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First to top 10: Nole or Muzza ?

ezekiel
02-26-2007, 01:56 AM
I don't have an option to create poll for some reason :mad: . British media is salivating at the prospects of Andy Murray storming into the top 10 and they always mention he is the favourite to do so out of all teens which is basically him and Nole at this point. British media have been making digs at Nole for a while including that ridiculous story about moving to GB yet they are always mentioned together . http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=A1YourView&xml=/sport/2007/02/24/sthodg24.xml
Nole is younger by a week and they are both poised to do it before their 20th birthday which may very well happen during IW and Miami where they have precious little to defend

cmurray
02-26-2007, 02:21 AM
I don't have an option to create poll for some reason :mad: . British media is salivating at the prospects of Andy Murray storming into the top 10 and they always mention he is the favourite to do so out of all teens which is basically him and Nole at this point. British media have been making digs at Nole for a while including that ridiculous story about moving to GB yet they are always mentioned together . http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=A1YourView&xml=/sport/2007/02/24/sthodg24.xml
Nole is younger by a week and they are both poised to do it before their 20th birthday which may very well happen during IW and Miami where they have precious little to defend

what about berdych? or is he not a teen anymore?

Shrinking Violet
02-26-2007, 02:48 AM
Berdych is 21, is he not?

It doesn't matter which one of Nole or Andy gets there first - they are both going there eventually and are probably going to stay there for a while. I think Andy has the better all round game and has better results against top players, although I think Nole is a more consistant player who won't have the fluctuations in form or suffer as many bad defeats. They are both incredibly talented and are legitimate top ten players.

It's hilarious people trying to build some bitter rivalry between them considering how uninterested they are in that. They are friends, they say nothing but good things about each other, they want each other to win and do well and then you come on here and you get people trying to build it as some be all, end all, fight to the death, I hate you and your entire blood-line, grrr rivalry. :lol:

Alonsofz
02-26-2007, 02:51 AM
Nole :rocker2:

CmonAussie
02-26-2007, 02:53 AM
#Both will be Top-#10 by the end of the year & into TMC... the who comes 1st will just be a matter of weeks/months!

Prediction:

*Nole will finish at #5

*Andy will finish at #8

jitterbug
02-26-2007, 06:12 AM
It's going to be a close one.. but Nole has more points to defend at Roland Garros.

Tom Paulman
02-26-2007, 08:00 AM
what about berdych?

He already was there ;)

Clara Bow
02-26-2007, 08:01 AM
Nole may get there first- but no offense to him (I like him well enough) but I think Murray is a great talent and will stay there longer.

Apemant
02-26-2007, 08:55 AM
Muzza has like 100 points to defend till the week before Wimby so I'd hve to pick him.

On the other hand, Nole is a really consistent guy, rarely gives really bad performances...

I guess it will depend on luck more than anything else. Who gets better draws from now on.

RonE
02-26-2007, 09:05 AM
Ole McNoleo had a farm

Fi fo fee, hi ho hum

:angel:

MariaV
02-26-2007, 09:06 AM
Muzza :D :rocker:

oz_boz
02-26-2007, 09:50 AM
Murray.

~Marija~
02-26-2007, 10:05 AM
Novak :)

Kolya
02-26-2007, 10:54 AM
Murray - The Tennis Tactician.

Fergie
02-26-2007, 12:29 PM
Murray

johnnylad
02-26-2007, 12:36 PM
As previously stated they are good mates.

They might enter top 10 at the same time! You never know!

RonE
02-26-2007, 01:40 PM
As previously stated they are good mates.

They might enter top 10 at the same time! You never know!

That avatar of yours :scared:

vincayou
02-26-2007, 02:04 PM
Given the amount of points they need, if one of them manage a semi in Indian wells or Miami, he will get there first. It depends on the draw of these events then.

Jogy
02-26-2007, 02:09 PM
Murry I hope, he has potential to hammer Federer like no other on fast courts

TennisOz
02-26-2007, 02:53 PM
Murray but who cares, as said, both will make it and soon and they are very good friends.

Oz

zicofirol
02-26-2007, 03:04 PM
murray has virtually no points to defend in clay season, so murray... and murray is better...

TennisOz
02-26-2007, 03:14 PM
murray has virtually no points to defend in clay season, so murray... and murray is better...

In my view, the main things which might hold Murray back from greatness are:

1 His serve - far too many first serves missed, particularly on vital points.
2 His overuse of the drop shot. Has anyone charted the % of points he loses when attempting same?
3 His physical strength.
4 His irrational outbursts at his coach.

I know Gilbert has been working on 1, 2 and 3 and Murray himself said in Memphis that he was trying to cut down on #4. He's certainly stronger now compared to last year, serve let him down at vital times against Roddick on Sat. Only time will tell - top 5 for sure, GS's and Masters titles?

Oz

JustmeUK
02-26-2007, 03:29 PM
Murray. I really don't rate Nole as highly. He doesn't really have the brain Murray has and I do think Murray has the more versatile game.

ezekiel
02-26-2007, 03:30 PM
It's going to be a close one.. but Nole has more points to defend at Roland Garros.

Nole has a whole lot of points to pick in masters and he can play on clay unlike Andy ;)

ezekiel
02-26-2007, 03:32 PM
Murray. I really don't rate Nole as highly. He doesn't really have the brain Murray has and I do think Murray has the more versatile game.

Andy doesn't have the weapons and game of Nole which was proven the one they met :rolleyes:

JustmeUK
02-26-2007, 03:33 PM
Nole has a whole lot of points to pick in masters and he can play on clay unlike Andy ;)

And what makes you think Andy can't play on clay? He learnt his craft at the Brugeira academy in Spain on (wait for it..) red clay :).

Andy doesn't have the weapons and game of Nole which was proven the one they met :rolleyes:

one match.. u're going to base your conclusion on one match? Murray can hit the ball hard off both wings. however be more often prefers to get the ball in the right place and make you supply your own pace.

ezekiel
02-26-2007, 03:33 PM
murray has virtually no points to defend in clay season, so murray... and murray is better...

Murray can't play on clay , too weak :rolleyes:

silverwhite
02-26-2007, 03:34 PM
They could both reach the Top 10 at the same time if they both do well at IW or Miami :shrug:

ezekiel
02-26-2007, 03:35 PM
And what makes you think Andy can't play on clay? He learnt his craft at the Brugeira academy in Spain on (wait for it..) red clay :).

He has no results on clay whatsoever , too weak

ezekiel
02-26-2007, 03:36 PM
They could both reach the Top 10 at the same time if they both do well at IW or Miami :shrug:

that's certainly the most likely conclusion :p

belco
02-26-2007, 03:39 PM
NOLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEe

ezekiel
02-26-2007, 03:40 PM
one match.. u're going to base your conclusion on one match? Murray can hit the ball hard off both wings. however be more often prefers to get the ball in the right place and make you supply your own pace.

It's one and all the matches, Nole has more weapons and is more offensive. Even in that match in Madrid it was all about Nole, making mistakes at first and then blowing Andy off the court
Obviously I am Nole fan first but I look out for competition and I like Andy player overall more than other contemporaries

Murraymaniac
02-26-2007, 04:09 PM
The reason Murray had such a shocking clay court season last year was partially down to bad fitness, and the split from his coach Mark Petchey. This time round, he will have more favourable draws, improved stamina and a stable relationship with Brad. I don't see him winning anything to be honest this time round, but he is going to pick up lots and lots of points.

So, in answer to the question - Murray, but both of them will be in the Top 10 by USO.

Saumon
02-26-2007, 04:38 PM
As previously stated they are good mates.

They might enter top 10 at the same time! You never know!

it'd be :rocker2:!

Muzza und Nole sitzen auf dem Baum... K-▄-S-S-E-N! :couple:


why is he called Muzza btw? :scratch:

ezekiel
02-26-2007, 04:43 PM
The reason Murray had such a shocking clay court season last year was partially down to bad fitness, and the split from his coach Mark Petchey. This time round, he will have more favourable draws, improved stamina and a stable relationship with Brad. I don't see him winning anything to be honest this time round, but he is going to pick up lots and lots of points.

So, in answer to the question - Murray, but both of them will be in the Top 10 by USO.

Andy still seems very thin and frail , he may grow into it because he has the game for clay but really needs to grow more without losing quickness

ezekiel
02-26-2007, 04:45 PM
it'd be :rocker2:!

Muzza und Nole sitzen auf dem Baum... K-▄-S-S-E-N! :couple:


why is he called Muzza btw? :scratch:

I guess Murray = Muzza :rolleyes:

alansk
02-26-2007, 04:47 PM
it'd be :rocker2:!

Muzza und Nole sitzen auf dem Baum... K-▄-S-S-E-N! :couple:


why is he called Muzza btw? :scratch:

Just British thing...

Berry -> Bezza
Terry -> Tezza
Murray -> Muzza

...

Skerrett -> Skezza ;)

Raquel
02-26-2007, 06:09 PM
British media is salivating at the prospects of Andy Murray storming into the top 10 and they always mention he is the favourite to do so out of all teens
They honestly don't. I've never read them once say Andy's favourite to be in the top ten ahead of Djokovic, never mind always saying it.

British media have been making digs at Nole for a while including that ridiculous story about moving to GB
They don't really make digs about Djokovic either. I mean if they have and they're online then I'll read it, but I haven't read them. As for the ridiculous story of Djokovic moving to GB, they didn't just pluck that out of thin air. His parents approached the LTA when Serbia played GB in Glasgow last year.

http://sport.independent.co.uk/tennis/article1153608.ece

While Djokovic keeps mum, his mother tells all over a Guinness
By Tim Glover at Wimbledon
Published: 02 July 2006

After Novak Djokovic had progressed smoothly and impressively to the fourth round it was announced on his behalf that he would be happy to talk about anything except the one subject everybody wanted to ask him about - British citizenship.

Earlier, while his mum, Dijana, was sipping a Guinness at a court-side bar, she hinted that Novak might just be tempted to play tennis under the Union flag rather than the flag of Serbia.

Mrs Djokovic might have been testing the water, but the bait was swallowed all the same. "I don't want to say yes and I don't want to say no," she said. "We are trying to find the best situation for our family. We want the best conditions for our boys to play tennis in because they are all so good. We have given 10 years of our life to helping Novak. Our federation does not have the money to help us so the family has to pay. Our federation is trying, but it's not enough. Great Britain is looking for heroes and it has the money to support the kids."

The ripples all this caused prompted a clearly embarrassed Novak to declare the matter off-limits, but it just wouldn't go away. "There is nothing serious between me and the Lawn Tennis Association," he repeated, as if denying an illicit relationship.

"Every day I say the same thing. I just want to focus on the tournament. It's my favourite and the most important."

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The rest of that article is at the link. His mother definitely approached the LTA. As for who reaches the top 10 first it doesn't really matter that much.

joeb_uk
02-26-2007, 07:32 PM
Murray


And yeah Muzza is a nickname for Murray, its commonly used everywhere.

ezekiel
02-26-2007, 07:36 PM
They honestly don't. I've never read them once say Andy's favourite to be in the top ten ahead of Djokovic, never mind always saying it.

I may have overstated it just by reading this article and others like it
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?xml=/sport/2007/02/24/sthodg24.xml


They don't really make digs about Djokovic either. I mean if they have and they're online then I'll read it, but I haven't read them. As for the ridiculous story of Djokovic moving to GB, they didn't just pluck that out of thin air. His parents approached the LTA when Serbia played GB in Glasgow last year.

http://sport.independent.co.uk/tennis/article1153608.ece




Nole debunked that myth long ago and his mother denied it which only means that they made it up as british media has a strong anti serbian bias and something to mess the mindset and a distraction for the rival of their home favourite

http://championships.wimbledon.org/en_GB/news/interviews/2006-06-30/200606301151683731515.html

Q. Even if he says there's no progress on it, we still need to hear that from him really.

NOVAK DJOKOVIC: Well, yeah, I just want to say the one and only thing if you want me to say, okay. I'll repeat it, but I have to say that I repeat it every day since Paris really. And I have to say that, uhm, for me, the worst thing is to actually talk about it because I really need to focus right now on the tournament because I am right now on the tournament which is one of my favorite one and most important one. Nothing serious is going on between me and LTA, uhm, the federation. That's it. I don't have anything to say because I was really confused when I saw the story about me coming to Britain, and when they said that it's just a matter of time for me to come there here, I was really surprised. It's no truth in this.

I♥PsY@Mus!c
02-26-2007, 07:36 PM
Muzza,and he deserves to be there first he has impressing resutls against top players.

Raquel
02-26-2007, 08:08 PM
I may have overstated it just by reading this article and others like it
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/mai...4/sthodg24.xml
That's not the British media saying Andy will get to the top 10 before the other young players, it's John McEnroe. They're his words.




british media has a strong anti serbian bias



Seriously, Djokovic never got much mention in the press here at all until he played Davis Cup here. And the only real time he gets listed more than a result is if he plays Roger, Tim or Murray.

jazar
02-26-2007, 08:38 PM
i would rather it be nole, but unfortunately i think it will be murray as he has virtually no points to defend at IW and Miami

Merton
02-26-2007, 09:08 PM
It is neither important nor interesting who will make it first to the top-10. Who will get be first to make a slam semifinal?

Shrinking Violet
02-26-2007, 09:24 PM
It is neither important nor interesting who will make it first to the top-10. Who will get be first to make a slam semifinal?

Nole. I just think that his game is more consistant. Murray tends to follow up an unbelievable match with a really bad match at the moment. I feel that Andy is more likely to beat the top guys, but that Nole is more likely to beat the guys he should beat so I give him the edge in terms of Slam performances at the moment. There just isn't as much that can go wrong with his game. With Murray it's all touch and technique and when that's off at the moment, he doesn't really have the serve that can buy him out of trouble to help him ease into form during a long match.

kindablue
02-26-2007, 09:34 PM
i would rather it be nole, but unfortunately i think it will be murray as he has virtually no points to defend at IW and Miami

Exactly my thaughts :yeah:

Peoples
02-26-2007, 10:08 PM
This "Nole" is rubbish.

scoobs
02-26-2007, 10:29 PM
Who cares? I think they'll both get there and they'll both probably be there for a while.

ezekiel
02-26-2007, 11:22 PM
i would rather it be nole, but unfortunately i think it will be murray as he has virtually no points to defend at IW and Miami

Nole has no points to defend in IW , 2nd round in Miami, no points in Monte Carlo, No Points in Rome, 2nd round in Hamburg so he has a clean slate till RG :wavey:

johnnylad
02-27-2007, 02:53 PM
What do the Serbian media write about Murray?

Jaap
02-27-2007, 03:11 PM
LOL, do you really think the British media care about Djokovic? They barely care about Murray let alone a Serbian.

ezekiel
03-26-2007, 04:13 PM
Nole is the winner :banana: :rocker:

ezekiel
03-26-2007, 04:16 PM
What do the Serbian media write about Murray?

they are rivals for now and future

Grofica
03-26-2007, 04:59 PM
What do the Serbian media write about Murray?

acctually nothing :) the Serbian media refers to him as promising youngster and great Novak's friend, but they don't insist on theire rivalry :)

uglyamerican
03-26-2007, 05:02 PM
Murray needs at least a SF this week to crack the top 10.

It's possible.

If he doesn't make it this tournament, it could soon be Blake at #10 who Murray is chasing.

stebs
03-26-2007, 06:34 PM
Murray needs at least a SF this week to crack the top 10.

It's possible.

If he doesn't make it this tournament, it could soon be Blake at #10 who Murray is chasing.

Murray will certainly be seeded top 10 by the time Wimbledon comes around and quite probably for Roland Garros too.

R.Federer
03-26-2007, 07:33 PM
Murray will certainly be seeded top 10 by the time Wimbledon comes around and quite probably for Roland Garros too.

He doesn't have stellar results on grass and Wimbledon doesn't follow the usual seedings, so I don't know if he will necessarily have a high seeding there.

Merton
03-26-2007, 08:36 PM
This is a small step for Nole but a giant leap for ezekiel's expectations.

zicofirol
03-26-2007, 08:50 PM
He doesn't have stellar results on grass and Wimbledon doesn't follow the usual seedings, so I don't know if he will necessarily have a high seeding there.

he beat 2 time finalist Roddick, and got to the 4th round going down to SF Baghdatis, 3rd round the year before going down in 5 to Nalbandian...
plus he has had good results in the warmup events...
He deserves I highers seed than boredo, blake and lubijic, and davydenko...

Saumon
03-26-2007, 08:51 PM
Nole won the Most Improved Player of 2006 award :p

scoobs
03-26-2007, 08:57 PM
Nole won the Most Improved Player of 2006 award :p
Fair call - won more titles, just ahead in the rankings. Better slam result.

mashamaniac
03-26-2007, 09:11 PM
nole for sure!:worship:

uglyamerican
03-28-2007, 07:42 PM
Looking ahead for Murray...

Haas and Blake haven't played in Monte Carlo recently, so even 1 win at that tournament might put Murray in the top 10 club.

uglyamerican
03-28-2007, 08:06 PM
He doesn't have stellar results on grass and Wimbledon doesn't follow the usual seedings, so I don't know if he will necessarily have a high seeding there.

This is not quite true. I'm not done crunching the numbers, but it looks like Murray's seeding will be adjusted UP from his ranking.