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Muzza spanks Koubek out of town 6/3 6/2

zicofirol
02-23-2007, 09:40 PM
Good win for Murray... hopefully Lu next up haha...

Horatio Caine
02-23-2007, 09:41 PM
:bigwave: Koubek

...hopefully Roddick next, and it certainly won't be as easy...Roddick might well get revenge...

But nice win today Andy!! :bounce: :drink:

MarcM
02-23-2007, 09:41 PM
Good peformance by Andy.

Now go rest for Roddick tomorrow :)

Jaap
02-23-2007, 09:43 PM
Unexpected easy win for Murray. :eek:

scoobs
02-23-2007, 09:45 PM
Great job Murray - getting better every match this week. That was a very nice dismantling.

Horatio Caine
02-23-2007, 09:46 PM
Didn't conceive serve :eek:

At least he should have retained some energy for the SF... :yeah:

Shrinking Violet
02-23-2007, 09:46 PM
Still can't get that first serve percentage above 50 though yet that's two matches in a row where he's not been broken.

Andy Murray - serving machine. :lol:

Well done, Andy - now up your game a little more and beat Roddick again. :yeah:

Horatio Caine
02-23-2007, 09:47 PM
Court is playing slightly slower than last week I think (at least that's what I've read). In which case, Roddick got his best shot at beating Andy, last week :lol:

MarcM
02-23-2007, 09:47 PM
37% first serve in the second set yet he had match point for 6-1.

Thank god he is a great returner!

bigbhoy
02-23-2007, 09:47 PM
Good win in just over an hour. Glad he didn't exhaust himself too much by needlessly losing a set for the upcoming Roddick re-match.

Only 1 Ace though, which is way below what he's been firing in recently.

1st serve again was way too low, he'll need to start getting that up a few notches come later on in the season.

Good thing is that we'll get to see the Roddick match on ES UK!

Sjengster
02-23-2007, 09:48 PM
Didn't conceive serve :eek:

At least he should have retained some energy for the SF... :yeah:

He does seem to have little conception of a first serve during matches, yes.

Horatio Caine
02-23-2007, 09:48 PM
Good win in just over an hour. Glad he didn't exhaust himself too much by needlessly losing a set for the upcoming Roddick re-match.

Only 1 Ace though, which is way below what he's been firing in recently.

1st serve again was way too low, he'll need to start getting that up a few notches come later on in the season.

Good thing is that we'll get to see the Roddick match on ES UK!

I won't :sobbing:

scoobs
02-23-2007, 09:49 PM
In case you hadn't worked it out yet, this kid is fucking good.

I'm not complacent going in against Roddick - The Duck is hungry for some haggis revenge but I know it's a match Murray can win.

Horatio Caine
02-23-2007, 09:53 PM
In case you hadn't worked it out yet, this kid is fucking good.

I'm not complacent going in against Roddick - The Duck is hungry for some haggis revenge but I know it's a match Murray can win.

The consistency of his results so far this year is scary...and in some ways I hope he has a few early defeats as he will definitely be suffering physically post-US Open imo. Roddick will be keen for revenge and, as someone else mentioned, I wonder if he will try on the intimidation techniques he used last summer :lol: Hopefully Muzza won't run to mother :p

stebs
02-23-2007, 09:53 PM
Good win in just over an hour. Glad he didn't exhaust himself too much by needlessly losing a set for the upcoming Roddick re-match.

Only 1 Ace though, which is way below what he's been firing in recently.

1st serve again was way too low, he'll need to start getting that up a few notches come later on in the season.

Good thing is that we'll get to see the Roddick match on ES UK!

Aces are great for statisticians to look at and they can look nice for technique enthusiasts but really they don't mean anything. A service winner is as good as an ace.

Byrd
02-23-2007, 09:53 PM
I think he'll beat Duckboy, but Haas we'll be a whole different deal and punish his bad serving to be honest.

Horatio Caine
02-23-2007, 09:55 PM
I think he'll beat Duckboy, but Haas we'll be a whole different deal and punish his bad serving to be honest.

Well, that is looking too far ahead, and even without Haas as a final opponent, Muzza's record in finals is still a negative one anyway :tape:

Yappa
02-23-2007, 09:55 PM
Good win in just over an hour. Glad he didn't exhaust himself too much by needlessly losing a set for the upcoming Roddick re-match.

Only 1 Ace though, which is way below what he's been firing in recently.

1st serve again was way too low, he'll need to start getting that up a few notches come later on in the season.

Good thing is that we'll get to see the Roddick match on ES UK!

Only easy wins today, so far. Roddick-Murray could be a good one.

You mean ES 2, right?

yakuzaninja
02-23-2007, 09:55 PM
If he beats Roddick he will hope Mardy beats Haas as he is also a good match up.

scoobs
02-23-2007, 09:56 PM
I think Murray would like to have a crack at Haas - he's one of the few top players he's not yet had a crack at.

Regenbogen
02-23-2007, 09:57 PM
Nice to have an easy win this time :yeah:

I don't want Roddick vs Murray again though :(

Horatio Caine
02-23-2007, 09:58 PM
I think Murray would like to have a crack at Haas - he's one of the few top players he's not yet had a crack at.

Definitely no reason why he can't beat him, even with just 50% first serves

DrJules
02-23-2007, 09:58 PM
In case you hadn't worked it out yet, this kid is fucking good.

I'm not complacent going in against Roddick - The Duck is hungry for some haggis revenge but I know it's a match Murray can win.

Will Roddick make the same mistakes against Murray; trying to overpower Murray and giving Murray plenty of pace.

stebs
02-23-2007, 09:58 PM
I think Murray would like to have a crack at Haas - he's one of the few top players he's not yet had a crack at.

Murray - Haas would be interesting. I think Murray would be able to frustrate Haas but then Haas doesn't have a big weakness to pick on and he can finish points at the net. It would probably be a good match.

Lullaby
02-23-2007, 09:58 PM
He is getting more and more consistent and has so much potential that is for sure - The serve still needs a lot of work and no doubt there are many ups and downs to come

For today though - very professional performance adding to the fantastic start to the season. Minimum of 610 ranking points from his 1st 4 tournaments is very good indeed and if he does well at the upcoming tournaments it will take some of the pressure of the tournaments later in the year where he has big points to defend!

scoobs
02-23-2007, 09:59 PM
Haas would be a tough match, but, I think, a good one.

Horatio Caine
02-23-2007, 10:00 PM
He is getting more and more consistent and has so much potential that is for sure - The serve still needs a lot of work and no doubt there are many ups and downs to come

For today though - very professional performance adding to the fantastic start to the season. Minimum of 610 ranking points from his 1st 4 tournaments is very good indeed and if he does well at the upcoming tournaments it will take some of the pressure of the tournaments later in the year where he has big points to defend!

He's looking good for a top 3-5 finish this year...so long as he stays injury free, I think that is very possible (as ludicrous as it may sound to some).

stebs
02-23-2007, 10:00 PM
Will Roddick make the same mistakes against Murray; trying to overpower Murray and giving Murray plenty of pace.

It's not a mistake. It's all Roddick can try. If he doesn't try using power then all he is doing is playing Murray at his own game which will never work because Murray is a better tactician and a better hitter of the ball from the baseline. Roddick needs to keep up the power and be more selective about when to come to net, patience is a must. What it comes down to is Roddick has found himslef a bad match up. A future pigeon for sure.

Shabazza
02-23-2007, 10:01 PM
Nice, easy win. If this guy can get his 1st serve % up to 60% most of the time he'll be a serious contender for the big titles.

sdtoot
02-23-2007, 10:01 PM
It's a must win game for Roddick.......to lose to the kid two weeks running will seriously knock his morale........should be a great match!

Yappa
02-23-2007, 10:03 PM
Provided that Haas makes the Final:

Normally I'd want Roddick to defeat Murray, but seeing Haas beat Murray would be even nicer. :devil:

Jaap
02-23-2007, 10:04 PM
Roddick will probably lose to Lu to avoid losing to Murray again.

Lets face it, if Roddick can't beat Murray on the San Jose ice rink, then he isn't going to have much chance on a slower court in Memphis.

Lullaby
02-23-2007, 10:04 PM
I love the way he and nole are good friends but also have an unspoken rivalry which is sending them both up the rankings fast. It is as if they look at each others results and say "anything you can do" :lol:

Byrd
02-23-2007, 10:04 PM
Well, that is looking too far ahead, and even without Haas as a final opponent, Muzza's record in finals is still a negative one anyway :tape:

I put a fiver thats how its gonna pan out, unless Haas players a shitter against Fish

adee-gee
02-23-2007, 10:05 PM
This Murray is good :smoke:

Whatever happens in the Semi Final, this has been a great start to the year and should give him plenty of confidence. He's got a real chance to get some major points during the clay season, he barely won a match last season, which I think was more down to his fitness than his ability on the surface. His fitness has stood up really well this year, and it'll be interesting to see how he does on clay.

bigbhoy
02-23-2007, 10:06 PM
I won't :sobbing:

The first semi is on at 5, the 2nd starts at 9. However win or lose, I'm sure they'll replay the highlights on Sun afternoon. I'd guess something like 1pm or a little later at 4/5pm.

You mean ES 2, right?

Yep ES 2 it where they're at.

Horatio Caine
02-23-2007, 10:08 PM
I put a fiver thats how its gonna pan out, unless Haas players a shitter against Fish

Fish CAN beat Haas...wouldn't shock me if he does. His 2006 record vs top 10 players makes for entertaining viewing, but he is better this year.

Horatio Caine
02-23-2007, 10:09 PM
This Murray is good :smoke:

Whatever happens in the Semi Final, this has been a great start to the year and should give him plenty of confidence. He's got a real chance to get some major points during the clay season, he barely won a match last season, which I think was more down to his fitness than his ability on the surface. His fitness has stood up really well this year, and it'll be interesting to see how he does on clay.

I agree in part there mate. But I think there are many players on clay who can compete with him better than they would on other surfaces. It wouldn't surprise me if Muzza gets his worst career results on that surface...

Shrinking Violet
02-23-2007, 10:10 PM
If he can beat Roddick then I'd love to see him play Haas. It would be interesting to see how he matched up with a guy like that on the first viewing. Haas would obviously be the favourite but it would be a good match-up.

vincayou
02-23-2007, 10:11 PM
He's looking good for a top 3-5 finish this year...so long as he stays injury free, I think that is very possible (as ludicrous as it may sound to some).

He can definitely finish so high, but he must perform better in big events now.

scoobs
02-23-2007, 10:12 PM
On the contrary, I don't see anything about Murray's game that won't translate well to clay.

Good mover - check.
Likes to run - check.
Good dropshot - check (if overused at times)
power when needed - check
likes to work the point and create an opening - check
plenty of variety - check
excellent tactical brain - check.

I think he'll do pretty well on clay though not his best results.

Byrd
02-23-2007, 10:13 PM
Fish CAN beat Haas...wouldn't shock me if he does. His 2006 record vs top 10 players makes for entertaining viewing, but he is better this year.

Fish has improved but he won't beat Haas. I don't count a win over an out of form Ivan 'Im the real no.2' Ljubicic as great.

scoobs
02-23-2007, 10:14 PM
The other thing is I can detect a gradual shift in my thinking. It's gone from "oh I hope he can play well against Roddick - he might have a good chance." to "if he plays well he has a very good chance of winning."

It's starting to become more expectation than hope.

Lullaby
02-23-2007, 10:16 PM
The only problem if he carries on doing quite well for the next few months is that the media pressure will build to ridiculous expectations at wimbledon

scoobs
02-23-2007, 10:17 PM
The only problem if he carries on doing quite well for the next few months is that the media pressure will build to ridiculous expectations at wimbledon
I guess he'll have to learn to handle it. The pressure is going to come, regardless.

Yappa
02-23-2007, 10:17 PM
The other thing is I can detect a gradual shift in my thinking. It's gone from "oh I hope he can play well against Roddick - he might have a good chance." to "if he plays well he has a very good chance of winning."

It's starting to become more expectation than hope.

Then it's time that Roddick spanks Murray very hard, so that you return to your senses. :devil: ;)

More seriously: I don't expect that to happen, of course.

Byrd
02-23-2007, 10:18 PM
Its funny how Fed is always in Roddicks head all the time, yet hes moved on to bigger things and someone else has come to fill the gap in, in the form of Murray, which I find pretty interesting.

Shabazza
02-23-2007, 10:18 PM
On the contrary, I don't see anything about Murray's game that won't translate well to clay.

Good mover - check.
Likes to run - check.
Good dropshot - check (if overused at times)
power when needed - check
likes to work the point and create an opening - check
plenty of variety - check
excellent tactical brain - check.

I think he'll do pretty well on clay though not his best results.

Poor fitness and low confidence were the main reasons for his clay resluts last year. I expect much better results on this surface this year.

scoobs
02-23-2007, 10:19 PM
Then it's time that Roddick spanks Murray very hard, so that you return to your senses. :devil: ;)

More seriously: I don't expect that to happen, of course.
Well if Roddick got the balls, let him do it. If he does, I'll be sufficiently chastened :)

Horatio Caine
02-23-2007, 10:19 PM
The only problem if he carries on doing quite well for the next few months is that the media pressure will build to ridiculous expectations at wimbledon

I think it is probably too late :lol: The media are covering practically every match now anyway...

scoobs
02-23-2007, 10:19 PM
I think it is probably too late :lol: The media are covering practically every match now anyway...
They're already drooling so much they need buckets under their mouths.

bigbhoy
02-23-2007, 10:20 PM
Aces are great for statisticians to look at and they can look nice for technique enthusiasts but really they don't mean anything. A service winner is as good as an ace.

While that is definitely true, they're also good for getting you cheap & easy points. The big problem with Muzza is that he has to do a lot more work in winning his points via 2nd serves simply because his 1st serves aren't good enough.

Aces are the easiest points you can get, even that isn't really important. It's more about getting the 1st serve in more consistently. Especially when he comes up against people that will pounce on his weaker 2nd serves like Federer, Gonzo etc.

Even Roddick has the ability to do it if he's playing well. In all honesty I didn't expect him to beat Roddick last week in SJ. Especially when the courts were ramped up to suit the big hitters. So the slower Memphis courts will suit Murray far more. Just hope he doesn't get complacent & blow it against A-Rod.

Anybody know if JC is back in his corner for Memphis?

adee-gee
02-23-2007, 10:20 PM
On the contrary, I don't see anything about Murray's game that won't translate well to clay.

Good mover - check.
Likes to run - check.
Good dropshot - check (if overused at times)
power when needed - check
likes to work the point and create an opening - check
plenty of variety - check
excellent tactical brain - check.

I think he'll do pretty well on clay though not his best results.
The problem I see is temperament.....I can see people like Canas, Boredo, Nadal, Di Mauro ( :p ) etc. getting under his skin with the amount of balls they get back.

Horatio Caine
02-23-2007, 10:20 PM
Poor fitness and low confidence were the main reasons for his clay resluts last year. I expect much better results on this surface this year.

I just think that other players can play his game just as well on clay. For instance, would Volandri have a better chance to beat Muzza on clay? I think he probably would.

Horatio Caine
02-23-2007, 10:21 PM
While that is definitely true, they're also good for getting you cheap & easy points.

Which is precisely what an unreturnable serve does as well ;)

Horatio Caine
02-23-2007, 10:21 PM
The problem I see is temperament.....I can see people like Canas, Boredo, Nadal, Di Mauro ( :p ) etc. getting under his skin with the amount of balls they get back.

Yep - you see my point :yeah:

...and one mustn't forget that brilliant loss to Lisnard :haha: :haha:

Apemant
02-23-2007, 10:22 PM
:worship: This Murray means business. :drive:

Lullaby
02-23-2007, 10:24 PM
I think it is probably too late :lol: The media are covering practically every match now anyway...

i know, i just think it is so counter productive. I saw odds of 12-1 the other day when he has not even made a 1/4 final of a grand slam yet.

I am not comparing the two in any way but contrast with the young becker that won wimbledon, the pressure was nowhere near the same.

Apemant
02-23-2007, 10:25 PM
On the contrary, I don't see anything about Murray's game that won't translate well to clay.

Good mover - check.
Likes to run - check.
Good dropshot - check (if overused at times)
power when needed - check
likes to work the point and create an opening - check
plenty of variety - check
excellent tactical brain - check.

I think he'll do pretty well on clay though not his best results.

Agreed 95%, I expect some good results from him as well, but I don't see you mention his sliding? Is he good at that? I don't remember what it looked last year on clay?

scoobs
02-23-2007, 10:26 PM
The problem I see is temperament.....I can see people like Canas, Boredo, Nadal, Di Mauro ( :p ) etc. getting under his skin with the amount of balls they get back.
Mmm possibly. Murray is used to long rallies where he works for an openings, but admittedly on faster surfaces you get more cheap points. He may end up getting impatient.

It'll be fascinating to see.

Horatio Caine
02-23-2007, 10:27 PM
Agreed 95%, I expect some good results from him as well, but I don't see you mention his sliding? Is he good at that? I don't remember what it looked last year on clay?

Oh God...he doesn't need encouragement to slide. The number of times he falls over (certainly on grass) :tape:

...Monfils should be banned from playing on clay, by his coach :lol:

yakuzaninja
02-23-2007, 10:27 PM
Yep - you see my point :yeah:

...and one mustn't forget that brilliant loss to Lisnard :haha: :haha:

To be fair he was injured in that match and could hardly walk for the third set.

Lullaby
02-23-2007, 10:27 PM
I think a good sign is that he says he is looking forward to the clay season - That suggests to me he feels he has a point to prove!

scoobs
02-23-2007, 10:27 PM
Agreed 95%, I expect some good results from him as well, but I don't see you mention his sliding? Is he good at that? I don't remember what it looked last year on clay?
After spending 2 years on clay in Barcelona and winning a lot of his points in Futures on European clay, I think he moves fine on clay. Not as well as some probably but good enough.

scoobs
02-23-2007, 10:28 PM
I think a good sign is that he says he is looking forward to the clay season - That suggests to me he feels he has a point to prove!
Yes I noted that with a good deal of pleasure.

Horatio Caine
02-23-2007, 10:28 PM
To be fair he was injured in that match and could hardly walk for the third set.

Really? You sure it wasn't cramp?

scoobs
02-23-2007, 10:29 PM
Really? You sure it wasn't cramp?
He got cramp, he was ill just before the tournament so under-prepared, he'd just fired his coach, yada yada yada

Murray was directionless and not fit enough last year in the clay season. I expect much better this year.

bigbhoy
02-23-2007, 10:32 PM
To be fair he was injured in that match and could hardly walk for the third set.

More importantly it was his first match without MP after they split!

So he didn't have good preperation for it, especially as we all saw how easily things got to him last year. Since he's been with Gilby, he's matured mentally a heck of a lot. So wouldn't expect it to happen again.

Only thing about clay matches, is they'll probably take more out of him physically. Especially if he starts to do well in them consistently. Guess then we'll see how much his fitness came on since he's been working with BG!

vincayou
02-23-2007, 10:33 PM
On the contrary, I don't see anything about Murray's game that won't translate well to clay.

Good mover - check.
Likes to run - check.
Good dropshot - check (if overused at times)
power when needed - check
likes to work the point and create an opening - check
plenty of variety - check
excellent tactical brain - check.

I think he'll do pretty well on clay though not his best results.

Results so far on clay - check? :lol:

On your check list, Hewitt would be good on clay. So far, Murray's result are terrible on clay. Lack of top spin maybe, can he move well on clay?

scoobs
02-23-2007, 10:33 PM
More importantly it was his first match without MP after they split!

So he didn't have good preperation for it, especially as we all saw how easily things got to him last year. Since he's been with Gilby, he's matured mentally a heck of a lot. So wouldn't expect it to happen again.

Only thing about clay matches, is they'll probably take more out of him physically. Especially if he starts to do well in them consistently. Guess then we'll see how much his fitness came on since he's been working with BG!
Good point re fitness.

I think he and Brad will spend some more time after Miami training before they head onto the clay in MC, after the DC tie.

The point is, to me, there's nothing technical about his game that will prevent him doing well on clay - he has the tools. It's about his stamina and his patience.

yakuzaninja
02-23-2007, 10:34 PM
Results so far on clay - check? :lol:

On your check list, Hewitt would be good on clay. So far, Murray's result so far are terrible on clay. Lack of top spin maybe, can he move well on clay?

Hewitt is no clown on clay- RG quarter finalist, various good results including beating Guga in his prime in Florianopolis.

Murray's least effective results will probably be on clay but he should be alright.

scoobs
02-23-2007, 10:35 PM
Results so far on clay - check? :lol:

On your check list, Hewitt would be good on clay. So far, Murray's result are terrible on clay. Lack of top spin maybe, can he move well on clay?
Umm he's played 1 full clay season - read that. 1. What was going on last clay season is well documented. He split from his coach. He was directionless. He wasn't fit enough. He was ill prior to the clay season. He pulled his back at Roland Garros. It was a bad series of weeks from Monte Carlo right through to Wimbledon proper.

There'll be no repeat of all that this year.

Again, I refer you to the fact that most of his points in futures and challengers came on clay before he made the ATP tour regular.

Shrinking Violet
02-23-2007, 10:37 PM
Oh God...he doesn't need encouragement to slide. The number of times he falls over (certainly on grass) :tape:

...Monfils should be banned from playing on clay, by his coach :lol:

I think Gilbert banned Andy from sliding now because he was sliding on hard-courts last season. I mind reading a quote from Brad and he was aghast at Andy sliding at times.

He basically has to relax a little in the clay season - he has nothing to lose and can basically only gain ground. i'm sure he will. He used to claim clay was his best surface :lol: so I'm sure he'd like to show a little form on it this season. I don't think he'll ever really threaten to win anything on clay, but I don't think he'll be a guy who writes off that part of the season either. He could probably go a few rounds, get a few QFs but I just don't think he'll ever be a real threat on it unless he tweaks his game a bit.

ljubicic_
02-23-2007, 10:37 PM
Good job Murray:yeah:

Lullaby
02-23-2007, 10:38 PM
brad gilbert seems to have the schedule lined up much better than was the case last year too. If he keeps having good weeks I would imagine they will take weeks off before all grand slams and master series events which can only assist the stamina

scoobs
02-23-2007, 10:39 PM
brad gilbert seems to have the schedule lined up much better than was the case last year too. If he keeps having good weeks I would imagine they will take weeks off before all grand slams and master series events which can only assist the stamina
Yep - they have next week scheduled off, for example, prior to IW. Good scheduling.

Apemant
02-23-2007, 10:42 PM
Damn, I get so excited about this kid... great returns, great serves, can rally, construct points, has the touch for the ball, can go for winners but also defend as long as neccessary, damn good lobs and drop shots, decent volleys... what more can one want from a player?

I only hope he won't succumb to enormous expectations.. that can be really nasty :sad:

vincayou
02-23-2007, 10:43 PM
Hewitt is no clown on clay- RG quarter finalist, various good results including beating Guga in his prime in Florianopolis.

Murray's least effective results will probably be on clay but he should be alright.

Hewitt - 25 titles and none on clay. He's not a clown all right but he's an absolute non factor on it.

scoobs
02-23-2007, 10:45 PM
Damn, I get so excited about this kid... great returns, great serves, can rally, construct points, has the touch for the ball, can go for winners but also defend as long as neccessary, damn good lobs and drop shots, decent volleys... what more can one want from a player?

I only hope he won't succumb to enormous expectations.. that can be really nasty :sad:
Ditto. But the one thing you missed, that I find most impressive. Damn this kid can fight and he's not scared of anybody out there - and he's not scared to win. His mental determination stands out for me. It's got him through a lot of matches he should have lost. He now finds ways to win when he's not even playing that well.

Corey Feldman
02-23-2007, 10:48 PM
The Kid is an animal :lol:
cant wait for another Roddick humping again tomorrow :bounce:

vincayou
02-23-2007, 10:54 PM
Umm he's played 1 full clay season - read that. 1. What was going on last clay season is well documented. He split from his coach. He was directionless. He wasn't fit enough. He was ill prior to the clay season. He pulled his back at Roland Garros. It was a bad series of weeks from Monte Carlo right through to Wimbledon proper.

There'll be no repeat of all that this year.

Again, I refer you to the fact that most of his points in futures and challengers came on clay before he made the ATP tour regular.

All this is wishful thinking so far. When he burst into the mediatic scene 2 years ago, I thought he was one of this brittish hype when I looked up at his results in challengers (he was claiming that clay was his favourite surface at that time). He was much better outside of it fortunately.

His challenger results in 2005 (5 or 6 tournaments) are not exactly impressive. Losing to Lammer (355th), Gimeno-Traver (255), Gerano-Martinez (327th), Hernych, DiMauro. 2 month later, he was beating very good players on grass and hardcourt.

So far, one victory against a top100 on clay. James Blake.

I wish him the best. I'd like to see him play well on clay, and might prove me wrong. But so far, it's wishful thinking.

Apemant
02-23-2007, 10:56 PM
Ditto. But the one thing you missed, that I find most impressive. Damn this kid can fight and he's not scared of anybody out there - and he's not scared to win. His mental determination stands out for me. It's got him through a lot of matches he should have lost. He now finds ways to win when he's not even playing that well.

Nodnod yeah I forgot to mention that... at first look he seems like a headcase with all the cursing and swearing, but it's some weird sort of headcase, which doesn't hinder his game at all. Like someone said, it's as if he relaxes completely after taking his frustrations out in the open. At any rate, he doesn't strike me as a choker one bit.

scoobs
02-23-2007, 10:57 PM
Monfils. He lost to Blake.

Wishful thinking? I call it reasonable projection. Of course, we'll soon see if the results back it up.

scoobs
02-23-2007, 11:21 PM
You Murraytard! :p (But actually, I totally agree. :lol: I like his game a lot, even if he makes me roll my eyes at times when he's being a negative ninny. :))
I hold my hand up.

I've been following this kid from early 2005 and his progress has been and continues to be astonishing. His Kevin the Teenager moments amuse the hell out of me and I think he has a game of uncommon variety and tactical awareness coupled with a killer instinct.

It's been a great journey already and he's only 19. I'm hooked into seeing what happens next.

Corey Feldman
02-23-2007, 11:22 PM
So who do we think will be playing Muzza in the final?
Haas or Fish
????

scoobs
02-23-2007, 11:24 PM
I'm not complacent about Roddick.

But if he gets there, I'd like it to be Haas.

Corey Feldman
02-23-2007, 11:26 PM
Hewitt - 25 titles and none on clay. He's not a clown all right but he's an absolute non factor on it.Its amazing how many ppl get that wrong but Hewitt did win 1 title on clay... in Delray Beach i think it was in 99.

also beating gustave kuerten and albert costa in their own backyards on clay in DC.

guga2120
02-23-2007, 11:28 PM
So Murray vs Roddick again. Too bad for Roddick.

Action Jackson
02-24-2007, 07:07 AM
Better for the tournament that Murray won.

Action Jackson
02-24-2007, 07:08 AM
On the contrary, I don't see anything about Murray's game that won't translate well to clay.

Good mover - check.
Likes to run - check.
Good dropshot - check (if overused at times)
power when needed - check
likes to work the point and create an opening - check
plenty of variety - check
excellent tactical brain - check.

I think he'll do pretty well on clay though not his best results.

Go the read the A vs B thread, the most recent posting is about Murray on clay.

scoobs
02-24-2007, 10:04 AM
where is this - can't find the thread you refer to.

Apemant
02-24-2007, 12:03 PM
Its amazing how many ppl get that wrong but Hewitt did win 1 title on clay... in Delray Beach i think it was in 99.

also beating gustave kuerten and albert costa in their own backyards on clay in DC.

Not just that. His game was well suited for clay, but his problems on that surface were mainly psychological; he didin't play much clay as a youngster and just felt unnatural on that surface. I suspect he would have been a major clay force if he was raised in Spain or such.

So, I Murray claims he feels good on clay, then you people better take it seriously. :angel:

Raquel
02-24-2007, 12:39 PM
Well done Andy :yeah:

Good luck tonight :D