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TennisHack
02-06-2003, 06:05 PM
http://www.daviscup.com/shared/medialibrary/image/gallery/DC_1169_gallery.JPG
The Belgian team at the draw ceremony

Sjengster
02-06-2003, 06:05 PM
Well, looking at the first day, Novak looks a certainty to beat Davydenko unless something goes awfully wrong, and equally I think Youzhny has the right game to beat Stepanek - even if Radek does play better than when they met in Doha (which was 6-3 6-1 to Mikhail), he prefers people to come at him more than Youzhy will do.

Therefore the doubles will be crucial, and just like the French the Czechs have a great pairing in doubles whoever they choose. Damm and Suk are certainly an odd choice, but I presume they don't want to overplay Novak - still, Youzhny apart, it will undoubtedly be a doubles match of veterans all right!

Vera
02-06-2003, 06:08 PM
Hi guys :wavey:

Davis Cup :D :D :D

A pic of Alex, Albert, Olivier and Errrrrrr, the other Belgium guy:o

Lee
02-06-2003, 06:08 PM
Originally posted by TennisHack

The Belgian team at the draw ceremony

Looks like the Belgium players forgot their ties :D :D

Sjengster
02-06-2003, 06:08 PM
Hilarious pic of the Belgian team - the X-Man looks his usual overly relaxed, somewhat frighteningly demonic self with that goatee and slick ponytail, Olivier Rochus has a point to prove with his "peace" messages, and I assume that's Vliegen hiding shyly at the back towards the right? I certainly hope it's not the bald, beaming individual next to him, who seems worryingly camp to me, lol.

Vera
02-06-2003, 06:09 PM
One more, Carlos and Xman :) no Juan Carlos :mad: :(

TennisHack
02-06-2003, 06:09 PM
Originally posted by Lee
I just hope that it's the team captain, not Zhenya himself lost confidence in his single play.

I think that reaching a final last week showed Zhenya -- and really, everyone -- that he could still play singles competitively. I kind of see this situation as the Russian captain being between a rock and a hard place. Without Safin, the singles powerhouse, and with Kafel on the descent after a wonderful career, he had to choose -- take a chance on the youngsters and keep Kafel fresh for doubles and a possible singles match, or wear him down and make him play 3 matches as he has done so many times in the past? There's no easy answer, and I guess Shamil is doing the best he can.

Depending on how you look at it, the world group this year is either a travesty (so many players injured) or a glimpse of the future (these are the guys that are next in line for the prize, after all).

Lee
02-06-2003, 06:10 PM
Originally posted by Sjengster
Well, looking at the first day, Novak looks a certainty to beat Davydenko unless something goes awfully wrong, and equally I think Youzhny has the right game to beat Stepanek - even if Radek does play better than when they met in Doha (which was 6-3 6-1 to Mikhail), he prefers people to come at him more than Youzhy will do.

Therefore the doubles will be crucial, and just like the French the Czechs have a great pairing in doubles whoever they choose. Damm and Suk are certainly an odd choice, but I presume they don't want to overplay Novak - still, Youzhny apart, it will undoubtedly be a doubles match of veterans all right!

I don't think Damn and Suk are odd choice, they play doubles together and have pretty good results last year. I remembered that cause they defeated my fav. and #1 double team, Nestor & Knowles.

TennisHack
02-06-2003, 06:11 PM
Originally posted by Vera
Hi guys :wavey:

Davis Cup :D :D :D

A pic of Alex, Albert, Olivier and Errrrrrr, the other Belgium guy:o

Hey, Vera! :wavey:

That's Kristof Vliegen behind Ollie Rochus. Great pictures! :)

ILR
02-06-2003, 06:12 PM
Hi Vera :wavey:

lol at the pic of the Belgians :) and nice pic of Carlos and Xavier.

TennisHack
02-06-2003, 06:14 PM
Originally posted by Vera
One more, Carlos and Xman :) no Juan Carlos :mad: :(

Ugh, Carlos just looks SO WEIRD with short hair! I can't get used to it!!

Hmm, Juanqui's been hiding from the photographers because there aren't many pictures of him on the DC site, either (well, just the one I posted, actually). Hopefully that will change tomorrow :D

Sjengster
02-06-2003, 06:14 PM
Yes, I don't mean that Damm and Suk are the wrong people to choose as they are a very good, experienced team, just odd that the Czech captain should replace Novak and Rikl with them after so many years (didn't they last play eight years ago, they said?).

Always interesting in Davis Cup to see a combination of old and new, veterans and youngsters, especially in the doubles.

Lee
02-06-2003, 06:15 PM
Hi Vera! :wavey: Your arm getting better?

ILR
02-06-2003, 06:16 PM
lol me either really Hackie,I cant decide whether it looks more stupid with his bandana or without!;)

Vera
02-06-2003, 06:18 PM
Originally posted by TennisHack
Hey, Vera! :wavey:

That's Kristof Vliegen behind Ollie Rochus. Great pictures! :)

I was guessing it's him, but too lazy to dig up his name :o :o :o

Lee
02-06-2003, 06:20 PM
I like Moya's new hairdo. The only guy I can't stand having short hair is Guga :eek: but he usually does it when the hard court season comes.

Sjengster
02-06-2003, 06:20 PM
Well, I think his new cropped hair cut has finally destroyed any claims that Moya may have had of being a heart-throb.

I hate to be controversial (well, usually anyway) but what on earth do people find so attractive about the man? He has a wide, gap-toothed smile, straggly black hair and a kind of permanent hangdog expression on his face that makes you want to feel sorry for him rather than label him some kind of sex symbol.

Trust me, I have nothing against him in any other department - anyone who can step up on the Tour and become the Potato's nemesis deserves everyone's praise - but this is one area of his image that has always mystified me.

Vera
02-06-2003, 06:21 PM
Originally posted by Lee
Hi Vera! :wavey: Your arm getting better?

Better if I don't use it. So now I live like a left-handed person, and my left hand is controlling the mouse so I only type with the right. :)

TennisHack
02-06-2003, 06:23 PM
Sjengster -- admittedly I never found Carlos Moya terribly attractive, but you've seen my taste in players -- Jarkko :hearts: whom you think is also pretty ugly.

I don't like long-haired guys in general, I've found, so perhaps I'm not the best person to judge here ;)

Vera
02-06-2003, 06:25 PM
Originally posted by Sjengster
Well, I think his new cropped hair cut has finally destroyed any claims that Moya may have had of being a heart-throb.

I hate to be controversial (well, usually anyway) but what on earth do people find so attractive about the man? He has a wide, gap-toothed smile, straggly black hair and a kind of permanent hangdog expression on his face that makes you want to feel sorry for him rather than label him some kind of sex symbol.

Trust me, I have nothing against him in any other department - anyone who can step up on the Tour and become the Potato's nemesis deserves everyone's praise - but this is one area of his image that has always mystified me.

I agree his short do don't look very good. But he's still very good looking over all. And he looks cool without the smile, not to mention that pretty perfect body:o .

Lee
02-06-2003, 06:26 PM
Originally posted by Sjengster
I hate to be controversial (well, usually anyway) but what on earth do people find so attractive about the man? He has a wide, gap-toothed smile, straggly black hair and a kind of permanent hangdog expression on his face that makes you want to feel sorry for him rather than label him some kind of sex symbol.


Leo & I have a total different opinion on what we want to do with the pic of Tommy Haas and his gf. We both agree that it's just because I am female and he is male. Will this shred any light on WHY?

Sjengster
02-06-2003, 06:31 PM
It could do, but frankly I can still judge other male players to be attractive even though I am a straight man, and to my mind there are a lot of far better-looking ones out there than old Carlos, bless his buck teeth.

And Tennis Hack, I was being partly tongue-in-cheek about Jarkko - I don't really think he's ugly, I just think he has an interesting and characterful face. I'm all for it personally; tennis would be very dull if only people with matinee idol looks like Safin, Ferrero, Federer etc. were around.

ILR
02-06-2003, 06:35 PM
lol Im not going to ramble on about my view on the long haired thing :o Im sure you all know it,but to one person,someone is sexy and to another person,not.Its all just a matter of taste.

Vera
02-06-2003, 06:36 PM
Originally posted by Sjengster
tennis would be very dull if only people with matinee idol looks like Safin, Ferrero, Federer etc. were around.

lol :D :D :D :o :o :o

so, do we appear like those hormone rushing teenagers:o ? Never mind :D. Don't mean to put you on the spot ;) .

TennisHack
02-06-2003, 06:38 PM
Originally posted by Sjengster
And Tennis Hack, I was being partly tongue-in-cheek about Jarkko - I don't really think he's ugly, I just think he has an interesting and characterful face. I'm all for it personally; tennis would be very dull if only people with matinee idol looks like Safin, Ferrero, Federer etc. were around.

LOL, I know, I was just teasing you ;) Jarkko always looks pretty open, honest and laidback most of the time to me, and that's one of the reasons why I enjoy watching him play (see: first set against Potato at TMS Cincy 2002).

Eh, Ferrero is undoubtedly handsome, but I don't know that I'd classify him as a matinee idol. His smile can look weird if not caught at a decent angle, and his hair :eek:

And then of course, we can veer off into downright ugly with the likes of Verkerk (definitely the crowning achievement of the ludicrious faces thread), Rusedski, and Stepanek.

:o Wow I feel shallow now :o LOL

Vera
02-06-2003, 06:38 PM
BTW, Sjengster, in the male view, who's the sexy or good looking kind in the tennis world?

Vera
02-06-2003, 06:39 PM
Originally posted by TennisHack

:o Wow I feel shallow now :o LOL

No worries, I'm with you :o .

ILR
02-06-2003, 06:44 PM
lol me 2 Hackie ;) I see what you mean

Lee
02-06-2003, 06:54 PM
Me too, TH! :D

Sjengster
02-06-2003, 06:56 PM
Originally posted by Vera
BTW, Sjengster, in the male view, who's the sexy or good looking kind in the tennis world?

Oh Lordy, I can see I've opened up a huge can of worms now...

Suffice to say, a lot of people who are classed as attractive seem odd choices to me, and when I say odd I mean to the casual eye, not that I inspect everyone in the Top 50 carefully to judge their handsomeness quotient (is that a real phrase?). And yes, using the phrase "matinee idol" is a rather bizarre and inaccurate term to apply to people who are only sportsmen after all.

In this country, the tennis magazine Ace published a 'Sex List' of the Top 10 sexiest male and female players, and it had what seemed to me some bizarre judgements on sex appeal; someone sent in a letter asking why the "nerdy-looking" Kuerten was on the list, and called Moya "disastrous", and if you see the picture of Carlos from that magazine you'll understand why...

I only wanted to voice an opinion on a specific player, not go around reeling off detailed comparisons about who's attractive and who's not in the whole of tennis; I'd leave that to experts like yourselves. ;)

ILR
02-06-2003, 07:00 PM
Im not an expert.apparently I have weird taste!:(;):p thats what people tell me anyway

Vera
02-06-2003, 07:01 PM
Fair enough, you're off the hook :). Hope we didn't scare you away. We do most of the time talk serious subjects here :D :o :D.

TennisHack
02-06-2003, 07:04 PM
Originally posted by Sjengster
go around reeling off detailed comparisons about who's attractive and who's not in the whole of tennis; I'd leave that to experts like yourselves. ;)

:o My taste in men is hardly the norm.

Besides, this is not the Potato forum, we don't dissolve into "hot-or-not" conversations *that*often :o:D

Vera
02-06-2003, 07:04 PM
BTW, Lee, my sister is going to Caltown next week on biz. I was teasing her that she's gonna be bored to death there (coincidentally, her husband is in Minnesota this week and they are gonna compared who's trip is more boring). Anyway, anything you can suggest her to do in Caltown? She was there before but never that she has to stay a whole week.

ILR
02-06-2003, 07:10 PM
lol Hackie,you think your selection is weird?I get called greaser lover!:p

Sjengster
02-06-2003, 07:10 PM
Yes, it was Hewitt's distinctive anatomical features that started off one of the longer-running threads containing a lot of speculation about his 'endowments', wasn't it? A low point on the board, methinks.

Lee
02-06-2003, 07:21 PM
Originally posted by Vera
BTW, Lee, my sister is going to Caltown next week on biz. I was teasing her that she's gonna be bored to death there (coincidentally, her husband is in Minnesota this week and they are gonna compared who's trip is more boring). Anyway, anything you can suggest her to do in Caltown? She was there before but never that she has to stay a whole week.

Winter in Calgary! You try to kill me here. I think your sister is from Seattle, right?

I try to concentrate in downtown area, so if she is not staying in downtown, let me know and see if I can come up with something else. Anyway, Eau Claire is a pretty good indoor place to spend time in when it's cold outside. If it's warm enough, outside Eau Claire is the Prince Island Park and you can feed the ducks there. :rolleyes: There is Glenbow Museum next to Olympic Plaza. You can skate in Olympic Plaza during this time of year. Even though it may be cold, Calgary Zoo is a pretty good place to spend some time in but only during day time in winter (from 9-5). There is night skiing in Olympic Park which is within the city. If she like sushi, I will recommend Sushi Hiro in 5th Ave and 6th Street SW across the Alberta Government office. The Calgary Tower provide very good view of the whole city and the restaurant there is OK!

TennisHack
02-06-2003, 07:22 PM
Originally posted by IluvRogi
lol Hackie,you think your selection is weird?I get called greaser lover!:p

I'm not called names, but for players other than Juan Carlos, peoples' eyes glaze over or they look at me as if I had two heads when I tell them who I find attractive (especially Michel & Jarkko).

LOL, Sjengster, yes, and that thread wasn't even kept within his forum, it was started in GM for all the world to see :rolleyes:

If you dig far enough, you'll see there was a spate of sex-related threads at one point :o THAT was definitely the all-time low.

ILR
02-06-2003, 07:24 PM
well the name calling is all in good humour,or thats how I take it anyway.The sex threads :o hmmmm there wasnt really any need was there.

Lee
02-06-2003, 07:29 PM
Originally posted by TennisHack
I'm not called names, but for players other than Juan Carlos, peoples' eyes glaze over or they look at me as if I had two heads when I tell them who I find attractive (especially Michel & Jarkko).


If you girls talked about weird, look again at my fav hockey player. Lots of people put him in the scary look category but I think he's sexy. ;)

Vera
02-06-2003, 07:30 PM
Originally posted by Lee
Winter in Calgary! You try to kill me here. I think your sister is from Seattle, right?
I have several sisters, this one lives in Downtown Vancouver.
I try to concentrate in downtown area, so if she is not staying in downtown, let me know and see if I can come up with something else. Anyway, Eau Claire is a pretty good indoor place to spend time in when it's cold outside. If it's warm enough, outside Eau Claire is the Prince Island Park and you can feed the ducks there. :rolleyes: There is Glenbow Museum next to Olympic Plaza. You can skate in Olympic Plaza during this time of year. Even though it may be cold, Calgary Zoo is a pretty good place to spend some time in but only during day time in winter (from 9-5). There is night skiing in Olympic Park which is within the city. If she like sushi, I will recommend Sushi Hiro in 5th Ave and 6th Street SW across the Alberta Government office. The Calgary Tower provide very good view of the whole city and the restaurant there is OK! [/B]

Well, sushi's better here than in Caltown. But if there's lack of a better choice, I think she won't mind :p . I'll tell her about the Calgary Tower (I've never hear of that). To the Zoo? hahaha, my sister, hahaha...Oooops, I almost forgot, this sister studied in UA for a year and she lived in Red Deer for high school, is it any close to Calgary? Maybe she doesn't need my advice afterall :o.

Lee
02-06-2003, 07:40 PM
Originally posted by Vera
I have several sisters, this one lives in Downtown Vancouver.


Well, sushi's better here than in Caltown. But if there's lack of a better choice, I think she won't mind :p . I'll tell her about the Calgary Tower (I've never hear of that). To the Zoo? hahaha, my sister, hahaha...Oooops, I almost forgot, this sister studied in UA for a year and she lived in Red Deer for high school, is it any close to Calgary? Maybe she doesn't need my advice afterall :o.

Layla, SKIP THIS POST!

She lives in Downtown Vancourver, GREAT! Well, if not sushi, she may try steak then since Alberta beef is pretty famous. Most of the steak house in downtown will do.

Since she lived in Red Deer for quite a while, I don't think she will feel boring in Calgary :D :D. Red Deer is about an hour and a half drive north of Calgary and is right in the middle of Calgary & Edmonton.

Layla
02-06-2003, 07:46 PM
Hi guys! :wavey:

First, I have a question for you, since I apparently missed the DC discussion.

WHY OH WHY did Belgium pick Christophe Rochus to play in the singles instead of his adorable and more talented brother, who is also ranked 63 compared to Christophe's 125 slot. That seems a bit ridiculous to me. Does anyone have a likely reason for that? I mean I know they're playing against Spain, but they do want to win, don't they? Not that I'm complaining, I'm cheering for the Spaniards, but I would quite enjoy a match between Ferrero and Olivier. :) If I could get the coverage that is. :(

Layla
02-06-2003, 07:48 PM
Originally posted by Lee
Layla, SKIP THIS POST!


LOL, thanks for the warning, but I don't mind if you guys talk about me.

Which reminds me, it's my fasting day and I'm very hungry. :(

Lee
02-06-2003, 07:49 PM
Hi Layla! :wavey:

Sorry, can't provide any answer!

TennisHack
02-06-2003, 07:52 PM
Originally posted by Layla
Hi guys! :wavey:

First, I have a question for you, since I apparently missed the DC discussion.

WHY OH WHY did Belgium pick Christophe Rochus to play in the singles instead of his adorable and more talented brother, who is also ranked 63 compared to Christophe's 125 slot. That seems a bit ridiculous to me. Does anyone have a likely reason for that? I mean I know they're playing against Spain, but they do want to win, don't they? Not that I'm complaining, I'm cheering for the Spaniards, but I would quite enjoy a match between Ferrero and Olivier. :) If I could get the coverage that is. :(

:wavey: Layla!

Good question! Especially since it was Ollie who helped Malisse get Belgium to the world group in the first place. I didn't even realise he wouldn't be playing a singles match (maybe he'll place a reverse singles on Sunday?).

ILR
02-06-2003, 07:53 PM
:wavey: Hi Layla :)

Layla
02-06-2003, 07:54 PM
LOL, Sjengster, that's not a controversial topic, and neither is it a can of warms, at least not in this forum. We certainly wouldn't kill each other because we disagree on somebody's looks. ;)

That said, I have to admit that I find Moya attractive. Not top 10 players attractive, but attractive enough. I don't mind his gap in the front teeth. In fact, I usually don't have a problem with weird teeth, hence my attraction to Henman. Yes, I think good old Timmy is attractive as well. :o Not to mention Santoro, another one with a gap. Then again, I too have a weird taste in men. Not an expert at all. For instance, I find Sjeng attractive too. ;)

If you really are confused about Moya, perhaps you should go to the Umag tournament. You'll see just how much sex-appeal Moya has in the eyes of the local (beautiful) women.

ILR
02-06-2003, 07:56 PM
Yeh I dont mind Carlos's gap either ;) and like I said before,its a matter of taste and each to their own!:)

Chloe le Bopper
02-06-2003, 07:57 PM
I recall when there were about 6 threads regarding sex, or penis size, or anything of that nature, that were floating around GM. It was during this time that I pumped out my stat threads on Sjeng, Kuerten vs Hewitt, and I think that there was one other. Of course, those threads generated minimal replies, mainly from you guys :)

I have to agree with the couple of you who said that you don't see what the big deal about Moya is. I never really understood it myself. I always thought that he was pretty average looking. Although he has a nice physique, that isn't anything extraordinary in tennis since most of them are fit.

Tennishack, I don't share your love of Jarkko, but Michel seems to be rather dishy!

Hmmm, well those will be my "shallow" comments for the day. Actually, don't hold me to that. Surely I'm likely to break out into conversation about who's taller than me yet again...

Vera
02-06-2003, 07:57 PM
Hi Layla :wavey:

Sorry, have no idea to your question, am also wondering too, maybe Christophe plays better on clay?

Layla
02-06-2003, 07:59 PM
Originally posted by TennisHack
:wavey: Layla!

Good question! Especially since it was Ollie who helped Malisse get Belgium to the world group in the first place. I didn't even realise he wouldn't be playing a singles match (maybe he'll place a reverse singles on Sunday?).

Well, on the official site, Christophe is listed for both matches. I really can't make heads or tails of it. :confused: Olivier is always a dangerous player, even though he doesn't always come through. Did you know he won the newcomer of the year award in 2000?

Here's the list for the last 12 years:

2001 - Andy Roddick :rolleyes:
2000 - Olivier Rochus :)
1999 - Juan Carlos Ferrero :D
1998 - Marat Safin :)
1997 - Julian Alonso :confused:
1996 - Dominik Hrbaty
1995 - Mark Philippoussis
1994 - Albert Costa :eek:
1993 - Patrick Rafter
1992 - Andrei Medvedev
1991 - Byron Black
1990 - Fabrice Santoro :)

Chloe le Bopper
02-06-2003, 08:03 PM
I saw you guys were having some Davis Cup talk! It's unfortunate that I will only be able to follow scores, because god forbid that we cover anything either than Hockey in Canada. Yet that's better than nothing.

I suppose that the Aussie-Brit tie will actually begin before I go to bed tonight. Surely I'll be keeping track of how many games the Brits win, as I'm sure we all will.

Thankfully both my teams are looking favoured to win: Spain and Argentina.

Argentina got quite a break with the absense of Haas, who could have showed up and won the whole damn tie for Germany imo, if he was healthy. I have recollection of him destroying David on clay in Rome was it?

Anyhow - I'm not too keen on them playing David all three days, but I'm sure he'll be ready for it. However despite his status as the number one singles player, and him being the team leader and what not, I believe that Gaudio is really their backbone.

My dream semifinal is Argentina vs Spain. Of course they both have some obstacles to face before that occurs, but it's not totally unlikely.

Vera
02-06-2003, 08:04 PM
Originally posted by Rebecca

Hmmm, well those will be my "shallow" comments for the day. Actually, don't hold me to that. Surely I'm likely to break out into conversation about who's taller than me yet again...

lol Becca. Sorry to bring you down to our level :p . But you can't be all serious all the time :) . Hey, I was wondering, you mentioned that Ferrero has a few inches on you, what shoes you're wearing? I mean, did you wear something with few inches of heel :p ? BTW, Agassi is not really 5'11, he looks a couple of inches shorter than Ferrero when they stand together for pic, no?

I'm definitely the most shallow one here :o .

TennisHack
02-06-2003, 08:04 PM
Originally posted by Rebecca
Tennishack, I don't share your love of Jarkko, but Michel seems to be rather dishy!

He is, isn't he? :D

I really hope he can win a DC match, I'm very tempted to change my avatar to him after finding that nugget RF left in the Federer forum!

ILR
02-06-2003, 08:06 PM
I'm definitely the most shallow one here :o .

maybe I could challenge you for that :o;)

Chloe le Bopper
02-06-2003, 08:06 PM
It's interesting to look at that list (newcomer of the year) and note how many of those guys broke the top 20 in their carreers - not to mention top ten.

Vera
02-06-2003, 08:07 PM
Originally posted by IluvRogi
maybe I could challenge you for that :o;)

we are in good company then :D

TennisHack
02-06-2003, 08:08 PM
Vera -- Agassihole is listed as 2 inches shorter than Ferrero, so its possible he really is 5'11". I think Potatoman is pushing it to be 5'11", but then his height hasn't really worked against him (yet).

I hate to bid this conversation goodbye, but I must :( By the time I get back tonight I'm sure most of you will be gone. It's been so nice having a chatty forum again (thanks Sjengster for being our 'new element')!!

See you guys later :wavey:

Layla
02-06-2003, 08:09 PM
Originally posted by Vera
Hi Layla :wavey:

Sorry, have no idea to your question, am also wondering too, maybe Christophe plays better on clay?

Not at all. He got to the semi-final of a clay tournament in St. Poelten, Austria, last year, where he lost to Lapentti. I saw the whole tournament on tv and Olivier was very impressive. At the end, Lapentti admitted that Oliver played better than him and that he was lucky to have won. :eek: He beat Gambill and David Sanchez.

I mean look at their rankings. 63 to 125, that's a massive difference.

I checked the head-to-heads. Juanqui never played any of those guys, either Malisse or the Rochus brothers. Moya never played Christophe, but defeated Olivier and Moya once.

So it's a pretty new territory for everyone concerned. ;)

Vera
02-06-2003, 08:09 PM
Originally posted by TennisHack
He is, isn't he? :D

I really hope he can win a DC match, I'm very tempted to change my avatar to him after finding that nugget RF left in the Federer forum!

I hope he does. Frankly, I found Michel a lot more better looking than Jarkko. But Jarkko does look good in that pic when he posted like Julian Sands. :)

ILR
02-06-2003, 08:09 PM
Originally posted by Vera
we are in good company then :D

but of course if you want the title,most shallow,Ill be happy to let you have it ;):p

:wavey: Hackie

Vera
02-06-2003, 08:12 PM
Originally posted by IluvRogi
but of course if you want the title,most shallow,Ill be happy to let you have it ;):p



lol, Emma, you are so generous :kiss:

:wavey: Hackie

Chloe le Bopper
02-06-2003, 08:13 PM
Originally posted by Vera
lol Becca. Sorry to bring you down to our level :p . But you can't be all serious all the time :) . Hey, I was wondering, you mentioned that Ferrero has a few inches on you, what shoes you're wearing? I mean, did you wear something with few inches of heel :p ? BTW, Agassi is not really 5'11, he looks a couple of inches shorter than Ferrero when they stand together for pic, no?

I'm definitely the most shallow one here :o .


Well the problem isn't that I've been brought down to anybodies level, it's that the true me is leaking out ;)

As for Ferrero - I was wearing my birkenstalks, which have minimal effect on my height. Granted there was a small wall between us that separates the court from the spectators, and maybe a foot at my closest encounter (my that sounds creepy, doesn' it?).

There is a picture that I snapped of it here:
http://www.geocities.com/becca_becca_11/ferrero/nv29001.jpg

But my point was just that his stats put him at 6', and despite what certain tennis writers may like to think (Werthiem thinks he's 5'9, then again i'm thinking that Jon has never stood beside him, or looked at pics of him with other players..) those stats seemed totally accurate to me.

Furthermore he does have a good inch or so on Andre (it looks like more, but I think that the hair plays a factor here) and Hewitt.

Layla
02-06-2003, 08:14 PM
Acutally I take that back. Christophe Rochus had a good run in the summer in two back-to-back tournaments - Amersfoort and Sopot, where he defeated Alex Corretja :eek: :eek: David Ferrer and Fabrice Santoro! :eek: Admittedly Santoro was out of form at that time, but still, very impressive.

Layla
02-06-2003, 08:15 PM
Originally posted by Vera
I hope he does. Frankly, I found Michel a lot more better looking than Jarkko. But Jarkko does look good in that pic when he posted like Julian Sands. :)

Yeah, I have to agree with the above. :D

Sjengster
02-06-2003, 08:16 PM
Since we were all talking about how important size is (no sniggering at the back there), I was just wondering what the biggest height discrepancy between two players is. Unless I'm mistaken, I believe it's between the 5'5" Olivier Rochus and the 6'10" Ivo Karlovic, who lost the deciding match to Gaudio when Croatia played Argentina last year in DC. Anyone know of anyone shorter than Rochus or (heaven forbid) taller than Karlovic? And have they ever played each other?

ILR
02-06-2003, 08:16 PM
Originally posted by Vera
lol, Emma, you are so generous :kiss:

:wavey: Hackie

I know ;) Maybe you are more deserving ;) joke :o

Chloe le Bopper
02-06-2003, 08:17 PM
The link doesn't work, sorry -

If you want to see the pic and haven't already, go to:

http://www.geocities.com/becca_becca_11/ferrero/

And pick the image titled: nv29001.jpg

I forgot that you can't directly link to geocities

Vera
02-06-2003, 08:21 PM
Originally posted by Rebecca

But my point was just that his stats put him at 6', and despite what certain tennis writers may like to think (Werthiem thinks he's 5'9, then again i'm thinking that Jon has never stood beside him, or looked at pics of him with other players..) those stats seemed totally accurate to me.

Furthermore he does have a good inch or so on Andre (it looks like more, but I think that the hair plays a factor here) and Hewitt.

Well, hair's part of the body, Baldy can only blame himself for unble to take the hair advantage :D.

I think Pmac questioned Ferrero's 6' on air. But then, PMac questioned everything about Ferrero on air.

Vera
02-06-2003, 08:26 PM
Originally posted by Rebecca
The link doesn't work, sorry -

If you want to see the pic and haven't already, go to:

http://www.geocities.com/becca_becca_11/ferrero/

And pic the image titled: nv29001.jpg

I forgot that you can't directly link to geocities

Thanks for the pic. Can't really figure out the height in there though. I just hope to catch him in person one day to find out. Did you happen to see my post about him not having Montreal on his schedule this year? Are you still going if he isn't? Well, you have lots of other faves to see of course and Montreal is not so far. I also like other players but no point of going if he's not showing up, since the airfare alone will cost a fortune for me.

Layla
02-06-2003, 08:27 PM
Originally posted by Sjengster
Since we were all talking about how important size is (no sniggering at the back there), I was just wondering what the biggest height discrepancy between two players is. Unless I'm mistaken, I believe it's between the 5'5" Olivier Rochus and the 6'10" Ivo Karlovic, who lost the deciding match to Gaudio when Croatia played Argentina last year in DC. Anyone know of anyone shorter than Rochus or (heaven forbid) taller than Karlovic? And have they ever played each other?

Olivier and Karlovic played each other in 2000, in the final of a future (France F6). Karlovic won in two tie-break sets.

I don't think there's anyone shorter than Ollie, but I always enjoy watching him play against Safin. :D

Chloe le Bopper
02-06-2003, 08:31 PM
Thanks for the pic. Can't really figure out the height in there though. I just hope to catch him in person one day to find out. Did you happen to see my post about him not having Montreal on his schedule this year? Are you still going if he isn't? Well, you have lots of other faves to see of course and Montreal is not so far. I also like other players but no point of going if he's not showing up, since the airfare alone will cost a fortune for me.

I saw his schedule, and I don't think that it's right.

I refuse to believe that he's all of a sudden going to play 4 (or was it 5?) clay court tournaments in the span of about 5 weeks, and skip a required event.

Furthermore, since when does Ferrero play Long Island?

His schedule made so little sense that I didn't take it seirously - he had 7 tournaments during the 8 or 9 week span between Wimbledon and the US Open. SEVEN?!

Furthermore if he seriously wants to get his ranking up, as he says, he'll play alll the required events.

I'm not all that worried about it at the moment. I'll also likely go to Montreal anyhow, yes. I can fund a trip for about a week at under 300 bucks - including my tennis tickets for about 4 days. So surely his presense won't effect mine.

That said, it would be nice if he showed up, as I suspect that he is going to.

ILR
02-06-2003, 08:33 PM
anyway guys,Im off for now,bye!:wavey:

Chloe le Bopper
02-06-2003, 08:36 PM
The only thing that might effect my montreal trip, is if my friend and I decide to go out to BC for a week at the end of August. We'll be bussing it, so the trip will actually be about 2 weeks, since it's almost a 3 day bus trip.

I won't know for sure untill May or June.

Regarding Montreal though - the thing that I like best about this tournament is that 99% of the time they throw my faves on the smaller courts, so I can get great seats and not have to worry about bringing binoculars. I don't even bother buying decent center court seats for that very reason.

But this year I fear that they might actually, for the first time, give Ferrero the honour of center court. But I can always hope for the best ;) What with Hewitt, Agassi, maybe Sampras, Haas (who for some reason played every single match on center court last year), Safin, and all the other players that would get it over him, I hold out hope :D

Lee
02-06-2003, 08:38 PM
Bye Emma! :wavey:

Lee
02-06-2003, 08:40 PM
Computer hung up on me (at least not the internet this time) and too bad I need to go too! Bye! :wavey:

Vera
02-06-2003, 08:40 PM
Originally posted by Rebecca
I saw his schedule, and I don't think that it's right.
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Furthermore if he seriously wants to get his ranking up, as he says, he'll play alll the required events.

I'm not all that worried about it at the moment. I'll also likely go to Montreal anyhow, yes. I can fund a trip for about a week at under 300 bucks - including my tennis tickets for about 4 days. So surely his presense won't effect mine.

That said, it would be nice if he showed up, as I suspect that he is going to.

That's true. Make no sense to play optional tourney and skip the required one for ranking purposes. Though it's possible that he play Long Island to get a better preparation for USO, it works in Aus Open. He's not defending his title for Salem since it's gonna be in Beijing the week right after USO, that make sense and am happy that he's going to Shanghai for that "ex-Salem" week. I think he'll do well in Shanghai.

Wonder why the schedule was put up this way though, was he trying to confuse the enemy or sth :p . Anyway, even if he shows up in Montreal, I'm unlikely to be able to go. Airfare alone will cost more than $600. :(

Vera
02-06-2003, 08:43 PM
bye Emma and Lee :wavey:

Sjengster
02-06-2003, 08:45 PM
Originally posted by Rebecca
Haas (who for some reason played every single match on center court last year)

Well if I remember correctly, Haas did have some big matches in Toronto last year; the first round was against a Canadian wildcard, Frederic Niemeyer, so that would be important for the tournament, the second round was against the Sjengster (and if that ain't big opposition, what is? :) ) and then he had that epic night-time clash with Sampras, followed by three-setters against Santoro and Canas.

It's ironic that although I much prefer Canas to Haas overall, the two times I've seen them play I've desperately wanted Haas to win; the first in the Vienna 2001 final because Canas had beaten the defending champion Henman (from matchpoint down) earlier in the tourney, and the second in Toronto because, with Haas' record against Roddick I thought he would be the likelier one to beat him in the final.

How wrong can you get? :cool:

Layla
02-06-2003, 08:47 PM
Bye TH, Lee and Emma! :wavey:

Vera
02-06-2003, 08:51 PM
Originally posted by Rebecca

But this year I fear that they might actually, for the first time, give Ferrero the honour of center court. But I can always hope for the best ;) What with Hewitt, Agassi, maybe Sampras, Haas (who for some reason played every single match on center court last year), Safin, and all the other players that would get it over him, I hold out hope :D

Well, Haas is better-known than Ferrero. Frankly, I think Ferrero is very unknown in the States, not sure why, maybe no one here really cares for player who play well on clay? On TSN, they shown every Sampras matches which were all night matches, probably no difference if Pete shows up this year.

Layla
02-06-2003, 08:55 PM
Originally posted by Sjengster

It's ironic that although I much prefer Canas to Haas overall, the two times I've seen them play I've desperately wanted Haas to win; the first in the Vienna 2001 final because Canas had beaten the defending champion Henman (from matchpoint down) earlier in the tourney, and the second in Toronto because, with Haas' record against Roddick I thought he would be the likelier one to beat him in the final.

How wrong can you get? :cool:

Not wrong at all. They both would've done the job admirably. :D And I would much, much prefer Haas to have had the honors. I don't care for Canas at all.

Chloe le Bopper
02-06-2003, 08:56 PM
Sjengster - ah yes, now that you mention it Hass being on center court each match did make some sense.

Mind you in 2001 they actually threw Henman-Costa on an outer court. Not that I'm complaining, it was maybe the best match that I saw there (sorry your man lost). That said, it was on the same time as Hewitt-Arazi, so I guess it's understandable. That, and Costa was slumping for a while during that period. Hard to believe that he went from beating Henman in 2001, to getting his behind kicked by Spadea the next year - especially considering his form both years. Oh well..

I only saw part of Haas' first match as I had to meet a friend in our seats. Granted I suppose that I should have been supportive of my fellow Canadian, but there was no way I was getting crappy seats for the Kafel-Mirnyi match.

Enough of my rambles.

Chloe le Bopper
02-06-2003, 08:58 PM
I was actually pleased to see Canas come through that tournament. After the smack down that Andy gave David, it was only just that another Argentinian get the job done properly.

It's a shame that Canas got injured or he might very well have been in the top ten along with David with now.

Chloe le Bopper
02-06-2003, 09:02 PM
One more thing about Canas -

After beating Federer, Kafelnikov, Safin, and Haas, I would have shot myself in the foot if he lost the title to Andy.. who if I recall didn't even play a top ten player along the way?

Granted he played two future top ten players in Novak and David.

Sjengster
02-06-2003, 09:04 PM
Yes, considering the ease with which Roddick beat Nalbandian I was sure he was going to do much the same to Canas and coast over him using his serve - but then I never realised just what an incredible returner the guy is, he's right up there with Hewitt and Agassi and it showed that day.

I remember he made one unforced error in the first set - and I believe that was on a volley that was controversially ruled out by the umpire, so if it was actually in then he didn't make a single mistake during that set, and only six the whole match. Roddick never stood a chance.

What an incredible tournament Canas had - beating Federer in the first round, even though that wasn't popular with me, then knocking off Srichaphan, both Russians and Haas in a match that Tommy was very close to winning. I suppose with that record Roddick seems no great surprise to beat, but I just had the feeling that on a North American hardcourt, Andy's big moment had finally arrived and he was going to win a major title.

I guess both Canas' and Moya's wins at the Masters showed that these so-called clay-courters can beat the best on fast surfaces too.

Vera
02-06-2003, 09:05 PM
Canas jumps on my list since he beat Pandy in TO :). Like it even more that Pandy looked dumpfound in the match.

Vera
02-06-2003, 09:07 PM
I should go, thanks for the chat you guys, have a good day. :wavey:

Chloe le Bopper
02-06-2003, 09:11 PM
To Andy's credit, when he loses he always says something good about the guy who beat him, and rarely makes excuses. I recall he was full of praise for Canas at the end of the match - and really, he would have looked a little silly not to have been.

I seem to recall having that match on tape for some reason. I think that my friend taped it for me because I was working that day.

Funny enough ,it was that very tournament that turned my friend from a Roddick loving teeny bopper, into a Roddick "hater". That match with Lapentti was what did it, although I didn't totally agree with the passion with which she approached the whole situation lol.

After that match, combined with how Canas had been just getting better and better I really thought that he was going to keep plugging away and maybe go deep at the US Open. Then of course - as he's struggled with for a good part of his career - along came another injury :(

Chloe le Bopper
02-06-2003, 09:12 PM
Bye Vera. Take care ;)

Layla
02-06-2003, 09:14 PM
Bye Vera! :wavey:

Sjengster
02-06-2003, 09:18 PM
Ah of course, the Lapentti controversy! I remember that well too. It was Roddick's only really hard match en route to the final, and the contrast in demeanour on court was very telling - all Roddick's pumped-up energy and enthusiasm versus the laid-back, carefree attitude of Lapentti.

I must admit I'm not the biggest fan of old Nico ever since the DC debacle against Britain in 2000 (I really must stop disliking players just because they beat the Brits, but then on the other hand that doesn't look likely to stop in the near future), but he did have a good point about Roddick's show-boating and stealing the limelight at a crucial point in the match. At the end when Lapentti mentioned this to him, Roddick responded with the rather snappy retort: "What, are you just being a sh**ty sport or something?"

After that match, when Roddick next went on court against Koubek, somebody apparently shouted out loudly from the crowd, "Lapentti SUCKS!" I think that was the moment I became a disliker of Roddick too.

Chloe le Bopper
02-06-2003, 09:27 PM
I watched most of Koubek-Roddick. I actually only showed up to root for Koubek, as a way of getting over my dissapointment that this was "supposed to be" Ferrero-Roddick.

I missed a good chunk in the middle of the match because I wanted to run over to court two for something or other, so I missed the "Lapentti sucks!" part, but I have no doubt that it happened.

In honour of the Lapentti-Roddick fight, I present the following, which was taken right after the match. Unfortunately the best picture is still way to big at the moment, but I'll get it down to size eventually. In the other picture Roddick has actually crossed the net and his mouth his hanging open in disgust...

Regardless, here is the less animated version:

Chloe le Bopper
02-06-2003, 09:29 PM
I've said this before, but I'll tell the story again:

My friend and I had moved down to the first row to take pictures - I think that I was actually standing on the first row, but that's besides the point. So when they started having their little spat, we both got a great closeup view of it, not to mention we were in good audio range as well.

So I watched the news that night to see highlights, and there my friend and I were, pointing and laughing.

It was a proud moment.

Sjengster
02-06-2003, 09:34 PM
Fascinating - I must admit I've never been up close and personal with a big argument or controversy on-court, the closest I came was when I saw the Agassi-Rafter Wimbledon semi and the disputes over the line judges from the other side of Centre Court.

Sorry to break off, but I too must go now. Goodbye, all.

Layla
02-06-2003, 09:35 PM
Bye Sjengster! :wavey: Enjoyed your company. :)

Layla
02-06-2003, 09:37 PM
OH MY GOD! This just occurred to me. I think Becca asked this before. If Spain and Croatia both win, where will the tie be held? The importance of this eluded me until now! If they play in Croatia, I COULD GET TO SEE JUANQUI LIVE! I'm not sure that's the case, but even if it's just a possiblity, I'm rooting for Croatia. :D

RogiFan
02-06-2003, 09:38 PM
Originally posted by Sjengster
Terrific picture from the Switzerland-Netherlands press conference - my two favourite players, plus two secondary players who I'm fairly keen on as well. The Sjengster in particular looks extremely happy - but I wonder if that confident smirk of Federer's shows that he knows something the Dutch don't...

Ooh, I hope so, Sjengster!! Even if it doesn't show anything in particular, I'm happy to see Rogi's cute little smirk! :drool:

Those BRA/SWE pix are hilarious! They're the best! Jonas is such a funny guy -- love that Swedish sense of humour! Reminds me of those odd but funny IKEA commercials!

Chloe le Bopper
02-06-2003, 09:40 PM
I'm going to take off and get some reading done, so good bye for me too :wavey:

Layla
02-06-2003, 09:40 PM
Bye Becca! :wavey:

RogiFan
02-06-2003, 09:42 PM
Originally posted by TennisHack
:wavey: Lee!

Sjengster, it's Haarhuis/Verkerk in the doubles. It could be a costly change, as they have never played with each other before :eek: Federer/Rosset is also a weird pairing, considering Federer/Allegro was a fine pair at the Aussie Open. I just hope Marc knows what the hell he's doing.

Yay, another addition to the cheering squad! :bounce:

I'll say! Remember Federer/Rosset lost last year in Moscow(?)... I hate these latish changes -- look what happened in the 2001 final w the dbles! That had to be one of the worst decisions! Poor Pat... never got his DC trophy!!

RogiFan
02-06-2003, 09:45 PM
Originally posted by Sjengster
Haarhuis-Verkerk, is it? I see. Well it does make a surprising line-up, although when you look at their strengths they certainly seem more suited for doubles than the stiff-framed Sjengster. And well, if Rosset is team captain and all, I guess he does know what he's doing by deciding to partner Federer - though if it all goes wrong, Roger knows who to blame!

Yep! You're right there! After all, WHO lost for Switzerland vs. Russia last year, eh? NOT Rogi!:p

RogiFan
02-06-2003, 09:47 PM
Originally posted by IluvRogi
:wavey:

all you tall people :p Well I am still one of the smallest people in my year at school,one of my friends,hes male is 6ft 2 :eek: Hes really tall,I hate standing next to him :p

Thanks for the piccies Hackie :D

And just thought Id tell you all,my grandmas dog,well hes more of a family dog passed away last night in his sleep.:( but he was 16 and had a good life.:) Miss you Toby!

ILR:

Ahh... :( Toby, what a cute name for a dog...

RogiFan
02-06-2003, 10:17 PM
:) Great now that I'm here nobody else is... finally got through this thread... so much fun stuff I can't remember it all... sexy? I also like guys who are not the usual "sexy" guys... matinee idol?? Rogi?? I'd like to see him as a matinee idol of the 40s? 50s? jarkko and j sands... right remember that one... rebecca's pix are great! i s check my TO02 news and try and find you! nico and pandy... what a jerk pandy was [is]... sjengster you sure remember a lot from TO02! you probably got better coverage than we Cdns! Yeah Koubek-Roddick s have been Ferrero-Roddick... someone intimated that Juanqui lost on purpose cos he didn't want to fave pandy... :p gotta run too!

Vera
02-06-2003, 10:27 PM
Hi RF :wavey: just a quick stop to post this. The cover pic is not ideal, but nonetheless. And this spanish one is only $5 as compared to that $25 English version:rolleyes: . I'm seriously considering getting it even though I'm not nearly any good in spanish, working on it :D .

________________
Spanish Stars Enjoy Guide of Their Own
Moya, Ferrero, Costa impressed by launch of all-new ATP Official Guide in Spanish.

Taking time out from preparing for this weekend's opening round Davis Cup tie vs. Belgium in Seville, Spanish stars Juan Carlos Ferrero, Carlos Moya and Albert Costa became among the first people to get a look at the all-new ATP Official Guide in Spanish.

The "Spanish Armada" trio, who all played in the Tennis Masters Cup Shanghai last November, came away impressed with the "GuŪa oficial 2003." Produced in conjunction with leading Spanish sports newspaper MARCA, the guide hit newsstands in Spain this week, and is now available for purchase online via ATPtennis.com.

Especially excited was Ferrero, who is featured on the guide's cover in a striking image from Roland Garros last year, where he reached the final.

The 2003 ATP Official Guide in Spanish represents a major new venture that reflects the strength and growth of ATP tennis in Spain and Latin America. Fourteen Spanish players finished in the Top 100 of the 2002 ATP Champions Race, the seventh consecutive year that Spain has boasted more year-end Top 100 players than any other country, and many of the game's brightest talents and rising stars - such as Gustavo Kuerten, Fernando Gonzalez and Guillermo CaŮas - hail from South America.

The guide offers Spanish-speaking fans more than 160 pages of behind-the-scenes features plus ATP player and tournament profiles. In addition, the guide features a selection of the best photography of the 2002 season and comprehensive facts and statistics.

Vera
02-06-2003, 10:28 PM
He looks like a school kid, doesn't he? :D.

:wavey:

Layla
02-06-2003, 10:46 PM
Nevermind, apparently the tie would be held in Spain. Just my luck! :rolleyes:

NOTHING wants to go my way at the moment.

Well, that's not entirely true. My biggest fave in skiing and in winter sports in general, Bode Miller, won a gold medal in the combined event (downhill + slalom) of the World Championships. :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

It was such a big deal to him that he actually cried after the race. Seriously, I have never seen this man even close to tears. Not even when he crashed out of the slalom race at the Olympics with a healthy lead from the first run. He is the most relaxed, easy-going of skiers. Never shows much emotion, so I was shocked to see him in tears. On the other hand, it was very moving. :hearts:

And he won a silver medal in super g two days ago. :D So that's two for two. Concievably, he could win all five available medals, but I don't think it's possible.

Anyway, I'm going to bed. Goodnight and sweet dreams. :wavey:

babydoll
02-06-2003, 11:36 PM
Originally posted by Vera
He looks like a school kid, doesn't he? :D.

:wavey:

lol. No he doesn't, He looks adorable. :drool:

Hi guys. :wavey:

Chloe le Bopper
02-07-2003, 01:40 AM
:wavey: all

I read about that magazine and have debated buying it myself. Only 5 bucks eh? WHo's currencty is that..?

TennisHack
02-07-2003, 01:41 AM
Originally posted by Vera
I hope he does. Frankly, I found Michel a lot more better looking than Jarkko. But Jarkko does look good in that pic when he posted like Julian Sands. :)

Wait, what? I'm confused :o What picture of Jarkko are you referring to?

And LOL, as I said before, the fewer people who find my Finnish angel attractive, all the more for me :D But I'm glad I could spread the Swiss love a little further ;)

TennisHack
02-07-2003, 01:52 AM
Originally posted by Rebecca
So I watched the news that night to see highlights, and there my friend and I were, pointing and laughing.

So you might be on my TMS Canada tape after all! I think I spotted you behind Zhenya during one of his matches, but I never thought to look in the crowd during the Roddick spat (which I have at least twice on tape).

Hmmmm, another spring break project :D

TennisHack
02-07-2003, 01:53 AM
Originally posted by Layla
OH MY GOD! This just occurred to me. I think Becca asked this before. If Spain and Croatia both win, where will the tie be held? The importance of this eluded me until now! If they play in Croatia, I COULD GET TO SEE JUANQUI LIVE! I'm not sure that's the case, but even if it's just a possiblity, I'm rooting for Croatia. :D

Damn! The Americans lost another crucial supporter :sad:

According to the DC site, if Croatia meets Spain, it'll be drawn by lots as to who gets the surface choice.

I still want the US to win so I can see Juanqui on TV! :sad:

TennisHack
02-07-2003, 02:01 AM
Well, quell surprise, Australia is up 1-0 over Britian, with Mark P thrashing Alan Macklin 6-3, 6-3, 6-3 (that's about three times as many games as previously predicted, so I guess it was a good match for Macklin).

I won't be here for Michel's match in the morning :sad:, and I won't be around during the day tomorrow to follow any singles matches (though I might catch James's depending on when it starts . . .). So besides cheering on our Swissies in the Roger forum, we'll have to keep an eye on the other ties, too.

So, the offical Great Britian Number of Games Won starts at 9 ;)

RogiFan
02-07-2003, 02:15 AM
:) So Aussies won one already! I feel badly for GBR!

Vera:

Why is the Spanish guia only $5??? The English is $25?!! This is USD I presume. They said you can buy it at the tournaments? As in Montreal?? Well, then I better go!!! Maybe Juanqui can sign it for me en espanol! De veras, me muero de ganas de conocer a Juanqui y a Alex y a Tommy y a Carlos...!!! Ay!

Any other matches going on now as we speak?? Better check the DC site...

TennisHack
02-07-2003, 02:29 AM
The English media guide is a great little book, well worth its US$25 price tag. It's the one that's available in PDF format on ATPtennis.com. I never feel completely ready for a new season until I have one :o This year all of my players made the main section of the guide, so I'm extra proud *beams*

Anyway, I'll keep an eye out for the Spanish guide. Also, don't forget the two versions of DEUCE to be published this year, an American one and an European one. If the ad in the media guide is correct, the American will have Roddick on the cover :rolleyes: Both versions are supposed to be available at tournaments.

RogiFan
02-07-2003, 02:37 AM
Originally posted by TennisHack
The English media guide is a great little book, well worth its US$25 price tag. It's the one that's available in PDF format on ATPtennis.com. I never feel completely ready for a new season until I have one :o This year all of my players made the main section of the guide, so I'm extra proud *beams*

Anyway, I'll keep an eye out for the Spanish guide. Also, don't forget the two versions of DEUCE to be published this year, an American one and an European one. If the ad in the media guide is correct, the American will have Roddick on the cover :rolleyes: Both versions are supposed to be available at tournaments.

Thanks for the info, Hackie! I don't think they sold that guide in TO last year though... one American woman at the tourney had it... she was rather boastful of her "tennis" experiences... never mind!

So... is there anything special on ROGI in that guide??? Or Juanqui, Alex, Tommy R, Carlos, Marat...

Last year I ordered that Deuce online and paid a FORTUNE for it only to find that they were selling it here in Chapters! I actually BOUGHT it off the newsstand before I even received it in the mail... a HUGE ripoff! [ordering it online, that is!]

When is the Deuce out this year?? I hope they sell both versions up here -- I'm reluctant to order anything online again... :p

Vera
02-07-2003, 02:41 AM
Hi RF and Hackie :wavey:

Hey, RF, so how much is it on Newstand? I wonder, cos I was out of the country and when I got back, they aren't anymore. I have to order that on-line. And I wonder, if the European version different from the American one? Are they both English? Well, they didn't say so I'm wondering right now. And if the Americans is for Americans, that'll be good cos I can skip that and only buy the European one.

Vera
02-07-2003, 02:43 AM
Originally posted by Rebecca
:wavey: all

I read about that magazine and have debated buying it myself. Only 5 bucks eh? WHo's currencty is that..?

US currency. But the shipping to canada is $16 USD :rolleyes: that's a ripoff.

Vera
02-07-2003, 02:44 AM
Originally posted by TennisHack
Wait, what? I'm confused :o What picture of Jarkko are you referring to?


Your last avatar, where he turned sideway! Remember that I posted a Julian Sands picture here and said they kinda look alike?

RogiFan
02-07-2003, 02:48 AM
Originally posted by Vera
US currency. But the shipping to canada is $16 USD :rolleyes: that's a ripoff.

Yep a ripoff! But that's almost half of what I paid for Deuce!! It was only about $8 on the newsstands!!!! So I'm waiting this time... and if anyone sees it, pls post IMMEDIATELY!!

Gotta go to bed... up early tomorrow blah!

BUENAS NOCHES amigos y amigas!

Let's dream of the wins we want!! :angel:

Vera
02-07-2003, 02:50 AM
Originally posted by RogiFan
:) So Aussies won one already! I feel badly for GBR!

Vera:

Why is the Spanish guia only $5??? The English is $25?!! This is USD I presume. They said you can buy it at the tournaments? As in Montreal?? Well, then I better go!!! Maybe Juanqui can sign it for me en espanol! De veras, me muero de ganas de conocer a Juanqui y a Alex y a Tommy y a Carlos...!!! Ay!

Any other matches going on now as we speak?? Better check the DC site...

:) RF. Don't know why it's so cheap, but do we care? Oh, it's only 160 pages as compare to 400+ of the English one. Since it's actually produced by MARCA, and sell in Spain, I'm thinking all the important stuffs :o will be included despite fewer pages ;) . Hey, if you got the autograph, you should scan it and post it here. I so hope that you guys (you and Becca) can go and bring back some goodies for us :kiss:

Vera
02-07-2003, 02:51 AM
Goodnite, RF :wavey:

Vera
02-07-2003, 02:59 AM
Me going too. Nite Hackie :wavey:

TennisHack
02-07-2003, 03:01 AM
Originally posted by RogiFan
Thanks for the info, Hackie! I don't think they sold that guide in TO last year though... one American woman at the tourney had it... she was rather boastful of her "tennis" experiences... never mind!

So... is there anything special on ROGI in that guide??? Or Juanqui, Alex, Tommy R, Carlos, Marat...

Last year I ordered that Deuce online and paid a FORTUNE for it only to find that they were selling it here in Chapters! I actually BOUGHT it off the newsstand before I even received it in the mail... a HUGE ripoff! [ordering it online, that is!]

When is the Deuce out this year?? I hope they sell both versions up here -- I'm reluctant to order anything online again... :p

LOL at your Deuce experience. I bought it off the newsstand, too. I believe it's coming out in March.

It's just the official media guide, that's handed out to all the media outlets (what, you don't think Cliffy was that smart on his own, did you? :eek:;)). I know it's on ATPtennis somewhere as a PDF file, but if I can ever do it correctly, I'll take pictures of the relevant pages and put them up here :)

TennisHack
02-07-2003, 03:02 AM
Originally posted by Vera
US currency. But the shipping to canada is $16 USD :rolleyes: that's a ripoff.

Aha, I figured they'd stick us somewhere :rolleyes:

TennisHack
02-07-2003, 03:03 AM
Originally posted by Vera
Your last avatar, where he turned sideway! Remember that I posted a Julian Sands picture here and said they kinda look alike?

Ohhhhhhhhh, okay! *lightbulb*

Yes, that photo shoot on his website is quite lovely :hearts::hearts::hearts:

Chloe le Bopper
02-07-2003, 03:04 AM
hmmm 16 bucks isn't bad. Surely they have a good chunk on people that I like- Ferrero, Corretja...heck I bet they even do a little on David no? They say that it focusses on "latin and spanish" tennis afterall...


So you might be on my TMS Canada tape after all! I think I spotted you behind Zhenya during one of his matches, but I never thought to look in the crowd during the Roddick spat (which I have at least twice on tape).

Hmmmm, another spring break project

Tennishack, I'm likely there somehow. I can help you out when you get around to looking at it...I might remember what I was wearing but I'm not sure :D

Chloe le Bopper
02-07-2003, 03:05 AM
I bought Deuce off the web last year as well - if I recall, it was about 24 bucks. But at the time it didnt' occur to me it would be on the newsstand.

I bought the womens one, Advantage, at the US Open for 8 bucks American. Turns out that I could have bought it here for 8 bucks Canada. Oh well :p

Chloe le Bopper
02-07-2003, 03:07 AM
I actually might not be on your tape - I was only at the first half and the last little bit of Kafel and Mirnyi - I dont' remember when and why I left... was it for David and Tommy? :confused:

I have no idea. It was long enough ago that I mix all the days up (I have it written down somewhere but it's not all that important).

TennisHack
02-07-2003, 03:18 AM
Originally posted by Rebecca
I actually might not be on your tape - I was only at the first half and the last little bit of Kafel and Mirnyi - I dont' remember when and why I left... was it for David and Tommy? :confused:

I have no idea. It was long enough ago that I mix all the days up (I have it written down somewhere but it's not all that important).

It's the first set tiebreak of Kafel's match.

This will be exciting :D (as if I didn't have enough work to bouy me down during those two weeks :rolleyes: )

I've been contemplating buying the women's media guide, because having the ATP guide was definitely useful (even used it with the story, natch!). But I don't follow women's tennis very closely so perhaps its not worth it.

I've never seen the women's magazine on a newsstand.

Lee
02-07-2003, 03:26 AM
Hi Becca, TH! :wavey:

Chloe le Bopper
02-07-2003, 03:30 AM
Hello again Lee.

Once again I have withered the day away and have not done any studying ... I'll surely be up till 3 or so, so at least I have another 4 and a half hours to get my ass in gear.

I am sure that I stayed long enough to see the first set tie break, so I should be there. I even remember where I was sitting - it isn't hard, seeing as I always sit in the same place if I can.

I don't pick the best seats for viewing the tennis - I've found that those seats that are higher up on the side that faces the umps chair and isn't behind it, are the best. Being higher up and on the end of the court is wonderful as well.

However nothing beat the picture taking experience of sitting smack behind the players chairs. Although the view of the match isn't quite as swell, since you have a couple obtructions to your view, it isn't so bad. Worth the sacrifice ;)

TennisHack
02-07-2003, 03:34 AM
:wavey: Lee

I've always imagined myself going to a tournament for the primo picture-taking seats, because I could watch tennis on TV anytime and have tons upon tons of tapes.

It's not very often that one is in the presence of her idols/future husbands :D

Lee
02-07-2003, 03:45 AM
Well, the Brit (Scot) managed to get 9 games from Mark P but with Mark being famous for his serve, not return of serve, it's not a big surprise but if he can get 9 games from Hewitt, I will really question the fitness of Potato.

TennisHack
02-07-2003, 03:52 AM
I'm heading out. See you guys tomorrow for a fun-filled day of DC cheering! :wavey:


GOOOOOO MICHA!!!!!! Don't let me down, dahling! :kiss:
:bounce::bounce::bounce:

GOOOOO SWISSIES!!! GO USA (I can't wait to see the James/Mario match! :D)!!!!!! GO RUSSIA!!!! GOO SPAIN!!!!!

Best of luck to all of my boys playing tomorrow :) I hope to wake up to good news :)

Nighty night, thread :wavey:

Puss-in-Boots
02-07-2003, 04:00 AM
Originally posted by Vera
I'm definitely the most shallow one here :o .

:wavey: thread! :)

LOL no.... I am King Shallow Deluxe. :p I'm one of those dreadful 'casual fans' that use the internet to get information/scores, and I got sucked into the chat threads here. I rarely post about tennis, but in general I try to abstain from discussing/debating things I know little about. :o

Lee
02-07-2003, 04:15 AM
Night TH! :wavey:

Hello Allan! :wavey:

Puss-in-Boots
02-07-2003, 04:33 AM
:wavey: Hello Lee! :) Still here?

Sorry.. I thought nobody was around and went to print something..

How are you?

Lee
02-07-2003, 04:36 AM
I was busy with my statistics. Just piss off with someone saying Peta and Andre win everything..... So I dig up the winners of 4 Slams from 1987-2002.

Puss-in-Boots
02-07-2003, 04:38 AM
LOL, I rarely read GM myself... :o

Lee
02-07-2003, 04:39 AM
I am pretty good although the ankles are on and off these days. My TKD master send all his students to the state tournament on March 1 (he is the VP of the state TKD association) which include sparring. The problem with my ankles prevent me from sparring practice so I will probably look like a real idiot during the tournament.

So, how is your day? Still busy?

Lee
02-07-2003, 04:41 AM
Originally posted by Dr. Peedy
LOL, I rarely read GM myself... :o

Well, it's not a big lost!

Lee
02-07-2003, 04:44 AM
This morning, after sending my son to school and get on board here, I saw your post here that you're going to bed. It's so weird that I just start my day while you're calling it a day. :p

Puss-in-Boots
02-07-2003, 04:46 AM
Originally posted by Lee
I am pretty good although the ankles are on and off these days. My TKD master send all his students to the state tournament on March 1 (he is the VP of the state TKD association) which include sparring. The problem with my ankles prevent me from sparring practice so I will probably look like a real idiot during the tournament.

So, how is your day? Still busy?

I hope everything works out OK with your ankles! :)

I was busier earlier today... was cooped up with my boss in his office working on a paper, but he's gone for a meeting, so I rushed online! :p

:rolleyes: @ GM .... the sex threads were a bit over the top, and now all the debates... I can't read them... IMO some of the issues people are trying to debate are just so subjective, and people keep arguing, and arguing, and arguing and the fight never ends...I guess that's why I'm into math... I like my strict true/false dichotomies....

Puss-in-Boots
02-07-2003, 04:49 AM
Originally posted by Lee
This morning, after sending my son to school and get on board here, I saw your post here that you're going to bed. It's so weird that I just start my day while you're calling it a day. :p

LOL, it is weird huh... a good online pal of mine is lives in the US also, and we've run into the same thing... it would be midnight my time and I'd be up late, whereas she'd just be getting up and yeah, she also had to get her kids up and ready for school too etc.!

Lee
02-07-2003, 04:53 AM
Originally posted by Dr. Peedy
:rolleyes: @ GM .... the sex threads were a bit over the top, and now all the debates... I can't read them... IMO some of the issues people are trying to debate are just so subjective, and people keep arguing, and arguing, and arguing and the fight never ends...I guess that's why I'm into math... I like my strict true/false dichotomies....

Well the sex threads are in the minority there now. The debate sometimes does get to the state of mud slinging but sometimes it's fun and/or get your blood boiling :D

Puss-in-Boots
02-07-2003, 04:59 AM
LOL... I dunno... I am not knowledgable enough about tennis to get my blood boiling when I read the debates...but the fact that for so many of them, there is no firm resolution/ absolute answer in sight really irritates me...

Lee
02-07-2003, 04:59 AM
Anyway, it's late here now. Bye! :wavey:

Puss-in-Boots
02-07-2003, 05:05 AM
Goodnight! :wavey:

Layla
02-07-2003, 08:50 AM
Morning everyone! :wavey:

I'm ready to cheer for Spain, France, Switzerland, Brazil, Russia, Germany and Croatia. :D I'd cheer for the Brits if I thought there was any hope. :(

Hewitt def. Bogdanovic 7-5 6-1 6-2

Layla
02-07-2003, 08:56 AM
Originally posted by TennisHack
Damn! The Americans lost another crucial supporter :sad:

According to the DC site, if Croatia meets Spain, it'll be drawn by lots as to who gets the surface choice.

I still want the US to win so I can see Juanqui on TV! :sad:

LOL, I was never going to cheer for the Americans. Wherever did you get that idea? ;) I can't possibly imagine cheering for Mardy Fish. :rolleyes:

When I said live, I meant in person. :D I'd go to Croatia for sure to cheer for the Spaniards. It would be a once in a lifetime opportunity to actually see them play live. :)

Francine
02-07-2003, 12:45 PM
:wavey:
Goooooo Juanqui :bounce:

Sjeng won the 1st and 2nd set but lost the 3rd 1-6 and is a break down in the 4rth :eek: What's he doing?!

Anway, the live scores oin the DC-site aren't working right now, so I have no idea what the scores are at the other ties.

Leo7
02-07-2003, 01:14 PM
Retired at age 22

In an interview published Friday, former world number one Martina Hingis said for her a return to tennis was "unimaginable", but the 22-year old Swiss, hampered by an ankle injury, stopped short of making her retirement official.

In an interview with French newspaper L'Equipe, Hingis repeated that she was no longer able to do what was required to play top-level professional tennis.

"A return to competition is unimagineable. But there you go... it is finished. Life goes on."

Asked does this mean she'll never return, she stopped short of making it official: "More or less, yes that's the truth. In any case, it's the truth right now, that's for sure."

Only Steffi Graf, Martina Navratilova, and Chris Evert have spent more weeks at number one than the Slovakian-born Swiss, whose five grand slams are on par with the tally of the current top woman in the game Serena Williams.

She blames her premature exit on her bad ankle, which never fully recovered after a second operation in May of last year. Hingis blames her grueling schedule, but does not blame WTA organisers: "The difficulty in my case comes from the fact that I regularly played finals for five years on hardcourt surfaces against 10 tens, but also top 20 and 30 [players]."

Hingis tells l'Equipe that when she tried practicing with fellow Swiss players Patty Schnyder and Myriam Casanova - who's now coached by Martina's mother - she felt the pain.

Known as a player who wore down her rivals rather than power past them, Hingis was asked what she thought of the Williams sisters: "Who can rival them today? Outside of Kim Clijsters, I don't see who. Kim can do it because physically, she's fit, she has the talent, and she has the game for that."

Currently enrolled in a University-level program in Zurich, Hingis says she now aims to perfect her English skills and possibly study marketing.

"In tennis, I stay in contact with Anna Kournikova and Monica Seles. Regrets? No regrets at all. Tennis has given me so much, a magnificent life!"

Farewell, Marti! you will be missed greatly. just think how one point could have changed all this.. but i think Davenport is right; Hingis' problems are mental, not physical.

Leo7
02-07-2003, 01:17 PM
Dementieva leads Hantuchova 7-5, 3-1 in the Paris quarters :eek: fight back, Dani!! she fought off 4 match points the last time she played Elena so she can still come back...

Sjeng and Michel are in a 5th set. come on Schalken! :bounce:

Leo7
02-07-2003, 01:28 PM
Daniela down 5-7, 2-5.. just about over :(

TennisHack
02-07-2003, 01:34 PM
OMG OMG OMG :eek: Michel pushed it to a fifth and has a break! OMG!!!!!!!

Leo7
02-07-2003, 01:42 PM
Daniela lost 5-7, 3-6 :sad: oh well, now Momo has to win Paris. Allez, Amelie!!

TennisHack
02-07-2003, 01:47 PM
Dammit, I'm a shitty good luck charm :sad: Michel had it until I came by. Now he's down 5-4 and serving to stay in the match :sad::sad::sad:

TennisHack
02-07-2003, 01:50 PM
Double fault! :sad: Oh, Michel :sad::sad::sad:

Francine
02-07-2003, 02:01 PM
:wavey:

:bounce: :bounce: Sjeng :bounce: :bounce:

Kratochvil double faulted after he had managed to get back from 0-40 to 30-40, after that point he just stood there for about 30 seconds doing nothing, just staring and a few minutes later I saw him complain to what I think what the, how do you call that, main-umpire? You no, what Mark Miles does at Wimbledon. Anyway, don't know what happened, but I think something took him out of his concentration during that 2nd serve.

Meanwhile I don't know where to get livescores and the 2nd tie in Sevilla is suspended due to rain :(

Lee
02-07-2003, 02:30 PM
Good morning TH and Francine! :wavey:

Layla
02-07-2003, 03:17 PM
Hi TH and Francine! :wavey:

I'm sorry about Michel TH! *hug* *hug* *hug* He did well to come back from 2-0 down, but unfortunately couldn't hold on to it.

Chloe le Bopper
02-07-2003, 04:44 PM
Question - what does it mean for the surface to be decided by lots? :confused:

BTW Layla, somebody posted in another forum that Spain would play Croatia in Spain...

Chloe le Bopper
02-07-2003, 04:47 PM
I must say, I'm really glad that I sat through possibley one of Hingis' last grand slam matches this year at the US Open.

We had debated seeing something else, but decided to stay for the Hingis Irvin match - which ended up being interesting (I found Marissa to be a little whiny and irritating, but I forgive her).

Lee
02-07-2003, 04:57 PM
I am ready to watch the so call LIVE DC matches on ESPN. Bye! :wavey:

Chloe le Bopper
02-07-2003, 05:09 PM
Bye Lee :)

Well so far my two favourite teams have been coasting. Spain got through this morning, and Argentina seems to be saying "take that Australia" in regards to who can lose the least games.

Lee
02-07-2003, 05:45 PM
Really bored by the first match between Ivan and Mardy. So come back here to check the score and

WOW! Andre Sa is up a break in second set although he lost the first.

Mardy upper thigh is wrapped so not sure whether this affect his performance?

Both Croatia and US are not wearing team jersey, not even with their countries name on the back. What a shame especially for Americans as they always claim to be patriotic!

Hewitt definitely can't wear the colour of green and yellow. He looks awful.

Lee
02-07-2003, 05:52 PM
*sign* The live scoreboard is down again! :fiery:

Puss-in-Boots
02-07-2003, 05:56 PM
:wavey: Lee! :)

I was at work while the Aus vs. GB matches were on :sad: but I saw some highlights on the news and yeah... green and gold is a bit... unfortunate.... he could do with a bit of a haircut too...

Lee
02-07-2003, 06:00 PM
Hi Allan! You are still up at this hour? Or is it very early in the morning for you?

Lee
02-07-2003, 06:05 PM
Originally posted by Dr. Peedy
:wavey: Lee! :)

I was at work while the Aus vs. GB matches were on :sad: but I saw some highlights on the news and yeah... green and gold is a bit... unfortunate.... he could do with a bit of a haircut too...

His hair is not that bad from the photo on draw day although it's a bit long at the back. I am not sure whether Nike make the tennis shirt just for Australia. The design is the same as the black and white we saw in almost all players in ao but this is the first time I see this colour combination.

Puss-in-Boots
02-07-2003, 06:07 PM
I went to bed and got up early this time! :)

Lee
02-07-2003, 06:30 PM
So, you are not yet at work?

Lee
02-07-2003, 06:30 PM
Oops! forget it's already weekend for you :o

Lee
02-07-2003, 06:53 PM
For TH! :sad:

Controversy Overshadows Finish of Fluctuating Five-Setter

A dramatic opening rubber in Arnhem ended in controversy, with Switzerlandís captain Marc Rosset and player Michel Kratochvil railing at the umpire and referee as Sjeng Schalken beat Kratochvil in five sets.

Schalkenís 6-3 7-5 1-6 4-6 6-4 victory was a remarkable contest played in good spirit between the two players, but a tiny unruly element in the passionate 10,000 crowd proved a constant irritation for the Swiss visitors, and when Kratochvil double-faulted on Schalkenís third match point as a spectator shouted during the ball toss, both player and captain went mad.

While Rosset is no stranger to expressing himself passionately, the normally mild-mannered Kratochvil slammed his racket into the ground and remained motionless with fury just inside his baseline. As the loudspeaker system blared out ďItís a Beautiful DayĒ, Rosset screamed at umpire Javier Moreno Perez and referee Brian Earley, ending his conversation with Earley by kicking a courtside refrigerator in frustration.

It would be wrong to blame Kratochvilís defeat on the cry from the crowd Ė he played a poor final game and failed to make a first serve on the three match points he faced. But it wasnít the first time he and Rosset had complained. On numerous occasions horns had gone off mid-point, and when Kratochvil dropped serve mid-way through the final set, the Swiss felt he should have had a replayed point after the crowd screamed out when one of his shots struck Schalkenís baseline.

After the match Kratochvil said: ďIím not a bad loser, having fought to the end, itís just a little disappointing to lose a match and to lose that way. I know that scream clearly disturbed me. Maybe if there was no scream I would have lost the point anyway, but at least I could then shake hands knowing itís OK. I just think we should have replayed the point.Ē

Schalken initially suggested Kratochvil was a bad loser, but quickly modified his stance. ďI never heard a shout, but if they heard it, then there was something. I think they have a point, but these things happen.Ē

The highly-charged end marred an otherwise fascinating contest, which Schalken did well to win. In many ways it seemed a shock when he opened up a two-sets lead, given that Kratochvil had been much the more aggressive player early on, and when the Swiss won the third set easily and went two breaks up in the fourth, it seemed a natural reward for his greater sense of initiative.

Perhaps he was too aggressive in the first two sets. He took the ball very early, and Schalkenís best tactic was to counter-punch from the baseline and make the most of his big serve on the medium-paced carpet. He did this to perfection in getting the only break of the first set in the fourth game. He then turned round a 2-5 deficit in the second set, including saving a Kratochvil set point at 3-5. And he turned the match round in the fifth as well.

Kratochvilís crisp strokemaking enabled him to break to love in the third game of the final set, and at 3-1 the visitors were heading for an unexpected early lead. But Kratochvil played a bad game at 3-2, and Schalken was back. With Kratochvil serving to stay in the match at 4-5, he made two unforced errors to go 0-40, and after the first match point some spectators threw celebration tennis balls onto the court thinking Schalken had won.

He hadnít, but Kratochvilís notorious double fault two points later sent the home supporters wild with delight, most of them probably unaware in their joy of the visiting teamís fury.


http://www.daviscup.com/shared/medialibrary/image/gallery/DC_1209_gallery.JPG

Vera
02-07-2003, 07:10 PM
Congrats to Spain and France :kiss:, phew for Russia (C'mon). And I'm torn between USA and Croatia. The only reason for cheering for the US is bcos they face Spain next time :D, I might got to watch it ;). But it's tough to cheer against Goran and Mario, and I like Ivan too :).

Anyway, may all my fave teams win :bounce:

:wavey:

Puss-in-Boots
02-07-2003, 07:18 PM
Oops, sorry Lee! :o I thought you had left... yeah it's now the weekend for me! :D

:wavey: everyone again! :)

Lee
02-07-2003, 07:18 PM
James is finally on so off I go again! bye thread :wavey:

Puss-in-Boots
02-07-2003, 07:20 PM
LOL!!!

:wavey: Bye Lee! :)

TennisHack
02-07-2003, 07:22 PM
Originally posted by xxfrancine
Kratochvil double faulted after he had managed to get back from 0-40 to 30-40, after that point he just stood there for about 30 seconds doing nothing, just staring and a few minutes later I saw him complain to what I think what the, how do you call that, main-umpire? You no, what Mark Miles does at Wimbledon. Anyway, don't know what happened, but I think something took him out of his concentration during that 2nd serve.


This has probably already been addressed in this thread, but I'm going to give my two cents anyway. I, too, thought Michel just lost himself but apparently a very obnoxious segment of the crowd was intent on destroying Michel's concentration, as they were screaming and yelling during points and especially when Michel was trying to serve. He was standing there, fuming in anger at the end of the match, because he thought the point should have been replayed. He might have still lost, but at least it would have been fair.

And SJENG :fiery: calling Michel a sore loser for complaining about the crowd. This isn't the fucking 1970s in Romania. I've never been angry at Schalken but that was fucking uncalled for.

TennisHack
02-07-2003, 07:29 PM
Originally posted by Rebecca
Question - what does it mean for the surface to be decided by lots? :confused:

It means bascially, they would draw straws for it. Drawing lots? Same difference.

TennisHack
02-07-2003, 08:21 PM
Where is everyone this afternoon? :(

The Croatian DC team (for Layla)

ILR
02-07-2003, 08:42 PM
well Im here now ;):wavey:

just post checking!

TennisHack
02-07-2003, 08:45 PM
:wavey: ILR!

Updating my website ;)

ILR
02-07-2003, 08:53 PM
:wavey: Hackie

so you wont be around much then?;) and the Brits down already!:o Oh well,I guess its no more than anyone expected.And the Swissies!:( Come on boys :) I think I got British action tonight,but later on,might not even be up then!

Chloe le Bopper
02-07-2003, 08:56 PM
Good lord is the croat team tall! Goran is looking average standing there!

I didn't realize that Mario was taller than him - perhaps Goran is slouching?

Chloe le Bopper
02-07-2003, 09:00 PM
It means bascially, they would draw straws for it. Drawing lots? Same difference.

Right... then why is it that whenever a country plays at home they always play on their prefered surface?

Granted I've only been following Davis Cup for 3 years now, but I dont' ever remember a situation where the home team played on their worst surface.

Did I misunderstand you?

Sjengster
02-07-2003, 09:00 PM
Originally posted by TennisHack
Where is everyone this afternoon? :(

Well, I've been watching the first day of Sweden vs Brazil, and to say the least the Bjorkman-Sa rubber was a high-quality match - three and a half hours of drama which Bjorkman really should have won earlier.

Amazing to read about the Schalken-Kratochvil match, I saw the result but I never realised all the twists and turns that went on throughout and I certainly had no idea Michel was up a break in the final set - he must be kicking himself.

However, that kind of interference from the crowd on match point is unforgiveable, and I'm sure Schalken realised that that was the reason for Kratochvil's fury at the end rather than him being a sore loser. Trouble is, the players have little control over their own supporters, but the umpire does, and he should certainly have kept them under control.

And as for playing that music at the end :eek: - if you want to get on the wrong side of your opponents, that's the way to do it! Still, this was an important match for the Sjengster to win and I'm glad he pulled it out, and at least Roger made a point for the Swiss by beating Sluiter with surprising ease, so it's all set up nicely for tomorrow.

TennisHack
02-07-2003, 09:00 PM
LOL, I'm here :D

Becca -- Goran looks downright tiny, doesn't he? He also looks like he's lost weight :( I don't know if this is a good thing or not, but check out another picture from practice:

http://www.daviscup.com/shared/medialibrary/image/gallery/DC_1191_gallery.JPG

TennisHack
02-07-2003, 09:02 PM
Originally posted by Rebecca
Right... then why is it that whenever a country plays at home they always play on their prefered surface?

Granted I've only been following Davis Cup for 3 years now, but I dont' ever remember a situation where the home team played on their worst surface.

Did I misunderstand you?


No no no, I mean, they'd draw lots for where the tie was held, since both currently have home advantage and will host the US or Belgium if those teams win.

Chloe le Bopper
02-07-2003, 09:04 PM
Right - sorry I thought that it was already decided that it would be in Spain for some reason. I think that somebody wrote that somwhere - that doesn't mean that they were correct ;)

Regardless, that makes far more sense then what I thought you meant.

ILR
02-07-2003, 09:04 PM
oh,still here then Hackie?;) good.Goran looks kinda cute there!:p:o

Chloe le Bopper
02-07-2003, 09:07 PM
Goran doensn't look that much lighter to me, but he's always been rather gangly and skinny anyhow.

I was just astounded at the height of team Croatia - I knew that they were all tall, but that really put it in perspective.

TennisHack
02-07-2003, 09:08 PM
Originally posted by Sjengster
Still, this was an important match for the Sjengster to win and I'm glad he pulled it out, and at least Roger made a point for the Swiss by beating Sluiter with surprising ease, so it's all set up nicely for tomorrow.

I'm glad you're not going to fight me about the match point, Sjengster, because I am still outraged about what happened.

Schalken reportedly had to take painkillers to get through the match, and "looked much worse than Kratochvil" at the end, so I'm guessing there's the possibility that Verkerk may play reverse singles in his place.

On the other hand, I'm hoping that Michel will take this fire and light his way to victory in the last singles match, preferably against Sluiter. Apparently he was playing very well, striking the ball with clean precision but went a little overboard in the last set (along with the crowd trying to unnerve him and ultimately succeeding :fiery: ). He owns Sluiter in their head to head and besides, I really want to change my avatar ;)

But if he's playing this well, to push Schalken to 5 and even take a set 6-1, I look forward to Marseille next week! :) Hopefully he can bring up his ranking because its downright pathetic right now :(

Chloe le Bopper
02-07-2003, 09:09 PM
Sjengster - did you happen to catch Guga vs Vinciguerra as well? Is Guga's form that good, or was Andreas just that bad? Even when Andreas was at his best a couple years ago I seem to recall that Guga beat him with ease, so this result didn't come as a surprise.

As I said in the Davis Cup forum, if Thomas E is healthy they should seriously consider putting him in for singles on the last day - perhaps that is what they were saving him for? Does anybody know about his current state?

Lee
02-07-2003, 09:10 PM
Hi everybody! :wavey:

Just came back from watching James and he's playing great.

TennisHack
02-07-2003, 09:11 PM
Just to round it out with the pictures, here's team USA. Congrats to James for such a easily-earned victory! :)

TennisHack
02-07-2003, 09:12 PM
Rosset in the Thick of Things on Opening Day as Captain

Marc Rosset's first active day as Swiss Davis Cup captain was never going to be dull, but it had enough emotion to leave him remonstrating with officials and kicking a refrigerator in frustration.

No stranger to expressing himself passionately, Rosset found himself and his No. 2 singles player Michel Kratochvil railing at the umpire and referee at the end of the opening rubber, in which the Swiss had lost to the Netherlands' top player Sjeng Schalken in five sets.

Yet at the end of the day Rosset was needed only as a towel-boy for his top player Roger Federer, who gave a veritable masterclass in demolishing Raemon Sluiter, a result which leaves this fascinating tie finely balanced after the opening day.

Schalken's 63 75 16 46 64 victory over Kratochvil was a remarkable contest played in good spirit between the two men, but a tiny unruly element in the passionate 10,000-strong crowd proved a constant irritation for the Swiss visitors, and when Kratochvil double-faulted on Schalken's third match point as a spectator shouted during the ball toss, both player and captain went mad.

The normally mild-mannered Kratochvil slammed his racket into the ground and remained motionless with fury just inside his baseline. After shaking Schalken's hand, he joined Rosset in screaming at umpire Javier Moreno Perez and Referee Brian Earley. After speaking with Earley, Rosset kicked a courtside refrigerator.

"I'm really annoyed with him," said Rosset after the second singles. "Of course there will be crowd involvement in Davis Cup but all we want is for him to be fair. There are rules in Davis Cup you can use, and he didn't use them. The last point should have been replayed."

Kratochvil was slightly more moderate. "I'm not a bad loser," he said, "but having fought to the end, it's just a little disappointing to lose a match that way. I know that scream clearly disturbed me. Maybe if there was no scream I would have lost the point anyway, but at least I could then shake hands knowing it's OK. I just think we should have replayed the point."

Though the Swiss has a case - and there were other points which involved unwelcome contributions from the stands - it would be wrong to blame his defeat on the crowd. He played a poor final game and failed to make a first serve on the three match points he faced.

The highly-charged end marred an otherwise fascinating contest, which Schalken did well to win. In many ways it seemed a shock when he opened up a two-sets lead, given that Kratochvil had been much the more aggressive player early on, and when the Swiss used his crisp strokemaking to win the third and fourth sets comfortably and go 31 up in the fifth, he looked the likely winner.

But Kratochvil played a bad game at 32, and Schalken was back. With Kratochvil serving to stay in the match at 4-5, he made two unforced errors to go 0-40, and after the first match point some spectators threw celebration tennis balls onto the court thinking Schalken had won. He hadn't, but Kratochvil's notorious double fault two points later sent the home supporters wild with delight.

There was no scope for controversy in the second singles - Federer was just too good for that, and the 62 61 63 scoreline testifies to the fact that he was everywhere.

He was two sets up after just 49 minutes, and in the opening game of the third set Sluiter was utterly demoralised by failing to win a point he had played perfectly. He ran Federer around every square centimetre of the court, and thought he had won the point with a precise backhand down the line. But with virtually the entire crowd ready to applaud the home player's court craft, Federer scurried across his baseline to conjure up a stunning crosscourt pass. Sluiter threw down his racket in resignation in a gesture which spoke volumes for the futility of his task.

The two results leave the tie level, but with the Swiss probably feeling better. Federer expended very little energy in his 85-minute match, while Schalken looked much worse than Kratochvil after their three hours 39 minutes of play. With Federer in this form, it seems vital for the Dutch to win the doubles if they are to have any chance of reaching the quarterfinals.

TennisHack
02-07-2003, 09:13 PM
Interesting -- the DC site says that Haarhuis/Verkerk will play Federer/Bastl in the doubles . . .

Chloe le Bopper
02-07-2003, 09:16 PM
Glad to here that verkerk will get to play, he earned it.

Unrelated, but whoever told Robbie Ginepri to just say no to shaving, needs to be shot.

ILR
02-07-2003, 09:16 PM
:wavey: Lee :)

ILR
02-07-2003, 09:17 PM
Originally posted by Rebecca
Glad to here that verkerk will get to play, he earned it.

Unrelated, but whoever told Robbie Ginepri to just say no to shaving, needs to be shot.

ha ha!seconded ;)

Lee
02-07-2003, 09:20 PM
Originally posted by TennisHack
Interesting -- the DC site says that Haarhuis/Verkerk will play Federer/Bastl in the doubles . . .

Why TH?

Rosset hasn't actually nominated himself for a playing role, opting for Roger Federer and Michel Kratochvil for the opening day's singles, and Federer partnering George Bastl in the doubles. But he says he is an option for the doubles, either with Federer or Bastl.

this is from the news coming out on draw day

Lee
02-07-2003, 09:23 PM
Originally posted by Rebecca
Unrelated, but whoever told Robbie Ginepri to just say no to shaving, needs to be shot.

See, now he get your attention! ;)

Sjengster
02-07-2003, 09:24 PM
Hi Rebecca - yes, I did see the first match and Kuerten was playing extremely well, but it was really a mismatch. Ironically enough when you consider the two countries, Guga's game was actually a lot more effective, harder and flatter on this indoor surface than Vinciguerra's, who played with too much spin, didn't get enough penetration on his shots and, it was pointed out, never really settled into the match all the way through.

The match really turned Kuerten's way when he broke Vinciguerra at 4-4 in the second set after a massive long deuce game when Andreas had several game points; on break point, instead of smashing an overhead he tried tapping a forehand volley over and ended up dumping it in the net, a sign of his lack of confidence.

Mind you, Kuerten looked very confident and determined - he was serving at 74% in the first set and the closest service game he had in the whole match was once when he was taken to 30-30. And the dropshots - he kept doing them at the right moments when Vinciguerra was off-balance, and they all worked perfectly.

It was pretty dull due to its one-sidedness to be honest, but the second match... now there was a classic encounter. I get the feeling that if Bjorkman had a little more outright power to his game he'd have taken care of Sa far more easily than he did, but it was still a brilliant battle. There were tons of net points from both players, volleys and passing winners, and they certainly used the whole court.

I'm not normally much of a fan of Bjorkman but I was rooting for him on this one as I wanted Sweden to get level, but he really made heavy weather of it. There were 4 breaks in the first match, all to Kuerten, and 18 during this one, and it was the most animated I've ever seen Bjorkman - pumped fists, he-man gestures, posturing to the crowd. It got him through, though!

Chloe le Bopper
02-07-2003, 09:26 PM
He did get my attention, but only because I was wondering "who the hell is that with Mardy, James, and Taylor? oohhhhhh"

I'm still in shock. Somebody needs to mail that boy a razor pronto!

You see - I need no encouragement to be shallow afterall :)

TennisHack
02-07-2003, 09:28 PM
Originally posted by Lee
Why TH?

No clue, that's just what was on the tie detail page.

Sorry I disappeared, but we had an unscheduled fire alarm :rolleyes:

TennisHack
02-07-2003, 09:29 PM
And now I'm being pulled out to dinner.

See you guys later :wavey:

Chloe le Bopper
02-07-2003, 09:29 PM
Sjengster - thanks for the review of the Brazil/Sweeden tie. I'm still curious what they are going to do about the singles on Sunday. You haven't heard anything about how Enqvist's shoulder is, have you?

If it came down to a fifth rubber, how do you like Andreas' chances against Sa? *gulp*

Lee
02-07-2003, 09:32 PM
Sjengster, thanks for the info. Base on the stat I believe Guga's playing very well but still may not be correct.

Chloe le Bopper
02-07-2003, 09:32 PM
TH, at least your fire alarms are during the day. We had two one night - the first was at 230am, the next was at about 320am.

Combine that with the fact that i have not been able to wake up on my own accord in recent memory and this explains my choice to never live in evil dirty residence again.

People seem to think that anytime of the morning - wether it be 2am or 9am - is a good time to blare music and have their friends hang outside my door.

One of these days, it's going ot get ugly. I'm not a nice person when my sleep has been disturbed :)

Lee
02-07-2003, 09:33 PM
Bye TH! :wavey:

Sjengster
02-07-2003, 09:34 PM
There hasn't been anything definite on the state of Enqvist for the final day, but the fact that he could be used suggests that he's probably fit enough to give it a try. The Sky commentators all agreed that what with Bjorkman playing doubles tomorrow as well as a five-setter today, it would be better to put Enqvist and Larsson in as singles players on Sunday.

In fact, they were questioning why Larsson wasn't put in instead of Vinciguerra to play Kuerten - after all Magnus has a big serve and an absolutely huge forehand, and the carpet surface was layed down with him and Enqvist in mind rather than "Vinci". I certainly wouldn't give Vinciguerra much hope against Sa; the way their games match up the surface doesn't really matter, and Sa really fought right till the bitter end today even though he lost.

ILR
02-07-2003, 09:34 PM
see ya later Hackie :wavey:

How can anyone not agree wiwth you there Becca!:p all shallow ;)

Lee
02-07-2003, 09:41 PM
Start wondering where is Dissident? He's been missing for a few days already.

Chloe le Bopper
02-07-2003, 09:43 PM
Well hopefully you are right, and they will put Larsson and Enqvist in.

They better pray for the doubles though, as I'm not sure I see either beating Guga - if his form is as it sounds.

*sigh*

Well at least my other teams are doign well - funny that everybody is mocking the brits but hasn't paid much notice to the fact that Germany has won just as few games ;)

Lee
02-07-2003, 09:43 PM
The pic is a bit late. Liverpool losing 2-0 to Crystal Palace. I still wondering how they could do it.

http://photo.eastday.com/epublish/gb/paper5/20030206/class000500004/image/img878713_1.jpg

ILR
02-07-2003, 09:47 PM
:sad: please dont Lee!:(:( If we won it would have been a nice pic ;) You wouldnt believe the amount of stick I got!:o

Sjengster
02-07-2003, 09:54 PM
Yes, I saw the result of that Gaudio-Schuettler rubber and could barely believe it - I know he was always favoured over Schuettler on clay and with home support, but to give him that kind of drubbing... both Mackin and Bogdanovic got more games overall.

However, according to the reports, there was heavy rain that delayed the match and wind that made the conditions extremely slow, and apparently it was hardly a classic with both players making tons of unforced errors. Gaudio said the heavier surface helped him, but I think it was the Argentine crowd that helped above all else. Honestly, they're twice as vocal and intimidating as the Spanish could ever be.

Ironically, I was actually expecting Nalbandian-Burgsmuller to be complete slaughter (just by the look of Bursgmuller, you'd never guess the guy managed to beat Guga on clay last year and win a title) but the last two sets were pretty close: 7-6, 7-5. Does anyone know whether Argentina will have home advantage against either Russia or the Czechs in the next round?

Lee
02-07-2003, 09:58 PM
Originally posted by IluvRogi
:sad: please dont Lee!:(:( If we won it would have been a nice pic ;) You wouldnt believe the amount of stick I got!:o

Sorry Emma! :(

ILR
02-07-2003, 10:00 PM
Originally posted by Lee
Sorry Emma! :(

lol its OK!:) sometimes it just hurts you know?:p awww poor me,I almost begin to feel sorry for myself!:o Im glad you post all these pics!:) Thats Bruno Cheyrou incase you wondered,not having the best of seasons,lets put it that way!;)

RogiFan
02-07-2003, 10:10 PM
:p Sjengster, that "Bad fortune to..." is too much!! :p I could do quite a dissertation on my "Bad fortune" list!!

TTFN!

Hi Lee!

Lee
02-07-2003, 10:10 PM
Originally posted by Sjengster
Does anyone know whether Argentina will have home advantage against either Russia or the Czechs in the next round?

I'm not sure but Argentina visit Russia in last year's DC tie so if they meet again, the tie should play in Argentina. I am not sure about Czechs. Argentina played Slova Republic in 1998 and Czechoslovakia in 1987 but never play Czech Republic.

Lee
02-07-2003, 10:14 PM
Hi RF! :wavey:

That pic of Rogi from DC is very nice! It's so funny in the article that said Rosset was just a towel boy for Rogi during the match!

Chloe le Bopper
02-07-2003, 10:14 PM
I'm kind of hoping that Russia doesn't get through.. because even if they play Argentina on clay in Argentina, that is a tough tie. Apparently Mikhail's best surface is clay (so says TBE), and Safin could very well win the entire thing himself.

So as an Argentina supporter, I'm hoping they play the Czechs at home, but I'm not certain how that would be decided.

Lee
02-07-2003, 10:16 PM
Originally posted by IluvRogi
lol its OK!:) sometimes it just hurts you know?:p awww poor me,I almost begin to feel sorry for myself!:o Im glad you post all these pics!:) Thats Bruno Cheyrou incase you wondered,not having the best of seasons,lets put it that way!;)

The caption to those pix always mention who the Liverpool guys were but in Chinese, unless I already know the players name, I have absolutely no idea what the guys name.

Chloe le Bopper
02-07-2003, 10:16 PM
I was also surprised to see that Gaudio won so easily - and after how David started out, I was sure that he was going to roll over Lars as well.

I heard from Lucas Arg (a poster who was at the tie) that David wasnt' playing all that well either, that it was a bit of an ugly match?

Regardless - ugly or not, they got the wins. Hopefully David and Lucas can repeat their previous doubles success. I still can't get over that doubles tie from last year... especially since as far as I know, David isn't your prototype doubles player :o

ILR
02-07-2003, 10:18 PM
Originally posted by Lee
The caption to those pix always mention who the Liverpool guys were but in Chinese, unless I already know the players name, I have absolutely no idea what the guys name.

oh well you probably wont know him,hes not one of the most famous players ;)

Lee
02-07-2003, 10:20 PM
I talked to Allan earlier today that how awful Potato look in his Australia colour. May be you girls can judge it yourselves here!

http://www.daviscup.com/shared/medialibrary/image/gallery/DC_1181_gallery.JPG

ILR
02-07-2003, 10:22 PM
he doesnt look much worse than usual ;) lol nah seriously,the black cap doesnt match though!

TennisHack
02-07-2003, 11:14 PM
Originally posted by Rebecca
TH, at least your fire alarms are during the day. We had two one night - the first was at 230am, the next was at about 320am.

Combine that with the fact that i have not been able to wake up on my own accord in recent memory and this explains my choice to never live in evil dirty residence again.

People seem to think that anytime of the morning - wether it be 2am or 9am - is a good time to blare music and have their friends hang outside my door.

One of these days, it's going ot get ugly. I'm not a nice person when my sleep has been disturbed :)

Last year in this building, there was a span of 14 fire alarms -- all at night -- within three weeks :rolleyes: It was ridiculous. This year, we've only had the scheduled ones but apparently the one I went out for was the second one of the day, so some people are fearing the fire alarm puller is back :eek:

Either way, it's really fucking cold outside so it doesn't matter that it was also daylight :fiery:

TennisHack
02-07-2003, 11:16 PM
Originally posted by Lee
Start wondering where is Dissident? He's been missing for a few days already.

I know, I was going to post the same thing! :sad: I can't believe he'd miss the Brasilian DC tie :eek::eek:

Come back to us, Diss! :sad:

And Vaiva's been missing in action as well :(

Lee
02-07-2003, 11:20 PM
Originally posted by TennisHack
And Vaiva's been missing in action as well :(

vaiva did post in DC thread today and had a little chat with Layla. She is just like Layla buried under 10 feet of work.

TennisHack
02-07-2003, 11:20 PM
Lee, Potatoman can't pull off yellow, but good for him for being patriotic. Apparently Spain, Belgium, USA, and Croatia aren't wearing their country's colors :( which is a pity. Don't know about the Dutchies but they aren't wearing orange, that's for sure :D

TennisHack
02-07-2003, 11:22 PM
Originally posted by Lee
vaiva did post in DC thread today and had a little chat with Layla. She is just like Layla buried under 10 feet of work.

Indeed, I knew she'd be under the trenches like Layla. :(

I just wish I knew where Diss was :( He showed up again, only to disappear :(

Lee
02-07-2003, 11:22 PM
And the British double team break Hewitt/Woodbridge in the first game of 3rd set :eek: but they are still down 2 sets 6-1 6-3.

Lee
02-07-2003, 11:24 PM
Just think a miracle may happen that they have a set in DC tie, the Australians broke back.

TennisHack
02-07-2003, 11:48 PM
For those of you who don't frequent WTAWorld, or read General Messages, something happened to TheBoiledEgg (http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=55851) on Wednesday, hence the fact that he hasn't been around. There is a thread here in GM, but what I've linked is the thread at WTAWorld, if you'd like to say anything to him.

Eggy has always been right at the top of the posters here, witty and smart and a wicked sense of humor. It's tragic that something happened and I will miss him a great deal :sad:

Lee
02-07-2003, 11:54 PM
The Brits manage to win a set!

Lee
02-08-2003, 12:04 AM
Bye everybody! :wavey:

TennisHack
02-08-2003, 12:07 AM
:wavey: Bye, Lee

Leo7
02-08-2003, 01:09 AM
could you guys do me a quick favor? just sign your name (it can be a fake name) and email address at this site..

http://www.freaksandgeeks.com/dvd/

i want my Freaks and Geeks on DVD!! :bounce:

Lee
02-08-2003, 01:28 AM
Hi! I'm back again! :wavey:

Originally posted by Leo7
could you guys do me a quick favor? just sign your name (it can be a fake name) and email address at this site..

http://www.freaksandgeeks.com/dvd/

i want my Freaks and Geeks on DVD!! :bounce:

Done! :D :D

Leo7
02-08-2003, 01:30 AM
:wavey: thanks Lee. every signature makes a difference! :bounce:

Lee
02-08-2003, 01:33 AM
So Leo, are you a freak or a geek? :D :D j/k

Leo7
02-08-2003, 01:38 AM
Originally posted by Lee
So Leo, are you a freak or a geek? :D :D j/k

lol i think a little bit of both ;) and you?

Leo7
02-08-2003, 01:39 AM
Drats, I'm getting kicked off the computer. :( goodnight Lee! :wavey:

Lee
02-08-2003, 01:40 AM
I am neither freak nor geek! Goodnight! :wavey:

Lee
02-08-2003, 02:40 AM
Emma, I think this pic is funny! I don't know when or what time Liverpool was playing though.

http://full.mingpaonews.com/20030208/08spx.gif