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What happened to Roddick?

General Suburbia
02-24-2007, 06:36 AM
Please tell me it isn't just me.

A few months ago, he was creating a game that focused more and more on volleying. He was slowly progressing in that area, especially with his approach shots.

Fast forward to today, and he looks like an even worse player than he did before the US Open series. His approach shots are ridiculously stupid, and all the progress he seemed to have made in his game after Connors seems gone. Maybe it's just me, but was the "new Roddick" just some stupid illusion?

What really gets me is that he was playing great a few months ago, and now...just isn't.

The_Nadal_effect
02-24-2007, 07:00 AM
Please tell me it isn't just me.

No its not just you:( . Roddick would like to believe that he's on a song, but take away that first serve and his post-match humour and he's got nothing. Among the Americans, I think Blake had (considering his present form) a better game.


Fast forward to today, and he looks like an even worse player than he did before the US Open series. His approach shots are ridiculously stupid, and all the progress he seemed to have made in his game after Connors seems gone. Maybe it's just me, but was the "new Roddick" just some stupid illusion?

What really gets me is that he was playing great a few months ago, and now...just isn't.

I held some hope for him after Kooyong classic when he won against Roger, and was expecting more fuel at AO, but after Roger's whiplash on him at the semi's, there was nothing left to say of his improvement. Unless he doesn't stop worshipping Federer before and after every match, he's going to be runover again and again.

Off the court, I'd like to think that he's paying more attention to Sharapova than Conners;) . Lets see how he fares against Murray?

Marek.
02-24-2007, 07:17 AM
Unless he doesn't stop worshipping Federer before and after every match, he's going to be runover again and again.

I don't see how he exactly worships Federer. You're thinking more of Blake then Roddick. Roddick went into that AO match with some belief he could beat Federer but there was nothing he could do that day, Fed was just too good.

The_Nadal_effect
02-24-2007, 07:52 AM
I don't see how he exactly worships Federer. You're thinking more of Blake then Roddick. Roddick went into that AO match with some belief he could beat Federer but there was nothing he could do that day, Fed was just too good.

A-Rod goes into every match against Fed saluting him, or is it my imagination, tell me. Reverence towards the near-immaculate is good, but the very point of playing a game and having an opponent is to win or improve. Roddick goes into a match against FEd as though prepared for an apocalypse. Fed already wins psychologically before the match. You are saying that Roddick went into the match with belief; no sir, that's for the papers. Rod hopes for a slim chance, if Fed gives him one. That's his mental state.

Blake does this too, perhaps not as much as Roddick (because the media pins him down as the Fed-duck) but both are the same. In that respect Blake is better.:wavey:

stebs
02-24-2007, 08:51 AM
A-Rod goes into every match against Fed saluting him, or is it my imagination, tell me. Reverence towards the near-immaculate is good, but the very point of playing a game and having an opponent is to win or improve.

Yep, your imagination. Roddick definately went into the last AO match with belief. He was very fired up and was ready to take it to Federer. That's why many people thought it would be a close match. I think Roddick is actually one of the guys who is frustrated by Federer.

stebs
02-24-2007, 08:52 AM
Blake does this too, perhaps not as much as Roddick (because the media pins him down as the Fed-duck) but both are the same. In that respect Blake is better.:wavey:
Oh, and you've got this a bit muddled as far as I can see. Blake is probably the guy on tour who gives Federer the most respect and right now Roddick doesn't give him too much.

Although this is just my opinion it is pretty obvious to see when looking at their most recent matches and I'm pretty sure most tennis followers will agree with me.

partygirl
02-24-2007, 08:55 AM
Learning is a process and some days are better than others, nobodys perfect.
Don't give up on him & write him off....Andy is nothing if not a hard worker.

A year or 2 ago he would have never mentioned point construction, at least in his press from this tourney he said that is what he was trying to do, he just couldn't figure out how & failed at it.

the thing about tennis (especially if you win the match) is you always get to try again:)...well untill your like 29 or something.

Dancing Hero
02-24-2007, 09:44 AM
Roddick is still a threat in tournaments, he just can't get past Federer when they meet and if you can't do that, you're going home. It must be frustrating to keep losing to the same player every time you meet and this probably carries over to other events.

Roddick had been in good shape in the AO, beating dangerous players like Safin and Ancic and having the exhibition win over Federer at the start of the year. Then Federer goes out and blasts Roddick off the court in the semi to make sure Andy doesn't go getting any ideas that he can start to change their rivalry. Federer is just too good for Andy at this point in time and Fed is always there in the GS when it matters.

adee-gee
02-24-2007, 09:48 AM
Confidence.

euroka1
02-24-2007, 11:23 AM
Are you there in Memphis, Jimmy Connors?
Andy Roddick needs you today.:smash:

Apemant
02-24-2007, 11:31 AM
Well, I guess ARod was a bit down after AO. It must be tough to come to a match full of confidence, only to bump into a Fed in God-mode and get humiliated like that. It was only the 3rd bagel of his entire career... he doesn't let just anyone bagel him, only really tough guys; Hewitt once and Fed twice. So that must have hurt badly. The question is, is he capable of making peace with the fact that he's helpless against Fed, and be happy with the position of #2 contender at best? For natural champions who grew up with the ambition of being on the top all the time, it must be extremely tough. I don't think many people are so unhappy when Fed destroys them - they just consider it pretty much given. Most of them don't see themselves as #1 even in their wildest dreams, as long as Federer is around and healthy.

jazar
02-24-2007, 11:42 AM
fact is he is a shit volleyer so he cant base his game around that

guille&tati4life
02-24-2007, 11:50 AM
I think Roddick is playing better than almost anyone on the tour right now.

Byrd
02-24-2007, 11:57 AM
The thing with Roddick is that throughout his life his game has always been effective, and to use the term 'if it isn't broken don't fix it' comes to term. Then Fed and now recently Murray have come to the scene and this so called term doesn't apply anymore, so hes had to go to a whole different approach, something alot different to his usual game which takes time to get used to. In roddicks case, I don't think his volleying and approach shots are sufficient enough yet, thats why he is kind of in a transitional period at the moment and most vulnerable to players like Fed and Murray who are bad match-ups. Though at least he's trying to change his game, Nadal should take note of this situation.

nobama
02-24-2007, 12:44 PM
A-Rod goes into every match against Fed saluting him, or is it my imagination, tell me. Reverence towards the near-immaculate is good, but the very point of playing a game and having an opponent is to win or improve. Roddick goes into a match against FEd as though prepared for an apocalypse. Fed already wins psychologically before the match. You are saying that Roddick went into the match with belief; no sir, that's for the papers. Rod hopes for a slim chance, if Fed gives him one. That's his mental state.

Blake does this too, perhaps not as much as Roddick (because the media pins him down as the Fed-duck) but both are the same. In that respect Blake is better.:wavey:Blake does it less than Roddick? Are you kidding? Roddick isn't the one gushing in interviews about Roger and how he's better than Tiger Woods, Michael Jordan, ect.

nobama
02-24-2007, 12:49 PM
Maybe he needs to go back to the 1-2 punch. Get the big fh back. I just don't ever see him being great at net and anyway the guys just return and pass too well today.

scoobs
02-24-2007, 01:00 PM
It's a bit soon for this post-mortem, I think - he and Connors have only been at it for 6 months and I think the AO Federer match has shaken Roddick's confidence a bit. But I think he'll get it back and still be a dangerous player to most of the draw.

mickymouse
02-24-2007, 01:10 PM
Nothing happened to Roddick. He only loses routinely to Federer, whom he bumps into frequently because he plays well.

DrJules
02-24-2007, 01:38 PM
Roddick is still a threat in tournaments, he just can't get past Federer when they meet and if you can't do that, you're going home. It must be frustrating to keep losing to the same player every time you meet and this probably carries over to other events.

Roddick had been in good shape in the AO, beating dangerous players like Safin and Ancic and having the exhibition win over Federer at the start of the year. Then Federer goes out and blasts Roddick off the court in the semi to make sure Andy doesn't go getting any ideas that he can start to change their rivalry. Federer is just too good for Andy at this point in time and Fed is always there in the GS when it matters.

Nothing happened to Roddick. He only loses routinely to Federer, whom he bumps into frequently because he plays well.

Very true.

Roddick possibly more than any other player has continually had his ambitions threatened by one player. Without Federer, Roddick possibly would have won 5 grand slams in his career by now and been the dominant player of the last 3-4years. He has reached 4 grand slam finals and lost 3 all to Federer, and has lost in 4 semi-finals losing 2 times to Federer.

Comparing the grand slam performances of Roddick and Nadal, Roddick has been much more consistent. Nadal may have ended the year number 2 for the second time, but has only 1 time gone beyond the quarter finals at a grand slam away from the French Open. While Nadal has shown little away from the French Open, Roddick has performed strongly away from the US Open at both the Wimbledon and Australian Open:

http://www.tenniscorner.net/index.php?corner=m&action=highlight&playerid=ROA001

http://www.tenniscorner.net/index.php?corner=m&action=highlight&playerid=NAR004

The_Nadal_effect
02-24-2007, 01:39 PM
Blake does it less than Roddick? Are you kidding? Roddick isn't the one gushing in interviews about Roger and how he's better than Tiger Woods, Michael Jordan, ect.

Lol ! Maybe Blake does it too. Maybe both of them salute him to and fro.

Personally, I found Gonsalez mental strength in the final of AO to be more solid than Roddick in the semis. Both lost to FEd, but Gonzo had more steel in the end. I liked the way he put it, "Roger is of course defeatable...but its very very tough!" Compared to Roddick's one liner salutations, at least he's throwing some meat.

Veronique
02-24-2007, 02:11 PM
Whatever! So who beats Federer these days? Andy can beat any other player on ATP any given day. His run at the Aussie Open until he run into Federer was remarkable. So he's a little down. Who wouldn't be?

Loremaster
02-24-2007, 02:29 PM
Give him some break !! He was working with Jimmy for only 6 months and results are obvious he is back on track, he isn't in greeat form right now, but I don't really care about these tournaments what will be important for Andy to be in great shapre for IW and Miami and then for Grass season, and Jimmy will surely doesn't allow him to have letdown , Roddick game has moved forward, his forehand looks better than last year, his backhand looks much better, his volley are usually better he is moving better so I think everything must just click together.

Deboogle!.
02-24-2007, 02:31 PM
I think the Davis Cup first round was just a couple weeks ago, no? :o he played quite well in both of his matches and he even came to net on the clay and was pretty successful with it.

Since then has been 2 small tournaments and he has spoke often and openly about trying to find his game back after that long trip, that and the surface change seemed to disrupt him. Plus have you guys even seen his matches from San Jose and Memphis? You have no idea how he's playing this week because none of it has been televised (but based on what he himself has said, he's not playing that well, but we don't know if he's going into the net or anything). But for me, the changes to his backhand are the most consistently apparent, he's going down the line with it often now and really hitting it well. I really enjoy seeing it :)

I understand what's being said in this thread, I just think it's a little bit early to make such sweeping judgments, I think it's fair to wait and see what he does at the Masters events. After Memphis he's apparently going to work with Jimmy for a week before IW.

Loremaster
02-24-2007, 02:40 PM
I think the Davis Cup first round was just a couple weeks ago, no? :o he played quite well in both of his matches and he even came to net on the clay and was pretty successful with it.

Since then has been 2 small tournaments and he has spoke often and openly about trying to find his game back after that long trip, that and the surface change seemed to disrupt him. Plus have you guys even seen his matches from San Jose and Memphis? You have no idea how he's playing this week because none of it has been televised (but based on what he himself has said, he's not playing that well, but we don't know if he's going into the net or anything). But for me, the changes to his backhand are the most consistently apparent, he's going down the line with it often now and really hitting it well. I really enjoy seeing it :)

I understand what's being said in this thread, I just think it's a little bit early to make such sweeping judgments, I think it's fair to wait and see what he does at the Masters events. After Memphis he's apparently going to work with Jimmy for a week before IW.

exactly my thoughts !! :worship: :worship: :worship:

Eden
02-24-2007, 02:45 PM
Personally, I found Gonsalez mental strength in the final of AO to be more solid than Roddick in the semis. Both lost to FEd, but Gonzo had more steel in the end. I liked the way he put it, "Roger is of course defeatable...but its very very tough!" Compared to Roddick's one liner salutations, at least he's throwing some meat.

What should Gonzalez have said? That he thought he had no chance to beat Roger? And just to remind: Fena lost to Roger 5:7, 1:6, 0:6 at the final of Madrid. That was nearly such a beatdown like the one Andy suffered at the AO. Of course Gonzo had a huge self-confidence during the AO - he played an incredible tournament with convincing victories against Hewitt, Blake, Nadal and Haas.

I don't think the loss to Roger had any consequences for Andy so far. He did well at the DC and his loss to Murray in the last tournament didn't come as such a surprise considering the great form of Andy M. this year.

Deboogle!.
02-24-2007, 02:54 PM
I don't think the loss to Roger had any consequences for Andy so far. He did well at the DC and his loss to Murray in the last tournament didn't come as such a surprise considering the great form of Andy M. this year.I agree, and also last week Andy was all over the place (I mean, his match against Spadea was :scared: it looked like he would explode at any second). He said himself he couldn't hit a forehand into the water in San Jose, and he just had trouble dealing with the 20 hour flight from the Czech Republic, the drastic change in surface, etc. (neither Marat nor James did well coming from Davis Cup to San Jose either).

The good thing now is that last year he was pretty much in denial about his poor play (at least to the press he was, dunno what he was actually thinking) and now he's very honest and says when he's not playing well (like he said last night after he beat Lu). So I think it's really good that he's recognizing it and seems more aware of what the problems are and what he has to do to fix them.

So he's played a ton of tennis the past 3 weeks, and even worse he has traveled an awful lot, he's just a little tired and needs a break, and he'll get that after this week so that's why I think it's fair to see how he does with some rest and also on a much bigger more important stage at the Masters events. And if he's still scratchy there, then it might be cause for concern :p

RickDaStick
02-24-2007, 03:45 PM
This is a serious andy roddick question from me, so hopefully someone who follows him can answer it seriously. What the hell happened to his forehand?

Lullaby
02-24-2007, 03:49 PM
I think Roddick is playing better than almost anyone on the tour right now.

I agree - He has just run into a couple of hot ones ;) :)

Loremaster
02-24-2007, 03:51 PM
This is a serious andy roddick question from me, so hopefully someone who follows him can answer it seriously. What the hell happened to his forehand?

I think noone knows answer maybe it is confidence think, or maybe it has to do with his body

partygirl
02-24-2007, 04:08 PM
3 semis in a row sure sucks.

RickDaStick
02-24-2007, 04:17 PM
3 semis in a row sure sucks.

Of course you fail to mention during his current run of 2 SF, he has only beaten one player ranked in the top 50 and has lost the only match where he faced a decent player.

partygirl
02-24-2007, 04:22 PM
i didn't mention that because it doesn't matter:)

i would however appricate it if Andy would answer the forehand question already:fiery:.

Deboogle!.
02-24-2007, 04:27 PM
This is a serious andy roddick question from me, so hopefully someone who follows him can answer it seriously. What the hell happened to his forehand?Suddenly in 2005 he started putting a lot of topspin on it, no one can seemingly figure out why, we have been asking over for like 2 years now :scratch: He rarely flattens it out and hits those inside-out winners anymore :shrug: It looked better at the AO but did not look good against Spadea last week. But even at the USO last year, despite that he played very well for the most part, his FH was still pretty awful.

tangerine_dream
02-24-2007, 04:41 PM
So strange how people overreact whenever Roddick has one or two bad matches. Not everybody can be 100% on their game all the time.

Nothing happened to Roddick. He only loses routinely to Federer, whom he bumps into frequently because he plays well.
Exactly.

partygirl
02-24-2007, 04:47 PM
So strange how people overreact whenever Roddick has one or two bad matches. Not everybody can be 100% on their game all the time.


The truth is he managed to find a way to make everyone care about him:inlove:

LLeytonRules
02-24-2007, 04:59 PM
His return game is very weak.Like someone mentioned his FH is not very good.I think he needs to keep coming to the net because he always seems to lose a rally.

brent-o
02-24-2007, 05:58 PM
Yep, your imagination. Roddick definately went into the last AO match with belief. He was very fired up and was ready to take it to Federer. That's why many people thought it would be a close match. I think Roddick is actually one of the guys who is frustrated by Federer.

haha I think most of the tour is frustrated by Federer.;)

General Suburbia
02-24-2007, 07:51 PM
I don't really care about his forehand anymore. It's been shit for a while now (no penetration, it just sits after hitting the ground), and he's probably not gonna change it. I only get really frustrated by that forehand when i look at match statistics and see that he has more BH winners than FH.

But if he's talking about volleying more and coming to the net, why does it look as if his approach shots and volleys are actually getting worse? Maybe he is just tired and needs some rest, or needs a bit more match play or something. I just find it weird that while his results may be better than last year's his game isn't.

partygirl
02-24-2007, 07:56 PM
I don't really care about his forehand anymore. It's been shit for a while now (no penetration, it just sits after hitting the ground), and he's probably not gonna change it. I only get really frustrated by that forehand when i look at match statistics and see that he has more BH winners than FH.

But if he's talking about volleying more and coming to the net, why does it look as if his approach shots and volleys are actually getting worse? Maybe he is just tired and needs some rest, or needs a bit more match play or something. I just find it weird that while his results may be better than last year's his game isn't.
I'm just curious... which was the last match you saw?

jeahhh!
02-24-2007, 08:01 PM
3 semis in a row sure sucks.

Yep stick a fork in him he's done.

Action Jackson
02-25-2007, 05:36 AM
He won.

laure xxx
02-25-2007, 06:29 AM
He won.

Yeah. Take that.

General Suburbia
02-25-2007, 06:38 AM
I'm just curious... which was the last match you saw?

Seen him in San Jose and the AO. They don't show Memphis around here. But from those matches I've seen, I was pretty surprised that he got as far as he did in those tournies. Can't say exactly what happened with him and Murray tonight though, so I won't.