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Karlo tanks the match and loses to Sam Querrey 6-3 6-2

ASP0315
02-21-2007, 07:08 PM
Nice tank job Ivo. :lol: :devil:

Deboogle!.
02-21-2007, 07:09 PM
Why would he tank? :confused:

Deathless Mortal
02-21-2007, 07:09 PM
:smoke: Better get ready for Vegas

ASP0315
02-21-2007, 07:10 PM
Why would he tank? :confused:

He got a lot points to defend in Las Vegas. He is not listed in MD list and might have to Qualify. There is a lot of evidence why he tanked. Plus you don't expect Querrey to hit 18 aces.

Grinder
02-21-2007, 07:11 PM
More like Ivo got outserved and got his ass thoroughly kicked. Way to go Sam. 17 aces to Karlovic's 5 and never faced a break point. :cool:

jazar
02-21-2007, 07:12 PM
well fucked up ivo

R.Federer
02-21-2007, 07:12 PM
Karlovic can't lose a match for playing poorly. It must be because he tanked. Sure!

Deboogle!.
02-21-2007, 07:13 PM
He got a lot points to defend in Las Vegas. He is not listed in MD list and might have to Qualify. There is a lot of evidence why he tanked.wouldn't it have been a lot easier to just try in Memphis then if he couldn't get into Vegas it wouldn't be a big deal? Memphis is worth more points and is a better surface for him. That's very very poor logic. Plus you don't expect Querrey to hit 18 aces.Why not? Karlovic is one of the worst returners I've ever seen and sam's serve is almost as big as Karlovic's.

scoobs
02-21-2007, 07:13 PM
More likely Sam had a good serving day, Ivo's knee was still bothering him and he was tired?

GlennMirnyi
02-21-2007, 07:13 PM
Broken twice in the same set? Tank job at its finest by Ivo.

Deboogle!.
02-21-2007, 07:13 PM
More likely Sam had a good serving day, Ivo's knee was still bothering him and he was tired?No, because that would make sense.

scoobs
02-21-2007, 07:14 PM
No, because that would make sense.
I like to go against the flow :)

RickDaStick
02-21-2007, 07:14 PM
Im sure the Queer couldnt break Karlo twice in one set if Ivo was giving it his all.

Deboogle!.
02-21-2007, 07:14 PM
I like to go against the flow :)well just your luck, at MTF making sense is definitely against the flow!!!!

GlennMirnyi
02-21-2007, 07:14 PM
wouldn't it have been a lot easier to just try in Memphis then if he couldn't get into Vegas it wouldn't be a big deal? Memphis is worth more points and is a better surface for him. That's very very poor logic. Why not? Karlovic is one of the worst returners I've ever seen and sam's serve is almost as big as Karlovic's.

Maybe because he's tired because of all the playing last week? :rolleyes:

Querrey serves as big as Karlovic? :haha: That's :cuckoo:

Deboogle!.
02-21-2007, 07:16 PM
Maybe because he's tired because of all the playing last week? :rolleyes:

Querrey serves as big as Karlovic? :haha: That's :cuckoo:Since when does being tired equal tanking? :scratch: If you said maybe he was tired and didn't play his best, I wouldn't question that. But I don't see how anyone could know he "tanked" without seeing the match

Yes, Querrey serves almost as big as Karlovic. i said almost. please read.

GlennMirnyi
02-21-2007, 07:19 PM
Since when does being tired equal tanking? :scratch: If you said maybe he was tired and didn't play his best, I wouldn't question that. But I don't see how anyone could know he "tanked" without seeing the match

Yes, Querrey serves almost as big as Karlovic. i said almost. please read.

Ivo had points to defend and is tired. That's called the "David Nalbandian sure tanking recipe for sucess".

Almost is "close to", if the meaning hasn't changed. As it's subjective, I'll give you the benefit of doubt, but the day Querrey makes something close to 51 aces in a match, then you can say that.

Deboogle!.
02-21-2007, 07:21 PM
Ivo had points to defend and is tired. That's called the "David Nalbandian sure tanking recipe for sucess".

Almost is "close to", if the meaning hasn't changed. As it's subjective, I'll give you the benefit of doubt, but the day Querrey makes something close to 51 aces in a match, then you can say that.Querrey is 19 and hasn't even been pro for a year. He's huge and serves just as fast as Karlovic. he hasn't even played a 5-setter in which to be able to hit 51 aces. My lord, do you just argue for the sake of arguing? I'm not going to take the bait this time, have fun

madmanfool
02-21-2007, 07:21 PM
easy v-cash, can't believe Ivo was the favorite

madmanfool
02-21-2007, 07:26 PM
Ivo had points to defend and is tired. That's called the "David Nalbandian sure tanking recipe for sucess".

Almost is "close to", if the meaning hasn't changed. As it's subjective, I'll give you the benefit of doubt, but the day Querrey makes something close to 51 aces in a match, then you can say that.

You stupid or something? He hit 17 aces in 9 service games. That's almost 2 a game. Karlovic made 55 aces (according to ATPtennis) against Bracciali in 34 service games. You do the math.

GlennMirnyi
02-21-2007, 07:27 PM
Querrey is 19 and hasn't even been pro for a year. He's huge and serves just as fast as Karlovic. he hasn't even played a 5-setter in which to be able to hit 51 aces. My lord, do you just argue for the sake of arguing? I'm not going to take the bait this time, have fun

I'm just dispelling your eternal defense of American players. They never win because of tanking, they never tank, they are holy and sacred. :rolleyes:

GlennMirnyi
02-21-2007, 07:28 PM
You stupid or something? He hit 17 aces in 9 service games. That's almost 2 a game. Karlovic made 55 aces (according to ATPtennis) against Bracciali in 34 service games. You do the math.

I'm not stupid, I just can realise he played KARLOVIC, not BJORKMAN. Ivo is one of the worst returners ever and was clearly tanking.

Who's the stupid now? I'm sure against a junior even Volandri can make 20-30 aces. Get a clue.

Fergie
02-21-2007, 07:31 PM
Ivo :smash:

Grinder
02-21-2007, 07:36 PM
I'm not stupid, I just can realise he played KARLOVIC, not BJORKMAN. Ivo is one of the worst returners ever and was clearly tanking.

Who's the stupid now? I'm sure against a junior even Volandri can make 20-30 aces. Get a clue.

It's actually tougher to ace Ivo because his huge wingspan can reach out and at least get a racket on most serves. Getting it in the court is where Ivo's shitty returner tag comes into play.

madmanfool
02-21-2007, 07:41 PM
I'm not stupid, I just can realise he played KARLOVIC, not BJORKMAN. Ivo is one of the worst returners ever and was clearly tanking.

Who's the stupid now? I'm sure against a junior even Volandri can make 20-30 aces. Get a clue.

Ivo might be slow as hell, but he has a huge wingspan. All you have to do is get your racket on the ball and it's not an ace. I don't see why he would be easier or harder to ace then the average men.

Fumus
02-21-2007, 07:42 PM
Wait ago Sam(Baby Roddick)!!

Voo de Mar
02-21-2007, 07:51 PM
I'm not stupid, I just can realise he played KARLOVIC, not BJORKMAN. Ivo is one of the worst returners ever and was clearly tanking.


That is clear but isn't easy to serving 2 aces per game against Karlović because he has a very long arms. Maybe today he tanked but Querrey is a good server and he probably is able to serve more than 30 aces in four sets at Wimbledon or US Open.

Jaap
02-21-2007, 08:46 PM
The result comes as no suprise. Karlovic is a mug of a tennis player.

stebs
02-21-2007, 09:35 PM
Querrey is 19 and hasn't even been pro for a year. He's huge and serves just as fast as Karlovic. he hasn't even played a 5-setter in which to be able to hit 51 aces. My lord, do you just argue for the sake of arguing? I'm not going to take the bait this time, have fun

Querrey will never have a serve anything like as good as Karlovic. End of story.

ljubicic_
02-21-2007, 09:39 PM
The result comes as no suprise. Karlovic is a mug of a tennis player.


if so what is Murray then? losing a set and nota bena losing his serve to Karlo.

Too bad that Karlovic was afraid too finish it

Apemant
02-21-2007, 09:49 PM
Querrey will never have a serve anything like as good as Karlovic. End of story.

Won't have the same angles, but Querrey is 198, that pretty big. He could learn to serve as good as PimPim for example. Same height. PimPim's serve is also devastating... or Guccione, 200 cm, also pretty fckng big... why, even Karlo is 'only' 8 cm taller than Gooch

Deboogle!.
02-21-2007, 09:51 PM
Querrey will never have a serve anything like as good as Karlovic. End of story.Please tell me where I said his serve would be as good, no need to put words into my mouth. I said almost. It is almost as good, especially considering his lack of strength and experience at 19, less than a year after turning pro. He's only going to get better.

Sam also is capable of moving around the court and hitting groundstrokes, so really, I think Sam will most gladly accept having a serve that's not quite as good. :)

bad gambler
02-21-2007, 09:55 PM
Match was 50/50 anyway

Corey Feldman
02-21-2007, 10:25 PM
he was still punch drunk from being Muzza'd !

sdtoot
02-21-2007, 10:28 PM
Lets hope Murray doesn't do a Karlovic and tank tonight!!

zicofirol
02-21-2007, 10:28 PM
Querry isnt exactly a break specialist, ivo either had a terrible terrible serving day or tanked... btw, querry is challenging stepanek for ugliest atp player lol...

SwiSha
02-21-2007, 10:37 PM
He got a lot points to defend in Las Vegas. He is not listed in MD list and might have to Qualify. There is a lot of evidence why he tanked. Plus you don't expect Querrey to hit 18 aces.

i think you should watch more tennis matches without Karlovic involved, that Ivo hype is getting over your head..

Querrey is a big server and Ivo a terrible returner .. 18 aces is more expected than unexpected lol

SwiSha
02-21-2007, 10:39 PM
Match was 50/50 anyway

tell that saiprakash0315 :lol:

i think he or she expects Ivo now to make a every final on faster courts lmao

ASP0315
02-21-2007, 10:58 PM
i think you should watching more tennis matches without Karlovic involved, that Ivo hype is getting over your head..

Querrey is a big server and Ivo a terrible returner .. 18 aces is more expected than unexpected lol

so Sam Querrey is roger federer now huh? Hitiing 18 aces and losing 5 games?? Players like Rodditch coulddn't able to outace him, Murray couldn't able win in straigt sets against Ivo.

Get a life.

Horatio Caine
02-21-2007, 11:02 PM
so Sam Querrey is roger federer now huh? Hitiing 18 aces and losing 5 games?? Players like Rodditch coulddn't able to outace him, Murray couldn't able win in straigt sets against Ivo.

Get a life.

MTF's first Karlotard :tape: "Get a life" seems to be your standard phrase. What are you, 12?

I highly doubt Ivo tanked today, and to suggest that is both ludicrous and defamatory. As BG said, the match was 50/50 and Ivo probably struggled with the change of court speed and may well have been sore (particularly in the knees) from last week.

SwiSha
02-21-2007, 11:06 PM
so Sam Querrey is roger federer now huh? Hitiing 18 aces and losing 5 games?? Players like Rodditch coulddn't able to outace him, Murray couldn't able win in straigt sets against Ivo.

Get a life.

who said he is :shrug: ?? do u have to be Federer to beat Karlovic :lol:

man you are new to tennis huh just because Ivo played a good tournament in San Jose does not mean that he will win every match now Karlotard

telling me to get a life when you get excited watching Ivo playing tennis :cuckoo: .. oh please :haha:

watch more tennis and get a grip

JMG
02-21-2007, 11:11 PM
The theory that "he tanked because he has to defend points in Vegas" was also top class. :silly:

Johnny Groove
02-21-2007, 11:12 PM
No, because that would make sense.

I like to go against the flow :)

well just your luck, at MTF making sense is definitely against the flow!!!!

:rolleyes: you guys suck and are boring. :p

Maybe because he's tired because of all the playing last week? :rolleyes:

Querrey serves as big as Karlovic? :haha: That's :cuckoo:

He got a lot points to defend in Las Vegas. He is not listed in MD list and might have to Qualify. There is a lot of evidence why he tanked. Plus you don't expect Querrey to hit 18 aces.

Now THIS is what we need :rocker2:

DrJules
02-21-2007, 11:41 PM
If the score was meaningful it would say that the Querrey is the best returner of serve in the mens game.

Jlee
02-21-2007, 11:48 PM
Sam!!! :yeah:

GlennMirnyi
02-21-2007, 11:49 PM
It's actually tougher to ace Ivo because his huge wingspan can reach out and at least get a racket on most serves. Getting it in the court is where Ivo's shitty returner tag comes into play.

Ivo might be slow as hell, but he has a huge wingspan. All you have to do is get your racket on the ball and it's not an ace. I don't see why he would be easier or harder to ace then the average men.

Blah blah blah always excuses.

tangerine_dream
02-21-2007, 11:55 PM
Sam! Another big win for the new kid on the block :bowdown: :woohoo:

Grinder
02-21-2007, 11:55 PM
Blah blah blah always excuses.


Saying it was a tank is an excuse bud. :lol:

Deboogle!.
02-22-2007, 01:27 AM
Actually, it was not a tank, don't you all look silly now (especially those saying he was tanking to save energy for Vegas)

Anyway, I hope Ivo gets better soon.
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http://sport.guardian.co.uk/breakingnews/feedstory/0,,-6431281,00.html
Karlovic said he had been bothered by the right knee injury which kept him out for almost six months in 2006.
"Yesterday, I hurt my knee again and I couldn't practise," he said. "Today it was a little better but still I could not play 100 percent and it was painful."
Karlovic said he would have to withdraw from next week's Tennis Channel Open in Las Vegas, but did not expect to be out for too long.
"I think it is normal (after such an injury) because last week I played a lot of matches. It is normal that it hurts a little. Hopefully I will be ready for (the Masters Series events in) Indian Wells and Miami."

SwiSha
02-22-2007, 01:34 AM
thanks deb :yeah:

Nunyabeezwax
02-22-2007, 02:42 AM
Why is it so quiet in here all of the sudden?

Deboogle!.
02-22-2007, 02:42 AM
Why is it so quiet in here all of the sudden?Everyone's busy eating some humble pie ;)

Nunyabeezwax
02-22-2007, 02:44 AM
I hope it isn't too bitter. The pie that is, not GlennMirnyi.

Merton
02-22-2007, 03:03 AM
Congrats to Sam, it doesn't make any sense to assume that Karlovic tanked just from the scoreline. By the way, Querrey is more similar to Todd Martin potentially (after he develops his net game) than Andy.

Deboogle!.
02-22-2007, 03:08 AM
Congrats to Sam, it doesn't make any sense to assume that Karlovic tanked just from the scoreline. By the way, Querrey is more similar to Todd Martin potentially (after he develops his net game) than Andy.That's a very big IF, he's very awful at net right now. And from what I have seen of him his BH is nowhere near as good as Todd's... Todd and Mardy have scarily similar games, which might explain why he is doing a pretty good job coaching him, but I don't really see Sam playing like Todd unless he changes his game a fair amount.

Merton
02-22-2007, 03:12 AM
Im sure the Queer couldnt break Karlo twice in one set if Ivo was giving it his all.

That, to the best of my knowledge, sounds like the first poster strongly disliking Sam, to put it as mildly as possible.

Merton
02-22-2007, 03:19 AM
That's a very big IF, he's very awful at net right now. And from what I have seen of him his BH is nowhere near as good as Todd's... Todd and Mardy have scarily similar games, which might explain why he is doing a pretty good job coaching him, but I don't really see Sam playing like Todd unless he changes his game a fair amount.

Sam's backhand is solid enough, it can get better though. His net game is not developed at all at this point but this is a direction he could take because he is not as good a mover as Andy is. Gaining experience without developing a net game would allow him to possibly break into the top-30 but he cannot go further than that. All these are hypotheticals of course, young players carry a lot of uncertainty in how they develop.