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Hartfield def. Chucho 6-3, ret.

Deathless Mortal
02-21-2007, 05:59 PM
Hope Chucho is fine :scared:
Anyway, congrats Diego :rocker2:

Hendu
02-21-2007, 06:04 PM
I think now Roitman and Hartfield play a simple elimination match.

Galathea
02-21-2007, 06:26 PM
Chucho IS fine.... He, like Calleri, who seems IS NOT GOING TO PLAY NOW, is letting the court JUST BECAUSE HE HAD NO CHANCE AFTER LOSING A SET. I got a phone call warning me about that possible attitude before the match started and now is confirmed by tv. Also, they're mentioning that at the players sectors there were other players (Calleri) who doesn't want to play because they lost. :mad:

Pathetic, deplorable, miserable attitude from those tennis players towards the public: guys you know something? representing your country is not only the DC, showing a little of consideration towards the stupid people who paid to see you is equally important.
Not the first time that Chucho can't get over losing a match: the past DC and the double was the same.

This is the difference between these players and others like Nalbandian and Cañas or Monaco.

I forgot: "the official explanations" for Calleri and Chucho are little puntual pains. Both will play the next tournaments.

TMJordan
02-21-2007, 06:29 PM
This is the difference between these players and others like Nalbandian and Cañas or Monaco.


Right on. :yeah:

Very upset with Chucho and Gordo right now.

Deathless Mortal
02-21-2007, 06:30 PM
Calleri won't play :eek:

Deathless Mortal
02-21-2007, 06:31 PM
Is this for sure?

Hendu
02-21-2007, 06:31 PM
Chucho IS fine.... He, like Calleri, who seems IS NOT GOING TO PLAY NOW, is letting the court JUST BECAUSE HE HAD NO CHANCE AFTER LOSING A SET. I got a phone call warning me about that possible attitude before the match started and now is confirmed by tv. Also, they're mentioning that at the players sectors there were other players (Calleri) who doesn't want to play because they lost. :mad:

Pathetic, deplorable, miserable attitude from those tennis players towards the public: guys you know something? representing your country is not only the DC, showing a little of consideration towards the stupid people who paid to see you is equally important.
Not the first time that Chucho can't get over losing a match: the past DC and the double was the same.

This is the difference between these players and others like Nalbandian and Cañas or Monaco.

I forgot: "the official explanations" for Calleri and Chucho are little puntual pains. Both will play the next tournaments.

The doctor of the tournament is now talking on tv, and said what were the injuries of Chucho and gordo... on the Calleri issue, he was who adviced him not to play.

jayjay
02-21-2007, 06:32 PM
Let's be honest, this situation arises only because of RR, which we know is shite. Ordinarily, Chucho and Calleri would already be out. You can't really blame them for lack of motivation given their opening losses, although you can blame them for showing no desire to play infront of an adoring public (if that is the case).

Galathea
02-21-2007, 06:37 PM
Is this for sure?

Confirmed by TV now. The "doctor" spoke with the explanations.

Again, Cañas must be tired as hell and Nalbo is still injured. Well the only one that didn't ask for a doctor after losing was Nalbandian. And at the press conference he admitted some pain on his right leg (his tendonitis is in the left one) because some compesatory movements. But that was after journalists insisting about it.

Cañas and Nalbo only left the court when they can't move anymore. Nalbandian should have left against Haas becuase in one moment he coulnd't walk. Well, at the SF in RG he stayed there when he coulnd't move just to not left the court. Cañas is the same than Nalbo is this aspect.
I'm so pissed off with these guys, specially because this is the only chance the public has to watch them, besides DC. They really should give their checks back. I was going to start a thread about deplorable behaviour of players in RR (not only reaction but actions), but I'm piss off right now to do it. If someone wants to create it, it' would be great :mad:

*Ljubica*
02-21-2007, 06:38 PM
Chucho IS fine.... He, like Calleri, who seems IS NOT GOING TO PLAY NOW, is letting the court JUST BECAUSE HE HAD NO CHANCE AFTER LOSING A SET. I got a phone call warning me about that possible attitude before the match started and now is confirmed by tv. Also, they're mentioning that at the players sectors there were other players (Calleri) who doesn't want to play because they lost. :mad:

Pathetic, deplorable, miserable attitude from those tennis players towards the public: guys you know something? representing your country is not only the DC, showing a little of consideration towards the stupid people who paid to see you is equally important.
Not the first time that Chucho can't get over losing a match: the past DC and the double was the same.

This is the difference between these players and others like Nalbandian and Cañas or Monaco.

I forgot: "the official explanations" for Calleri and Chucho are little puntual pains. Both will play the next tournaments.

Well I agree with your words about Cañas 100%, he is a fighter without a doubt, and Monaco has a good fighting spirit too. But, though I'm sorry to say it, your refusal to take off the rose-coloured glasses as far as Nalbandian is concerned, is getting quite ridiculous :rolleyes: I was watching Nalbandian for years all, over the world, and I have seen him choke, throw more matches , and simply not bother more than almost any other player on the ATP Tour. He is one of the worst offenders out there - incredibly talented, but lazy, unfocussed, disinterested, and quite often a complete disgrace on a tennis court because of that attitude. I have no wish to pick a fight with you, but when I read comments like yours knociing other players, but refusing to acknowledge the many faults of the great Dahveed, - it makes me just a little mad! Thanks for reading this.

ExcaliburII
02-21-2007, 06:40 PM
Chucho was injured on the codo, I just called a friend that was watching the match on the court and he said it looked as if it was real.

Hendu
02-21-2007, 06:40 PM
Confirmed by TV now. The "doctor" spoke with the explanations.


confirmed on tv? on what channel?

because on tyc sports, the doctor talked about their injuries and didn't say anything about them not wanting to play...

if you don't believe the doctor, thats another issue. But He didn't confirm anything outside the players injuries.

Galathea
02-21-2007, 06:41 PM
Let's be honest, this situation arises only because of RR, which we know is shite. Ordinarily, Chucho and Calleri would already be out. You can't really blame them for lack of motivation given their opening losses, although you can blame them for showing no desire to play infront of an adoring public (if that is the case).

They KNEW the rules! Don't participate if you don't like it and don't cash the check!
Do it for the public that was there like crazy and payed a lot of money.
Show respect, carajo!
RR is crap. I like it for the Master Cup because is an "elite tournament" is different. But of course those players are like that: they never had to play after losing. The example was Chucho after the doubles when he wasn't mentally right because he lost. Well, stay in home.
The rules were clear. Don't play the tournament and I repeat: don't get the paycheck.

Hendu
02-21-2007, 06:44 PM
Chucho was injured on the codo, I just called a friend that was watching the match on the court and he said it looked as if it was real.

codo = elbow

Galathea
02-21-2007, 06:49 PM
confirmed on tv? on what channel?

because on tyc sports, the doctor talked about their injuries and didn't say anything about them not wanting to play...

if you don't believe the doctor, thats another issue. But He didn't confirm anything outside the players injuries.

I said Calleri not playing was confirmed by TV.
On TyC were talking since yesterday that argie players didn't want to play after losing. That there were talks to motivate them. Bonadeo is saying it since yesterday like others journalist and tennis people. Also, didn you see the face of the doctor :rolleyes: ?
If Chucho is injured like the doctor said he coulnd't trow the raquet like he did. The rumors for Calleri started since he lost. There are a lot of rumors and people talking nonsense in all tournaments. But there are people that knows what's happening. When those persons talks, it's true.
And Viña del mar rings any bell?
Of course the official explanation was some tiny lesion that will be magical healed in three hours :rolleyes:

Galathea
02-21-2007, 06:54 PM
Chucho was injured on the codo, I just called a friend that was watching the match on the court and he said it looked as if it was real.

People from the tournaments and the AAT said to me (and I posted it at some blog, don't remember if here too) and also the TV said it that he was going to drop the match if he lost a set. I called a friend there too (sadly I'm not in BsAs to watch the tournament), who's a kinesiologist and works for a soccer team, he didn't bought it. His movements didn't match his "injury"

Hendu
02-21-2007, 06:56 PM
I said Calleri not playing was confirmed by TV.
On TyC were talking since yesterday that argie players didn't want to play after losing. That there were talks to motivate them. Bonadeo is saying it since yesterday like others journalist and tennis people. Also, didn you see the face of the doctor :rolleyes: ?

:lol: whats up with the face of the doctor?


If Chucho is injured like the doctor said he coulnd't trow the raquet like he did. The rumors for Calleri started since he lost. There are a lot of rumors and people talking nonsense in all tournaments. But there are people that knows what's happening. When those persons talks, it's true.
And Viña del mar rings any bell?
Of course the official explanation was some tiny lesion that will be magical healed in three hours :rolleyes:

I see you have reasons to believe what you are saying, having a source that I don't.

But for me, until now, there is nothing more than rumors. I have nothing that would make me not believe the doctor, who said Calleri had problems with his back... something related with an old injury. And the doctor himself said he adviced Calleri not to play. And to not believe in Acasuso's good will.

Galathea
02-21-2007, 06:59 PM
I'm not going to bash or deffend a player if I'm not sure about the facts. opinions (like with the Malaga thing when we talked about Gaudio) is one thing. But saying that something was not truth is another. I didn't post anything conclusive as for sure until I have confirmation from people that's there at high level.
Of course nobody can't prove that they don't have pain: "It hurts" is classic. But there were movements from Acasuso that didn't match at all what the doctor said he had.
Like in some matches Coria calling trainner for suppoused pains that after getting some air, disapeared

Hendu
02-21-2007, 07:00 PM
People from the tournaments and the AAT said to me (and I posted it at some blog, don't remember if here too) and also the TV said it that he was going to drop the match if he lost a set. I called a friend there too (sadly I'm not in BsAs to watch the tournament), who's a kinesiologist and works for a soccer team, he didn't bought it. His movements didn't match his "injury"

when was that?

I saw Acasuso today in an interview saying that he was going to play to gain minutes of play on the surface, even If he had no chances to go on in the tournament.

Chucho could have tanked if he didn't want to fight the match. He wouldn't need to retire.

Galathea
02-21-2007, 07:05 PM
:lol: whats up with the face of the doctor?
I see you have reasons to believe what you are saying, having a source that I don't.
Pinocchio... and Bonadeo's voice when he was asking was antologic ;)
.

But for me, until now, there is nothing more than rumors. I have nothing that would make me not believe the doctor, who said Calleri had problems with his back... something related with an old injury. And the doctor himself said he adviced Calleri not to play. And to not believe in Acasuso's good will.

I understand that. More I woulnd't thougt in that way if I wasn't hearing since yesterday that Calleri didn't want to play and Acasuso was going to drop the match if he loses a set.

The lack of motivation from the losers players is a talk that was there since the tournament started and from people that usually are very reliable. The AAT was kinda desperate about it. Not to mention Jaite and the other people from the organization. Even the attitudes after their matches were not the most proffesionals

Hendu
02-21-2007, 07:07 PM
Pinocchio... and Bonadeo's voice when he was asking was antologic ;)
.


I understand that. More I woulnd't thougt in that way if I wasn't hearing since yesterday that Calleri didn't want to play and Acasuso was going to drop the match if he loses a set.

The lack of motivation from the losers players is a talk that was there since the tournament started and from people that usually are very reliable. The AAT was kinda desperate about it. Not to mention Jaite and the other people from the organization. Even the attitudes after their matches were not the most proffesionals

What is sure, is that the Round Robin system generates this horrible situation of suspicion...

the system simply sucks.

ufokart
02-21-2007, 07:08 PM
Cañas and Nalbo only left the court when they can't move anymore. Nalbandian should have left against Haas becuase in one moment he coulnd't walk. Well, at the SF in RG he stayed there when he coulnd't move just to not left the court. Cañas is the same than Nalbo is this aspect.
I'm so pissed off with these guys, specially because this is the only chance the public has to watch them, besides DC. They really should give their checks back. I was going to start a thread about deplorable behaviour of players in RR (not only reaction but actions), but I'm piss off right now to do it. If someone wants to create it, it' would be great :mad:

Why is it worse that Chucho retires against Hartfield after losing the first set and having no chance to go on to the second round, but it seems ok for Nalbandian to throw a match away just to go and watch a world cup match? :rolleyes:

And maybe they really have injuries, i heard nothing that would state otherwise :shrug:.
But of course every time that Nalbo loses it seems he was injured :rolleyes: :lol:

And like Jayjay said, if this were a normal tournament, then Calleri and Chucho would already be out of it :lol:. People should be happy that they saw 1 more set of chucho than what they normally see :p :rolls:.

And maybe it's a matter of opinion but if a player is gonna tank i would thank him for retiring and saving us from the pain of seeing a match were the player doesn't care about it and tanks horribly :o. If Chucho had no chance of going through, then why would he risk injury by playing another set? Maybe i don't agree with that way of thinking but i can understand him.

RR sucks :ras:. And Jaite supported the stupid idea :smash: :retard:

I'm not trying to defend them like they are gods or something but you are exaggerating a little bit :lol:

Galathea
02-21-2007, 07:09 PM
The interviews are priceless
Talking with the ATP supervisor and Milagros making aclarations like "of course they're injured" or Bonadeo's questions about "did you asked the players to play after they lose? To have some commitment?"
I don't like the other guy, but Bonadeo is not stupid and often doesn't shut up.
He's being very clear

jazar
02-21-2007, 07:10 PM
well if they just cant be arsed that is pathetic

Hendu
02-21-2007, 07:14 PM
If Chucho had no chance of going through, then why would he risk injury by playing another set? Maybe i don't agree with that way of thinking but i can understand him.

The players are professionals. They knew the system before they entered the tournament. And if it was true that they just didn't want to play because they didn't have chances to win, then it was a big mistake. The fans have to be respected.

But as I said before, I have no solid reasons to believe anything of these things truly happened.

Galathea
02-21-2007, 07:15 PM
Ok, if someone thinks is okay left a match when they have no chances. (about Nlabo I was one of the most vocal people that wanted his head after that match).
But say "RR sucks I won't play when I have no chances". Don't put excuses.

I'm pissed off because I know how the people here was expecting to see these players.
But okay, let's drop this because nobody is going to say openly "he's not injured". The people on TV is being pretty clear about what they're saying between lines, specially Bonadeo and the tone he's using. And the theme of the day became not "let's see how these players are "(they're not sending people to see how they are.. a little curious by the way) but "RR is good or crap". They're putting the accent there more stronger than before

By the way Ferrero's match is crazy....

ufokart
02-21-2007, 07:28 PM
The players are professionals. They knew the system before they entered the tournament. And if it was true that they just didn't want to play because they didn't have chances to win, then it was a big mistake. The fans have to be respected.

But as I said before, I have no solid reasons to believe anything of these things truly happened.

Matias (your name is Matias right :scratch: ), in that post you quoted i said "Maybe i don't agree with that way of thinking..."

I think that every player should give his best effort even when they are about to lose, especially if it's their home tournament :).

But i try to see the players possible points of view and for a guy that makes a living out of tennis, risking an injury because he keeps playing when technically he already lost may not be very wise.
Again, i don't agree with this, but as i said i can understand if he thinks that was the best for him.

But this is all speculation, for all i know they were really injured :shrug:

Ok, if someone thinks is okay left a match when they have no chances. (about Nlabo I was one of the most vocal people that wanted his head after that match).
But say "RR sucks I won't play when I have no chances". Don't put excuses.

I'm pissed off because I know how the people here was expecting to see these players.
But okay, let's drop this because nobody is going to say openly "he's not injured". The people on TV is being pretty clear about what they're saying between lines, specially Bonadeo and the tone he's using. And the theme of the day became not "let's see how these players are "(they're not sending people to see how they are.. a little curious by the way) but "RR is good or crap". They're putting the accent there more stronger than before

By the way Ferrero's match is crazy....

Just to make things a little bit clear i repeat that i don't agree with players that retire because they can't win :).
And i'm also a nalbo fan (i say this just just in case someone confuses me with a "Hater" :rolls: ).

jayjay
02-21-2007, 07:29 PM
Agree with ufokart, I'd rather a player retire than give us a poor acting lesson while tanking. But also respect what Willy says, that the players should have respect for the fans and within reason give their best efforts.

But if you were Chucho, and you knew you were now out of the tournament and had failed to take a set off Roitman or Hartfield, where is the motivation to go on?

Sure, you'd like to think he would play on and give what he has out of respect to those who have paid to see him, among others. But there are situations where you can understand why the player just can't be fucked on the grind of the tour to play hard in a dead match.

These were criticisms of RR from before the off, and now we are just seeing that come to fruition.

Re: Nalbandian/Wimbledon, what's more important? To watch Albiceleste in the World Cup or go on in a tournament we all know Federer is going to win? He did the right thing. :) Just a shame Pekerman is such a twat.

Hendu
02-21-2007, 07:31 PM
Matias (your name is Matias right :scratch: ), in that post you quoted i said "Maybe i don't agree with that way of thinking..."

I think that every player should give his best effort even when they are about to lose, especially if it's their home tournament :).

But i try to see the players possible points of view and for a guy that makes a living out of tennis, risking an injury because he keeps playing when technically he already lost may not be very wise.
Again, i don't agree with this, but as i said i can understand if he thinks that was the best for him.

But this is all speculation, for all i know they were really injured :shrug:

yes, thats my name and we agree.

ufokart
02-21-2007, 07:42 PM
Agree with ufokart, I'd rather a player retire than give us a poor acting lesson while tanking. But also respect what Willy says, that the players should have respect for the fans and within reason give their best efforts.

Yeah. I mean i would rather have a player fighting, but if that players is going to tank i prefer that he retires.
Being a fan of Safin and Gaudio i really know why i hate tanks :rolls:

Re: Nalbandian/Wimbledon, what's more important? To watch Albiceleste in the World Cup or go on in a tournament we all know Federer is going to win? He did the right thing. :) Just a shame Pekerman is such a twat.

For a guy like me that doesn't like football very much i cared more about his possible run at Wimbledon than the world cup :p :rolls: (which except for a few matches, was overall a snorefest :yawn: :lol: )

Hendu
02-21-2007, 08:00 PM
But if you were Chucho, and you knew you were now out of the tournament and had failed to take a set off Roitman or Hartfield, where is the motivation to go on?

If I were Chucho I would leave tennis and go out chasing women...

but on this issue, I would expect him to at least give a good show to the fans. Even if he doesn't give everything on court.

I repeat, I have no solid reasons to believe Chucho wasn't really injured.

Sure, you'd like to think he would play on and give what he has out of respect to those who have paid to see him, among others. But there are situations where you can understand why the player just can't be fucked on the grind of the tour to play hard in a dead match.

These were criticisms of RR from before the off, and now we are just seeing that come to fruition.

Sure. RR sucks. And I'm pretty sure we won't have it next year. I expect Jaite to listen to the players.

Fergie
02-21-2007, 08:34 PM
Diego :yeah:

Chucho :smash:

Galathea
02-21-2007, 08:53 PM
Re: Nalbandian/Wimbledon, what's more important? To watch Albiceleste in the World Cup or go on in a tournament we all know Federer is going to win? He did the right thing. Just a shame Pekerman is such a twat.

It's all Pekerman's fault :lol: ;)

Anyway, did anyone watch the interview TyC made with Diego? The poor guy was trying to deffend Chucho (he's friends with him). When Bonadeo and Klapenbach asked him about Chucho attitude before and during the match he said: He's not very demostrative, like Gaston (for Gaudio). Both get critics because of that. He was playing really good but I could win the set because I played great. He hitted very deep and strong all the time, like always, but made some UE. I played really well.

Ok, is human nature try to give the meaning according to your POV to the things. But in this case, I think is pretty clear, that Chucho was playing with no problems, against someone who knows him very well, and didn't notice a thing MOre he literaly said he didn't noticed nothing... Very deep and stronger with elbow problems? I think the poor Diego dig the hole deeper for Chucho trying to deffend him :lol:.
Bonadeo's tone after that was priceless. He keeps talking about the first and last RR in BsAs. But it's obvious that he's pissed with the system and the players attitude.

ChinoRios4Ever
02-21-2007, 09:24 PM
RR strikes again :ras:

Action Jackson
02-22-2007, 12:02 AM
This is not surprising and of course RR is a significant factor. As for Calleri, it's not like he hasn't had a history of back problems and that was happened at the AO, he chose not to play. As for Chucho he could be injured, he might not be. I mean I'd rather someone withdraw, then say seeing them tank. I have seen more than enough quality tanks, but I agree with ufokart that players should give their best efforts at all times, at the same time we know it doesn't always happen like this.

Galathea, are you Nalbandian's press officer or worse his Propaganda Minister?

Kalliopeia
02-22-2007, 12:18 AM
Well if it's true that they ditched their matches like that, it's a shame for the fans who came out to see them. And I'm making no judgements on whether it's true or not.

On the other hand, if it is...there's a small part of me that just thinks it's hilarious because this is exactly the kind of thing that RR encourages. On a purely practical level, why should Chucho continue to fight for a meaningless match and risk injury? I mean one bad step is all it really takes to put a player out of commission. So, I'm torn. Players should give it their all when they go out there....but every time something like this happens it's just one more nail in RR's coffin and I can't help but be pleased about that.

Galathea
02-22-2007, 12:18 AM
No, nothing of that. I could be the worst critic of Nalbo in some aspects, but the attitude from him, even if he goes tonight and loses, is way more different than Calleri and Acauso. At least, he was the one saying something like "I'm not in home yet, I'm the one who can't complain about RR". Chucho and Agustin were over the minute they lost without any motivation to play the next match. They're playing in home with people supporting them.
Nalbo is going to be there, even losing, but is going to play, Cañas is the same like Monaco too. Chucho and Agustin were over since the lost their matches

Action Jackson
02-22-2007, 02:45 AM
No, nothing of that. I could be the worst critic of Nalbo in some aspects, but the attitude from him, even if he goes tonight and loses, is way more different than Calleri and Acauso. At least, he was the one saying something like "I'm not in home yet, I'm the one who can't complain about RR". Chucho and Agustin were over the minute they lost without any motivation to play the next match. They're playing in home with people supporting them.
Nalbo is going to be there, even losing, but is going to play, Cañas is the same like Monaco too. Chucho and Agustin were over since the lost their matches

I have never read a post from you criticising Nalbandian, only the other Argentines. Nalbandian ran off and played the big indoor events instead of playing Buenos Aires one year, it's not surprising that you forget about that.

Kalliopeia, made a good point the RR system makes things even more obvious than it was in other events.

Galathea
02-22-2007, 03:00 AM
I have never read a post from you criticising Nalbandian, only the other Argentines. Nalbandian ran off and played the big indoor events instead of playing Buenos Aires one year, it's not surprising that you forget about that.

Kalliopeia, made a good point the RR system makes things even more obvious than it was in other events.

I don't forget it and I didn't like it at all (he and Coria did it) But at least they didn't participate.
Here both players knew the rules, and after losing they started whinning about having to play again for nothing (when they had chances in theory). Now, Nalbo stayed and fought making a very good match for the public to see. When already he was out it started to rain and he stayed, still not recovered from an injury. And this is the same guy that blowed a match in Halle because he was fightihg agaisnt the umpire (I don't forget that either):rolleyes:
Is about attitude and respect to YOUR public
Do you want them to give some chance about being really injured? okay, do it. But I think is too much coincidence.
Now, for example I understand that Gaudio doesn't play tomorrow. THAT's a total understandable case.

Action Jackson
02-22-2007, 03:09 AM
I don't forget it and I didn't like it at all (he and Coria did it) But at least they didn't participate.
Here both players knew the rules, and after losing they started whinning about having to play again for nothing (when they had chances in theory). Now, Nalbo stayed and fought making a very good match for the public to see. When already he was out it started to rain and he stayed, still not recovered from an injury. And this is the same guy that blowed a match in Halle because he was fightihg agaisnt the umpire (I don't forget that either):rolleyes:
Is about attitude.
Do you want them to give some chance about being really injured? okay, do it. But I think is too much coincidence.
Now, for example I understand that Gaudio doesn't play tomorrow. THAT's a total understandable case.

Just like I thought you are trying to make him a martyr. I don't have a problem with Nalbandian actually, but you do have the blinkers on when it comes to him. He has not bothered or cared about a lot of matches, but it happens, so the martyr thing doesn't wash with me.

Yes, Calleri and Chucho might have been able to play, and in case you missed my point. I think all players should put their best efforts in any match irrespective of format.

Missed it about Calleri's back problems which happened in Auckland, back injuries aren't exactly easy to manage. You mention Nalbandian's problem, but Calleri's back problems don't count?

As for Gaudio, well he should play tomorrow, but as I said in the other thread, it's not likely.

Galathea
02-22-2007, 03:41 AM
I'm not trying to make him a martyr. Just putting an example with the one that often goes and blows tournaments. Exactly that one? was the only that showed some respect to the public. He and Safin could make a book about blowing matches. But in this case, and mostly for his "I don't care" attitude from the past? In this case? he was the one behaving like a proffesional player.

This "new injury" from Agustin is not related to the old one (and from what he said to the AAT people, already recovered), as the doctor officialy informed. And, of course he has to be carefull . But, the "I don't want to play for nothing" comment? started yesterday when he lost. The rumors about not playing because he wanted to be with his family started after he lost. Not today. Coincidence?

The complains about having to play again, from both Chucho and Agustin started long before their "injuries" from today. The comments from people of the AAT and Telmex cup about the attitude of certain players started before. What a coincidence!. There must be something cosmic. And that's the irony in all this about the differents attitudes: the way the three of them behave in the past.

Galathea
02-22-2007, 03:55 AM
This discussion will end with anyone believing what they want.
The official version is there to read.
For example, the people from the network TyCsports was very clear about the ambience after losing and the lack of predisposition to play today. They were there too
I heard the same things from people that's not reliable and from people that I know they won't talk if it's not true. And the AAT? they're pissed off. They can't do anything because the official version. Not because they don't want to do it

jayjay
02-22-2007, 04:25 AM
This has been a forgettable tournament for our players. I don't think it should come as a surprise the lack of motivation after being knocked out in RR format. If Chucho couldn't perform well enough to even win a set when he was still alive in the tournament, not much chance he would do much when he was out. Whether he really was sufficiently injured or not, I don't really care. Although it's understandable that those in the crowd should wish to get their money's worth.

But if Chucho was just going to tank the rest of the match, is that what the crowd would want to see? No. That would just be a waste of time and maybe more insulting to the crowd than to simply retire.

Nalbandian, Chucho, Calleri and Gaudio have all underperformed here and played poorly or not to the standard required. Coria isn't even capable of stepping on the court and Pico and Chela are not likely to get past Moya and Andreev.

Dreadful tournament for our players and the sooner it ends the better. Hopefully an improved showing in 2008 without the "benefit" of RR.

All Argentine hopes on Canas now. Who seems to be the only reliable player we have at the moment.

Hendu
02-22-2007, 04:36 AM
This has been a forgettable tournament for our players. I don't think it should come as a surprise the lack of motivation after being knocked out in RR format. If Chucho couldn't perform well enough to even win a set when he was still alive in the tournament, not much chance he would do much when he was out. Whether he really was sufficiently injured or not, I don't really care. Although it's understandable that those in the crowd should wish to get their money's worth.

http://www.lanacion.com.ar/deportiva/nota.asp?nota_id=885564&pid=2101090&toi=5266

Dreadful tournament for our players and the sooner it ends the better. Hopefully an improved showing in 2008 without the "benefit" of RR.

I don't want the tournament to end as soon as possible. There are still good chances to watch good tennis, even if the Argentines are not playing the final stances.

Merton
02-22-2007, 04:41 AM
Well, we know that the RR system creates these distortions for players eliminated. I hope they just switch back to the knockout format.

Hendu
02-22-2007, 04:47 AM
Well, we know that the RR system creates these distortions for players eliminated. I hope they just switch back to the knockout format.

I'm confident that will happen. In Bs. As. the high majority of the players is against RR.

Action Jackson
02-22-2007, 06:22 AM
This "new injury" from Agustin is not related to the old one (and from what he said to the AAT people, already recovered), as the doctor officialy informed. And, of course he has to be carefull . But, the "I don't want to play for nothing" comment? started yesterday when he lost. The rumors about not playing because he wanted to be with his family started after he lost. Not today. Coincidence?

Since when has the AAT cared about its players? They never have apart from Coria and Nalbandian, but that subject has been done to death many times.

Is it surprising that there have been so many withdrawals or retirements? Calleri did the right thing in that context, why play the match
and treat it like a joke. That would be worse and it's not like Acasuso is in great form, he could be injured, he might not be.

Action Jackson
02-22-2007, 06:23 AM
Dreadful tournament for our players and the sooner it ends the better. Hopefully an improved showing in 2008 without the "benefit" of RR.

All Argentine hopes on Canas now. Who seems to be the only reliable player we have at the moment.

Cañas is still there, then there is Mr. Buenos Aires Moya, but there is room for plenty of good tennis left at the event.

Hendu
02-22-2007, 06:43 AM
Cañas is still there, then there is Mr. Buenos Aires Moya, but there is room for plenty of good tennis left at the event.

the sad thing is that if both of them get through the RR stage, they will play against each other in quarters.