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Current best first serve in the game

Matchu
02-24-2007, 09:11 PM
My vote is Chris Guccione he doesn't hit it as hard as Roddick (although he does hit it very hard) but he has such good accuracy and skill on the first serve and because he is a left hander he is able to hit swingers on the left side to a right handers backhand which most right handers are not used to having being hit also the speed he hits it at, makes it almost impossible to return. Guccione hits a lot of Aces and holds the third most aces in a match record I beleive.

If you are going to say Roddick is better look at his first serve's recently he isnt hitting them as hard and is not getting as much aces. Definetly Guccione currently has a better first serve than Roddick.

any others you guys can think of or do you agree with me?

RickDaStick
02-24-2007, 09:14 PM
Roddick isnt even in the top 10 when it comes to 1st serve points won. He is under 80%. #1 is Karlovic at 86% and # 2 Ljubicic at 83%. Ljubo might overttake karlovic because he been winning a high percent of 1st serve points this week.

Horatio Caine
02-24-2007, 09:15 PM
If you're talking about effectiveness when it goes in, Karlovic without a doubt. Incredible serve!! :eek:

RickDaStick
02-24-2007, 09:19 PM
If you're talking about effectiveness when it goes in, Karlovic without a doubt. Incredible serve!! :eek:


definately agree there. When Karlo gets that 1st serve in, point over. If he had any kind of ground game, his 1st serve pts won would be nearly 100% every match.

El Legenda
02-24-2007, 09:19 PM
77 aces in 4 matches for Ivan this week :)

gusman890
02-24-2007, 09:19 PM
Roddick is holding back to get more in.

Thats why he isnt leading the Ace's catagory anymore :(

kobulingam
02-24-2007, 09:20 PM
I would take Federer's first serve (if I had his forehand).

His first serve takes very little energy from him, and is very soft on the body, and it's very accurate. It's better for him to hit a second shot ace (forehand winner off short reply) than waste energy to try and hit first shot aces (what is counted as an ace).

BTW, Federer leads the ATP (last couple of years) in aces (if you count second shot aces too :D ).

Neways, the point I'm trying to make is it's better to have a serve that is soft on the body and doesn't take much effort. So for the kids out there, work on your serving form and accuracy. Get a consistent ball toss, and have good variety on your serve. Then back it up with a great forehand (give this more attention than your serve). And learn to his second shot aces... that is, learn to put away short replies.

RickDaStick
02-24-2007, 09:21 PM
Roddick is holding back to get more in.

Thats why he isnt leading the Ace's catagory anymore :(

No excuses son.

marcRD
02-24-2007, 09:26 PM
I would go with Federer for the most beautiful serve on the tour (like everything else he does on a tennis court).

The best is Karlovic obviously, his serve is the greatest single weapon I have ever seen in tennis. Imagine if Federer had his serve (without taking into account that you have to be 2.10 meters to serve like that). I am sure Federer would not lose a single match all year, not even on clay.

Apemant
02-24-2007, 09:34 PM
I would go with Federer for the most beautiful serve on the tour (like everything else he does on a tennis court).

The best is Karlovic obviously, his serve is the greatest single weapon I have ever seen in tennis. Imagine if Federer had his serve (without taking into account that you have to be 2.10 meters to serve like that). I am sure Federer would not lose a single match all year, not even on clay.

Yep, his serve is really crazy... mostly because of those angles he can create with it. And it's pretty fast too.

But, I don't think he can catch Ivanisevic in the department of most pts. won exclusively because of the 1st serve :devil:

Goran was the greatest ace-machine in the history of tennis :cool:

Peoples
02-24-2007, 10:09 PM
Karlo

zicofirol
02-24-2007, 10:13 PM
volandri

marcRD
02-24-2007, 10:14 PM
Yep, his serve is really crazy... mostly because of those angles he can create with it. And it's pretty fast too.

But, I don't think he can catch Ivanisevic in the department of most pts. won exclusively because of the 1st serve :devil:

Goran was the greatest ace-machine in the history of tennis :cool:

Karlovic has past Goran, atleast Goran was quite good at playing tennis too and didnt rely only on his serve. Karlovic survives only with his crazy serve, 10 aes per set is pretty much avarage for him which is crazy.

nobama
02-24-2007, 10:19 PM
Roddick isnt even in the top 10 when it comes to 1st serve points won. He is under 80%. #1 is Karlovic at 86% and # 2 Ljubicic at 83%. Ljubo might overttake karlovic because he been winning a high percent of 1st serve points this week.
I think it's too early in the year for the stats to mean anything.

t0x
02-24-2007, 10:20 PM
Karlo by far... it's just a shame he doesn't back it up with a good return game.

nanoman
02-24-2007, 10:24 PM
Karlovic, there is no debate.

Sark
02-24-2007, 10:26 PM
Roger

I don't think it's all about aces. Sure it gives you a lot of free points when you hit a lot of aces but serve is also about variability, constancy and preparation for the next point imo.

ChinoRios4Ever
02-25-2007, 02:29 AM
fed...

Jimnik
02-25-2007, 03:02 AM
In the 90s, there were so many consistently good 1st serves. Sampras, Ivanisevic, Becker and Krajicek were always hitting the lines on their first delivery and scoring a lot more aces (clean winners not just unreturnables). These were the players that went into matches expecting to win pretty much every first service point without having to hit anything more than a smash or easy volley.

Amongst the current generation, Karlovic is the only one that fits into that category. He genuinely expects to win most first serves outright without playing a 2nd shot. Whereas Roddick, Ljubicic and Ancic mainly use their serves to set-up the point.

On a good day, Federer and Safin can hit the lines better than most big servers but very rarely.

Apemant
02-25-2007, 03:06 AM
Karlovic has past Goran, atleast Goran was quite good at playing tennis too and didnt rely only on his serve. Karlovic survives only with his crazy serve, 10 aes per set is pretty much avarage for him which is crazy.

Umm, I meant the stuff like the total number of aces in the career, the most number of aces in a year, most matches with more than X aces served, stuff like that.
Of course that Karlo's serve is even more devastating, but he's 28 already.

Shrinking Violet
02-25-2007, 03:12 AM
Karlo by far... it's just a shame he doesn't back it up with a good return game.

He wouldn't even need a good return game, an average return game combined with that serve would be pretty unstoppable.

silverarrows
02-25-2007, 05:16 AM
Fed - very effective

Boris Franz Ecker
02-25-2007, 11:21 AM
Ljubicic has an excellent first serve, one of the greatest in history
His second serve is mediocre.

Burrow
02-25-2007, 11:33 AM
Ivo Karlovic and Roger Federer.

Loremaster
02-25-2007, 11:33 AM
Aces Aces blee blee blee Aces are not everything about first serve

Sorry but serve is not about aces , when you look at Roddick's serve it is not about aces more about direct points from serve, if there was stat refering to direct points from serve(Aces + unreturned serves) Roddick would be first for sure.

CmonAussie
02-25-2007, 11:41 AM
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Obviously Federer`@@`, unlike 1st strike servers such as Karlovic~ Federer`s serve sets him up for easy 2nd strike shots [as others have mentioned], also he has more variety in terms of speed, placement & spin than any of the other pure serving machines!!

As good as Federer`s technique is you would have to say that Sampras`s serve [1st & 2nd] was better.
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However Fed has a lot more weapons than Sampras overall.

Anyway Sampras`s serve was probably the best in history!!

Loremaster
02-25-2007, 11:59 AM
Ljubicic has an excellent first serve, one of the greatest in history
His second serve is mediocre.

yeah sure :haha:
in 10-15 years noone will remember Ljubo serve, Roddick serve will be remembered as Tunner, Sampras, Ivanisevic serves

Apemant
02-25-2007, 12:02 PM
Aces Aces blee blee blee Aces are not everything about first serve

Sorry but serve is not about aces , when you look at Roddick's serve it is not about aces more about direct points from serve, if there was stat refering to direct points from serve(Aces + unreturned serves) Roddick would be first for sure.

No, he would be behind Karlo, PimPim, Gooch and even Ljubo.
% of points won on 1st serve is a good indicator of the number of free points on serve (aces+unreturnables). And Ljubo, for example, has higher % in that department. Now if you are going to deny it, and say that A-Rod makes more free points on serve even though he has less % of points won on 1st serve, then what you are basically saying is that Ljubo has more game on top of that serve. Do you understand the simple logic behind this conclusion?

Since I don't believe you would actually go and admit that Ljubo has a better game to back up his serve than A-Rod does, then you have no alternative but to admit that Ljubo's 1st serve, in fact, earns him more free points (aces+unreturnables) i.e. that his 1st serve is actually better. This is undisputable given the rock solid evidence of % of points won on that 1st serve. It's already 83% vs 78% in Ljubo's favour this year, and this week so far:

Ljubo: 163/185 1st serves won = 88%
A-Rod: 137/173 1st serves won = 79%

Sorry if this ruins your day, pal. :devil:
But actually, since I don't think pure logic and math concern you all that much, you may continue living in your fantasy world where Roddick's serve is the best on tour; it's prefectly fine by me.

nobama
02-25-2007, 12:04 PM
yeah sure :haha:
in 10-15 years noone will remember Ljubo serve, Roddick serve will be remembered as Tunner, Sampras, Ivanisevic servesYou're comparing Roddick's serve with Samrpas? :unsure:

Apemant
02-25-2007, 12:04 PM
yeah sure :haha:
in 10-15 years noone will remember Ljubo serve, Roddick serve will be remembered as Tunner, Sampras, Ivanisevic serves

Yeah, it will be remembered more, because of its amazing speed (250 kph) and because he won much more with that serve than Ljubo.

But of course, this in no way constitutes a solid argument that Roddick's 1st serve is really better than Ljubo's. The facts don't depend on opinions and polls and people's memories.

Loremaster
02-25-2007, 12:11 PM
You're comparing Roddick's serve with Samrpas? :unsure:

yeah why not ??
Roddick serve is as great as Sampras for me, Sampras was just more complete player and mental monster he was able to hit 5 aces in row to win game form 0-40, what is more Sampras palyed in era were surfaces were faster even grass played faster so I don't know why such comaprison is bad?? :rolleyes:
Rodddick serve is not worse than Sampras, Sampras had brilliant FH, fantastic volley and he perfected S&V game

Apemant you are out of logic here
if he won more with that serve than Ljubo he has better serve (of course if you where refering only to serve - but we talk about serve)
1st % won after 3 tournaments played is nothing , also Ljubo played more tournaments on faster surfaces + DC on fast surface so it is not the best example anyway

nobama
02-25-2007, 12:13 PM
yeah why not ??
Roddick serve is as great as Sampras for me, Sampras was just more complete player and mental monster he was able to hit 5 aces in row to win game form 0-40, what is more Sampras palyed in era were surfaces were faster even grass played faster so I don't know why such comaprison is bad?? :rolleyes:Roddick may serve faster than Sampras but I don't think he places it as well and I think guys have an easier time reading his serve.

Loremaster
02-25-2007, 12:40 PM
Roddick may serve faster than Sampras but I don't think he places it as well and I think guys have an easier time reading his serve.

I think it is hard to compare, because they played theri best in different eras, I think that for exampel Hewitt easier read Sampras serve than Roddick, also speed of surfaces was different I only claim that they both have great serves but it is hard to say whose is better.

Apemant
02-25-2007, 12:46 PM
Apemant you are out of logic here
if he won more with that serve than Ljubo he has better serve (of course if you where refering only to serve - but we talk about serve)

He won much more because he has a forehand to begin with, and is more consistent, and moves better, and was/is more mentally tough.

So your 'logic' is as if someone claimed Andre had better serve than Goran because he won more. Geez.

keqtqiadv
02-25-2007, 12:49 PM
Di Mauro

stebs
02-25-2007, 01:05 PM
Obviously Karlovic. It's not even close.

joeb_uk
02-25-2007, 01:17 PM
Karlovic :yeah:

Loremaster
02-25-2007, 01:21 PM
no it is "Big Bald Head No Heart" he was broken three times today and hsi serve will really take him to RG title this year

Rogiman
02-25-2007, 01:23 PM
The best is Karlovic obviously, his serve is the greatest single weapon I have ever seen in tennis. Imagine if Federer had his serve (without taking into account that you have to be 2.10 meters to serve like that). I am sure Federer would not lose a single match all year, not even on clay.Word.

I can't believe this is not obvious to everyone yet, Karlovic's serve is in a league of its own.

RickDaStick
02-25-2007, 01:23 PM
no it is "Big Bald Head No Hear" he was broken three times today and hsi serve will really take him to RG title this year

Big Bald Head no Hear? Are you 7 years old or something?

Loremaster
02-25-2007, 01:27 PM
Big Bald Head no Hear? Are you 7 years old or something?

no I'am 1 year old child who is still smarter than Ljubo-Joke

RickDaStick
02-25-2007, 01:29 PM
no I'am 1 year old child who is still smarter than Ljubo-Joke

Right because Ljubo speaks 4 languages while you are struggling with one.

Loremaster
02-25-2007, 01:32 PM
Right because Ljubo speaks 4 languages while you are struggling with one.

:haha: how you know how many languages I speak :haha: you are seer or something so maybe you could tell us who will kick Ljubo butt in 1st round of next Slam

RickDaStick
02-25-2007, 01:35 PM
:haha: how you know how many languages I speak :haha: you are seer or something so maybe you could tell us who will kick Ljubo butt in 1st round of next Slam


I think that one is self-explanatory fanboy

Loremaster
02-25-2007, 01:38 PM
I think that one is self-explanatory fanboy

yeah sure + the fact that speaking many languages have nothing to do with inteligence in Ljubo's case.
So could you tell who will be next to kick Mr.Invisible butt?? in GS

Apemant
02-25-2007, 04:55 PM
yeah sure + the fact that speaking many languages have nothing to do with inteligence in Ljubo's case.
So could you tell who will be next to kick Mr.Invisible butt?? in GS

Ljubo is in fact a rather intelligent fellow, trust me on that.

Next one to beat him in a GS - I guess some random Spaniard or Argie in RG. You know, sometimes I envy you Ljubo haters, he gives you food for gloating so friggin' often. Lucky you. :devil:

sondraj06
02-25-2007, 05:00 PM
omg ivan can I steal your avie

oz_boz
02-26-2007, 09:39 AM
Karlovic, noone else is close. Ivo's 1st serve is arguably the best ever, at least he has the best aces per match ratio over a year if I remember correctly.

Kolya
02-26-2007, 09:56 AM
Federer - Gets it in when it really matters.

johnnylad
02-26-2007, 10:57 AM
soon it will be Bozoljac! :lol:

nanoman
02-26-2007, 11:00 AM
Federer - Gets it in when it really matters.

Any statistics to back this up ? Like 1st serve percentage on breakpoints/setpoints/matchpoints against ? Or just rose tinted memories ?