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Nadal v Baghdatis - Dubai rd1. Who wins?

SLICK
02-24-2007, 11:53 AM
Defending champ Rafael Nadal will face off with Marcos Baghdatis in round 1.
Tough draw for Rafa as he will probably face Berdych in the qf!

Byrd
02-24-2007, 12:00 PM
can you post the draw, it hasnt been posted yet I don't think.

p.s Nadal might be heading out 1st round.

MrJ
02-24-2007, 12:00 PM
Can you post the draw? :)

adee-gee
02-24-2007, 12:01 PM
:help:

Action Jackson
02-24-2007, 12:01 PM
Time for the draw to be posted.

Horatio Caine
02-24-2007, 12:06 PM
OMG :eek:

Nadal should win it...he struggles more against power players whilst Baggy struggles most against the retrievers who like to construct the point.

SLICK
02-24-2007, 12:21 PM
Ok, due to popular demand here it is:-
R Federer (1) v Pless
QF v Braccialli
QF v QF
Vlligen v Djokovic (7)

Davydenko (3) v QF
Lee v O Rochus
Serra v Bjorkman
Stepanek(wc) v Haas(5)

Ferrer (8) v Soderling
Bahrouzyan (wc) v Hrbaty
Kohlschreiber v Simon
Santoro v Robredo (4)

Berdych (6) v Al Ghareeb (wc)
Youzhny v Nieminen
Andreev v Gicquel
Baghdatis v Nadal (2)

krystlel
02-24-2007, 12:27 PM
What a draw for Nadal. :eek: Baghdatis, Andreev (possibly) in the second round, Youzhny or Berdych in QF.

Stepanek v Haas and Ferrer v Soderling are also tough 1st round match-ups.

Deathless Mortal
02-24-2007, 12:28 PM
Nadal will lose in the first round :p

RonE
02-24-2007, 12:29 PM
Baghdatis has very little with which to hurt Nadal as was in evidence in their two encounters last year.

However from that point on things get a little bit more difficult for him :devil:

superhoops
02-24-2007, 12:32 PM
Ha Nadal with another difficult draw. If he gets past baggy he wont get past Berdych or Youzhny. On for my predicition still of Nadal out of top 5 by the end of the year :rocker:

Byrd
02-24-2007, 12:33 PM
Federer has an easy half, as I think Haas and Djokvic(especially) might pull out as they've deep in draws already. I think Nadal will be lucky to get out of his quarter, but if he does he stands a decent shot at getting to the finals.

Ivanatis
02-24-2007, 12:36 PM
I see Rafa as slight favourite, but I will cheer for Baggy:D

Horatio Caine
02-24-2007, 12:39 PM
:bigwave: Nadal

Horatio Caine
02-24-2007, 12:39 PM
I see Rafa as slight favourite, but I will cheer for Baggy:D

If you put Nadal's lack of match practice aside, he is 70/30 favourite imo

Fed-Express
02-24-2007, 12:45 PM
Pathetic to see the haters gloating when this 20 year (!) old guy has a difficult time.

scoobs
02-24-2007, 12:46 PM
Nasty draw for Nadal - but then he has to start beating the Berdychs of this world. Time to get started :yeah:

adee-gee
02-24-2007, 12:47 PM
In a way it's not such a bad draw, he'd be able to get his confidence up pretty quickly if he came through against Baggy.

Fergie
02-24-2007, 12:51 PM
Go Marcos :lol:

Or Levy
02-24-2007, 01:05 PM
Yikes, a nightmare draw.

I want to see a Rafa vs. Fed final, but I am a big baggy fan, so...

Hmmm, how did Baghdatis fare against Nadal in the past?

Peoples
02-24-2007, 01:11 PM
Nadal is not playing any worse than ever. Baghdatis doesn't have a chance against the attack and forehand of Nadal

Xristos
02-24-2007, 01:13 PM
Isnt Marcos a seed?

How can this happen?

Apemant
02-24-2007, 01:20 PM
Isnt Marcos a seed?

How can this happen?

Dubai is so filthy rich, they got most of the best people around, so Baggy isn't a seed actually. Ferrer is the 8th seed, ranked 15.

Johnny Groove
02-24-2007, 01:22 PM
p.s Nadal might be heading out 1st round.

Nadal will lose in the first round :p

Baghdatis has very little with which to hurt Nadal as was in evidence in their two encounters last year.

However from that point on things get a little bit more difficult for him :devil:

On for my predicition still of Nadal out of top 5 by the end of the year :rocker:

I see Rafa as slight favourite, but I will cheer for Baggy:D

:bigwave: Nadal

YAY!!!!!!!!!!!! GM is making a comeback :bigclap:

Corey Feldman
02-24-2007, 01:32 PM
I was just gonna say how can two seeds be playing in round 1 heh.
props to Dubai for getting such a field..
Buttzilla will win this match, he already demolished baggy twice last year on matches i thought could be close.

its Rafa - Berdych QF that i wanna see :devil:
you very very bad person! :sad:

marcRD
02-24-2007, 01:36 PM
There is too much hate against Nadal. He is a 20 year old passionate young boy, is polite and nice to everyone and plays a tennis with alot of emotions. His tennis is NOT ugly, it is a wonderful show of athletism mixed with technical impossible shots. Just because his game is not as beautiful as Federer, I mean it is way more beatutiful to watch him play than Roddick or Hewitt. Thank god for Rafael Nadal, he has pushed Federer to become a greater player (we didnt think it was possible).

I hope to see a Rafa-Rog final once again. Berdych will be extremly difficult for Nadal however.

yana
02-24-2007, 01:37 PM
:haha:
Can they better spare Roger's time and call him when he should play the final? I mean, who can menace him till then?

victory1
02-24-2007, 01:39 PM
:haha:
Can they better spare Roger's time and call him when he should play the final? I mean, who can menace him till then?

Who on Nadal's side do you think that can beat him?

scoobs
02-24-2007, 01:43 PM
I hate to see all this anomosity towards Rafa - he doesn't deserve it.

The_Nadal_effect
02-24-2007, 01:43 PM
Nadal.

Corey Feldman
02-24-2007, 01:44 PM
:haha:
Can they better spare Roger's time and call him when he should play the final? I mean, who can menace him till then?Djokovic ?

marcRD
02-24-2007, 01:44 PM
Federer always has easy draws because no one besides Nadal and maybe Safin is a problem for Federer. Even the wimbledon draw which may be the most difficult grand slam draw I have seen (Gasquet-Henman-Mahut-Berdych-Ancic) was an easy draw for Federer.

Corey Feldman
02-24-2007, 01:45 PM
Its only an easy draw when he wins every round and plays well, that is the rule isnt it.

Yappa
02-24-2007, 01:48 PM
What, I expected Baghdatis to be seeded. Shows how wrong I was.

victory1
02-24-2007, 01:50 PM
I hate to see all this anomosity towards Rafa - he doesn't deserve it.

Where's the anomosity? We like his draw and as the #2 player in the world he should be able to handle it. Anyway Federer draw is not that easy; Nole, Davy, and Haas are way better players then anyone in Nadal's side in my opinion!

Veronique
02-24-2007, 01:51 PM
I like Baggy, but go Rafaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Horatio Caine
02-24-2007, 01:54 PM
YAY!!!!!!!!!!!! GM is making a comeback :bigclap:

I don't hate Nadal :lol:

yana
02-24-2007, 01:57 PM
Djokovic ?


You doubt that too, right? from what I've seen, Djoko can menace Fed only in his rich imagination...
Maybe the QFs can produce an upset :rolleyes:

Xristos
02-24-2007, 01:57 PM
Hmmm, how did Baghdatis fare against Nadal in the past?
7-5 6-0 at IW last year.

Byrd
02-24-2007, 02:00 PM
Straight sets at wimbledon as well. From what I saw baggy doesn't have an answer to the angles nadal can make with his forehand.

victory1
02-24-2007, 02:00 PM
7-5 6-0 at IW last year.

That's right, Nadal should be able to kick Baggy's butt. Nadal's draw is not that difficult, it's only because Berdych is there and he has not manage to beat him in a long time that's making it look difficult.

If we switch Nole and Berdych do you think then Nadal's draw would look better?

Loremaster
02-24-2007, 02:07 PM
it depends how he will play, he should win with Baggy and then 2nd rund as well, QF is tricky Berdych would be tough but I think Youzhny will win with Berdych but it is still difficult, Youzhny may withdrawl if he w makes Final of Rotterdam or if he wins Rotterdam, Berdych wasn't in form lately so who knows :rolleyes: it all depends how Nadal will play, last yar he also hadn't played much before Dubai so he wasn't inform , but showed great game in Dubai so who knows , on the other hand Draw for Roger is catwalk up to final and even in final noone could bother him, unless Rafa makes final of course

MissPovaFan
02-24-2007, 02:07 PM
Nadal surely

Veronique
02-24-2007, 02:16 PM
Baggy in 1st round would be called tough draw for anyone, even Federer.

Andre'sNo1Fan
02-24-2007, 02:16 PM
Baghdatis has very little with which to hurt Nadal as was in evidence in their two encounters last year.

However from that point on things get a little bit more difficult for him :devil:
:lol: Rafa's haters like yourself, seem to show much more interest and him than your own players.

The_Nadal_effect
02-24-2007, 02:27 PM
Nadal will win.

Sunset of Age
02-24-2007, 02:28 PM
I don't see too much of Rafa-hate here... quite a lot of people wishing him well, in fact. :confused: Perhaps I've gotten used to it. :rolleyes:

And here's just another one.
He surely has a tough draw, but I expect him to do well against Baggy (oh dear, I like both the guys... will be hard for me to watch!). And if Rafa manages to reach the final, beating all those Angstgegners in his draw, it will surely do wonders for his confidence - might be just what he needs to find his mojo back.

Good luck, Rafa - and hopefully, finally, a Rogi-Rafa final again!!! :p

Corey Feldman
02-24-2007, 02:38 PM
You doubt that too, right? from what I've seen, Djoko can menace Fed only in his rich imagination...
Maybe the QFs can produce an upset :rolleyes:just because Fed is always the fave and should win, doesnt always mean it will be an easy match.

LLeytonRules
02-24-2007, 02:40 PM
Bags will beat Nadal.I think he will be pumped up for this one.I see Nadal really having a tough year.

yana
02-24-2007, 02:43 PM
just because Fed is always the fave and should win, doesnt always mean it will be an easy match.


oh, please. same old, same old. :lol:

yana
02-24-2007, 02:46 PM
I don't see too much of Rafa-hate here... quite a lot of people wishing him well, in fact. :confused:

you live "la vie en rose", right? :confused:

Sunset of Age
02-24-2007, 02:49 PM
you live "la vie en rose", right? :confused:

No, I make a difference between needless bashing (= hate), and people who just express their doubts of him getting far...

JustmeUK
02-24-2007, 02:52 PM
Another chance to shove it to the Rafa-tards :). I don't hate the man but I do hate the fans! What a beautiful draw Nadal has :D. Baggy in the first (albeit Marcos has never beaten Rafa), Andreev in the second (last man to beat Rafa on clay) and then potentially Youzhny (can we say US Open) or Berdych in the quarters.

In contrast Roger has 3 qualies in his quarter.. ah life is sweet! :devil:

Corey Feldman
02-24-2007, 02:53 PM
oh, please. same old, same old. :lol:I bet when Nadal is ripping through his draws at the clay court tournaments you will change your tune, it wont be 'easy draws' from you... it will be 'how great Rafa chico is on clay!!!!!'
:rolleyes:

yana
02-24-2007, 03:00 PM
I bet when Nadal is ripping through his draws at the clay court tournaments you will change your tune, it wont be 'easy draws' from you...
:rolleyes:

I think you confuse me. For me it will be "how great Rafa chico is on clay!" only if he'll beat Fed again. And I don't want a easy draw for Nadal, I only wish Fed have the same treatment.

Xristos
02-24-2007, 03:00 PM
Tough match, no doubt about it. If I was either Rafa or Marcos in this situation I would be worried.

Sunset of Age
02-24-2007, 03:09 PM
^^ :lol: Good one, Xristos!

Apemant
02-24-2007, 03:11 PM
There is too much hate against Nadal. He is a 20 year old passionate young boy, is polite and nice to everyone and plays a tennis with alot of emotions. His tennis is NOT ugly, it is a wonderful show of athletism mixed with technical impossible shots. Just because his game is not as beautiful as Federer, I mean it is way more beatutiful to watch him play than Roddick or Hewitt. Thank god for Rafael Nadal, he has pushed Federer to become a greater player (we didnt think it was possible).


:worship: my thoughts exactly.

I mean, I was a little mad at him for preventing Fed to make history last year, but then again, what history it would have been if he had no real obstacles in making it? Not to mention it's kinda childish to hate the boy just for beating your favourite.

RonE
02-24-2007, 03:17 PM
I think you confuse me. For me it will be "how great Rafa chico is on clay!" only if he'll beat Fed again. And I don't want a easy draw for Nadal, I only wish Fed have the same treatment.

After last year's Wimbledon draw it will take many many more draws like this to even the score :rolls:

But on a serious note, even you have to admit that his grand slam draws thus far have been rather favourable- at the U.S. Open he really didn't have any tough matches until he ran into a red hot Youzhny- Berdych and Blake were both on the other side of the draw.

At the Australian he was only seeded to meet Blake and Berdych from the quarters onwards and very few would have guessed that Murray would have given him as tough a fight as he did.

cmurray
02-24-2007, 03:24 PM
No, I make a difference between needless bashing (= hate), and people who just express their doubts of him getting far...

On this point, I'll have to respectfully disagree with you (will wonders never cease?) :)

I don't mind a straight-foward assessment of Rafa's chances (though I don't think Marcos is going to overly trouble him). Rafa has trouble with Berdych - we all know it and mentioning that fact isn't Rafa-hatred, it's the truth. What I don't understand is the glee with which folks on here anticipate his downfall. Am I accustomed to it? Yep. Happens every tournament Rafa plays in. But I still think its crappy and unnecessary.

Perhaps your definition of hatred and mine are different...but taking pleasure in the very idea that a player will lose certainly doesn't qualify as goodwill in my book.

Apemant
02-24-2007, 03:33 PM
Perhaps your definition of hatred and mine are different...but taking pleasure in the very idea that a player will lose certainly doesn't qualify as goodwill in my book.

That's oh so very true.

But, I guess most fans aren't that ill-tempered towards tennis players themselves, but more to their fans. I mean, Federer fans surely enjoy Rafa's lack of success lately; but just remember how Nadal fans acted last year, after Nadal started to whip Fed regularly, all the way till Wimby. 'Nadal ownz Fed-clown haha 6-1 HTH' and such crap.

Like I said, it just goes on in circles all the time. If Nadal starts to dominate clay season as he did last year & beats Fed a couple times more, then you will hear the same stuff all over again, only with different people gloating.

kindablue
02-24-2007, 03:34 PM
Nice to see so many new Marco's fans :rolleyes:

Sunset of Age
02-24-2007, 03:36 PM
On this point, I'll have to respectfully disagree with you (will wonders never cease?) :)

I don't mind a straight-foward assessment of Rafa's chances (though I don't think Marcos is going to overly trouble him). Rafa has trouble with Berdych - we all know it and mentioning that fact isn't Rafa-hatred, it's the truth. What I don't understand is the glee with which folks on here anticipate his downfall. Am I accustomed to it? Yep. Happens every tournament Rafa plays in. But I still think its crappy and unnecessary.

Perhaps your definition of hatred and mine are different...but taking pleasure in the very idea that a player will lose certainly doesn't qualify as goodwill in my book.

No problem Cheryl... as I already mentioned in that post, I added "Perhaps I'm getting used to it?" when I posted that sentence of not seeing too much hatred around - as a rethorical question which might put my thoughts in a different perspective.

And I very much agree with your point about the glee - you're right about that, and I don't understand nor like that either. But an assesment of why he perhaps won't make it - I don't have any problem with that at all.
(Not to forget that that same nasty glee appears from the 'other side' when Roger doesn't do very well, BTW.)

Oh, and btw, perhaps you missed that part - I'm quite convinced that Baggy won't be of any trouble to Rafa. ;)

kindablue
02-24-2007, 03:36 PM
Nice to see so many new Marco's fans :rolleyes:

That said, i have a very nice Cypriot pork recipe for you :lol:

Sunset of Age
02-24-2007, 03:39 PM
But, I guess most fans aren't that ill-tempered towards tennis players themselves, but more to their fans. I mean, Federer fans surely enjoy Rafa's lack of success lately; but just remember how Nadal fans acted last year, after Nadal started to whip Fed regularly, all the way till Wimby. 'Nadal ownz Fed-clown haha 6-1 HTH' and such crap.

Like I said, it just goes on in circles all the time. If Nadal starts to dominate clay season as he did last year & beats Fed a couple times more, then you will hear the same stuff all over again, only with different people gloating.

Very well said, Apemant.
Couldn't agree with you more, and I wish I were able to express myself a little better in matters like these.

Xristos
02-24-2007, 03:39 PM
I love both...

This is soo very hard on me.

Metis
02-24-2007, 03:40 PM
This is very annoying :mad:. I wanted both of them to go deep into the tournament.

Sunset of Age
02-24-2007, 03:41 PM
I love both...

This is soo very hard on me.

:lol: I have nothing to add, here, as you know! :hug:

Xristos
02-24-2007, 03:45 PM
Thanks for the hug.. :)

cmurray
02-24-2007, 03:55 PM
That's oh so very true.

But, I guess most fans aren't that ill-tempered towards tennis players themselves, but more to their fans. I mean, Federer fans surely enjoy Rafa's lack of success lately; but just remember how Nadal fans acted last year, after Nadal started to whip Fed regularly, all the way till Wimby. 'Nadal ownz Fed-clown haha 6-1 HTH' and such crap.

Like I said, it just goes on in circles all the time. If Nadal starts to dominate clay season as he did last year & beats Fed a couple times more, then you will hear the same stuff all over again, only with different people gloating.

Perhaps this is the trouble I'm having. I never saw the lousy behavior Federer fans were treated to last year because since I've joined this board, Roger hasn't lost a match (crazy but true).

It didn't occur to me that Federer fans would have suffered the same annoyances then that we do now. This certainly gives me something to ponder...........

Sunset of Age
02-24-2007, 04:00 PM
It didn't occur to me that Federer fans would have suffered the same annoyances then that we do now. This certainly gives me something to ponder...........

Believe me, it happened. I was a lurker at MTF at that time, and actually didn't want to join in because I didn't like what was going on.
I joined around the time Feds won Wimbly, hoping that would balance the score for a bit. Can't help but conclude that the score has by now become just as unbalanced, sadly enough...

I can only wish for a real rivalry to blossom, with both of them sharing the trophees a little more equally. Then perhaps the fans would be able to become a little more friendlier to each other as well!

victory1
02-24-2007, 04:03 PM
Perhaps this is the trouble I'm having. I never saw the lousy behavior Federer fans were treated to last year because since I've joined this board, Roger hasn't lost a match (crazy but true).

It didn't occur to me that Federer fans would have suffered the same annoyances then that we do now. This certainly gives me something to ponder...........

It was way worse. Nadal fans are very obnoxious, especially when he was beating Federer. They would post pictures of a giant Nadal patting a little Fed on the head, pictures of Nadal kicking Fed on the ass. Calling him Fed-clown and how he's not really #1, and Nadal was the real #1. Now they acting like the victims since Nadal has not seen a Final in almost 8 months!:rolleyes:

GlennMirnyi
02-24-2007, 04:03 PM
Baghdatis has very little with which to hurt Nadal as was in evidence in their two encounters last year.

However from that point on things get a little bit more difficult for him :devil:

Agreed.

guga2120
02-24-2007, 04:05 PM
i guess Nadal, but close in 3 sets.

Thats a hell of a draw he got.

Apemant
02-24-2007, 04:08 PM
Perhaps this is the trouble I'm having. I never saw the lousy behavior Federer fans were treated to last year because since I've joined this board, Roger hasn't lost a match (crazy but true).


:eek: :eek: really... didn't lose it since Murray in Cincy...

But you know, things were looking awfully bad for Fed right after RG. True, he didn't lose a match except to Nadal, but all those finals... it was terrible for a Fed fan. Just the year before he compiled 24 straight final wins, and then, WTF is that, losing 4 finals in a row to Nadal. Rafa fans were orgasmic though, gloating their asses off.

Since there is no real reason to believe Nadal will suddenly start to suck on clay as well, I'm getting mentally prepared for the round 2 of Rafatard gloat-fest. :cool:

victory1
02-24-2007, 04:10 PM
:eek: :eek: really... didn't lose it since Murray in Cincy...

But you know, things were looking awfully bad for Fed right after RG. True, he didn't lose a match except to Nadal, but all those finals... it was terrible for a Fed fan. Just the year before he compiled 24 straight final wins, and then, WTF is that, losing 4 finals in a row to Nadal. Rafa fans were orgasmic though, gloating their asses off.

Since there is no real reason to believe Nadal will suddenly start to suck on clay as well, I'm getting mentally prepared for the round 2 of Rafatard gloat-fest. :cool:

Yeah, but thank God the clay season only last 6 weeks, then order will be restored!:wavey:

joeb_uk
02-24-2007, 04:35 PM
Nadal will bash Baghdatis I think (most likely in a non difficult match), but I'm not so sure against the ladyberd. I hope he wipes the floor with him though.

croat123
02-24-2007, 04:39 PM
baghdatis can't beat nadal :o
it's just a bad match up for him

berdych will take piggy out though :D

RonE
02-24-2007, 04:40 PM
Perhaps this is the trouble I'm having. I never saw the lousy behavior Federer fans were treated to last year because since I've joined this board, Roger hasn't lost a match (crazy but true).

It didn't occur to me that Federer fans would have suffered the same annoyances then that we do now. This certainly gives me something to ponder...........

Oh we suffered those annoyances and then some. In 2005 it was also pretty bad but last year during the claycourt season it was just as bad if not worse than what Rafa fans are being subjected to today.

The good news for you with the clay season just around the corner you will soon find out exactly what I'm talking about.

adee-gee
02-24-2007, 04:46 PM
I hate to see all this anomosity towards Rafa - he doesn't deserve it.
This is nothing. Just glee about his hard draw, but at least it's not vile like some of the stuff I've seen posted about him.
Oh we suffered those annoyances and then some. In 2005 it was also pretty bad but last year during the claycourt season it was just as bad if not worse than what Rafa fans are being subjected to today.

The good news for you with the clay season just around the corner you will soon find out exactly what I'm talking about.
Oh come on Ron, it never has and never will be nearly as bad. Yes we used to mock you during Rafa's good times, but seriously, how many of us were there? 5-10? If you were to make a list of the amount of shit fans of a certain player get when their man loses, Federer fans would be nowhere near the top. For the matter, I think it'd be......

1) Nadal (by quite a distance)
2) Roddick
3) Ljubicic
4) Murray

When Federer loses, a few people are happy (mainly because they're either fans of the guy that beat him, or because it's extremely rare) but there isn't the pure hatred of him that there is for Nadal. Not even close.

JustmeUK
02-24-2007, 04:47 PM
It didn't occur to me that Federer fans would have suffered the same annoyances then that we do now. This certainly gives me something to ponder...........

You should just do a search and see what was written. FWIW I've never hated Rafa but I sure hate some of his tards as I've posted on many an occasion. Actually I didn't realise you had come to the party so late. If I had I would have been less critical of you as a Rafa fan :). I simply lumped you in as part of the fanclub who were blind to everything else good around them.


I can only wish for a real rivalry to blossom, with both of them sharing the trophees a little more equally. Then perhaps the fans would be able to become a little more friendlier to each other as well!

I'd love to see a several real rivalries. I miss the rivalries of the 80s and 90s. I do doubt however that fans on an anonymous forum will become friendlier to each other. People on forums generally tend to overstate things and this naturally lends itself to very vicious posting.

It was way worse. Nadal fans are very obnoxious, especially when he was beating Federer. They would post pictures of a giant Nadal patting a little Fed on the head, pictures of Nadal kicking Fed on the ass. Calling him Fed-clown and how he's not really #1, and Nadal was the real #1. Now they acting like the victims since Nadal has not seen a Final in almost 8 months!:rolleyes:

They were part of the reason I stopped reading tennis boards for awhile. I really didn't want to get involved in trying to give them more ammunition. I did however make a promise to myself to return the favors when Rafa's results took a dive :devil:


Since there is no real reason to believe Nadal will suddenly start to suck on clay as well, I'm getting mentally prepared for the round 2 of Rafatard gloat-fest. :cool:

You know.. it wouldn't even have to be clay season. If Rafa were to beat Roger in their next match you'd see a mini revival of gloating.

GlennMirnyi
02-24-2007, 04:48 PM
I hate to see all this anomosity towards Rafa - he doesn't deserve it.

He does.

adee-gee
02-24-2007, 04:52 PM
You should just do a search and see what was written. FWIW I've never hated Rafa but I sure hate some of his tards as I've posted on many an occasion. Actually I didn't realise you had come to the party so late. If I had I would have been less critical of you as a Rafa fan :). I simply lumped you in as part of the fanclub who were blind to everything else good around them.
Just out of interest, which "tards" are you talking about because from where I'm sitting it seems like there's about 5 that post in GM.....possibly myself, blaze, castafiore, cmurray...... :shrug: and what exactly is it that annoys you so much?

Apemant
02-24-2007, 05:06 PM
Just out of interest, which "tards" are you talking about because from where I'm sitting it seems like there's about 5 that post in GM.....possibly myself, blaze, castafiore, cmurray...... :shrug: and what exactly is it that annoys you so much?

RF=K, Jogy, Deivid were the most obnoxious (from my memory), blaze and you are actually tolerable compared to RFK, and cmurray is not a tard in the first place.

RonE
02-24-2007, 05:06 PM
Oh come on Ron, it never has and never will be nearly as bad. Yes we used to mock you during Rafa's good times, but seriously, how many of us were there? 5-10?


It's the quality not the quantity that counts :p


When Federer loses, a few people are happy (mainly because they're either fans of the guy that beat him, or because it's extremely rare) but there isn't the pure hatred of him that there is for Nadal. Not even close.

This coming from you??? :haha: :spit: :rolls: :worship:

Oh dear, good one! Now please excuse me while I check to see I didn't bust any stitches due to this wild bout of laughter I just had.

mallorn
02-24-2007, 05:06 PM
It was way worse. Nadal fans are very obnoxious, especially when he was beating Federer. They would post pictures of a giant Nadal patting a little Fed on the head, pictures of Nadal kicking Fed on the ass. Calling him Fed-clown and how he's not really #1, and Nadal was the real #1. Now they acting like the victims since Nadal has not seen a Final in almost 8 months!:rolleyes:
Oh yes, that's WAY WAY worse than lovely, good-humoured Federer fans posting pictures of Rafa with pig's head in their avatars and dead pigs hanging by their hooves, calling him names like pig, monkey, Neanderthal, piece of trash, thug etc.; vomiting at the mention of his name; starting a thread to gloat whenever he loses or is injured or to bash him for no particular reason when he isn't even playing that currently has 936 posts. It doesn't even compare. :rolleyes:

But you know, things were looking awfully bad for Fed right after RG. True, he didn't lose a match except to Nadal, but all those finals... it was terrible for a Fed fan. Just the year before he compiled 24 straight final wins, and then, WTF is that, losing 4 finals in a row to Nadal. Rafa fans were orgasmic though, gloating their asses off.
Do you realise how spoilt you have become by Roger winning so much? :lol: Four finals lost and it's terrible to be a fan? :lol: I know he's competing against the record books rather than his peers but come on, awfully bad? Wasn't it Roger's best clay court season so far? :shrug:

Of course Rafa fans were extremely happy to see him win, especially after the injury layoff when we didn't know if he would be able to come back to his old form.

As for the gloating business, every fan base has sore winners. Since Roger has far more fans than Rafa on MTF though … ;)

adee-gee
02-24-2007, 05:10 PM
RF=K, Jogy, Deivid were the most obnoxious (from my memory), blaze and you are actually tolerable compared to RFK, and cmurray is not a tard in the first place.
Well RFK has gone. Deivid yes I forgot about about....Jogy isn't a Rafatard, he just doesn't like Federer I think.
This coming from you??? :haha: :spit: :rolls: :worship:

Oh dear, good one! Now please excuse me while I check to see I didn't bust any stitches due to this wild bout of laughter I just had.
:lol: despite my pure dislike for Federer, I'd like to think I have more class than celebrating and ridiculing if he ever got injured like Nadal did.

JustmeUK
02-24-2007, 05:17 PM
Just out of interest, which "tards" are you talking about because from where I'm sitting it seems like there's about 5 that post in GM.....possibly myself, blaze, castafiore, cmurray...... :shrug: and what exactly is it that annoys you so much?

TBH none of you really annoy me that much (the hard core ones seem to have gone to ground) though CMurray in the past has posted a few very blinkered statements. I'd have to search back to the clay court season last year (and I can't be arsed to do that) but some of the more obnoxious tards have already been listed nor do I think RFK has left the building for good. I'm sure he'll be back with his new account once clay court season swings around and knowing him probably proclaiming the second coming of the messiah.


:lol: despite my pure dislike for Federer, I'd like to think I have more class than celebrating and ridiculing if he ever got injured like Nadal did.

I doubt you'd find any serious tennis fan gloating about injury to any player. I certainly don't. A lot of the ridiculing is aimed at the fans.

guga2120
02-24-2007, 05:22 PM
Well RFK has gone. Deivid yes I forgot about about....Jogy isn't a Rafatard, he just doesn't like Federer I think.

:lol: despite my pure dislike for Federer, I'd like to think I have more class than celebrating and ridiculing if he ever got injured like Nadal did.

who was celebrating Nadal getting hurt?

victory1
02-24-2007, 05:24 PM
Oh yes, that's WAY WAY worse than lovely, good-humoured Federer fans posting pictures of Rafa with pig's head in their avatars and dead pigs hanging by their hooves, calling him names like pig, monkey, Neanderthal, piece of trash, thug etc.; vomiting at the mention of his name; starting a thread to gloat whenever he loses or is injured or to bash him for no particular reason when he isn't even playing that currently has 936 posts. It doesn't even compare. :rolleyes:


Do you realise how spoilt you have become by Roger winning so much? :lol: Four finals lost and it's terrible to be a fan? :lol: I know he's competing against the record books rather than his peers but come on, awfully bad? Wasn't it Roger's best clay court season so far? :shrug:

Of course Rafa fans were extremely happy to see him win, especially after the injury layoff when we didn't know if he would be able to come back to his old form.

As for the gloating business, every fan base has sore winners. Since Roger has far more fans than Rafa on MTF though … ;)

The only reason you don't see a bunch of these kind of threads about Roger is because he rarely loses; he has won 9 of the 10 tournaments he played in since the clay season. He has not pulled out of a tournament due to injury since the end of 2005. Rafa loses all the time and injured all the time so of course there's going to be more bull-shit threads about his lack of success!

adee-gee
02-24-2007, 05:26 PM
I doubt you'd find any serious tennis fan gloating about injury to any player. I certainly don't. A lot of the ridiculing is aimed at the fans.
Hey don't get me wrong, dishing out and receiving banter is great fun and I'm a big fan of it. The only thing I object to is the fact Nadal is totally destroyed for pretty much everything he does, the way he looks, the way he plays, the way he speaks, the way he picks his ass.....whatever. I mean, I know he doesn't read this board or anything and in the grand scheme of things it doesn't really matter, I just think it's a tad harsh on a kid who's pretty much considered to be a good guy.

adee-gee
02-24-2007, 05:29 PM
who was celebrating Nadal getting hurt?
There were several "jokes" going around when he had that car crash after Wimbledon. People put pictures of Rafa with the trainer in his avy when he pulled out against Guccione etc.

Every time a new injury crops up we get people gleefully telling us they told us it would happen and he'll retire by the age of 23.

JustmeUK
02-24-2007, 05:36 PM
The only thing I object to is the fact Nadal is totally destroyed for pretty much everything he does, the way he looks, the way he plays, the way he speaks, the way he picks his ass.....whatever. I mean, I know he doesn't read this board or anything and in the grand scheme of things it doesn't really matter, I just think it's a tad harsh on a kid who's pretty much considered to be a good guy.

Okay well picking on a player's game is fair. This is a tennis forum after all. As for the other things he gets hammered on, well that too is fair given the legion of swooning female supporters of all ages who vapidly admire the cute way he speaks (using no? though that appears to be on it's way out) and his famous butt (which even he alluded to himself). If he's going to be celebrated for those things he's going to take a few shots for the same. And he's not really a kid any longer. He's 21 - pretty much old enough to do anything anywhere in the world.

mallorn
02-24-2007, 05:37 PM
The only reason you don't see a bunch of these kind of threads about Roger is because he rarely loses; he has won 9 of the 10 tournaments he played in since the clay season. He has not pulled out of a tournament due to injury since the end of 2005. Rafa loses all the time and injured all the time so of course there's going to be more bull-shit threads about his lack of success!
The only reason? That's just speculation on your part that Rafa fans would gloat about Roger being injured. And the BS was very much present also when Rafa was winning last year and in 2005 - so it's not so much to do with his lack of success but with some people's dislike of him.

brent-o
02-24-2007, 05:49 PM
Actually, I think this is a pretty easy first round for Nadal. Could have been worse. His game matches up well with Baggy and last year in their matches, Baghdatis didn't give him much trouble.

Metis
02-24-2007, 05:53 PM
Okay well picking on a player's game is fair. This is a tennis forum after all. As for the other things he gets hammered on, well that too is fair given the legion of swooning female supporters of all ages who vapidly admire the cute way he speaks (using no? though that appears to be on it's way out) and his famous butt (which even he alluded to himself). If he's going to be celebrated for those things he's going to take a few shots for the same. And he's not really a kid any longer. He's 21 - pretty much old enough to do anything anywhere in the world.

So what you are saying is that you guys are envious of all the attention Rafa gets by women because of his physical appearance and feel threatened by him. :p

Now we are finally getting to the ...bottom of it all. :D

JustmeUK
02-24-2007, 05:58 PM
So what you are saying is that you guys are envious of all the attention Rafa gets by women because of his physical appearance and feel threatened by him. :p

Now we are finally getting to the ...bottom of it all. :D

Actually no :). I'm not envious of him. I actually think he looks like a pig :devil:. What I am saying is if you're going to attract praise for things other than his game (and let's be honest here he does that) then it's going to be fair shout that it will also be a target for humiliating him especially given he does pick his butt. I certainly don't feel threatened by Rafa's butt picking. Maybe you think it's the best thing since sliced cheese and I should feel threatened by it I assure you I am not :haha:

Clara Bow
02-24-2007, 06:00 PM
He's 21 - pretty much old enough to do anything anywhere in the world.


He's 20 - turns 21 during the French Open. :)

There does seem to be a real nasty venom towards Rafa that I do think does go over the top at times. And while you may get swoony fans for Rafa- you actually get them for other players as well. There was plenty of drooling over Roger's Vogue pictures for example. I just don't understand wishing for a player to fail and taking joy in that because some fans may be obnoxious. You can find obnoxious fans of all players. I tend to do my rooting based on the players themselves, not because of their relative fan bases.

Tough draw for Rafa. I am not really worried about Marcos (although I don't think a win is a given)- but Igor and Misha are in good form. And of course Tomas always causes Rafa problems. Frankly, if he gets out of his quarter I will be surprised.

Metis
02-24-2007, 06:24 PM
Actually no :). I'm not envious of him. I actually think he looks like a pig :devil:. What I am saying is if you're going to attract praise for things other than his game (and let's be honest here he does that) then it's going to be fair shout that it will also be a target for humiliating him especially given he does pick his butt. I certainly don't feel threatened by Rafa's butt picking. Maybe you think it's the best thing since sliced cheese and I should feel threatened by it I assure you I am not :haha:

Yes, but your girlfriend/wife/significant other might have a different opinion. That's where the problem lies. ;) The butt picking is a bad habit, but the butt itself is undeniably first rate (too many butts in this sentence). :devil:

Besides I was talking in general not just about you. I haven't seen your butt. It could be better than Rafa's for all I know. :)

jazar
02-24-2007, 06:40 PM
fed has an easy run to the title.
nadal will beat baggy. baggy doesnt hit through the ball enough to best him unless rafa is on an off day

Corey Feldman
02-24-2007, 07:11 PM
Just the year before he compiled 24 straight final wins, and then, WTF is that, losing 4 finals in a row to Nadal. Rafa fans were orgasmic though, gloating their asses off.Agreed.
the better player he was, wasnt he supposed to be No1 by now?
:o

Corey Feldman
02-24-2007, 07:20 PM
I think you confuse me. For me it will be "how great Rafa chico is on clay!" only if he'll beat Fed again. And I don't want a easy draw for Nadal, I only wish Fed have the same treatment.You should check some on the tournaments he's won over the years and the draws Fed has had, you sound like you are new to this game to me.
i remember a few years ago he had Safin in the first round here, a month after they played the AO final.
i could go on for pages about the amount of tough players he's beaten to win Dubai and other events - compared to Nadal, so shove it.

its a classical case of Rafa getting a hard 1st round then you fans vent about Fed's draw to make yourself feel better.

even think back to Shanghai last year, and who they got in their group.

Corey Feldman
02-24-2007, 07:23 PM
Has Nadal even played Safin or Nalbandian yet, played Roddick since 2004?
lol

stebs
02-24-2007, 07:25 PM
The only reason? That's just speculation on your part that Rafa fans would gloat about Roger being injured.
I'm afraid that's not true. I have seen Roger hating posters who clearly say that they HOPE Roger will get injured so that it will be easier for their player. This is not just Rafa fans but nevertheless, that's the way it has been in the past. Right now, there are far more idiots who are Fed fans than their Nadal counterparts. Can't be denied, there are a few Rafa ones coming up through the ranks though. Andre's #1 fan and Sondraj and doing a pretty decent job tbh.

kobulingam
02-24-2007, 07:26 PM
Nadal shouldn't be playing this tournament. He doesn't need extra hardcourt wear and tear (especially after some injury troubles).

IW and Miami are coming up, why does Nadal want 3 hardcourt tournaments before the clay season? Does he want the tendonitis in his knees to flare up again?

I could see Nadal having tough matches against Bagman, Gicquel/Igor, Berdych, etc. etc. Every match of this tournament could be tough, and most would be back to back.

He doesn't need this. IW/Miami are much better because of the breaks in between matches.

~Marija~
02-24-2007, 07:32 PM
Rafa has unlucky draw!

I think that Marcos can beat him!

:wavey:

stebs
02-24-2007, 07:37 PM
Baghdatis shouldn't be beating Nadal on any surface. It may be a tough match on paper but I think Nadal would be more scared by a random top 100 big hitter than the talented Baghdatis. Baggy hasn't got what it takes to beat Nadal.

shotgun
02-24-2007, 07:41 PM
People put pictures of Rafa with the trainer in his avy when he pulled out against Guccione etc.

Well you put a picture of Berdych with his coach after his shattering DC loss to Roddick, doesn't make you any better than that. :)

shotgun
02-24-2007, 07:43 PM
As for the issue in hand, Nadal will probably win in straights.

NYCtennisfan
02-24-2007, 07:53 PM
Unless Baggy is having one of his unusual high serving % days, he is in for a long day. Nadal really beat him down last year at IW, especially after the wind died down. Baggy needs to get on a roll with his serve and FH early and now wait around until being 5-2 down or something to get started.

alsace
02-24-2007, 08:37 PM
Tough draw for Rafa. I am not really worried about Marcos (although I don't think a win is a given)- but Igor and Misha are in good form. And of course Tomas always causes Rafa problems. Frankly, if he gets out of his quarter I will be surprised.

But if he does get out of his quarter, it should be an easy road to the final. Hard to see either Ferrer or Robredo giving him much of a problem.

btw, I don't know what this means, but I have a framed photo of Louise Brooks sitting in front of me even as we speak!
:wavey:

dorkino
02-24-2007, 08:47 PM
Originally Posted by Clara Bow
Tough draw for Rafa. I am not really worried about Marcos (although I don't think a win is a given)- but Igor and Misha are in good form. And of course Tomas always causes Rafa problems. Frankly, if he gets out of his quarter I will be surprised.

Can i borrow this ? Exact Ditto.

Originally posted by Scoobsuk
I hate to see all this anomosity towards Rafa - he doesn't deserve it.

This is nothing. U need new immunization. :o

safinaferrero
02-24-2007, 08:54 PM
Nadal ;)

LilyRoseAva
02-24-2007, 09:34 PM
2006 Wimbledon S Nadal 6-1 7-5 6-3
2006 ATP Masters Series Indian Wells Q Nadal 7-5 6-0

nadal leads 2-0
nadal will win i think

superandy88
02-24-2007, 10:22 PM
Nadal will make it to the third round where he will lose to Berdych or Youzhny.:D

Apemant
02-24-2007, 10:22 PM
Do you realise how spoilt you have become by Roger winning so much? :lol: Four finals lost and it's terrible to be a fan? :lol: I know he's competing against the record books rather than his peers but come on, awfully bad? Wasn't it Roger's best clay court season so far? :shrug:

Yes and no.
It is a well documented fact that such things can define a person. For anyone else, those 4 finals would mean success, but for Federer, they were heartbreaking failures. It's not my own opinion; it's a general consensus, which can be deduced from the enormous expectations people lay on his shoulders. Why do you think Wilander would say that Fed had no balls, if those finals weren't a failure for him, in Wilander's (and everyone else's) eyes?

I'm sorry if it hurts you as a Nadal fan, but everyone sees that Fed's only problem are his own daemons. Like you wonderfully said, it's not peers he is really battling against; it's record books. History. So it's actually Fed vs. himself, i.e. his fears, doubts, insecurity etc. The only question is: will he manage to rise to the occasion and produce what everyone rightfully expects from him? Or will he crumble under the enormous pressure of impossible expectations, and fail miserably? It has nothing to do with Nadal personally; again, sorry if it hurts you as a fan of his. I happen to like Ljubo and Gonzo as well, but I wouldn't even dream of thinking that they are any real competition for Fed.

So, make no mistake; if Fed for any reason fails to come down as the GOAT, it will be his own failure, not someone else's success.

Metis
02-24-2007, 10:52 PM
Yes and no.
It is a well documented fact that such things can define a person. For anyone else, those 4 finals would mean success, but for Federer, they were heartbreaking failures. It's not my own opinion; it's a general consensus, which can be deduced from the enormous expectations people lay on his shoulders. Why do you think Wilander would say that Fed had no balls, if those finals weren't a failure for him, in Wilander's (and everyone else's) eyes?

I'm sorry if it hurts you as a Nadal fan, but everyone sees that Fed's only problem are his own daemons. Like you wonderfully said, it's not peers he is really battling against; it's record books. History. So it's actually Fed vs. himself, i.e. his fears, doubts, insecurity etc. The only question is: will he manage to rise to the occasion and produce what everyone rightfully expects from him? Or will he crumble under the enormous pressure of impossible expectations, and fail miserably? It has nothing to do with Nadal personally; again, sorry if it hurts you as a fan of his. I happen to like Ljubo and Gonzo as well, but I wouldn't even dream of thinking that they are any real competition for Fed.

So, make no mistake; if Fed for any reason fails to come down as the GOAT, it will be his own failure, not someone else's success.

Oh please! :lol:

What you have written could very well be said about Nadal and his results after Wimbledon. Although his results improved compared to 2005 (and he himself has emphasized that) people act as if he was supposed to win all the slams and now proclaim his downfall. Yes it was only his failure not the ability of his oponents. :rolleyes: :lol:

I am sure Federer is not that deluded to think that winning is only up to him no matter who is across the net.

People who have been following tennis for a long time probably have come across similar situations applying to other players.

Johnny Groove
02-24-2007, 11:03 PM
ok, time for my opinion on this ;)

Perhaps this is the trouble I'm having. I never saw the lousy behavior Federer fans were treated to last year because since I've joined this board, Roger hasn't lost a match (crazy but true).

It didn't occur to me that Federer fans would have suffered the same annoyances then that we do now. This certainly gives me something to ponder...........

:spit: are you shittin me? Maybe for 2 months outta the year in 06, and for a good chunk of 05, but EVERY WAKING SECOND other than that? Rafa bashing and Fed worshipping. The comparison is NOT EVEN FUCKING CLOSE.

Believe me, it happened. I was a lurker at MTF at that time, and actually didn't want to join in because I didn't like what was going on.
I joined around the time Feds won Wimbly, hoping that would balance the score for a bit. Can't help but conclude that the score has by now become just as unbalanced, sadly enough...

I can only wish for a real rivalry to blossom, with both of them sharing the trophees a little more equally. Then perhaps the fans would be able to become a little more friendlier to each other as well!

ah, so you lurked in the clay season? i was a newcomer then and wasnt really acquanted with the MTF lifestyle. i remember the occurences and i must say that the hatred for Rafa must have increased 10 fold during that time.

It was way worse. Nadal fans are very obnoxious, especially when he was beating Federer. They would post pictures of a giant Nadal patting a little Fed on the head, pictures of Nadal kicking Fed on the ass. Calling him Fed-clown and how he's not really #1, and Nadal was the real #1. Now they acting like the victims since Nadal has not seen a Final in almost 8 months!:rolleyes:

and we did that for 2 months. U fed fans do shit just as bad or worse for the other 10. dont feed me that shit.

But you know, things were looking awfully bad for Fed right after RG. True, he didn't lose a match except to Nadal, but all those finals... it was terrible for a Fed fan. Just the year before he compiled 24 straight final wins, and then, WTF is that, losing 4 finals in a row to Nadal. Rafa fans were orgasmic though, gloating their asses off.

awwwww, little baby :awww: Your guy lost 4 times in finals? what a horrid occurence! :hug: its not like his slams wins and total loses each year are about the same :rolleyes:

Yeah, but thank God the clay season only last 6 weeks, then order will be restored!:wavey:

:lol:

Oh we suffered those annoyances and then some. In 2005 it was also pretty bad but last year during the claycourt season it was just as bad if not worse than what Rafa fans are being subjected to today.

The good news for you with the clay season just around the corner you will soon find out exactly what I'm talking about.

maybe so, but we only get 2 months while u guys get the whole year.

This is nothing. Just glee about his hard draw, but at least it's not vile like some of the stuff I've seen posted about him.

Oh come on Ron, it never has and never will be nearly as bad. Yes we used to mock you during Rafa's good times, but seriously, how many of us were there? 5-10? If you were to make a list of the amount of shit fans of a certain player get when their man loses, Federer fans would be nowhere near the top. For the matter, I think it'd be......

1) Nadal (by quite a distance)
2) Roddick
3) Ljubicic
4) Murray

When Federer loses, a few people are happy (mainly because they're either fans of the guy that beat him, or because it's extremely rare) but there isn't the pure hatred of him that there is for Nadal. Not even close.

:yeah:

Oh yes, that's WAY WAY worse than lovely, good-humoured Federer fans posting pictures of Rafa with pig's head in their avatars and dead pigs hanging by their hooves, calling him names like pig, monkey, Neanderthal, piece of trash, thug etc.; vomiting at the mention of his name; starting a thread to gloat whenever he loses or is injured or to bash him for no particular reason when he isn't even playing that currently has 936 posts. It doesn't even compare. :rolleyes:


Do you realise how spoilt you have become by Roger winning so much? :lol: Four finals lost and it's terrible to be a fan? :lol: I know he's competing against the record books rather than his peers but come on, awfully bad? Wasn't it Roger's best clay court season so far? :shrug:

Of course Rafa fans were extremely happy to see him win, especially after the injury layoff when we didn't know if he would be able to come back to his old form.

As for the gloating business, every fan base has sore winners. Since Roger has far more fans than Rafa on MTF though … ;)

:yeah:

who was celebrating Nadal getting hurt?

look for posts that Rafa got "gooched". You'll see

Rafa loses all the time and injured all the time so of course there's going to be more bull-shit threads about his lack of success!

So he doesnt win every tourney he plays in and at worst (gasp) loses in finals?!?!?!?!:rolleyes:

There were several "jokes" going around when he had that car crash after Wimbledon. People put pictures of Rafa with the trainer in his avy when he pulled out against Guccione etc.

Every time a new injury crops up we get people gleefully telling us they told us it would happen and he'll retire by the age of 23.

even when he wins, people still predict his demise :rolleyes:

Right now, there are far more idiots who are Fed fans than their Nadal counterparts. Can't be denied, there are a few Rafa ones coming up through the ranks though. Andre's #1 fan and Sondraj and doing a pretty decent job tbh.

yes, on both counts. :yeah:

Nadal shouldn't be playing this tournament. He doesn't need extra hardcourt wear and tear (especially after some injury troubles).

IW and Miami are coming up, why does Nadal want 3 hardcourt tournaments before the clay season? Does he want the tendonitis in his knees to flare up again?

I could see Nadal having tough matches against Bagman, Gicquel/Igor, Berdych, etc. etc. Every match of this tournament could be tough, and most would be back to back.

He doesn't need this. IW/Miami are much better because of the breaks in between matches.

hes the defending champ and they are paying him money out the ass. And his ass has alot of space for money

Yes and no.
It is a well documented fact that such things can define a person. For anyone else, those 4 finals would mean success, but for Federer, they were heartbreaking failures. It's not my own opinion; it's a general consensus, which can be deduced from the enormous expectations people lay on his shoulders. Why do you think Wilander would say that Fed had no balls, if those finals weren't a failure for him, in Wilander's (and everyone else's) eyes?

I'm sorry if it hurts you as a Nadal fan, but everyone sees that Fed's only problem are his own daemons. Like you wonderfully said, it's not peers he is really battling against; it's record books. History. So it's actually Fed vs. himself, i.e. his fears, doubts, insecurity etc. The only question is: will he manage to rise to the occasion and produce what everyone rightfully expects from him? Or will he crumble under the enormous pressure of impossible expectations, and fail miserably? It has nothing to do with Nadal personally; again, sorry if it hurts you as a fan of his. I happen to like Ljubo and Gonzo as well, but I wouldn't even dream of thinking that they are any real competition for Fed.

So, make no mistake; if Fed for any reason fails to come down as the GOAT, it will be his own failure, not someone else's success.

:spit: So if federer is not the best ever when its all said and done, he will have only himslef to blame? it wouldnt be because other players decided that they wanted to beat him 9-7 in the 5th or because some people wanted to deny him RG 2 years running. NOOOOO, its his own failures :rolleyes:

Corey Feldman
02-24-2007, 11:19 PM
fucking Stebs..
what is with that guy...
i think he is a fed fan who is always sucking up to the rafatards, what an ass kissing phony.

Jlee
02-24-2007, 11:20 PM
Ouch, bad match for a first round for both guys. Nadal probably should win because Bagh struggles in non-GS events (:lol:) but he hasn't been playing very well at all lately. We'll see.

El Legenda
02-24-2007, 11:22 PM
stick a fork in the pig, he is done.

2005= 11 titles
2006= 5 titles
2007= 0?

scoobs
02-24-2007, 11:25 PM
Shame we have to lose one of Baghdatis or Nadal so early in the tournament.

I think Nadal will get him though.

yakuzaninja
02-24-2007, 11:26 PM
no Brazilian magic for Baghdatinho here- Nadal in 2.

guga2120
02-24-2007, 11:26 PM
Shame we have to lose one of Baghdatis or Nadal so early in the tournament.

I think Nadal will get him though.

i agree both are great to watch, i think Nadal will win, most likely, but very close, you never know with Baggy.

t0x
02-24-2007, 11:29 PM
Nadal in SS... Baggy has talent, but realistically he won't be able to throw it all together to beat Nadal.

Nadal has a very tough draw.... he better make the final!

Corey Feldman
02-24-2007, 11:30 PM
Henin won the WTA version.... not good,
everytime she wins a title at a certain venue = Rafa follows
:p
dubai clay again :rolleyes:

Apemant
02-24-2007, 11:33 PM
What you have written could very well be said about Nadal and his results after Wimbledon. Although his results improved compared to 2005 (and he himself has emphasized that) people act as if he was supposed to win all the slams and now proclaim his downfall. Yes it was only his failure not the ability of his oponents. :rolleyes: :lol:


What is it that you don't understand? That there are things that apply to Federer, but don't apply to Nadal? Wow, really a hard concept to grasp.

Look here, I have 2 statements for you:

1. If Federer loses to Ljubo, it's obviously because Fed didn't play his best.
2. If Ljubo loses to Fed, it's obviously because Ljubo didn't play his best.

Here you go, two perfectly symmetrical statements, but one of them makes perfect sense, while the other is - well, nonsense.

The same holds true for our little disagreement. Not everything that applies to Federer, actually applies to Nadal as well. I don't see what's so funny about such a simple fact.

Apemant
02-24-2007, 11:51 PM
awwwww, little baby :awww: Your guy lost 4 times in finals? what a horrid occurence! :hug: its not like his slams wins and total loses each year are about the same :rolleyes:

Oh, gimme a break. Don't lie and say that you wouldn't be happy if he lost Wimby, then cracked up totally and never won a GS again? Dropped to like 18 and hanged out there like Hewitt these days? Don't say you weren't secretly hoping for that after those 4 nasty losses to Nadal?

It's easy to dismiss the severity of those blows now, when he's got 3 more GS's since; but I'm referring to how it looked like back THEN.


:spit: So if federer is not the best ever when its all said and done, he will have only himslef to blame? it wouldnt be because other players decided that they wanted to beat him 9-7 in the 5th or because some people wanted to deny him RG 2 years running. NOOOOO, its his own failures :rolleyes:

Nadal on clay is the only possible exception to what I've said. Other than that, you can :rolleyes: as much as you want, it won't change aynthing.

Apemant
02-24-2007, 11:55 PM
fucking Stebs..
what is with that guy...
i think he is a fed fan who is always sucking up to the rafatards, what an ass kissing phony.

There's nothing wrong with stebs. Nadal isn't as bad as you Fed fans make him look. Of course, he isn't as great as Rafa fans claim either; but he still is the undisputed clay king and that's not to be underestimated.

sondraj06
02-24-2007, 11:57 PM
stick a fork in the pig, he is done.

2005= 11 titles
2006= 5 titles
2007= 0?


Do you really think Bag can beat Nadal at dubai Or did you jusr really want to post those stats?

sondraj06
02-25-2007, 12:08 AM
Oh, gimme a break. Don't lie and say that you wouldn't be happy if he lost Wimby, then cracked up totally and never won a GS again? Dropped to like 18 and hanged out there like Hewitt these days? Don't say you weren't secretly hoping for that after those 4 nasty losses to Nadal?




Yep I would laugh and hahaha :haha:myself all the way to the jiggle factory . But this is where we differ because I and i'm sure many rafa supporters would agree, we don't dedicate our lives on the internet to show so much disrespect to a person we've never meet and claim to dislike. So this to me, only proves one thing, and that is not that you hate Nadal. Because what you don't see is that, that can be said with an simple, I hate Nadal, or maybe even a... I simply dislike the bloke, take your pick. But no, instead you (Rafa Haters) go out of your way to not only tell but show the world with many uncreative endeavors how much you dislike him :confused:. But I thought I was the fan, I don't even give him that much of my attention. It only proves that your life revolves around a man that you dispise.That your happiness and gratitude all stem from on place...see us nadal supporters and you haters aren't really all that different.. in fact it is that thing that divides us that also happens to connect us...the passion we both, nadal supporters and haters alike have for this one incredible human being.

Good day...now keep up the Rafa support/ I mean hate...oh damn now I'm confused :hug:

All_Slam_Andre
02-25-2007, 12:11 AM
Baghdatis doesn't have any weapons to hurt Rafa with. I'd expect Nadal to win in straight sets. It's the quarter-finals that I'm worried about.

Metis
02-25-2007, 12:17 AM
What is it that you don't understand? That there are things that apply to Federer, but don't apply to Nadal? Wow, really a hard concept to grasp.

Look here, I have 2 statements for you:

1. If Federer loses to Ljubo, it's obviously because Fed didn't play his best.
2. If Ljubo loses to Fed, it's obviously because Ljubo didn't play his best.

Here you go, two perfectly symmetrical statements, but one of them makes perfect sense, while the other is - well, nonsense.

The same holds true for our little disagreement. Not everything that applies to Federer, actually applies to Nadal as well. I don't see what's so funny about such a simple fact.

:confused: I never said that everything that applies to Federer applies to Nadal as well. I mentioned Nadal as an example (the first to come to mind) where people (driven by their high expectations, not to mention their reluctance to give credit to the opponent) attribute a loss solely to one player's 'failure' as if the guy on the other side of the court had nothing to do with it.

The reason I mentioned that example was because you seem to believe that Federer lost those 4 matches against Nadal simply because he crumbled(that's the word you used, no?) not because he wasn't good enough to beat him on those occasions.

Noone denies that the pressure of high expectations has some effect on Roger. But to claim that that will be the only reason behind a future loss is just ridiculous and degrading to Federer himself. (I might as well claim that Rafa has underperformed because of the weight of expectations for him to get closer to Federer and claim the No1 spot :silly:)

It's as simple as that. I hope you understand my point now. :wavey:

Apemant
02-25-2007, 12:19 AM
yep I would laugh and hahaha myself all the way to the jiggle factory. But this is where we differ because I and i'm sure many rafa supporters would agree, we don't dedicate our lives on the internet to show so much disrespect to a person we've never meet and claim to dislike. So this to me, only proves one thing, and it's not that you hate Nadal. Because what you don't see is that, that can be said with an easy I hate Nadal, or I dislike the bloke, take you pick. But no, instead you go out of your (rafa haters) way to not only tell but show with many uncreative endeavors how much you dislike him :confused:, but what I thought I was the fan. It only proves that your life revolves around a man that you dispise.That your happiness and gratitude all stem from on place...see us nadal supporters and you haters aren't really all that different.. in fact it is that thing that divides us that also happens to connect us...the passion we both, nadal supporters and haters a like have for this one incredible human being.

Good day...now keep up the Rafa support/ I mean hate...oh damn now I'm confused

OMG this paragraph deserves to be framed and placed on a wall. :haha:
First, I'm not sure what you are actually saying in the first place. Honestly, it sounds as if you were drunk writing this, or you don't know first thing about English; so I'm just going to comment a few things that caught my attention.
What disrespect did I show for Nadal? I did no such thing. It's no disrespect to be compared to Federer, even if you come short in that comparison. He still compares to a lot of other guys favourably.
And drop your amazingly low level amateurish psychology on me. You are miles away. :angel:

Corey Feldman
02-25-2007, 12:21 AM
There's nothing wrong with stebs. Nadal isn't as bad as you Fed fans make him look. Of course, he isn't as great as Rafa fans claim either; but he still is the undisputed clay king and that's not to be underestimated.again blame the fedtards.... yes there are a few who go on a bit, but even in my unbiased opinion....ALL fanbases have 'those types' and all say stuff about Nadal.
big deal, just as much said about fed, ljubo, a-rod.
top players get made fun of by everyone around MTF/rivals fans, simple as that.. no need for the sensitive pansies to cry about it, especially when they themselves dish it out to players they dont exactly support.
every tard tends to think their guy gets it worse, everyone is as bad as each other :lol:

sondraj06
02-25-2007, 12:23 AM
OMG this paragraph deserves to be framed and placed on a wall. :haha:
First, I'm not sure what you are actually saying in the first place. Honestly, it sounds as if you were drunk writing this, or you don't know first thing about English; so I'm just going to comment a few things that caught my attention.
What disrespect did I show for Nadal? I did no such thing. It's no disrespect to be compared to Federer, even if you come short in that comparison. He still compares to a lot of other guys favourably.
And drop your amazingly low level amateurish psychology on me. You are miles away. :angel:


Thank you, But seeing as how you read it and still didn't get it, I don't really know how flattered I can truly be. Because an idiot praise is not worth the praise at all. and if you aren't being disrespectful than it doesn't apply to you. I was just agreeing with you on your point that I would laugh at fed loses, but in a slightly different manner. now which category do you fit in Rafa hater/supporter you know i get them so confused now-a-days

And for the record I wouldn't let the world in on the fact that I thought that was any form of psychology....It was made in jest...get over
yourself

P.S it's o.k that you can't read and understand english at the same time....it's a process. Take it one step at a time

Corey Feldman
02-25-2007, 12:42 AM
Sondraj, all we want to know is :rolleyes:

are you drunk? :D

sondraj06
02-25-2007, 12:45 AM
Sondraj, all we want to know is :rolleyes:

are you drunk? :D


I'm always drunk haven't you read any of my post

Apemant
02-25-2007, 12:45 AM
:confused: I never said that everything that applies to Federer applies to Nadal as well. I mentioned Nadal as an example (the first to come to mind) where people (driven by their high expectations, not to mention their reluctance to give credit to the opponent) attribute a loss solely to one player's 'failure' as if the guy on the other side of the court had nothing to do with it.

I know what you meant. To that I replied something like this:

When someone claims that his loss is his own failure, it CAN be just rubbish, but it also CAN be perfectly true. You can't just point to an example where it was indeed rubbish, and think it somehow refutes ANY such claim, particularly the one I made about Federer. See what I mean?


The reason I mentioned that example was because you seem to believe that Federer lost those 4 matches against Nadal simply because he crumbled(that's the word you used, no?) not because he wasn't good enough to beat him on those occasions.

Not JUST because of that. Some of those matches were regular beating. Rome wasn't, for example. Neither was Dubai. Even there, Nadal is a bad matchup for Federer, but these issues are not binary, and they certainly aren't all-or-none. If I claim that Federer's shaky psyche influenced his game a lot, I'm not dissing Nadal, and certainly I'm not doing that for all 4 matches at once. Each of them was a separate story.


Noone denies that the pressure of high expectations has some effect on Roger. But to claim that that will be the only reason behind a future loss is just ridiculous and degrading to Federer himself. (I might as well claim that Rafa has underperformed because of the weight of expectations for him to get closer to Federer and claim the No1 spot :silly:)

It's as simple as that. I hope you understand my point now. :wavey:

Of course I understand your point but I happen to disagree with it. And look, you are again using Nadal as an example and obviously thinking it somehow refutes my claim. As if Nadal and Federer were anywhere similar mentally.

If I say that in Rome Fed choked the match away, I'd be very close to the mark. Those missed FH's weren't Nadal's making, they were Fed's. And what do you say to that? Try to refute it by stating that someone might as well say that Nadal choked the Wimby match, and how that would be a stupid thing to say. Surprise! It indeed would be stupid, while the one about Rome in fact wouldn't. What is so hard to understand about it? There are pretty girls and there are not-so-pretty ones. There are matches where someone chokes, and there are matches where someone is simply outplayed. Elementary, my dear Watson.

sondraj06
02-25-2007, 12:49 AM
^ Nadal did choke at the wimby final, that's not stupid that's pretty much fact, did you see it. He played awful. Nerves really got to him

Corey Feldman
02-25-2007, 01:08 AM
:lol:

Apemant
02-25-2007, 01:21 AM
Thank you, But seeing as how you read it and still didn't get it, I don't really know how flattered I can truly be. Because an idiot praise is not worth the praise at all.

An idiot is a person with IQ below 20 if I remember correctly. Since my IQ is above 150 I obviously don't fall into that category, but nice try.

The fact is you didn't express yourself well. Don't blame it on the audience. Your sentences were extremely incoherent and hard to understand for anyone except you perhaps.


And for the record I wouldn't let the world in on the fact that I thought that was any form of psychology....It was made in jest...get over
yourself

P.S it's o.k that you can't read and understand english at the same time....it's a process. Take it one step at a time

I'm not a Rafa hater, nor a great supporter. There is something called 'a middle' you know.
Also, I can understand proper english quite well; incoherent rants are a different story. It seemed to me you are implying that I'm two-faced dishonest Rafa hater in disguise; if it was a just a joke, it wasn't a particularly funny one.

I know I'm too stiff at times but that's the way I am. Don't provoke me with stuff like that if you don't like the response and we'll go just fine.

Nadal did choke at the wimby final, that's not stupid that's pretty much fact, did you see it. He played awful. Nerves really got to him

Sure, he did choke in a game or two. I said that Roger choked the match away in Rome, as in, the choke made the difference between winning and losing. If you really believe that Nadal has the game to beat Fed on grass and only choking prevented him of doing that or coming close to doing it, then you are more delusional than I thought. Because honey, Federer choked in that Wimby match no less than Nadal. He was scared shitless; he tried so hard to suppress it that he was literally drained emotionally, which is why he wasn't even able to celebrate it properly. There was a guy who beat him last 5 times they faced; who wouldn't be afraid of losing it for the 6th time?

kobulingam
02-25-2007, 01:26 AM
Man I feel sorry for some of your parents.

supertommyhaas
02-25-2007, 01:28 AM
nadal will win but i hope baghdatis wins !!!

sondraj06
02-25-2007, 01:31 AM
An idiot is a person with IQ below 20 if I remember correctly. Since my IQ is above 150 I obviously don't fall into that category, but nice try.

I'm not a Rafa hater, nor a great supporter. There is something called 'a middle' you know.
Also, I can understand proper english quite well; incoherent rants are a different story. It seemed to me you are implying that I'm two-faced dishonest Rafa hater in disguise; if it was a just a joke, it wasn't a particularly funny one.

I know I'm too stiff at times but that's the way I am. Don't provoke me with stuff like that if you don't like the response and we'll go just fine.



Sure, he did choke in a game or two. I said that Roger choked the match away in Rome, as in, the choke made the difference between winning and losing. If you really believe that Nadal has the game to beat Fed on grass and only choking prevented him of doing that or coming close to doing it, then you are more delusional than I thought. Because honey, Federer choked in that Wimby match no less than Nadal. He was scared shitless; he tried so hard to suppress it that he was literally drained emotionally, which is why he wasn't even able to celebrate it properly. There was a guy who beat him last 5 times they faced; who wouldn't be afraid of losing it for the 6th time?


So that would be genius status huh...

Didn't imply anything, like I said I only quoted you because I was agreeing that I would laugh at Fed losing during a final...calm down and reread. Take it slow this time, I know some people have a hard time being pissed and comprehending at the same time.

BOLD- Yep, but then again I couldn't have said it better myself....opps I must of went wrong some where in some post that you read. Your under the impression that I care where we go or how we get there. Sorry give me a minute, i'll go back and correct those mistakes, for you. So you don't get confused next time.

And if you really believe that the fact that he was nervous played no role in him barely winning one set against Fed in the finals you need to rewind your tennis tapes and watch that final again. He played great tennis up until that final and has never played that bad against Fed in the past, I find it hard to believe that it was just Fed's game that took rafa out of his. Fed wasn't afraid he was for once the favorite in a match up against a guy that has beat him what was it at the time 6-1 h2h. On his favorite surface, if anything that was the most confident he would ever be against Nadal.

alsace
02-25-2007, 01:45 AM
Man I feel sorry for some of your parents.


:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

Metis
02-25-2007, 01:46 AM
I know what you meant. To that I replied something like this:

When someone claims that his loss is his own failure, it CAN be just rubbish, but it also CAN be perfectly true. You can't just point to an example where it was indeed rubbish, and think it somehow refutes ANY such claim, particularly the one I made about Federer. See what I mean?

I agree with that but what you implied in your original post was that in Roger's case, if it happens it will only be because of his failure. I suggest you go back and read your post.


Not JUST because of that. Some of those matches were regular beating. Rome wasn't, for example. Neither was Dubai. Even there, Nadal is a bad matchup for Federer, but these issues are not binary, and they certainly aren't all-or-none. If I claim that Federer's shaky psyche influenced his game a lot, I'm not dissing Nadal, and certainly I'm not doing that for all 4 matches at once. Each of them was a separate story.

Of course I understand your point but I happen to disagree with it. And look, you are again using Nadal as an example and obviously thinking it somehow refutes my claim. As if Nadal and Federer were anywhere similar mentally.

If I say that in Rome Fed choked the match away, I'd be very close to the mark. Those missed FH's weren't Nadal's making, they were Fed's. And what do you say to that? Try to refute it by stating that someone might as well say that Nadal choked the Wimby match, and how that would be a stupid thing to say. Surprise! It indeed would be stupid, while the one about Rome in fact wouldn't. What is so hard to understand about it? There are pretty girls and there are not-so-pretty ones. There are matches where someone chokes, and there are matches where someone is simply outplayed. Elementary, my dear Watson.


Again go back and read your original post and you will see it contradicts what you are saying now. Also read my original reply. I am not the one who categorically said the outcome of all those matches was the result of only one reason or another. I simply criticized your saying that losing was only up to Federer. If you want to know, in my opinion Roger did choke in Rome and although Nadal had his chances at Wimbledon he wasn't really in the driver's seat at any point. Basically with the above post you refute your original position and agree with me. :)

PS. Have you seen that Sherlock Holmes spoof where Dr Watson is the actual brains of the team? :haha:

Apemant
02-25-2007, 02:01 AM
So that would be genius status huh...

Not really. Mensa-required IQ of 148 equals 2% of the total population. So it's like 120+ million people. I don't think 120 million people can really be called geniuses, so I'm not one either.


Didn't imply anything, like I said I only quoted you because I was agreeing that I would laugh at Fed losing during a final...calm down and reread. Take it slow this time, I know some people have a hard time being pissed and comprehending at the same time.

Frankly, I don't feel like digging into it again; if you rephrase it I might give it a shot. :D

opps I must of went wrong some where in some post that you read. Your under the impression that I care where we go or how we get there. Sorry give me a minute, i'll go back and correct those mistakes, for you. So you don't get confused next time.

Didn't get confused. I said 'IF you don't like'. It's all up to you. If you prefer flaming each other to being on good terms with each other, then be like that. Heaven forbid that I should tell you what to do.


And if you really believe that the fact that he was nervous played no role in him barely winning one set against Fed in the finals you need to rewind your tennis tapes and watch that final again.

Of course it played a role, where did I deny it? I only said that Fed was nervous as well, in fact he was even more nervous. He was facing a guy who beat him last 5 times. And he is know to be shaky at times, while Nadal was the epitome of confidence. So who do you think was affected more by being nervous?
If they both played relaxed, it would have been a straight setter. Nadal did play some amazing shots, but playing some amazing shots is still not enough to steal a set from Federer in his bot-mode, and on grass.

And again - this is no disrespect to Nadal. Losing in straights to Fed-bot is simply nothing to be ashamed of. Just as losing to Nadal on clay in straight sets is nothing to be ashamed of.

Johnny Groove
02-25-2007, 02:08 AM
my unbiased opinion....

I'm always drunk haven't you read any of my post

o my god, these are priceless :haha:

sondraj06
02-25-2007, 02:09 AM
Frankly, I don't feel like digging into it again; if you rephrase it I might give it a shot. :D

Didn't get confused. I said 'IF you don't like'. It's all up to you. If you prefer flaming each other to being on good terms with each other, then be like that. Heaven forbid that I should tell you what to do.

Of course it played a role, where did I deny it? I only said that Fed was nervous as well, in fact he was even more nervous. He was facing a guy who beat him last 5 times. And he is know to be shaky at times, while Nadal was the epitome of confidence. So who do you think was affected more by being nervous?
If they both played relaxed, it would have been a straight setter. Nadal did play some amazing shots, but playing some amazing shots is still not enough to steal a set from Federer in his bot-mode, and on grass.

And again - this is no disrespect to Nadal. Losing in straights to Fed-bot is simply nothing to be ashamed of. Just as losing to Nadal on clay in straight sets is nothing to be ashamed of.

:boxing: Don't really want you to, to be quit frank.

And if I recall correctly I didn't start the flame war,:armed: then again I never do. :angel:

I don't truly think Fed was more nervous. But I don't really get off in speculating on what goes on in some ones head either. Epitome of confidence...um, a 20 year old kid who had never been to the finals of wimby before, arguable the most important slam of the year. Especially when he expressed his desire of winning that slam over all others. Being one of very few spainards to ever make it to the finals of wimby and going up against not only the best player maybe in history, but definitely on grass at the moment. No, I don't think he was the epitome of confidence at all. I don't think a straight setter would have happen at all. If rafa could take a set off of Fed being that off, what would have happen if he was that on, it would have went to five. IMHO

Apemant
02-25-2007, 02:35 AM
I agree with that but what you implied in your original post was that in Roger's case, if it happens it will only be because of his failure. I suggest you go back and read your post.

Don't take this 'only' too exclusively. It's a figure of speech. What it comes down to is that he has the skill, talent and potential to beat anyone; and that the 'only' question (as in 'the primary one' - other ones are of far lesser importance, thus sort of 'ignorable' compared to the primary one) is will he be able to rise up to the occasion.

Did I forget to mention that it was only my opinion and not a scientific fact? :devil: Silly me.

If you want to know, in my opinion Roger did choke in Rome and although Nadal had his chances at Wimbledon he wasn't really in the driver's seat at any point. Basically with the above post you refute your original position and agree with me. :)

PS. Have you seen that Sherlock Holmes spoof where Dr Watson is the actual brains of the team? :haha:


I'd rather think that we were in agreement to begin with, but had communication problems. :cool:

And yes, I've seen the movie. Great stuff, Caine is hillarious... :D

tennisbuddy12
02-25-2007, 02:37 AM
I have a feeling Rafa will be the RU to Federer

Apemant
02-25-2007, 02:52 AM
:boxing: Don't really want you to, to be quit frank.

And if I recall correctly I didn't start the flame war,:armed: then again I never do. :angel:

All right, let's call it a day. :)

I don't truly think Fed was more nervous. But I don't really get off in speculating on what goes on in some ones head either. Epitome of confidence...um, a 20 year old kid who had never been to the finals of wimby before, arguable the most important slam of the year. Especially when he expressed his desire of winning that slam over all others. Being one of very few spainards to ever make it to the finals of wimby and going up against not only the best player maybe in history, but definitely on grass at the moment. No, I don't think he was the epitome of confidence at all. I don't think a straight setter would have happen at all. If rafa could take a set off of Fed being that off, what would have happen if he was that on, it would have went to five. IMHO

See, you just concentrate on Nadal. Yes, he sure was nervous, esp. in the first set. Way too many UEs for his style. And it's true he is not a robot either. I don't remember I ever denied that.
But I also think Federer's on-court demeanor fools you into thinking he's ice-cold and unshakeable. Several years ago he was known as one of biggest chokers and headcases on the tour. Hard to believe nowadays, right? People were saying that he had amazing talent but doubted he'd ever win anything big because of his fragile mentality and lack of confidence in key moments. Do you really believe he just put all of that aside? No way; under that ice-cold shell there's the same guy inside. He gained a lot of confidence from all those wins, but underneath, that shaky boy just waits to come up to the surface if you dig deep enough; and Nadal did just that, apart from being a general bad match-up for Federer.

And you know, everyone is speculating what goes on in people's heads. When you see people frowning, you 'speculate' that they are probably annoyed with something. And they probably are, indeed. You can sometimes be wrong in guessing what really goes on, but you can hardly avoid making conclusions like that. Is it possible to look into a smiling face without thinking that it must have found something funny? Don't think so. Of course, smiling is a trivial example, but more complex feelings can also be guessed from people's expressions, gestures, behaviour etc. You can't be sure you got it right, but then again, you can't be sure about anything anyway.

sondraj06
02-25-2007, 03:00 AM
All right, let's call it a day. :)

See, you just concentrate on Nadal. Yes, he sure was nervous, esp. in the first set. Way too many UEs for his style. And it's true he is not a robot either. I don't remember I ever denied that.

And you know, everyone is speculating what goes on in people's heads. When you see people frowning, you 'speculate' that they are probably annoyed with something. And they probably are, indeed. You can sometimes be wrong in guessing what really goes on, but you can hardly avoid making conclusions like that. Is it possible to look into a smiling face without thinking that it must have found something funny? Don't think so. Of course, smiling is a trivial example, but more complex feelings can also be guessed from people's expressions, gestures, behaviour etc. You can't be sure you got it right, but then again, you can't be sure about anything anyway.

I only concentrate on Nadal because Fed won. It's nadal's game that is question here. I'm not saying Fed wasn't nervous, I just don't think Fed was in a position to be more nervous than Rafa, that's all. And even if Fed was the least bit nervous he was able to pull through those nerves to win the match. It's really a question of who did the better job of over-coming those nerves, this time. And I do think that's obvious with the way Rafa played.

Now that being said I don't think it's always nerves, he won't be able to use that excuse this year. Once you have the experience under you feet, it's nothing left for you to do other than push through mentally and if you can't hack it, then that's what you chalk it up to. Not being able to manage yourself under pressure. Ask Blake he knows all about it. The mental is just as much apart of this game as the games itself. So we'll see how far Rafa gets this year on grass.

adee-gee
02-25-2007, 07:42 AM
Well you put a picture of Berdych with his coach after his shattering DC loss to Roddick, doesn't make you any better than that. :)
:spit:

So I can't rub a few people on MTF's nose in it when one of my favourite players beats one of my least favourite players, especially after being ridiculed constantly about his ability on the surface and the fact he hasn't got a hope in hell? Are you seriously telling me that's as bad as celebrating when a player gets injured?

Action Jackson
02-25-2007, 07:45 AM
:spit:

So I can't rub a few people on MTF's nose in it when one of my favourite players beats one of my least favourite players, especially after being ridiculed constantly about his ability on the surface and the fact he hasn't got a hope in hell? Are you seriously telling me that's as bad as celebrating when a player gets injured?

Some people were loving it when Federer got injured when he rolled his ankle in Basel. There are people who celebrate these happenings.

adee-gee
02-25-2007, 08:03 AM
Some people were loving it when Federer got injured when he rolled his ankle in Basel. There are people who celebrate these happenings.
Maybe I've got a selective memory, but I don't remember seeing that :shrug:

yemok
02-25-2007, 08:22 AM
Ha Nadal with another difficult draw. If he gets past baggy he wont get past Berdych or Youzhny. On for my predicition still of Nadal out of top 5 by the end of the year :rocker:

only if ATP decides to cancel the claycourt season ;)
and just for the record - Bagdo will go through in Dubai!

:rocker2:

Action Jackson
02-25-2007, 08:23 AM
Maybe I've got a selective memory, but I don't remember seeing that :shrug:

Who was celebrating Nadal getting injured? You wouldn't see it anyway, cause of your anti-Fed views.

rafagirlno1
02-25-2007, 08:45 AM
rafa would win . rafa is the best and better thn fed. last year it started hear and this year also rafa will win crushing fed in the final 6/0 6/0.
vamos rafa :worship:

RonE
02-25-2007, 08:47 AM
rafa would win . rafa is the best and better thn fed. last year it started hear and this year also rafa will win crushing fed in the final 6/0 6/0.
vamos rafa :worship:

They just keep rolling out of the woodworks :rolls:

kindablue
02-25-2007, 08:52 AM
rafa would win . rafa is the best and better thn fed. last year it started hear and this year also rafa will win crushing fed in the final 6/0 6/0.
vamos rafa :worship:

Excellent first post :devil:

RonE
02-25-2007, 08:59 AM
rafa won australian open if he was not injured . he lost at us open and shangui , wimbledon also because injured . rafa looks so hot also fed is just boring and is winning because of fluke .

Oboy, we are going to have some fun with this new fish. :lol:

Welcome to MTF :devil:

Naranoc
02-25-2007, 09:08 AM
Oboy, we are going to have some fun with this new fish. :lol:

Welcome to MTF :devil:

:tape:

Perfect username too :lol:

stebs
02-25-2007, 10:29 AM
Oboy, we are going to have some fun with this new fish. :lol:

Welcome to MTF :devil:

Look at one of her posts in another thread:

"nobody likes fed . he is over hpyped !!! he can never win french open because of the my rafa !!!
vamos !!1!"

:lol:

stebs
02-25-2007, 10:31 AM
fucking Stebs..
what is with that guy...
i think he is a fed fan who is always sucking up to the rafatards, what an ass kissing phony.

I'm sorry Escude. I should've kept my eyes on the prize and been 100% commited to the war that we're involved in. :lol:

Calm down, sorry that I don't hate Rafa and happen to try and be objective. I would suck up to the Rafatards but they've nothing to give me so no can do there. Anyway, you may be in luck. What with the exciting arrival of Rafagirlno1 it may be time for me to change my opinion.

yana
02-25-2007, 11:07 AM
Henin won the WTA version.... not good,
everytime she wins a title at a certain venue = Rafa follows
:p
dubai clay again :rolleyes:


I hope you're right. ;)

Castafiore
02-25-2007, 11:53 AM
rafagirlno1...oh look, there's a new toy in MTF!

The timing of the first post and the thread this poster started to post in makes me wonder if this is not an alias of somebody just trying to stir things up.

On TW, a very similar poster was trolling her little heart out.

adee-gee
02-25-2007, 01:17 PM
Just as I was defending Rafa fans, this fruitcake comes along :spit: :help:

shotgun
02-25-2007, 01:19 PM
:spit:

So I can't rub a few people on MTF's nose in it when one of my favourite players beats one of my least favourite players, especially after being ridiculed constantly about his ability on the surface and the fact he hasn't got a hope in hell? Are you seriously telling me that's as bad as celebrating when a player gets injured?

There's a big difference between that avatar and, for example, an avatar of Nadal kicking Federer's ass, because the latter, 1- has a player you're a fan of on it, 2- has its humorous value. Say what you want, but your Berdych avatar had no intention other than offending Berdych fans, rather than celebrating a Roddick win. The same goes for the avatars with Nadal with his trainer after the Guccione match. I won't go into the injury matter but it's obvious that the Nadal loss to Guccione was much less important for his fans than the Berdych loss to Roddick was for Berdych's fans.

Of course you're not the only one that does it, and I personally don't have a big problem with this kind of thing, but since you decided to play the sensitive card, I felt it was necessary to point out the hypocrisy in your statement. :)

adee-gee
02-25-2007, 01:35 PM
There's a big difference between that avatar and, for example, an avatar of Nadal kicking Federer's ass, because the latter, 1- has a player you're a fan of on it, 2- has its humorous value. Say what you want, but your Berdych avatar had no intention other than offending Berdych fans, rather than celebrating a Roddick win. The same goes for the avatars with Nadal with his trainer after the Guccione match. I won't go into the injury matter but it's obvious that the Nadal loss to Guccione was much less important for his fans than the Berdych loss to Roddick was for Berdych's fans.

Of course you're not the only one that does it, and I personally don't have a big problem with this kind of thing, but since you decided to play the sensitive card, I felt it was necessary to point out the hypocrisy in your statement. :)
As I said, I have no problem with banter and winding up fans, I haven't criticised the piggy roasting thread once and Ron's little Rafabusters picture in here was pretty funny. I have absolutely no problem with that and admit I do it myself.

The only point I was making is that some of the hate towards Nadal on here goes beyond a joke, and has reached the point of being pretty sick.

andreas.
02-25-2007, 01:37 PM
It will be tough for Marcos, but this time he will beat Nadal. I hope!

RickDaStick
02-25-2007, 01:38 PM
Rafa will need to play his best match of the year to take a set of Bag Daddy.

Corey Feldman
02-25-2007, 01:47 PM
I'm sorry Escude.I should've kept my eyes on the prize and been 100% commited to the war that we're involved in. :lol: Apology accepted

;)

scoobs
02-25-2007, 01:49 PM
If Safin is the Daddy Mack, does that make Baghdatis the Daddy Bag? :)

Corey Feldman
02-25-2007, 01:51 PM
rafa won australian open if he was not injured . he lost at us open and shangui , wimbledon also because injured . rafa looks so hot also fed is just boring and is winning because of fluke .:kiss:

Clara Bow
02-25-2007, 02:06 PM
rafagirlno1...oh look, there's a new toy in MTF!

The timing of the first post and the thread this poster started to post in makes me wonder if this is not an alias of somebody just trying to stir things up.

On TW, a very similar poster was trolling her little heart out.

I think you could be correct. Perhaps it is someone who wants to make all fans of Rafael look bad. :)

If Safin is the Daddy Mack, does that make Baghdatis the Daddy Bag?

I have seen him referred to as the Bag-Daddy. :)

I imagine that with Youzhny winning a title today- he will be coming into Dubai with a lot of confidence. He could be the real danger in this quarter for Rafa.

scoobs
02-25-2007, 02:12 PM
I think you could be correct. Perhaps it is someone who wants to make all fans of Rafael look bad. :)



I have seen him referred to as the Bag-Daddy. :)

I imagine that with Youzhny winning a title today- he will be coming into Dubai with a lot of confidence. He could be the real danger in this quarter for Rafa.
Agreed re Youzhny though the question will be how tired he is, he has to hop on a flight down to Dubai later today and could be in action on Tuesday - it's not a long time to savour the victory and get mentally up again for the next tournament.

Even so, Berdych also in that quarter really is bad enough for Nadal.

RonE
02-25-2007, 02:16 PM
Agreed re Youzhny though the question will be how tired he is, he has to hop on a flight down to Dubai later today and could be in action on Tuesday - it's not a long time to savour the victory and get mentally up again for the next tournament.

Even so, Berdych also in that quarter really is bad enough for Nadal.

If I had to wager money I would have to say Berdych would be the more favoured out of the two to come out of that section and meet Nadal in the QF precisely for the reason you stated.

scoobs
02-25-2007, 02:17 PM
If I had to wager money I would have to say Berdych would be the more favoured out of the two to come out of that section and meet Nadal in the QF precisely for the reason you stated.
Still, Berdych has also proven himself to be pretty useless so far this year.

Him making it to the quarters is definitely not a done deal.

Clara Bow
02-25-2007, 02:18 PM
Even so, Berdych also in that quarter really is bad enough for Nadal.

True- as Tomas really has his number and always has good confidence when playing Nadal. But if Misha is not too tired and is playing well (and I realize that is a big if)- he could have a good chance against Tomas and if he plays Rafa he could also carry the confidence of winning their last encounter.

And that's if Rafa is able to get past Baghdatis and then maybe Andreev. There are several dangerous players for Rafa in his quarter. If he makes it through I will be very pleased for him.

World Beater
02-25-2007, 02:33 PM
again blame the fedtards.... yes there are a few who go on a bit, but even in my unbiased opinion....ALL fanbases have 'those types' and all say stuff about Nadal.
big deal, just as much said about fed, ljubo, a-rod.
top players get made fun of by everyone around MTF/rivals fans, simple as that.. no need for the sensitive pansies to cry about it, especially when they themselves dish it out to players they dont exactly support.
every tard tends to think their guy gets it worse, everyone is as bad as each other :lol:

co-sign.

there are the tards and then the outright homers, the next level of tardism.

scoobs
02-25-2007, 02:36 PM
True- as Tomas really has his number and always has good confidence when playing Nadal. But if Misha is not too tired and is playing well (and I realize that is a big if)- he could have a good chance against Tomas and if he plays Rafa he could also carry the confidence of winning their last encounter.

And that's if Rafa is able to get past Baghdatis and then maybe Andreev. There are several dangerous players for Rafa in his quarter. If he makes it through I will be very pleased for him.
Absolutely - there are too many of these players around for his best hope to be avoiding them, it's time to find some solutions to beat them.

Edith09
02-25-2007, 02:57 PM
tough first round for both, I tip Nadal to win

screaminhead
02-25-2007, 03:02 PM
when was Nadal's last tournament? I hope he wins though:)

scoobs
02-25-2007, 03:05 PM
when was Nadal's last tournament? I hope he wins though:)
He hasn't played since the Australian Open

sondraj06
02-25-2007, 03:30 PM
There's a big difference between that avatar and, for example, an avatar of Nadal kicking Federer's ass, because the latter, 1- has a player you're a fan of on it, 2- has its humorous value. Say what you want, but your Berdych avatar had no intention other than offending Berdych fans, rather than celebrating a Roddick win. The same goes for the avatars with Nadal with his trainer after the Guccione match. I won't go into the injury matter but it's obvious that the Nadal loss to Guccione was much less important for his fans than the Berdych loss to Roddick was for Berdych's fans.

Of course you're not the only one that does it, and I personally don't have a big problem with this kind of thing, but since you decided to play the sensitive card, I felt it was necessary to point out the hypocrisy in your statement. :)


I have to agree here. And it's not that I'm sensitive at all, try that card with some one else. But Some of the stuff that said seems to come from a place of pure hate. And not saying everyone, some Fed fans are great, love em to death makes my experience on this board peachy cream. Other ones.... so yeah I have a quip with every now and again....Glenn, Escude, Ljubo it's nothing big, have fun doing it and will have fun rubbing their faces in Rafa's win, when he does. But some post are like come on now.. really you dedicate you whole internet world to a guy you claim to hate. Like that and nothing against Ron E. but the pig and the little chant. Now I don't go into the piggy roasting thread because I know what's there I can choose to click it or not. But the avatar, I remember I told my mom about the piggy roasting thread and why his haters call him a pig, and she was like some people can be so cruel. But I get humour at the expensive of other that's why I like south park, but the thing is that is funny, and I don't particularly see a lot of the hatred that goes on towards Rafa funny, but that just me. And a fan can be a fan if they want to. So what if you want to label him/here a rafatard then do that, there are still plenty of Fedtards lurking around, I'm sure she/he can handle her/himself

sondraj06
02-25-2007, 03:58 PM
Hey I just had this great thought. O.K so before you try and flame me for this, hear me out. How about everyone for just one week or how every long the Dubai tournament is, put aside their differences. I mean Fed fans, Rafa supporters, and everyone who would normally call for the early dismissal of Rafael, come together and support Rafa getting to the final. O.K I know that's a big one here, but think about. How much fun have tournaments been really with the absence of the Rafa/Fed rivalry going into them. Just like another thread suggested there has been a lot of false hope for some one to come along and dethrone Fed. And to say the least it has been well less than entertaining. I mean Gonzo going into the final was the most excited I've been about a final in well about 9 months. Then he actually got there and one set later I was back asleep. So for the sake of the entertainment of tennis, lets just go for a Fed/Rafa final. I mean come on we haven't seen one in a long time. And I know it would serve as some good commentary here. If Rafa loses then that brings their h2h closer, Fed fans have another win to throw in Rafa supporters faces. And if Rafa wins well between me and adee-gee you know what will happen, so come one. Lets all throw out good vibes for Rafa just this week after that you all can cleanse your souls, and rejoin the cult of Rafa go down. And not to say that some one can't still make funnies at the expense of rafa. Now a MTF without the occasional Rafa quip wouldn't be much of a MTF at all now would it. But for the tournament, lets give good vibes for a Fed/Rafa match up. Everybody comes out the winner in this one.... until the finals that is muwhahahah.

mallorn
02-25-2007, 04:18 PM
I'm afraid that's not true. I have seen Roger hating posters who clearly say that they HOPE Roger will get injured so that it will be easier for their player. This is not just Rafa fans but nevertheless, that's the way it has been in the past. Right now, there are far more idiots who are Fed fans than their Nadal counterparts. Can't be denied, there are a few Rafa ones coming up through the ranks though. Andre's #1 fan and Sondraj and doing a pretty decent job tbh.
I think we would both agree with Escude that all fanbases have 'those types' and, like you also wrote, Roger hating posters aren't necessarily Rafa fans (*cough Jogy cough*). I know it's sometimes difficult to keep track of which troll said what (although the nastiest posts tend to stay in my head in vivid detail). I certainly believe you when you say you remember such injury-wishing posts, although I must have missed them - maybe I didn't read the right threads.

As for actually gloating about an injury, during my time on MTF Roger was injured once, before Basel 2005. I just went through the thread about it, and there were three posts which said it was good news because the winner of Madrid and Paris would be unpredictable. There were also a few people who initially questioned if the injury was real (including, yes you guessed it, Jogy ;) ). I couldn't see any people being very nasty about the injury or celebrating it.

The "fruitcake" (as Adee nicely put it) has troll written all over her/him. :rolleyes:

Sondraj, come back to earth. ;)

Johnny Groove
02-25-2007, 04:24 PM
Hey I just had this great thought. O.K so before you try and flame me for this, hear me out. How about everyone for just one week or how every long the Dubai tournament is, put aside their differences. I mean Fed fans, Rafa supporters, and everyone who would normally call for the early dismissal of Rafael, come together and support Rafa getting to the final. O.K I know that's a big one here, but think about. How much fun have tournaments been really with the absence of the Rafa/Fed rivalry going into them. Just like another thread suggested there has been a lot of false hope for some one to come along and dethrone Fed. And to say the least it has been well less than entertaining. I mean Gonzo going into the final was the most excited I've been about a final in well about 9 months. Then he actually got there and one set later I was back asleep. So for the sake of the entertainment of tennis, lets just go for a Fed/Rafa final. I mean come on we haven't seen one in a long time. And I know it would serve as some good commentary here. If Rafa loses then that brings their h2h closer, Fed fans have another win to throw in Rafa supporters faces. And if Rafa wins well between me and adee-gee you know what will happen, so come one. Lets all throw out good vibes for Rafa just this week after that you all can cleanse your souls, and rejoin the cult of Rafa go down. And not to say that some one can't still make funnies at the expense of rafa. Now a MTF without the occasional Rafa quip wouldn't be much of a MTF at all now would it. But for the tournament, lets give good vibes for a Fed/Rafa match up. Everybody comes out the winner in this one.... until the finals that is muwhahahah.

:zzz:

I think we would both agree with Escude that all fanbases have 'those types' and, like you also wrote, Roger hating posters aren't necessarily Rafa fans (*cough Jogy cough*). I know it's sometimes difficult to keep track of which troll said what (although the nastiest posts tend to stay in my head in vivid detail). I certainly believe you when you say you remember such injury-wishing posts, although I must have missed them - maybe I didn't read the right threads.

As for actually gloating about an injury, during my time on MTF Roger was injured once, before Basel 2005. I just went through the thread about it, and there were three posts which said it was good news because the winner of Madrid and Paris would be unpredictable. There were also a few people who initially questioned if the injury was real (including, yes you guessed it, Jogy ;) ). I couldn't see any people being very nasty about the injury or celebrating it.

The "fruitcake" (as Adee nicely put it) has troll written all over her/him. :rolleyes:

Sondraj, come back to earth. ;)

:yeah:

sondraj06
02-25-2007, 04:25 PM
Sondraj, come back to earth. ;)

It could happen...people just need to realize the benefits in it, for all parties :aparty:

sondraj06
02-25-2007, 04:27 PM
:zzz:





Hey Rafa supporter, if anybody should be with me here it should be you guys. Didn't think I would have to fight with you before I got the the Fed supporter. Your making my job a lot harder than it has to be :boxing:

Johnny Groove
02-25-2007, 04:32 PM
Hey Rafa supporter, if anybody should be with me here it should be you guys. Didn't think I would have to fight with you before I got the the Fed supporter. Your making my job a lot harder than it has to be :boxing:

:rolleyes: its not gonna happen. and even if it does, it would bore people to death. how would you like to go through a thread reading only: "congrats Federer, another nice victory. so sad for Rafa. he worked very hard to beat berdych. hopefully he can get his game back for IW/Miami and the clay season"? SNOOOOOOOZE!!!!!

I would rather read: "Nadal is such a clown. only got by berdych because he was inured and fed didnt play his best. if ljubo was in Dubai, he woulda kicked rafa's ass, no doubt. he cant stay in the top 10, he'll lose his RG crown and he needs to stop pickin his ass and shouting vamos!"

Andre'sNo1Fan
02-25-2007, 04:32 PM
But some post are like come on now.. really you dedicate you whole internet world to a guy you claim to hate. Like that and nothing against Ron E. but the pig and the little chant. Now I don't go into the piggy roasting thread because I know what's there I can choose to click it or not. But the avatar, I remember I told my mom about the piggy roasting thread and why his haters call him a pig, and she was like some people can be so cruel.
I agree with you totally with that point. Its like people like RonE are so totally obsessed with Nadal, that they just keep away from thinking about them :lol:

Now clearly RonE is a Federer fans, and feels threatened by Rafa, but to go to the lengths he does just to hate, shows the kind of human being he is. I don't mind hating like Glenn Miryni, I mean he keeps his hate just on tennis, but the other crap is pointless and out of order.

UncleZeke
02-25-2007, 04:36 PM
tough draw for Baggie. hoped he would have gotten easier 1st Rd. match.

sondraj06
02-25-2007, 04:39 PM
:rolleyes: its not gonna happen. and even if it does, it would bore people to death. how would you like to go through a thread reading only: "congrats Federer, another nice victory. so sad for Rafa. he worked very hard to beat berdych. hopefully he can get his game back for IW/Miami and the clay season"? SNOOOOOOOZE!!!!!

I would rather read: "Nadal is such a clown. only got by berdych because he was inured and fed didnt play his best. if ljubo was in Dubai, he woulda kicked rafa's ass, no doubt. he cant stay in the top 10, he'll lose his RG crown and he needs to stop pickin his ass and shouting vamos!"

No,no, no your not understanding me. I don't mind if people criticize rafa i said that, "what type of MTF would this be without the occasional rafa quip", but when it comes to the kind of so called cheering threads everyone can throw in a little support on the side of rafa to get to the finals. And for fed fans that shouldn't be to hard, unless they really like another player he is going up against because we all know federer is locked for the final. When they get to the final all beats are off. And this really actually allows for some great trash talk about the other player. Whoever wins, it will make for a good gloat fest around here.

yana
02-25-2007, 04:52 PM
:rolleyes: its not gonna happen. and even if it does, it would bore people to death. how would you like to go through a thread reading only: "congrats Federer, another nice victory. so sad for Rafa. he worked very hard to beat berdych. hopefully he can get his game back for IW/Miami and the clay season"? SNOOOOOOOZE!!!!!

I would rather read: "Nadal is such a clown. only got by berdych because he was inured and fed didnt play his best. if ljubo was in Dubai, he woulda kicked rafa's ass, no doubt. he cant stay in the top 10, he'll lose his RG crown and he needs to stop pickin his ass and shouting vamos!"

you're right, GM is more fun with these little "wars". :p

RonE
02-25-2007, 05:02 PM
I agree with you totally with that point. Its like people like RonE are so totally obsessed with Nadal, that they just keep away from thinking about them :lol:

Now clearly RonE is a Federer fans, and feels threatened by Rafa, but to go to the lengths he does just to hate, shows the kind of human being he is. I don't mind hating like Glenn Miryni, I mean he keeps his hate just on tennis, but the other crap is pointless and out of order.

I love you too, sweetheart :hug:

My fanbase just keeps on growing and growing :kiss: :D

Loremaster
02-25-2007, 05:09 PM
Nadal in straights his game match up well with Baggy and he has 5 striaght sets winning streak over Baggy :devil:

FluffyYellowBall
02-25-2007, 06:06 PM
Despite his "bumpy patch" baghdatis should trouble nadal at all although it will be really upsetting to see either player lose in the 1st rounnd :(

Andre'sNo1Fan
02-25-2007, 06:15 PM
I love you too, sweetheart :hug:

My fanbase just keeps on growing and growing :kiss: :D
RONE=RAFA LOVA :D

guga2120
02-25-2007, 07:21 PM
Now clearly RonE is a Federer fans, and feels threatened by Rafa

this is very clear.

oz_boz
02-26-2007, 10:20 AM
:spit: are you shittin me? Maybe for 2 months outta the year in 06, and for a good chunk of 05, but EVERY WAKING SECOND other than that? Rafa bashing and Fed worshipping. The comparison is NOT EVEN FUCKING CLOSE.

Come on Blaze, it's not rocket science as GWH would have said.

According to your memory, 2 months of 06 and some of 05 was dedicated to Fed bashing, the rest of the time the Rafa haters had the upper hand. Could it have something to do with each player's success? :scratch: Not that hard to figure out, no?

It would certainly be the other way around if Nadal was the dominator with Fed getting good results during a limited period of the season. Just wait until Fed loses his stranglehold of the #1.

As for the draw, huge opening round for Nadal, but he will beat Baggy in straights again. Nadal's draw certainly is pretty tough, but the mandatory comments about Federer's half being "easy" are wrong as usual. What would have made it harder, apart from Nadal being there which is obviously impossible? Haas and Davydenko are probably the ones in the draw that can give Roger most trouble and both are on his side.

jayjay
02-26-2007, 10:24 AM
:rolleyes: its not gonna happen. and even if it does, it would bore people to death. how would you like to go through a thread reading only: "congrats Federer, another nice victory. so sad for Rafa. he worked very hard to beat berdych. hopefully he can get his game back for IW/Miami and the clay season"? SNOOOOOOOZE!!!!!

I would rather read: "Nadal is such a clown. only got by berdych because he was inured and fed didnt play his best. if ljubo was in Dubai, he woulda kicked rafa's ass, no doubt. he cant stay in the top 10, he'll lose his RG crown and he needs to stop pickin his ass and shouting vamos!"

You don't think the second paragraph of what you just said is as equally tiresome and tedious as the first paragraph? Seriously?

Castafiore
02-26-2007, 11:03 AM
Could it have something to do with each player's success? :scratch: Not that hard to figure out, no?
You mean when Federer was bashed more often during last year's clay court season and Nadal got bashed more often in the second part of 2006? It's easier to criticize and make fun of a defeat, right?
Sure, it's one part of the explanation but not the entire one. The winner is always right, as they say.

However, this happened as well in 2005 when both Rafa and Roger won one tournament after the other. The bashing is not strictly linked to defeat.

RonE
02-26-2007, 12:35 PM
RONE=RAFA LOVA :D

I mean, to say I am on a higher plain than even GlennMirnyi that is quite a phenominal accomplishment. Honestly I am flattered :worship: :D

And yet, even with this stamp of approval I am still not on Escude's list of fellow Rafa bashers :awww:

oz_boz
02-26-2007, 01:00 PM
You mean when Federer was bashed more often during last year's clay court season and Nadal got bashed more often in the second part of 2006? It's easier to criticize and make fun of a defeat, right?
Sure, it's one part of the explanation but not the entire one. The winner is always right, as they say.

However, this happened as well in 2005 when both Rafa and Roger won one tournament after the other. The bashing is not strictly linked to defeat.

You're right of course, bashing doesn't come strictly because of defeat, you have to be successful to a certain extent to have haters. But apart from that it's really not surprising that bashing Fed was more in fashion last spring, while Nadal has been ridiculed more since the Wimbly final.

My point was the reason Nadal has been bashed more than Fed is not that his haters are of a worse kind. But of course the tards will keep on blaming each other.

calvinhobbes
02-27-2007, 01:33 AM
Now is the winter of our discontent
Made glorious summer by this sun of Fed......

I see the entire praetorian ward of Emperor Rogerius (Baghdatis, Berdichius,Michailus), armed with their virgula retiaria and ready to forbid pass (passus et sepultus erit) to the Nativitas Natum Nadalius. It is the dream of every tenisticus fan to live this monumental saga, even in partibus infidelium . . . . :devil: :devil: :devil: :cool:

jcempire
02-27-2007, 01:48 AM
Nadal is going to win.

The_Nadal_effect
02-27-2007, 02:14 PM
Now is the winter of our discontent
Made glorious summer by this sun of Fed......

I see the entire praetorian ward of Emperor Rogerius (Baghdatis, Berdichius,Michailus), armed with their virgula retiaria and ready to forbid pass (passus et sepultus erit) to the Nativitas Natum Nadalius. It is the dream of every tenisticus fan to live this monumental saga, even in partibus infidelium . . . . :devil: :devil: :devil: :cool:

Smoking guns! Which era are we in?:confused:

johnnylad
02-27-2007, 02:35 PM
Baggy 2-0 Nadal first set

Xristos
02-27-2007, 02:37 PM
Vammmoooooossssss Rafa!

NadalMachine
02-27-2007, 03:59 PM
Baggy is not mentally strong enough to topple Rafa even though he got skills to do it.

superandy88
06-22-2007, 02:47 PM
Nadal will make it to the third round where he will lose to Berdych or Youzhny.:D


I was right!!!:cool:

rocketassist
06-22-2007, 02:49 PM
Another strange bumping of a thread to add to the Murray def Mirnyi thread from Notts last year.

keqtqiadv
06-22-2007, 02:50 PM
:cuckoo: