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ARod out-aced but wins over Querrey 6-4, 7-6 (3)

Donny
02-16-2007, 12:42 PM
What? Boo, no thread yet on Andy's win late last night? :wavey:

Solid match from all appearances by Roddick. Querrey shows, however, that he's got the goods ... almost doubling Andy's in aces, and hanging with The Man 'til the end. Looking forward to Sam having better draws in the future, and movin' on up in the rankings.

ARod v. Vinny Ice in the quarters! :p

Pea
02-16-2007, 02:43 PM
He beat his mini-me.:lol:

Jimnik
02-16-2007, 02:47 PM
He's always out-aced.

Fumus
02-16-2007, 03:03 PM
He's always out-aced.

By always you mean...when he plays Federer?:confused:

Sjengster
02-16-2007, 03:38 PM
Acasuso out-aced him at RG in 2005, I recall. As did Safin and Baghdatis at the AO the years they beat him (although seeing as it was by 1 in both cases, and they're no mean servers themselves, I doubt it's all that significant).

Oh, and Muller in that three-tiebreak upset at the 2005 US Open, 24 to 16.

Arthurs and Sargsian both did it the years they beat him at RG. Actually, looking at the Arthurs match, it really isn't surprising that he served 25 aces over five long sets on clay, including a 16-14 tiebreak which he won; what is remarkable is that Roddick only managed 6 aces in response for the whole match.

There are matches that Roddick lost when he out-aced his opponent as well, so it's not necessarily the one telling factor of defeat; Johansson at the US Open (34 to 30), and Hewitt at the AO by a wide margin, 31 to 14.

Jlee
02-16-2007, 03:58 PM
The ace stat is of little significance. I heard his first serve wasn't working, so that could explain it.

Nice win Andy. :yeah: Great effort by Sam though! I hope to see him a lot in the future :D

Deboogle!.
02-16-2007, 04:18 PM
Acasuso out-aced him at RG in 2005, I recall. As did Safin and Baghdatis at the AO the years they beat him (although seeing as it was by 1 in both cases, and they're no mean servers themselves, I doubt it's all that significant).

Oh, and Muller in that three-tiebreak upset at the 2005 US Open, 24 to 16.

Arthurs and Sargsian both did it the years they beat him at RG. Actually, looking at the Arthurs match, it really isn't surprising that he served 25 aces over five long sets on clay, including a 16-14 tiebreak which he won; what is remarkable is that Roddick only managed 6 aces in response for the whole match.

There are matches that Roddick lost when he out-aced his opponent as well, so it's not necessarily the one telling factor of defeat; Johansson at the US Open (34 to 30), and Hewitt at the AO by a wide margin, 31 to 14.Mardy Fish also outaced him at the AO I believe ;) So did Ancic.

The ace stat is of little significance. I heard his first serve wasn't working, so that could explain it.What, that can't be true. He can't win without his first serve working :confused:

MarcM
02-16-2007, 04:23 PM
He'll lose to Murray if his first serve isn't working.

Assuming Murray comes through Lee tonight.

Deboogle!.
02-16-2007, 04:28 PM
He'll lose to Murray if his first serve isn't working.

Assuming Murray comes through Lee tonight.He served 75% in his first round match. His serve is easy to fix, I'm sure he's not worried :)

R.Federer
02-16-2007, 05:59 PM
Great win for Andy, and I would like to see Sam Querrey go places in the future. I didn't see this match but I saw one in Melbourne.

For now, I am eagerly waiting for an Andy versus Andy grudge match. I guess it is a grudge match after Cincinnati. There are too many good dynamics there, Gilbert Roddick, Murray Roddick, perhaps Gilbert Connors. All kinds of goodies :)

sondraj06
02-16-2007, 06:05 PM
Does andy have the best serve in the top 10, or is that just the belief. Because although it's fast as hell, he doesn't seem to get a lot of his first serves in, and fed does out ace him a lot, so I was wondering?

Deboogle!.
02-16-2007, 06:30 PM
...he doesn't seem to get a lot of his first serves in, and fed does out ace him a lot, so I was wondering?Huh? That's simply untrue. Andy's typically the only big server in the ATP's top 10 for first serve % at the end of the year. He is averaging 67% this season so far and that's about what he has averaged at least the last 2 seasons. Fed out-aces him because Fed is a much better returner and he reads Andy's serve very well.

kobulingam
02-16-2007, 06:44 PM
By always you mean...when he plays Federer?:confused:


Federer usually out acing Roddick not because Federer usually out acing everybody he plays.

jazar
02-16-2007, 07:24 PM
its not hard to out ace someone with a serve as tame as roddick. querrey is on his way up. i wanna see him play on grass, he could really do some damage

DrJules
02-16-2007, 07:28 PM
What makes Roddick difficult to beat is his high first serve % not the number of aces. He wins 78% on 1st serve, but falls to 52% on 2nd serve. It is notable that Federer wins 63% and Nadal wins 59% on their 2nd serves. He gives players a limited number of 2nd serves which prevent the limitations of his game from being exposed. This makes his serve difficult to break and is the key to his game:

http://www.atptennis.com/en/players/matchfacts/

Sjengster
02-16-2007, 07:31 PM
its not hard to out ace someone with a serve as tame as roddick. querrey is on his way up. i wanna see him play on grass, he could really do some damage

Sarcasm?

Because Querrey really could do well on grass, you know. ;)

jazar
02-16-2007, 07:50 PM
Sarcasm?

Because Querrey really could do well on grass, you know. ;)

the first part was. the second part wasnt, i thikn he could do very well at wimbledon this year. but more interesting would be to see how he copes on clay

NYCtennisfan
02-17-2007, 01:12 AM
What's amazing about Roddick's serve is how high the % usually is. It's surprising when it even comes down to 60%. He serves huge and gets the ball in play. His ball is not that well placed so he doesn't get a lot of aces like an Ivanisevic or Krajicek but he hits a ton of service winners.

Deboogle!.
02-17-2007, 01:54 AM
What makes Roddick difficult to beat is his high first serve % not the number of aces. He wins 78% on 1st serve, but falls to 52% on 2nd serve. It is notable that Federer wins 63% and Nadal wins 59% on their 2nd serves. He gives players a limited number of 2nd serves which prevent the limitations of his game from being exposed. This makes his serve difficult to break and is the key to his game:

http://www.atptennis.com/en/players/matchfacts/Don't forget that the 2007 stats don't include much. Federer and Roddick each only have one tournament figured into those stats. Would have to see the 2006 stats to really say much. What's amazing about Roddick's serve is how high the % usually is. It's surprising when it even comes down to 60%. Exactly, that's why I was so perplexed by sondraj's earlier statement :scratch:

Merton
02-17-2007, 03:40 AM
These matches sometimes carry unexpected dynamics, Andy was the favourite but Sam is progressing nicely.