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Vera
02-13-2003, 09:13 PM
Originally posted by IluvRogi
:wavey: Vera,here again?;)
:wavey:
:o Hi Emma, were you surprised :p ?

ILR
02-13-2003, 09:13 PM
me suprised?Never ;):p

Vera
02-13-2003, 09:15 PM
Originally posted by Vera
the men in this movie are rarity and it's encouraging for woman to see that they exist :).

I'm quoting myself :o . Just wanna clarify though, that I don't approve what Beni the nurse did. That's just wrong no matter whatever he believes how much he loves Alicia.

Vera
02-13-2003, 09:16 PM
Oh, sorry to hear that your Prom got cancelled. BTW, I didn't know Prom exists in UK :o. I thought it's a north American thing.

ILR
02-13-2003, 09:17 PM
anyway I have to go to bed now so I hope you all have a nice valentines day!:D bye! :wavey:

ILR
02-13-2003, 09:18 PM
oh yeh they exist :) well mine might not!:( :wavey:

Vera
02-13-2003, 09:19 PM
Originally posted by IluvRogi
anyway I have to go to bed now so I hope you all have a nice valentines day!:D bye! :wavey:

Same to you :) .
Good night :wavey:

RogiFan
02-13-2003, 09:28 PM
Originally posted by Vera
I like the movie, well, it's not fantasic, but I'm quite touched, like I said, the men in this movie are rarity and it's encouraging for woman to see that they exist :). Oh, and it's a treat to listen to spanish :o. I went to the beach after the movie, and enjoyed the stars for awhile.

Stranglely, last nite, I watched another Pedro Almodovar's movie on Bravo!. What a coincident for the programming schedule. But that one was so-sol and very sad and it was very late so I didn't finish the whole thing. I didn't know what catagory Talk To Her is in the Oscar Nomination.

Which movie was that Vera?? Was it All about my mother? I loved that film -- even have it on DVD although I don't have a DVD player! It was set in Barcelona... unusual for him but I recognized all sorts of places in that movie!

TennisHack
02-13-2003, 09:31 PM
Guess what I just found! :)

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20030213/capt.1045171628france_tennis_open_13_mar106.jpg


Of course, this accompanies the news that Richard Gasquet retired from his match for unknown reasons :( Damn, I have no one left in Marseille! :sad: And only James in San Jose . . .

Daniela won her match today over Els Callens 5-7, 6-4, 6-4 and will face Nathalie Dechy in the quarters. Dani hasn't quite found her form yet this year :( so I hope she meets Kimmy in the semis.

TennisHack
02-13-2003, 09:33 PM
Originally posted by Vera
It's a really interesting issue, they listed the most shocking events in Tennis history. Of course the most memorable (in terms of horrified) for me is Muster's accident and Monica's stabbed. It's the 2 incidents that made me angry every time I thought about it. I didn't know who's Muster until after the accident. But I like him very much since then because he's for sure the most determined player IMO (and the one I admired the most :o).

:o What happened to Munster?

Sounds like an interesting issue! I wonder if they have a website, cause I'd like to know all the shocking moments ;)

RogiFan
02-13-2003, 09:33 PM
Originally posted by TennisHack
Guess what I just found! :)

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20030213/capt.1045171628france_tennis_open_13_mar106.jpg


Of course, this accompanies the news that Richard Gasquet retired from his match for unknown reasons :( Damn, I have no one left in Marseille! :sad: And only James in San Jose . . .

Daniela won her match today over Els Callens 5-7, 6-4, 6-4 and will face Nathalie Dechy in the quarters. Dani hasn't quite found her form yet this year :( so I hope she meets Kimmy in the semis.

Gasquet retired too???!!! So O Rochus is through!

Hey Hackie, what do you mean NO ONE left???!!! Ahem... ROGI is still alive!! ;)

Bye for now!

Vera
02-13-2003, 09:35 PM
Originally posted by RogiFan
Which movie was that Vera?? Was it All about my mother? I loved that film -- even have it on DVD although I don't have a DVD player! It was set in Barcelona... unusual for him but I recognized all sorts of places in that movie!

The title, I didn't pay much attention to it. It's called Flower...Secrets ? Errr, missing sth. The main character is a woman who's a writer and she's having trouble in her marriage. It's set in Madrid.

TennisHack
02-13-2003, 09:39 PM
(QF) Clijsters/Sugiyama [1] d. Boogert/Serna 6-2, 6-1

Hmm, do I smell another double crown for Kimmy? :)

TennisHack
02-13-2003, 09:41 PM
Originally posted by RogiFan
Hey Hackie, what do you mean NO ONE left???!!! Ahem... ROGI is still alive!! ;)

Rogi's not one of my players (though if he loses, so help me God . . .). I almost always speak in terms of my Tier I group of faves ;)

Vera
02-13-2003, 09:41 PM
Originally posted by TennisHack
:o What happened to Munster?

Sounds like an interesting issue! I wonder if they have a website, cause I'd like to know all the shocking moments ;)

In 1989, Muster was in his first ever TMS final in Miami. The eve of the final match, he was unloading his stuff from the car and a drunk-driver hit him :fiery: . His left knee was severly injured and doctor said he won't be able to play for a year (well, at first doctor said he won't be able to return to tennis). But he got back to the tour in only 5 and a half month and eventually got to the top (#1 ranking). If he didn't had this accident, he would have get there earlier. Just like Monica, if that freak didn't stab her, she would have been on the Top for at least a couple more years. That's why I'm mad every time I thought about it. Some ppl are so irresponsible that they did things to ruin others' lives.

Vera
02-13-2003, 09:51 PM
Hackie, this is listed on the mag: www.tennismag.com.au

Vera
02-13-2003, 09:51 PM
:wavey: RF

TennisHack
02-13-2003, 09:58 PM
NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

Just saw that ESPN has snapped up RG for the next 3 years :fiery:

I posted the article in GM :fiery: (though many thanks to Lily, who put it in the Rogi forum)

TennisHack
02-13-2003, 10:00 PM
Originally posted by Vera
In 1989, Muster was in his first ever TMS final in Miami. The eve of the final match, he was unloading his stuff from the car and a drunk-driver hit him :fiery: . His left knee was severly injured and doctor said he won't be able to play for a year (well, at first doctor said he won't be able to return to tennis).

OMFG!! :fiery: That's horrible!!

I remember when Monica got stabbed because, if I remember correctly, I saw it on TV (or at least the aftermath of it). I was sickened and saddened.

Stupid idiots :mad:

Thanks for the link! I'll check it out :)

TennisHack
02-13-2003, 10:05 PM
Originally posted by Vera
Hackie, this is listed on the mag: www.tennismag.com.au

:( It seems to be current news, not the articles in the magazine. Damn. Guess I'll have to find someone to get me a copy since our bookstore doesn't carry foreign magazines.

Vera
02-13-2003, 10:10 PM
Welcome Hackie :). Just checked the link myself and don't think there's anything. So maybe I can give you a brief of those 23 shocking events later, when my arm permits :). Hopefully soon.

Gotta go. BTW, tonight is the most important game of the season for my Canucks! Yes, everyone in my team said tonight is the most important one bcos we are facing the Avs which is on our tail closing in and threatening to take over the division title from our hand :mad:. They were unbeaten in last 10 with 8 wins and 2 ties. So a big good luck to my Canucks.

Don't lose this one, baby. Go Canucks go! :bounce:

Bye :wavey:

TennisHack
02-13-2003, 10:27 PM
Bye, Vera :wavey:

Just a brief synopsis of the events would be fine, like maybe a sentence or two ;)

Good luck to your team! :bounce:

By the way, just found out Richard pulled out 6-7, 5-0 with a strained left thigh *sigh*

Leo7
02-13-2003, 10:36 PM
more bad news: Misha has withdrawn from Rotterdam next week b/c of a flu (according to a poster in the Mikhail Youzhny thread). This was gonna be the best tourney for me with all my faves playing there but now Tommy and Mikhail will be missing from action. :( Oh well, i'll just have to cheer even harder now for Juanqui and Mad Max. although the Beast has been in a terrible slump recently. after beating Tommy Robredo in the 1st round (7-6 in the 3rd :D), he lost today in straights to a qualifier. i don't expect him to do well next week either. :sad:

Lee
02-13-2003, 10:37 PM
Hi Leo & TH! :wavey:

Lee
02-13-2003, 10:37 PM
:bounce: GO CANUCKS GO :bounce:

TennisHack
02-13-2003, 10:52 PM
:wavey: Leo!

At least Max got a direct acceptance into Rotterdam next week . . .

Sjengster
02-13-2003, 11:08 PM
I note that Mirnyi is one of only four established players at the top of the game not to have won a title - the others being Malisse, Nieminen and Kratochvil - and I can now see the reasons why.

Because of the nature of his game and the fact that he really doesn't have a plan B if things go wrong, he's always going to be someone who has a couple of exceptional results in a year where his opponents happen to suit him and his game clicks at the right moment. For some reason he seems to have an affinity with Germany - his two standout Masters Series results were in Stuttgart and Hamburg.

He's exciting to watch and he certainly has had some great matches with Gustavo Kuerten for one, e.g. the US Open, but he really strikes me as being too nervous in big moments and is too poor a returner to make much impact on his opponents. I mean, look at that first-round win against Robredo in Marseille - 7-6, 1-6, 7-6 on a fast indoor court against a Spaniard? That scoreline shows how hard it is for him to break serve while also showing how vulnerable his service games can be.

He's lost to a lot of people who you'd think he'd be able to beat, but their games are probably too good for him or else he lacks confidence day-in, day-out in regular tournaments - he lost in straight sets in the AO first round to Joseph Sirianni, an Aussie wildcard who got crushed the next round by Youzhny.

The Beast from Belarus, ironically, seems too caged and tame at the moment.

Lee
02-13-2003, 11:17 PM
Hi Sjenster! Ain't it quite late in UK?

Sjengster
02-13-2003, 11:25 PM
It is indeed - in fact I'm on the verge of going to bed, I just thought I'd stick around and see if there were any new results from San Jose and Vina del Mar (Spadea def. Gambill - yay, Vinnie!).

I seem to have this incurable habit of noticing that a player has been mentioned briefly in a thread, then dropping in to leave an extremely complicated opinion on their strengths and weaknesses and popping out again, leaving everyone to give their own responses. Still, I for one wasn't remotely surprised that Mirnyi lost to Cadart, despite the fact that I've never even heard of the guy - after all I hadn't heard of Sirianni before either, and look what happened there...

Lee
02-13-2003, 11:31 PM
That's a good habit. I enjoy your analysis a lot!

Although it's not that late here, I have to go! Bye! :wavey:

Leo7
02-13-2003, 11:39 PM
Originally posted by Sjengster
It is indeed - in fact I'm on the verge of going to bed, I just thought I'd stick around and see if there were any new results from San Jose and Vina del Mar (Spadea def. Gambill - yay, Vinnie!).

I seem to have this incurable habit of noticing that a player has been mentioned briefly in a thread, then dropping in to leave an extremely complicated opinion on their strengths and weaknesses and popping out again, leaving everyone to give their own responses. Still, I for one wasn't remotely surprised that Mirnyi lost to Cadart, despite the fact that I've never even heard of the guy - after all I hadn't heard of Sirianni before either, and look what happened there...

yeah, i like your analysis alot also. I was exactly surprised by his loss either, just disappointed. it seems that Max comes up with some amazing wins at times but then loses badly afterwards to a no-name. i wish he could be more confident with his game or maybe make some changes.. :(

RogiFan
02-14-2003, 01:37 AM
:) Goran says: CRO can only win vs. ESP in the QF with the help of James Bond!! ESP rarely loses at home [12 victories and 4 losses at home since 1981]. The CRO press said that ESP will use the slowest surface possible and "quoted" Juanqui: the Croatians have excellent serves but we have the game to beat them. Our home is an impenetrable wall!

Ljubicic isn't worried...


:p

Dissident
02-14-2003, 01:48 AM
Well, news from my side.

1. The computer guy came. There was some damage to my HD indeed. He couldnt repair it, so Im gonna need to send the whole stuff to a lab that works on recuperation of data. He says he is almost sure they will be able to recuperate my stuff, and even the chance of making the disk work is good. :D
But its gonna cost me some... Damn that light company. Im gonna see if I can make them pay for that!

2. Hackie, I can save the audio stuff on my moms computer. Its slow, and none of my stuff are here, but there is some space to save some mp3s. :) I have four shows now, but these are a lot smaller than the previous ones (the ones I told you all about).

3. RF I agree the Academy had enough of Pedro. But they had enough of so many people as well, didnt them?? lol I dont mind Jack Nicholson, though. I like him a lot. ;)
The reason why Almodovars movie is not there is obvious. Its a tough subject and we are on war time. They need hero-making movies like GONY or Chicago. Uplooking, bright or silly. And if they are long, even better. :p

4. ILR, Diego Gavilan will finally be playing this Saturday. :D:D
Unfortunately, we wont play at home, so I cant go and see him. But it will be on tv. :bounce:
I just hope we can keep our good vibes. ;)

See ya guys tomorrow! :wavey:

TennisHack
02-14-2003, 02:08 AM
Originally posted by Sjengster
It is indeed - in fact I'm on the verge of going to bed, I just thought I'd stick around and see if there were any new results from San Jose and Vina del Mar (Spadea def. Gambill - yay, Vinnie!).

I seem to have this incurable habit of noticing that a player has been mentioned briefly in a thread, then dropping in to leave an extremely complicated opinion on their strengths and weaknesses and popping out again, leaving everyone to give their own responses. Still, I for one wasn't remotely surprised that Mirnyi lost to Cadart, despite the fact that I've never even heard of the guy - after all I hadn't heard of Sirianni before either, and look what happened there...

Sjengster, I for one have enjoyed probably all 339 of your posts (or at least the ones I've seen). I wish you were around more often so we could chat, but for now am just pleased to see your messages after the fact :)

Thanks for your points about Mirnyi, and I'm flattered that you consider him (along with Michel & Jarkko) to be top contenders. I can only hope that they can get it all together and grab that first title -- the road always seems easier from there . . .

TennisHack
02-14-2003, 02:13 AM
Originally posted by Dissident
Well, news from my side.

1. The computer guy came. There was some damage to my HD indeed. He couldnt repair it, so Im gonna need to send the whole stuff to a lab that works on recuperation of data. He says he is almost sure they will be able to recuperate my stuff, and even the chance of making the disk work is good. :D
But its gonna cost me some... Damn that light company. Im gonna see if I can make them pay for that!

2. Hackie, I can save the audio stuff on my moms computer. Its slow, and none of my stuff are here, but there is some space to save some mp3s. :) I have four shows now, but these are a lot smaller than the previous ones (the ones I told you all about).


1. So does this mean you are still cut off, chat-service wise? How long will you have to ship your computer off for? Hopefully not long enough for me to get used to the silence ;)

It's GREAT that it can be fixed, though! :bounce: So you didn't permanently lose your important school files -- a relief :):):) And LOL at the light company -- have you caught the litigation bug? ;) And won't they say its your own fault for leaving your computer on during a thunderstorm?

2. Ahhhh, good. So you aren't completely cut off from your guys. I sent one of my friends some Pearl-Jam related links. She took the "What Pearl Jam song are you?" test and I let her listen to her song, and she seemed to like it. I told her you'd be proud, LOL :D

See you tomorrow! :wavey: Might have to cook up something special for Dyen Valentinov ;)

RogiFan
02-14-2003, 02:22 AM
:) Hi Hackie:

This is a followup from the Swiss players thread:

Re: DC doubles: Corretja and Costa will continue to play dbles at Rotterdam, Indian Wells, Miami for the purposes of DC. Balcells probably won't play doubles w Alex only because they don't play the same tournaments [for practice]. An alternative doubles player is Moya.

Now back to the Swissies!;)

Hi Diss!

Vera, that Almodovar film you saw -- is probably the only one of his that I didn't see!

TennisHack
02-14-2003, 02:27 AM
Is Moya any good at doubles? I admit my ignorance here :o

See, the Spanish have a good plan, to keep their doubles pair in play. The Swissies need to do the same. I mean, you can't just spring a new team in a DC tie, unless one of you is a FANTASTIC doubles player (which, sadly, Rogi is not . . .), and hope to win the point. I'm just glad it wasn't Federer-Rosset. That would have been an even bigger disaster :eek:

Chloe le Bopper
02-14-2003, 03:35 AM
Whoa, I'm feeling quite outnumbered in the Russian cheering camp!


I rooted for Russia last year ONLY because I wanted Kafelnikov to win. Although Mikhail is growing on me, I really don't have a fave on that team.

I used to like Safin, but he doesn't seem to care enough for me to bother paying attention to his results anymore than I do everyone elses.

Argentina on the other hand, has one of my favourites (David), a player that I like (Gaudio), and even though I don't root for him I like fiesty players like Canas.

I can't bring myself to like Chela - even if he does claim his innocence. Same for Coria, who I used to like.

Anyhow - there is is :o

Francine
02-14-2003, 09:26 AM
Goodmorning! :wavey:
Originally posted by TennisHack
Have a nice trip, Francine! :wavey: I'm sure you'll find a way to at least follow what's going on in Rotterdam ;)

Thanks for the website :)

yeah, my friend is going to sms me all the scores :D

maratski
02-14-2003, 09:32 AM
croatia v spain also promises to be a nice QF. I would love to see Goran v JC.

Sjengster I also love your posts. I remember seeing Mirny beat Marat in Rotterdam in 2001. I like to watch him, but it's too bad he hasn't won a title yet. He was good in doubles with Federer as far as I remember

Dissident
02-14-2003, 12:03 PM
lol Hackie. :D
My fault?? :eek: Well, if they say that, they will have a little problem........ :p
Ill go to that lab this afternoon and give them my computer. I guess I can have it late next week. But Im not sure. It all depends on their schedule.

As for the Pearl Jam stuff, YAY! ;)

Chloe le Bopper
02-14-2003, 12:23 PM
Oh Tennishack, what have you done to me? I blame my current "research" project entirely on you :mad:

Have you seen all of these? I know that you've seen at least a few of them seeing as some are in your club, or the site that is linked to from your club.

You see? I should be spending my time reading but NNOOOOO Tennishack has to introduce me to a fabulous new distraction. Have I not enough of these already?

http://www.sportfiles.com/photogallery/kratochvil/index.htm
http://kratochvil.free.fr/photos.htm

If you have seen them all, apologies for wasting your time :D

TennisHack
02-14-2003, 01:30 PM
Good morning, everyone! :wavey:

Happy Valentine's Day! (http://www.historychannel.com/exhibits/valentine/) Are you guys doing anything special, especially those of you with sweeties? ;)

Me, I'm just glad its Friday. I think I'll go out and get my friends some baby Toblerones, just in keeping with the sugar-coated holiday (and really, once you go Swiss, nothing else is quite good enough! ;)).

TennisHack
02-14-2003, 01:33 PM
Originally posted by Dissident
lol Hackie. :D
My fault?? :eek: Well, if they say that, they will have a little problem........ :p
Ill go to that lab this afternoon and give them my computer. I guess I can have it late next week. But Im not sure. It all depends on their schedule.

As for the Pearl Jam stuff, YAY! ;)

LOL!!! No one ever told you its dangerous to have your computer on during a lightning storm because the lightning could zap your motherboard? :eek: Wow, I guess we are a very litigous society with idiot warnings on everything . . .

*crosses fingers* for your computer. Hopefully they will be speedy :)

TennisHack
02-14-2003, 01:38 PM
Originally posted by Rebecca
Oh Tennishack, what have you done to me? I blame my current "research" project entirely on you :mad:

Have you seen all of these? I know that you've seen at least a few of them seeing as some are in your club, or the site that is linked to from your club.

You see? I should be spending my time reading but NNOOOOO Tennishack has to introduce me to a fabulous new distraction. Have I not enough of these already?

LOLOL!! I'm sorry, Becca, but its your own fault if you've only now discovered Michel's beauty :hearts: And never underestimate me -- I've probably seen all of the pictures there are of him on the web. It's the only *good* thing about his not being too terribly popular.

Does this mean I have to share my Valentine with you?

Chloe le Bopper
02-14-2003, 01:54 PM
LOLOL!! I'm sorry, Becca, but its your own fault if you've only now discovered Michel's beauty

Well it's not like he gets televised very often ;)


And never underestimate me -- I've probably seen all of the pictures there are of him on the web.

Well since you had only recently found the Tokyo ones, I thought that it was worth pointing out ;)


It's the only *good* thing about his not being too terribly popular.

If he was more popular, he'd have more websites and more pictures. So I'm not sure that this is a good thing at all. But if he's only going to have a couple fan sites dedicated to him, at least they are good ones!


Does this mean I have to share my Valentine with you?

Oh no no. I wouldn't dare intrude on your love affair hackie. I'll just wait untill Easter or something ;)

maratski
02-14-2003, 02:01 PM
Happy Valentine's day to you too TH. Like you I'm just glad it's friday. I'm single and probably going to bed early. I'm tired from sitting in the office all day. Going to school is way better than having an internship. I like my internship, but the hours are just too long.

Chloe le Bopper
02-14-2003, 02:03 PM
Happy Valentine's day to you too TH. Like you I'm just glad it's friday. I'm single and probably going to bed early.

Me too! Valentines Day is just another consumer holiday to me. I insist that when I finally get hooked up that I won't celebrate it. Grar @ consumer holidays.

I'm tired from sitting in the office all day. Going to school is way better than having an internship. I like my internship, but the hours are just too long.

You know how it goes - people in school want to finish and get the hell out. A little dose of the real world and everybody wants to go back to school ;)

maratski
02-14-2003, 02:11 PM
I went to Galeries Lafayette last night and when I got there I saw that it had a theme night for people who are single. There were fortune tellers all over the place and a meeting point to find a date. It made me laugh cause there were a lot of people. You could get a broken heart and if you found a guy with the other part you could win a prize for Valentine's day.
I just walked further cause I was more interested in the spring collection.

Sjengster
02-14-2003, 04:56 PM
Seeing as there are so many Canadians in here, I thought it would be interesting to recommend this Canadian website that I discovered about a year ago. It has archive listings on all the Grand Slams of the past few years:

http://slam.canoe.ca/SlamTennisWimbledon/home.html

I say all the Grand Slams, but I've recently discovered that all the Australian Open archives seem to have been removed following the 2003 edition of the event. :mad: The other three Slams are still there, and they stretch as far back as Roland Garros 1996, but again for some strange reason the archives for the 1996 and 2000 US Opens seem to be inaccessible.

Still, the rest are there intact, and they make interesting reading - given that this is a Canadian sports site, there is always great importance attached to the results of Canadian players even though most of them didn't get very far in the Slams.

maratski
02-14-2003, 05:17 PM
My day ay the office is finally over. Have a nice weekend everyone :wavey:

Vera
02-14-2003, 05:44 PM
Morning everyone :wavey: Happy Valentine's Day!

So seems like Baldy is going to win another tournament *yawn*. Can James stop him?

Thanks for the good lucks guys! My team won a spectacular game last night. I was so nervous even before the game starts, it felt like playoffs :D. We were trailing and finally got a tying goal with 3 and a half min left in regular time. Then we scored in OT to snap their 10 games winning streak :D :D :D. Okay, won't bore you with more detail now :o.

Lee, have you heard about the trade rumor, the Rangers eyeing on Iggy :eek:. Damn, don't let him got suck into the Big Apple. There's already a causualty this week, Alexei Kovalev, and Mario was sad that the Penguins has to trade him bcos they are in financial trouble :sad:. Rangers the laughing stock at the moment and I felt bad for Alexei.

Lee
02-14-2003, 06:48 PM
Happy Valentine's Day to everybody!

As my son's teacher said, Valentine's Day is not just for couples, it's also for friendships. And I treasure the friendship we have share here.

It did get a little bit commercialised. I was in my son's class Valentine's Day party (basically a cleaning lady there), the kids traded Valentine cards (and tons of candies :fiery: ). Then, they have to tally how many from girls/boys, how many have animals/no animals and how many are store bought/home made. As everyone can guess, none is home made.

Lee
02-14-2003, 06:55 PM
Diss, good luck with your data recovery process. *pray*

I forgot to ask whether you have surge suppressor? Again, it may cost a fortune in Brazil, but I believe this is a very good investment especially your computer equipments cost a lot more, not to mention the computer down time.

Lee
02-14-2003, 07:05 PM
Sjengster, thanks for the site :)

Lee
02-14-2003, 07:35 PM
Vera, a great win for the Canucks!

I heard about the trade rumor of Iggy. It's expected at this time of the year and Flames are so good in trading their star player and get nothing back. Doug Gilmore, Joe Nieuwendyke, Al MacInnis , Theoren Fluery, Valerie Bure, Derek Morris,.....

And the reasons that Iggy may be traded to Big Apple:

1. Flames can't afford Iggy's salary.
2. Flames not likely to make playoff.
3. Big Apple loves Edmontonians, Glen Slather and Mark Messier have deep Edmonton roots. Iggy and Messier are native Edmontonians.
4. Big Apple probably has some money left next season since Mark Messier's contract will end this season (if I remember correctly)

RogiFan
02-14-2003, 07:53 PM
:) Hi Vera, Lee, Sjengster, Rebecca, Ilhame!

Not a GOOD day for me since my ROGI lost to Sluiter today in Marseille in the QFs... but I'm glad the Canucks won, Vera!! Good for them. [nice to know some teams/people can pull it out when
necessary!] Don't mind me... I'm just a little p/off at the moment...

I have to rush back to the Rogi forum to gaze at him from the Mar US Tennis mag...

gotta have sth to be cheerful about!

bye for now! ;)

TennisHack
02-14-2003, 08:00 PM
Originally posted by Rebecca
Well since you had only recently found the Tokyo ones, I thought that it was worth pointing out ;)

I only save the best :D

If he was more popular, he'd have more websites and more pictures. So I'm not sure that this is a good thing at all. But if he's only going to have a couple fan sites dedicated to him, at least they are good ones!

What I meant was, the only good thing about his not being too popular was the fact that I could do a Google sweep and see all there was to see and it wouldn't take me forever and three days. The downside is, of course, that there are hardly any pictures of him unless he does something 'amazing' :rolleyes:

And I'm glad you like my sites, and whatever other ones you have found for him! :)


Oh no no. I wouldn't dare intrude on your love affair hackie. I'll just wait untill Easter or something ;)

Hehe ;) My love affair with pictures . . . :(

TennisHack
02-14-2003, 08:04 PM
Originally posted by Rebecca
Me too! Valentines Day is just another consumer holiday to me. I insist that when I finally get hooked up that I won't celebrate it. Grar @ consumer holidays.

Oh, you know you're going to want your guy to bring you flowers on Dyen Valentinov ;)

Seriously, though, I just like celebrating my friends. It's not worth it to be bitter (and I say this as a person who was bitter for more Valentines' Days than not).

Besides, if like me all of your friends are single, you can get together and commiserate and eat chocolate :D

Lee
02-14-2003, 08:09 PM
I read in GM that 1jackson2001 was not allowed to go to Siebel open SF even he got the ticket cause his parents are afraid of terrorists attack. Am I ignorance or what? Why people in US are so scare of living their life by a terrorist thread (actually, the thread is not directly from terrorist but their own government)?

I saw the news on their owners in army supply shop telling what people need to do to seal their houses if there is chemically attack and how much those suppliers cost in their shops. They did forget to tell people how long they can survive in a sealed room/house with no source of clean air supply.

TennisHack
02-14-2003, 08:11 PM
Argh, I'm so confused . . . . this is the latest news from Rotterdam:

Sixteen players will be admitted to the qualification tournament. Consequently, the first round of a total of eight matches will be played on Saturday 15 February from 10.00 a.m. Four matches are scheduled for Sunday 16 February, again beginning at 10.00 a.m. The qualification matches will take place in Hall 1 in Ahoy' Rotterdam.

The competitors in the qualifications are:

1. Mario Ancic (Cro);
2. Juan Luis Tati Rascon (Esp);
3. Fred Hemmes jr. (Ned);
4. Oliver Gross (Ger);
5. Olivier Mutis (Fra);
6. Peter Wessels (Ned);
7. Jean-Julien Rojer (Aho);
8. Michael Russel (USA);
9. Christophe Rochus (Bel);
10. Mark-Kevin Goellner (Ger);
11. Yves Allegro (Sui);
12. Dennis van Scheppingen (Ned);
13. Andrei Stoliarov (Rus);
14. Rogier Wassen (Ned);
15. Renzo Furlan (Ita);
16. Bjorn Phau (Ger).


Where are the other people who signed up, at least according to this article?



Strong field of competitors in qualifications for the ABN AMRO World Tennis Tournament






The organizers of the ABN AMRO World Tennis Tournament have not just been blessed with an extremely strong field of competitors for the main tournament; former top-10 players and other great talents have also registered for the qualification tournament. For example, apart from Nicolas Kiefer and Karol Kucera, the Belgian brothers Olivier and Christophe Rochus will make their appearance in the weekend prior to the main tournament. In addition, Mario Ancic has singed up for the qualifications. Last month, this Croatian talent knocked out Sjeng Schalken during the second round of the Australian Open. The Australian Wayne Arthurs, listed 46th in the world rankings, is the highest-seeded player in the ranking. And the wildcards will be given to Jean-Julien Rojer, a Dutchman coming from Curacao.

The competitors in the qualifications are listed as follows:
1. Wayne Arthurs (AUS);
2. Feliciano Lopez (ESP);
3. Radek Stepanek (CZE);
4. Olivier Rochus (BEL);
5. Mario Ancic (CRO);
6. Nicolas Kiefer (GER);
7. Michel Kratochvil (SUI);
8. Karol Kucera (SVK);
9. Julien Boutter (FRA);
10. Bohdan Ulihrach (CZE);
11. Olivier Mutis (FRA);
12. Alexander Waske (GER);
13. Christophe Rochus (BEL);
14. Jean-Julien Rojer (HOL) - W.C.
15. wildcard;
16. wildcard.


NARGH! :confused:

RogiFan
02-14-2003, 08:14 PM
:) Hackie!

Good attitude! I'm feeling better now having gazed at Rogi in the mag... i'm actually so far beyond Valentine's Day it doesn't matter anymore... thank God I still have single friends! In fact, I'm going out for a Japanese din tomorrow with them!

But first, gotta find that mag!! hee hee!

I just watched Sampras beat AA at the USO02 final... very satisfying... I also watched Baldy being beaten by Pete at USO01 -- was that Rd16 or QF?? anyway, AA said in his post-match interview that he's happy that he FORCED Pete to play at a HIGH LEVEL... he always has to turn it back to himself, doesn't he? YUK!!! Can't just congratulate Pete and leave it... I certainly hope Steffi doesn't play mixed doubles w him at RG03... apparently AA never told her about this little scheme of his... not surprised! :rolleyes:

Lee
02-14-2003, 08:14 PM
Hi TH! :wavey:

Yes, I agree with you, it's very confusing in that list Rotterdam. :(

Vera
02-14-2003, 08:16 PM
Hi Lee, RF and Hackie.

Ah, sorry to hear that Rogi lost! Who's that Sluiter guy? Oh well, there's always next tourney. And thx Hackie for that mag piccies in the Rogi forum, I think I'm getting that issue too. Hmmmm, do you think they will ever put Juanqui on the cover? If such day comes, well, let's not put hopes up too high :(.

Lee, I understand why Iggy's trade's inevitable, just hope he didn't get sucked up by the Rangers, that's all. I like Sather much better when he was with the Oilers, and frankly Oilers was a better team with him (or maybe it was bcos of Cujo and Dougie Weight). Hey, read this: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/hockey/news/2003/02/13/burning_questions/
Despite the cynicism, it's really true. And don't forget the third question regarding MacTavish and Harvey, very funny :D.

Lee
02-14-2003, 08:19 PM
Originally posted by RogiFan
:) Hackie!

Good attitude! I'm feeling better now having gazed at Rogi in the mag... i'm actually so far beyond Valentine's Day it doesn't matter anymore... thank God I still have single friends! In fact, I'm going out for a Japanese din tomorrow with them!

But first, gotta find that mag!! hee hee!

I just watched Sampras beat AA at the USO02 final... very satisfying... I also watched Baldy being beaten by Pete at USO01 -- was that Rd16 or QF?? anyway, AA said in his post-match interview that he's happy that he FORCED Pete to play at a HIGH LEVEL... he always has to turn it back to himself, doesn't he? YUK!!! Can't just congratulate Pete and leave it... I certainly hope Steffi doesn't play mixed doubles w him at RG03... apparently AA never told her about this little scheme of his... not surprised! :rolleyes:

Hi RF! Glad to hear you feel better now!

Sampras beat AA at QF in USO01, he beat Rafter at Rd16 and Safin in SF. Talk about a tough draw :eek:

And about AA want attention, I think I mentioned it in the thread before, he need the attention in FO since ppl will talk about Juanqui and Guga instead of him, so in order to grab the spot light, he need to use his wife. :rolleyes: May be he can have Jaden play double with him?

Vera
02-14-2003, 08:23 PM
Originally posted by Lee
I read in GM that 1jackson2001 was not allowed to go to Siebel open SF even he got the ticket cause his parents are afraid of terrorists attack. Am I ignorance or what? Why people in US are so scare of living their life by a terrorist thread (actually, the thread is not directly from terrorist but their own government)?

I saw the news on their owners in army supply shop telling what people need to do to seal their houses if there is chemically attack and how much those suppliers cost in their shops. They did forget to tell people how long they can survive in a sealed room/house with no source of clean air supply.

The whole morning, I was watching the war news on TV. Everyone in North American is worried about the terrorists, yet ppl think going to war with Iraq is the solution:confused: ? I thought that's inviting terrorism into our living room! Am I the only pessimist here?

Well, I was thinking about that. Don't think they will attack a tourney like Siebel Open. I'm thinking about the baseball season opener, that's a high percentage target. When's the season starts for MLB, anyone?

RogiFan
02-14-2003, 08:25 PM
:) Hey Lee!

You're absolutely correct about AA! You have him sussed completely and I agree w you!

Vera: I'm surprised they haven't had Juanqui on the cover but then, Juanqui is NOT American and his English isn't that great and he's considered a claycourter... etc. etc. etc.! Maybe he'll be on the cover v soon... just wait til the "claycourt season"!!

Yeah, I can't wait to buy the mag myself! Even my Swiss mag has people like AA on the cover... :rolleyes: As for the French mag: it's either the Frenchies [and there's ALWAYS articles on them no matter what] or AA or Sampras or Williams or Hewitt. When Juanqui wins the RG I hope he'll be on the cover! There was a good article on some of the Frenchies and their mothers!! Exc Grosgros... he's pretty guarded about his family life... not too open. ;)

Vera
02-14-2003, 08:26 PM
Originally posted by TennisHack
Argh, I'm so confused . . . . this is the latest news from Rotterdam:


That's confusing. Hope it was a misunderstanding. I was excited about the quali and was hoping those I like would get thru.

Vera
02-14-2003, 08:30 PM
Originally posted by RogiFan
:)
Vera: I'm surprised they haven't had Juanqui on the cover but then, Juanqui is NOT American and his English isn't that great and he's considered a claycourter... etc. etc. etc.! Maybe he'll be on the cover v soon... just wait til the "claycourt season"!!

Yeah, I can't wait to buy the mag myself! Even my Swiss mag has people like AA on the cover... :rolleyes: As for the French mag: it's either the Frenchies [and there's ALWAYS articles on them no matter what] or AA or Sampras or Williams or Hewitt. When Juanqui wins the RG I hope he'll be on the cover! There was a good article on some of the Frenchies and their mothers!! Exc Grosgros... he's pretty guarded about his family life... not too open. ;)

I guess I actually don't mind that they didn't have Juanqui. It's okay that he didn't go mainstream America. He's the secret goldmine for the real tennis fanatics like us :D. I would like that Frenchies mag, I'm pretty good at guessing French with my 3 months language class in Montreal :o. Yep, Seb's very private but every time his family got bought up, he can sense how happy he is. :)

TennisHack
02-14-2003, 08:32 PM
Originally posted by Lee
I read in GM that 1jackson2001 was not allowed to go to Siebel open SF even he got the ticket cause his parents are afraid of terrorists attack. Am I ignorance or what? Why people in US are so scare of living their life by a terrorist thread (actually, the thread is not directly from terrorist but their own government)?

I saw the news on their owners in army supply shop telling what people need to do to seal their houses if there is chemically attack and how much those suppliers cost in their shops. They did forget to tell people how long they can survive in a sealed room/house with no source of clean air supply.

Basically, its bull. I'm not afraid of a terrorist attack either, and I don't know of anyone -- personally or on the web (MeFi) who is either.

I saw a thing on MeFi about the government selling disaster kits complete with plastic sheeting and duct tape to seal off the rooms. The next day they recanted, admitting that sealing off a room might not be such a hot idea :rolleyes:

Lee
02-14-2003, 08:35 PM
Originally posted by Vera
The whole morning, I was watching the war news on TV. Everyone in North American is worried about the terrorists, yet ppl think going to war with Iraq is the solution:confused: ? I thought that's inviting terrorism into our living room! Am I the only pessimist here?

Well, I was thinking about that. Don't think they will attack a tourney like Siebel Open. I'm thinking about the baseball season opener, that's a high percentage target. When's the season starts for MLB, anyone?

I avoid all those 24 hours news channel these days! :rolleyes: I especially avoid Fox News since they are so right winged and they hate Canadians. It's hard to tell ppl going to war is not a solution but who am I? 12 years ago, Bush Sr. thought he had Iraq fixed by the Gulf War and now baby Bush thought in the same way. Or may be the West Wing since they are more or less the same bunch of people.

It will be a little while for MLB season. They just get players back to get ready for Spring training.

TennisHack
02-14-2003, 08:35 PM
Rotterdam qualifying draw :(

(1) Mario Ancic (CRO)
Juan Luis Tati Rascon (ESP)

Fred Hemmes Jr. (NED)
(5) Oliver Gross (GER)

(2) Olivier Mutis (FRA)
Peter Wessells (NED)

Jean-Julien Rojer (AHO)
(7) Michael Russell (USA)

=============================

(3) Christophe Rochus (BEL)
Marc-Kevin Goellner (GER)

Yves Allergo (SUI)
(8) Dennis van Scheppingen (NED)

(4) Andrei Stoliarov (RUS)
Rogier Wassen (NED)

Renzo Furlan (ITA)
(6) Bjorn Phau (GER)

Lee
02-14-2003, 08:38 PM
And Vera, thanks for the link to SI! It lightened my mood a bit.

Vera
02-14-2003, 08:39 PM
Originally posted by TennisHack
I saw a thing on MeFi about the government selling disaster kits complete with plastic sheeting and duct tape to seal off the rooms.

If a nuclear war breaks out in my neighbourhood, frankly, I would rather be dead then to have to face the aftermath. And what's fun to live in isolation anyway (well, I assume that if there's there's a war in here, internet won't be working and that's isolation big time).

Lee
02-14-2003, 08:40 PM
And don't you guys know that internet is the result of the COLD WAR!

Vera
02-14-2003, 08:43 PM
Originally posted by Lee
And don't you guys know that internet is the result of the COLD WAR!

No. Care to elaborate?

I only heard that joke on TV, that Gore said "I took the initiative to invent internet" :rolleyes: :o .

ILR
02-14-2003, 08:43 PM
:wavey: to all here :)

Hope you all had a nice Valentines day!Mine was OK with a total of...no cards ;) oh well theres always next year :p At football training I had a nosebleed :( One of my friends flicked the ball up and smacked me full on the nose.Had to sit out!But Im ok now!:)

Sjengster
02-14-2003, 08:43 PM
Well Hackie, I can see why a few people are no longer in the Rotterdam quallies draw - Kucera for one, who's probably realised that he's having a much better week than he expected in Marseille and, who knows, could still be around on Sunday for the final. And perhaps Kratochvil's injury that caused his retirement is still bothering him?

TennisHack
02-14-2003, 08:44 PM
Originally posted by Vera
If a nuclear war breaks out in my neighbourhood, frankly, I would rather be dead then to have to face the aftermath. And what's fun to live in isolation anyway (well, I assume that if there's there's a war in here, internet won't be working and that's isolation big time).

Well, if nuclear war breaks out, we'll probably all be obliterated before we know what happened. Cockroaches will rule supreme :D

TennisHack
02-14-2003, 08:49 PM
Originally posted by Sjengster
Well Hackie, I can see why a few people are no longer in the Rotterdam quallies draw - Kucera for one, who's probably realised that he's having a much better week than he expected in Marseille and, who knows, could still be around on Sunday for the final. And perhaps Kratochvil's injury that caused his retirement is still bothering him?

Well, yeah, Kucera I understand. And some players received direct acceptance into the draw. But there are others besides Michel who have mysterious disappeared . . .

And he injured his toe. Unless he broke it, I don't see what the problem is . . .

Vera
02-14-2003, 08:53 PM
Originally posted by TennisHack
Well, if nuclear war breaks out, we'll probably all be obliterated before we know what happened. Cockroaches will rule supreme :D

That's the point, why would ppl want to seal their house if they are worried about nuclear, chemical and whatever weapons. Me don't think the next terrorist act (if there's ever one) is gonna be subtle and if such weapon is used, there's no stopping it.

And I'm afraid of insects like roaches and was frequently asked why such a tiny creature would have power over me. Well, don't they knows cockroaches rules the world :p.

RogiFan
02-14-2003, 08:54 PM
Originally posted by TennisHack
Well, if nuclear war breaks out, we'll probably all be obliterated before we know what happened. Cockroaches will rule supreme :D

lol Hackie, that is SO true! Forget about US or RUS or China -- the cockroaches will take over the world, no, the universe!!!

Hi ILR!

Did you check out that new Rogi thread perchance?? You should!

Yeah wasn't it the CIA who invented internet in the 60s?? ;)

I can't stand watching the news these days... I avoid it at all costs... if there's a war, I'm sure I'll find out somehow... shudder! But this guy w the grenade from Venezuela via Bogota via Barbados to Gatwick... who was he anyway??? Honestly... just a routine check unearths all sorts! Why didn't he use the grenade?? Crazy!:rolleyes:

Vera
02-14-2003, 08:55 PM
Question: why is that in the ATP website scores & draws said Federer d. Sluiter 64 46 64? Is it possible that RF and friends miss the scoreline and thought Rogi lost?

Lee
02-14-2003, 08:57 PM
Hi Emma and Sjenster! :wavey:

I am not 100% sure that's correct but this is what I know. During the COLD WAR, the US government needed a more reliable way to communicate (other than telex, long distance phone call) if war broke out. At that time, some colleges/Uni had developed a networking system to communicate between them. The governement thought it's a good idea and invest into the internet development.

ILR
02-14-2003, 08:58 PM
Hi :wavey:

yes as a matter of fact I just posted in Rogi forum!And thanks again for magazine cover and articles Hackie :) not that it makes the score any better :(

Sjengster
02-14-2003, 08:59 PM
Gatwick isn't too far away from me in the South East, so I was more than a little worried by that announcement - it was quite spooky when I heard the story announced on a talkshow programme and the presenters gave new information to the viewer as they received it over their ear-pieces from the producer.

And the only power roaches have is to survive a nuclear attack, not to rule in its aftermath. I should think they'll be quite happy ferreting around the irradiated wasteland that will be our once-fertile planet Earth, poking curiously at the charred and dessicated corpses of creatures that used to hunt them and wondering why all the vegetation has suddenly withered away to dust.

Ahem. Anyway...

Lee
02-14-2003, 09:00 PM
And Emma, sorry to hear about your nose. Looking from the bright side, you did not break your nose. :D

RogiFan
02-14-2003, 09:01 PM
Originally posted by Vera
Question: why is that in the ATP website scores & draws said Federer d. Sluiter 64 46 64? Is it possible that RF and friends miss the scoreline and thought Rogi lost?

Well, Vera, that w be a nice surprise but the scoreboards have been wanky lately -- earlier they said Ancic lost to Dupuis when in fact he had won... so who knows!!!???

I think the al-Kaida people are so clever they are diverting attention away from their REAL target, whatever that may be [we can't second-guess these guys!] -- i.e., Heathrow, wherever else countried are bringing out their national guard, army, what have you -- then out of the blue when you least expect it, they'll strike in an unlikely place -- they've had plenty of opportunities in the US -- Super Bowl, etc. As for Canada, what kind of army do we have to protect us anyway? They're al being rerouted to... Afghanistan??? So, what Bosnia no longer needs protection??? There are just TOO many wars out there... all the more reason for us to have a diversion, and if it's Jarkko, Juanqui, Rogi or Micha, all the better, I say!! :p

wanky???!!!:p [wonder where my mind has been...:p :rolleyes: ] i meant WONKY!!!

Vera
02-14-2003, 09:02 PM
While we are on the subject, must as well rant as much :p. So they said we need to go to war bcos Iraq violates the UN weapons agreement, so the US needs to take action to enforce that. But then, US taking military action is against the UN coalition's agreement on the subject matter, at least at the moment. I mean, is it a little contradicts the idea of having UN there?

ILR
02-14-2003, 09:04 PM
lol Lee I know!Its lucky it was so cold because it would have hurt a lot more but didnt because I was numb.I didnt even know I was bleeding until it dripped onto my coat!

Sjengster
02-14-2003, 09:05 PM
Originally posted by RogiFan
There are just TOO many wars out there... all the more reason for us to have a diversion, and if it's Jarkko, Juanqui, Rogi or Micha, all the better, I say!! :p

Hmm, tennis as escapism... I've often wondered whether that's the only reason I've become so immersed in tennis, to try and blot out the problems around us, but then I think that I've never needed an excuse to ignore what is around me anyway - and I started to really get into tennis before all the world's current troubles started with September 11.

TennisHack
02-14-2003, 09:06 PM
Originally posted by Sjengster
And the only power roaches have is to survive a nuclear attack, not to rule in its aftermath.

Well considering they are about the only species that will survice a nuclear attack, they probably will reign supreme.

I mean, in the grand scheme of things, all one has to do is knock off the human species and the world would be no worse for the wear. As my comparative prof says, the only reason we're at the top of the food chain now is because we've learned how to adapt the best.

Vera
02-14-2003, 09:07 PM
Originally posted by Lee
Hi Emma and Sjenster! :wavey:

I am not 100% sure that's correct but this is what I know. During the COLD WAR, the US government needed a more reliable way to communicate (other than telex, long distance phone call) if war broke out. At that time, some colleges/Uni had developed a networking system to communicate between them. The governement thought it's a good idea and invest into the internet development.

That's what I heard, about the group of college Phd students having their own network, particularly in the Stanford area. So, is the CIA decided to help develop it? Gore was in CIA? Or he just decided to take the credit :rolleyes: .

Lee
02-14-2003, 09:07 PM
I'm someone who believe that if you are destined to die, there is no way to avoid it. Especially here in US. Remember the snipers in DC area, those people just went out to shop, eat or work. One minute they were alive and healthy, the next minute, they were dead. And the snipers are not terrorists, just someone with a twisted mind. There are more people in North America died in car accidents than war. Are we not going to work, shop, eat or just walk outside to get your mail?

RogiFan
02-14-2003, 09:09 PM
Originally posted by Sjengster
Hmm, tennis as escapism... I've often wondered whether that's the only reason I've become so immersed in tennis, to try and blot out the problems around us, but then I think that I've never needed an excuse to ignore what is around me anyway - and I started to really get into tennis before all the world's current troubles started with September 11.

I don't need an excuse to immerse myself in tennis... I've been a fanatic for awhile now... I just focus on different players throughout the years...

Gatwick... it's been a few years since I've flown there! I hardly ever follow the real news... I even follow foreign news before national or local, for some weird reason... :rolleyes: It's the dreamer in me...

Forget that previous post of mine... my mind is obviously wandering!

:p

Lee
02-14-2003, 09:10 PM
Originally posted by Vera
That's what I heard, about the group of college Phd students having their own network, particularly in the Stanford area. So, is the CIA decided to help develop it? Gore was in CIA? Or he just decided to take the credit :rolleyes: .

Vera, for a guy who can't spell potato, what do you think the answer will be?

TennisHack
02-14-2003, 09:11 PM
Speaking of escapism . . .

Top four seeds reach semifinals at Proximus Diamond Games
February 14, 2003
ANTWERP, Belgium (Ticker) - Friday was a banner day for the favorites as the top four seeds all reached the semifinals of the $585,000 Proximus Diamond Games without losing a set.

Only fourth-seed Daniela Hantuchova of Slovakia was tested, needing a tiebreaker in the second set to get past No. 8 Nathalie Dechy of France, 7-5, 7-6 (8-6).

Top seed and defending champion Venus Williams of the United States cruised to a 6-1, 6-4 victory over Tina Pisnik of Slovakia; No. 2 Kim Clijsters of Belgium ousted seventh-seed Patty Schnyder of Switzerland, 7-5, 6-1; and No. 3 Justine Henin-Hardene, also of Belgium, dispatched Ai Sugiyama of Japan, 6-2, 6-4.

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Williams is playing in only her second event of the year, losing to her sister, Serena, in the final of the Australian Open last month. She defeated Henin-Hardene in three sets in the final here last year, one of her 28 titles.

Clijsters captured her 11th career title in early January at Sydney and third straight without losing a set. She dropped only 19 games en route to the victory. Clijsters had won 24 of 25 matches before losing to Serena Williams in the semifinals at the Australian Open.

The 19-year-old Hantuchova is seeking her second career title, breaking through last year at Indian Wells. The first Slovakian woman to crack the top five in the world rankings, Hantuchova lost in the quarterfinals last week at the Paris Indoors as the No. 2 seed.

A winner of six titles, Henin-Hardenne is looking for her first win of 2003, having reached the semifinals at Sydney and the Australian Open. At Sydney, she suffered a 6-2, 6-3 loss to Clijsters.

In Saturday's semifinals, Venus Williams will take on Hantuchova and Clijsters battles Henin-Hardene.

First prize is $93,000 and a diamond-studded racquet.

Vera
02-14-2003, 09:12 PM
Originally posted by Sjengster
And the only power roaches have is to survive a nuclear attack, not to rule in its aftermath. I should think they'll be quite happy ferreting around the irradiated wasteland that will be our once-fertile planet Earth, poking curiously at the charred and dessicated corpses of creatures that used to hunt them and wondering why all the vegetation has suddenly withered away to dust.


Not much bio knowledge of me, so why's everyone think roaches will survive? And if they are the only creature that survives, then they can rule the world and no one can object. If I survive with them, they can rule the world and I won't be able to object.

Sjengster
02-14-2003, 09:14 PM
Originally posted by TennisHack
Well considering they are about the only species that will survice a nuclear attack, they probably will reign supreme.

Ah, but that's my point you see - just because they'll be the only survivors, doesn't mean they'll necessarily reign supreme. After all, if you're going to reign you've got to have someone to reign over, if you see my point, and in my thankfully limited experience of them roaches are not particularly interested in world domination. They won't rule, they'll just exist, lonely but confident that in one important respect they've proved themselves superior to mankind.

RogiFan
02-14-2003, 09:14 PM
Originally posted by Lee
Vera, for a guy who can't spell potato, what do you think the answer will be?

Was it Gore? I thought it was that other guy... what's his name? Whatever happened to him anyway?? I can see his face... that was so funny at the time!! Who can spell these days anyway? :rolleyes:

Vera
02-14-2003, 09:15 PM
Originally posted by Lee
Vera, for a guy who can't spell potato, what do you think the answer will be?

Hey, that's not Gore, or did Gore misspelt Potato too? That's Dan Quir_ _ how to spell his name?

Lee
02-14-2003, 09:15 PM
Originally posted by TennisHack

First prize is $93,000 and a diamond-studded racquet.

A diamont-studded racquet :D :D I want one :D :D

I keep wondering why the tourny is called Diamond Games until I read the diamont-studded racquet and remember that Belgium is famous for cutting diamonds.

Lee
02-14-2003, 09:17 PM
Originally posted by Vera
Hey, that's not Gore, or did Gore misspelt Potato too? That's Dan Quir_ _ how to spell his name?

May be that's not Gore but he is not considered as very bright too! Although I think he has a higher IQ than GW Bush.

RogiFan
02-14-2003, 09:18 PM
Originally posted by Vera
Hey, that's not Gore, or did Gore misspelt Potato too? That's Dan Quir_ _ how to spell his name?

Dan Quayle, that's it! Where is he now?? [maybe back in spelling classes!]
:p

Belgium, famous for diamonds, chocolate, french fries, mussels... what else? kimmie and justine!

TennisHack
02-14-2003, 09:19 PM
Originally posted by Sjengster
Ah, but that's my point you see - just because they'll be the only survivors, doesn't mean they'll necessarily reign supreme. After all, if you're going to reign you've got to have someone to reign over, if you see my point, and in my thankfully limited experience of them roaches are not particularly interested in world domination. They won't rule, they'll just exist, lonely but confident that in one important respect they've proved themselves superior to mankind.

But they will "reign supreme" by default. No, in all actuality they won't rule the world because there won't be anything to rule, but by the rules of logic, and on the off-chance that aliens will visit or something, they will be the only ones left to take care of the planet.

Vera, there's some sort of scientific proof that cockroaches are able to withstand enormous amounts of radiation and toxicity. If Sjengster hasn't beaten me to it, I'll link it up (if I can find it).

Sjengster
02-14-2003, 09:20 PM
Dan Quayle is the name you're looking for, I believe. There's a website somewhere of all his infamous slips of the tongue and malapropisms, I really must find it. I looked it up once for research in my Politics class, although to be honest I just felt like a laugh more than I wanted to find out anything.

TennisHack
02-14-2003, 09:20 PM
Originally posted by Vera
Hey, that's not Gore, or did Gore misspelt Potato too? That's Dan Quir_ _ how to spell his name?

Dan Quayle, the second-most idiotic man to hold office :D

TennisHack
02-14-2003, 09:23 PM
http://people.advanced.org/~jaron/roach.html

A Time Capsule that will survive One Thousand Years in Manhattan

Submitted by Jaron Lanier, with the collaboration of David Sulzer and Lisa Haney

May 3, 1999


Summary:

An archive of the New York Times Magazine and other materials will be encoded into the DNA of cockroaches which will be released in Manhattan.

Method:

The familiar New York City cockroach predates the city’s geography. It has survived ice ages, earthquakes, famines, and floods. It has watched the dinosaurs come and go. It has resisted determined efforts by mankind to remove it even from individual buildings. It would survive a nuclear attack. It will probably outlive all other contemporary fauna on Manhattan, including humans.

Some of the cockroach’s genes are extremely stable. They have not changed substantially for millions of years, and are therefore extremely likely to remain stable for the next one thousand years. Associated with these genes are DNA sequences known as introns which serve no known purpose. While it is possible that these sequences serve some unidentified function, their content is gibberish.

Recombinant techniques will be used to overwrite this gibberish with the archival materials. While computer memory is made of bits, which exist in two states (zero or one), DNA is composed of four "base pairs"; so it has four states. Therefore a given sequence of DNA can store twice as much information as a similar length of computer memory.

A single cockroach’s introns will easily be able to contain the articles, letters, and other primary texts of one full year’s editions of the Times Magazine.

Certain types of information will be written into mitochondrial DNA sequences, which are inherited matrilinearly and are not subject to sexual recombination, instead of introns. DNA in this location is not as stable, but will nonetheless remain useful for the required period of time. Mitochondrial DNA is well suited to data such as digitized photographs, audio recordings, and crossword puzzles. The continuous nature of photographic and audio materials makes them useful even if there are slight modifications to the data; indeed even the best preserved photographs are constantly undergoing slight changes which are not perceived by casual observers. While crossword puzzles are made of discrete information (text), it is presumed that the further in the future the puzzle is decoded, the more advanced the civilization will be; therefore any errors caused by the passage of time will simply generate an appropriately difficult puzzle.

Once an archive is selected, it will be written into a computer file and coded into DNA base pairs. The sequences will then be synthesized by conventional protocols. Then the archival DNA will be ligated into cockroach intron DNA via injection into eggs.

Once the archival roaches are born they will be cultivated until the population achieves at least the specified volume (8 cubic feet). The roaches will be released in selected locations in Manhattan. Further cultivations and releases will follow, carefully calculated to assure that the archive is widespread enough to survive for the specified period of time.

Within approximately fourteen years, the archival roaches will inexorably become so endemic as to become an ubiquitous and permanent feature of the island.

In order to decode the archive, a future historian would make use of Polymerase Chain Reaction (PCR) to amplify and then sequence the fragments, turning the DNA sequence once again into the contents of a computer’s memory. In order to facilitate decoding, the archive will not make use of data compression or encryption technologies.

Justification:

This proposal is not intended as a joke or social commentary. It is the best technological solution to meet the demands of the constraints presented.

a) The time capsule is to be placed in Manhattan, yet last for 1000 years. Manhattan is one of the least desirable locations on Earth for archival storage. It is a likely target for terrorist or military attack during the specified period of time. Furthermore, Manhattan might very well be subject to political pressures that would cause future residents to make unplanned use of its spaces and other resources. Even "sacred ground" such as Central Park, might become vulnerable to exploitation because of unforeseen changed in technology and society. For instance, travel might become restricted and parklands on Manhattan might be needed to produce food. New forms of transportation, such as spaceports, might become available that require large amounts of space and are demanded in population centers rather than at the peripheries, where contemporary airports are found. New space might be required to house artificial phases of human life, such as cryogenically preserved bodies or disembodied brains. Existing residential areas will be needed for conventional human living, so spaces such as Central Park might be drafted into unforeseen service. The archival cockroach will be a robust repository, able to survive almost all conceivable scenarios.

b) The requirement that the time capsule survive rising oceans and other ecological catastrophes presents a dilemma. Suppose a conventional capsule was placed on high, sacred ground, such as the grounds of the cloisters. As the seas rise, that ground will become ever more needed for habitation and vital services; it will lose its sacred status in precisely those scenarios in which that status would be most needed. The archival cockroach occupies the whole of the island and is immune to changing ideologies of land and resource use.

c) The desire was expressed to have multiple copies of the time capsule, including perhaps one in the basement of the New York Times. The archival cockroach easily meets this requirement.

d) The archival cockroach exceeds the materials specifications: it is water tight, impervious to changes in weather, easy to locate, impossible to destroy. The data will last for well beyond the initial millennium specified.

e) Because the archival cockroach will exist in so many copies, it will be easy to read the data without altering or destroying the archive. This is the most attractive aspect of the archival cockroach. No future historical revisionist will be able to locate and destroy each copy.

Potential problems and solutions to them:

a) Will there be ethical or public safety objections? The DNA in which the archival data will be placed is nonfunctional. The cockroaches will not have an altered biological function. They will also not be harmed or distressed in any way.

b) Will genetic drift erase the data? In order to combat this problem, seven copies of each article will be placed in introns. This number has been calculated to assure that data will be recoverable even after the most severe genetic drift that might occur within the specified period of 1000 years.

c) Any single genotype, such as the archival genotype, would be vulnerable to changes in the environment. This is why biodiversity is important in wild populations. The initial population of archival roaches will be generated from a wide ranging sample of roaches in residence in New York City (Periplaneta americana). In this way, pre-archival biodiversity will to some degree be represented in the archival population.

d) If other cities choose to adopt copycat archival strategies, there is a danger that roaches imbedded with an archive of, say, the Washington Post, would interbreed with carriers of the New York Times archive. In that case the roaches of Philadelphia would eventually contain a mixed text record. This is not as great a difficulty as it might seem. As significant sequence similarity is required for recombination to occur, genetic crossover between Washington Post and New York Times articles is extremely unlikely. Indeed, if crossover were to occur, an earlier of instance of plagiarism or reprinting would be implicated. At any rate, as long as each article is stored with its proper reference data, it will be possible for future historians to reconstruct both archives from a sample of roaches.

e) How will historians know that the material is present? The beginning of each archival segment will be comprised of a digital sequence that serves as the "masthead". This sequence will spell out "New York Times Magazine Time Capsule, 2000AD". A "Rosetta Stone" graphic will be widely reproduced. It will contain the masthead base pair sequence represented graphically, along with the letters the base pairs represent, pictures of the mouth positions associated with each letter, and pictorial representations of the cockroach. This graphic will be published in the magazine, of course, but will also be chiseled into all future city monuments. It will also be etched in industrial artificial diamond disks the size of CDs. One thousand of these disks will be hidden in locations in Manhattan.


The team:

Lead designer Jaron Lanier is joined by Dr. David Sulzer, Professor of Neurology and Psychiatry, Columbia University. Dr. Sulzer will supervise the design, sequencing, and ligation of the archive. Lisa Haney, technical illustrator, is responsible for presentation graphics as well as the design of the Diamond Disk Rosetta Stone.

Budget:

This project could be completed for the given budget of $75,000 at some point in the very near future, as the costs of biotechnology services come down. In order to complete it before the year 2000, it will be necessary to accept a significantly higher budget and make use of available tools and services.

Operon Technologies’ published charge for creating DNA sequences is 60 cents per base pair, but we are confident we will be able to negotiate a substantial price break due to the quantity we require.

Since four base pairs are required to contain the information of one byte, and one byte is used to represent each letter in the common ASCII format, sequencing will cost $2.40 per letter, unless we negotiate a discount.

A selective archive should fit comfortably in a 1000 page book. Assuming a rate of approximately $1 per letter after negotiations, a page of text will be sequenced for approximately $1000. The archive can therefore be created using existing commercial services for under $1,000,000. It need only be sequenced once, even though it will be inserted seven times into the cockroach genome in order to achieve redundancy.

The cockroach genome must be mapped. This might sound daunting, but it must be remembered that the cost of genome mapping is falling rapidly. The cockroach genome is presumed to be similar in size to that of the grasshopper; around 10,000 million base pairs, or about three times the size of the human genome. There are probably about 15,000 cockroach genes with roughly 5 introns per gene. The cockroach easily has over a billion base pairs in its introns, which will have a capacity to represent over 250 million letters. That is far in excess of what is needed for the archive, even with the requirement of redundancy.

Plasmids, enzimes, vectors, and microinjection paraphernalia will be needed- totaling approximately $126,500. Housing and care for the cockroaches and their eggs will be first rate, but will still only cost only a few thousand dollars. Even though DNA has not been introduced into cockroaches before, the technique is already established for Drosophila flies and some mosquitoes. A research staff will be established in Manhattan in order to adopt these techniques to cockroaches. While the initial DNA microinjections will be expensive, costs will fall once the techniques are better understood. Total budget for staff and physical plant should come in at approximately $1,132,000 up until the time of the release of the archive into the environment.

The Diamond Disk Rosetta Stones will cost approximately $193 per disk. This technology is also becoming less expensive at a rapid rate, so it would make sense to wait a few years to fabricate and place the disks.

It must be re-emphasized that, while at today’s prices this proposal must be considered as a "conceptual" entry, prices are falling so rapidly that the given budget constraint can be met in the very near future. It would be entirely reasonable to select and capture the cockroaches at the present time, display them to the public for a few years, and then insert the archive into their eggs once prices have come down to the specified level.

Illustration:

The Archival Cockroach is shown in top and side views. Inserts picture the encoding of text taken from the May 2, 1999 edition of the New York Times Magazine.

Vera
02-14-2003, 09:24 PM
Originally posted by Lee
May be that's not Gore but he is not considered as very bright too!

Well, I dislike Gore very much. But I must say, he's a good comedian materials. We saw the night he hosted Saturday Night Live, he's surprisingly comical, even though the materials made fun of him. Maybe he got great training in the years he's in the White House.

RogiFan
02-14-2003, 09:24 PM
Originally posted by TennisHack
Dan Quayle, the second-most idiotic man to hold office :D


I wonder who's 1st??? Speaking of W... I try not to look at him when he speaks... he doesn't give you any confidence! What w happen if he were left to his own devices... shudder!!

Gotta run!

Bye guys... I'll come back later to check on your discussions! ;)

TennisHack
02-14-2003, 09:24 PM
Dan Quayle-isms:

http://www.xmission.com/~mwalker/DQ/quayle/qq/quayle.quotes.html

TennisHack
02-14-2003, 09:26 PM
I'm on my way as well, so see you guys later!! I'll have the Rogi article up tonight, too, hopefully!

:wavey:

ILR
02-14-2003, 09:28 PM
bye RF :wavey:

I dont totally understand what you guys are talking about :o might just leave you here for a while to discuss things without me getting in the way :o I feel stupid!I mean I understand about the war on Iraq maybe and the weapon inspectors and stuff but not too much into it.;)

ILR
02-14-2003, 09:29 PM
oh and bye Hackie!:wavey:

Vera
02-14-2003, 09:30 PM
Thanks for the roaches article Hackie! Now if ppl ask me why I'm afraid of that creature, I can tell them that bcos they are hard to get rid of.

And thx for the Quayle link, I'm gonna enjoy the laugh, I'm sure.

Bye Hackie and RF, and whoever's leaving. :wavey:

Sjengster
02-14-2003, 09:31 PM
What, you mean you don't regularly engage in lunchtime discussions with your fellow colleagues about the intricacies of cockroach genetics and the imbecility culture sweeping America's political ranks? Shame on you, Emma!

Vera
02-14-2003, 09:31 PM
Originally posted by IluvRogi
bye RF :wavey:

I dont totally understand what you guys are talking about :o might just leave you here for a while to discuss things without me getting in the way :o I feel stupid!I mean I understand about the war on Iraq maybe and the weapon inspectors and stuff but not too much into it.;)

Oh Emma, don't mind us. Just random ranting and the world is hard to understand these days, anyway.

So how's the prom of yours, re-instated yet?

Vera
02-14-2003, 09:34 PM
Originally posted by Sjengster
What, you mean you don't regularly engage in lunchtime discussions with your fellow colleagues about the intricacies of cockroach genetics and the imbecility culture sweeping America's political ranks? Shame on you, Emma!

lol. Btw, these are great topics for Valentine's Day discussion.

ILR
02-14-2003, 09:35 PM
Originally posted by Sjengster
What, you mean you don't regularly engage in lunchtime discussions with your fellow colleagues about the intricacies of cockroach genetics and the imbecility culture sweeping America's political ranks? Shame on you, Emma!

uhhhh basically!:p:o Vera,of course I dont mind!Its a very important matter which is something I dont know very much about in detail,certainly not enough to discuss anyway.And as for Prom well we have half a term to change things :D and Im off school for a week and a day :D

Lee
02-14-2003, 09:36 PM
Bye TH and RF! :wavey:

That time capsule material is very interesting.

Vera
02-14-2003, 09:41 PM
BTW, about the fact that ppl here are worried about the terrorism. In a way, I think it's not a bad thing. To put things into perspective, I mean, for decades, ppl think how invincible they are and they don't care about war in other parts of the world and think about the consequences and things, bcos foreign affairs don't have direct effects on them (with lots of economic effects which are more subtle then an attack). Now the mindset is changing and I think it's about time ppl here worry the same thing the other parts of the world worries about. Well, I won't say it's a good thing. Of course I want to live in a secure environment, but now, I hope this actually makes ppl anywhere to be more sensible about what's happen out there.

Lee
02-14-2003, 09:52 PM
Originally posted by Vera
BTW, about the fact that ppl here are worried about the terrorism. In a way, I think it's not a bad thing. To put things into perspective, I mean, for decades, ppl think how invincible they are and they don't care about war in other parts of the world and think about the consequences and things, bcos foreign affairs don't have direct effects on them (with lots of economic effects which are more subtle then an attack). Now the mindset is changing and I think it's about time ppl here worry the same thing the other parts of the world worries about. Well, I won't say it's a good thing. Of course I want to live in a secure environment, but now, I hope this actually makes ppl anywhere to be more sensible about what's happen out there.

Unfortunately, I think instead of making ppl here more sensible about what's happen out there, this propaganda (sp?) make ppl here hate and suspicious of ppl with Arabian heritage. May be I'm pessimisstic or because I live in an area with lots of retired military people (uh, senior military people), I really don't know. I only know I was very disturbed when Vince start drawing pix with US war planes dropping bombs and tankers on the ground. I asked him why he started drawing bombs (he loved drawing planes, cars, ships, etc but never bombs) and he said this will help bad people turn good. I don't know how something like this get to his mind. I already keep telling him (even he's only 7 years old) that war/violence is never a solution to problems.

Vera
02-14-2003, 10:01 PM
Originally posted by Lee
Unfortunately, I think instead of making ppl here more sensible about what's happen out there, this propaganda (sp?) make ppl here hate and suspicious of ppl with Arabian heritage. May be I'm pessimisstic or because I live in an area with lots of retired military people (uh, senior military people), I really don't know. I only know I was very disturbed when Vince start drawing pix with US war planes dropping bombs and tankers on the ground. I asked him why he started drawing bombs (he loved drawing planes, cars, ships, etc but never bombs) and he said this will help bad people turn good. I don't know how something like this get to his mind. I already keep telling him (even he's only 7 years old) that war/violence is never a solution to problems.

*sign*. I guess I'm too idealistic, not realistic enough. I know what you mean. It takes more than that to turn a nation's mentality. This is actually why US shouldn't go to war with the Arabic countries. It's like proving the Arab's right about what they preceived the West as the bullies.

Last year, I watched Black Hawk Down and I was sad. Very sad. The heroism stuff the Americans created. And what about those 2000 plus innocent civilians they killed during that event when they praised how brave the soldiers were to rescue their troop. I mean, those somalians were like mad ppl running around poking at the soldiers. But imagine what they were thinking, why are the soldiers came to their town and killed ppl? Arent' they supposed to come to help? The movie made it looks like those lives are worthless :sad:. Gosh, I don't even what to think about it without getting myself all upset.

Lee
02-14-2003, 10:03 PM
I think I have enough war talk today. Should start talking about weather. :D :D

The storm that hit California coast days before hit Arizona yesterday. In some area, the amount of rain fell the last 2 days were higher than the annual amount of rain (which is about 2"). This still won't help with the drought in Arizona since the ground is too saturated with water already, most of the rainfall ended up running off instead of retained by the ground. Anyway, the water supply in Arizona depends on the snow pack up in the mountains more than rainfall and although there are snow in higher grounds, there is not enough.

There are lots of flooding in Phoenix area. The most stupid person was a woman, who was drunk according to police, that ran her car (a Geo) into a wash where an SUV already staled. It's luck she was recued from her car before it was swept aside by water.

Vera
02-14-2003, 10:07 PM
Originally posted by Lee
I think I have enough war talk today. Should start talking about weather. :D :D

The storm that hit California coast days before hit Arizona yesterday. In some area, the amount of rain fell the last 2 days were higher than the annual amount of rain (which is about 2"). This still won't help with the drought in Arizona since the ground is too saturated with water already, most of the rainfall ended up running off instead of retained by the ground. Anyway, the water supply in Arizona depends on the snow pack up in the mountains more than rainfall and although there are snow in higher grounds, there is not enough.

There are lots of flooding in Phoenix area. The most stupid person was a woman, who was drunk according to police, that ran her car (a Geo) into a wash where an SUV already staled. It's luck she was recued from her car before it was swept aside by water.

Agreed. But your weather is a little too, errrr, not cheerful. Anything fun happening? Tennis as escaptism :D.

Lee
02-14-2003, 10:09 PM
Originally posted by Vera
*sign*. I guess I'm too idealistic, not realistic enough. I know what you mean. It takes more than that to turn a nation's mentality. This is actually why US shouldn't go to war with the Arabic countries. It's like proving the Arab's right about what they preceived the West as the bullies.

Last year, I watched Black Hawk Down and I was sad. Very sad. The heroism stuff the Americans created. And what about those 2000 plus innocent civilians they killed during that event when they praised how brave the soldiers were to rescue their troop. I mean, those somalians were like mad ppl running around poking at the soldiers. But imagine what they were thinking, why are the soldiers came to their town and killed ppl? Arent' they supposed to come to help? The movie made it looks like those lives are worthless :sad:. Gosh, I don't even what to think about it without getting myself all upset.

The movie make it looks like Americans lives are priceless but people from other countries, their life are worthless. But what can you say about Hollywood? I still remembered I was totally pissed off by Armageddon. There was a scene of some big meteorites hit Shanghai, and can you imagine what Shanghai looks like? People in Shanghai still dressed like the early 1900's and there are Junk boats (Chinese sail boat) everywhere in the harbour. Not to talk about research, those people need only to pick up some newspapers about the world (other than local news) and they will know nowadays Shanghai is as modern as any other big cities in the world.

Vera
02-14-2003, 10:11 PM
I should stop posting anyway, arms getting sore :o.

So bye for now, Lee and Emma :wavey: and Sjenster if still here.

:wavey:

ILR
02-14-2003, 10:11 PM
ok I can join in now :o;) weather -6 tonight apparently!I knew it was cold but not that cold.There was frost about aswell and very very cold indeed.

Lee
02-14-2003, 10:12 PM
Originally posted by Vera
Agreed. But your weather is a little too, errrr, not cheerful. Anything fun happening? Tennis as escaptism :D.

Errrr, but since we live in a desert, raining is something to cheer for here :D :D

ILR
02-14-2003, 10:13 PM
awww :( bye Vera :wavey: give your arm some time to recover :)

Lee
02-14-2003, 10:13 PM
Oh, Vera! Bye and take care! :wavey: :kiss:

Lee
02-14-2003, 10:16 PM
Originally posted by IluvRogi
ok I can join in now :o;) weather -6 tonight apparently!I knew it was cold but not that cold.There was frost about aswell and very very cold indeed.

When I lived in Calgary, -6 is very nice weather. :D :D

Vera
02-14-2003, 10:16 PM
Originally posted by Lee
The movie make it looks like Americans lives are priceless but people from other countries, their life are worthless. But what can you say about Hollywood? I still remembered I was totally pissed off by Armageddon. There was a scene of some big meteorites hit Shanghai, and can you imagine what Shanghai looks like? People in Shanghai still dressed like the early 1900's and there are Junk boats (Chinese sail boat) everywhere in the harbour. Not to talk about research, those people need only to pick up some newspapers about the world (other than local news) and they will know nowadays Shanghai is as modern as any other big cities in the world.

No, it's not that the filmmakes don't know what China looks like, is that they thought the public are idiots and that's the perception of the the public of what China looks like. That's what bothers me. But Armageddon is a joke, really, its trash and no one will treat it as anything more than trash anyway, well, I hope.

Now, really going. Bye.

ILR
02-14-2003, 10:22 PM
lol Lee,yes but to me thats very cold!:p sounds so strange to me that -6 would be considered nice!

Lee
02-14-2003, 10:27 PM
Originally posted by IluvRogi
lol Lee,yes but to me thats very cold!:p sounds so strange to me that -6 would be considered nice!

When Vincent was born, the whole week's high is around -25 and dropped below -30 at night. :rolleyes: The day we left hospital to go home, I had to put Vince in a fleecy suit, covered from head to toe, put him in a baby car-seat which was stuffed and put another blanket on top. This was just for moving him from the door of the hospital to the car in front. :D :D

ILR
02-14-2003, 10:30 PM
:eek: i cant imagine living somewhere that cold but then again when you have lived somewhere all your life then or for a long time it just feels natural

Lee
02-14-2003, 10:34 PM
And compare to North or South Pole, Calgary is not that cold. It's relatively speaking, IMO, what is cold or not. Don't you think it's fun that if you stick your tongue out on a metal railing, it will stuck? :D :D

ILR
02-14-2003, 10:35 PM
:eek: um well to be honest,not my idea of fun!:p thats just reminded me off that film dumb and dumber :p lol!

Sjengster
02-14-2003, 10:36 PM
I'm back - been away to clarify this whole Federer/Sluiter confusion about who actually won and found it was actually Roger! So I'm pretty happy.

As regards the weather, I think that Britain and Canada have different standards as far as extreme temperatures go. The UK climate is generally so mild that when anything particularly unusual happens (as it has in the past couple of years, probably due to global warming) everyone treats it as a huge natural disaster; flooding is treated like a tsunami, sleet and fog like a crippling Antarctic blizzard. And as for the way a little snow managed to grind our entire transport system to a halt for several days, well really...

I walk regularly to my college and recently the weather has been what I would describe as absolutely freezing, numbing cold, but it's probably peanuts compared to other places. In Verkhoyansk, Siberia, I gather the winter temperature regularly falls as low as -48, and the locals seem to handle it all right.

ILR
02-14-2003, 10:41 PM
I know I just read your post Sjengster!!:D he won!Trust those people to get the scores mixed up and get us all sad!:mad: att least we know the real result!:bounce:

and exactly the weather we get is what we think is really cold because I didnt even know my nose was bleeding,it was so numb anyway!

Lee
02-14-2003, 10:43 PM
UK is an island surround by sea so the climate will not be in such extreme as in most of Canada.

Like I live in Phoenix now which is a desert and when it rains, cars get into accident because the drivers not used to drive with water on the road. When the first snow fall in Calgary, trust me, you don't want to get your car out because people forget how to drive in snow and this happen year after year.

ILR
02-14-2003, 10:46 PM
well thats the whole point like in the UK motorways were jammed for hours because of a little snow.People who see snow every day nearly must have been laughing so hard at us!

Sjengster
02-14-2003, 10:52 PM
I think Bill Bryson pointed out in that book of his Notes from a Small Island how the British have their own particular and peculiar sense of scale about everything, so that something that seems a big deal in this country may be inconsequential and everyday to people in the rest of the world.

For instance, talking about distances between places and the journeys needed to get there, he described how people thought of a car trip from London to Cornwall as a big, major operation while saying that in fact it was "the distance that most Americans would drive to get a taco", lol.

ILR
02-14-2003, 10:55 PM
mmmm the smallest things sem to stop us,or the slightest change.I tell you what is a long trip!My town to London!:p

Lee
02-14-2003, 10:56 PM
So how far away is Cornwall from London?

Sjengster
02-14-2003, 11:02 PM
It's something like 250-300 miles, so it's not exactly a short hop by any means (methinks Bryson is exaggerating it just a little for humorous effect). Still, people do go into remarkable detail about the various routes that someone will need to take to get somewhere; maybe that's because there's a more complicated geography to Britain, and there are no straight highways and flat, open spaces as in North America.

Lee
02-14-2003, 11:08 PM
Those highways in North America are monsters :D but we are so used to it. Even in a city, there are all those freeways to get people around and I have to admit they are great. But it's also these freeways that make North Americans so obsess with cars. It's so easy to get around in cars, why take public transportation.

ILR
02-14-2003, 11:13 PM
anyway tis late for me because I have a football match tomorrow and should have been in ned earlier!So night everyone :wavey:

Lee
02-14-2003, 11:14 PM
OK I have to agree Bryson exaggerate a little bit. 250-300 miles are quite a distance. It's about 3 1/2 to 4 1/2 hours drive here if you follow the speed limit.

TennisHack
02-14-2003, 11:14 PM
:wavey: again, all!

:eek: I see you've been chatting up a storm!

TennisHack
02-14-2003, 11:16 PM
Originally posted by IluvRogi
I dont totally understand what you guys are talking about :o might just leave you here for a while to discuss things without me getting in the way :o I feel stupid!I mean I understand about the war on Iraq maybe and the weapon inspectors and stuff but not too much into it.;)

I don't like talking about it because most of the time discussions get downright snippy and hostile.

LOL at Sjengster's answer to this, tho :D

Lee
02-14-2003, 11:17 PM
Originally posted by IluvRogi
anyway tis late for me because I have a football match tomorrow and should have been in ned earlier!So night everyone :wavey:

Goodnite Emma! I have to go too! Instead of having a romantic dinner with my hubby tonight, we will eat with a whole bunch of co-workers he had from Calgary. :rolleyes:

If I remember correctly, it will be Liverpool playing tomorrow, right?

:bounce: GO LIVERPOOL GO :bounce:

Sjengster
02-14-2003, 11:18 PM
Goodnight Emma - I hope ned doesn't mind you getting in there now...

Interesting that you mention Americans being obsessed with cars, Lee, as that's another thing Bryson noted with some sadness when he went back to the U.S. a few years ago. He said he saw someone park their car beside a convenience store, get something and then drive 16 feet to a store right next door to get something else. Apparently something like 0.8% of the annual budget for roads and highways is spent on improving pedestrian facilities.

It's getting a little like that in the UK, with the Government proposing to widen major roads to alleviate congestion instead of trying to get more people onto public transport. Mind you, if you'd seen the state of most of our transport systems, you'd know why there are so many motorists these days...

Lee
02-14-2003, 11:19 PM
Hi and Bye TH! :wavey:

I think Diss's team is playing tomorrow too!

:bounce: GO INTERNATION?? GO :bounce:

damn i never manage to remember his team's name

TennisHack
02-14-2003, 11:23 PM
Originally posted by Sjengster
I walk regularly to my college and recently the weather has been what I would describe as absolutely freezing, numbing cold, but it's probably peanuts compared to other places. In Verkhoyansk, Siberia, I gather the winter temperature regularly falls as low as -48, and the locals seem to handle it all right.

Just wanted to interject with my trivial point of the day: it's now my contention that humans were never supposed to live in Siberia. It's above the Arctic circle, for Chrissakes! And I know at least last winter there were big problems getting enough heating coal out to the far reaches of Siberia and Russia, so I wonder how much longer people will survive in that frigid tundra . . .

Chloe le Bopper
02-14-2003, 11:24 PM
Good day everybody - I see that I have some catching up to do before I can have the faintest idea what you are all talking about ;)

Chloe le Bopper
02-14-2003, 11:26 PM
Just wanted to interject with my trivial point of the day: it's now my contention that humans were never supposed to live in Siberia. It's above the Arctic circle, for Chrissakes! And I know at least last winter there were big problems getting enough heating coal out to the far reaches of Siberia and Russia, so I wonder how much longer people will survive in that frigid tundra . . .

While I would never ever move up there, as I can't bear the cold, I wouldnt' say they aren't supposed to live up there. People have occupied places above the artic circle for ages, and they still seem to be doing alright ;)

I'm not sure how much of Canada's population sits above the article circle, and surely it cant' be too much what with the 1928312 islands that are scattered around up there. But surely there are a few doing alright

TennisHack
02-14-2003, 11:27 PM
Originally posted by Lee
It's so easy to get around in cars, why take public transportation.

I must say, the US mass transit system is shit, especially when compared to other countries. It's the way our country is laid out -- everything is far away. My hometown, for instance, you couldn't get around by walking, and there was no bus system or anything like that.

A few big cities (New York, DC, San Fransisco) have metros but for most even moderately sized cities it's a foreign concept. The public transportation systems that exist in cities isn't large enough to handle a lot of people trying to use it at once.

It's a sad state of affairs, that our country has been built around the car, and too bad that we can't change it now. But when public transportation is seriously lacking, sometimes you have no choice.

Yes, I like to drive . . . .

Chloe le Bopper
02-14-2003, 11:29 PM
Cars! Now here is a conversation that I know nothing about.

I rebel against cars! I refuse to get my drivers liscence on the principles that I don't like driving, I won't be able to afford to drive my own car untill I'm about 35, and I rather like Public transport.

Of course this limits where I can live now, and in the future, to either big cities or suburbs near larger cities. Seeing as I've done that my whole life it's not really a cause for concern.

This doesn't stop my peers from gasping at me when they find out that I don't have a liscence and have no intent to get on either :)

TennisHack
02-14-2003, 11:29 PM
Originally posted by Rebecca
While I would never ever move up there, as I can't bear the cold, I wouldnt' say they aren't supposed to live up there. People have occupied places above the artic circle for ages, and they still seem to be doing alright ;)

If by "doing all right" you mean "barely surviving", I concede your point.

But considering also that Siberia used to be a prison colony . . . I'd say its some pretty harsh living.

Goodnight to everyone that's leaving :wavey:

Sjengster
02-14-2003, 11:30 PM
Well, to clarify a point here, only a very tiny proportion of Siberia lies within the Arctic circle, just like only the northernmost fringes of Canada and its islands are in the Arctic circle too. I know for a fact that Verkhoyansk is well below it, so it's not really how far north Siberia is that causes its atrocious weather.

In fact, I understand that it's because the area is surrounded by mountains that trap all the cold weather, blizzards and snowstorms inside the giant valley that is Siberia, allowing them to circulate around this area continuously but never reaching westwards past the Urals to threaten European Russia.

All I can say is, the people have done well enough there for thousands of years so I think they can find a way to keep on surviving - apparently, Siberians think of themselves as a totally different country from Russia and regard most Russians as soft city-dwellers who couldn't stand up to the conditions there.

TennisHack
02-14-2003, 11:32 PM
Originally posted by Sjengster
Interesting that you mention Americans being obsessed with cars, Lee, as that's another thing Bryson noted with some sadness when he went back to the U.S. a few years ago. He said he saw someone park their car beside a convenience store, get something and then drive 16 feet to a store right next door to get something else. Apparently something like 0.8% of the annual budget for roads and highways is spent on improving pedestrian facilities.

I must say that I've never seen anybody do that, and I've lived in several areas of the country. Methinks he's exaggerating just a teensy bit ;)

But indeed, enormous amounts of the federal budget are spent on things like roads and highways. Cities were built to accomodate the car, not the pedestrian. While I don't necessarily agree with it, that's the way it is so I can see why they don't spend a whole heck of a lot of money on pedestrian improvements.

Besides, pedestrians can be just as stupid as motorists (and don't even get me started on the motorists-bicyclists debate!).

TennisHack
02-14-2003, 11:34 PM
Originally posted by Rebecca
Cars! Now here is a conversation that I know nothing about.

I rebel against cars! I refuse to get my drivers liscence on the principles that I don't like driving, I won't be able to afford to drive my own car untill I'm about 35, and I rather like Public transport.

Of course this limits where I can live now, and in the future, to either big cities or suburbs near larger cities. Seeing as I've done that my whole life it's not really a cause for concern.

This doesn't stop my peers from gasping at me when they find out that I don't have a liscence and have no intent to get on either :)

Well, I was a bit shocked when I came to college and met so many people that didn't drive for whatever reasons. It's all a matter of region, I think. Driving was a crucial and necessary skill in my hometown, so of course everyone I know from home knows how to drive (and usually, well).

And yes, I know several people who don't like to drive/can't drive. I don't understand why -- had a bad experience behind the wheel? Graduated licensing programs?

Chloe le Bopper
02-14-2003, 11:35 PM
I must say, the US mass transit system is shit, especially when compared to other countries. It's the way our country is laid out -- everything is far away. My hometown, for instance, you couldn't get around by walking, and there was no bus system or anything like that.

No bus system? Wow. That's awful.. My home town has about 75 000 people, but it's grown. Back in the day we were just 50 000 and even then we had a bus system. It's only draw back was that they stopped running after 6 pm and didn't run at all on Sundays. But it was better than nothing.

The city I'm in now has about 125 000 and public transport is great. It doesn't hurt that we are near Toronto and the Go Train comes here as well. I suppose if I had grown up in a less urban area of Canada I would feel differently.


A few big cities (New York, DC, San Fransisco) have metros but for most even moderately sized cities it's a foreign concept. The public transportation systems that exist in cities isn't large enough to handle a lot of people trying to use it at once.

New York had a great metro system. Although it was the most dirty that I've ever seen. Compared to Toronto and Montreal, the only other two subway systems that I've been on.

But it runs 24 hours a day, you never have to wait more than a few minutes for a train. It's great :) Not all that expensive either!

TennisHack
02-14-2003, 11:38 PM
Originally posted by Sjengster
Well, to clarify a point here, only a very tiny proportion of Siberia lies within the Arctic circle, just like only the northernmost fringes of Canada and its islands are in the Arctic circle too. I know for a fact that Verkhoyansk is well below it, so it's not really how far north Siberia is that causes its atrocious weather.

In fact, I understand that it's because the area is surrounded by mountains that trap all the cold weather, blizzards and snowstorms inside the giant valley that is Siberia, allowing them to circulate around this area continuously but never reaching westwards past the Urals to threaten European Russia.

All I can say is, the people have done well enough there for thousands of years so I think they can find a way to keep on surviving - apparently, Siberians think of themselves as a totally different country from Russia and regard most Russians as soft city-dwellers who couldn't stand up to the conditions there.

Whoa whoa whoa, now, no need to get snippy about it.

Indeed you are correct re: weather conditions, and indeed, people have been surviving there for thousands of years. That doesn't change my opinion that people were MEANT to live in such conditions. Russia as a whole has a very unique and interesting history, one that you can't help but be a bit sympathetic about. After my Russian history class I'm not entirely convinced Russians aren't around just by their stubborness alone ;)

As for Siberians resenting Russians . . . who can blame them? It was a vast plain all to itself until it was conquered along with Russia and just kinda roped in with them. Plus it was a prison colony during imperial and communist years.

But Russia in and of itself doesn't have bad weather. St. Petersburg was built on a marsh and Moscow is further south, I believe (damn me and my map skills). I've heard it can get pretty damn hot in the summer there, and the winters are rather like North American winters.

Chloe le Bopper
02-14-2003, 11:41 PM
And yes, I know several people who don't like to drive/can't drive. I don't understand why -- had a bad experience behind the wheel? Graduated licensing programs?

Well I never really had any bad experiences behind the wheel. The worst would have been during driving school when my instructor decided to yell at me to change lanes, when the other lane was backed up more than a block and this was virtually impossible. Yet she kept pressuring me, and finally I pulled over to the curb and freaked out. Why pressure somebody to do the impossible? That and it was totally unnecessary to change lanes at that point. In fact, it would have been flat out stupid.

But that really isn't what did it. I just didn't like driving. I didn't like all that control I think. That, and I'm a textbook case to develop road rage. I'm bad enough as a passenger mocking out idiots who drive, I can't imagine what I would do if I was behind the wheel.

It also makes me shudder to think that just about anybody can get their drivers liscence. Total morons who can't tell left from right, people who spend all day shooting various fluids in to their viens, pedophiles, murders, rapists - all these people have drivers liscences!

As you can see by my rant, driving just wouldnt' be good for my health.

TennisHack
02-14-2003, 11:43 PM
Originally posted by Rebecca
No bus system? Wow. That's awful.. My home town has about 75 000 people, but it's grown. Back in the day we were just 50 000 and even then we had a bus system. It's only draw back was that they stopped running after 6 pm and didn't run at all on Sundays. But it was better than nothing.

The city I'm in now has about 125 000 and public transport is great. It doesn't hurt that we are near Toronto and the Go Train comes here as well. I suppose if I had grown up in a less urban area of Canada I would feel differently.

My hometown had 10,000 people, but even neighboring larger (moderately big) cities had no metro system and a very shitty bus system.


New York had a great metro system. Although it was the most dirty that I've ever seen. Compared to Toronto and Montreal, the only other two subway systems that I've been on.

But it runs 24 hours a day, you never have to wait more than a few minutes for a train. It's great :) Not all that expensive either!

I wish we still used trains as we did in the past, before we became dependent on the automobile. We do have some light track systems, but mostly they get a bad rap (Amtrack anyone?). But I've heard its the most effective way to get around the East Coast.

I think the Europass thing in Europe is a wonderful idea. I don't know much about it, but it sounds like an easy and effective way to get around the continent. And Russia has a great metro/train system, though I've heard the trek from Vladivostok to Moscow (48 hour overnighter) is pretty rough. But the Russian metro stations are GORGEOUS!!

Sjengster
02-14-2003, 11:47 PM
Hackie, Hackie, don't worry, I wasn't getting worked up about it, just stating an opinion. It does sometimes seem amazing how on earth the Russians have managed to survive in such a vast and inhospitable country, but then they're very good at clinging on in desperate situations and keeping opposing forces at bay - just look at WWII and how they fought the Germans to a standstill almost single-handedly for nearly 3 years.

TennisHack
02-14-2003, 11:48 PM
Originally posted by Rebecca
Well I never really had any bad experiences behind the wheel. The worst would have been during driving school when my instructor decided to yell at me to change lanes, when the other lane was backed up more than a block and this was virtually impossible. Yet she kept pressuring me, and finally I pulled over to the curb and freaked out. Why pressure somebody to do the impossible? That and it was totally unnecessary to change lanes at that point. In fact, it would have been flat out stupid.

Yep, sounds like a bad experience ;) Most of the people I know who don't drive tell similar stories. Which just blows my mind. I guess because driving was such an important skill, everyone took it seriously. NO ONE who tried to "teach" like that would have passed muster. :eek::eek:

It also makes me shudder to think that just about anybody can get their drivers liscence. Total morons who can't tell left from right, people who spend all day shooting various fluids in to their viens, pedophiles, murders, rapists - all these people have drivers liscences!

Hmmm, wow. Well, not just anybody can get a license -- you have to pass a written and road test, and I know numerous people who have failed both. That would rule out "Total morons who can't tell left from right, people who spend all day shooting various fluids in to their viens", at least. And the others -- well, driving has nothing to do with those disorders . . . We're not all bad! ;)

Chloe le Bopper
02-14-2003, 11:52 PM
Well, not just anybody can get a license -- you have to pass a written and road test, and I know numerous people who have failed both. That would rule out "Total morons who can't tell left from right, people who spend all day shooting various fluids in to their viens", at least.

Oh I don't know.. I know some pretty slow people who drive. The kind of people that make me wonder how they get their key in the ignition.

As for the heroine addict suggestion - well that was me rambling. But I know a number of people who are hooked on certain chemicals who drive, so it wasn't that far of a stretch.

TennisHack
02-14-2003, 11:52 PM
Originally posted by Sjengster
Hackie, Hackie, don't worry, I wasn't getting worked up about it, just stating an opinion. It does sometimes seem amazing how on earth the Russians have managed to survive in such a vast and inhospitable country, but then they're very good at clinging on in desperate situations and keeping opposing forces at bay - just look at WWII and how they fought the Germans to a standstill almost single-handedly for nearly 3 years.

Ah, but that's sometimes where their weather can be quite helpful to them ;) It was the only country Napolean couldn't conquer because he got stuck in the mud (literally).

Perhaps a most unpopular opinion, but I think communism had good effects on the country, sociologically (is that a word? from sociology? :o). Not the best system, but it finally united the whole country. Stalin, weird wonder that he was, utilized that Russian stubborness and took a gamble to look after only the western front. It's kinda funny, really; two totally sociopathic paranoid rulers trying to outguess each other.

Hmm, I seem to have drifted from my point . . .

TennisHack
02-14-2003, 11:55 PM
Originally posted by Rebecca
Oh I don't know.. I know some pretty slow people who drive. The kind of people that make me wonder how they get their key in the ignition.

A point of contention here in the US, I concede: should people be retested every couple of years? It used to be that when you moved between states you had to retake the road test to get a drivers license from that state.

And I should have preceded my own ramblings with "in the US, at least." Didn't mean to generalize :o

Chloe le Bopper
02-14-2003, 11:58 PM
I agree that people should be retested, but it's likely too costly to set up a system like that. At least in Canada it would be.

In Ontario we retest our seniors. After they turn 65 they have to do a driving test each year.

I think it's only fair that we retest everybody like that - damn agism!

TennisHack
02-15-2003, 12:27 AM
Pictures from the ladies! :)

http://www.wtatour.com/assets/story_image/ClijstersBEL_Award021303.jpg
(Proximus Diamond Games - Antwerp)
For the fourth time, Kim Clijsters won the Belgian Sportswoman of the Year Award, given by the Belgian Sports Journalists Associaton (Photo: Reporters-Philippe Buissin)

TennisHack
02-15-2003, 12:29 AM
The tournament gave out flowers :) How sweet :)

http://www.wtatour.com/assets/story_image/HantuFlowers021403.jpg


http://www.wtatour.com/assets/story_image/ClijstersFlowersTV021403.jpg



My plan to give baby Toblerones didn't work out :sad: but I did give my friends Swiss chocolates for Valentines Day! :) I'm trying to convert them because Swiss chocolate really *is* the best in the world :lick:

Vera
02-15-2003, 01:16 AM
I love driving myself, I like to drive on the highway and listen to my favorite CD in the car. But I can understand why ppl don't drive. My friend said he doesn't want to own a car bcos for not owning one, he have enough money left every year to go for a trip out of the country and he travels around the world every year. I'm almost tempted to sell mine at one point just I can travel as much too. But I'm not willing to give up the freedom that I felt when I drive.

BTW, lol @ those rich kids bragging about their expensive seats in the coming TMC. Well, if I have a rich daddy who buys me an all expense pay trip to Houston, maybe I'll brag about it too :p. In fact, I was seriously thinking about going. Since I have lots of friends there that I want to visit and I can probably save the accommodation cost. But looked at those ticket price, I guess not :(. If I have 1K us$ to spend, I suppose I rather buy a ticket to fly over Atlantic and attend a small tourney where I can be up close to my favorite player :hearts:, and in the mean time, enjoy some adventure in European soil... that's something to dream about. :D

RogiFan
02-15-2003, 01:22 AM
:) all this talk about driving!! I've been driving since I was 16! I know lots of people who do not drive because they live in the city and work there too... too expensive to have a car, no parking, expensive parking, nowhere to park! But, yes, if you live in the suburbs, you need a car! The prob is a lot of suburbanites work in the city and DRIVE in and out every day and clog up our streets -- it's almost total gridlock now... reminds me of NYC years ago!

Montreal is a city where there's virtually NO parking lots -- lots of cars, just no parking!! Weird!

People who drive too slowly are just as much a hazard as those who drive too fast -- maybe moreso since they have slow reaction time! Very dangerous -- and they bug me!

RogiFan
02-15-2003, 01:27 AM
Originally posted by Vera
I love driving myself, I like to drive on the highway and listen to my favorite CD in the car. But I can understand why ppl don't drive. My friend said he doesn't want to own a car bcos for not owning one, he have enough money left every year to go for a trip out of the country and he travels around the world every year. I'm almost tempted to sell mine at one point just I can travel as much too. But I'm not willing to give up the freedom that I felt when I drive.

BTW, lol @ those rich kids bragging about their expensive seats in the coming TMC. Well, if I have a rich daddy who buys me an all expense pay trip to Houston, maybe I'll brag about it too :p. In fact, I was seriously thinking about going. Since I have lots of friends there that I want to visit and I can probably save the accommodation cost. But looked at those ticket price, I guess not :(. If I have 1K us$ to spend, I suppose I rather buy a ticket to fly over Atlantic and attend a small tourney where I can be up close to my favorite player :hearts:, and in the mean time, enjoy some adventure in European soil... that's something to dream about. :D

Yeah Vera I also value my freedom -- I don't mind driving, I'm usually the one to drive people everywhere! It w be difficult to live without my car...

What rich kids?? It w cost us a fortune to see a tourney in the US. I w be tempted to go to Indian Wells or Miami or even Washington if it weren't for the lousy exchange AND the heat and humidity -- bad enough in TO last summer!! Miami w be interesting -- I could practise my espanol!

Better to go to a European tourney!! More exciting and fun for sightseeing -- more exotic! You know I still want to go to a grass and a clay tourney one day... how about DC in Valencia or Godo in Barca or Wimby or Queens or s'Hertogenbosch or Halle or Gstaad or Basel [indoor]... or Monte Carlo, even Roma or Hamburg?

A dream...;)

TennisHack
02-15-2003, 02:04 AM
Originally posted by Vera
BTW, lol @ those rich kids bragging about their expensive seats in the coming TMC. Well, if I have a rich daddy who buys me an all expense pay trip to Houston, maybe I'll brag about it too :p. In fact, I was seriously thinking about going. Since I have lots of friends there that I want to visit and I can probably save the accommodation cost. But looked at those ticket price, I guess not :(. If I have 1K us$ to spend, I suppose I rather buy a ticket to fly over Atlantic and attend a small tourney where I can be up close to my favorite player :hearts:, and in the mean time, enjoy some adventure in European soil... that's something to dream about. :D

I, too, love the feeling of freedom I have with driving. It was probably the first time that I felt truly independent, when I could first go out on my own, even if it was just to the store or something :o;)

:rolleyes: at rich kids whining about ticket prices. I, too, would rather go to a relatively small European tournament, because I'd get so much more out of my experience. I have to go to Europe sometime in the foreseeable future or else I'm going to die of wanting! LOL :o My friends are talking about junior year abroad and where they can go during their holidays and such and I was very jealous :(

I have to go to a clay tourney, too. My dream is Roland Garros but I don't know if that will ever happen (though me & Layla & Diss are supposed to be planning for it! ;)). I want to go there more than Wimbledon or the other two Slams anyday. Just something about the magic and romance of Paris . . .:hearts:

LOL, thank goodness V-Day is almost over here, I'm getting too sappy for my own good :o

Vera
02-15-2003, 02:07 AM
RF :wavey:

My friends ride their bike to work, some ride a very long distance from the suburb, it's quite a nice exercise, not to mention environmental friendly.

You're right about the parking space in Montreal. But I love the challenge, especially how everyone manages to parallel park their cars with only a foot space away from the others. I'm pretty good at that myself :). It's crazy how fast the ppl in the east drive. When I was there, my normal speed is about 130-140 in the highway, probably slow to the East standard. Here, we drive a lot slower, it's not very often that ppl drive faster than 120 on highway.

The ideal is to go to a clay tourney where top claycourters attend, like Barca (but in Spain, it would be hard to get close to the Armadas, right?), or maybe Kitzhubel, ahh, there's quite a lot of choices. For TMS, I want to go to Monte Carlos. But for sure I need to attend Roland Garros at least once in this life time. That's my goal.

Vera
02-15-2003, 02:15 AM
Originally posted by TennisHack

:rolleyes: at rich kids whining about ticket prices. I, too, would rather go to a relatively small European tournament, because I'd get so much more out of my experience. I have to go to Europe sometime in the foreseeable future or else I'm going to die of wanting! LOL :o My friends are talking about junior year abroad and where they can go during their holidays and such and I was very jealous :(


Were they whinning? Yeah, what a bummer to just getting that $1000 ticket :p and only able to party at the hotel where the players stay.

I probably sounded like some jealous poor ppl here :D, LOL. Well, I am. Like I said, don't mind to have someone to give me an all-expense paid trip. I'm trying to get that covered by the BC lotto :p.

Don't worry, you'll get your chance, Hackie. Studying aboard is quite an experience and I'm sure you can find a way to work on it.

TennisHack
02-15-2003, 02:22 AM
Originally posted by Vera
Don't worry, you'll get your chance, Hackie. Studying aboard is quite an experience and I'm sure you can find a way to work on it.

For now, it looks like I'll have to wait until graduate school, and then pray. My major is too demanding to allow me to basically take a year off from school :( So I'll just have to wait, and dream, and be jealous when my friends are in Europe next year.

Vera
02-15-2003, 02:30 AM
Hey, it's never too late to travel. I didn't get to go until I've worked several years. But my parents didn't get to go until they retired, so it's not too bad for me. Last year, I went to Asia for 3 months, something I've been wanting to do for a very long while. How ironic, is that I finally got to do what I've been wanting to do for so long bcos I lost my job :rolleyes:. But that's the only way to allow me so much time to really travel. So under the circumstances, I treasure my trip even more.

TennisHack
02-15-2003, 02:50 AM
Yeah, I've heard a lot of people with the same story, not being able to travel until they lost their job :( Most of the time it seemed to do them some good, give them new resolve in the job hunting process.

I haven't lost hope, am just utterly disappointed I can't go now :(

TennisHack
02-15-2003, 02:51 AM
And to cheer this place up, I'll post the very nice, though surprising Jarkko article from February's issue of TENNIS magazine. He's my other Valentine :kiss:

Lee
02-15-2003, 04:51 AM
Originally posted by Vera
BTW, lol @ those rich kids bragging about their expensive seats in the coming TMC. Well, if I have a rich daddy who buys me an all expense pay trip to Houston, maybe I'll brag about it too :p. In fact, I was seriously thinking about going. Since I have lots of friends there that I want to visit and I can probably save the accommodation cost. But looked at those ticket price, I guess not :(. If I have 1K us$ to spend, I suppose I rather buy a ticket to fly over Atlantic and attend a small tourney where I can be up close to my favorite player :hearts:, and in the mean time, enjoy some adventure in European soil... that's something to dream about. :D

I think I already express my opinion on one of those rich kids there. They really make me sick. There is another reason I like Calgary, most of the parents there, even they are rich, they don't spoil their kids with luxuries. Their kids don't drive BMW, Mercedes, sport cars, etc. but very simple and ordinary used cars.

lokon
02-15-2003, 05:02 AM
Originally posted by Lee
I think I already express my opinion on one of those rich kids there. They really make me sick. There is another reason I like Calgary, most of the parents there, even they are rich, they don't spoil their kids with luxuries. Their kids don't drive BMW, Mercedes, sport cars, etc. but very simple and ordinary used cars.

Theres nothing like rubbing it in other people's faces the fact that you and your father are sitting in $1k seats :p

Lee
02-15-2003, 05:07 AM
Originally posted by lokon
Theres nothing like rubbing it in other people's faces the fact that you and your father are sitting in $1k seats :p

It's so sad that they don't even know how shallow they are.

Lee
02-15-2003, 05:09 AM
My friend send me this and I think it's real funny and my friends here have lots of trouble with their computer recently. Although you may not be a religious person, I think you will like it. Also, you can substitute God with whoever you believe in. :D






Dear Lord...

Every single evening
As I'm lying here in bed
This tiny little prayer
Keeps running through my head.

God bless my Mom and Dad,
And other family.
Keep them warm and safe from harm
For they're so close to me.

And God, there is one more thing
I wish that you could do.
Hope you don't mind me asking,
Bless my computer too.

Now I know that it's not normal
To bless a mother board,
But listen just a second
While I explain to you 'My Lord'.

You see, that little metal box
Holds more than odds & ends
Inside those small compartments
Rest so many of my FRIENDS.

I know so much about them
By the kindness that they give
And this little scrap of metal
Takes me in to where they live.

By faith is how I know them
Much the same as you
We share in what life brings us
And from that our friendship grew.

Please, take an extra minute
From your duties up above
To bless those in my E-ddress book
That's filled with so much love!

Wherever else this prayer may reach
To each and every friend,
Bless each email inbox
And the person who klicks send.

When you update that heavenly list
That's on Your CD-ROM
Remember each who've said this prayer
And sent it to God@Heaven.com.

Amen.

Lee
02-15-2003, 05:14 AM
This is another e-mail my friend sent me which describe what I am suffering from recently. Hope none of you have this disorder.

Subject: Age Activated Attention Deficit Disorder

Recently, I was diagnosed with A.A.A.D.D. - Age Activated Attention Deficit Disorder. This is how it manifests itself:

I decided to wash my car. As I start toward the garage, I notice that there is mail on the hall table. I decide to go through the mail before I wash the car. I lay my car keys down on the table, put the junk mail in the trash can under the table, and notice that the trash can is full.

So, I decide to put the bills back on the table and take out the trash first. But then, I think, since I'm going to be near the mailbox when I take out the trash anyway, I may as well pay the bills first.

I take my checkbook off the table, and see that there is only one check left. My extra checks are in the my desk in the study, so I go to my desk where I find the bottle of coke that I had been drinking.

I'm going to look for my checks, but first I need to push the coke aside so that I don't accidentally knock it over. I see that the coke is getting warm, and I decide I should put it in the refrigerator to keep it cold.

As I head toward the kitchen with the coke, a vase of flowers on the counter catches my eye - they need to be watered. I set the coke down on the counter, and I discover my reading glasses that I've been searching for all morning.

I decide I'd better put them back on my desk, but first I'm going to water the flowers. I set the glasses back down on the counter, fill a container with water and suddenly I spot the TV remote. Someone left it on the kitchen table. I realize that tonight when we go to watch TV, we will be looking for the remote, but nobody will remember that it's on the kitchen table, so I decide to put it back in the den where it belongs, but first I'll water the flowers.

I splash some water on the flowers, but most of it spills on the floor. So I set the remote back down on the table, get some towels and wipe up the spill. Then I head down the hall trying to remember what I was planning to do.

At the end of the day, the car isn't washed, the bills aren't paid, there is a warm bottle of coke sitting on the counter, the flowers aren't watered, there is still only one check in my checkbook, I can't find the remote, I can't find my glasses, and I don't remember what I did with the car keys.

Then, when I try to figure out why nothing got done today, I'm really baffled because I know I was busy all day long, and I'm really tired. I realize this is a serious problem, and I'll try to get some help for it, but first I'll check my email.

lokon
02-15-2003, 05:46 AM
lol Lee that last one had me on the floor :D The sad thing is that I can relate, its become so normal I dont even consider it strange anymore :) :p

Chloe le Bopper
02-15-2003, 08:43 AM
BTW, lol @ those rich kids bragging about their expensive seats in the coming TMC. Well, if I have a rich daddy who buys me an all expense pay trip to Houston, maybe I'll brag about it too

I never finished reading that thread to really know what you guys are talking about ;)

My step mother and step sister get SWEET tickets to Toronto every single year. As in, sweet series tickets. It's their family tradition.

They were actually cool enough to sneak me down during the Haas-Pete match this year. They don't sit in the boxes, but they are at the corner of the court in the FIRST row. So there aren't any boxes in front of them there. They are incredible seats for center court.

Anyhow, I'm a bigger tennis fan, so it's not fair ;) I usually get the standing room only tickets, seeing as I don't spent much time on center court. Not enough time to upgrade my ticket anyhow.

I'm thinking of going to Montreal this year, but I can budget that at 300 bucks for the week, for everything. You see, I don't mind travelling on a meal a day and sleeping in a dirty hostel ;) Those are the sacrifices one has to make if they want to go on these trips - if you are on a budget anyhow :D

LIke the end of last summer, I spent roughly 600 bucks to go to New York. What that means of course, is that I can't even afford a lousy pint of beer this semester. Heck, I can hardly afford decent food. They even told me my vitamin B12 count was low last time I got my blood checked. I've lost 5-10 pounds :mad: But rrr, I'm not bitter ;)

And I'm going to do it ALL over again this summer! If not Montreal I'm bussing to Vancouver with a friend of mine :)

Chloe le Bopper
02-15-2003, 08:47 AM
The point in my rant is that poor people can travel too ;)

In fact, I think that I get far more out of my trips by having to scrape through them than I would if I had first class accomadations and nothing to worry about. It builds character, I tell ya!

Although I have lucked out two times. The friend who came to both Montreal 2001 and NY 2002 with me, is pretty well off. Her mom paid for the hotel in Montreal, and in NY we stayed with her lawyer friend in Soho.

Of course I'm going home for reading week in a couple days, and she's in LA :mad: ;)

So I have to work on a budget, but I've certaintly been given some help along the way. Not to let on that I've been totally slumming it ;)

Francine
02-15-2003, 11:22 AM
Originally posted by Rebecca
The point in my rant is that poor people can travel too ;)


And with this quote I say goodbye :wavey: I'm going to ski and I have NO money left after paying for the trip. So I won't be able to eat or drink anything, but hell, I don't like French cuisine anyway ;)

Luckily I can travel to tennistournaments for free, since Dutch collegestudents don't have to pay to use public transport. And the tickets are only 35 euro in R'dam and that's the most expensive tournament. I spent 34 euro's last year and got 2 full days of tennis in Amersfoort, saw Costa, Corretja, Norman, Nieminen, etc. Guess living in a small country has got its advantages.

See you all next sunday :wavey:

ILR
02-15-2003, 11:50 AM
:wavey: hi everyone

have a nice trip Francine :):) and Im babysitting tonight again so I wont be here,Im raking the money in!;)

Lee,no Liverpool will not playing because it is the FA Cup competition which is sadly what we got knocked out of last week :(

Mrs. B
02-15-2003, 02:03 PM
:wavey:

RogiFan
02-15-2003, 02:52 PM
:) Hi and bye all!

Gotta go downtown in this frigid temp -23!!! God! But the sun is shining!

Out for Japanese tonight w friends...

See you later, guys!

Hope Marcelo wins today in Chile!! OLE! VAMOS, Marcelo! ;)

Leo7
02-15-2003, 05:43 PM
Kimmy won today in both singles and doubles!! She beat Justine Henin 6-2, 7-6 and then her and Ai Sugiyama slaughtered Dokic/Bedanova 6-2, 6-0! :eek: :D

Daniela is down 0-4 to Venus :o so it looks like it's up to Kimmy to stop a Wilkliams from taking this title in Antwerp.

TennisHack
02-15-2003, 05:59 PM
:wavey: Everyone!

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAY Kimmy! :bounce::bounce: It'd be great if she earned another double crown in Antwerp, and stopped Venus from getting that gorgeous racquet. Of course, I'd really love it if Dani could stop her, but she seems to have a mental block :(

Regarding poor people traveling -- that's pretty much how I do it, save up enough money to go on the trip and sacrifice now and afterwards. It's totally worth it, I agree, but still, I don't appreciate the rich kids going on and on about it ;)

TennisHack
02-15-2003, 06:06 PM
http://www.wtatour.com/assets/story_image/ClijstersHands021103.jpg
Proximus Diamond Games - Antwerp)
Kim Clijsters shows her relief after winning a tough semifinal match against fellow Belgian Justine Henin-Hardenne for a spot in the final

TennisHack
02-15-2003, 06:12 PM
Um . . . WTF?!?!?

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20030214/capt.1045279823tennis_wedding_caps102.jpg
Lorri Barnett and David Hagan kiss during their Valentine's Day wedding at center court during a break in the quarterfinals of the Siebel Open in San Jose, Calif., Friday, Feb. 14, 2003. Tennis pro Andre Agassi attended the wedding just before his match against Vladimir Voltchkov. (AP Photo/Paul Sakuma)

Vera
02-15-2003, 06:38 PM
Originally posted by Rebecca
I never finished reading that thread to really know what you guys are talking about ;)

My step mother and step sister get SWEET tickets to Toronto every single year. As in, sweet series tickets. It's their family tradition.

They were actually cool enough to sneak me down during the Haas-Pete match this year. They don't sit in the boxes, but they are at the corner of the court in the FIRST row. So there aren't any boxes in front of them there. They are incredible seats for center court.

Anyhow, I'm a bigger tennis fan, so it's not fair ;) I usually get the standing room only tickets, seeing as I don't spent much time on center court. Not enough time to upgrade my ticket anyhow.

I'm thinking of going to Montreal this year, but I can budget that at 300 bucks for the week, for everything. You see, I don't mind travelling on a meal a day and sleeping in a dirty hostel ;) Those are the sacrifices one has to make if they want to go on these trips - if you are on a budget anyhow :D

LIke the end of last summer, I spent roughly 600 bucks to go to New York. What that means of course, is that I can't even afford a lousy pint of beer this semester. Heck, I can hardly afford decent food. They even told me my vitamin B12 count was low last time I got my blood checked. I've lost 5-10 pounds :mad: But rrr, I'm not bitter ;)

And I'm going to do it ALL over again this summer! If not Montreal I'm bussing to Vancouver with a friend of mine :)

Rich girl has a new thread all by herself in GM with a seating plan that pointed out where she'll be sitting at her $1000 seat (in case you are interested :D ). So, what is SWEET ticket? BTW, the one and only time I went to a tennis match, a weeknight match in TMC Montreal, the ticket was less than $30 cad. So, please tell me that tennis tickets didn't shoot all the way up to the sky. Seems that the cheapest in that TMC is $350usd, just that event, right? Well, I don't care what others have, I'm pretty happy with my lifestyle. Just thought that these spoiled brats are a little childish to have to brag about things in the open air. But, ppl do take notice at them since it gets us all taking about our poor-budget trip. That's what they want- ATTENTION!

Well, my college trip to SF was very memorable. Me and my sister took advantage of that Greyhound buy 1 get 1 free special and took a bus ride from the East to the West to attend summer school. We were on the bus for 60 straight hours (it's the first time and only time in my life I went without shower for almost 3 days :eek: ). But we're fascinated by what we saw during the bus trip. The bus stopped almost every couple hours in small town America, places I never heard of and can't pronounce and didn't know they existed until I was there. That's a eye-opening trip. So you're right, Becca. It's a whole different experience and one that I think it's really a lot of fun.

Vera
02-15-2003, 06:46 PM
But I admire Europeans. Seems that all of them go backpacking all around once they finish school. I've considered that once but thought it would be very difficult for me. It would have been an incredible experience to have though.

Vera
02-15-2003, 06:48 PM
Sad news for me as Escude hurt himself (again :mad: ) and had to pull out from both the single and the double. Argh, please get well soon!

Mrs. B
02-15-2003, 06:56 PM
Hi again! :wavey:

Been trying to get in here but connection's so slow tonight! lol @ Vera talking about poor little rich girl at GM. yeah, i peeked there and i actually couldn't believe that ppl would pay a grand for a seat which cost us around $70 at the Basel indoors!

RogiFan
02-15-2003, 07:14 PM
:D :)

Woo hoo! GO, Kimmie!! Go, Kimmie and Ai!!!

Yeah, Kimmie, take that diamond racquet from Venus!!!

We'll be cheering for you!! [and for Rogi...!]

There are a lot of PLRG here too! It's gross how highschool kids drive BMWs to school!! Disgusting...

Yep, when I was studying in France and Spain, my friends and I were strictly on a student budget -- it was fun and adventurous and you meet all sorts of like-minded students from all over the world! Neat! It's good to have such an experience! Now that I work, I appreciate how hard it is to save up for travel, but when you're away from home, it's worth the sacrifice for the experiences! I'd rather have money to travel than spend on tons of junk [expensive junk... not much cheap junk out there these days!]...;)

Leo7
02-15-2003, 08:58 PM
Clijsters wins Belgian battle
February 15, 2003

Antwerp (BBC) - Kim Clijsters continued her fine start to the season with victory in the all-Belgian semi-final against Justine Henin-Hardenne.

Second seed Clijsters gave the 9,000-strong Antwerp crowd a bravura display, coming through 6-2 7-6.

Clijisters immediately stamped her authority on the match breaking Henin in the second game.

Henin-Hardenne was continually forced into long baseline rallies with her opponent and could not cope with Clijister's superior passing shots.

The second seed displayed the full range of her skills, bringing off lobs and smashes alike, to win the set 6-2.

Clijisters' momentum carried her on to an early break in the second and she found herself within touching distance of victory at 5-2.

But Henin-Hardenne, buoyed by the crowd's enthusiasm, clawed her way back into the game to force a tiebreak.

The comeback was shortlived, however, and Clijisters kept her cool to wrap up the match.

'The second set was very close,' said Clijisters. 'Justine started to make a lot fewer mistakes.

'I just wanted to finish it off but it was a nice match.'

I hope Kimmy wasn't thinking about that Serena match when she was trying to close out Justine.. Good Luck in the singles and doubles Finals!! :bounce:

Leo7
02-15-2003, 09:01 PM
Btw Hackie, i got my new Juanqui avatar from your great site. thanks for having nice small pics. :)

TennisHack
02-15-2003, 09:50 PM
Originally posted by Mrs. B
Hi again! :wavey:

Been trying to get in here but connection's so slow tonight! lol @ Vera talking about poor little rich girl at GM. yeah, i peeked there and i actually couldn't believe that ppl would pay a grand for a seat which cost us around $70 at the Basel indoors!

:wavey: Mrs. B! Hope the connection gets better for you cause we miss chatting with you here.

Maybe they think more expensive is better, even if there aren't really differences between the seats. Oh, well :rolleyes: Let them be deluded :D

You're welcome for the picture, Leo :) Glad you approve of my thumbnails :D

TennisHack
02-15-2003, 09:50 PM
Dani lost 6-1, 6-4 :(

Kick her ass, Kimmy! :bounce:

Chloe le Bopper
02-15-2003, 11:19 PM
Rich girl has a new thread all by herself in GM with a seating plan that pointed out where she'll be sitting at her $1000 seat (in case you are interested ).

Right, I saw this after I posted.


So, what is SWEET ticket?

I'm assuming your asking me what tickets I was talking about? :confused: I wasn't talking about MY tickets. Yeah, right, like I can afford first row center court tickets. LIke I would have any use for them :p

Those are the series tickets that my step family gets EVERY year. It's some family tradition. They stay there all day too, and dont' come to the outer courts with me, pft.

I get the crap center court seats, the cheapest ones you can buy.


BTW, the one and only time I went to a tennis match, a weeknight match in TMC Montreal, the ticket was less than $30 cad. So, please tell me that tennis tickets didn't shoot all the way up to the sky. Seems that the cheapest in that TMC is $350usd, just that event, right?

Oh goodness, if tickets were 350 for the Canadian events I would never go. Last year, for the first couple rounds, I was paying roughly 20 bucks a session for the mens event. That was Monday-Thursday tickets. They went up gradually through the week, but nothing drastic untill you reach quarterfinal Friday and on.

Furthermore in Toronto, if you just stay on the site with your day pass and don't try to get on to center court, you can easily get away with not buying a night pass (which I think was about 15 bucks). However, you can't do this in Montreal. Furthermore, they are changing the Toronto venus, so maybe you won't be able to do it there either.

I've heard that ticket prices are going up. As long as it's still under 30 bucks per session, I'm fine with that. If it goes up anymore than that, I'll be pissed.

When I went to the finals in 1999, it was 40 bucks for the worst teir of seats you could get. I believe that now it's 80 :rolleyes:


Well, I don't care what others have, I'm pretty happy with my lifestyle. Just thought that these spoiled brats are a little childish to have to brag about things in the open air. But, ppl do take notice at them since it gets us all taking about our poor-budget trip. That's what they want- ATTENTION!

Well, perhaps she's just young and doesn't realize how bratty it sounds. I had a friend like that, and she grew out of it. The one who I stayed with in Montreal and NYC actually. It's strange to travel with somebody who is on a much larger budget than you are, but we managed.

Anyhow, I'm not unhappy about my financial position either. My mom has struggled for cash since the break and there have been some rough times, but nothing we didnt' scrape by ;) The entire experience gives me a reason and some motivation to stay in school as long as possible ;)

TennisHack
02-16-2003, 01:06 AM
Holy FUCKING hell! Just saw that post with the seating chart. $350 is murderous! :eek::eek::eek::eek: TMS tickets are $22/session if you buy them individually, or $250 for the whole week package, plus qualifying! :eek: <-- that includes good center court seats!

And $15,000 for a box seat?!?!?!!?!?! :eek::eek::eek:

TennisHack
02-16-2003, 01:09 AM
Originally posted by Rebecca
Well, perhaps she's just young and doesn't realize how bratty it sounds.

She is young, and stupid. Giving out her age, full name, email address, and location, not to mention bragging that daddy bought her some $1000 tickets for the "premier" tennis event of the year.

Not to mention the fact that she thinks Hewitt, a 22-year-old man with a ton of money and a girlfriend, would even entertain the thought of going to her hotel room!

People like this boggle my mind :eek:

TennisHack
02-16-2003, 01:13 AM
I miss DP. And Vaiva. Haven't heard from either in a long while :(

Leo7
02-16-2003, 01:16 AM
Originally posted by TennisHack
She is young, and stupid. Giving out her age, full name, email address, and location, not to mention bragging that daddy bought her some $1000 tickets for the "premier" tennis event of the year.

Not to mention the fact that she thinks Hewitt, a 22-year-old man with a ton of money and a girlfriend, would even entertain the thought of going to her hotel room!

People like this boggle my mind :eek:

woah, what thread is this? :eek: i have to check it out on GM!

Leo7
02-16-2003, 01:17 AM
I think I saw a post from vaiva in wtaworld this week. in the Russian Roulette forum of course.

Puss-in-Boots
02-16-2003, 01:18 AM
:wavey:

Oh TH! *hug* Thanks for missing me... I was kinda a bit scared to post here for a while because the discussion went all serious etc. :o and I felt like the guy who barges into a Mensa meeting and asks how to spell 'cat'. :o

Also, on a total impulse, I bought a DVD player on Friday, and miraculously got it to speak to the TV my boss lent me. (If you may have forgotten, you use a dial to change channels on it. :o ) So I've been watching FOTR over and over and over and gushing and gushing and :o trying to analyse the Elvish bits. :o

Puss-in-Boots
02-16-2003, 01:19 AM
Originally posted by TennisHack
She is young, and stupid. Giving out her age, full name, email address, and location, not to mention bragging that daddy bought her some $1000 tickets for the "premier" tennis event of the year.

Not to mention the fact that she thinks Hewitt, a 22-year-old man with a ton of money and a girlfriend, would even entertain the thought of going to her hotel room!

People like this boggle my mind :eek:

She's posted a few times in camel thread. I find her somewhat irritating and dare I say it, I'm quite sure I'm not the only one.

Leo7
02-16-2003, 01:20 AM
LOL that's what i did when i first got the LOTR dvd. watched it everyday. :D but i lent it to a friend a couple weeks ago and still haven't gotten it back! :fiery:

Puss-in-Boots
02-16-2003, 01:25 AM
I've never owned a DVD player or DVDs before... and I am just so amazed how much they can fit on one disc!! I have the 4-disc extended version, and they have the movie on 2 discs, but on these 2 discs, you can also pick to see the movie with 1. commentary from the cast. 2. commentary from the directing crew. and there were 2 other commentaries...I've only just done option 1 so far and they were talking the entire length of the movie! :eek:

TennisHack
02-16-2003, 01:26 AM
Originally posted by Dr. Peedy
:wavey:

Oh TH! *hug* Thanks for missing me... I was kinda a bit scared to post here for a while because the discussion went all serious etc. :o and I felt like the guy who barges into a Mensa meeting and asks how to spell 'cat'. :o

Oh, pffffffft. I thought you liked us for our serious, grown-up talk? ;)

:o What got serious, by the way? Seems there's been a fair amount of gushing and/or Davis Cup talk.


Also, on a total impulse, I bought a DVD player on Friday, and miraculously got it to speak to the TV my boss lent me. (If you may have forgotten, you use a dial to change channels on it. :o ) So I've been watching FOTR over and over and over and gushing and gushing and :o trying to analyse the Elvish bits. :o

LOL!!! Sweet you, you must be on cloud nine :)

TennisHack
02-16-2003, 01:27 AM
Originally posted by Leo7
woah, what thread is this? :eek: i have to check it out on GM!

The "Tennis Masters Cup Houston" thread.

TennisHack
02-16-2003, 01:29 AM
Originally posted by Dr. Peedy
She's posted a few times in camel thread. I find her somewhat irritating and dare I say it, I'm quite sure I'm not the only one.

:confused: So people hate her. She sounds like the typical rich, self-absorbed early adolscent. Things like this don't phase her. I'm sure she and Katiebug are having the time of their lives discussing plans to get the HOTT! tennis players to fall for them.

Puss-in-Boots
02-16-2003, 01:31 AM
Originally posted by TennisHack
Oh, pffffffft. I thought you liked us for our serious, grown-up talk? ;)


Serious in general works... but there were a lot of long technical posts specifically about tennis that were way over my head. :o So while Sjengster was posting all sorts of intelligent and well-written posts, I felt a bit sheepish popping in and going: 'I bought a DVD player! :D Legolas is SOOOO HOT! :hearts: I wish they spoke more Elvish in the film! etc. etc. etc.' :p

Puss-in-Boots
02-16-2003, 01:32 AM
But yes... I am on cloud nine! :D I am now at the stage where I can translate some simple sentences to Sindarin! :D

TennisHack
02-16-2003, 01:38 AM
Originally posted by Dr. Peedy
Serious in general works... but there were a lot of long technical posts specifically about tennis that were way over my head. :o So while Sjengster was posting all sorts of intelligent and well-written posts, I felt a bit sheepish popping in and going: 'I bought a DVD player! :D Legolas is SOOOO HOT! :hearts: I wish they spoke more Elvish in the film! etc. etc. etc.' :p

Aww, I'm sure he didn't mean to make you feel like an outcast :o And you could have popped in and said that, it's not like we can't handle more than one topic of conversation at a time!

Besides, did you just miss my Michel gushing? Cause I'm pretty sure there's pages and pages of it. And Sjengster even got into it, though I'm sure he was beet red when Vera (I think it was Vera) asked him his take on the best looking guys on tour :o

Puss-in-Boots
02-16-2003, 01:42 AM
Oh no, I'm sure he didn't intend to either...but I don't think he knows me, and I was feeling a bit shy. :o

LMAO... at least you all gush about tennis players...I'll have to look back and see if I can find the gushing section.

TennisHack
02-16-2003, 01:43 AM
Originally posted by Dr. Peedy
I am now at the stage where I can translate some simple sentences to Sindarin! :D

http://www.wtaworld.com/images/smilies/notworthy.gif Very impressive! I hope you never complained about not having a capacity for languages! ;)

TennisHack
02-16-2003, 01:44 AM
Originally posted by Dr. Peedy
LMAO... at least you all gush about tennis players...I'll have to look back and see if I can find the gushing section.

It was last weekend, when Michel won his DC match.

Erm, I mean, I don't remember that! :o

Puss-in-Boots
02-16-2003, 01:49 AM
Originally posted by TennisHack
http://www.wtaworld.com/images/smilies/notworthy.gif Very impressive! I hope you never complained about not having a capacity for languages! ;)

I'm kinda amazed myself... I thought it'd be a lot harder going because when I tried my hand at German it was slow going, and I never got off the ground with French.

I've done all the available exercise sets on the site I'm learning from (there are a few additional 'more advanced lesson notes' I haven't read yet, but the guy writing the course hasn't written exercise sets for them yet). So I'm now at the stage where I'll try and translate some simple things and post in the Elvish 101 forum and let the experts rip me to shreds. :p

I've picked my first translation project already... I'll be using Aesop's fables cos they're short and relatively simple and I shouldn't run into words I can't translate (like computer or car :p ). This coming weekend I'll be trying my hand at 'Androcles and the Lion'... I'm kinda excited. :D

lokon
02-16-2003, 01:51 AM
Hey DP :wavey: I was going to make a comment regarding how youve been absent recently but TH beat me to it :)

Dissident
02-16-2003, 01:54 AM
I drive too. And the sound stays UP and me screaming to the lyrics.... lol. I like it.

But I get really mad with the drivers out there as well. MANY stupid asses think they can drive. :mad: Oh well...

Im thinking about studying abroad myself. Im working something out on my university. Ill see what can be done and where I could go, then I will decide and try to get the money. Next year is my goal... Id love for it to work!!

As for my computer, its on that lab now. The guy is gonna call me somewhere Monday or Tuesday and tell me what they can do and how much it will be. So, I wont have my computer back untill at least late next week. :sad:
Im missing so much stuff!! :( You guys will have to keep me informed! :p

:wavey: Good night!!

Btw, my soccer team lost today! :mad: Diego Gavilan played, though, and very well. But we ended being stupid and missing all oportunities and lost 3-1... :(

TennisHack
02-16-2003, 01:54 AM
Originally posted by Dr. Peedy
I've picked my first translation project already... I'll be using Aesop's fables cos they're short and relatively simple and I shouldn't run into words I can't translate (like computer or car :p ). This coming weekend I'll be trying my hand at 'Androcles and the Lion'... I'm kinda excited. :D

Wow, an Aesop fable as the first translation?! WOW! :eek: That's really impressive. I'm sure you're better than you think you are (experts ripping you to shreds, ha!) ;) Foreign language isn't easy, especially when its not related to your mother tongue.

Let us know how you do! ;)

TennisHack
02-16-2003, 01:57 AM
Originally posted by Dissident
Im thinking about studying abroad myself. Im working something out on my university. Ill see what can be done and where I could go, then I will decide and try to get the money. Next year is my goal... Id love for it to work!!

As for my computer, its on that lab now. The guy is gonna call me somewhere Monday or Tuesday and tell me what they can do and how much it will be. So, I wont have my computer back untill at least late next week. :sad:
Im missing so much stuff!! :( You guys will have to keep me informed! :p


:wavey: & :wavey:, D! Heehee :)

That'd be SOOOOOOO cool if you could study abroad (yet another person to be jealous of . . .) I know you mentioned that you had a chance to study in the States, and if you get that chance again you have to let me know!

Still *crosses fingers* for your computer. We miss you, too. :(

Puss-in-Boots
02-16-2003, 01:58 AM
:wavey: Lokon and Diss! :D

OK, TH...I'll let you know how I do! :) Aesop's fables are hard for first translations? I haven't really looked too hard at them, but some other students are running off trying to translate poetry from Tolkien's books ( :eek: ).. and I thought simple prose would be a safer start for me.

TennisHack
02-16-2003, 01:59 AM
Oh, and while we're sharing sports scores, I have to tell you how excited I am!! My school, renowned for its swim team, just won its umpteenth conference title, men and women! This is a steak that goes back to the 70s, I think. I'm sooo happy for them! :) I'm sure they're approaching some sort of NCAA record, too, and they once again look to be the strong favorites in their division :)

Plus, moy horvat successfully defended his title! :):hearts:

TennisHack
02-16-2003, 02:02 AM
Originally posted by Dr. Peedy
OK, TH...I'll let you know how I do! :) Aesop's fables are hard for first translations? I haven't really looked too hard at them, but some other students are running off trying to translate poetry from Tolkien's books ( :eek: ).. and I thought simple prose would be a safer start for me.

Well, I mean, you want to start simple, and that's a whole story. Of course, having never read the Tolkiens I can't judge on poetry, but I know for Russian we started with sentences, then paragraphs, and poetry -- stories, even short stupid ones, were second-year fodder.

But I don't know how Elvish works, so it could very well be easier to start with a story instead of poetry. Is there tricky word order or exceptional case endings or anything? ;)

Puss-in-Boots
02-16-2003, 02:10 AM
Originally posted by TennisHack
Well, I mean, you want to start simple, and that's a whole story. Of course, having never read the Tolkiens I can't judge on poetry, but I know for Russian we started with sentences, then paragraphs, and poetry -- stories, even short stupid ones, were second-year fodder.

But I don't know how Elvish works, so it could very well be easier to start with a story instead of poetry. Is there tricky word order or exceptional case endings or anything? ;)

Congrats to your Horvat and your school's swim team! :D

Well, I've done several sentence translation exercises... weird things like 'The glorified elf desires to play the harp', 'In darkness Elbereth protected the elf-friends', 'The orcs want to hew down the trees', 'The elves, having departed Middle-Earth, sing.' etc. etc. Word order seems relatively uncomplicated so far, and I haven't found too many exceptional case scenarios yet.... the only one so far is that nouns that are objects of a verb have their first consonant lenited, however, if the verb is addressing the noun in a vocative sense, then the noun is not lenited...

I don't think there are case-specific endings in Sindarin (although I'll have to read up to lesson 15 to be sure... am just starting 11 :o) They do exist in Quenya though. The trickiest part in Sindarin is remembering all the consonant mutations.

TennisHack
02-16-2003, 02:14 AM
Originally posted by Dr. Peedy
Congrats to your Horvat and your school's swim team! :D

Well, I've done several sentence translation exercises... weird things like 'The glorified elf desires to play the harp', 'In darkness Elbereth protected the elf-friends', 'The orcs want to hew down the trees', 'The elves, having departed Middle-Earth, sing.' etc. etc. Word order seems relatively uncomplicated so far, and I haven't found too many exceptional case scenarios yet.... the only one so far is that nouns that are objects of a verb have their first consonant lenited, however, if the verb is addressing the noun in a vocative sense, then the noun is not lenited...

I don't think there are case-specific endings in Sindarin (although I'll have to read up to lesson 15 to be sure... am just starting 11 :o) They do exist in Quenya though. The trickiest part in Sindarin is remembering all the consonant mutations.

Hehe, thanks :hearts:

Your sentences sound like the Latin translations my friends have done (in silliness, not in subject). But no weird word order or case endings -- now that's a dream language!! Tolkien got it right! :D

Russian has 6 cases, each with 3 sets of endings and a slew of exceptions. Only Latin I've heard is worse -- 12 cases! Who the hell needs that many cases?! Guess the ancients got a bit pretentious, or needed to keep the masses from being able to fully understand ;)

Puss-in-Boots
02-16-2003, 02:23 AM
Originally posted by TennisHack
Hehe, thanks :hearts:

Your sentences sound like the Latin translations my friends have done (in silliness, not in subject). But no weird word order or case endings -- now that's a dream language!! Tolkien got it right! :D

Russian has 6 cases, each with 3 sets of endings and a slew of exceptions. Only Latin I've heard is worse -- 12 cases! Who the hell needs that many cases?! Guess the ancients got a bit pretentious, or needed to keep the masses from being able to fully understand ;)

LOL re. what you said about Latin... 12 cases! :eek:

Yeah... I read somewhere that when it comes to linguistic complexity, Tolkien's Elvish languages are intermediate between real, 'evolved' languages like English, German, Russian etc. and languages, like Esperanto, that were deliberately constructed to be totally regular.

Hey, once I read lesson 15 and get my terminology straight, we can discuss and compare the case structures in Sindarin and Russian!

Just had a peek at lesson 15... we have to learn about 4 cases

Nominative- This noun case is for the Subject of the sentence.
Accusative- This noun case is for the Direct Object of the sentence.
Vocative- Used to call upon a person or thing by name. Usually used with an imperative form of a verb.
Dative- This noun case is for the indirect object of the sentence and is usually introduced by “to, for”.

Puss-in-Boots
02-16-2003, 02:26 AM
Quenya has an 'Aorist Case' ... which sounds like it's something out of a fantasy magic book! LOL!

TennisHack
02-16-2003, 02:27 AM
Originally posted by Dr. Peedy
Hey, once I read lesson 15 and get my terminology straight, we can discuss and compare the case structures in Sindarin and Russian!

Just had a peek at lesson 15... we have to learn about 4 cases

LOL, all right :) And German, by default, since it is very closely related to Russian.

There are 6 cases in Russian -- nominative, accusative, genitive, prepsitional, dative, and instrumental. I'm not sure if I could explain the usage of genitive or instrumental (but I could tell you when to use them), and prepositional goes without much saying -- use after a preposition.

Puss-in-Boots
02-16-2003, 02:31 AM
Hrmm.... I've learnt about the Sindarin genitival article 'en', and proper and common noun genitival relationships in lesson 3... maybe it's simple enough in Sindarin not to warrant being called a case! :p

TennisHack
02-16-2003, 02:38 AM
Genitive is definitely the hardest case in Russian, especially the formation of genitive plural. It's also the same as animate accusative, so if you use something with a person in accusative (for example, "I love Mark"), the name is actually in accusative ("Ya lyublyu Marka") (Note: I had originally tried to use your name in the example but "Peedy" is so foreign it wouldn't change -- one of those exceptions! ;)).

TennisHack
02-16-2003, 02:39 AM
Do you have masculine and feminine nouns and adjectival endings? That always makes life just a bit more complicated.

Puss-in-Boots
02-16-2003, 02:41 AM
I'd be most interested in talking about linguistics stuff with you... :D :bounce: There's a student on the Elvish 101 site who is a native Russian speaker, she picked up Sindarin SO quickly, and she posts extremely intelligent questions, and the instructors all love her translation efforts. *jealous*

I wish I knew more about 'grammatical structure'. Lessons about those seem to get glossed over in English.

Puss-in-Boots
02-16-2003, 02:43 AM
Originally posted by TennisHack
Do you have masculine and feminine nouns and adjectival endings? That always makes life just a bit more complicated.

No, we don't... very lucky in that regard... the only thing we have to watch out for is that if we want to use an adjective with a plural noun, we have to mutate the vowels in the adjective to make it 'plural' as well.

TennisHack
02-16-2003, 02:44 AM
Pffft, overachiever ;)

Bring on the linguistics! :D I'm hoping to take a language class next year (I've heard linguistics is crazy, so I'm going to stick to the psychology of language :o). It's all very interesting to me, especially the concept of bilingualism. I'm very jealous of people who can speak more than one language fluently.

Puss-in-Boots
02-16-2003, 02:51 AM
I *used* to be fluent in Malay... it was the compulsory medium of instruction in Malaysian schools... but it's been years since I've used it and I'm really rusty... if I see something in Malay, I can translate it back to English because it triggers some form of recall mechanism... but I couldn't easily translate from English to Malay these days.

Great!... I can't wait :D .... I hope to get to the noun cases and advanced sentence formation lesson before I start my translation project proper, and once I'm there I'll be most interested to chat with you about them see how it compares to Russian and German. (And... I'll actually have intelligent-sounding posts! :p :o)

Puss-in-Boots
02-16-2003, 02:52 AM
Oh, wait... we DO have adjectival endings as well... but I haven't had much occasion to use them yet... :o