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ILR
02-04-2003, 09:19 PM
oh yeah thats OK :) I have to go now its nearly time for bed ;) :wavey:

RogiFan
02-04-2003, 09:37 PM
Bye ILR, Vera!!;)

TennisHack
02-04-2003, 11:27 PM
Originally posted by RogiFan
:) About Micha:

He and his former coach separated because Micha needed someone who can devote himself fulltime to his coaching and training. Apparently, Vojko Fersch has increasing commitments, both professional and personal (family), that he could not commit 100% to Micha's career. So Micha will take his time finding a new coach, which he hopes he'll have by TMS Miami. Sounds like the separation was amicable [sounds like a divorce!].
;)

I can handle that ;) Personal comforter to the rescue! :)

It's just sad that he hasn't had better luck with his coaches. 3 in the past three years :( I hope he can find someone who will push him but not alienate him. It seems to me like this has been a problem in the past.

TennisHack
02-04-2003, 11:31 PM
Originally posted by RogiFan
As for Juanqui's coach... well I wonder about him sometimes... I think it w help if Juanqui had a second coach to help him on other surfaces, i.e., grass mostly. Why not?? Can Martinez help him on grass?? Who knows? Just some thoughts...

Well, Juan Carlos has been with Antonio since he was 9, so I can't see them parting ways any time in the near future . . . they are much like Guga & Larri, honing and refining the relationship.

I don't see the point in trying to hone and work more on grass -- its only 4 weeks of the year (not counting Newport). His hardcourt game is more important to me -- and as we have seen, a hardcourt game can be used to win Wimbly (see: Hewitt) if the draw is soft enough :D

TennisHack
02-04-2003, 11:32 PM
Originally posted by Vera
Back from the Doc, no serious nerve and whatever "C" tunnel problem, can't tell me why my arm is so bad now :(. So doc ordered more painkiller and rest. Thanks for all you best wishes, I hope it will get better soon.

Well, it's good that its nothing serious (pinched nerve or carpal tunnel syndrome), but at the same time frustrating :( Well, hopefully the new meds will help. I hope you feel better soon!

TennisHack
02-05-2003, 01:10 AM
More good news for Layla: Maja Matevzic d. Marion Bartoli 6-3, 6-4 in Paris.

She plays Dani next :eek:

TennisHack
02-05-2003, 01:11 AM
For Leo:

Pierce wins; Fernandez falls at Indian Open

Hyderabad, India (Sports Network) - Former top-10 star Mary Pierce of France advanced Tuesday, but top-seeded Argentine Clarisa Fernandez was among the upset victims in opening-round action at the inaugural $140,000 WTA Indian Open.

The fourth-seeded Pierce needed all three sets to sneak past China's Jie Zheng, 6-3, 0-6, 6-3, while Japan's Akiko Morigami ridded the tournament of its top seed with a 6-2, 6-4 decision over Fernandez, last year's surprise French Open semifinalist.

Pierce, a former Australian Open and French Open titlist who is currently ranked 49th in the world, will meet unheralded Aussie Evie Dominikovic in the round of 16.

Day 2's other upset occurred when Israeli Tzipora Obziler erased third-seeded Russian Elena Likhovtseva, 6-2, 6-3, on the outdoor hardcourts at Fateh Maidan Tennis Complex.

Two other seeds avoided the upset bug, as second-seeded Thai Tamarine Tanasugarn outlasted the Ukraine's Yulia Beygelzimer, 6-4, 4-6, 6-4, and fifth-seeded Iroda Tulyaganova of Uzbekistan topped Hungarian Katalin Marosi, 6-3, 6-3.

Tanasugarn, the highest-remaining seed in the draw, will face tough Belarusian Tatiana Poutchek in her next match.

Tuesday's other first-round winners were Dominikovic, Poutchek, Italian Flavia Pennetta, China's Tian Tian Sun, Japan's Saori Obata and Russian Maria Kirilenko.

This week's champion will earn $22,000.

TennisHack
02-05-2003, 02:17 AM
For DP:

Are Elijah Wood & Dominic Monaghan really a gay couple, afraid of coming out? (http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/23298)

Conspiracy theories here (http://www.bagendinn.com/signs.htm) as well as the yellow linked text on MeFi.

Lee
02-05-2003, 02:55 AM
Hi TH! :wavey:

Originally posted by TennisHack

Hyderabad, India (Sports Network) - Former top-10 star Mary Pierce of France advanced Tuesday, but top-seeded Argentine Clarisa Fernandez was among the upset victims in opening-round action at the inaugural $140,000 WTA Indian Open.

The fourth-seeded Pierce needed all three sets to sneak past China's Jie Zheng, 6-3, 0-6, 6-3, while Japan's Akiko Morigami ridded the tournament of its top seed with a 6-2, 6-4 decision over Fernandez, last year's surprise French Open semifinalist.

Pierce, a former Australian Open and French Open titlist who is currently ranked 49th in the world, will meet unheralded Aussie Evie Dominikovic in the round of 16.



Mary won her match but have a goose egg in the second set. I doubt other than physically out of form, her mentality is also in question?

Lee
02-05-2003, 02:57 AM
Some of the GM threads are like mud slinging competition now. :eek:

Lee
02-05-2003, 02:58 AM
Originally posted by Vera
Hi Guys :wavey:

Back from the Doc, no serious nerve and whatever "C" tunnel problem, can't tell me why my arm is so bad now :(. So doc ordered more painkiller and rest. Thanks for all you best wishes, I hope it will get better soon.

Sounds exactly like my doc in Calgary. Hopefully the painkiller and rest will do the trick. Has your doc suggest any exercise or seeing a physiotherapist?

TennisHack
02-05-2003, 03:00 AM
GM :rolleyes: It's hard to see the point sometimes.

But nice to watch people self-destruct :D

Lee
02-05-2003, 03:02 AM
Originally posted by TennisHack
Well, Juan Carlos has been with Antonio since he was 9, so I can't see them parting ways any time in the near future . . . they are much like Guga & Larri, honing and refining the relationship.

I don't see the point in trying to hone and work more on grass -- its only 4 weeks of the year (not counting Newport). His hardcourt game is more important to me -- and as we have seen, a hardcourt game can be used to win Wimbly (see: Hewitt) if the draw is soft enough :D

I agree with you TH! Juanqui has a pretty good and complete game right now! He just need to improve his mentality and do better on what he is doing now.

Lee
02-05-2003, 03:03 AM
Originally posted by TennisHack
GM :rolleyes: It's hard to see the point sometimes.

But nice to watch people self-destruct :D

Yes, I still can't figure out what Mrs Guga is talking about.:confused:

TennisHack
02-05-2003, 03:08 AM
Mrs G, along with Tennis Fool -- just defy explanation. Mentally unstable, perhaps? No, that's an insult to the mentally unstable people of this world.

Lee
02-05-2003, 03:31 AM
Go through a few more GM thread and glad I promise myself not to post there :D

Goodnight TH! :wavey:

TennisHack
02-05-2003, 03:37 AM
Goodnight :wavey:

Wow, its been quiet tonight :(

Puss-in-Boots
02-05-2003, 04:02 AM
:wavey: everyone! :D

Had quite a good day today... my boss was going to Melbourne today and I needed to go there too so he gave me a lift up there. I got to the immigration department and got an information book (note: book, not booklet) and a massive pile of forms that I'll have to start filling in for my permanent residency visa. OK, well that wasn't the good part of my day.

I got the train back to Geelong, and decided to wander around the shops a bit. I found the FOTR soundtrack (have TTT already, but not FOTR) so I bought that.... then I got some contact lens solution (woohoo! something practical!)... then, on a whim, I bought the 4-disc extended DVD edition of FOTR. This is a HUGE impulse buy, because I don't actually have a DVD player just yet .:o :o (working on that...)

Then I decided to stop by a bookshop, just to see if they stocked the Silmarillion (I had a copy several years back, but I lent it to a dorm mate in 2000 and that punk never returned it. Ass.). They did, but not only that, they also had the History of Middle-Earth series (OMG, these are quite hard to get)... and there, in front of me, was HoME #5 (The Lost Road and Other Writings)...which includes in it 'The Entymologies'... which, according to what I've read, is absolutely indispensable to any serious student of Elvish. I hope I only *imagined* my shout of joy! On top of that I also got 'Unfinished Tales'. But that's not all... they had a 30% off sale today! :D And.... I also preordered my copy of the 5th Harry Potter book. I love that bookshop. :D

Oh well.. I just realized that I forgot to stop by the poster shop to see if they had any new Legolas posters... but it was still quite a good day for me! :D

Thanks for the link TH :) ... will have a peek at it... but, I'm actually not interested in any of the actors (not even Bloom)... I'm just infatuated with the elf persona.

*hugs* for Layla and Vera... hope you two get completely well soon! :)

:wavey: for Lee and everyone else too! :)

TennisHack
02-05-2003, 04:08 AM
:wavey: DP before I head out.

LOL, I'm not interested in the sexual orientaton of the actors, either, but apparently most of the "proof" is tied to the films so I thought you'd get a kick out of it ;)

So nice to hear you had a wonderful day! :) I almost did, and . . . well, did in a roundabout way (this will all become clearer in the future if I play my cards right). Not as great as yours, though. Totally know the feeling of finding some rare and amazing book :D

Chloe le Bopper
02-05-2003, 04:56 AM
Mrs G, along with Tennis Fool -- just defy explanation. Mentally unstable, perhaps? No, that's an insult to the mentally unstable people of this world.

I don't think that either is unstable.

Perhaps just bored individuals who take pleasure in their weak attempts at winding people up.

Frankly I enjoy to keep talking at people like this, as they continue to foam at the mouth and sound idiotic.

That's the view from here ;)

Lee
02-05-2003, 05:02 AM
Becca, I think TF has a crush on you! :D

Layla
02-05-2003, 01:30 PM
Hi everyone! :wavey:

I handed in my translation this morning (I finished it at 4 a.m. :rolleyes: ) and now I'm completely wiped out. I don't remember ever being so exhausted. I even tried to go back to sleep but couldn't really pull it off. And of course now I have to write ALL the horrorscopes for this week, and I tomorrow I get another text to translate, and then another, and another, and anohter...

My health and my sanity are really hanging by a thread at the moment. I hadn't had any time off, not even a few hours, since my birthday, which will soon be a month ago, and this tempo won't stop until well into March. I can't wait until it's April when my workload will (hopefully) become considerably lighter and the clay court season will begin, including the Ljubljana Challenger. :D Arnaud Di Pasquale HAS to come back to defend his title. :hearts: This time I'll say good luck to him if he walks by only a few feet away from me again.

Oh and I don't think I've told you this yet. I decided to go to Ireland with my mum and my aunty. :D It's an organized one-week trip that sounds absolutely amazing, and got rave reviews from everyone who took it. Aparently, this travel agency is really good, which is extremely important with trips like that. It's not cheap, but I think it will be worth it. I'm absolutely enchanted with the Irish landscape and castles.

Unfortunately, the trip coincides with Wimbledon. :( But since Eurosport doesn't cover it and I wouldn't be able to see any matches anyway, I'm willing to make that sacrifice. ;)

Layla
02-05-2003, 01:36 PM
Originally posted by Vera
Hi Guys :wavey:

Back from the Doc, no serious nerve and whatever "C" tunnel problem, can't tell me why my arm is so bad now :(. So doc ordered more painkiller and rest. Thanks for all you best wishes, I hope it will get better soon.

*hug* *hug* *hug*

I'm relieved it's nothing serious like that. I hope the painkillers do the trick and your poor arm recovers quickly. *sending some healing vibes to your arm*

TennisHack
02-05-2003, 01:39 PM
Originally posted by Rebecca
I don't think that either is unstable.

Perhaps just bored individuals who take pleasure in their weak attempts at winding people up.

Frankly I enjoy to keep talking at people like this, as they continue to foam at the mouth and sound idiotic.

That's the view from here ;)

I was a bit pissed off when I wrote that :o so I amend my statement to short-sighted, willingly ignorant people.

I'm glad you still enjoy their presence because they grate on my nerves. You're doing quite the handy job of winding them up as well ;)

TennisHack
02-05-2003, 01:47 PM
Originally posted by Layla
Hi everyone! :wavey:

I handed in my translation this morning (I finished it at 4 a.m. :rolleyes: ) and now I'm completely wiped out. I don't remember ever being so exhausted. I even tried to go back to sleep but couldn't really pull it off. And of course now I have to write ALL the horrorscopes for this week, and I tomorrow I get another text to translate, and then another, and another, and anohter...

My health and my sanity are really hanging by a thread at the moment. I hadn't had any time off, not even a few hours, since my birthday, which will soon be a month ago, and this tempo won't stop until well into March. I can't wait until it's April when my workload will (hopefully) become considerably lighter and the clay court season will begin, including the Ljubljana Challenger. :D Arnaud Di Pasquale HAS to come back to defend his title. :hearts: This time I'll say good luck to him if he walks by only a few feet away from me again.

Oh and I don't think I've told you this yet. I decided to go to Ireland with my mum and my aunty. :D It's an organized one-week trip that sounds absolutely amazing, and got rave reviews from everyone who took it. Aparently, this travel agency is really good, which is extremely important with trips like that. It's not cheap, but I think it will be worth it. I'm absolutely enchanted with the Irish landscape and castles.

Unfortunately, the trip coincides with Wimbledon. :( But since Eurosport doesn't cover it and I wouldn't be able to see any matches anyway, I'm willing to make that sacrifice. ;)

:wavey: Nice to see Rivers's face around once again! ;)

I hope you took a nice long nap after handing in your work. ILR will be around this afternoon so you can scape out some more 'scopes from her -- you'll get through this day! If it ever becomes too much for you, just go into the story thread and look at DiP looking at you ;)

*sigh* Clay season . . . . I can't wait . . . . unfortuantely April will probably be my busiest month this semester, but I survived two grand slams under similar conditions, so I'm looking forward to the challenge :D

Ireland?!?!?! :hearts: Oh, wow!! It's on my short list of countries to see some day. History, castles, green things (LOL) -- you have to take lots of pictures and tell us all about it! :bounce::bounce: Pffffft, its only Wimbly and I'm guessing one week of Wimbly. Just as long as you're around to help celebrate Juanqui's (knock on wood) RG crown I think you can be excused ;)

TennisHack
02-05-2003, 01:53 PM
*sigh* and so it begins.

I've got to head out (into the newly yet returning freezing conditions), so I'll see you guys later. I hope everyone has a good day -- just remember, we're one day closer to the weekend ;)

See you guys later :wavey:

Layla
02-05-2003, 01:56 PM
Originally posted by Lee
Some of the GM threads are like mud slinging competition now. :eek:

That's what happens when Tennis Fool rides into town. :rolleyes: Fortunately it only happens after a slam. I suspect he only follows the slams anyway, which is why his opinions are so lopsides. When he has any of course. Most of the time he just makes no sense. I give him my Most Ignorant Poster of the Year award. :D

And y_s's insults to my "female brain" were on the same level, although he can actually make a point when he wants to. I have nothing to say to male chauvinist pigs, so I didn't even respond. Besides, I can't stand his disrespectful attitude to tennis players.

It's also noteworthy that they both called me dear in that thread. How endearingly pathetic!

Layla
02-05-2003, 01:59 PM
Originally posted by Lee
Yes, I still can't figure out what Mrs Guga is talking about.:confused:

Did I miss something? :confused:

Layla
02-05-2003, 02:07 PM
Hi TH! :wavey:

Yep, Rivers is back! :D At least today. I can't work on my scopes just yet, I need to rewind my brain first. ;) And I decided to go to my aerobics class today, since I skipped all of them last week and I can just feel my body getting weaker and weaker.

Yes, it's just one week of Wibledon, but it's right in the middle, so I'll probably get back in time for the semis or the final, I'm not sure yet. The quarters, semis and final will be shown on the Slovene or Croatian tv, but I get my dad to tape them if I have to. Yes it's only Wimbledon, but Timmy is my second fave, remember? ;) I hope I'll be able to follow his progress in Ireland. Apparently, the rooms have a tv, so I'll try to catch the news.

I'll take pics but I don't have a scanner so I won't be able to post them. :( My dad's digital camera is too expensive to take with me. But I will take pics of the challenger. :D

Lee
02-05-2003, 03:09 PM
Hi Layla! :wavey: (Not sure whether I miss you?)

Lee
02-05-2003, 03:13 PM
Originally posted by Layla
My health and my sanity are really hanging by a thread at the moment. I hadn't had any time off, not even a few hours, since my birthday, which will soon be a month ago, and this tempo won't stop until well into March. I can't wait until it's April when my workload will (hopefully) become considerably lighter and the clay court season will begin, including the Ljubljana Challenger. :D Arnaud Di Pasquale HAS to come back to defend his title. :hearts: This time I'll say good luck to him if he walks by only a few feet away from me again.


So your biggest work load is off now! (Trying to be very positive and start chanting "I can only do one thing at a time") :D

Lee
02-05-2003, 03:20 PM
Originally posted by Layla
Oh and I don't think I've told you this yet. I decided to go to Ireland with my mum and my aunty. :D It's an organized one-week trip that sounds absolutely amazing, and got rave reviews from everyone who took it. Aparently, this travel agency is really good, which is extremely important with trips like that. It's not cheap, but I think it will be worth it. I'm absolutely enchanted with the Irish landscape and castles.

Unfortunately, the trip coincides with Wimbledon. :( But since Eurosport doesn't cover it and I wouldn't be able to see any matches anyway, I'm willing to make that sacrifice. ;)

Ireland :hearts: :hearts: I read quite a number of romance novels with it as background. And there are many lovely witches too! :D:D May be you'll find yours dearly there :hearts:

Lee
02-05-2003, 03:25 PM
Originally posted by Layla
I'll take pics but I don't have a scanner so I won't be able to post them. :( My dad's digital camera is too expensive to take with me. But I will take pics of the challenger. :D

There may be photo finishing company that can digitized your photos when they develop them.

Lee
02-05-2003, 03:27 PM
Originally posted by Layla
Did I miss something? :confused:

Nothing, she had a post in Generation N thread and I can't figure what's her point.

ILR
02-05-2003, 03:52 PM
:wavey:

scaping scopes huh?;) well I dont know how long I will be around because I have a college interview and then Liverpool are on TV :D but sure,Ill write some for you if you want :) If you need them that is.

Lee
02-05-2003, 03:59 PM
Hi Emma! :wavey:

What team is Liverpool's playing?

ILR
02-05-2003, 04:03 PM
:wavey:

Hi Lee,we are playing an FA Cup replay against Crystal Palace,a first division side :) hopefully we'll win :) Has the cable man been yet?

Lee
02-05-2003, 04:06 PM
Nope! He's suppose to be here between 10-12am. It's 10:05 here!

ILR
02-05-2003, 04:13 PM
oh right!Well then he should be there soon :) I keep forgetting how different the time is between us!:o

ILR
02-05-2003, 04:43 PM
anyway I have to go off for my interview now,bye!:wavey:

Lee
02-05-2003, 04:50 PM
Bye Emma! Good luck with your interview! :wavey: &

GO LIVERPOOL GO

Vera
02-05-2003, 05:49 PM
Morning thread :wavey:

Good luck Emma, sure you'll nail your interview :) . Good luck to you too, Lee, hope the cable guy show up.

Layla, glad you have some breathing room, at least for the moment. Just look forward to your Ireland trip and that might help ease the pain of all those heavy workload :) .

Checked on Juanqui's sister's site and saw his tentative schedule for this year. Shocking, there's 28 tourneys listed that he's planning to play :eek: :eek: :eek: , and that's not include Davis Cup and TMC :eek: :eek: :eek: . Oh my, I hope he's not seriously thinking of going to them all, that's way too many and he's gonna exhaust himself. I know he wants to work very hard to get to number 1 but. I mean, last year at the end of the season, he had to play all the remaining tourney to get enough points, and he's so tired at the end :( . But the most shocking is, TMS Montreal is not on the list:eek: :eek: :eek: . Did he forget about that lovely Canadian trip :sad: :sad: :sad:. Someone go remind him please! And he's going to Sopot before heading to N. A., a tourney he doesn't usually play. I hope there's a big mess up in that schedule since it makes no sense :sad:.

Anyway, gotta go. Have a great day everyone. :wavey:

Lee
02-05-2003, 05:57 PM
Hi Vera! Just miss you! :( How's your arm? Is it getting better?

The cable guy showed up and changed all cables inside the house and of course a whole bunch of mumbo jumbo to conclude what he did! At least, this time, he made more sense than the last one and I keep my finger crossed that those signals won't ever dropped again.

I have to run to the bank, grocery stores, etc. etc.

CUA

RogiFan
02-05-2003, 07:08 PM
Originally posted by Vera
Morning thread :wavey:

Good luck Emma, sure you'll nail your interview :) . Good luck to you too, Lee, hope the cable guy show up.

Layla, glad you have some breathing room, at least for the moment. Just look forward to your Ireland trip and that might help ease the pain of all those heavy workload :) .

Checked on Juanqui's sister's site and saw his tentative schedule for this year. Shocking, there's 28 tourneys listed that he's planning to play :eek: :eek: :eek: , and that's not include Davis Cup and TMC :eek: :eek: :eek: . Oh my, I hope he's not seriously thinking of going to them all, that's way too many and he's gonna exhaust himself. I know he wants to work very hard to get to number 1 but. I mean, last year at the end of the season, he had to play all the remaining tourney to get enough points, and he's so tired at the end :( . But the most shocking is, TMS Montreal is not on the list:eek: :eek: :eek: . Did he forget about that lovely Canadian trip :sad: :sad: :sad:. Someone go remind him please! And he's going to Sopot before heading to N. A., a tourney he doesn't usually play. I hope there's a big mess up in that schedule since it makes no sense :sad:.

Anyway, gotta go. Have a great day everyone. :wavey:

Hi Vera!

How's your hand? What!! Juanqui's not coming to Canada?? It has to be a mistake! If he doesn't come, maybe I won't bother either!! Someone pls tell him he absolutely must be faithful to his Canadian fans -- it's the only chance for us to see him!!

Yes, Layla's trip sounds wonderful... another place I want to visit too!

And it's a week to Juanqui's 23rd birthday!! [I'm going to a Madrid flamenco show to celebrate his birthday next Wed.!] ;)

ILR
02-05-2003, 07:10 PM
:wavey:

Im in :D I have to fill out an acceptance pack and if I get the grades I am definately in!:) Im all excited now!:) Thanks for luck guys,I was interviewed by a teacher who used to teach me at school so she knew me really well and she is going to help me with my job targets of journalism or presenting!:D

Layla
02-05-2003, 07:19 PM
Hi everyone! :wavey:

Emma, that's great news! :bounce: I see a thriving career in sports journalism in your future. :D And remember, I'm a psychic. ;)

Vera, I hope your arm is better now. As for Juanqui, I don't think he would miss a TMS event. It must be a mistake. I can't access that website. :( It gives me some weird Spanish ad. Is he by any chance playing in Umag? (I'm not holding my breath.)

Lee, I'll keep my fingers crossed for your internet connection. :)

Layla
02-05-2003, 07:20 PM
Oh and GM has now officially turned into WTAworld. :rolleyes:

ILR
02-05-2003, 07:26 PM
Hi Layla :wavey:

:D thanks!Im all excited :p like I said my sports teacher is giving me all the help she can because she knows me and is telling me to get myself down to community centres and places.:)

Layla
02-05-2003, 07:31 PM
It's great to have the support of someone in the know. :) Just make sure you work for Eurosport, not say BBC, so I can listen to your commentating. ;)

Vera
02-05-2003, 07:34 PM
Hi Layla and Emma :wavey:

Arm's better if I don't use it. So I'll make a short one. here's the new link: http://www.jcferrero.net/indexbienvenidos/indexbienvenidos.htm

Basically, it's now .net instead of .org.

And a cute pic from the site.

Bye now :wavey:

ILR
02-05-2003, 07:43 PM
Originally posted by Layla
It's great to have the support of someone in the know. :) Just make sure you work for Eurosport, not say BBC, so I can listen to your commentating. ;)

Ill try really hard ;) but for now if Im offered BBC,Ill take it!And bye Vera,rest your hand :)

RogiFan
02-05-2003, 07:43 PM
:) HI guys!

ILR! Good interview!! No, you better work for our sports channels, TSN or Net!! [not ESPN!!!:p ]

Vera

cute pic! notice Alex's hair is getting longer while Carlos' is shorter every time we see him!

Layla

Who knows if Juanqui's playing Umag this year but Carlos usually plays it and has won it lately too.

Someone somewhere else said the same about Rogi and Miami I think... I doubt he'd miss that tournament for the same reasons. ;)

TennisHack
02-05-2003, 07:53 PM
Originally posted by Layla
Hi TH! :wavey:

Yep, Rivers is back! :D At least today. I can't work on my scopes just yet, I need to rewind my brain first. ;) And I decided to go to my aerobics class today, since I skipped all of them last week and I can just feel my body getting weaker and weaker.

Yes, it's just one week of Wibledon, but it's right in the middle, so I'll probably get back in time for the semis or the final, I'm not sure yet. The quarters, semis and final will be shown on the Slovene or Croatian tv, but I get my dad to tape them if I have to. Yes it's only Wimbledon, but Timmy is my second fave, remember? ;) I hope I'll be able to follow his progress in Ireland. Apparently, the rooms have a tv, so I'll try to catch the news.

I'll take pics but I don't have a scanner so I won't be able to post them. :( My dad's digital camera is too expensive to take with me. But I will take pics of the challenger. :D

Rivers :hearts::hearts::hearts:

LOL at rewinding your brain :D I'm glad that you've decided to take the day off (well, for what its worth). Hope your class went well. I can't wait to start my tennis lessons, but its still about a month away :( I think I've seen the tennis coach and he looks kinda intimidating. But hopefully he's nice . . . . one of my friends who played on her tennis team in high school talked to him about being on the team at our college and the first thing out of his mouth was, "What's your national ranking?" :eek: So we'll see how this goes -- thank goodness I'm taking lessons with friends!

I'm sure we'll have tons of coverage for you while you're gone -- we could even start a thread for ya ;) in the Henman forum. I'm sure you'll find a way to share your pictures with us, somehow -- after all, it's not July yet ;) And if not, guess we'll just have to be satisfied with the pics from the Challenger. Hey, it's on clay, how could it be bad? :D

Layla
02-05-2003, 07:54 PM
Thanks for the link Vera. :)

Juanqui's playing Kitzbuhl at the same time as the Umag tourney takes place. :sad: I think they moved Umag this year, cause it was definitely a week earlier last year. No I'm facing a huge dilemma. Do I go to Umag, or watch Kitzbuhl on the Austrian TV. I'm so torn.

ILR
02-05-2003, 07:56 PM
:wavey: RF Ill work where Im offered ;) god listen to me planning what TV channels are offering me jobs!:o

TennisHack
02-05-2003, 07:58 PM
Originally posted by Vera
But the most shocking is, TMS Montreal is not on the list:eek: :eek: :eek: . Did he forget about that lovely Canadian trip :sad: :sad: :sad:. Someone go remind him please! And he's going to Sopot before heading to N. A., a tourney he doesn't usually play. I hope there's a big mess up in that schedule since it makes no sense :sad:.

:eek: He *has* to play TMS Canada!! It's a required event and I don't see him paying $80,000 to pull out :( There has to be some mistake! :(

And after seeing his pared down schedule through RG, I can't believe he's going to pile it on until the end :( Seems a bit un-Juanqui-like :(

TennisHack
02-05-2003, 07:59 PM
Originally posted by IluvRogi
:wavey:

Im in :D I have to fill out an acceptance pack and if I get the grades I am definately in!:) Im all excited now!:) Thanks for luck guys,I was interviewed by a teacher who used to teach me at school so she knew me really well and she is going to help me with my job targets of journalism or presenting!:D

WOOOOOHOOOOOO!!!

:bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce:

Congrats, ILR! This is exciting news :) And you have an 'in', too! :D

Layla
02-05-2003, 07:59 PM
Originally posted by TennisHack
Rivers :hearts::hearts::hearts:

LOL at rewinding your brain :D I'm glad that you've decided to take the day off (well, for what its worth). Hope your class went well. I can't wait to start my tennis lessons, but its still about a month away :( I think I've seen the tennis coach and he looks kinda intimidating. But hopefully he's nice . . . . one of my friends who played on her tennis team in high school talked to him about being on the team at our college and the first thing out of his mouth was, "What's your national ranking?" :eek: So we'll see how this goes -- thank goodness I'm taking lessons with friends!

I'm sure we'll have tons of coverage for you while you're gone -- we could even start a thread for ya ;) in the Henman forum. I'm sure you'll find a way to share your pictures with us, somehow -- after all, it's not July yet ;) And if not, guess we'll just have to be satisfied with the pics from the Challenger. Hey, it's on clay, how could it be bad? :D

Thanks, that's a great idea. :) The Henman forum is so lonely now. :sad:

As for your coach, it's his job to be intimidating. ;) But I'm sure he'll be nice if you have a genuine desire to learn, as you do. :)

My class went well considering I haven't moved from my chair in over a week. I understand now that I absolutely had to take a day off, but I'll probably regret it come tomorrow and the day that follow. Still, there's no way I can write anything with my brain as fried as it is.

ILR
02-05-2003, 08:01 PM
Originally posted by TennisHack
WOOOOOHOOOOOO!!!

:bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce:

Congrats, ILR! This is exciting news :) And you have an 'in', too! :D

thanks :D I cant wait to get out of school it seems so crab and boring in comparison.Its a whole different world,more grown up,more choice of courses,better facilities etc.:D I leave in under 3 months!:eek: its exciting but scary!

TennisHack
02-05-2003, 08:01 PM
Originally posted by IluvRogi
:wavey: RF Ill work where Im offered ;) god listen to me planning what TV channels are offering me jobs!:o

LOL, we all have to dream! ;) Now I guess I'll have to move to Europe so I can see and hear you commentating :D

TennisHack
02-05-2003, 08:04 PM
Originally posted by IluvRogi
thanks :D I cant wait to get out of school it seems so crab and boring in comparison.Its a whole different world,more grown up,more choice of courses,better facilities etc.:D I leave in under 3 months!:eek: its exciting but scary!

Wow, 3 months? :eek: That is soon. But it's going to be a lot of fun, I can assure you ;) Just make sure you do something you have a passion for or else the workload can be unbearable.

But it sounds like you've got all cannons firing :) We should have a celebration somewhere!

I just wish Mrs. B was back, too :( I hope she's around in time for DC.

ILR
02-05-2003, 08:10 PM
you dont have to move to Europe permanently,unless you will be travelling with Michel ;) and 3 months yep,Ill be 15 :eek: and thats what my teacher told me to do,go for what I'll enjoy :0

ILR
02-05-2003, 08:11 PM
And Mrs.B will be back soon :)

RogiFan
02-05-2003, 08:12 PM
Originally posted by Layla
Thanks for the link Vera. :)

Juanqui's playing Kitzbuhl at the same time as the Umag tourney takes place. :sad: I think they moved Umag this year, cause it was definitely a week earlier last year. No I'm facing a huge dilemma. Do I go to Umag, or watch Kitzbuhl on the Austrian TV. I'm so torn.

They have changed the sched slightly so that there's a week between Kitzbuhel and Montreal -- see, Alex, you HAVE to come to Canada!!! No excuses!

Did you watch Kitz last year w Alex and Juanqui in the Final? I wish I had coverage of those clay tourneys, incl Gstaad!!!! I'm w Hackie, have to move to Europe or at least UK... hmmm... but which country? I've lived in France and Spain but I preferred Spain... I have friends in the UK...

Right now I feel like leaving the country and starting all over again... new job new everything... I think I'm experiencing the February blahs... no motivation at all. Come on let's get some exciting tennis going here!! :p

TennisHack
02-05-2003, 08:13 PM
Oh, yeah, I forgot I'd be in the arms of an European :D Now we just have to make sure to be in a country with rights to your show ;) Maybe you could kick the Tennis Channel in the ass, and hire me on as as stats whiz/sports psychologist/tennis player's girlfriend.

ILR
02-05-2003, 08:17 PM
do I count as a friend in the UK?:p

and yes thats the most important bit,in the arms of a European ;)Sure Id put in a good word for you ;)

TennisHack
02-05-2003, 08:28 PM
Coolness -- I like having contacts, LOL! ;)

LMAO at Tennis Fool in GM -- why is he so insistent on getting me to talk to him? Have I forgotten something that lead to this?

By the way, I invited Sjengster to visit us, his "harem" (me & Layla) here, so I hope no one minds.

TennisHack
02-05-2003, 08:34 PM
A very young Zhenya. Found in the Russian forum. I'm not sure why this picture appeals to me -- I guess because he looks so serious yet so young at the same time, and very very Russian :D

http://www.ropnet.ru/ogonyok/pict/200005/05-24-1b.jpg

Lee
02-05-2003, 08:38 PM
Hi Layla, Emma, TH and RF! :wavey:

:bounce: Congrat Emma :bounce:

ILR
02-05-2003, 08:39 PM
:wavey:

Hi Lee thanks!:) I darent ask about the cable man :o;)

Lee
02-05-2003, 08:41 PM
Originally posted by TennisHack
LMAO at Tennis Fool in GM -- why is he so insistent on getting me to talk to him? Have I forgotten something that lead to this?


He (definitely a he) just wants attention. I have the feeling he's teenage boy trying to attract attention from female because the tactics he uses are definitely fit that.

Sjengster
02-05-2003, 08:42 PM
Well, Tennis Hack, I'm now here to take charge of my harem - still can't get over that, what a lovely turn of phrase!

By the way, I see this thread has reached page 1572, which happens would you believe it to be the year in which the St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre was committed against the Huguenots in France as part of the ongoing French religious wars of the 16th century.

OK, I really have let these compliments about intelligent posts go to my head too much...

Lee
02-05-2003, 08:42 PM
Originally posted by IluvRogi
:wavey:

Hi Lee thanks!:) I darent ask about the cable man :o;)

He came and changed all the accessible cables in my house. Hopefully this will solve the problem but I don't understand why it takes 6 months to get to this.

Lee
02-05-2003, 08:44 PM
Originally posted by Sjengster
Well, Tennis Hack, I'm now here to take charge of my harem - still can't get over that, what a lovely turn of phrase!

Hi Sjengster! :wavey:
Becareful Sjengster, the harem here is not just Layla and TH! :D

ILR
02-05-2003, 08:45 PM
good Lee!Im glad :) and welcome to the best forum on the board ;) Sjengster

TennisHack
02-05-2003, 08:46 PM
Originally posted by Sjengster
Well, Tennis Hack, I'm now here to take charge of my harem - still can't get over that, what a lovely turn of phrase!

By the way, I see this thread has reached page 1572, which happens would you believe it to be the year in which the St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre was committed against the Huguenots in France as part of the ongoing French religious wars of the 16th century.

OK, I really have let these compliments about intelligent posts go to my head too much...

LMAO, welcome, Sjengster! ;) :wavey:

A fair warning -- you can be sucked in very, very easily to a chat thread, so proceed with caution :D

TennisHack
02-05-2003, 08:48 PM
And also -- we're not all girls, and we're also pretty attached to Dissident, so no fighting over us ;)

Lee
02-05-2003, 08:51 PM
And Sjengster, make sure you read carefully the signature of ILuvRogi, aka Emma, your fellow Brit here. ;)

Lee
02-05-2003, 08:57 PM
Emma, has Liverpool's game started?

ILR
02-05-2003, 08:59 PM
lol Hackie :p Im a girl :D and Leo is mine!;) so no snatching him Sjengster!Yes Im your fellow Brit!:o read carefully my sig?Why?Do you like it?:D;)

ILR
02-05-2003, 09:01 PM
Originally posted by Lee
Emma, has Liverpool's game started?

It wasnt on TV and we have lost 2-0 :sad: how it happened,Ill never know,just as we seem to be doing well this happens :(:(

TennisHack
02-05-2003, 09:01 PM
Here's the picture I'll use as my avatar (Michel alone, of course) if he wins a DC match.

Soooo adorable :hearts::hearts: And he looks so small next to Roger :eek:

ILR
02-05-2003, 09:03 PM
:D Nice piccie ;) Rogi is tall ;) he looks great also :D:hearts: you elling me you would cut him off and leave him out of your avatar?:eek: how dare you!:p

RogiFan
02-05-2003, 09:04 PM
Originally posted by IluvRogi
do I count as a friend in the UK?:p



OF COURSE, ILR! Anyone who's a devotee of Rogi is a friend of mine!! I do love the UK and the Brits anyway -- have done so for many years now! ;)

The Tennis Channel, that's a great idea Hackie! What can I do for it?? I know, I can interview all the Spanish-speaking players and do my own articles and take the photos and do the video! That's for starters!

Lee
02-05-2003, 09:05 PM
Originally posted by IluvRogi
It wasnt on TV and we have lost 2-0 :sad: how it happened,Ill never know,just as we seem to be doing well this happens :(:(

Noooooooooooooo! :mad:

Chloe le Bopper
02-05-2003, 09:06 PM
*sprinkles fairy dust on the thread*

Lee
02-05-2003, 09:06 PM
Becca is waving her magic wand again :D :D

Chloe le Bopper
02-05-2003, 09:07 PM
Funny timing on that.

ILR
02-05-2003, 09:07 PM
Originally posted by RogiFan
OF COURSE, ILR! Anyone who's a devotee of Rogi is a friend of mine!! I do love the UK and the Brits anyway -- have done so for many years now! ;)

The Tennis Channel, that's a great idea Hackie! What can I do for it?? I know, I can interview all the Spanish-speaking players and do my own articles and take the photos and do the video! That's for starters!

yay!:D thanks!lol all intruding on my job!:p

Sjengster
02-05-2003, 09:08 PM
Yes, I don't know why I should focus on ILuvRogi's signature so much... is there something I've missed?

Interesting pic of Kratochvil, Tennis Hack - unfortunately, the first time I saw him play was against Henman in the Basel quarters in 2001, a match which Tim won 6-1 6-0 in 44 minutes; it was obvious that Michel was suffering from some kind of illness or strength-sapping infection that even he couldn't understand, judging from his expressions on court. He actually ended the match by deliberately double-faulting on a second serve, slapping the ball to the ground with his racket. When he walked to the net he got a few boos, but in his condition it was understandable.

I then saw him play Henman when fully fit at Wimbledon last year, and to say the least... if he can play that well against Tim, I'd prefer it if he was ill every time he played him. He had Henman by the throat, up two sets to one and a break, but those 17 double faults did not help his cause. The serve is an area he has to address.

RogiFan
02-05-2003, 09:08 PM
Originally posted by TennisHack
Here's the picture I'll use as my avatar (Michel alone, of course) if he wins a DC match.

Soooo adorable :hearts::hearts: And he looks so small next to Roger :eek:

Now this is weird! I just posted this very same photo on the Rogi thread... and I made reference to the fact that someone probably already posted it elsewhere!!! It IS a nice pic, with both the guys! Yeah, Rogi IS tall... he's about a foot taller than me!! He's lovely! :drool:

ILR
02-05-2003, 09:09 PM
Originally posted by Lee
Noooooooooooooo! :mad:

well :sad: I know I dont know what happened.An own goal aswell to rub salt into the wounds :( poor Dudek (goalie who has his place back) hope he doesnt get blamed :(

Chloe le Bopper
02-05-2003, 09:09 PM
THis forum is going to be the end of me.

I have a mere 30 pages - which is nothing - to read in order to be caught up for my neuro midterm next week. However, the prospect of memorizing the entire chapter of "Mechanisms of Perception, Consciousness, Awareness and Attention" is almost too thrilling to bear.

So here I am.

Good day ;)

TennisHack
02-05-2003, 09:10 PM
Originally posted by IluvRogi
:D Nice piccie ;) Rogi is tall ;) he looks great also :D:hearts: you elling me you would cut him off and leave him out of your avatar?:eek: how dare you!:p

Oh, yes. I only have eyes for one Swissie :hearts:

You can have him as your avatar, though, if you don't want the whole pic to go to waste ;)

RogiFan
02-05-2003, 09:10 PM
Originally posted by IluvRogi
yay!:D thanks!lol all intruding on my job!:p

No no, just enhancing it!:p

ILR
02-05-2003, 09:10 PM
Originally posted by RogiFan
Now this is weird! I just posted this very same photo on the Rogi thread... and I made reference to the fact that someone probably already posted it elsewhere!!! It IS a nice pic, with both the guys! Yeah, Rogi IS tall... he's about a foot taller than me!! He's lovely! :drool:

omg!:p that makes me taller than you!;)

Chloe le Bopper
02-05-2003, 09:12 PM
Roger's 6'1, is he not?

It's funny seeing him next to Ferrero, who is actually only an inch or an inch and a half shorter apparently (I actually think that Roger must be 6'2, but that's not the point).

The point is that the height difference between the two is rather small, but Roger makes Ferrero look like a little elf. Then again, who doesn't? (Aside from Hewitt of course)

RogiFan
02-05-2003, 09:13 PM
Originally posted by IluvRogi
omg!:P that makes me taller than you!;)

Most people are taller than me! :p

Lee
02-05-2003, 09:13 PM
Originally posted by Rebecca
THis forum is going to be the end of me.

I have a mere 30 pages - which is nothing - to read in order to be caught up for my neuro midterm next week. However, the prospect of memorizing the entire chapter of "Mechanisms of Perception, Consciousness, Awareness and Attention" is almost too thrilling to bear.

So here I am.

Good day ;)

Hi Becca! :wavey:

Here is definitely more interesting.

TennisHack
02-05-2003, 09:13 PM
Originally posted by Sjengster
Interesting pic of Kratochvil, Tennis Hack - unfortunately, the first time I saw him play was against Henman in the Basel quarters in 2001, a match which Tim won 6-1 6-0 in 44 minutes; it was obvious that Michel was suffering from some kind of illness or strength-sapping infection that even he couldn't understand, judging from his expressions on court. He actually ended the match by deliberately double-faulting on a second serve, slapping the ball to the ground with his racket. When he walked to the net he got a few boos, but in his condition it was understandable.

I then saw him play Henman when fully fit at Wimbledon last year, and to say the least... if he can play that well against Tim, I'd prefer it if he was ill every time he played him. He had Henman by the throat, up two sets to one and a break, but those 17 double faults did not help his cause. The serve is an area he has to address.

Interesting that you mention those matches, Sjengster -- Michel was suffering from a really bad stomach flu that year in Basel (he said he felt so bad that he doesn't even remember the match), and that Wimbly match totally sold him in my heart :hearts:

Michel has a number of problems (all of which have been discussed at length somewhere), the most prominent of which is his mental fortitude. And his serve is the first thing to go when he crumbles upstairs. Which is horrible for him because he has a beautiful net game.

Chloe le Bopper
02-05-2003, 09:14 PM
Actually I take that back entirely *recalls pictures of Ferrero and Grosjean at the net in Monte Carlo*

ILR
02-05-2003, 09:14 PM
Originally posted by RogiFan
Most people are taller than me! :p

awww!:p hey Im not exactly tall!

RogiFan
02-05-2003, 09:15 PM
Originally posted by Rebecca
Roger's 6'1, is he not?

It's funny seeing him next to Ferrero, who is actually only an inch or an inch and a half shorter apparently (I actually think that Roger must be 6'2, but that's not the point).

The point is that the height difference between the two is rather small, but Roger makes Ferrero look like a little elf. Then again, who doesn't? (Aside from Hewitt of course)

Hi Rebecca!

That's funny! Yeah, Rogi seems to almost tower over other guys, like Corretja... it's because he's got lovely strong shoulders, but not overly built [like Haas]... just perfect! ;) Juanqui's a little skinny Chavalito of a Mosquito chico!

TennisHack
02-05-2003, 09:15 PM
Originally posted by RogiFan
Now this is weird! I just posted this very same photo on the Rogi thread... and I made reference to the fact that someone probably already posted it elsewhere!!! It IS a nice pic, with both the guys! Yeah, Rogi IS tall... he's about a foot taller than me!! He's lovely! :drool:

LOL, no no, I saw it, commented on it, and put it here to show everyone what the new avatar will be (guess I should also reference it in the DC thread or Swissies thread . . .). Guess I'm just too quick for you, LOL!!

Lee
02-05-2003, 09:15 PM
Originally posted by RogiFan
Most people are taller than me! :p

:D :D RF, we are in the same league here!

Chloe le Bopper
02-05-2003, 09:16 PM
RogiFan you must be a little elf too! Don't worry, you are in good company ;) Clement and the Rochus brothers can entertain you in munchkin land!

I must have at least half a foot on you ;)

ILR
02-05-2003, 09:18 PM
hey judging by this,I must be one of the tallest!:p;)

RogiFan
02-05-2003, 09:19 PM
Originally posted by TennisHack
Interesting that you mention those matches, Sjengster -- Michel was suffering from a really bad stomach flu that year in Basel (he said he felt so bad that he doesn't even remember the match), and that Wimbly match totally sold him in my heart :hearts:

Michel has a number of problems (all of which have been discussed at length somewhere), the most prominent of which is his mental fortitude. And his serve is the first thing to go when he crumbles upstairs. Which is horrible for him because he has a beautiful net game.
Wow... great sunset just now... right, I remember that match too -- did Micha have sth like tonsilitis??? He was going to play doubles w Corretja, correct? Now I recall in Madrid I saw Micha talking to Corretja's coach... brewing up a doubles partnership, I'd say!! V interesting... too bad they didn't play. Micha could learn sth fr Alex -- w be a neat pairing. ;)

Layla
02-05-2003, 09:21 PM
Welcome to your harem Sjengster! ;) :D

Of course in a strange turn of events, it was Henman who developed a mysterious, energy-sapping illness in that Wimbledon match. I couldn't watch the it (Eurosport doesn't cover Wimbledon :mad: ), but I was listening to the BBC radio on the internet, and I'll never forget it when the commentator said the trainer had to use smelling salts. It sounded so serious. How he managed to turn that match around is beyond me, but he had me at the edge of my seat. :eek: After that victory, I actually thought it might be his turn to win Wimbledon that year, and he would miraculously manage to beat his nemesis Lleyton, but I guess miracles don't always win you tournaments. :(

ILR
02-05-2003, 09:21 PM
oh and thanks for offer of avatar Hackie but Im OK with Ale now ;):drool:

Chloe le Bopper
02-05-2003, 09:22 PM
How tall are you iluvrogi?

I'm 5'8, which I suppose is just over 170cm.

Damn Canadians and our inability to use the metric system for measuring our height and weight.

My drivers liscence, which I got when I was 16, says 170cm, so surely I must be about 173 now..

RogiFan
02-05-2003, 09:22 PM
:D You guys are cracking me up! I met Clement in TO last year -- he is shortish but rather nice... any of those guys are taller than me... no probs! but I still like that tall dark Swiss guy w the curly eyelashes the best!

I have to go... now that it's getting interesting on the board...

TennisHack
02-05-2003, 09:23 PM
Originally posted by RogiFan
Wow... great sunset just now... right, I remember that match too -- did Micha have sth like tonsilitis??? He was going to play doubles w Corretja, correct? Now I recall in Madrid I saw Micha talking to Corretja's coach... brewing up a doubles partnership, I'd say!! V interesting... too bad they didn't play. Micha could learn sth fr Alex -- w be a neat pairing. ;)

Nyet, nyet -- that was last year. In 2001, Michel had the stomach flu. Last year he had tonsilitus and a fever (those were warm days, wiling the hours away at his sickbed *sigh*). He was going to play doubles with Alex last year, and I agree, it would have been interesting.

I just wish you had gotten more pictures of him in Madrid:o

ILR
02-05-2003, 09:24 PM
oh and now Im being ordered to bed :rolleyes: oh well,goodnight everyone!:wavey:

Lee
02-05-2003, 09:24 PM
Bye RF! :wavey:

Sjengster
02-05-2003, 09:24 PM
"Interesting that you mention those matches, Sjengster -- Michel was suffering from a really bad stomach flu that year in Basel (he said he felt so bad that he doesn't even remember the match), and that Wimbly match totally sold him in my heart

Michel has a number of problems (all of which have been discussed at length somewhere), the most prominent of which is his mental fortitude. And his serve is the first thing to go when he crumbles upstairs. Which is horrible for him because he has a beautiful net game."

Yes, I clearly remember the game where he was serving for the first set of the Henman match - three double faults including one on break point didn't help him, although he's not the only one to do this recently (*JC....). Having said that, it was a match where both men had plenty of chances - if either one of them had taken every opportunity they could have won it in straight sets. They also seemed equally drained and tired by the end, and it was only the crowd support that got Henman through (I believe my avatar is from the aftermath of that match).

I've always liked Kratochvil and thought he was dangerous ever since that Agassi match in Indian Wells, although Agassi did rather put a lid on his achievement by beating him 0 and 1 the next time they played in Rome. I loved Michel's reaction at the end of that match, though - tongue-in-cheek, he smiled ruefully at Agassi as they shook hands and pointed at him as if to say, "Well, I'll get you next time..." Hilarious.

Lee
02-05-2003, 09:24 PM
Nite Emma! :wavey:

ILR
02-05-2003, 09:25 PM
lol im not that tall Becca, 5 ft 4 ;) :wavey:

Layla
02-05-2003, 09:25 PM
Originally posted by RogiFan
Most people are taller than me! :p

Not me. ;) I'm guess we're about the same height. So does that mean I can join you, Lee, Clement and and the Rochus brothers, and possibly Santoro, in the Munchking land? Yippy! :bounce:

TennisHack
02-05-2003, 09:27 PM
Originally posted by Layla
Welcome to your harem Sjengster! ;) :D

Of course in a strange turn of events, it was Henman who developed a mysterious, energy-sapping illness in that Wimbledon match. I couldn't watch the it (Eurosport doesn't cover Wimbledon :mad: ), but I was listening to the BBC radio on the internet, and I'll never forget it when the commentator said the trainer had to use smelling salts. It sounded so serious. How he managed to turn that match around is beyond me, but he had me at the edge of my seat. :eek: After that victory, I actually thought it might be his turn to win Wimbledon that year, and he would miraculously manage to beat his nemesis Lleyton, but I guess miracles don't always win you tournaments. :(

I have the whole match on tape. An instant classic, the most-watched match of the entire fortnight (according to the BBC, at least). I think th smelling salts had more of an effect on Michel than they did on Tim. It annoyed me at the time (and probably always will when I rewatch the match) because yeah he was sick, but honestly -- doesn't he know when to give it up? :o Smelling salts are the last frickin straw as far as I'm concerned.

Talking about psyching out your opponent . . . .

Layla
02-05-2003, 09:27 PM
Goodnight Emma! :wavey:

Lee
02-05-2003, 09:30 PM
Originally posted by Layla
Not me. ;) I'm guess we're about the same height. So does that mean I can join you, Lee, Clement and and the Rochus brothers, and possibly Santoro, in the Munchking land? Yippy! :bounce:

Clement is 5'8" while Santoro is 5'10". They in Munchking land?:rolleyes:

TennisHack
02-05-2003, 09:30 PM
Goodnight, ILR :wavey:

Originally posted by Sjengster
Yes, I clearly remember the game where he was serving for the first set of the Henman match - three double faults including one on break point didn't help him, although he's not the only one to do this recently (*JC....). Having said that, it was a match where both men had plenty of chances - if either one of them had taken every opportunity they could have won it in straight sets. They also seemed equally drained and tired by the end, and it was only the crowd support that got Henman through (I believe my avatar is from the aftermath of that match).

I've always liked Kratochvil and thought he was dangerous ever since that Agassi match in Indian Wells, although Agassi did rather put a lid on his achievement by beating him 0 and 1 the next time they played in Rome. I loved Michel's reaction at the end of that match, though - tongue-in-cheek, he smiled ruefully at Agassi as they shook hands and pointed at him as if to say, "Well, I'll get you next time..." Hilarious.

LMAO, the Agassi match at Indian Wells last year is what started it all. I was SO fucking pissed off at Patrick McEnroe for saying, "Oh, Agassi will win this easily, he's the defending champion, blah blah blah" and then Michel trumped his ass :D He gave me such a feeling of pride :D:D:D so I dug up some more info about him and the rest is history, as they say.

BTW -- to quote someone's post, just hit "quote" under their name/avatar on the desired post ;)

Chloe le Bopper
02-05-2003, 09:30 PM
How did I forget to include Santoro in munchkin land?!

You know the ATP site lists Santoro as 5'10 - but really, I don't think that is right.

He walked right by me the past summer in Toronto - granted he was a little hunched over with his bag and what not - but I would say he's 5'9. He hardly had an inch on me.

Ferrero on the other hand - his stats seem correct. He looks shorter because he is so slight, but I definately gave up at least a few inches to him. That, and he's taller than Andre in all of their pictures.

TennisHack
02-05-2003, 09:32 PM
Originally posted by Lee
Clement is 5'8" while Santoro is 5'10". They in Munchking land?:rolleyes:

In a world of professional tennis players, yes (average height is about 6'2" and most guys are between 6'0" and 6'4" with a few outliers who are 6'6" or taller:eek: ).

Sjengster
02-05-2003, 09:32 PM
Well, when you consider that even after Henman had won the fourth set, Kratochvil led serving at 2-0 in the final set and lost the last six games, I'd say it was more of a case of him faltering than Henman using dirty tactics. It really was painful watching Henman play at Wimbledon last year, it was easily his worst performance since... well, since before his breakthrough year in 96.

Practically every match was an ordeal, he scraped his way past Kratochvil and frankly by the time he faced Hewitt, I was just glad that he'd actually managed to get that far considering his form, even though he'd done it three times before. After he had lost the first set against Hewitt, I basically gave up on the match, because I knew there was no way he was going to let Tim off the hook in the way that Kratochvil and Ferreira did in their matches.

Chloe le Bopper
02-05-2003, 09:32 PM
Clement can't be 5'8. He was surely shorter than I was. I'm sure that he's 5'7 at the absolute most.

Grosjean is listed at 5'9 I think - another exageration ;)

Lee
02-05-2003, 09:33 PM
Originally posted by Rebecca
You know the ATP site lists Santoro as 5'10 - but really, I don't think that is right.

He walked right by me the past summer in Toronto - granted he was a little hunched over with his bag and what not - but I would say he's 5'9. He hardly had an inch on me.


This reminds me of Theoren Fluery, the hockey player. :D :D

Chloe le Bopper
02-05-2003, 09:34 PM
Actually I take that back with Grosjean - 5'9 looked about right.

Layla
02-05-2003, 09:34 PM
Originally posted by TennisHack
I have the whole match on tape. An instant classic, the most-watched match of the entire fortnight (according to the BBC, at least). I think th smelling salts had more of an effect on Michel than they did on Tim. It annoyed me at the time (and probably always will when I rewatch the match) because yeah he was sick, but honestly -- doesn't he know when to give it up? :o Smelling salts are the last frickin straw as far as I'm concerned.

Talking about psyching out your opponent . . . .

Give up in Wimbledon? Are you serious? Not unless he broke both his legs and his arms, and even then I'm not so sure. I can see how the crowd played an enormous role in that match and carried him through.

LOL, don't you think the trainer gave him the smelling salts? Are you accusing him of taking sides? ;) Besides, Tim needed something to snap him back, he was fading away.

TennisHack
02-05-2003, 09:37 PM
Originally posted by Sjengster
Well, when you consider that even after Henman had won the fourth set, Kratochvil led serving at 2-0 in the final set and lost the last six games, I'd say it was more of a case of him faltering than Henman using dirty tactics. It really was painful watching Henman play at Wimbledon last year, it was easily his worst performance since... well, since before his breakthrough year in 96.

Practically every match was an ordeal, he scraped his way past Kratochvil and frankly by the time he faced Hewitt, I was just glad that he'd actually managed to get that far considering his form, even though he'd done it three times before. After he had lost the first set against Hewitt, I basically gave up on the match, because I knew there was no way he was going to let Tim off the hook in the way that Kratochvil and Ferreira did in their matches.

Call it my player bias, but I was pissed at Tim last year. I agree it was a really bad performance and Scott Draper could have put him away in 2RD. I really wanted Michel to do well, especially after The Day the Seeds Bled and everyone was predicting he could sneak through the draw.

As I recall, the smelling salts came out in the fifth set, so we might have to agree to disagree on that point.

Not saying he could have given Potato more of a match, but at least he could have put Henman out of his misery earlier and saved him the trouble of losing yet again to Potatoman.


And I'm being pulled off to dinner but I'll surely be back to continue this interesting conversation! ;) :wavey:

Layla
02-05-2003, 09:37 PM
Originally posted by Lee
Clement is 5'8" while Santoro is 5'10". They in Munchking land?:rolleyes:

Really, they seem shorter to me. I remember Santoro shaking hands with Todd Martin, and he was staring him in the chest. :D

Chloe le Bopper
02-05-2003, 09:38 PM
Originally posted by Lee
This reminds me of Theoren Fluery, the hockey player. :D :D

Awww Theo :sad:

I have a soft spot for Fleury, who recently has found himself in hot water again.

From what I have read in his interviews, he is the textbook case of a guy who would do anything to battle him inner demons and overcome his addictive behaviors, but who always seem to fall back when it appears that he's made it.

I sincerely hope that he is able to overcome himself totally, before it's too late. He's made strides in the past year, but recent events have left a reason for concern.

Unrelated, but Paul Kariya is a little guy too ;)

Lee
02-05-2003, 09:38 PM
Originally posted by TennisHack
In a world of professional tennis players, yes (average height is about 6'2" and most guys are between 6'0" and 6'4" with a few outliers who are 6'6" or taller:eek: ).

I know they are not up to the standard height in tennis player but it's a little bit difficult to accept that they put in the same category as having a little bit taller than 5'.:)

Vera
02-05-2003, 09:38 PM
Hi you guys :wavey:

Geez, what a party here, chatty alright! Just hope I can join but enjoying the atmosphere nontheless. New thread name again and I like this one better, Becca. And welcome Sjengster. Just want to thank you for defending JC when someone said in that Gen N thread that he's one of those non-motivated spoiled brat :rolleyes:. I wanna say sth but was thinking that my comment will probably be disregarded as just another Ferrero's fan in denial.

Hey, I'm 5'6" though I wish I'm your height, Becca :).

Lee
02-05-2003, 09:39 PM
Welcome back Vera! :wavey:

Lee
02-05-2003, 09:40 PM
Bye TH! :wavey:

Sjengster
02-05-2003, 09:42 PM
Originally posted by Layla
Give up in Wimbledon? Are you serious? Not unless he broke both his legs and his arms, and even then I'm not so sure. I can see how the crowd played an enormous role in that match and carried him through.

Exactly... whenever I hear people in the British press criticise Henman for falling at the semi-final stage in Wimbledon and letting everyone's hopes down, I always think of the big matches that he has pulled out. The landmark match that first introduced him to the world, for instance, when he beat the new French Open champion Kafelnikov in the first round in 96, saving two match points with aces in the final set to win it 7-5.

The next year when he beat the defending champion Krajicek in the fourth round in a four-set match where Henman got the only break of serve (afterwards Krajicek said that after that match, he knew he definitely wouldn't name his child Tim as he'd heard it shouted so often, lol).

And his 99 encounter with Jim Courier, who had just beaten the Sjengster 13-11 in the fifth, where Henman again saved match point with an ace and won the match 9-7 in the deciding set. Not to mention his comeback wins against Todd Martin and Michel Kratochvil the last two years, from two sets to one down.

BTW Hackie, thanks for the quote advice - as you can see, this message board lark is still quite new to me!

Lee
02-05-2003, 09:42 PM
Originally posted by Rebecca
Awww Theo :sad:

I have a soft spot for Fleury, who recently has found himself in hot water again.

From what I have read in his interviews, he is the textbook case of a guy who would do anything to battle him inner demons and overcome his addictive behaviors, but who always seem to fall back when it appears that he's made it.

I sincerely hope that he is able to overcome himself totally, before it's too late. He's made strides in the past year, but recent events have left a reason for concern.

Unrelated, but Paul Kariya is a little guy too ;)

Sorry to hear he's in hot water again. He is such a spirited guy although I never really fond of him in all his very successful years in Calgary. But honestly, once you get into an addiction, it's very, very difficult to get out of it.

Layla
02-05-2003, 09:44 PM
Originally posted by TennisHack

As I recall, the smelling salts came out in the fifth set, so we might have to agree to disagree on that point.


No, I'm 99% sure they came earlier than the fifth set. I think the beginning of the fourth is more correct, although I'm not at all certain.

Chloe le Bopper
02-05-2003, 09:46 PM
Exactly... whenever I hear people in the British press criticise Henman for falling at the semi-final stage in Wimbledon and letting everyone's hopes down, I always think of the big matches that he has pulled out.

I agree.

When I think about Tim and Wimbledon, I admire what a great record he has there despite the absolutely immense pressure that is on him to succeed.

Even though he gets spat on with the "choker" label, or we hear that he's "too nice" to win, he still shows up every year and is a legit contendor to at least make the quarters or semis at Wimbledon.

Sadly, he seems to have one or two players that he just can't conquer at Wimbledon(first it was Pete, now it seems to be Hewitt), and that will likely be what prevents him from winning it. Certaintly not his own will.

Sjengster
02-05-2003, 09:47 PM
Originally posted by TennisHack
As I recall, the smelling salts came out in the fifth set, so we might have to agree to disagree on that point.

We might indeed, but I definitely recall that he brought out the trainer with smelling salts right after he'd been broken early in the fourth set... now the fact that he broke back straight away suggests that Kratochvil might have been put off by the delay, but honestly there were so many breaks and re-breaks throughout that match you never knew who was going to gain the advantage.

Lee
02-05-2003, 09:50 PM
Some posters seem to believe that the Williams sisters dominate partly (but not all) because of their being black--and their skin color gives them a natural advantage.

I myself, think this is insulting and offensive, but some posters seemed to be taken off guard that their beliefs would be considered racist.


I promised myself I'm not going to post in GM but I'm really pissed off by this fool.

Sjengster
02-05-2003, 09:51 PM
Originally posted by Rebecca
Sadly, he seems to have one or two players that he just can't conquer at Wimbledon(first it was Pete, now it seems to be Hewitt), and that will likely be what prevents him from winning it. Certaintly not his own will.

That's the whole problem - at least he's managed to beat Sampras once, albeit away from Wimbledon, but he's become Hewitt's number one pigeon, no doubt about it. As I said over on GM, Henman could have achieved all he's ever wanted in the game last year if it hadn't been for the presence of Hewitt - he beat Tim in the Indian Wells final, the Queens final and the Wimbledon semi.

Trouble is, Henman's game is perfect for Hewitt - Tim has no big weapons on the serve or off the ground, and his attacking style plays right into Hewitt's counter-punching strengths.

Layla
02-05-2003, 09:56 PM
Cover your ears for I'm about to swear very loudly. ;)

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK! :fiery:

I just discovered that the Ljubljana challenger will not be played in May like last year, but - get this - the first week of Roland Garros. :sad: I think you can kiss those pics goodbye, because there's no way I'm giving it priority over my favorite tournament. And there's also no way that Arnaud Di Pasquale will come to defend his title. He'll be in Paris, along with everyone else I care about.

This is a huge disappointment. I guess I really will have to go to Umag now. Anyone wants to join me? The tickets are cheap and there's a campsite near the beach. ;)

Lee
02-05-2003, 09:57 PM
*hug* *hug* Layla *hug* *hug*

Layla
02-05-2003, 10:05 PM
Originally posted by Sjengster
That's the whole problem - at least he's managed to beat Sampras once, albeit away from Wimbledon, but he's become Hewitt's number one pigeon, no doubt about it. As I said over on GM, Henman could have achieved all he's ever wanted in the game last year if it hadn't been for the presence of Hewitt - he beat Tim in the Indian Wells final, the Queens final and the Wimbledon semi.

Trouble is, Henman's game is perfect for Hewitt - Tim has no big weapons on the serve or off the ground, and his attacking style plays right into Hewitt's counter-punching strengths.

Yes, those losses were heartbreaking. He was in such good form until the grass season. He even had some great results on clay. :) But even in Queens, he struggled on his way to the final, just like in Wimbledon. You're right about their games though. Hewitt loves a target, and sometimes, Tim looks like a sitting duck in their matches. Any ideas what he could do to finally beat him?

By the way, I don't think Hewitt will be able to defend his Wimbledon title, so he might be taken out of the equasion in the early rounds. I noticed his form has dropped. He still manages to win most of the time, but he's not the same player he was earlier in the year (last year that is).

Layla
02-05-2003, 10:05 PM
Originally posted by Lee
I promised myself I'm not going to post in GM but I'm really pissed off by this fool.

Seriously, try to ignore him. He's just trying to pick a fight.

Chloe le Bopper
02-05-2003, 10:09 PM
This is a huge disappointment. I guess I really will have to go to Umag now. Anyone wants to join me? The tickets are cheap and there's a campsite near the beach.

Well Umag is better than nothing! Sorry to hear that things aren't working out as you had wished, though.

I seriously debating heading to Montreal a little early this year, in order to catch the qualifying draw. For one thing it's free, and for another, the master series always have good qualifying fields.

I'm thinking of even going to the first day of womens action in Toronto - before all the top names come out to play.

I'll have to see how my wallet is doing ;)

Lee
02-05-2003, 10:09 PM
Originally posted by Layla
Seriously, try to ignore him. He's just trying to pick a fight.

It's just that I enjoy here cos there is nobody like the fool before. I really really hate people keep making every issue a race issue.:fiery: :fiery: :fiery:

Layla
02-05-2003, 10:10 PM
I have to go to bed now. Goodnight! Sweet dreams! :wavey:

Chloe le Bopper
02-05-2003, 10:10 PM
Lee, just t ry not to let him upset you.

That's appears to be his only objective.

Chloe le Bopper
02-05-2003, 10:11 PM
Goodnight Layla

Sjengster
02-05-2003, 10:18 PM
Originally posted by Layla
Any ideas what he could do to finally beat him?
By the way, I don't think Hewitt will be able to defend his Wimbledon title, so he might be taken out of the equasion in the early rounds. I noticed his form has dropped. He still manages to win most of the time, but he's not the same player he was earlier in the year (last year that is).

1. Substitute a clone of himself with a completely different game? Seriously, I'm beginning to wonder whether there's any way on earth Henman can beat Hewitt; he can break the man often enough (though he has to come up with an astonishingly good combination of shots to do it as in Indian Wells) but he just can't hang on to his serve. Interestingly he played Hewitt in the Queens final in 2001 and 2002; the first time he had his old serve which he hit as hard as he could without caring about percentage, the second time his remodelled serve was based on placement, percentage and spin. The first time he lost in two tiebreaks, the second time in three sets but he lost the second set 6-1. Indeed, in all three matches they played last year there was a set which Hewitt won 6-1, showing how dominant he can be over Henman.

2. I sincerely hope this is so, but it seems to me he has a big advantage over most people at Wimbledon because, while he will usually be playing a fellow baseliner, he is more comfortable on and used to grass than them and his speed and balance help him in the fast-paced rallies. Unless Escude can repeat his efforts of 2001, or Federer can rise to the occasion at Wimbledon and defeat Hewitt in a big match where he should have the advantage, I can't see many people stopping him repeating the win several more times.
:mad:

Lee
02-05-2003, 11:08 PM
Originally posted by Layla
Any ideas what he could do to finally beat him?



Too bad Hewitt can get chicken pox only once! :p

Thanks Layla and Becca! I know that guy just want to pick a fight and I know it's useless to response to that stupid thread.

It's good that Vince just came home at that time and I have to leave and practice TKD with him. Now I calm down a lot more.

TennisHack
02-05-2003, 11:42 PM
Originally posted by Layla
Besides, Tim needed something to snap him back, he was fading away.

How I wish that he had just faded away in that match . . . perhaps Michel wouldn't be ranked #81 now :sad: His mental blocks against defeating injured players started in that match and well . . . just went downhilll from there :(

TennisHack
02-05-2003, 11:46 PM
Originally posted by Vera
Hey, I'm 5'6" though I wish I'm your height, Becca :).

Hey, I'm 5'6", too! :) I desperately wish I was taller though, LOL :o

TennisHack
02-05-2003, 11:51 PM
Originally posted by Layla
I just discovered that the Ljubljana challenger will not be played in May like last year, but - get this - the first week of Roland Garros. :sad:

WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? :eek::eek::eek:

That sucks! :sad: I think they're trying to mess with your head :( I bet the challenger had no choice in the matter :sad: because of course they want their defending champ to come back. And DiP may need those points to stay in the Top 100 -- though he kicked ass at last year's RG ;)

Man oh man I can't wait for RG! *sigh* :hearts:

Whoops, sorry for getting off topic there :o

TennisHack
02-05-2003, 11:55 PM
Originally posted by Layla
Yes, those losses were heartbreaking. He was in such good form until the grass season. He even had some great results on clay. :) But even in Queens, he struggled on his way to the final, just like in Wimbledon. You're right about their games though. Hewitt loves a target, and sometimes, Tim looks like a sitting duck in their matches. Any ideas what he could do to finally beat him?

Normally I don't hate Timmy, so hopefully this won't be construed as hateful -- but his new serve sucks! I just can't stand to watch it. Bouncing up and down, rocking back and forth -- and for what? A shot that lets him down too often? Not worth it on the faster surfaces -- he need that serve-as-weapon back.

I don't recall much about the TMS Indian Wells final (except that embarassing scoreline) but sometimes it seems to me that Tim just hugs the net and waits for his opponent to give him something, like he's not really got a game plan but luck. A little variety might help.

You don't think Potato's going to defend his title? Hmm, guess I'll have to start paying attention his game, then -- cause I most definitely don't want Agassihole to be #1.

Chloe le Bopper
02-05-2003, 11:58 PM
Unfortunately Hackie, Agassi as number one might happen sooner than you please ;)

What with Hewitt not defending San Hose, that could potentially cut the lead in half, if Agassi defends his semifinal from last year.

TennisHack
02-05-2003, 11:59 PM
Ugh, somebody's got to step it up and knock his bald ass outta there! :mad:

He can be #1 for a little bit, I guess -- but not end the year #1. I'd never hear the end of PMac's crowing :rolleyes:

TennisHack
02-06-2003, 12:03 AM
Dani won her singles match! :) She defeated Maja Matevzic 6-3, 6-3.

TennisHack
02-06-2003, 12:09 AM
Hey, guys! Here's something else we could do -- be the people who type for the "live chats with fans" :D

http://www.wtatour.com/assets/story_image/HantuChat020503.jpg

RogiFan
02-06-2003, 12:57 AM
Originally posted by TennisHack
Ugh, somebody's got to step it up and knock his bald ass outta there! :mad:

He can be #1 for a little bit, I guess -- but not end the year #1. I'd never hear the end of PMac's crowing :rolleyes:

:eek: :rolleyes: :mad:

Yeah, but WHO????? Everyone who meets AA suddenly crumbles, freezes, craps out, chokes big time, forgets how to play tennis, gets intimidated... ad nauseum!

I don't want AA to be #1 even for a little bit! YUK! Where's Sampras when you need him?

Juanqui just better kick AA's ass the next opportunity!

I do remember Micha d AA... at the time I didn't really know who he was but it didn't matter... I was happy that AA got his ass kicked!

Anyone, pls beat the Baldy! [I'm thinking of putting together matches or clips of players who beat AA and I was going to call my tape "Beating Baldy".]
;)

RogiFan
02-06-2003, 01:06 AM
Originally posted by Layla
Yes, those losses were heartbreaking. He was in such good form until the grass season. He even had some great results on clay. :) But even in Queens, he struggled on his way to the final, just like in Wimbledon. You're right about their games though. Hewitt loves a target, and sometimes, Tim looks like a sitting duck in their matches. Any ideas what he could do to finally beat him?

By the way, I don't think Hewitt will be able to defend his Wimbledon title, so he might be taken out of the equasion in the early rounds. I noticed his form has dropped. He still manages to win most of the time, but he's not the same player he was earlier in the year (last year that is).

My thoughts exactly, Layla! I was thinking how lately some players can beat Hewitt... I'm wondering if he was not 100% physically well at the OZ Open... he seemed off a little healthwise. Usually that's the only way you can beat Hewitt. Certainly his serve is crap these days! He's been struggling a lot too at tournaments. Perhaps players are realizng that he is beatable and just go out there and do their best and sometimes succeed... look at Shanghai! Of course, Moya is one of the few who has beaten Hewitt more than once -- his h-t-h is v good vs. Hewitt... so what's Juanqui and Rogi's problem then??? MENTAL!!!

TennisHack
02-06-2003, 01:11 AM
More interesting things from MeFi! :eek: It never ceases to amaze me. But since we have some "Balkan" posters here, I wondered what your take on this was. I for one have been wondering why "Yugoslavia" still existed, and apparently, after yesterday, it doesn't anymore. Does this me the Yugoslav players will have to change their nationality, too? To what?

MeFi thread here (http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/23325)

Since the Washington Post wants you to register, I'll c/p the main article mentioned:

Yugoslavs Shrug Off Their Country's End

By Daniel Williams
Washington Post Foreign Service
Wednesday, February 5, 2003; Page A20

BELGRADE, Serbia and Montenegro, Feb. 4 -- The country that gave the world Tito, Cold War nonalignment, the Yugo car and a lesson in how a European multi-ethnic country could live as one and how it could be smashed, is no more.

What's left of threadbare Yugoslavia changed its name to Serbia and Montenegro today and adopted a new legal charter. The federal parliament ratified previous decisions from assemblies in both republics, thereby ending a tumultuous history.

The news was received with indifference here. In effect, Yugoslavia died when four of six republics seceded more than a decade ago. Slovenia got out without much fighting and Macedonia exited peacefully. But Croatia and Bosnia-Herzegovina left only in the midst of horrendous ethnic warfare.

Serbia, under Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic, remained, upholding the myth of a federal Yugoslavia. Yet all the while it tried to create Serbs-only territories in neighboring lands through military force. Montenegro made a few feints at leaving, but under pressure from the European Union, is staying with Serbia in the new and awkward union.

Kosovo, composed largely of ethnic Albanians, remains formally an autonomous province of Serbia within the new creation, but since the 1999 NATO-led war on Yugoslavia, is independent in all but name.

"It's not important what this country is at all," said Ognjen Pribicevic, a political analyst. "It's mainly a European idea to keep Serbia and Montenegro together, just to stop the further disintegration of southeast Europe. Better late than never, you might say."

It's an odd fit of unequal parts that will have more autonomy than under the Yugoslav model. Serbia without Kosovo holds a population of 10 million; Montenegro, just 600,000. Serbia's official currency remains the dinar, but Montenegro uses the euro. The national army will remain intact, and there will be a single president here in Belgrade, the once and future capital. But the president will be in charge only of defense, foreign affairs and general economic planning. The real day-to-day decisions on daily life will be in the hands of the Serbian and Montenegrin legislatures.

The plan provides for each population to get a chance to leave the union by referendum within three years, so longevity is not guaranteed. Left in the dust is an idea of a unified Balkans region, a concept born in the 19th century and made real after World War I, when the Kingdom of Serbia, Croatia and Slovenia was formed. In 1929, it changed its name to Yugoslavia. Its founding principle was that the population was a single people related by language and culture, a myth.

First the myth was kept alive by a king, and then by a Communist dictator, Josip Brod Tito. But as communism short-circuited throughout Eastern Europe, nationalist passions swept the Balkans. "Ethnic cleansing" replaced the Yugoslavia idea.

"Twelve years ago, if you asked me, I would say I was a Yugoslav person," said Dragan Djilas, 35, an advertising executive. "I was surprised that it fell apart so quickly. Now, I've taken the Serb option. I'm Serb. This new country is a stupid thing."

Tonight, the Yugoslav president, Vojislav Kostunica, was supposed to appear for the early evening declaration of the new country, but without explanation, he stayed away. He will lose his job in March when the parliament votes in a replacement from Montenegro. Speaker Dragoljub Micunovic announced the new entity's creation to light applause: "I hereby declare the constitutional charter of Serbia and Montenegro adopted."

On the streets of Belgrade, it was hard to get anyone to comment on what was, officially at least, a historic day. One young man said he felt "no emotion whatsoever." His girlfriend said she "didn't know it was happening today."

Yet it was possible to find lingering nostalgia for Yugoslavia.

Yugoslavs took pride in standing up to the Soviet Union. Never mind that Tito operated his own political prisons and torture chambers. Non-alignment gave Yugoslavia political cachet beyond its borders. In 1984, it hosted the Sarajevo Olympics; its automobile industry enjoyed a brief export boom that put Yugos on the streets of many countries. And until the 1990s, its people enjoyed a higher standard of living than their neighbors.

"There will be no Yugoslavia, but there will be Yugoslavs," predicted Stevan Mirkovic, 76, who was Yugoslav army chief of staff before the breakup of the country. "A mother dies but the sons live on."

But Branka Prpa , a historian, suggests that it's time to leave all that behind. She opposes the new union on the grounds that Montenegro and Serbia might as well try to make it on their own. "Dissolution should go all the way," she said. "Finish it."


© 2003 The Washington Post Company

TennisHack
02-06-2003, 01:18 AM
Other links from the original MeFi post:

The one that got away (http://www.lonelyplanet.com/destinations/europe/slovenia/)

The tourist magnet (http://www.lonelyplanet.com/destinations/europe/croatia/)

Problem (http://www.cco.caltech.edu/~bosnia/bosnia.html) sites (http://www.lonelyplanet.com/destinations/europe/macedonia/)

Lee
02-06-2003, 01:37 AM
Originally posted by RogiFan
:eek: :rolleyes: :mad:

Yeah, but WHO????? Everyone who meets AA suddenly crumbles, freezes, craps out, chokes big time, forgets how to play tennis, gets intimidated... ad nauseum!

I don't want AA to be #1 even for a little bit! YUK! Where's Sampras when you need him?

Juanqui just better kick AA's ass the next opportunity!

I do remember Micha d AA... at the time I didn't really know who he was but it didn't matter... I was happy that AA got his ass kicked!

Anyone, pls beat the Baldy! [I'm thinking of putting together matches or clips of players who beat AA and I was going to call my tape "Beating Baldy".]
;)

Sampras won't be available for a while. Even he come back to play, it will be a few months before he can be up to par to beat AA.

RogiFan
02-06-2003, 01:44 AM
Originally posted by Lee
Sampras won't be available for a while. Even he come back to play, it will be a few months before he can be up to par to beat AA.

Hi Lee!

More's the pity I say! I'm sure AA is salivating over usurping that coveted #1 spot... as for Hewitt... who knows? Is he playing S Jose, btw?? Is that his next tourney after DC?

So many injured players it's getting ridiculous now... no wonder AA won the Oz Open -- nobody to get in his way, then he gets lucky w players like Coria, "giving" him the match because of blisters... :rolleyes: Good thing AA didn't play OZ last year [and TO actually... I didn't have to put up w him!].

So Lee, you and I are "petite" are we?? I want to meet Marat and see what a 6'4" guy is like!! ;)

Lee
02-06-2003, 01:51 AM
Originally posted by RogiFan
So Lee, you and I are "petite" are we?? I want to meet Marat and see what a 6'4" guy is like!! ;)

How about Todd Martin? :D :D Actually, I think I have met enough giants while I lived in Calgary. :rolleyes: It's very difficult to be "petite" to live in Western Canada since I hardly able to buy nice clothes.

Lee
02-06-2003, 02:13 AM
Originally posted by TennisHack
Other links from the original MeFi post:

The one that got away (http://www.lonelyplanet.com/destinations/europe/slovenia/)

The tourist magnet (http://www.lonelyplanet.com/destinations/europe/croatia/)

Problem (http://www.cco.caltech.edu/~bosnia/bosnia.html) sites (http://www.lonelyplanet.com/destinations/europe/macedonia/)

Thanks TH! These are very good reading! :)

RogiFan
02-06-2003, 02:27 AM
:angel: Nite nite Lee! Time for bed... have to go to a friend's tomorrow to help her w some French corrections!

;) I'll catch up later tomorrow!

TennisHack
02-06-2003, 02:28 AM
You're welcome, Lee. :) Ever since my history class last semester, the Balkans have been of interest to me. Plus the irony that Yugoslavia officially breaking up had little or no effect on Yogoslavs -- all very interesting.

Vera
02-06-2003, 02:39 AM
Nite RF, hi Hackie and Lee :wavey:

Just wasted some of my typing quota on the GM thread :rolleyes:. But I hate it when ppl generalize Canadians as just a version of Americans. Not to mention that I'm a little mad after watching the hockey game and need a outlet to vent :mad:. Lately, we just can't hold on to our 3 goals lead and kept making stupid defensive mistakes to let other teams back took a point from us. Anyway, just still mad :mad:.

Hackie, thanks for the article, very interesting. You and I are both in the 5'6" group :) and wanted to be taller. Too bad I stop growing years ago, thank god there's platform shoes :D.

TennisHack
02-06-2003, 02:43 AM
Originally posted by Vera
Nite RF, hi Hackie and Lee :wavey:

Hackie, thanks for the article, very interesting. You and I are both in the 5'6" group :) and wanted to be taller. Too bad I stop growing years ago, thank god there's platform shoes :D.

I'd love to be tall and willowy. Unfortunately those genes are not in my family so I've learned to live with my averageness ;)

Strangely enough, I'm among the tallest of my group of friends. And I hate platform shoes :o I'm such a boy sometimes :o:o

Lee
02-06-2003, 02:43 AM
History is the worst subject in my school days :rolleyes: Actually, I only studied history up to grade 9. Also, one dynasty in Chinese history is already longer than America history, so there is really not much room left after studying all those Chinese history. ;) The most frustrating thing is all Chinese history to be taught in school in Hong Kong stopped at the end of Ching Dynasty. The rest is too politically sensitive.

Lee
02-06-2003, 02:49 AM
Originally posted by Vera
Nite RF, hi Hackie and Lee :wavey:

Just wasted some of my typing quota on the GM thread :rolleyes:. But I hate it when ppl generalize Canadians as just a version of Americans. Not to mention that I'm a little mad after watching the hockey game and need a outlet to vent :mad:. Lately, we just can't hold on to our 3 goals lead and kept making stupid defensive mistakes to let other teams back took a point from us. Anyway, just still mad :mad:.


So Canucks is still in a little bit of slump here, right?

I also hate Canada is seen as the little brother of America who try to imitate his big brother.

Vera
02-06-2003, 02:57 AM
Originally posted by TennisHack
I'd love to be tall and willowy. Unfortunately those genes are not in my family so I've learned to live with my averageness ;)

Strangely enough, I'm among the tallest of my group of friends. And I hate platform shoes :o I'm such a boy sometimes :o:o

I started high school as among the tallest (since I started growing earlier, then gradually got outgrown and eventually finished high school as one of the middle height. Just hate the fact that I have to experience feeling tall then losing the advantage and ended up being in the middle of the pack. But my height is not so bad, is just right for shopping ;) . Used to wear shoes with 3 inches heel :o , but not anymore since it's bad for my back:( .

Vera
02-06-2003, 03:02 AM
Originally posted by Lee
So Canucks is still in a little bit of slump here, right?

I also hate Canada is seen as the little brother of America who try to imitate his big brother.

Yes, they just gave up a short hand goal at the 2 min mark of the 3rd period :rolleyes: :fiery:, it was our 4 min pp. It's embarrassing. In the last 5 games, they all lead by 3 goals and lost the lead and got tie up at the end (except last nite). It's just frustrating to see that although it's not to the point of panick yet.

Vera
02-06-2003, 03:06 AM
Heading off now. Good nite Hackie and Lee :wavey:

Lee
02-06-2003, 03:08 AM
Originally posted by Vera
Yes, they just gave up a short hand goal at the 2 min mark of the 3rd period :rolleyes: :fiery:, it was our 4 min pp. It's embarrassing. In the last 5 games, they all lead by 3 goals and lost the lead and got tie up at the end (except last nite). It's just frustrating to see that although it's not to the point of panick yet.

Ouch! The players need a head doctor! Well, giving up a short hand goal at that time of the period is not that embarrassing. I think the most embarrassing one is Quebec Nordi (sp?) before they move to Colorado. Calgary was visiting in Quebec City and they led 8-5 and with less than 2 minutes left and they were in pp, Calgary managed to score 3 goals to tie the game.

Lee
02-06-2003, 03:09 AM
Nite Vera! :wavey:

TennisHack
02-06-2003, 03:13 AM
OMG :eek:

http://cbs.sportsline.com/u/olympics/2000/photos/0920/Choong092000.jpg
Sept. 20: Tan Fook Choong and Wan Wah Lee of Malaysia take on Dong-Soo Lee and Yong-Sung Yoo of Korea in the Men's Doubles Badminton Semifinal at the Sydney Showground on Day Five of the 2000 Olympic Games in Sydney. (Allsport)

Lee
02-06-2003, 03:15 AM
That's a very good pic, TH, where do you dig it up?

TennisHack
02-06-2003, 03:20 AM
I was looking at pictures from the 2000 Olympics but the site went out on me :rolleyes: I'm just amazed that guy is so high in the air -- for a badminton shot!! :eek:

Lee
02-06-2003, 03:21 AM
Probably the angle make it look higher than it was. Have you watched a very high quality badminton match?

TennisHack
02-06-2003, 03:23 AM
Can't say that I have. Like many other sports forced upon us in gym, I sucked at badminton. It's deceptively hard ;)

Where has Diss been? Sneaking out on us again :( I'm dying to know the new standings in the game! COME BACK TO US!

TennisHack
02-06-2003, 03:25 AM
http://cbs.sportsline.com/u/olympics/2000/photos/0923/Dipasquale092300.jpg

Future bronze medalist Arnaud DiPasquale after winning his third round match against Magnus Norman of Sweden :)

Lee
02-06-2003, 03:29 AM
Originally posted by TennisHack
Can't say that I have. Like many other sports forced upon us in gym, I sucked at badminton. It's deceptively hard ;)

Where has Diss been? Sneaking out on us again :( I'm dying to know the new standings in the game! COME BACK TO US!

It much more popular in Asia and they are QUICK! Those players are pretty amazing, I have difficulties just trying to catch up with those feather balls.

TennisHack
02-06-2003, 03:29 AM
For you Guga fans ;)

http://cbs.sportsline.com/u/olympics/2000/photos/0925/Kuerten092500.jpg
Sept. 25: Brazil's Gustavo Kuerten shows frustration during his 6-4, 7-5 loss to Russia's Yevgeny Kafelnikov in their Olympics quarterfinal tennis match in Sydney. (AP)

Lee
02-06-2003, 03:30 AM
And the guys in this thread are pretty sneaky these days.

TennisHack
02-06-2003, 03:34 AM
http://cbs.sportsline.com/u/olympics/2000/photos/0927/Dipasquale092700.jpg
Sept. 27: Arnaud Di Pasquale of France reacts after winning his Bronze medal match against Roger Federer of Switzerland during the Olympic Tennis competition. Di Pasquale won the match 7-6, 6-7, 6-3. (AP)

TennisHack
02-06-2003, 03:35 AM
http://cbs.sportsline.com/u/olympics/2000/photos/0927/Nestor092700.jpg
Sept. 27: Daniel Nestor, left, and Sebastien Lareau of Canada celebrate after defeating Todd Woodbridge and Mark Woodforde of Australia to win the gold medal in men's doubles tennis at the 2000 Summer Olympics in Sydney, Australia. (AP)

TennisHack
02-06-2003, 03:36 AM
:):):)

http://cbs.sportsline.com/u/olympics/2000/photos/0928/Kafelnikov092800.jpg
Sept. 28: Russia's Yevgeny Kafelnikov holds his Gold medal and flowers during the presentation of the mens Olympic Tennis competition in Sydney's Olympic park, Australia. (AP)

Lee
02-06-2003, 03:37 AM
Originally posted by TennisHack
For you Guga fans ;)

http://cbs.sportsline.com/u/olympics/2000/photos/0925/Kuerten092500.jpg
Sept. 25: Brazil's Gustavo Kuerten shows frustration during his 6-4, 7-5 loss to Russia's Yevgeny Kafelnikov in their Olympics quarterfinal tennis match in Sydney. (AP)

Poor Guga! :(

Lee
02-06-2003, 03:39 AM
Originally posted by TennisHack
http://cbs.sportsline.com/u/olympics/2000/photos/0927/Nestor092700.jpg
Sept. 27: Daniel Nestor, left, and Sebastien Lareau of Canada celebrate after defeating Todd Woodbridge and Mark Woodforde of Australia to win the gold medal in men's doubles tennis at the 2000 Summer Olympics in Sydney, Australia. (AP)

This one I managed to watch it live! :D :D

Chloe le Bopper
02-06-2003, 03:40 AM
I always wanted to be 5'9 even and I fell a little short but I'm not terribley dissapointed. I'm the tallest of my group of friends here...well my immediate group of friends, but I have *one* taller female friend at home (damn her :mad:)

I also hate platform shoes but this is mainly because I'm flat footed and they hurt my feet, knees, hips, back, etc.

Badminton is good fun - I'm not particularly good but I stacked up well against the girls in my gym class who were equally terrible. We were worse at tennis though ;)

I haven't seen a pro badminton match that I can recall but I have seen live table tennis. Let's just say that it was highly impressive stuff :D

TennisHack
02-06-2003, 03:40 AM
All right, LOL, enough with the nostalgic pictures :o

Chloe le Bopper
02-06-2003, 03:42 AM
There are some pictures of a dissapointed looking Ferrero during the DiPascual match floating around the net somewhere...

Lee - Would you believe that I fell asleep on the couch during that match and missed the ending? :mad: I was so tired from work and it was on tape delay so I already knew who won, so I just ended up dozing off. I was :mad: when I woke up lol

Chloe le Bopper
02-06-2003, 03:43 AM
I never spell his name right - Di Pasquale turns into DiPascual.

I really need to work on that.

Lee
02-06-2003, 03:44 AM
Originally posted by Rebecca

I haven't seen a pro badminton match that I can recall but I have seen live table tennis. Let's just say that it was highly impressive stuff :D

I was pretty good at table tennis when I was a little girl. Do you know that table tennis was used to start breaking the ice between US and China in almost 40 years ago?

TennisHack
02-06-2003, 03:47 AM
Originally posted by Rebecca
There are some pictures of a dissapointed looking Ferrero during the DiPascual match floating around the net somewhere...


They could very well be floating around on that site, but the pictures for several days were messed up :rolleyes:

Lee
02-06-2003, 03:49 AM
Originally posted by Rebecca
There are some pictures of a dissapointed looking Ferrero during the DiPascual match floating around the net somewhere...

Lee - Would you believe that I fell asleep on the couch during that match and missed the ending? :mad: I was so tired from work and it was on tape delay so I already knew who won, so I just ended up dozing off. I was :mad: when I woke up lol

Oh Becca! That's a very good match. I like Daniel before but I really fell in love with him after that match. That's a very tough match since the match was in Australia, the Australian team was the favorite and the last Olympic for Mark but they came out as winners by playing together for less than a year.

Lee
02-06-2003, 04:09 AM
Nite TH & Becca! :wavey:

Chloe le Bopper
02-06-2003, 04:15 AM
Do you know that table tennis was used to start breaking the ice between US and China in almost 40 years ago?

Believe it or not, I actually learned this from Forest Gump :o

Puss-in-Boots
02-06-2003, 09:15 AM
:wavey: thread! :)

The country I was born in (Malaysia) is badminton crazy. But I am abysmal at it, when one of those feathery things (they're called shuttlecocks :o BTW) come my way, I kinda have trouble getting my racquet to make contact with it. Same goes for tennis... I have very little hand-eye coordination. I do better at table tennis (OMG wow, I can actually return serve! :p ) but only if the pace is very slow.

My height is nothing special...I'm 5' 9" and around 60 kilos :sad: According to the stats from the ATP website, I am 2 inches shorter, and 8 kilos lighter ( :eek: ) than Hewitt. This makes me rather err... compact. :p

TennisHack
02-06-2003, 01:13 PM
:wavey: Good morning, thread!

First of all, the best news of the morning: Mrs. B is back! :bounce::bounce::bounce: Everyone should go welcome her back in her thread ;) Now the Swiss DC cheering squad is complete :D

LOL at DP and your terrible coordination. I fear I'm the same way, which is why I named myself "TennisHack" from the get-go :D

And are you sad that you're so light, or so short? Neither is to be ashamed of :) We can't all be willowy tall.

Puss-in-Boots
02-06-2003, 01:33 PM
:wavey: TH!

I suppose it's my height that's a bigger issue, just about every guy I know is taller than me... I suppose if I found the time and the motivation to exercise more and eat well, I could put on a few more kilos in the right places... but my height is a little harder to fix.... dammit... at 5' 9", I'm not really quite tall enough to be an Elf. How heartbreaking! :p

Puss-in-Boots
02-06-2003, 01:54 PM
Am off to bed now... good night, thread! :wavey:

Lee
02-06-2003, 02:18 PM
Good morning! :wavey:

Allan, I get up in the morning and you go to bed :rolleyes: For Asian, you are of good size though.

After drop by to say Hi to Mrs. B, I will go to my TKD class. Bye! :wavey:

TennisHack
02-06-2003, 04:17 PM
Oooh, the DC tie draws were today, so new pictures! :) :) :)

http://www.daviscup.com/shared/medialibrary/image/gallery/DC_1154_gallery.JPG
Andreas Vinceguerra & Gustavo Kuerten


http://www.daviscup.com/shared/medialibrary/image/gallery/DC_1155_gallery.JPG
Jonas Bjorkman & Andre Sa -- LMAO!!!!


http://www.daviscup.com/shared/medialibrary/image/gallery/DC_1156_gallery.JPG
Mats is looking quite well :hearts: LOL

Kuerten Looks to Shine in Brazilian Colours
Former world No. 1 Gustavo Kuerten is looking to lead Brazil to its first away victory since 1999, when the team takes on a below strength Sweden in the first round of the 2003 Davis Cup by BNP Paribas at the Idrottens Hus in Helsingborg, starting Friday.

Kuerten will be dressed in the Brazilian colours of yellow and green when he takes the court in Friday’s opening singles against Andreas Vinciguerra, who will be playing only his second live rubber for Sweden.

Kuerten will be followed by his compatriot Andre Sa, who will take on Sweden’s No. 1 singles player Jonas Bjorkman. Kuerten and Sa will team up for Saturday’s doubles against Bjorkman and Magnus Larsson, while Sunday’s reverse singles see Kuerten face Bjorkman, followed by Sa versus Vinciguerra.

Kuerten's specially-designed Davis Cup kit was made by his Brazilian clothing sponsor, Olympikus. Kuerten will be dressed in a complete Brazilian uniform with "Brasil" inscribed on the back of his shirt.

"It is a real Brazilian uniform," Kuerten said. "I really liked it when they first showed it to me by the end of last year and I think it will be great to enter the court, to play Sweden, wearing the colours of Brazil. This is Davis Cup, pride of playing for your country, team spirit and finding a way to overcome the difficulties."

Brazil will be looking to end a three-match losing streak away from home that has included defeats by Australia in Brisbane, France in Pau and the Czech Republic in last year’s first round in Ostrava. Kuerten and Sa are joined by teammates Flavio Saretta and Ricardo Mello, who have put in long practise sessions on the carpet courts at the Idrottens Hus.

Kuerten is confident that the Brazil can shrug of its reputation as a one-surface team. “I worked very hard with my coach Larri Passos in Florianopolis last week," he said. "We practised on an indoor synthetic grass court and I feel ready to try to surprise them.”

Mats Wilander, Sweden’s new Davis Cup Captain, has been unable to field the two players who combined to upset Great Britain 3-2 in Birmingham in the first round last year. Former Australian Open champion Thomas Johansson is sidelined with a knee injury, while Thomas Enqvist was named in the four-man team, but is unable to take part this weekend.

Kuerten added: “Sweden is a country with a big tradition in tennis and in Davis Cup. When I was growing up Borg and Wilander were my idols and the tennis they played is something everyone should try to play like. But our team has grown a lot and in Davis Cup every player becomes dangerous."

TennisHack
02-06-2003, 04:19 PM
http://www.daviscup.com/shared/medialibrary/image/gallery/DC_1151_gallery.JPG
The Russian team (horrible picture :()


http://www.daviscup.com/shared/medialibrary/image/gallery/DC_1152_gallery.JPG
The Spain team at the draw ceremony


http://www.daviscup.com/shared/medialibrary/image/gallery/DC_1153_gallery.JPG
The singles players: Switzerland vs the Netherlands

TennisHack
02-06-2003, 04:21 PM
Croatia v USA - Draw Made, Goran Set for Doubles Action

A changing of the guard was the most prominent feature of the day as the draw for the Croatia vs. United States World Group first round tie was made in Zagreb.

Croatian number one Ivan Ljubicic will open proceedings on Friday against 21-year-old Mardy Fish, who will appear in his first ever singles rubber.

After that, American number one James Blake will take on 18-year-old Mario Ancic, with the reverse singles taking place on Sunday.

The doubles draw for Saturday confirmed the long-awaited return of 2001 Wimbledon champion Goran Ivanisevic. The 31-year-old Croatian is scheduled to join forces with Ljubicic against Blake and Fish, but with a shoulder injury still hindering his serve, his participation is not guaranteed. Teams can be changed up to an hour prior to each rubber.

“My shoulder is 60 or 70%, it depends on the day, but I have to get used to it," said Ivanisevic. "I have to serve a lot, I have to play with the pain and be a man."

Despite those words he intends to monitor his progress and delay making a final decision until he practices on Saturday.

Whether he plays or not, the Croatian team have strength in depth, with both Ljubicic and Ancic currently figuring in the world’s top 60 on the ATP Entry System.

Ancic has been part of Davis Cup teams in the past, but his opening rubber against Blake is his first big match outing.

“This is the first time I am going to play both singles rubbers,” said Ancic. “The United States are here, they are one of the giants of tennis and I am looking forward to it. I played good last year, I started well this year and I am feeling very confident.”

Ancic has yet to play opponent Blake, and plans to do his homework beforehand.

“I’m going to speak with Ljubicic and Goran, they know him better, but he’s a great player, he already beat (Lleyton) Hewitt and he’s getting better every week.”

The same can be said for America’s Fish, who defeated Carlos Moya twice in a couple of weeks at the start of this year. With Andy Roddick injured, this is his first big opportunity to play a singles rubber.

“It feels awesome – it’s everything you dream of when you first become a tennis pro,” said Fish. “To have it all come true at the age of 21 is something special and hopefully we can take advantage of our youth here and get a win.”

For US Captain Patrick McEnroe, the tie marks the beginning of a new era for American tennis.

“Part of my goal when I became the Captain was to build towards the future, and for us the future is now,” said McEnroe. “These are really our guys and it’s another opportunity for them to step up, get the experience and hopefully start winning.”

Sjengster
02-06-2003, 04:30 PM
Terrific picture from the Switzerland-Netherlands press conference - my two favourite players, plus two secondary players who I'm fairly keen on as well. The Sjengster in particular looks extremely happy - but I wonder if that confident smirk of Federer's shows that he knows something the Dutch don't...

TennisHack
02-06-2003, 04:37 PM
You have to admit, Sjengster, that the changes in both doubles pairs is very, very intriguing, especially since this tie could very well come down to the doubles match. The untested Verkerk vs Federer-Rosset? I was sure they'd go for the Schalken-Haarhuis combo, since they have such a good record together.

Lee
02-06-2003, 04:43 PM
Hi TH & Sjenster! :wavey:

What's the problem with the Russian team? They look like heading to a funeral :rolleyes:

The Spain team also look like they want to be anywhere but there!

Sjengster
02-06-2003, 04:45 PM
So just to clarify, it's Schalken-Verkerk vs Federer-Rosset? Interesting... it's a pity that Krajicek had to pull out and that Federer isn't playing with Bastl otherwise, as I said once in the Federer forum, we could have had all three players to interrupt Sampras' winning run at Wimbledon on the same court. Ah, well...

Well, the two leading players will be backed up by a pair of very big servers, and indeed the Sjengster will be the only one without much of a serve to speak of. Verkerk's certainly looking dangerous indoors, and Federer and Rosset couldn't really do much against Safin and Kafelnikov in the doubles against Russia last year, so I wonder if this one might go to the Dutch.

I'm actually thinking of finally getting off the fence and supporting the Swiss for this tie just to get a rematch with France - although considering that the French beat both Switzerland and Holland in away ties in 2001, it doesn't matter much does it?

TennisHack
02-06-2003, 04:50 PM
:wavey: Lee!

Sjengster, it's Haarhuis/Verkerk in the doubles. It could be a costly change, as they have never played with each other before :eek: Federer/Rosset is also a weird pairing, considering Federer/Allegro was a fine pair at the Aussie Open. I just hope Marc knows what the hell he's doing.

Yay, another addition to the cheering squad! :bounce:

Sjengster
02-06-2003, 04:51 PM
Originally posted by Lee
What's the problem with the Russian team? They look like heading to a funeral :rolleyes:

The Spain team also look like they want to be anywhere but here!

I have this theory that the Russians always look glum and downcast in these public venues and press conferences, something to do with the Russian mentality. Or perhaps they're all just missing the wit and wisdom of Safin to help cheer them up - no disrespect to Yevgeny, but which of the two main Russian players would you prefer as company on a night out?

And as for the Spanish, I agree that Corretja looks as if he's thinking about whether he forgot to set the VCR on his TV, Moya is staring vacantly into the distance and the team captain, Jordi Arrese, is sitting there in the middle with a bemused expression as if to say "Why the hell don't you guys cheer up? This tie is a virtual walk-over, right?" :)

TennisHack
02-06-2003, 04:52 PM
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20030206/capt.1044546845germany_argentina_davis_cup_bai104. jpg
Argentine team


http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20030206/capt.1044546129germany_argentina_davis_cup_bai102. jpg
German team

Sjengster
02-06-2003, 04:53 PM
Haarhuis-Verkerk, is it? I see. Well it does make a surprising line-up, although when you look at their strengths they certainly seem more suited for doubles than the stiff-framed Sjengster. And well, if Rosset is team captain and all, I guess he does know what he's doing by deciding to partner Federer - though if it all goes wrong, Roger knows who to blame!

TennisHack
02-06-2003, 04:55 PM
Originally posted by Sjengster
I have this theory that the Russians always look glum and downcast in these public venues and press conferences, something to do with the Russian mentality. Or perhaps they're all just missing the wit and wisdom of Safin to help cheer them up - no disrespect to Yevgeny, but which of the two main Russian players would you prefer as company on a night out?

And as for the Spanish, I agree that Corretja looks as if he's thinking about whether he forgot to set the VCR on his TV, Moya is staring vacantly into the distance and the team captain, Jordi Arrese, is sitting there in the middle with a bemused expression as if to say "Why the hell don't you guys cheer up? This tie is a virtual walk-over, right?" :)

Agree with the Russian assessment -- Russians aren't happy-go-lucky, just by nature. Zhenya is always soooo serious looking; so is Misha. The youngster on the left, Igor something-or-other, is kinda cute, though :o

And LMAO at the Spanish assessment, especially Costa! :D

Lee
02-06-2003, 05:03 PM
Any idea who will be playing doubles for US?

The first day match up between Croatia & US does not look good IMO! Just hope James can put everything together and Mardy somehow can play up a notch.

Lee
02-06-2003, 05:07 PM
Originally posted by TennisHack
:wavey: Lee!

Sjengster, it's Haarhuis/Verkerk in the doubles. It could be a costly change, as they have never played with each other before :eek: Federer/Rosset is also a weird pairing, considering Federer/Allegro was a fine pair at the Aussie Open. I just hope Marc knows what the hell he's doing.

Yay, another addition to the cheering squad! :bounce:

I guess Wilander want to save Schalken to win 2 singles and Haarhuis is a very good double player and can play with anyone. And for Rosset, I guess he just love to play and since he's the captain, he can do whatever he wants. :D

Sjengster
02-06-2003, 05:07 PM
Again sorry for not knowing the details, but surely it will be Blake and Fish as they did against Slovakia last year? I did once suggest Dent might partner Blake because of his volleying skills, but now that I consider his inexperience in Davis Cup and the fact that he'd probably try to serve bigger and harder than both the Croats no matter what the result, perhaps not.

Interesting though, how the US for this tie have almost become a two-man team - now you know the feeling...

Lee
02-06-2003, 05:08 PM
Oops! Not Wilander, wrong team captain. :o

Sorry Bogtstra! :o

TennisHack
02-06-2003, 05:11 PM
Originally posted by Lee
Any idea who will be playing doubles for US?

The first day match up between Croatia & US does not look good IMO! Just hope James can put everything together and Mardy somehow can play up a notch.

Blake/Fish will be playing Ivanisevic/Ljubicic.

I think James can defeat Mario, but I'm not so sure about Fish . . .

Sjengster
02-06-2003, 05:11 PM
I believe his name's something like Tjerk Bogtstra, or a similarly unpronounceable Dutch name, am I right?

ILR
02-06-2003, 05:11 PM
:wavey:

all you tall people :p Well I am still one of the smallest people in my year at school,one of my friends,hes male is 6ft 2 :eek: Hes really tall,I hate standing next to him :p

Thanks for the piccies Hackie :D

And just thought Id tell you all,my grandmas dog,well hes more of a family dog passed away last night in his sleep.:( but he was 16 and had a good life.:) Miss you Toby!

TennisHack
02-06-2003, 05:13 PM
Originally posted by Sjengster
Interesting though, how the US for this tie have almost become a two-man team - now you know the feeling...

LOL! PMac has always wanted a two-man team, which is why he won't pick up a doubles pair (*coughBryanbroscough*) that would help ease our doubles chances. He doesn't think its worth it because the Bryans aren't good enough as singles players.

Now he has one, Blake & Fish, and I guess we'll see how they do. Better than Roddick & Blake trying to pair for doubles :eek:

TennisHack
02-06-2003, 05:15 PM
:wavey: ILR

Sorry about your dog :( But it's good to know he lived a long, full life.

Lee
02-06-2003, 05:15 PM
Hi Emma! :wavey:

Originally posted by IluvRogi

And just thought Id tell you all,my grandmas dog,well hes more of a family dog passed away last night in his sleep.:( but he was 16 and had a good life.:) Miss you Toby!

Hope your grandma won't get too upset about this. :( I used to have a dog and got run over by a cab when it's crossing a street with my mom. I cried for an hour.

ILR
02-06-2003, 05:17 PM
:wavey: Hackie and Lee

well I think after losing my grandad only a couple of months ago,she will be upset :( but knowing he lived long and well will make her feel better :) thanks :)

Sjengster
02-06-2003, 05:19 PM
I must say I can't understand why any captain would want to have a two-man team, since I doubt any nation can get away with winning the Davis Cup without a stronger and deeper side (giants as Safin and Kafelnikov are, it was still Youzhny who pulled out the final win of the competition, after all).

Most other countries have specialist doubles players they put in only for the doubles, while keeping their other players fresh for the singles. Arnold and Etlis used to do it for Argentina, although Arnold has now partnered with Nalbandian, and of course Santoro will work perfectly with just about any other French player, be it Pioline, Llodra or Escude, and he was only brought in for singles once against the Czechs last year, to replace the injured Escude.

Sorry to switch the conversation back to my own country, but if we'd had a third man to use in doubles or as another singles player we would definitely have beaten Sweden last year and who knows... a home tie against Russia wouldn't have been that bad, I reckon.

Lee
02-06-2003, 05:19 PM
Is it you can only have 4 players in DC team? Is it you can only put in a 5th player on reverse single only if one of the players is hurt?

TennisHack
02-06-2003, 05:26 PM
Originally posted by Sjengster
I must say I can't understand why any captain would want to have a two-man team, since I doubt any nation can get away with winning the Davis Cup without a stronger and deeper side (giants as Safin and Kafelnikov are, it was still Youzhny who pulled out the final win of the competition, after all).

Well, when the captian thinks the sun shines out of his players' asses, he can become a little biased :rolleyes:

Needless to say there is no love lost between me & PMac.

Lee -- yes, there are only 4 players on a team, theoretically to have two singles players and two doubles players. Most of the time the fourth player doesn't play at all (or in a dead rubber) because usually there are two singles players and a doubles player like Sjengster mentioned. There are a few alternates to the team as well just in case someone gets injured.

Sjengster
02-06-2003, 05:26 PM
I think 4's the maximum you can normally have, but I may be wrong... I'm sure I remember the French having plenty of options for their semi and final last year, but then maybe's that because they've got so many players who can do the job properly. It must be brilliant to be the French team captain, knowing that you can choose around three different singles players and still have two completely different ones available for doubles.

TennisHack
02-06-2003, 05:27 PM
Speaking of Sjengster's team . . .

http://www.daviscup.com/shared/medialibrary/image/gallery/DC_1147_gallery.JPG

Um, who is who? :o

Sjengster
02-06-2003, 05:34 PM
Well, the less said about this lot the better, but from left to right they are: Alan Mackin, Miles Maclagan, Arvind Parmar and Alex Bogdanovic.

Mackin (a 5'8" scrawny Scot who is supposedly a clay-court specialist) and Bogdanovic will play singles while Maclagan and Parmar will be doubles players; as the most experienced player I would have thought Parmar would be in the singles, but when you consider that in his last live match he choked away a two-set lead against Giovanni Lapentti in the deciding match when Britain played Ecuador at Wimbledon, you can see why he was he left out...

Mackin's playing Philippoussis, which just for the difference in serve speeds should be fun to watch and sheer torture for the poor kid, but Hewitt-Bogdanovic could be interesting; Alex's inspiration is Goran, a fellow left-hander from the former Yugoslavia, and he's been rated as a good prospect for Britain in future. He took a set off Escude at Wimbledon last year, but then Escude was injured during that fortnight anyway.

Lee
02-06-2003, 05:35 PM
Down the road, a country with single players who can also play doubles will definitely have an edge in Davis Cup. With the way men's tennis, well ATP, is going, I doubt there will be anymore double specialists. There are less money in playing doubles, players can use their single ranking to get in majors double and like this year's AO, you can enter the draw really late, not much room is left for double specialists.

ILR
02-06-2003, 05:35 PM
Originally posted by TennisHack
Speaking of Sjengster's team . . .

http://www.daviscup.com/shared/medialibrary/image/gallery/DC_1147_gallery.JPG

Um, who is who? :o

lol Hackie,cant help you out there!:p:o

TennisHack
02-06-2003, 05:40 PM
Originally posted by Sjengster
Well, the less said about this lot the better, but from left to right they are: Alan Mackin, Miles Maclagan, Arvind Parmar and Alex Bogdanovic.

Mackin (a 5'8" scrawny Scot who is supposedly a clay-court specialist) and Bogdanovic will play singles while Maclagan and Parmar will be doubles players; as the most experienced player I would have thought Parmar would be in the singles, but when you consider that in his last live match he choked away a two-set lead against Giovanni Lapentti in the deciding match when Britain played Ecuador at Wimbledon, you can see why he was he left out...

Mackin's playing Philippoussis, which just for the difference in serve speeds should be fun to watch and sheer torture for the poor kid, but Hewitt-Bogdanovic could be interesting; Alex's inspiration is Goran, a fellow left-hander from the former Yugoslavia, and he's been rated as a good prospect for Britain in future. He took a set off Escude at Wimbledon last year, but then Escude was injured during that fortnight anyway.

Now, now, no need to get down on your team ;) I've heard good rumblings about Bogdanovic as well (including Eggy wishing he was a Russian prospect, which is pretty high praise in my eyes). Maybe he'll give Potatoman more of a run that we give him credit for.

As for Mackin . . . well, I'm leery of an Englishman who calls himself a clay-couter. THAT might be a thrashing.

TennisHack
02-06-2003, 05:42 PM
And just to round things out nicely:

The Scene is Set – Favourites Argentina take on Confident Germany
Held in the beautiful surroundings of the majestic 9 de Julio Avenue in central Buenos Aires, the draw for the first round of the Davis Cup by BNP Paribas between Argentina and Germany got underway this morning. In a packed conference hall, ITF representative Eduardo Moline O’Connor commented on the unrivalled popularity of the Davis Cup and on the special atmosphere and interest the competition, currently in its 104th year, continues to generate throughout the world. Wishing both of these established tennis nations the best of luck in the forthcoming rubbers, O’Connor passed proceedings over to Referee Paulo Pereira.

The newly-appointed Argentine captain, Gustavo Luza, nominated David Nalbandian and Gaston Gaudio as his two singles players, with the successful pairing of Lucas Arnold and David Nalbandian forming the doubles line-up. Patrick Kuhnen, another recently-appointed Davis Cup captain nominated Rainer Schuettler and Lars Burgsmuller as his singles players, with David Prinosil and Michael Kohlmann to play the doubles rubber on Saturday.

Rainer Schuettler, currently no.16 in the entry system and second in the Champions Race due to his gargantuan performance at the 2003 Australian Open, was pleased to be picked to play the first rubber on Friday against Gaston Gaudio. This, he said, would not only guarantee him an 11 o’clock start time but would also hopefully mean he could benefit from cooler conditions out on court.

Schuettler and Gaudio have only met on two previous occasions, with the series currently tied at one match apiece. Significantly, however, Schuettler won their last encounter in the 2003 Sydney International event and on his current scintillating form, he will certainly be hoping to get Germany off to a flying start on Friday morning.

Gaudio, the current world no. 22, had a disappointing Australian Open losing to Armenia’s Sargis Sargsian in the second round. However, now that he has returned to both his hometown and his favourite playing surface, he is confident of success.

In the second singles rubber, Germany’s Lars Burgsmuller will have a difficult time against the home favourite and highest ranked player of the tie, David Nalbandian. Since his historic achievements at Wimbledon 2002, when he miraculously reached the finals of the all-England Championships (interestingly not having played a single match on Centre Court), he has shot up the rankings and is now firmly established as one of the bright new stars on the international tennis circuit. He made his Davis Cup debut last year in the epic five-setter against Safin and Kafelnikov in the doubles of the World Group semifinal and will be looking to further his impressive form against Davis Cup debutant, Burgsmuller. The two have never met before so both will no doubt be looking to draw first blood in their head-to-head record.

In the post-draw press conference, both teams were relaxed and obviously enjoying the special atmosphere that a Davis Cup by BNP Paribas event produces. Despite being barraged with a number of questions about Argentina being the strong favourites to win the tie, Kuhnen and his team were confident that they had a good chance of winning. “Argentina go into this tie as the favourites. No doubt. But we have nothing to lose and we feel there is no pressure on us. All expectations are on the Argentinean team, so we can relax and hopefully we will come through the tie as winners” commented a laid-back Schuettler.

Between them, these two great tennis nations have some 170 years of Davis Cup experience. They are both currently ranked in the top 20 of the ITF Davis Cup Nations Ranking, with Argentina leading 12th-placed Germany at No.7. Last year was Argentina’s best Davis Cup year since their 1981 Final appearance, as they defeated Davis Cup giants Australia as well as Croatia en route to their semifinal match-up against Russia. Although they lost to the eventual 2002 Champions, their inspiring performance in last year’s event propelled them up the Nations Rankings and sent out a clear message to the rest of the world that Argentina was now an international tennis force to be reckoned with.

This is the seventh encounter between the two nations with Argentina leading the series 4-2. Although Argentina has a stronger line-up this time, three-time Champions Germany have much more World Group experience, which they will hope to use to their advantage in the next three days of tantalising Davis Cup play.

The draw is as follows:

Gaston Gaudio (ARG) v Rainer Schuettler (GER)
David Nalbandian (ARG) v Lars Burgsmuller (GER)
David Nalbandian/Lucas Arnold (ARG) v David Prinosil/Michael Kohlmann (GER)
David Nalbandian (ARG) v Rainer Schuettler (GER)
Gaston Gaudio (ARG) v Lars Burgsmuller (GER)

Lee
02-06-2003, 05:43 PM
Originally posted by TennisHack

As for Mackin . . . well, I'm leery of an Englishman who calls himself a clay-couter. THAT might be a thrashing.

Well, I heard a lot about Scots being very tough guys, hope he is tough enough.

Good Luck Mackin! :p

TennisHack
02-06-2003, 05:44 PM
And as he predicted during Milan, Zhenya WILL NOT be playing singles.

I think Russia can kiss its title defense goodbye :(

Mikhail Youzhny leads Russia in Ostrava
Mikhail Youzhny, hero of last year's final against France in Paris, leads the Russian team in the Davis Cup by BNP Paribas World Group first round tie against the Czech Republic in Ostrava.

"But I am not the number one in our team. Marat Safin is not here because of his injury, but we still have Yevgeny Kafelnikov in the team. I am number one only for the first day," explained the world No. 27 after the draw ceremony, where he found out he had to play the second match on Friday against Radek Stepanek, currently ranked No. 55. "I beat him in Doha in two sets but it was really a bad match from Stepanek.”

Although being nominated as the team's number one for the first time in his career, Youzhny was not the main focus of attention at the draw ceremony. The nomination of Nikolay Davydenko, currently ranked No. 62, to play singles on day one was the biggest surprise.

The expectations were that Milan finalist Yevgeny Kafelnikov would be team leader, but the decision of captain Shamil Tarpischev was different. Davydenko would play the singles and Kafelnikov, together with Youzhny, was nominated for doubles against one of the tour’s most experienced pairings, Martin Damm and Cyril Suk. The Czechs are set to make only their second Davis Cup appearance together after a gap of eight years.

"I have to thank Tarpischev for nominating me. I am in a team for the first time and I should play a match. It is a big honour for me," said Davydenko.

But changes can still be made to nominations for Sunday's matches. “The fact that Yevgeny is not playing on Friday doesn't mean that he will not play on Sunday. We can still change a nomination," Tarpischev said. The Russian captain chose Davydenko, the winner of this year's tournament in Adelaide, for singles a few days ago, before the Russian team arrived in Ostrava on Monday.

"I don't feel healthy enough to play three best-of-five sets matches," said Kafelnikov, the only player who remembers the last match between Russia and Czech Republic in St Petersburg in 1994, when Russia won 3-2. "It was a tough match and this one will be very similar.”

Kafelnikov’s nomination only for doubles surprised his Czech opponents. Czech captain Robert Krechler said: “I knew about the possibility of Davydenko playing singles but I wasn't thinking much of it. But it is true that Kafelnikov was not the best Russian in a practise."

In Friday’s opening singles rubber, Davydenko will face world No. 10 Jiri Novak. The 2002 Australian Open semifinalist said: "I didn't think that Yevgeny wouldn't play at all. He was there practising with the team whole week. He is not a kind of player coming for a Davis Cup tie without playing in it. Maybe he is not in a good shape, maybe he doesn't believe in himself, who knows. But I still think that the Russian team is the favourite."

ILR
02-06-2003, 05:44 PM
lol Hackie,I am down on our team,its not exactly as strong as it could be,not even half.Lol at a scrawny Scott who calls himself a claycourter,maybe it would be fun :o for Mark ;)

Lee
02-06-2003, 05:50 PM
What the Russian team is doing? :mad: I doubt whatever double team Russia put together, they are not likely to win the it over the double specialists from Czech. Why don't they have Zhenya just play the singles?:mad:

Sjengster
02-06-2003, 05:53 PM
Well, it's true that as a Scot Mackin could put up a good fight, but hell, he's playing Hewitt after all - and he's got the dubious distinction of being the only player actually shorter than the Potato in this tie, apart I think from Todd Woodbridge on the Aussie side.

When I say he's a clay-court specialist, I should stress that that's where he started playing most of his tennis and where he has good Challenger results - it's still not up to international standard, and I should imagine his best on clay is nowhere near as good as Hewitt's worst despite the fact that Hewitt is not exactly comfortable on such a slow surface himself. And as for putting him up against all the huge weapons of mighty Mark P. - eek, what an embarrassing prospect we have in store.

As regards the Russians, it seems their prospects are getting slimmer; I'm supporting the Czechs on this one because I'd like Novak to get a new boost after his disappointing attempt to repeat last year's AO semi, but it is a pity that both Safin and Kafelnikov won't feature in singles, at least on the first day. Still, if Youzhny were to play out of his skin in both singles and pair up well with the Y-Man, Russia could snatch the win, but it's certainly a long shot.

TennisHack
02-06-2003, 06:01 PM
Originally posted by Lee
What the Russian team is doing? :mad: I doubt whatever double team Russia put together, they are not likely to win the it over the double specialists from Czech. Why don't they have Zhenya just play the singles?:mad:

Zhenya is just not as good as he used to be, and he spent a week on his favorite surface, indoor carpet -- which is about as far from clay as you can get. I guess, logistically, it was the smart choice to wait him out until the doubles match, but realistically, the chances that Russia will get through this are fewer and fewer. If Safin was playing singles, I wouldn't be so hesitant.

Guess we know now why the Russians looked so down in the mouth. I would be to if I had to front Misha & Nikolai against Novak & Stepanek.

Lee
02-06-2003, 06:02 PM
I just hope that it's the team captain, not Zhenya himself lost confidence in his single play.