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Murray def. Pless 6-3 7-6(4)

MarcM
02-22-2007, 10:16 PM
41% 1st serves for Murray tonight.

His serving has been poor this week in contrast to last, he'll need to improve tomorrow.

Adler
02-22-2007, 10:16 PM
Wow, got 1 out of 11 BP opportunities :) But all in all, Muzza controlled the match and didn't fail in the decisive moment

Jaap
02-22-2007, 10:17 PM
Got the win but I reckon Koubek will knock him out next round...hope not though.

sdtoot
02-22-2007, 10:17 PM
Well done Andy. Any win will do against a difficult opponent!

Horatio Caine
02-22-2007, 10:17 PM
Murray's serving has always been pretty pathetic :o

Well done Andy! :bounce:

Koubek = :scared:

MissPovaFan
02-22-2007, 10:19 PM
Excellent win Andy! Keep up the good work but improve that serve please!

He should beat Koubek in the next round I reckon.

superhoops
02-22-2007, 10:19 PM
Koubek will be a player Andy will more prefer to play as he is more aggressive I think :shrug:

Adler
02-22-2007, 10:20 PM
Things don't look good for Murray. Up till now he's been defeating easy opponents. Koubek should not be a big obstacle too, but I have a deep feeling A-Rod will knock him out

41% 1st serves, 1/11 BP converted... not good

scoobs
02-22-2007, 10:23 PM
Still struggling, but less so than at the same stage in San Jose last week. I think he's still got some big matches in him.

Better than yesterday for Murray but scope to get better still. Especially on 1st serve - he's had the irrits on that this week.

MarcM
02-22-2007, 10:26 PM
11 aces from 29 first serves is promising though.

If he could just get his first serve in by another 20% this week he could win.

adee-gee
02-22-2007, 10:36 PM
As long as he wins and keeps annoying the haters I don't care how he serves or plays.

Koubek shouldn't be a problem. I agree, I wouldn't like his chances against Roddick in the SF, but we'll cross that bridge if we come to it. Consistency was a major problem last year, and he's yet to have one of his really silly results as of yet this season.

Things are looking good.

Horatio Caine
02-22-2007, 10:38 PM
Yep - every win this week counts now. So, a SF loss to Roddick wouldn't be THAT bad. But he needs to beat Koubek to earn more points, and hopefully he will.

danton
02-22-2007, 10:39 PM
Some times you play to the level of the person you're playing against. Maybe that's what happened here. Andy wanted a stroll not an all out assault today. Given the no of break points for each player it doesn't seem like he was ever troubled.

Really annoyed at Eurosport for not showing this. There was nothing else exciting on and they have TV rights. We'll never get a Wimbledon champ with the kind of commitment our TV channels show. Who's going to care about Tennis when you only get to see it at Wimbledon.

Lullaby
02-22-2007, 10:42 PM
Why all the doom & gloom?

Last week pless took him to 3 sets and he put out roddick

IMHO if he beats koubek the match with roddick would be evenly matched:)

Horatio Caine
02-22-2007, 10:43 PM
Some times you play to the level of the person you're playing against. Maybe that's what happened here. Andy wanted a stroll not an all out assault today. Given the no of break points for each player it doesn't seem like he was ever troubled.

Really annoyed at Eurosport for not showing this. There was nothing else exciting on and they have TV rights. We'll never get a Wimbledon champ with the kind of commitment our TV channels show. Who's going to care about Tennis when you only get to see it at Wimbledon.

Maybe, but Pless is no mug. I suspect that if Murray had taken more of the bps, he would have won pretty easily.

adee-gee
02-22-2007, 10:44 PM
Really annoyed at Eurosport for not showing this. There was nothing else exciting on and they have TV rights.
Are you sure Eurosport have the rights?

danton
02-22-2007, 10:48 PM
Yep they are showing the Semis and finals

scoobs
02-22-2007, 10:48 PM
I doubt it - I think they pay on a per match basis for the US tournaments like San Jose and so on and are only showing SFs onward.

danton
02-22-2007, 10:50 PM
THey've done it before for Andy matches when they were only planning to show semis +

Apemant
02-22-2007, 10:51 PM
Andy :yeah:

MarcM
02-22-2007, 10:52 PM
Was that US tournaments though?

I remember they showed Vienna from round 1 when Andy played there.

scoobs
02-22-2007, 10:52 PM
THey've done it before for Andy matches when they were only planning to show semis +
Against quality opponents, not journeymen.

Now he tends not to meet quality opponents so early because of his ranking :)

Shrinking Violet
02-22-2007, 11:24 PM
Pretty comfortable despite the abysmal first serve percentage. Hopefully he can notch that up a bit tomorrow because he was doing great when he got his first serve in court. 11 aces as well wasn't bad.

scoobs
02-22-2007, 11:29 PM
Murray sometimes does seem to struggle against lesser ranked players - but he always seems to get motivated for the big matches and his game goes up several levels. I was very concerned prior to Roddick last week but his game improved out of sight in the last 2 matches. That's another very useful thing to be able to do - to peak at the business end of the tournament.

DrJules
02-22-2007, 11:39 PM
As long as he wins and keeps annoying the haters I don't care how he serves or plays.

Koubek shouldn't be a problem. I agree, I wouldn't like his chances against Roddick in the SF, but we'll cross that bridge if we come to it. Consistency was a major problem last year, and he's yet to have one of his really silly results as of yet this season.

Things are looking good.

I would not include Roddick among the 10 most difficult opponents for Murray. However, if somebody plays well against Murray they have a chance.

bigbhoy
02-22-2007, 11:40 PM
Against quality opponents, not journeymen.

Now he tends not to meet quality opponents so early because of his ranking :)

Another major factor in this is the time difference. If he's on real late, I doubt that many people would stay up to the small hours to watch him play somebody ranked 100 in the world. At least not enough to probably cover the fees they'd be charged to show it live.

If it was against a top player, then I'm sure they'd probably do it, however as you said, in these smaller tournies, the bigger names only come later on in the tournament.

H ereally needs to work on his 1st serve. To be fair to him, usually he beings it out when he needs it the most but for a top ranked player under 50% in almost all his matches is pretty unacceptable.

Today it was 41%, he did get in 11 aces. More importantly though when he got it in, he won 90% of his 1st serve points. 26/29 is very good. If he could get it up to the early 60's at least. He'd make himself a lot more comfortable in matches instead of having to run around & expend more energy in having to win the majority of his points.

He really should hire in somebody to work with him on his serving, perhaps get Agassi in now & again to offer some tips to him. He's getting bigger serves & more aces than ever but I think it's probably more a reality that he'll always be like this. Hope I'm wrong though!

danton
02-22-2007, 11:42 PM
Murray sometimes does seem to struggle against lesser ranked players - but he always seems to get motivated for the big matches and his game goes up several levels. I was very concerned prior to Roddick last week but his game improved out of sight in the last 2 matches. That's another very useful thing to be able to do - to peak at the business end of the tournament.

Agreed - I thought he was going to get a kicking from Roddick even up to 4 to5 games into the match. Instead he gave Roddick a spanking :p

After Roddicks behaviour at Cincinnati I thoroughly enjoyed it.:devil:

adee-gee
02-22-2007, 11:44 PM
I would not include Roddick among the 10 most difficult opponents for Murray. However, if somebody plays well against Murray they have a chance.
I know Murray's game matches up against Roddick's extremely well. But Roddick will be pumped, and I think the match would mean a lot more to him than it would to Muzza. I wouldn't be surprised if Murray won, but I'd give the edge to Roddick.

Anyway, we'll see if they even meet each other.

Horatio Caine
02-22-2007, 11:46 PM
Murray sometimes does seem to struggle against lesser ranked players - but he always seems to get motivated for the big matches and his game goes up several levels. I was very concerned prior to Roddick last week but his game improved out of sight in the last 2 matches. That's another very useful thing to be able to do - to peak at the business end of the tournament.

Well he has "yet" to lose to a player ranked outside the top 10 this year...frighteningly consistent :scared:

Hopefully Koubek won't spoil the party.

Horatio Caine
02-22-2007, 11:47 PM
I know Murray's game matches up against Roddick's extremely well. But Roddick will be pumped, and I think the match would mean a lot more to him than it would to Muzza. I wouldn't be surprised if Murray won, but I'd give the edge to Roddick.

Anyway, we'll see if they even meet each other.

Murray is a horrible match for Henman, and Timbo managed a revenge win a week later. It often happens.

NYCtennisfan
02-22-2007, 11:50 PM
Although Murray continues to have a low 1st serve %, he is winning the points on his 1st much more easily, hitting more aces, more service winners, setting up more short balls, etc. With his return of serve already being a huge factor in all of his matches, getting his 1st serve % consistently around 60 will make this guy extremely difficult to beat for most of tour.

adee-gee
02-22-2007, 11:51 PM
Murray is a horrible match for Henman, and Timbo managed a revenge win a week later. It often happens.
Scotland often let England have a little success, we feel sorry for you. Monty did it in the golf today as well ;)

danton
02-22-2007, 11:55 PM
Scotland often let England have a little success, we feel sorry for you. Monty did it in the golf today as well ;)

Sorry we should also thank you for letting us give you a kicking at the six nations a few weeks ago. Thanks - Jonny really needed the confidence boost.

You should really play us a football at the moment - you would probably thrash us. In fact you could probably send in your over 60 womans team and still beat us.

Horatio Caine
02-22-2007, 11:57 PM
Scotland often let England have a little success, we feel sorry for you. Monty did it in the golf today as well ;)

:ras: We don't feel sorry for your football team :devil:

Shrinking Violet
02-22-2007, 11:59 PM
He really should hire in somebody to work with him on his serving, perhaps get Agassi in now & again to offer some tips to him. He's getting bigger serves & more aces than ever but I think it's probably more a reality that he'll always be like this. Hope I'm wrong though!

Hitting a tennis ball with a mallet was how Mark Petchey describes Andy's serve - when it goes in, it's pretty impressive but it's getting it to go in that's the problem. When he gets stronger in the back that should (hopefully) sort out the first serve percentage.

danton
02-22-2007, 11:59 PM
:ras: We don't feel sorry for your football team :devil:

You can hardly feel proud about ours at the moment though :o

Ashley Cole - 'I felt insulted they only offered £55,000 and not £65,000 per week' arrggggghhhhhh..............

adee-gee
02-23-2007, 12:01 AM
Sorry we should also thank you for letting us give you a kicking at the six nations a few weeks ago. Thanks - Jonny really needed the confidence boost.

You should really play us a football at the moment - you would probably thrash us. In fact you could probably send in your over 60 womans team and still beat us.
Yeah it was nice of us to let him steal the show, he'd been away for a while.

:lol: bring back the home nations tournament :armed:
:ras: We don't feel sorry for your football team :devil:
I wouldn't expect you to, seeing as we're as bad as each other :o

Shrinking Violet
02-23-2007, 12:03 AM
You can hardly feel proud about ours at the moment though :o

Ashley Cole - 'I felt insulted they only offered £55,000 and not £65,000 per week' arrggggghhhhhh..............

I think the actual quote included a line about how he nearly crashed his car because of the horror and dissappointment of the offer. :o I never liked Ashley Cole, and I don't take any pleasure out of a guy injuring themselves, but karma is a bitch sometimes.

yakuzaninja
02-23-2007, 12:04 AM
I don't watch England football team because they are so boring and make me wanna fall asleep.

Horatio Caine
02-23-2007, 12:05 AM
You can hardly feel proud about ours at the moment though :o

Ashley Cole - 'I felt insulted they only offered £55,000 and not £65,000 per week' arrggggghhhhhh..............

I hate football and take great delight in how shit we are :D

Who would want to waste time watching us? We are SHIT

Horatio Caine
02-23-2007, 12:07 AM
Yeah it was nice of us to let him steal the show, he'd been away for a while.

:lol: bring back the home nations tournament :armed:

I wouldn't expect you to, seeing as we're as bad as each other :o

Erm no Adee dear, you must be worse! Particularly as your squad is captained by Rhona Martin (woman's curling champion) :angel:

danton
02-23-2007, 12:07 AM
I think the actual quote included a line about how he nearly crashed his car because of the horror and dissappointment of the offer. :o I never liked Ashley Cole, and I don't take any pleasure out of a guy injuring themselves, but karma is a bitch sometimes.


:devil: didn't know about that. Sorry but I can't help but laugh and think what a tosser.

adee-gee
02-23-2007, 12:10 AM
Erm no Adee dear, you must be worse! Particularly as your squad is captained by Rhona Martin (woman's curling champion) :angel:
We're on the up, we beat France not so long ago and currently sit top of a group containing the 2 World Cup Finalists and a Quarter Finalist. You on the other hand haven't won for 4 games, and drew with the mighty Macedonia ;)

Isn't it amazing how off-topic threads can go :p

danton
02-23-2007, 12:12 AM
Erm no Adee dear, you must be worse! Particularly as your squad is captained by Rhona Martin (woman's curling champion) :angel:


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: I don't think England needs the world cup we'll probably be bankrupted after the Olympics. I think Scotland should bid - at least that way you get to play in the finals :devil: and we don't have to deal with the petty minority who genuinely want England to lose.:mad:

danton
02-23-2007, 12:14 AM
We're on the up, we beat France not so long ago and currently sit top of a group containing the 2 World Cup Finalists and a Quarter Finalist. You on the other hand haven't won for 4 games, and drew with the mighty Macedonia ;)

Isn't it amazing how off-topic threads can go :p

I'm English and I agree with you - right now they couldn't kick their way out of a paper bag. It's embarrasing that these people are deemed to be worth that much money and yet when they play for England they look like they should be playing for Acrington Stanley.

Shrinking Violet
02-23-2007, 12:15 AM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: I don't think England needs the world cup we'll probably be bankrupted after the Olympics. I think Scotland should bid - at least that way you get to play in the finals :devil: and we don't have to deal with the petty minority who genuinely want England to lose.:mad:

In fairness, being English you probably wouldn't understand how genuinely annoying and patronising the English media are to us at major tournaments. It's typical small nation mentality - there's nothing malicious in it, we just like to see the large, over-bearing cocky neighbour get knocked down a peg or two. ;)

adee-gee
02-23-2007, 12:18 AM
I'm English and I agree with you - right now they couldn't kick their way out of a paper bag. It's embarrasing that these people are deemed to be worth that much money and yet when they play for England they look like they should be playing for Acrington Stanley.
It really is quite amazing how badly England are playing.....You look at their team and most players would walk into any side in the world. McLaren is an awful manager though, and the it has been the same problem for ages, excellent on paper but just not abole to produce as a team.

danton
02-23-2007, 12:19 AM
Most Scots I know see it more as a joke - there are a couple though who are really nasty.

And why should England bid for the World Cup - why not the whole of the UK or Scotland. After all London has the Olympics. It's not surprising sometimes that there is that chip. That said I have a bit of a chip about the fact that Scotland has more money spent on it per head than anywhere else in the UK. Swings and roundabouts

Shrinking Violet
02-23-2007, 12:25 AM
Most Scots I know see it more as a joke - there are a couple though who are really nasty.

And why should England bid for the World Cup - why not the whole of the UK or Scotland. After all London has the Olympics. It's not surprising sometimes that there is that chip. That said I have a bit of a chip about the fact that Scotland has more money spent on it per head than anywhere else in the UK. Swings and roundabouts

Well, assuming you're being serious about Scotland trying to host the world cup considering the size of us - the simple fact is we don't have the stadia or the facilities spread out around the country. There's three top class stadiums in Glasgow, 1 in Edinburgh and then the rest would need upgraded. The country is too small. In fact, we've probably missed our chance at hosting the Euros as well because the tourny is expanding.

Anyway - not getting into the other politics you bring up because it's a tennis forum and no one is going to change anyone elses perception of stuff like that here. :cool:

cmurray
02-23-2007, 12:46 AM
Gee...and here I was just going to actually talk about Murray's tennis (I was going to say that my Scottish cousin is racking up quite the little collection of trophies)

But since we're having ourselves a little war, I'll throw my lot in with the Scots, since my children and husband are of fine Scottish stock.....

Just teasing, of course. It is difficult as an American to understand the full complexities of a dislike that goes back many hundreds of years. Hell, we don't even HAVE many hundreds of years over here. I had an Irish (Cork I believe) friend who literally blamed the English for every ill that ever befell Ireland - and that's a LOT of ills. Anyway, I'll leave you all to it. Cheers! :wavey:

RickDaStick
02-23-2007, 03:47 AM
Maybe, but Pless is no mug. I suspect that if Murray had taken more of the bps, he would have won pretty easily.


Really? What makes you think that?:rolleyes:

Grenouille
02-23-2007, 05:22 AM
Go Andy you're the best

DrJules
02-23-2007, 06:22 AM
I know Murray's game matches up against Roddick's extremely well. But Roddick will be pumped, and I think the match would mean a lot more to him than it would to Muzza. I wouldn't be surprised if Murray won, but I'd give the edge to Roddick.

Anyway, we'll see if they even meet each other.

Murray is a horrible match for Henman, and Timbo managed a revenge win a week later. It often happens.

To me it depends if Murray is fit enough for his 9th match in 2 weeks. He is one of the less fit players on tour.

jazar
02-23-2007, 06:42 AM
bad luck kristian

Apemant
02-23-2007, 08:27 AM
Really? What makes you think that?:rolleyes:

Murray is not to be underestimated.

I know some of people here don't appreciate his style, calling him moonballer etc, but think it over. What makes Federer great (aside of his general wizardry) is that he's both a great server and a great returner - not the best in either department, but close to the top. While other great servers are often poor returners (Ljubo for example :sad: ), and other great returners are rather bad servers (Nalbandian :sad: ).

On the other hand, Murray is one of very few people who have both a very good 1st serve (just needs to work on its consistency and reliability) and an amazing return of 1st serves. That's a winning combination already; unless something bad happens to him, he is definitely at least top 5 in my book.

decrepitude
02-23-2007, 09:09 AM
To me it depends if Murray is fit enough for his 9th match in 2 weeks. He is one of the less fit players on tour.

Murray WAS one of the less fit players on tour. That hasn't been a problem for some time, don't forget last autumn he played 14 matches in 17 days and won, I think, 12 of them. . .

He has worked really hard on his fitness.

scoobs
02-23-2007, 11:13 AM
Amazing how people continue to blether on about Murray's fitness like the last 18 months have not happened.

Murray has more work to do on his fitness I feel but playing back to back weeks at 3 set match ATP level is not a problem for him now even if he goes deep into both weeks.

Shrinking Violet
02-23-2007, 01:17 PM
Fitness hasn't been an issue for a while. Obviously he can still get stronger, but his fitness is as good as most of the other guys on tour. He's working on it but the fitness hasn't been a problem for ages.

Corey Feldman
02-23-2007, 05:05 PM
IMHO if he beats koubek the match with roddick would be evenly matched:)Rubbish, Muzza is the tennis player ... not A-Rod.
Koubek will give him a harder game than andy in the semis.
they are both going down.

cmurray
02-23-2007, 05:12 PM
Rubbish, Muzza is the tennis player ... not A-Rod.
Koubek will give him a harder game than andy in the semis.
they are both going down.

I tend to agree here. I think Koubek will be more difficult. Murray already knows he can beat Roddick - he does it with alarming regularity. :lol: Murray reads Roddick's serve REALLY well...thereby taking away Roddick's biggest weapon. I've a feeling that Murray is going to be the bane of Roddick's existance for some time to come.

Shrinking Violet
02-23-2007, 08:52 PM
If he beats Koubek then it'll be interesting to see if Roddick goes back to the Cincy, uber aggresive version that got in Andy's face or if he plays the way he usually plays against Andy. I think to be honest, it would take Murray to have a poor day (or Roddick to have an exceptional day) for Roddick to beat Murray, but you never know. The match-up definitely doesn't favour Roddick at all, but if the serve is on then he has a chance (although the serve was on last week and that didn't help.)

yakuzaninja
02-23-2007, 09:31 PM
If he beats Koubek then it'll be interesting to see if Roddick goes back to the Cincy, uber aggresive version that got in Andy's face or if he plays the way he usually plays against Andy. I think to be honest, it would take Murray to have a poor day (or Roddick to have an exceptional day) for Roddick to beat Murray, but you never know. The match-up definitely doesn't favour Roddick at all, but if the serve is on then he has a chance (although the serve was on last week and that didn't help.)

I think both players are very evenly matched and it shown last week.

It would be tight again if they face each other.

Horatio Caine
02-23-2007, 09:32 PM
Really? What makes you think that?:rolleyes:

:confused: Cos if he had taken more bps, he would have conceded fewer games? :rolleyes:

Horatio Caine
02-23-2007, 09:34 PM
Koubek will give him a harder game than andy in the semis.
they are both going down.

If you're right, boy is tomorrow night going to be :drool: :devil: :hearts:

:wavey: Roddick


...but it will be closer than that :lol:

Shrinking Violet
02-23-2007, 09:39 PM
I think both players are very evenly matched and it shown last week.

It would be tight again if they face each other.

Nah, I don't think so. I think the fact that the only time Roddick has won a set against Murray has been after Murray had played three weeks on the bounce pretty much says it all.

If Roddick serves well and Murray doesn't return well then sure, Roddick can win but overall Roddick has a game that is made for Murray. Big serve vs great returner? No contest. Average volleyer, average groundies - I just don't see how, if both players play well, Roddick comes out on top against Murray.