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De Villiers:Suspensions for top players who withdraw from 2009/Madrid event before RG

Raquel
02-21-2007, 09:42 PM
I wonder how long players would get suspended? Say someone pulled out of a big event before a Grand Slam, would the suspension cover the Grand Slam?

Also, looks like Madrid is getting a joint ATP/WTA event before RG, especially if Tiriac is backing them ;)

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_sports/view/259899/1/.html

Tennis: ATP boss imposes strict pull-out sanctions for 2009
Posted: 22 February 2007 0033 hrs

ROTTERDAM, The Netherlands : New strict sanctions for withdrawals from ATP events are set to be imposed in 2009 when players in top eight elite events will be fined and suspended if they do not show up, the ATP Tour said on Wednesday.

ATP chairman Etienne de Villiers announced a major renovation of the men's game including 1,000 ranking points for each winner of an elite event.

"We had 384 withdrawals last year," said de Villiers, who formerly ran the Disney operation in Europe. "On the basis of 2,000 players jobs, that's a fifth.

"It's like going to a U2 concert and one of the band members doesn't bother to show up. That's the kind of thinking we have to impress upon the players."

This week's Rotterdam event is a perfect example of the chronic problem, with pullouts through injury and other reasons from the likes of Tim Henman, Marcos Baghdatis, Mario Ancic and - the day before his opening match - Lleyton Hewitt.

"This is a complicated issue," said the ATP boss. "Our sport is incredibly demanding physically. I would say that most injury pullouts are legitimate.

"But we are now offering them as a (no-penalty) option. We want to close that door."

"There are no options for these events, it's eight of eight for the players. If you (a top player) don't show up, you will be fined and suspended.

"We have to put some teeth into this - and you can guess how popular I am with the players right now."

De Villiers said that the organisation hopes to end the tournament entry cutoff three instead of the current six weeks before the start of an event to help players plan their schedules better.

And in an attempt to lower player fatigue, best-of-five set finals will be scrapped.

And on the new system of allocating ranking points, de Villiers added: "We will probably call them "1,000 pointers," because that's what they will be worth to players."

The doubling of ranking points - de Villiers hopes the four Grand Slam will obligingly lift their own awards from 1,000 to 2,000 point to maintain separation - is the carrot part of an equation designed to address the plague of mounting player pullouts.

De Villiers said that plans are to stage a combined men's and women's event in Europe before Roland Garros - Madrid with super impresario Ion Tiriac are said to have the inside edge - and also one in China in the autumn.

In addition, the season-ending championships - to be re-named from the Tennis Masters Cup - will return to Europe.

"This makes since, China has a huge potential in almost everything and our sport has resonated in the country through the Masters Cup (currently staged in Shanghai in November)," said South African de Villiers. "It also makes sense to end the tennis season in Europe."

- AFP /ls

kobulingam
02-21-2007, 09:47 PM
ATP doesn't have power over the slams. Say Roger and Rafa play MC and ROME finals then decide to skip Hamburg. ATP can't prevent them from playing in RG, so a ban would only prevent Roger/Rafa from playing ATP matches (not slams).

So basically Roger would just play RG, then practice on grass aftwards, and play Wimbledon. Then he'll take the ban.... (which happens to coincide with his vacation).

Deboogle!.
02-21-2007, 09:48 PM
ATP doesn't have power over the slams. Say Roger and Rafa play MC and ROME finals then decide to skip Hamburg. ATP can't prevent them from playing in RG, so a ban would only prevent Roger/Rafa from playing ATP matches (not slams).

So basically Roger would just play RG, then practice on grass aftwards, and play Wimbledon. Then he'll take the ban.... (which happens to coincide with his vacation).Probably not the best example, since it seems pretty clear at this point that MC, Rome, and Hamburg won't all exist in 2009 ;)

Sunset of Age
02-21-2007, 09:49 PM
So, and when does Mr. Disney start working on the REAL problem that causes the players to become injured and/or fatigued in the first place, namely the back-to-back scheduling of many tournaments? :rolleyes:

Feketepuss
02-21-2007, 09:53 PM
The BBC report states that Mr Disney wishes to create four categories of tournament, slams, masters, 10 lesser and "others", and apparently "top players" won't be allowed to play in the "others."

In practise, it means that any player from a small country would be prevented from playing in a home event which is hardly fair on the country that raised them. Why shouldn't Ancic and Ljubicic play in Croatia? Basically,unless Croatia has one of the ten "others" then they won't be allowed to play.

Crazy.

Deboogle!.
02-21-2007, 09:55 PM
The BBC report states that Mr Disney wishes to create four categories of tournament, slams, masters, 10 lesser and "others", and apparently "top players" won't be allowed to play in the "others."

In practise, it means that any player from a small country would be prevented from playing in a home event which is hardly fair on the country that raised them. Why shouldn't Ancic and Ljubicic play in Croatia? Basically,unless Croatia has one of the ten "others" then they won't be allowed to play.

Crazy.That whole thing is still very unclear to me, I don't have a good grasp on it at all, so unless someone has some more details besides what all these articles are saying, it seems fair to reserve judgment until finding out more of the details....

Pfloyd
02-21-2007, 09:56 PM
I'm feeling a bit 'slow' today.

What is it that's going to happen in madrid in 2009?

kobulingam
02-21-2007, 09:57 PM
The BBC report states that Mr Disney wishes to create four categories of tournament, slams, masters, 10 lesser and "others", and apparently "top players" won't be allowed to play in the "others."

In practise, it means that any player from a small country would be prevented from playing in a home event which is hardly fair on the country that raised them. Why shouldn't Ancic and Ljubicic play in Croatia? Basically,unless Croatia has one of the ten "others" then they won't be allowed to play.

Crazy.


ATP doesn't have enough power to do this to the big stars. Example, Federer could just tell ATP to f-off, play the 4 slams, and any other tournament that doesn't bend over for the ATP. The stars could simply start another tour to crush the ATP.

NicoFan
02-21-2007, 10:06 PM
I agree with cracking down on players withdrawing from tournaments - it's killing the sport.

But I don't like the "other" category - small tournaments are also important for the sport. Whether de Villiers knows it or not.

Via
02-21-2007, 10:12 PM
it's a good idea not having to put up with invalid withdrawal excuses, but i don't know how well they can implement it... as long as someone complains there's pain somewhere, no doctor can trivialise that and not issue a sick certificate. it's not like the old atp hadn't thought of that when they made the 'compulsory' events in the first place. de villiers is good at doing the talk, that's for sure.

as for three weeks' entry cutoff, well, don't know if the tournaments like that for doing their promotions.

and as usual, de villiers has announced some plan (1000 points) without discussing with relevant people (this time, the slams). is he addicted to making big announcements, for the sake of it? i'm seeing a trend here lol

bavaria100
02-21-2007, 10:15 PM
If Madrid gets a clay AMS, what's going to happen to their indoor tournament?

Peacemaster
02-21-2007, 10:17 PM
"We had 384 withdrawals last year," said de Villiers, who formerly ran the Disney operation in Europe. "On the basis of 2,000 players jobs, that's a fifth.

"It's like going to a U2 concert and one of the band members doesn't bother to show up. That's the kind of thinking we have to impress upon the players."

Hmm... U2 has four members. One fifth of U2 would be 80% of one of the members. Nice try Etienne, but leave the mathematical metaphors to the people who can actually do math.

And we wonder why the ATP suffers in popularity... :o

zicofirol
02-21-2007, 10:21 PM
this is retarded, so instaed of not showing for a tournament the player just goes to lose in 1st round? and enough with giving more points to these tournaments, it only keeps the robredo's of the top 10, in longer, when they win these tournaments with no top player in site...

retarded idea, look at the cause of the withdrawls, the stupid scheduling ...

Cervantes
02-21-2007, 10:29 PM
I'm probably gonna get my ass kicked for this, but I from what I read now this isn't all that bad. Finally the ATP is doing something about the schedule and although a lot of tournament directors won't be happy with these changes I do think it's for the best of the game.

From what I understand elite players MUST play 12 tournaments plus any additonal tournaments from the 10 remaining tournaments they can play. So now they can choose a max of 22 tournaments. This means more head-to-head battles between the top players, cause they can't avoid each other by playing different tournaments. Excellent!

And because there are only 10 optionals available, these tournaments will mostly likely feature a very strong field. I just hope they'll find a good distribution for these 10 tournaments. Most likely these will be the International Series Gold events we have nowadays, so that'll be:

Rotterdam
Memphis
Dubai
Acapulco
Barcelona
Stuttgart
Kitzbühel
Tokyo
Vienna

Some of these events are in the same week, so they'll have to be moved or be replaced by other tournaments. Stuttgart and Kitzbühel are problem tournaments cause in the current schedule they are played on a dead surface (meaning they don't lead up to a AMS or GS). And of course Memphis/Rotterdam and Dubai/Acapulco have to be seperated (Acapulco should be moved to after Miami, but before Monte Carlo).

scoobs
02-21-2007, 10:36 PM
There really aren't enough details out there to form a proper opinion on the proposals - it's all rumour and half-stories.

I want to see the concrete agreed proposals before I really go to town on it. There's no point getting wound up about half a plan.

LaTenista
02-21-2007, 10:37 PM
There really aren't enough details out there to form a proper opinion on the proposals - it's all rumour and half-stories.

I want to see the concrete agreed proposals before I really go to town on it. There's no point getting wound up about half a plan.

Well said. :worship: For now it's just Mr. Disney sounding like an idiot again.

nisha
02-21-2007, 10:40 PM
2009? dont be rushing yourself now, will you!;)

Kalliopeia
02-21-2007, 10:45 PM
There really aren't enough details out there to form a proper opinion on the proposals - it's all rumour and half-stories.

I want to see the concrete agreed proposals before I really go to town on it. There's no point getting wound up about half a plan.

All he ever has is half a plan, though. He makes announcements without ever thinking about how his big ideas are going to work in the real world. When he first announced Round Robin he basically said "Well I don't really know how it'll work yet...but who cares, let's do it anyway!"

If they're threatening fines and suspensions, all that means is that a player will show up, play half a set, call out the trainer and retire citing injury after 20 minutes. Great idea! :rolleyes: And if the thing about not being allowed to play certain tournaments is true, I cannot imagine the players OR tournament directors putting up with that.

scoobs
02-21-2007, 10:53 PM
Sooner or later this will crystallise into a complete proposed schedule and format for points/fines etc.

When that comes I will then see what I think of it.

Deboogle!.
02-21-2007, 10:56 PM
Sooner or later this will crystallise into a complete proposed schedule and format for points/fines etc.

When that comes I will then see what I think of it.exactly

NicoFan
02-21-2007, 11:01 PM
I agree with Deb and Scoobs that it's not anything to get upset about until we see the entire plan.

But I thought this was an interesting quote from Amelie - she is criticizing the top women players for reneging on their commitments. And I definitely agree with the last line - it is a matter of respect - to the fans, to the sponsors, to the game as a whole. De Villiers is trying to address the same issue on the men's side and I think that is great.

She said "10 or 20% of leading players" were pulling of out of tournaments.

"When I pull out of a tournament, I cannot play, there is no question of that. Yeah, maybe fines don't get to a player the way they should. But it's also a matter of respect and the way you've been raised as a kid."

Gulliver
02-21-2007, 11:40 PM
"We had 384 withdrawals last year," said de Villiers, who formerly ran the Disney operation in Europe. "On the basis of 2,000 players jobs, that's a fifth.

So why does he penalise everybody? I bet there are some individuals (and a certain #2 has totted up plenty) who can be identified as withdrawing rather more than acceptable.

Reminds me of the teacher who keeps the whole class in after school because she/he is unsure who did the misbehaving. And Mr. Disney actually knows who the main culprits are, as well as those who had a legitimate reason.

Winston's Human
02-22-2007, 01:35 AM
From what I understand elite players MUST play 12 tournaments plus any additonal tournaments from the 10 remaining tournaments they can play. So now they can choose a max of 22 tournaments. This means more head-to-head battles between the top players, cause they can't avoid each other by playing different tournaments. Excellent!

And because there are only 10 optionals available, these tournaments will mostly likely feature a very strong field. I just hope they'll find a good distribution for these 10 tournaments. Most likely these will be the International Series Gold events we have nowadays, so that'll be:

Rotterdam
Memphis
Dubai
Acapulco
Barcelona
Stuttgart
Kitzbühel
Tokyo
Vienna

Some of these events are in the same week, so they'll have to be moved or be replaced by other tournaments. Stuttgart and Kitzbühel are problem tournaments cause in the current schedule they are played on a dead surface (meaning they don't lead up to a AMS or GS). And of course Memphis/Rotterdam and Dubai/Acapulco have to be seperated (Acapulco should be moved to after Miami, but before Monte Carlo).


One problem with using this list is that it does not include either Halle or Queens. Would Mr. Disney prohibit the top players from playing a grass court warm-up tournament?

Action Jackson
02-22-2007, 01:39 AM
Mr.Disney should be suspended from making public announcements.

keqtqiadv
02-22-2007, 02:11 AM
"It's like going to a U2 concert and one of the band members doesn't bother to show up. That's the kind of thinking we have to impress upon the players."
U2? It's tennis :retard:

Seraphim
02-22-2007, 03:05 AM
Mr.Disney should be suspended from making public announcements.

OMG LMAOOOOOOOOO.

Merton
02-22-2007, 03:27 AM
That whole thing is still very unclear to me, I don't have a good grasp on it at all, so unless someone has some more details besides what all these articles are saying, it seems fair to reserve judgment until finding out more of the details....

What is this? Making sense in GM?

Merton
02-22-2007, 03:27 AM
As for suspending top players, I will believe it when I see it.

R.Federer
02-22-2007, 04:44 AM
I like that they are even bothering to address the withdrawals. 20% of withdrawals is a lot. I don't know how much it is in other physically demanding sports, but not 20% of these players are truly injured. Tiredness, boredom, shifting priorities, not wanting to fly a long distance, and all other kinds of non-injuries surely are a part of it.

Deboogle!.
02-22-2007, 04:47 AM
What is this? Making sense in GM?I know, it's not allowed

:p

CmonAussie
02-22-2007, 07:48 AM
Found this at www.bbc.co.uk:eek:
...
Biggest surprise is that there will be 8-AMS & 10 Tier-3 tourneys, while the remaining tourneys will become pseudo challengers:eek:


ATP chief boosts London Cup hopes

Federer won his third Masters Cup in four years in Shanghai last year
The ATP has reiterated that London could host the end-of-season Masters Cup from 2009 as one of a set of changes being made to the series.
The Masters Series will be cut from nine to eight tournaments with the Cup being moved from Asia to Europe.

ATP president Etienne de Villiers said: "The Masters Cup will be called the ATP World Tour Finals and I would like it to be played in London."

De Villiers added that players who miss top ranking events will be punished.

The strict new sanctions for withdrawals from ATP tournaments will be imposed from 2009, with players fined and even suspended if they do not show up at the top eight elite events.

"We had 384 withdrawals last year," De Villiers said.

"There are no options for these events, it's eight of eight for the players. If you don't show up, you will be fined and suspended.

"We have to put some teeth into this - and you can guess how popular I am with the players right now."

De Villiers also said that one of the eight Masters Series events would be held in China.

Shanghai hosted the end-of-year event in 2005 and 2006 but will still stage the championship this season and next.

ATP tournaments in 2009 will also come under four categories of importance, the four grand slams, the Masters Series, 10 other selected events and others.

The fourth category of tournament will not feature top players.

De Villiers explained: "Just as in football, we have to make clear to the people that tennis also acknowledges a second and third division."


...
>>>
Do you believe this will actually happen:confused: :confused:

Are the rumours about Monte Carlo & Hamburg being downgraded true:confused:
...
What 10-tourneys will be classified as `Tier-3`:confused:
...
What tourneys will become pseudo challengers??

Cervantes
02-22-2007, 09:04 AM
One problem with using this list is that it does not include either Halle or Queens. Would Mr. Disney prohibit the top players from playing a grass court warm-up tournament?

True. Surely one of those has to become part of the new tour. And others (like for instance Memphis) will have to go. Schedule will probably have to look something like this

1 Sydney (optional)
3+4 Australian Open
7 Dubai (optional)
9+10 Indian Wells
11+12 Miami
14 Acapulco (optional)
15 Monte Carlo
17 Rome
19 Madrid
21+22 Roland Garros
24 Queens/Halle (optional)
26+27 Wimbledon
29 Stuttgart (optional)
30 Washington (optional)
31 Toronto
33 Cincinnati
35+36 US Open
38 Tokyo (optional)
39 China Open
41 Rotterdam (optional)
42 Vienna (optional)
44 Paris

I moved Roland Garros to 3rd week of May instead of 4th, to make room for a week between Roland Garros and Queens/Halle. Hamburg is replaced by the China Open. I still have to get scratch one of the AMS events though and make it an optional event. Maybe Cincinnati?

MariaV
02-22-2007, 10:40 AM
"When I pull out of a tournament, I cannot play, there is no question of that. Yeah, maybe fines don't get to a player the way they should. But it's also a matter of respect and the way you've been raised as a kid."

I knew there's a reason why I like Amélie. :yeah: :worship: :bowdown:

decrepitude
02-22-2007, 10:41 AM
With regard to the ban on top players playing in the lowest-level tournaments being unfair to top players from small countries - I would be surprised if there wasn't a loop-hole for this. Isn't there a rule at the moment that anyone in the top 50 can not play Challengers, unless it is their home event in which case they can take a wild card? Something like that anyhow, which is how Malisse can play in Mons.

keqtqiadv
02-22-2007, 11:10 AM
:silly:

scarecrows
02-22-2007, 11:14 AM
I

"It's like going to a U2 concert and one of the band members doesn't bother to show up. That's the kind of thinking we have to impress upon the players."


I'd love a U2 concert without Bono

nobama
02-22-2007, 12:01 PM
True. Surely one of those has to become part of the new tour. And others (like for instance Memphis) will have to go. Schedule will probably have to look something like this

1 Sydney (optional)
3+4 Australian Open
7 Dubai (optional)
9+10 Indian Wells
11+12 Miami
14 Acapulco (optional)
15 Monte Carlo
17 Rome
19 Madrid
21+22 Roland Garros
24 Queens/Halle (optional)
26+27 Wimbledon
29 Stuttgart (optional)
30 Washington (optional)
31 Toronto
33 Cincinnati
35+36 US Open
38 Tokyo (optional)
39 China Open
41 Rotterdam (optional)
42 Vienna (optional)
44 Paris

I moved Roland Garros to 3rd week of May instead of 4th, to make room for a week between Roland Garros and Queens/Halle. Hamburg is replaced by the China Open. I still have to get scratch one of the AMS events though and make it an optional event. Maybe Cincinnati?
What about events like Doha, St. Petersburg, Basel? They're not ISG events but the prize money is greater than any of the optionals you have listed (except for Dubai). I can't imagine those events being taken out of the schedule or relegated to some third tier that the top players aren't allowed to play in.

Action Jackson
02-22-2007, 12:11 PM
I'd love a U2 concert without Bono

Adam Clayton is the most talented one in that group.

scarecrows
02-22-2007, 12:13 PM
true

Adam Clayton > The Edge > Larry Mullen Jr. >>>>>>>>>> Bono

TennisGrandSlam
02-22-2007, 12:24 PM
ATP doesn't have power over the slams. Say Roger and Rafa play MC and ROME finals then decide to skip Hamburg. ATP can't prevent them from playing in RG, so a ban would only prevent Roger/Rafa from playing ATP matches (not slams).

So basically Roger would just play RG, then practice on grass aftwards, and play Wimbledon. Then he'll take the ban.... (which happens to coincide with his vacation).

Is it ATP players have right to skip 2 out of 9 Tennis Masters Series :confused:

Action Jackson
02-22-2007, 12:28 PM
true

Adam Clayton > The Edge > Larry Mullen Jr. >>>>>>>>>> Bono

They lost me after the Unforgettable Fire.

CooCooCachoo
02-22-2007, 12:30 PM
This will be the sanction:

http://abnamrowtt.nl/data/upload/afbeeldingen/dagjournaal/atpdj.jpg

Mr. Disney will grab the players by the balls, by the looks of it.

kapranos
02-22-2007, 12:35 PM
I didn't know U2 were athletes.

Sunset of Age
02-22-2007, 12:35 PM
^^ should be in the Funny Foto's-thread, too.
Someone around for the photoshop-job? :devil:

alfonsojose
02-22-2007, 12:38 PM
comparing an U2 member with an ATP player .. *sigh* :rolleyes:

scarecrows
02-22-2007, 12:38 PM
This will be the sanction:

http://abnamrowtt.nl/data/upload/afbeeldingen/dagjournaal/atpdj.jpg

Mr. Disney will grab the players by the balls, by the looks of it.

:lol:

Action Jackson
02-22-2007, 12:40 PM
This will be the sanction:

http://abnamrowtt.nl/data/upload/afbeeldingen/dagjournaal/atpdj.jpg

Mr. Disney will grab the players by the balls, by the looks of it.

Hahaha, I am liking Krajicek's reaction. He's probably thinking "Mr. Disney wishes he had balls this size".

kapranos
02-22-2007, 12:41 PM
comparing an U2 member with an ATP player .. *sigh* :rolleyes:

I mean, how does playing a guitar or singing provoke any injury. :rolleyes: The only injured people are those who fall asleep on the floor when Bono starts talking about Africa.

MariaV
02-22-2007, 12:45 PM
comparing an U2 member with an ATP player .. *sigh* :rolleyes:

That's where we've arrived Alfonso. It's all about the showbizz now with Mr Disney. :shrug:

Action Jackson
02-22-2007, 12:49 PM
You never know Mr.Disney probably goes around singing the tune "I Still Haven't Found What I am Looking For". I am not even sure Disney De Villiers knows what his vision is.

This is a guy who has a 1000 ideas a day and 1001 of them are bad.

scarecrows
02-22-2007, 12:53 PM
I mean, how does playing a guitar or singing provoke any injury. :rolleyes: The only injured people are those who fall asleep on the floor when Bono starts talking about Africa.

haha, good one

Action Jackson
02-22-2007, 12:54 PM
I mean, how does playing a guitar or singing provoke any injury. :rolleyes: The only injured people are those who fall asleep on the floor when Bono starts talking about Africa.

:haha:

oz_boz
02-22-2007, 12:57 PM
true

Adam Clayton > The Edge > Larry Mullen Jr. >>>>>>>>>> Bono

You got the order of the first two guys wrong.

Rosa Luxembourg
02-22-2007, 12:59 PM
The point inflation is hitting double digits on ATP. :p

Action Jackson
02-22-2007, 12:59 PM
You got the order of the first two guys wrong.

Mr. Disney will order a new theme "I Will Follow" so they can follow all of his 1001 directives.

alfonsojose
02-22-2007, 01:00 PM
I mean, how does playing a guitar or singing provoke any injury. :rolleyes: The only injured people are those who fall asleep on the floor when Bono starts talking about Africa.

:haha: :haha:

DarkMarc
02-22-2007, 01:01 PM
:(

it's impressive to see how one guy can make a shit out of one of the best sports in the world...

scarecrows
02-22-2007, 01:02 PM
You got the order of the first two guys wrong.

the bass on Sunday Bloody Sunday takes some beating ;)

alfonsojose
02-22-2007, 01:03 PM
This will be the sanction:

http://abnamrowtt.nl/data/upload/afbeeldingen/dagjournaal/atpdj.jpg

Mr. Disney will grab the players by the balls, by the looks of it.

Krajicek looks hot as hell :drool:

Aphex
02-22-2007, 01:04 PM
Mr. Disney will order a new theme "I Will Follow" so they can follow all of his 1001 directives.
:lol:

CmonAussie
02-22-2007, 01:10 PM
:(

it's impressive to see how one guy can make a shit out of one of the best sports in the world...


:wavey:
I thought it was funny when Mr.Disney recently admitted that Round Robin was confusing:eek:
...
What a nob he is, ~seems he think the ATP tour is his personal playground for trial & error ~> at huge agony & expense to many others:mad:

oz_boz
02-22-2007, 01:11 PM
the bass on Sunday Bloody Sunday takes some beating ;)

The guitar on "Where the streets have no name" :bowdown:

scarecrows
02-22-2007, 01:14 PM
The guitar on "Where the streets have no name" :bowdown:

haha, this thread made me listen to best of 80-90 and I'm exactly on that song

I'm not fond of U2 BTW, just a bunch of songs i like

Action Jackson
02-22-2007, 01:15 PM
haha, this thread made me listen to best of 80-90 and I'm exactly on that song

I'm not fond of U2 BTW, just a bunch of songs i like

Early stuff is better for me. I mean Bono had a great mullet in the Unforgettable Fire.

t0x
02-22-2007, 01:25 PM
I think 8 is still enough to piss off the top players. Reduce it to 6 and everybody will be happy.

Lets wait for an exact plan. Right now I'm not exactly against this...

The withdrawal thingy does sound poor - you still need a doctor to excuse you now I believe so I don't see how things will change? Players could complain of anything small to get off the tournament... and they can't suspend people from GSs anyway!

CmonAussie
02-22-2007, 02:39 PM
Last year the plan was to have 4 Super Masters Series Events(Joint WTA)

Now they are going to have 8

What will Mr Disney decide to change next???


:wavey:
Yeah De Villiers seems to make things up as he goes, it all comes across like a schoolboy who is overly enthusiastic but has no solid long-term plan:o

jazar
02-22-2007, 02:44 PM
they try to make these changes for the benefit of the fans, but dont actually bother to consult us to see what we really want

Hugh Jaas
02-22-2007, 02:51 PM
"There are no options for these events, it's eight of eight for the players. If you don't show up, you will be fined and suspended.

"We have to put some teeth into this - and you can guess how popular I am with the players right now."

whats he smoking?

if they get fined $10,000 for sneezing every 2 seconds sooner or later the players will get fed up with this oppressive regime just set up their own tour.


Mr disney the players ARE bigger than the game!

Labamba
02-22-2007, 03:06 PM
Mr. Disney yesterday in Rotterdam:

De Villiers also unveiled some of the plans for the upcoming calendar change. "The four Grand Slam tournaments will remain the highlights of the tennis season. Below those tournaments, we plan to have ‘point tournaments’, in which the players can earn 1000, 500 or 250 points. We’ll have eight 1000-point tournaments and ten to twelve 500-point tournaments."

According to Krajicek: "The ABN AMRO World Tennis Tournament hopes to belong to the '500-point' category and is working to achieve that aim.” Krajicek realises that there are other contenders: "That’s why I’m so pleased that De Villiers paid us a visit and was able to see first-hand that our tournament offers far more than just tennis."

Cervantes
02-22-2007, 09:35 PM
What about events like Doha, St. Petersburg, Basel? They're not ISG events but the prize money is greater than any of the optionals you have listed (except for Dubai). I can't imagine those events being taken out of the schedule or relegated to some third tier that the top players aren't allowed to play in.

I was just listing the current ISG events and combine those with events that need to stay to preper for the Grand Slams (Sydney, Halle/Queens). Also I took into account the current position on the calendar of those tournaments and kept them in place. Surely they can move some tournaments around and probably the eventual list will look a lot different than mine, but I was just speculating. In fact it might be best to shift the China Open and the Tokyo optional to just before the Australian Open. That would open some room for more European indoor tournaments (like St. Petersburg or Moscow).

Reading between the lines, the 8 Masters Series will be

1 Indian Wells
2 Miami
3 Monte Carlo
4 Madrid or Rome
5 Canada
6 Cincinatti
7 Asia
8 Paris


I personally think Rome should get the vote but Tiriac's influence will guarantee Madrid win the vote

Madrid looks like a sure bet, so it'll probably be either Monte Carlo or Rome.

R.Federer
02-22-2007, 11:53 PM
Well, the problem with this is that in order to avoid the fines, the sick and injured players will hobble on to court, sneezing and wheezing, play a few points, and retire.

What's he going to do then? Install fines for retiring as well?

Peoples
02-23-2007, 12:25 AM
It's ridiculous. They're gonna punish players over this while watching guys on juice like Canas or Chela happily running around? Villiers should get his priorities right.

Via
02-23-2007, 12:46 AM
Well, the problem with this is that in order to avoid the fines, the sick and injured players will hobble on to court, sneezing and wheezing, play a few points, and retire.

What's he going to do then? Install fines for retiring as well?

:sad: that sounds like wayne arthurs at the AO this year. a sad sight. and a real disappointment for fans.

but i suppose in that case, at least the players will win a lot of sympathy, and the atp will not be blamed :rolleyes:

Kalliopeia
02-23-2007, 01:02 AM
Well, the problem with this is that in order to avoid the fines, the sick and injured players will hobble on to court, sneezing and wheezing, play a few points, and retire.

What's he going to do then? Install fines for retiring as well?

Yes. They have to play or else. In order to encourage compliance they'll have special workers, sort of like ballboys only armed with rubber gloves and wet wipes, ready to clean up after them if anyone happens to be bleeding. Gotta keep the courts safe!

NicoFan
02-23-2007, 12:44 PM
You all really believe that players drop out of tournaments because they are really injured or sick?

:haha: :haha:

Come on now. You are all not that naive.

Bravo to de Villiers for addressing this issue. One of the few things he is doing right. :yeah:

It's a huge problem. Like Amelie said, it's a matter of respect.

Respect for the fans who pay money to see their top players and favorites, respect for the sponsors who pay mucho dinero to sponsor these events, and respect for the game.

alfonsojose
02-23-2007, 12:59 PM
You all really believe that players drop out of tournaments because they are really injured or sick?

:haha: :haha:

Come on now. You are all not that naive.

Bravo to de Villiers for addressing this issue. One of the few things he is doing right. :yeah:

It's a huge problem. Like Amelie said, it's a matter of respect.

Respect for the fans who pay money to see their top players and favorites, respect for the sponsors who pay mucho dinero to sponsor these events, and respect for the game.

:yeah: Last year JesusFed shouldn't have gone to Tokyo if he knew he would play Basel and one of the indoors AMS. They schedule just to go after the money :ras:

keqtqiadv
02-23-2007, 01:08 PM
:retard:

NicoFan
02-23-2007, 01:12 PM
:yeah: Last year JesusFed shouldn't have gone to Tokyo if he knew he would play Basel and one of the indoors AMS. They schedule just to go after the money :ras:

It's not just Fed - it's most of the guys, especially the guys near the top.

It's about the money, and it's all clearly about themselves...and only themselves.

They don't care about the game, about the sponsors, or about the fans.

cobalt60
02-23-2007, 02:04 PM
Someone with more info correct me but I remember reading that if a player was injured, they needed to be examined by an official medical agent, and not their own doc. And then they needed a written form excusing them:scratch:

Nathaliia
02-23-2007, 02:11 PM
He reminds me the continuously changing governments in Poland. They come and have a feeling they should change something, they don't know what to change, so they change everything without a clue.

nobama
02-23-2007, 03:37 PM
It's not just Fed - it's most of the guys, especially the guys near the top.

It's about the money, and it's all clearly about themselves...and only themselves.

They don't care about the game, about the sponsors, or about the fans.What are you talking about? There are plenty of fans in Japan that I'm sure were quite happy to see Fed and everyone else who played in Tokyo. One of his practice sessions was opened to the public and 3,000 or so fans showed up to watch it.

I don't get this mentality that the only fans who matter are those in Australia, the United States and Europe. And if a top players plays somewhere else that means they don't care about the game or the fans. :shrug:

nobama
02-23-2007, 03:41 PM
:yeah: Last year JesusFed shouldn't have gone to Tokyo if he knew he would play Basel and one of the indoors AMS. They schedule just to go after the money :ras:Maybe so but at least fans in Tokyo got to see him play. And maybe he wanted to visit Japan since he'd never been there before. I don't doubt he got big $$ to go play there. Why is that a problem? I'm sure his fans in Tokyo didn't care because they got to see him play up close.

NicoFan
02-23-2007, 03:54 PM
What are you talking about? There are plenty of fans in Japan that I'm sure were quite happy to see Fed and everyone else who played in Tokyo. One of his practice sessions was opened to the public and 3,000 or so fans showed up to watch it.

I don't get this mentality that the only fans who matter are those in Australia, the United States and Europe. And if a top players plays somewhere else that means they don't care about the game or the fans. :shrug:

:confused:

Mirkaland? Did you read my posts? I wasn't talking about your King Fed. I was talking about all the players. I never mentioned Roger and Tokyo. :rolleyes: And where the heck are you getting anything from my posts for what you wrote in your second paragraph? If you are going to yell at someone, yell at the right person.

As for whether or not they need to get a doctor at the tournament to sign off on the injury - in theory, yes, they do. In reality, no. And most times just saying they are tired seems to do the trick, or they go and do some charity event since they are there anyway to appease tournament officials.

Jim Courier
02-23-2007, 04:56 PM
You can't force someone to play, should it really be implemented players will tank and waste a draw spot.

Kalliopeia
02-23-2007, 05:32 PM
You all really believe that players drop out of tournaments because they are really injured or sick?

:haha: :haha:

Come on now. You are all not that naive.


It does happen from time to time, you know.

NicoFan
02-23-2007, 05:35 PM
It does happen from time to time, you know.

Of course.

But not at the rate that these guys are dropping out of tournaments.

And they don't even pretend anymore half the time to be injured. They used to. But no more.

nobama
02-23-2007, 05:43 PM
:confused:

Mirkaland? Did you read my posts? I wasn't talking about your King Fed. I was talking about all the players. I never mentioned Roger and Tokyo. :rolleyes: And where the heck are you getting anything from my posts for what you wrote in your second paragraph? If you are going to yell at someone, yell at the right person.You were responding to alfonsojose's post and said that players don't care about the game, sponsors or fans. What are you basing that on?

NicoFan
02-23-2007, 05:50 PM
You were responding to alfonsojose's post and said that players don't care about the game, sponsors or fans. What are you basing that on?

Mirkaland - I specifically said that I wasn't talking about just Fed. And then I responded to the part of alfonsojose's post about the money.

I like Fed.

I'm speaking about the players as a whole. Most of whom I also like.

But I think they should play the game when they commit to a tournament unless they truly have an injury.

Not doing so is disrespectful - to the fans, sponsors, and to the sport.

I cannot think of another way to say it to satisfy you that I'm not singling Fed out.