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Buenos Aires Challenger Final: Juan Monaco vs Alessio Di Mauro

Andre♥
02-24-2007, 06:09 PM
Who will win this great final?

And I used to make fun of Estoril's entry list. At least the final last year was Nalbandian vs Davydenko...

Jaap
02-24-2007, 06:14 PM
As there ever been a worst atp final than this?

ufokart
02-24-2007, 06:19 PM
As there ever been a worst atp final than this?

Newport 2001 final comes to mind :rolls:

Andre♥
02-24-2007, 06:20 PM
As there ever been a worst atp final than this?

Try Casablanca.

2006: Nicolas Massu vs Daniele Bracciali
2005: Mariano Puerta vs Juan Monaco
2004: Santiago Ventura vs Dominik Hrbaty
2003: Julien Bouter vs Younes El Aynaoui
2002: Younes El Aynaoui vs Guillermo Canas
2001: Guillermo Canas vs Tommy Robredo
2000: Fernando Vicente vs Sebastien Grosjean

Or Newport!

2006: Mark Philippoussis vs Justin Gimelstob
2005: Greg Rusedski vs Vince Spadea
2004: Greg Rusedski vs Alexander Popp
2003: Robby Ginepri vs Jurgen Melzer
2002: Tylor Dent vs James Blake
2001: Neville Godwin vs Martin Lee (Best ATP final ever!!!)
2000: Peter Wessels vs Jens Knippschild (Runner-Up!!!)

:worship: :worship: :worship:

krakenzero
02-24-2007, 06:22 PM
I remember Orlando 2000, when González (who was nearly 350º and passed through the qualy to be there) defeated Massú (not even top 100) to win the title. I think Orlando lost the ATP category next year... but BA 2007 final is not so far away...:eek:

maria87
02-24-2007, 06:25 PM
Very true! It has been a bad tournament there this year. As for Di Mauro and Monaco - no disrespect, but I don't know who will win, and I really don't care!!!

i don't think the tournament was so bad eventhough the big names felt down, I saw very good matches this weeK: Horna and Cañas played very good powerful clay tennis as well as Almagro and Monaco. DiMauro was a surprise, i don't think you could call Monaco as challenge player.

marcelwks
02-24-2007, 06:25 PM
Monaco is ok but Di Mauro :scared:

Di Mauro this season

7/2007 ATP Costa do Sauipe (BRA)
Flavio Saretta Alessio di Mauro 6-1 6-2 First

5/2007 ATP Vina del Mar (CHI)
Ricardo Mello Alessio di Mauro 6-0 6-4 Robin
Luis Horna Alessio di Mauro 6-1 6-2 Robin

3/2007 ATP Australian Open (AUS)
Juan-Martin Del Potro Alessio di Mauro 6-3 6-3 6-1 First

:bolt:

and here he defeated players like Berlocq , Montanes and Hartfield :rolleyes: when Monaco defeated Moya , Horna or Almagro .

I think Monaco in two .

Andre♥
02-24-2007, 06:25 PM
Newport 2001: Neville Godwin vs Martin Lee
Newport 2000: Peter Wessels vs Jens Knippschild

Beat this if you can...

maria87
02-24-2007, 06:27 PM
Monaco is ok but Di Mauro :scared:
I think Monaco in two .

Even Di Mauro was unexpected finalist he did play well, things like that happens even in the Slams finals

jazar
02-24-2007, 06:29 PM
i think this has to be either the worst or second worst final ever. how the hell did di mauro get there? did he bride his opponents? put something in their water?

Alonsofz
02-24-2007, 06:29 PM
Vamos Di Mauro 2-1! :D

ufokart
02-24-2007, 06:33 PM
Newport had some hilarious finals as Sylvester pointed out :lol: :lol:

2006: Philippoussis (Ranked 214) VS Gimelstob (ranked 111)
2004: Rusedski (166) VS Popp (111)
2003: Ginepri (54) VS Melzer (96)
2001: Godwin (167) VS Lee (130)
2000: Wessels (133) VS Knippschild (150)

BATES
02-24-2007, 06:33 PM
Monaco has been playing great tennis (defeated Moya, Horna and Almagro). He'll win in 2 sets.

lau
02-24-2007, 06:33 PM
Vamos Pico! :bounce: You better take this one or I´ll be reeeeally mad :lol:

And lets all thank Mr Disney and Jaite for this wonderful tournament :worship:

maria87
02-24-2007, 06:34 PM
Monaco
HIGHLIGHTS 2007
Singles
ATP & Grand Slam QF: Auckland, Costa Do Sauipe
Doubles
ATP & Grand Slam SF: Costa Do Sauipe(w/Calleri)

he is 66 in the Ranking, he is not a challenger player i think

maria87
02-24-2007, 06:35 PM
Vamos Pico! :bounce: You better take this one or I´ll be reeeeally mad :lol:

And lets all thank Mr Disney and Jaite for this wonderful tournament :worship:

of course, it was a good clay tournament.

Did you see the matches?

guilleakd
02-24-2007, 06:40 PM
but there were very good players as nalbandian, ferrero, moya, acasuso but they lost... monaco is playing very well and di mauro...well good draw for him because the round robin favorate him in his group was gaudio (retired) and in 1/4 final the seed was calleri...
we had good finals...2004 and 2003 was coria-moya 2 top10 these years...guga was in 2001 final and gaudio(after win RG)-puerta (before win RG)was 2005 final

Fergie
02-24-2007, 06:44 PM
Monaco in 2 ... Please :scared:

guilleakd
02-24-2007, 06:51 PM
monaco very easily

keqtqiadv
02-24-2007, 06:52 PM
Di Mauro :haha:

*Viva Chile*
02-24-2007, 06:53 PM
If Monaco don't win this time his first ATP title, this will be really shame

LocoPorElTenis
02-24-2007, 07:12 PM
Pico in 2 unless he megachokes :scared:

maria87
02-24-2007, 08:52 PM
but there were very good players as nalbandian, ferrero, moya, acasuso but they lost... monaco is playing very well and di mauro...well good draw for him because the round robin favorate him in his group was gaudio (retired) and in 1/4 final the seed was calleri...
we had good finals...2004 and 2003 was coria-moya 2 top10 these years...guga was in 2001 final and gaudio(after win RG)-puerta (before win RG)was 2005 final

of course, the problem is people just think with the Ranking...did you see the matches? there were good clay matches out there: as i said before Horna, Cañas, Almagro and Monaco played really well. I heard from so many players in the top ten that all the first 100 players are very good players these days. So why being so no-respectful with Monaco? :eek: Maybe he will have here a fresh start, he is still young.

maria87
02-24-2007, 08:54 PM
If Monaco don't win this time his first ATP title, this will be really shame

:yeah:

superandy88
02-24-2007, 09:15 PM
I hope Dima, but Monaco is in a really good shape at the moment... so I think the argentinian will win this one.
What a chance for both players to win their first atp tournament!

LK_22
02-24-2007, 09:31 PM
Or Newport!

2001: Neville Godwin vs Martin Lee (Best ATP final ever!!!)
2000: Peter Wessels vs Jens Knippschild (Runner-Up!!!)

:worship: :worship: :worship:

As there ever been a worst atp final than this?

Not on clay :p

ChinoRios4Ever
02-24-2007, 09:37 PM
pico in 2

Peoples
02-24-2007, 10:06 PM
Yawn

Komodo
02-24-2007, 10:16 PM
I think it is really disrespectful to call this a bad tournament when great players like Canas, Nalbandian, Ferrero, Moya, Horna etc. participated and simply have lost on the way.
A bad final can't merely be defined by the way the finalists are ranked, but you have to also look at who they have beaten and who was in the tournament from the start.

In this case, I think Monaco is just having a great week, while Di Mauro has totally lucked out in the development of his draw, where he didn't have to beat anyone really good to get to the final.

Peoples
02-24-2007, 10:20 PM
I think it is really disrespectful to call this a bad tournament when great players like Canas, Nalbandian, Ferrero, Moya, Horna etc. participated and simply have lost on the way.
A bad final can't merely be defined by the way the finalists are ranked, but you have to also look at who they have beaten and who was in the tournament from the start.

In this case, I think Monaco is just having a great week, while Di Mauro has totally lucked out in the development of his draw, where he didn't have to beat anyone really good to get to the final.

Canas..great player? :haha:
Nalbandian wasn't motivated by this kind of tournament
Ferrero and Moya are past it

Galathea
02-24-2007, 10:43 PM
I think it is really disrespectful to call this a bad tournament when great players like Canas, Nalbandian, Ferrero, Moya, Horna etc. participated and simply have lost on the way.
A bad final can't merely be defined by the way the finalists are ranked, but you have to also look at who they have beaten and who was in the tournament from the start.

In this case, I think Monaco is just having a great week, while Di Mauro has totally lucked out in the development of his draw, where he didn't have to beat anyone really good to get to the final.

In part you're right. Those players lost. But we have Horna, Cañas and Nalbandian in the same group. The tv people was trying to figure it out how a normal draw with the classic format (not RR) could have worked. And there was no way Nalbo-Cañas or Nalbandian-Horna for a first round (or even second) that's for sure, and maybe (because Willy's ranking) a Horna-Cañas at first round.
And let's not mentioning that Ferrero was out before playing because Lapenti got injured (he was really injured not like others)
The other players that went out because they left aducing injuries (:rolleyes: ) after losing a match, because they didn't want to play after losing a match (to the point of Nalbandian being awarded yesterday as the best sportman of the tournament becuase he was the only one showing respect for the public, playing like he still had a change when he was out)... All that? cheapen the tournament.
If Pico wins tomorrow, even if he deserves it (after all he got the worst zone of the draw) it's going to be remembered as a joke because the whole RR and the unproffesional way some players behave.
This tournament ended as a joke because the RR. :sad:

Klaas_nalbandian
02-24-2007, 11:29 PM
juan in my opinion has to win this

guilleakd
02-24-2007, 11:48 PM
monaco is a very good player... remember me when he win roland garros this year

PoderShileno
02-25-2007, 12:12 AM
di mauro will win

shotgun
02-25-2007, 01:55 AM
Vamos Pico :yeah: There was a big difference between the two semifinals today in terms of the quality of tennis displayed.

guilleakd
02-25-2007, 02:11 AM
Vamos Pico :yeah: There was a big difference between the two semifinals today in terms of the quality of tennis displayed.

of course almagro-monaco was a final because the two are better than hartfield o di mauro

keqtqiadv
02-25-2007, 02:14 AM
Di Mauro 6/0 6/1

Corey Feldman
02-25-2007, 02:34 AM
2001: Neville Godwin vs Martin Lee (Best ATP final ever!!!)
2000: Peter Wessels vs Jens Knippschild (Runner-Up!!!):haha:

Leander Paes even won the singles there :)

LocoPorElTenis
02-25-2007, 03:32 AM
In part you're right. Those players lost. But we have Horna, Cañas and Nalbandian in the same group. The tv people was trying to figure it out how a normal draw with the classic format (not RR) could have worked. And there was no way Nalbo-Cañas or Nalbandian-Horna for a first round (or even second) that's for sure, and maybe (because Willy's ranking) a Horna-Cañas at first round.


That is not correct. RR or not RR, the seedings are the same - 8 seeds in a 32men draw. All you know is that seeds won't play each other until the third round. However, only Nalbandian was seeded out of this three. So Nalbandian-Horna, Nalbandian-Cañas and Cañas-Horna were all possible first round and second round matches.

This was just a case of very bad luck. Lucho and Willy deserved to be seeded because of their recent performance, but their rankings at the time of seeding cut weren't hight enough. It was a proverbial coincidence that they ended in the same group with Nalbo.

RR sucks, but not because of this.

Action Jackson
02-25-2007, 06:18 AM
Newport has had great finals, the 2001 one which will be hard to top.

Monaco has defeated some decent players Moya, Horna, Almagro and if di Mauro wins then is the "great joke" of 2007.

Generator
02-25-2007, 12:10 PM
Canas..great player? :haha:


Like it or not, Cañas has won bigger tournaments than the star of all your homoerotic fantasies, Fernando Gonzalez.

Oh well.

Horatio Caine
02-25-2007, 12:13 PM
Newport has had great finals, the 2001 one which will be hard to top.

:mad: Martin Lee is :cool:

virex
02-25-2007, 01:05 PM
monaco, for the sake of tennis!

Julio1974
02-25-2007, 01:43 PM
Like it or not, Cañas has won bigger tournaments than the star of all your homoerotic fantasies, Fernando Gonzalez.

Oh well.

:haha: :haha:

For the people who are not happy with this year's tournament, I must say i disagree (at least,partially). Cañas-Nalbandian was a hell of a match, and Cañas-Horna was entertaining too. And Monaco has beaten exprienced clay-tennis players to reach the final (Moya, Almagro, and Horna who won in Viña). The other side of the draw was quite bad, that's undeniable.

Clara Bow
02-25-2007, 02:14 PM
:haha: :haha:

For the people who are not happy with this year's tournament, I must say i disagree (at least,partially). Cañas-Nalbandian was a hell of a match, and Cañas-Horna was entertaining too. And Monaco has beaten exprienced clay-tennis players to reach the final (Moya, Almagro, and Horna who won in Viña). The side of the draw was quite bad, that's undeniable.

There were two very uneven sides. I had the first semi on while I was cleaning house and didn't really pay any attention to it. But I sat down and watched the Almagro/Monaco semi. It was just higher quality and much more entertaining.

Galathea
02-25-2007, 02:35 PM
That is not correct. RR or not RR, the seedings are the same - 8 seeds in a 32men draw. All you know is that seeds won't play each other until the third round. However, only Nalbandian was seeded out of this three. So Nalbandian-Horna, Nalbandian-Cañas and Cañas-Horna were all possible first round and second round matches.

This was just a case of very bad luck. Lucho and Willy deserved to be seeded because of their recent performance, but their rankings at the time of seeding cut weren't hight enough. It was a proverbial coincidence that they ended in the same group with Nalbo.

RR sucks, but not because of this.

I thought like you, a total bad luck, however when the TV made the "normal draw" they explained why (I was at phone and my sis, well, let's say she's not the brightest mind.. I only heard the draw not the explanation... if someone heard please post it). And from comments from the press they arrived at the same draw than the tv.
Bad luck or not, RR or not, the players lost...
I think this is the last time they call Acasuso to pick the balls with the names :lol:

almouchie
02-25-2007, 02:44 PM
a lot of responses to very unlikely final
how will join the first timers club
can someoen revive that thread

superhoops
02-25-2007, 03:40 PM
Martin lee made an ATP Final :eek: Fair play to him he did something in his tennis life then.

casabe
02-25-2007, 04:41 PM
Canas..great player? :haha:

Are we talking about the same Canas? the one I know won a TMS and was a top ten, I think that is what great players do

Jaap
02-25-2007, 04:48 PM
Canas wasn't and never will be a great player.

lau
02-25-2007, 05:07 PM
For the people who are not happy with this year's tournament, I must say i disagree (at least,partially). Cañas-Nalbandian was a hell of a match, and Cañas-Horna was entertaining too. And Monaco has beaten exprienced clay-tennis players to reach the final (Moya, Almagro, and Horna who won in Viña). The other side of the draw was quite bad, that's undeniable.

The draw (rr I mean) made of this tournament a disaster. I´m sure there were some great matches, but that doesn´t take away what happened to the tournament.

Tom Paulman
02-25-2007, 05:28 PM
Canas wasn't and never will be a great player.

...and that's why he went from unranked in September to Top 60 in February, won 1 ATP title and defeated Ferrero and Nalbandian in last 7 days :)