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Puss-in-Boots
01-21-2003, 11:36 AM
OH.... MY..... GOD.

I'd spent the whole day away reading and playing computer games and :o :o looking for Legolas pics :o . I felt happier again, so I thought I'd drop by.... maybe I really should have stayed away till AO was over. :(

Not the tiebreaks again... :sad: :(

Please, Juanqui... it isn't over yet... just keep fighting...

Vera
01-21-2003, 11:36 AM
And he can't even get a point from Wayne's serve. Brilliant! I hope ESPN won't show his match. PMac must be in joy already. Have all the opportunity to ridicule him for 2 fucking plus hour.

Doris Loeffel
01-21-2003, 11:36 AM
Hold serve now!!
and then break him!!
Come on Juanqui!! Fight as hard as you can!!

Vera
01-21-2003, 11:37 AM
Don't you lost that serve :mad:

Doris Loeffel
01-21-2003, 11:37 AM
Darn MP
Come on Juanqui save it!!!

Layla
01-21-2003, 11:37 AM
Originally posted by Vera
I don't usually get mad when he lost. But this is too fucking seriously ridiculous. He's 4th in the world and what a pitiful performance :mad:

That's ok. I'm mad too. :mad: This is such a disappointing performance. It's RG final all over again. :sad:

And I'm even more mad because I've taken time off work for this torture.

A double fault gives Wayne a match point, which he just missed by an inch.

lokon
01-21-2003, 11:38 AM
sigh :sad:

Doris Loeffel
01-21-2003, 11:39 AM
Too bad :sad:

Now I really do no longer care who wins this. Guess Younes would be the best choice now....

vaiva
01-21-2003, 11:40 AM
Damn :mad:

My trick didn't work. I had hopes he will comeback at some point.

It looks more and more likely that I'll follow TH example and will boycot the final. :sad:

Layla
01-21-2003, 11:40 AM
Originally posted by Dissident
Ferreiraīs games are going TOOOO fast! :eek:
Is he hitting aces all along?

Surprise, surprise! He lost! :rolleyes: Sorry but I'm just in an ultra-sarcastic mood so I'll hold back on my comments. Sarcastic, but still crying. :sad::sad::sad:

No, Dissident, Wayne wasn't even serving particularly well, that's what's so ironic. Juanqui was serving much better than him.

vaiva
01-21-2003, 11:41 AM
*hug* *hug* *hug*

Layla
01-21-2003, 11:43 AM
Great! What a terrible day. First Sebastien and now Juanqui! :sad: The AO is now pretty much over for me. I still have SchŁttler, but it seems pretty obvious it's going to be an Agassi-Roddick final and I seriously don't give a flying fuck who wins that! :fiery: All I know is I'm not watching it.

Puss-in-Boots
01-21-2003, 11:44 AM
Bloody hell... the mens tournament's now a bloody effing catastrophe... Roddick beats Youzhny :mad: , Rogi out, Lleyton out, and now Juanqui... to FERREIRA?! :sad:

I'm sorry everyone. :( *hug*

Vera
01-21-2003, 11:45 AM
Thank you Wayne to shorten the pain. Now, we can really forget Sydney and have this one to dwell on. :rolleyes:

My AO is officially over. And WTF, let's Ahole win this whole thing, at least he deserves it. Whatever, I don't give a shit anymore.

It's almost 5 am in the morning and I cannot be more mean. Should go to bed before I go insane.

Okay, this one is easier, being mad is better than being sad :mad:

Anyway, good night everyone :wavey: Good day is more right.

lokon
01-21-2003, 11:47 AM
oh juanqui :sad: :sad:

but if being a fan of monica has taught me anything, its how to take the defeat of your faves. He'll be back, no worries

Layla
01-21-2003, 11:47 AM
Yep, I think it's time for a group hug. http://www.smilies.org/basesmilies/grouphug.gif *hug* *hug* *hug*

lokon
01-21-2003, 11:49 AM
thanks layla :D have a good night or morning vera :)

Dissident
01-21-2003, 11:51 AM
Im joining that....
:sad:

vaiva
01-21-2003, 11:52 AM
Of course he will be fine and back. It's very heart-breaking because it was a great opportunity with so many players missing or already out. Looks like senior citizens flourish in these conditions. :rolleyes:

Now wait for all haters to start their campaign.

Layla
01-21-2003, 11:52 AM
Bye Vera! :wavey:

I wouldn't mind him losing to Agassi in the semis so much, but this was just way too embarrasing. Not because he lost to Ferreira, who's a good player, but because he performed so awfully and practically handed him the match. I'm not worried about him though. He's picked himself up before and he'll do it again. Just one more lesson on the way to the top. ;)

I think I've stopped crying so I can go back to work. See you later! :wavey:

vaiva
01-21-2003, 11:54 AM
Bye Layla & Vera :wavey:

I'm also going back to work.

Francine
01-21-2003, 11:59 AM
I can't believe this. I didn't go for a walk, I just had some lunch and during the time I eat two sandwiches HE LOSES A WHOLE FUCKING SET. This hurts a lot, It's like Layla said, RG all over again. Watching him loose live on tv hurts so much more then checking the scores afterwards, at least thats how I experience it. I can't believe he was a break up in the 1st and screwed it up, I can't believe he was serving for the 2nd and screwed 3 setpoints up, really screwed them up, it's not that Wayne played well and stole them, well at least not on the last 2, I just can't believe he lost to bloody Wayne Ferreira! And I'm starting to believe Dutch commentary when they say he hasn't got an fighters-spirit, when he's down he's down and he gets angry with himself and just seems to loose all faith. I mean, I do that as well, but I'M not out there and there's nothing I can do about it. Jezus I'm mad.

Dissident
01-21-2003, 12:02 PM
:(

Im going now too. :wavey:
Have a good day all of you. :)

Francine
01-21-2003, 12:03 PM
An now, how ironic, I have a tennis lesson. Talk to you later.

Chloe le Bopper
01-21-2003, 12:46 PM
Well it appears that he just comepletly folded up the tent after losing the second set, which is terrible coming from a top 5 player.

After failing to close out the set in the second, I knew that he was done, and just stopped following.


And I'm starting to believe Dutch commentary when they say he hasn't got an fighters-spirit, when he's down he's down and he gets angry with himself and just seems to loose all faith.

Well, I said it before and will say it again...

I agree with this to a point. Yes, he's fought out big matches before.

But he consistently fails to take out players that he should on the biggest stage.

Whatever "it" is, it isn't in him.

But that's fine - I never really felt that it was, and it doesn't change anything about who I support.

TennisHack
01-21-2003, 01:15 PM
:wavey:

I had an inkling something was wrong when I woke up and said to myself, "Just making the quarters is something -- all the rest is gravy!" Then I checked the scores and lo and behold . . . the shit continued through yesterday :rolleyes:

I just read the scores here and it sounds as what I suspected -- except I thought his serve would have let him down, so that was a pleasant surprise :)

And to whoever asked, yes:

Ferrero said he lost his confidence after squandering breaks in the first two sets and losing both in tiebreakers.

"Losing the first two sets 7-6, 7-6, it's very tough to come back,'' he said. "Tennis is like this.''

I know its tough to do, but we have to be positive about this :) He made the quarterfinals here, and everything else *is* gravy.

That said, though, I couldn't give a damn who wins the mens' tournament. I will indeed be boycotting the final as I have no favorites left and no players I could stand to watch. It's just hard to figure out when to stop taping, because I do still have Kimmy, and I want to get her matches, but no one else's. So if someone could tell me when they're going to show her remaing matches, I'd be quite grateful :)

PMac can crow all he wants about this, it was terrible performance on Juan Carlos's part, but that doesn't change that this was his best ever Australian Open result, and that he's riding a wave of better play.

Chloe le Bopper
01-21-2003, 01:18 PM
Well... I still have David.

But I fear an upset against Rainer.

Then I will root for Rainer ;)

alixia84
01-21-2003, 02:20 PM
:wavey:

I rushed home from work to find Juan two sets down and trailing 2-0 in the third :( Trying to stay positive but like most people have said, it just smacked too badly of the RG final. *sigh*

Here's hoping he'll pick himself back up. :)

Lee
01-21-2003, 02:37 PM
Have the premonition that it's doom!

Very relutant to turn on the computer
dare not come to ATPworld
bring up the home page of AO
see the head line
shut down the computer
busy myself with all kinds of stuff
bring up the computer
and.........

http://www.smilies.org/basesmilies/grouphug.gif

Tell myself to prepare a happy face since today is Vince birthday. So here is another http://www.smilies.org/basesmilies/grouphug.gif

Francine
01-21-2003, 03:51 PM
Well, you guys have no idea how therapeutic it works to go and play some tennis yourself after your favorite has messed up. I just went out there with the idea: ok Ferrero, pay attention, I'm gonna show you how it's done :D And 10 minutes later I had experienced again how difficult the sport is and I forgave him. (He was really waiting for THAT so he could move on :p) Anywayzzz, I agree, it's a good result, I just wish he would've lost to a better player. And I really can't stand the thought of Andy Roddick winning this (basicly I can't stand the thought of Pandy winning a GS before JC does :o ), so I'm going to root for everybody who is NOT Andy Roddick. And now I'm going to read the interview and let Juanqui explain himself.

Francine
01-21-2003, 04:02 PM
Hmmmm, there is no interview.

RogiFan
01-21-2003, 04:16 PM
:( Ay!!!!

Juanqui suffered a cruel reversal of hope in his match vs. Ferreira! Wayne posed a veritable barrier for Juanqui. Juanqui started off well, positive and broke Wayne off the bat. But right away he knew it w be a tough match as Wayne quickly levelled the games. Then W just used his experience and knowhow to dominate Juanqui and never looked back... 2nd set Juanqui was "impotent" vs. W and couldn't consolidate -- this was to be his undoing. Too many errors, demoralized, psychological battle and he basically threw in the towel in the 3rd set to lose the match... :( :(

This is how one Spanish paper summed it up [above].

Poor Juanqui said he really wanted to play AA in the Semis and he' so depressed but that's how tennis is and there's nothing you can do about it... :( he said after losing the 1st 2 sets he lost concentration and physically was OK but his head wasn't working... he said he played badly and then the wind and cold bothered him cos it was hot the day before...

it's nice that Robredo and Portas were there for Juanqui, to no avail...

why does this always happen to our guys????

i can't believe how this tourney has gone... no use watching the final -- i've wasted enough time watching the mostly BORING matches they show anyway...

today I guess I'll watch Juanqui... for what it's worth...

This young batch of players is too spoiled, lazy, unwilling to work hard for their success or to train properly -- it defies logic how a 32-yr-old baldy never gets injured [oops, i forgot about his CAREER-ENDING "wrist" injury last year :rolleyes: ] and is in better shape than all these young guys... it doesn't make sense.

right now I'm feeling bitter and angry, not so much sad anymore... if the inevitable happens, then there's not much hope for the future of tennis... pls tell me I'm horribly wrong!

[so much for my previous avatar :rolleyes: ]

TennisHack
01-21-2003, 04:43 PM
Yup, that's right, no interview :rolleyes:

Because obviously we must hang on Agassihole's every word instead :rolleyes:

Roddick is not going to win this, Agassihole is :fiery: Roddick doesn't have the balls to beat Younes or Rainer or David, much less his idol of all time :rolleyes:

Juan Carlos will win his first Slam before Roddick, don't worry about that :D He has it in him, today was just not his day. THIS was the real Aussie plan -- give him day matches until their precious Potatoman was out, then throw him the night match, totally changed conditions, at the hardest level to step up your game ;)

Everyone else is right -- might as well just give Agassihole the damn trophy now and save us all the trouble, not to mention hype :rolleyes: He said if he won, he'd get Steffi to play mixed doubles with him in Paris. I can't believe she's married to this idiot! :eek: When she said she was going to leave, she fucking meant it :rolleyes:

TennisHack
01-21-2003, 04:45 PM
But enough bad energy . . .

Crowd to back Kim on Day 10 :)
Tuesday, 21 January, 2003
by Ashley Browne

On Wednesday, host nation Australia will have the next-best thing to a home player competing in the Australian Open.

Lleyton Hewitt's girlfriend, the No.4 seed Kim Clijsters, will open proceedings on Centre Court on Rod Laver Arena playing Anastasia Myskina for a semi-final berth and 'Aussie Kim', as she has become known, can expect raucous support from the crowd.

Myskina, the No.8 seed from Russia, holds a 2-1 edge in their tournament play, however Clijsters emerged a 6-4, 6-2 winner from their only hard-court match to date, which took place last year in Filderstadt, Germany.

Next up on Centre Court will be the Serena Williams-Meghann Shaughnessy clash and the only time the two Americans have met was last year at Sydney's adidas International. Shaughnessy was leading 5-4 in their semi-final when Williams was forced to retire with an ankle injury.

The first of the men's quarter finals will be played as the final match of the afternoon session, with No.31 seed Rainer Schuettler meeting No.10 seed David Nalbandian. Germany's Schuettler holds a 2-1 record only their only hard court clash, at Indian Wells last year, resulted in a 4-6, 6-4, 6-2 win to Nalbandian.

The evening session will feature the last of the men's quarter-finals and will pit Hewitt's conqueror, No.18 seed Younes El Aynaoui against the No.9 seed from the United States, Andy Roddick.

==============================================

Kim & Ai lost in doubles to the Williams sisters last night, in two sets, so I hope that's not a foretelling of what's to come . . . Kim & Anastasia will be good, I think, but I hope this apple cart doesn't get upset as well.

GO KIMMY! :) :bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce:

Lee
01-21-2003, 06:00 PM
Schuettler vs Nalbandian is a day match while El Aynaoui vs Roddick at night. So, unless ESPN not showing live tennis, we will be able to see two non-American players tonight. What a change!!!!

ILR
01-21-2003, 06:08 PM
Hi Lee :wavey:

another sad day :sad: nopw all my faves are out.:(:(:( Ill not speak much about that!

Im on my break Ive just spent ages writing out the advantages of databases :rolleyes: and I seriously need to get away from that!

Lee
01-21-2003, 06:31 PM
Hi Emma!

Yes, much better find another topic. How about I have to delivery all those muffins and juice to Vince school today cos it's his birthday. :D :D

Advantages of databases! Are you talking about computer databases or some other form?

ILR
01-21-2003, 06:34 PM
Its his birthday today?If so happy birthday to him and if its not well happy birthday to him when it is!:D

Yeh advantages of databases on computers,seriously boring when you are writing about them for an hour to put in your coursework but I guess it has to be done!

Vera
01-21-2003, 06:37 PM
Hi all :wavey:

I woke up feeling drained today :(. And also found myself weeping in sleep bcos of an unpleasant dream (though, Juanqui wasn't in my dream). I am not angry no more, start feeling sad for him and that sucks even more. Though I think I should just hate him, bcos I always hate the person who beat him, and apparently, last night, that person was himself :mad: :sad:.

And I'm also beginning to wonder if he has it in him. Sorry, I really don't want to doubt him but he's giving me too many chances. But, having said that, I will still love and support him. There's no reason not to (unless he turns into a spoiled brat like Roddick), maybe he's no tennis hero, but he is still the same Juanqui I know from the beginning and his good qualities are there no matter what happen to tennis.

Maybe it's easier if I just let myself believe that he doesn't have it in him to win a big one, and then sit back and relax and wait for him to surprise me. But of course, this is easier said then done. Once he plays another tournament, I'm sure I'll expect him to win the whole thing again :rolleyes:.

Anyway, it wasn't a disappointed AO appearance. I'm just bad at putting things into perspective. And QF is not enough for me, I expect him to be in SF and put up a great fight with Ahole and possibly upset him and feel proud even if he doesn't. That is called getting ahead of myself and setting myself up for a big disappointment, and so I'm paying for it now. And if he didn't play like that last night, it really wouldn't have hurt so much. Oh well, what more can I say. Maybe if Moya didn't lose to Fish, Carlos would have been able to bring the best out of Juanqui in a big QF match, but who knows.

I Know it's tough to learn to change your mind set. I for one suck at that. So maybe I should cut him some slacks, he's human afterall. If I can just hug him and tell him myself that it's okay, maybe I will feel better. It's kinda tough just sitting here wondering if he's suffering from any catastrophic after effects, that kinda drives me crazy.

Anyway, I'll try not to be so pathetic to just sit here and dwell on his lost, afterall, this has no effect in my life. Tennis is just a game (that's talking to myself out loud). Dammit, i should get over it.

:sad: :sad: :sad:

Lee
01-21-2003, 06:39 PM
Originally posted by IluvRogi
Its his birthday today?If so happy birthday to him and if its not well happy birthday to him when it is!:D

Yeh advantages of databases on computers,seriously boring when you are writing about them for an hour to put in your coursework but I guess it has to be done!

Yes, it is! And thanks!

Computer databases, I hate it myself too even I worked in this field. Anyway, there is a new term 'data warehousing'. Hope I'm still right with new terms since I am quite out of it now.

Back in 20 min.

kiro
01-21-2003, 06:39 PM
Yes, another sad day...:sad:

I just watched the match on tv. Juanqui did fight in set 1 and 2 but lost himself in the 3rd... after the 2nd tie-break, he sat there looking so upset...Tonight it's cold and windy there. I'm really sad to see that...hope he can recover from the loss ASAP.

Vera
01-21-2003, 06:39 PM
Well, I'm leaving.

Have a great day, Lee and Emma and Kiro (if you're still here).

:wavey:

ILR
01-21-2003, 06:41 PM
Vera,it does affect your life in a way because this loss makes you feel very sad as he is your fave.I know how you feel!You're not being silly,thats just how it is!Its obvious you are going to doubt him because you are upset that he has lost.And although tennis is only a game,its a very importnat one to us.

ILR
01-21-2003, 06:42 PM
Hi Kiro and byw Vera :wavey:

I wont be long because Liverpool are on TV and I need to watch them with full concentration as I do with Rogi matches especially. :)

Dissident
01-21-2003, 06:42 PM
HAPPY BIRTHDAY VINCE!!! :D:D :bounce:
Congrats, Lee! :)

jcluvva
01-21-2003, 06:43 PM
I can't find JC's interview on the Aussie Open site didn't he do one?

Dissident
01-21-2003, 06:47 PM
Originally posted by xxfrancine
Well, you guys have no idea how therapeutic it works to go and play some tennis yourself after your favorite has messed up. I just went out there with the idea: ok Ferrero, pay attention, I'm gonna show you how it's done :D And 10 minutes later I had experienced again how difficult the sport is and I forgave him. (He was really waiting for THAT so he could move on :p) Anywayzzz, I agree, it's a good result, I just wish he would've lost to a better player. And I really can't stand the thought of Andy Roddick winning this (basicly I can't stand the thought of Pandy winning a GS before JC does :o ), so I'm going to root for everybody who is NOT Andy Roddick. And now I'm going to read the interview and let Juanqui explain himself.

Oh, I have a clear idea of that.
When Guga lost, thats exactly what I did. I even commented here... :p My back was sore untill yesterday, because I was hittting the crap out of the ball.
Both guys I played said my serve was great. Why? Because I went for them all, since the serve is the best weapon to vent frustration.... :o lol
Next time I guess Iīll stick to deleting my bookmarks too. ;) The price was a little bit too high, just to hit some 20 aces in two days... :p

Dissident
01-21-2003, 06:48 PM
The interview is not there.
I dont think he didnt take it. I just think the guys there thought it wasnt interesting enough.
As Davidīs.... :mad:

Dissident
01-21-2003, 06:49 PM
Im going now. Will be back for the tennis at night! :wavey:

ILR
01-21-2003, 06:49 PM
Bye Diss :wavey:

ILR
01-21-2003, 06:57 PM
right now I have to go,Go Liverpool!:D :bounce: Ill be on at half tme again probably!see ya!:wavey:

Lee
01-21-2003, 07:24 PM
Originally posted by Lee
Schuettler vs Nalbandian is a day match while El Aynaoui vs Roddick at night. So, unless ESPN not showing live tennis, we will be able to see two non-American players tonight. What a change!!!!

I am quoting myself cause I am so stupid to think ESPN will show a German vs Argentine. They are showing Justine's match last night and said tonight's matches with be Venus vs Meghan and Kim vs Myskina. So, the only quarter final we will not see is......

Lee
01-21-2003, 07:27 PM
Need to run, delivery duty!

TennisHack
01-21-2003, 07:39 PM
Originally posted by Vera
Maybe it's easier if I just let myself believe that he doesn't have it in him to win a big one, and then sit back and relax and wait for him to surprise me. But of course, this is easier said then done. Once he plays another tournament, I'm sure I'll expect him to win the whole thing again :rolleyes:.

I've seen this in a lot of places, and I just don't agree with it. Juan Carlos has it in him to win a major title -- after all, he's been in the semis at least for the last 3 years at Roland Garros, and he's won Masters Series titles and been in the final of the Masters Cup. None of that is anything to sneeze at, in my opinion. And yes, he wants to get to #1, but he's going to have to do it one match at a time just like Potatoman did it. And he's working on that -- his net game has really improved this year -- and he was finally a favorite to win a Slam other than RG. These are all vast improvements to his game and his profile as a tennis player, and the only way he has to go is up. His mental fortitude is finally there -- nobody can be like Potatoman, though, so we shouldn't really compare the two in terms of mental strength. It's the rock of Hewitt's game whereas the other Top 10ers have some sort of natural talent somewhere, no matter how deeply hidden it is ;)

I'd seriously be surprised if Juan Carlos doesn't win Roland Garros this year. He's playing much better than I ever expected already this year and his new weapons can only help him. He has pared down his schedule so he'll peak at the right time. He's doing everything right.

And of course as a fan you want him to do well :) We all do, and these are the toughest times to believe in him because he just let us down. He's probably beating up on himself too because he knows what an opportunity he missed. But Ferreira was just too good. After two tiebreaks, Ferrero acknowledged that and saved himself some wear and tear. It's not a crime, it's not even shameful.

Anyway, we just don't need to get ahead of ourselves. It's a very tough thing to do, and I have problems with it as well so don't think I'm just trying to preach at you ;) Instead of looking ahead in his draw, I worry obsessively about each match as it comes. So somehow, we all balance out :D


Anyway, it wasn't a disappointed AO appearance. I'm just bad at putting things into perspective. And QF is not enough for me, I expect him to be in SF and put up a great fight with Ahole and possibly upset him and feel proud even if he doesn't. That is called getting ahead of myself and setting myself up for a big disappointment, and so I'm paying for it now. And if he didn't play like that last night, it really wouldn't have hurt so much. Oh well, what more can I say. Maybe if Moya didn't lose to Fish, Carlos would have been able to bring the best out of Juanqui in a big QF match, but who knows.

I personally happen to be cautiously optimistic because other good things are starting to happen for me, so perhaps its easier for me to accept this loss, knowing that I have at least one happy thing going on elsewhere. But really, after years and years and years of being negative, I've found that the only way you're going to make it is to grub out some positive thing from the experience, or just ignore it all together ;) For instance, you're right, a Grand Slam QF -- the FIRST Grand Slam, no less -- is amazing. Almost nobody expected him to be there considering his quarter of the draw. And yeah, if Moya had been his opponent instead of Ferreira we might have a different story on our hands, but then again we might not -- Moya has defeated Juanqui on hard before. So there's really no reason to go back and wonder and make it harder on ourselves. It's going to take a few days for all of us to move on, as well as Juan Carlos himself. I'm sure he's reliving at least some part of that match, wishing he could have done it all differently. But when your forehand deserts you there's nothing you can do :(

Besides, he's now #3 in the world, only behind Potatoman and Agassihole. He's one step closer to his goal :) And he'll get there, eventually. There's no rule that says you have to be 20, 21 or else you'll never be at the top :)

As for the ignoring option, I'm going to ignore the final and all the bad press this match is going to garner and look forward on the calendar -- Davis Cup, where our boy shines :)

And don't worry about being affected by him. We all are, or else we wouldn't be commiserating. If you're passionate about something, of course it's going to affect you, and it's not a bad thing :)

Sorry to ramble on . . .

ILR
01-21-2003, 07:54 PM
Hi :wavey:

as promised,back at half time,1-0 up :D playing very well,hope we can keep it up.Goal by El Hadji Diuof.Not one of my fave players but tonight I will take anything!

ILR
01-21-2003, 08:10 PM
anyway Im off again!:wavey:

RogiFan
01-21-2003, 09:20 PM
:) Bye ILR!

You know after all is said and done, Juanqui has managed to get to the QF of a hard court slam and that's an accomplishment in itself these days! Just look at who's in the QF: 3 New Balls, an in-between ball and 4 oldies incl 1 baldy!!

As for Rogi, well, everyone expected MORE of him... he will win a slam in his own time, I say -- he can't be pressured. It doesn't work!

Oh yeah, Ferrero, Moya, Corretja and I think Costa are playing DC in Sevilla in a couple of weeks... wish I could be there to cheer them on! It's a beautiful venue!!;)

Vera
01-21-2003, 09:42 PM
Hackie :wavey:

Your post just made me cry even harder than last night (but itís good, so Iím not mad at you or anything just to be clear about that) :). If you are in front of me, Iíll give you a hug so hard. Itís good that thereís at least one voice here to make us realize how negative we can be. Believe me, I feel bad for having to doubt him. I mean, it will take a few days for me to have this loss sink into my system. Just watched the ESPN replay, they only showed the second half of set 2 and 3. Pretty much all the downfall of the match that theyíve shown. Thanks to ESPN again, maybe they just want to justify why they didnít show him in any previous rounds.

Iíve never like whatever Pmac has to say about Juan Carlos, but this time, I have to completely agree with him. How pathetic the third set is and you just canít play like that in a Grand Slam, no matter what the score is. At this point, I think this is worse than RG. At RG, he was nerve-strike but he fought even in the 4th set when he was already totally humiliated in the first 2. Last night, after not losing a game (in terms of score) in the first 2 sets, he completely gave up. And he deserved every single criticism Pmac has spilled on him at the 3rd. Now Iíve seen them all, frozen in RG, ďchokedĒ in TMC and now given up in here. I just couldnít be more sad. It just too disheartening at the moment. :sad: :sad: :sad:

In the past, I got upset but I always try to say some good things about his progress, this time, I donít know if I can be so positive about it. The manner of the loss really killed something in my heart. You know, every loss is getting harder and harder to swallow, and Iím just thinking maybe I have too much expectation on him so itís a time for a reality check. Iím getting nervous already for his next final. I really donít want to be negative and want to be able to enjoy his tennis, which is really why I like him in the first place. But at this point, Iím just too emotionally involved in this. Anyway, itís probably my problem and no fault to Juan Carlos. Like I said, adjusting my expectation doesnít mean that Iíve lost faith in him, but I canít expect him to win every single battle out there (which is what Iím doing right now, so itís really shame on me). I hope he wins RG this year, but again, we are getting ahead of ourselves. I said all those words about believing that he doesn't have it in him, is not because I'm being mean or sarcastical, I'm just wanting to talk myself out of this disappointment :(.

Anyway, itís like a big bitchy whinny post that I wrote and I really am sorry for spilling all those negativities all over you guys. But I promise I try not to think about it at least for the rest of the day and let myself cool. :)

BTW, the only thing that PMac said that I felt was a compliment (although he didn't mean to), is that he said, Juan Carlos is another bright young one with tremendous talent but lacks the mental tenacity...just like Safin and Federer. I'm glad that he finally admit that Juan Carlos is as talented as Marat and Rogi. Remembered I ranted about PMac putting down Juanqui at TMC when he lost to Rogi, when he said JC is not talented enough, that he's a notch down compare to Rogi? Anytime one got compared with Safin and Federer's talent is a compliment IMO. They even introduced him as a all-courter now :rolleyes: . Well, at least PMac see Juanqui's progress too.

RogiFan
01-21-2003, 09:55 PM
:) Hi Vera!

It is tough when your beloved player loses so decisively! Just like me to love the 3 talented but mentally unstable guys: Rogi, Juanqui and Marat!! ;) I don't care! They are HUMAN. [AA is a machine] [Pandy is a goofball] I could go on and on about them -- their good and bad points but I won't bother.

Juanqui and Rogi need some mental and emotional rest just now. We'll leave them be.

As for the fans, well, I'm not really following anything until DC -- for Spain and Switzerland and maybe Russia.

BTW, did you have your interview?? I was wondering how it went. Hope it went well for you. I have a friend in Vancouver who is wondering about her present job -- whether or not she still has one... As for me, I need to save my money for Montreal this summer!! We'll see what happens! [probably I'll go and Alex will decide NOT to go because his wife Marta will have had their first baby... ] ;)

Vera
01-21-2003, 10:38 PM
Thanks RF. I probably really should stop reading anything here right now. Any time you see me saying anything in GM regarding Juanqui is a sign of me losing it (especially responding to something like Juanqui is a choker). Anyway, like I said, I need to chill.

My interview is okay. I was a little rusty, not as prepared enough as I thought I was. But i didn't feel particularly bad about it so I gave myself a 7 out of 10. Good that I didn't get those scenario questions too much, I always stumble on those, probably not a quick thinker cos I'm an introvert (spelling?). I haven't heard from them yet but the interviewer seems to be hiring in a urgent and wants someone to jump right in to the job and pick up the slacks. So I can't say I'm totally qualify since I actually don't have any experience in that particular industry.

But it's a good starts. And now AO is over, I should concentrate on looking for a job, and I really should :o. Honestly, the market still sucks and even more sad when they said the States is not in any kind of recoverage any time soon, especially in the labour market. And if Bush goes to war with Iraq, then the financial recoverage will see no light :(. These news don't give me much confident. But I also have to learn to grind it out. All these time criticizing JC for not able to fight adversity... It's a very tough thing to do and we just don't realize until we have to deal with it. But it's good that I'm not killing myself with depression, that's only good, right :).

Anyway, don't want to bore you with more whining but I appreciate that you ask. So thanks a lot. I need to make some calls now. Talk to you later.

:)

vaiva
01-21-2003, 10:45 PM
Hi thread! :wavey: from ex-zosse

Eurosport showed some of Juanqui's interview after his loss. Basically, he looked disappointed but he also said that he is happy with this results this year (hey, a final and GS quarters ain't bad ;)) and that his QF appearance gave him as much points as his Monte Carlo win last year ;).

So things are really not that bad. Except that he lost 2 straight finals and played unbelievably badly in the slam QF. Or should I say he was outfoxed by the experienced person whose name most of you probably don't want to hear now.

An interesting point was made from a poster on another board whose opinion I value really high: Ferrero is known to often fail to hold his nerve and serve for the match on important moments. But I have never thought that he lacked will. His play during the third set was a huge disappointment to many of his fans and now it will be difficult to restore the respect and lost faith in him.

I did not lose any respect. I know this can happen to everybody (even the Potato). He will recover and regroup and will return stronger. As they say: what does not kill you makes you stronger (see what can you learn being a Marat fan ;))

TennisHack
01-21-2003, 10:53 PM
Originally posted by Vera
Your post just made me cry even harder than last night (but itís good, so Iím not mad at you or anything just to be clear about that) :). If you are in front of me, Iíll give you a hug so hard. Itís good that thereís at least one voice here to make us realize how negative we can be. Believe me, I feel bad for having to doubt him. I mean, it will take a few days for me to have this loss sink into my system. Just watched the ESPN replay, they only showed the second half of set 2 and 3. Pretty much all the downfall of the match that theyíve shown. Thanks to ESPN again, maybe they just want to justify why they didnít show him in any previous rounds.

First of all :o:o:o I didn't mean to make you cry, but if it made you feel better, then :) And secondly, I'm not the only one who has combatted the negative feelings after a loss ;)

And :rolleyes: at ESPN. They suck.


Iíve never like whatever Pmac has to say about Juan Carlos, but this time, I have to completely agree with him. How pathetic the third set is and you just canít play like that in a Grand Slam, no matter what the score is. At this point, I think this is worse than RG. At RG, he was nerve-strike but he fought even in the 4th set when he was already totally humiliated in the first 2. Last night, after not losing a game (in terms of score) in the first 2 sets, he completely gave up. And he deserved every single criticism Pmac has spilled on him at the 3rd. Now Iíve seen them all, frozen in RG, ďchokedĒ in TMC and now given up in here.

Like I said before, I think he was completely justified. He recognized that he had just fought his ass off with only a few cannons firing, and he still couldn't win the first two sets. Coming back from such tight sets is really tough, and instead of fighting it out like he did against Santoro, he folded and had himself a pity party. Juan Carlos is only human, of course he's going to do this sometimes. He was completely frustrated and the third set reflects that. It's not a crime that he left with a miserable scoreline in the third. It's fucking embarrassing for us, but why should he stay out there and fight if he's just going to lose? :confused:


Iím getting nervous already for his next final. I really donít want to be negative and want to be able to enjoy his tennis, which is really why I like him in the first place. But at this point, Iím just too emotionally involved in this. Anyway, itís probably my problem and no fault to Juan Carlos. Like I said, adjusting my expectation doesnít mean that Iíve lost faith in him, but I canít expect him to win every single battle out there (which is what Iím doing right now, so itís really shame on me). I hope he wins RG this year, but again, we are getting ahead of ourselves. I said all those words about believing that he doesn't have it in him, is not because I'm being mean or sarcastical, I'm just wanting to talk myself out of this disappointment :(.

It's really tough to let go. Do you remember that I was crying hysterically after the Sydney final? I felt like a moron, and maybe that's what changed me. I realized that yes, I can be a tennis fan (fanatic, even) but when it gets that close, something's wrong. I don't know, maybe its different because I wasn't following the scoreboard agonizingly and didn't feel the pain of hurt in my heart at 7 am this morning. But you can't live your life match to match -- and I know you don't want to :) Perhaps this two week break before DC will allow all of us to chill out a little and get everything into perspective :)


Anyway, itís like a big bitchy whinny post that I wrote and I really am sorry for spilling all those negativities all over you guys. But I promise I try not to think about it at least for the rest of the day and let myself cool. :)

No no no, never apologize for venting. That's what we're here for, to listen and to help. You have to get it out somewhere, so it might as well be among friends where you won't be flamed for it :)


BTW, the only thing that PMac said that I felt was a compliment (although he didn't mean to), is that he said, Juan Carlos is another bright young one with tremendous talent but lacks the mental tenacity...just like Safin and Federer.

This is wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong . . . everyone is comparing these players to Potatoman, and like I said that's just not fair. Potato's whole game is centered around his mental abilities. He has no special weapons -- he's too fucking short, for one :D So in order to succeed, he has to compensate somehow and he does it with his rock hard mentality. NOBODY ELSE IS GOING TO HAVE THAT MENTAL SOLIDNESS, but that doesn't mean they don't have fighting spirit. So Juanqui was acting like a selfish child in the last set, not bothering to fight it out to the bitter end. He has to have a release somewhere, and if he really was almost in tears after the second set I don't blame him for folding it up and going home. He has a fighting spirit (as evidenced in the Masters Cup final and to a lesser extent in the RG final) but he also knows when its not worth it. That's an important distinction. It will save him from aggrivating his injuries -- and by the way, I take it he was still injured?

But :D:D:D at PMac finally having to admit talent and all-court tenacity. I bet Cliffy forced him to say it, was twisting his arm or something :D:D:D

TennisHack
01-21-2003, 10:55 PM
At the beginning of my last post I said I wasn't the only one who recognized our negativity and tried to combat it. This was just from a week ago, and it also goes to Juanqui's mental abilities:


Originally posted by Layla
Morning everyone! :wavey:

And a sad morning it is. :sad::sad::sad: I didn't take this loss well either. I was ill at ease throughout the match. I was having breakfast but I couldn't even eat beause my stomach was churning. At the end I was actually shaking and began to cry. :sad:

HOWEVER... and this is important. I have to disagree with Zosse and Francine to a point, although I agree with most of their comments. I watched the whole match (they only skipped a few unimportant comfortable service games).

It don't think it was a mental problem at all. The problem was that he just wasn't playing well on the day. All players experience that. You come out on the court and nothing is working as it should. It's an off-day so to speak. In this case, Juanqui's forehand really let him down. It happens sometimes, although rarely. And when it happens he usually doesn't win, so I was sort of prepared that he wouldn't take this title when he I saw some of his wild FH shots. So given the mediocre level of tennis he played from the start, Juanqui actually did well to stay in it for as long as he did, because Lee played very well indeed. It only shows his MENTAL STRENGTH really, the fact that he managed to win the first set and that he even earned himself a matchpoint at all. He didn't give up, he just continued fighting like a lion even though he knew he was playing badly. I admire him for that.

My arguments for this statement:

He did NOT play the first set well. Lee had a very shaky beginning, losing his first service game. He made 4 UEs in the first 2 games. Juanqui didn't have to do much to get a 2-0 advantage. The big turning point occured when JC had 2 break points for double-break lead and he played them very badly, so he allowed Lee to relax a little and compose himself. After that Lee was on fire and Juanqui was just determined. JC had to save break-back points a few times in the set and it was a very, very tight set that JC was actually lucky to have won in the first place. The score 6-4 may not suggest this, but if it hadn't been for that awful opening game by Lee, he would've won the first set as well.

In the 2nd set, even though it was terrible to watch, Juanqui really showed what he's made of. He saved 7 SET POINTS. The first one when Lee was up 5-2 on JC's serve. Then in the next game at 5-3, Lee raced to a 40-0 lead on his own serve and had 3 comfortable set points which Juanqui played very well by staying solid and Lee just went for too much. So it was quite a feat for Juanqui to force the set into a tie-break in the first place. Again, Lee was leading in the tie-break. Got to 6-3 and had 3 more set points. JC saved 2 with excellent serving and thans saved the one on Lee's serve to bring it back to 6-6. On Lee's 8th set point Juanqui finally broke down. So it's not like he handed Lee the set. It was rightfully Lee's from the start and JC just did very well to grit his teeth and hang in there.

In the beginning of the first set, Juanqui had to save BPs again, but then actually managed to race to a 3-0 lead. But he had to work very, very hard to get to that score (they were looong games). And then everything went to hell. My guess is he lost concentration for a bit. After fighting so hard against the odds, he felt he could relax for a moment and that was a crucial mistake. He played a lousy game on Lee's service, then he played a real shocker! Perhaps the worst game I've ever seen him play. He hit 3 double faults in one game and lost his advantage. At 6-5 he actually set up a match point, though not on his serve. And he nearly made it. That cross-court FH would have been a winner but he just missed it and it clipped the net. It's not like he hit the middle or bottom of the net like that article suggests. He really didn't miss by much. And THAT crushed him. He collapsed on the floor and just sat there for a while. After that he played like shit. The beginning of the tie-break was just appalling, he was swining some wild shots that missed the line by a mile and Lee was in the lead again. HOWEVER, he regrouped and served 2 aces or service winners (I forget), so it's not like he gave up on the idea of winning. He was still in there fighting. At 6-4, Lee's first match point, they played a long game and Juanqui hung in there until he finally hit another one of his wild forehands and lost.

My point is, he didn't have a bad mental attitude and he doesn't urgently need a sports psychiatrist. If it wasn't for his mental fortitude, he would've lost in 2 easy sets. Sure he looked upset with himself when he missed a shot, but that's what he always does. Sure he never looked like the winner of that match but that's because his tennis wasn't up to scratch, not because he mentally gave up. This was NOT another RG final, trust me on that. He had a few wild patches but he always REGROUPED, and pretty quickly at that. He put the bad shots behind him and hit some brilliant passes of serves when it mattered the most. He NEVER stopped fighting.

Leo, this really wasn't the case of choking. You can continue to think he choked every time he loses but HE DID NOT CHOKE TODAY! I can say that with a 100% certainty. Well, it depends on how you define choking, but if your definition is so broad, then you can safely say that everyone chokes everytime they lose. Juanqui was never in any sort of comfortable lead to be even in the position to choke.

Let's not forget this is tennis. Yes, he lost to a qualifier but that's not humiliating. On a given day, anything can happen. There are no givens.

TennisHack
01-21-2003, 11:03 PM
Originally posted by vaiva
An interesting point was made from a poster on another board whose opinion I value really high: Ferrero is known to often fail to hold his nerve and serve for the match on important moments.

I wish people would realize that this isn't an alien concept in tennis. PLENTY of players can't close matches, so why does everyone all of a sudden want to pick on Juanqui? :rolleyes: Obviously they were all expecting him to come through and defeat Agassihole and are pissed that he couldn't do it. :rolleyes:

His play during the third set was a huge disappointment to many of his fans and now it will be difficult to restore the respect and lost faith in him.

I did not lose any respect. I know this can happen to everybody (even the Potato). He will recover and regroup and will return stronger. As they say: what does not kill you makes you stronger (see what can you learn being a Marat fan ;))

On the contrary -- I did not lose faith or respect for him, and those who did, well, they probably didn't respect him or have much faith to begin with. As a fan, you've got to stick by your player through thick and thin, not just the upswings.

Vaiva (wow that's going to take some getting used to ;)) is right -- he will return stronger from this. It's not just the unexperienced players who learn match to match, and we shouldn't expect him to not take anything away from his losses just cause he's #3 in the world right now.

TennisHack
01-21-2003, 11:15 PM
Kim's match just started :) GOOOO KIMMY! :bounce::bounce::bounce:

TennisHack
01-21-2003, 11:16 PM
Yes! She breaks :D 1-0

TennisHack
01-21-2003, 11:19 PM
2-0 :D after an easy hold

TennisHack
01-21-2003, 11:23 PM
3-0, another break but tougher

TennisHack
01-21-2003, 11:26 PM
Anya breaks back, 3-1 now

TennisHack
01-21-2003, 11:31 PM
4-1 Kim breaks again :D

She's had a ton of break chances and definitely needs to work on converting them if she's going to play the Big Gun in the semis.

TennisHack
01-21-2003, 11:34 PM
5-1, another relatively easy service game :)

Leo7
01-21-2003, 11:34 PM
okay, time for my weekly negative comments on Juanqui:

i just finished watching the match and i have never been more disappointed with Juanqui's effort level. it was the worst match i saw him play since Roland Garros 2002. he was up a break in the first two sets but couldn't hold on to the lead and really gave away his chances. he had the 2nd set won at 5-4 but played some sloppy, careless points to give the break right back. after he lost that game Ferrero simply checked out of the match, and that was what disappointed me the most. never before have i seen Juanqui just give up and roll over, but i guess there's a first time for everything. :rolleyes:

PMac said it best, the ATP New Balls are extremely talented but just can't keep it together mentally. players like Ferrero, Safin, Federer are capable of so much more and don't perform well in the big situations in the big tourneys. and veterans like Thomas Johansson, Albert Costa, and now Wayne Ferreira are taking advantage of the immaturity of these young players. it's a shame.

Leo7
01-21-2003, 11:35 PM
go kimmy! :bounce:

btw, Davenport/Raymond won in doubles earlier today! i hope they go all the way!! :bounce:

TennisHack
01-21-2003, 11:37 PM
Knowles/Nestor 6-1 Portas/Robredo

P/R were down 5-0 :o

5-2 Kimmy, serving for the set now

Leo7
01-21-2003, 11:38 PM
Happy Birthday Vince! :bounce:

TennisHack
01-21-2003, 11:38 PM
:rolleyes: You know, I'm just not going to bother going against you guys' negativity anymore. Anytime you start thinking that Patrick McEnroe is right, especially when he's in full crow mode, there's something seriously wrong and I can't help you with it.

Leo7
01-21-2003, 11:39 PM
for just once he is right.

TennisHack
01-21-2003, 11:40 PM
Triple set point Kimmy :)

YES! First set Kimmy, 6-2 :D:bounce:

vaiva
01-21-2003, 11:41 PM
Originally posted by RogiFan
This young batch of players is too spoiled, lazy, unwilling to work hard for their success or to train properly -- it defies logic how a 32-yr-old baldy never gets injured [oops, i forgot about his CAREER-ENDING "wrist" injury last year :rolleyes: ] and is in better shape than all these young guys... it doesn't make sense.

right now I'm feeling bitter and angry, not so much sad anymore... if the inevitable happens, then there's not much hope for the future of tennis... pls tell me I'm horribly wrong!

Do you really think that the New Balls are too lazy or spoiled? I have a feeling that they are not so bad. It's just the world they are living in is much more demanding nowadays. Try to imagine what it is to be a tennis star? Lots of training and travelling to do from a very young age. How many pros are there who can afford going to a high school? I can only think of James Blake (probably there are others). Tennis players start their careers very early, some of them are taken from home and their secure environment when their personalities are not completely formed yet.

And when any youngster makes a breakthrough on the circuit, he/she immediately gets to another unknown territory with huge pressure, media attention, high expectations, crazy fans, etc. Honestly, being 30, I am not sure I can handle such situations myself. And instead of just playing tennis and enjoying something they are good at, players have to deal with stupid reporters who do not know the difference between the BH and FH or follow lots of off-court obligations, etc.

So I think we have to give them more time and be more patient. The young guns are already pros but, I feel, quite an amateurs in everyday life. As soon as they find their true selves and true identities, they will be storming through slams and other tournaments.

Now does that make any sense? I guess, I am still upset and my mind is not very clear :o

Leo7
01-21-2003, 11:41 PM
why is there no interview for Juanqui on ausopen.org? they don't even have one for Wayne! :eek: i wanted to see if Ferrero's injury had anything to do with this or if it was all in the head.

vaiva
01-21-2003, 11:44 PM
I was also wondering why the interviews are missing :confused:

And now Nastia is disappointing me :mad: I expected this to be a more competitive match. Damn.

TennisHack
01-21-2003, 11:45 PM
1-0 Anya, fighting off at least 1 break point

vaiva
01-21-2003, 11:45 PM
Oh, and Happy Birthday to Vince :wavey:

He is a very lucky fellow to have such a loving and devoted mum ;)

Leo7
01-21-2003, 11:47 PM
Originally posted by Layla
Great! What a terrible day. First Sebastien and now Juanqui! :sad: The AO is now pretty much over for me. I still have SchŁttler, but it seems pretty obvious it's going to be an Agassi-Roddick final and I seriously don't give a flying fuck who wins that! :fiery: All I know is I'm not watching it.

same with me. i don't give a shit about the AO anymore, well not the men's side anyway. i still have Lindsay/Lisa in women's dubs and Kimmy and Juju in women's singles.

TennisHack
01-21-2003, 11:48 PM
W. FERREIRA/J.C. Ferrero
7-6, 7-6, 6-1

Q. What happened today? It was a very difficult match?
JUAN CARLOS FERRERO: You know, today was a day that I play bad. I didn't feel very good the ball. I lost the first two sets 7-6, 7-6. All my confidence go down because I had also lost two first sets. Second set, 40-15 with 5-4, I had so many chances. I was playing so bad in the third. I start with a break. My confidence start to go very down. Finally my mentally was not so good to win.

Q. Were you tired against the match from Fabrice before?
JUAN CARLOS FERRERO: No, no, I didn't feel tired today. I feel all right. If I won the first two sets, I think that I win the match for sure.
But losing the first two sets 7-6, 7-6, it's very tough to come back and try to win again. Tennis is like this.

Q. Did you feel the conditions today were different from the days you played before?
JUAN CARLOS FERRERO: I think so.

Q. More difficult for you?
JUAN CARLOS FERRERO: Today was a little bit cold, different from the other days. The first time I play in the night, you know. It's not easy for me.
But, you know, also for him. He played very good. He stayed in the whole match with so many winners, with his service and forehand. He didn't miss the ball.
I think he played a really good, solid match.

TennisHack
01-21-2003, 11:48 PM
1-all

TennisHack
01-21-2003, 11:50 PM
W. FERREIRA/J.C. Ferrero

7-6, 7-6, 6-1


Q. You said on court, "It can't get any better than this for me." You never know, it could, couldn't it?
WAYNE FERREIRA: Up until this stage, definitely, it cannot. I mean, I played a great match today. I was behind early in the first, most of the second, and fought really hard and played pretty good tennis. I'm really happy.
It definitely can get better, but I'm until now, it's great.

Q. The point at 2-1, the first set tiebreaker where you chased down what looked like to be two or three winners, hit the lob, how big was that in the context of the match?
WAYNE FERREIRA: Well, I mean, those points are always mentally great things to win. I don't think that was probably the point of the whole tiebreaker.
I think just winning that first set was very, very important - mentally especially. You know, first set can be key to a lot of matches. I think maybe this one -- obviously, the second set was tough, but I think it was definitely mentally on my side very important to win that first set.

Q. What's been the most difficult thing for you when you played him all the times in the past?
WAYNE FERREIRA: Juan Carlos?

Q. Sorry, I'm looking ahead.
WAYNE FERREIRA: You're talking about Andre?

Q. Yes.
WAYNE FERREIRA: I don't know. It's weird. I just haven't really played that well. Most of the time I've played him, it's been in situations like this where he's ended up winning the tournaments and playing great tennis. You know, this week, he's basically steamrolled through everyone and is playing great tennis.
He's got an interesting game. It's tough to get any rhythm. You end up running a lot.
I do feel that I have improved my backhand considerably. I'm taking it a lot earlier. I'm more aggressive on it. I'm missing a lot less. That's always been a very, very big factor against him, is that he's absolutely dominated me on the backhand side and given me no opportunities to hit any forehands.
If I can hit my backhand like I did today, move like I did, be able to stay in the point from the backhand side, things might be a lot different.

Q. If I remember well, two years ago you were near quitting the game. You seemed completely disgusted by the game. What changed?
WAYNE FERREIRA: A lot of things. I had a lot of problems off the court. It's very difficult. Tennis is a very, very mental game. To have problems outside that have nothing to do with tennis, have that on your mind, and obviously not playing very good tennis, it makes it very difficult.
I've sorted out those problems. I've dealt with them pretty well. Things are a lot better. Obviously, I've adapted to the fact of having a son and being away from him, and doing what I'm doing. I've looked at the fact that, you know, tennis is a short career, and I have a long life after that, that I should give my best while I can.
I think probably the most important factor of the whole thing is that my son has changed my attitude towards the game of tennis. Before, it was more of a life-and-death situation, and there was nothing worse than losing a tennis match. Now there's a lot of things worse than losing a tennis match. It's not as important, and it's more just a fun and enjoyment factor now.

Q. I believe you said now your endurance is much better. Do you think it's the fact that you're calmer on court, not losing energy?
WAYNE FERREIRA: I'm sure it's a huge factor. I feel really great. I'm having a lot of fun with my tennis. I've put in very little practice over the last four months, very little training. I'm playing tennis when I'm back home with the college guys that I coach. I have a different perspective. I teach them instead of working for myself.
I just have a lot of fun. I enjoy what I'm doing right now. I enjoy playing tennis. It's fun for me to play against young kids. It's fun for me to last longer than them endurance-wise, mentally. It's just a whole different perspective to the game which personally I wish I could have realized and felt a lot longer. Five or six years ago, I think things would have been a lot different.

Q. You said the other day you obviously are more mature, obviously are playing more with your head than you used to. Is this something which has come from the last two years or is this something that was always there but you never quite brought out?
WAYNE FERREIRA: I don't know. I mean, maybe just the enjoyment factor of the tennis, not being so serious, has made it that way.
I can't say what it is. I really enjoy it. It's always been something that I've tried so hard over the years. When I was younger, I went to sports psychologists, I read these books, I listened to these tapes, I listened to this person and did that and this. None of it ever really seemed to work.
I haven't done anything in the last two years, and all of a sudden it's changed. It's a difficult thing. I wish I knew what it was. You know what? I'm just grateful that I have it now. I'm trying to use it and get the most out of it while I can.

Q. Can you teach that to younger players?
WAYNE FERREIRA: Nobody could teach it to me. You know, it's something that I think I just worked out for myself. I think it's a very difficult side of tennis. You know, the mental side is very, very important.

Q. Was there one moment tonight when you thought, "I've got him"?
WAYNE FERREIRA: I think the first game he played in the third set, that pretty much showed me that the wind had gone out of his sails and he was pretty much done. Mentally and physically, he was done, throwing in the towel a bit. That was a great feeling to see that. I worked so hard to win that second set. It really paid off. It was very important.

Q. For those of us who don't know the background, how close did you come to getting out of the game?
WAYNE FERREIRA: Pretty close actually, yeah. Very close. I mean, I hadn't gone around looking for another job or anything like that. I think what I would have done maybe was taken off maybe half a year and then reevaluated then.
I sat and thought about it. I did decide that I was going to give it one more year, because I didn't want to give up the game the way it was going. I didn't want to have any regrets. I didn't want to feel bad about it. I said I was going to give myself one more really good year and try the best that I can. If it didn't work, I was still ranked 50, wherever it was, then I'd pack it in.
I had a great year. I won Stuttgart. I ended up 13 in the ranking at the end of the year. It just made me realize that I could keep going. So I carried on.

Q. Are you able to have your son with you at some stage during the year?
WAYNE FERREIRA: I am able. I just don't want it at all. They were here with me in Adelaide the first of the year. It's just too difficult. It's too hard on them. It's too hard on me. I don't have the time. I don't want to practice and I don't want to be at the courts when they're with me. I have to be professional. I have to do what I came here to do.
My wife doesn't want to be here. She's done her time at the courts. She's done with that. I think it's better. The situation is great the way it is. My wife is back at school. My son is at school. I'm playing my tennis. I get back home as often as I can to see them as much as I can.

Q. Where is home now for you?
WAYNE FERREIRA: I'm living in Berkeley, in northern California.

Q. With Agassi and Sampras playing the US Open final, now you and he in the semis here, Younes, does that say something about the guys over 30 or does it say something about the guys in their 20s?
WAYNE FERREIRA: Well, I think out of the three of us, Younes is the only one really that's sort of playing better tennis now than he did when he was younger. Andre has been dominant pretty much his whole career. I've been Top 50 my whole career. From his aspect, I think it's different.
I personally believe I have so much more endurance, and obviously the mental side, too. I feel maybe a little bit slower on the court, but I am still naturally fit, naturally quick.
Looking at it right now, maybe I wish I'd started a little bit later and worked on that aspect.
WAYNE FERREIRA: It's hard to say. I actually feel like today I played one of my better matches in my career. I mean, maybe I can even get better from here.

Q. When you made the semifinals here in 1992, what was your attitude to the game then? Were you someone who was driven to be Top 5? Were you still working out how good you would be?
WAYNE FERREIRA: I was still working out. Back then, it was just a wonderful experience to be around here. I never thought about losing, never thought about chasing points, chasing rankings, beating guys. I was just having so much fun being here and playing in this environment.
I think after that, that tournament, it made me realize that I could be. I guess it was a stepping stone to helping me a lot. But during that week, I really didn't believe I could get to the semifinals. I was just playing, having fun. I had a lot of friends that were here. We were going out, just enjoying ourselves. It was a pretty weird two weeks. It was probably the weirdest two weeks I've had in my whole tennis career, and I played great tennis. It did make me realize that I could compete against everybody.

Q. What you said basically to enjoy it is the key of success?
WAYNE FERREIRA: For me it is. It hasn't been all that easy. My personality doesn't allow me to do that a lot of time. I'm the type of person that does hate to lose. I'm a bit of perfectionist in certain ways. The mental side definitely gets a hold of me way too often.
But when I do have fun, like in Stuttgart when I played and won Stuttgart a couple of years ago, I was in a trance the whole week. I was a wonderful experience, and I tried really hard to get it again, and never got it again. It's a difficult thing.

Q. With the great sporting rivalry with Australia and South Africa, what kind of treatment do you get from Australian crowds?
WAYNE FERREIRA: As far as traveling through the world and that, probably the best really. We have a great tradition with the sport that we do against each other. I think the Australians love their tennis. They support me a lot. Even though there's a rivalry, I think it's a good rivalry in the cricket and the rugby. They appreciate my tennis.
I feel this is the closest I can get to South Africa for me.

TennisHack
01-21-2003, 11:51 PM
2-1 Kim, break at love :D

Leo7
01-21-2003, 11:51 PM
Originally posted by Vera
My AO is officially over. And WTF, let's Ahole win this whole thing, at least he deserves it. Whatever, I don't give a shit anymore.

the AO has certainly been handed to Ahole on a silver platter. and no way Andre will fuck it up like the young guns. he's never lost a match to any of the remaining players in the draw. congrats to Andre on Grand Slam #8!

Leo7
01-21-2003, 11:52 PM
thanks for the interview Hacks. :)

Layla
01-21-2003, 11:53 PM
Hi everyone! :wavey:

So many interesting posts and I've read them all but I'm too exhausted and it's too late to reply to them. I need to take care of my body and get some sleep.

But I would just like to say that I agree 100% with TH. I understand how disappointed you are, I am too, but I respectfully disagree with those of you who think Juanqui doesn't have it in him to win a slam. While it's not a guarantee that he will actually succeed, he definitely has it in him. Vaiva ;) I didn't lose respect for him, not even one bit. It was a disappointing performance, but we all have our sub-par days, we can't be brilliant all the time. And I still believe in him as a player and a future champion.

I'm not even gonna bother with the choking thread in GM, at least not today. I would like to know how you can choke if you've never been ahead in the match and you are playing pretty poorly throughout the match. You don't have an opportunity to choke. Choking means you were playing great and then suddenly, when serving for the set or match, your form drops drastically. That's not what happened today. Juanqui's shots were consistently inconsistent, so why should it be any different in the crucial games. Argh, I really hate that word - choking. It's so overused.

Vera, I know how it feels after a disappointing match like this one. Like I said, I cried and I've just become even more drained of energy then I already am. But at the end of the day, this is tennis we're talking about. There are so many great players out there, and the rules of logic demand that someone has to lose. Nobody can win all the matches. If you look at it from this perspective, you'll notice that every day of the AO ends with some fans crying, this time it was our turn. Even Lleykis had to cry a few days ago. There are no certainties and no match is in the bag. So let's wipe our tears and move on to the next match. ;)

So instead of making a tragedy out of this loss, let's just put in perspective. Junaqui had a BRILLIANT start of the year so far. Compared to last year, it's unbelievable. When so many players are injured or rusty and still finding their form, I'm really counting my lucky stars that Juanqui is healthy (apart from the minor problem with his adductor muscle) and is competing well. I remember the first part of the year 2002 when I was happy just to see him actually play in a tournament, let alone win a match or two, because he was injured so often.

Ok, that's enough from me for now. Bedtime!

GO KIMMY!!!

Goodnight! Sleep well! :wavey:

TennisHack
01-21-2003, 11:54 PM
2-all, Anya breaks back

Leo7
01-21-2003, 11:57 PM
erm, who is vaiva? :o

Leo7
01-21-2003, 11:58 PM
i'm gonna go and study for my math and history exams. :wavey:

vaiva
01-21-2003, 11:58 PM
Hey Layla :wavey:

I'm with you on not giving up or losing belief in Juanqui. Have some good sleep.

Phew, Nastia started to play better and the match now does not look so much one-sided ;)

TennisHack
01-21-2003, 11:58 PM
3-2 Anya -- now THIS is competitive ;)

vaiva
01-22-2003, 12:00 AM
Leo7, I'm ex-zosse. :)

Good luck studying :wavey:

Leo7
01-22-2003, 12:01 AM
oh okay. i like the new name, vaiva. :)

:wavey: goodbye. good luck to Kimmy! :bounce:

TennisHack
01-22-2003, 12:02 AM
3-all . . .

Layla
01-22-2003, 12:02 AM
Originally posted by Leo7


PMac said it best, the ATP New Balls are extremely talented but just can't keep it together mentally. players like Ferrero, Safin, Federer are capable of so much more and don't perform well in the big situations in the big tourneys. and veterans like Thomas Johansson, Albert Costa, and now Wayne Ferreira are taking advantage of the immaturity of these young players. it's a shame.

Oh yeah, PMac is always right. :rolleyes: How come he's become the well of wisdom all of a sudden?

To respond to your thoughts, why is that a shame? They've been there themselves when they were 21 and had to learn just like everyone else (with the possible exception of Hewitt). Maturity does count for something. Who said the young players have to automatically blast the older players off the court? Maturity and experience - great weapons and something to look forward to with age. Everyone is so impatient with the New Balls. The changing of the guard is a natural process that can't be rushed.

TennisHack
01-22-2003, 12:07 AM
Long deuce game on Anya's serve . . .

TennisHack
01-22-2003, 12:07 AM
Kim breaks for 4-3 :eek::bounce:

TennisHack
01-22-2003, 12:09 AM
Knowles/Nestor cream Robredo/Portas 6-1, 6-3 :eek:

Good fight from the Spanish team, though. They knocked out some great pairs en route to the quarters :)

TennisHack
01-22-2003, 12:10 AM
Triple BP Anya :eek::eek::eek::eek:

And she levels it at 4!

Layla
01-22-2003, 12:11 AM
Kim is broken back. :(

Layla
01-22-2003, 12:13 AM
And with a wonderful return Kimmy breaks yet again! Now she will serve for the match! :bounce:

vaiva
01-22-2003, 12:13 AM
And Kim broke again.

Will be serving for the match now ;)

Nice effort from Nastia though.

TennisHack
01-22-2003, 12:14 AM
Kim breaks back for 5-4 :eek: and will serve for the match!

TennisHack
01-22-2003, 12:16 AM
:wavey: Hi, Layla!

Kimmy wins!!! :bounce::bounce::bounce: 6-2, 6-4. Now GOOOO MEGHANN! :D

Layla
01-22-2003, 12:20 AM
KIMMY WON!!! :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

Alright, I can go to bed with some peace of mind, now that my fave is through. ;)

Now go Rainer! Make this second week of AO a bit more bearable!

Once again, goodnight folks! :wavey: (I really mean it this time ;) ).

TennisHack
01-22-2003, 12:20 AM
Or, if Meghann can't stop the Big Gun, Kimmy should be reminded of this:

2002 HOME DEPOT CHAMPIONSHIPS
LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA

November 11, 2002

KIM CLIJSTERS
Defeated Serena Williams, 7-5, 6-3

Q. You looked determined. What was your determination and your motivation for today's match?

KIM CLIJSTERS: Well, I was just going to try to bring as many balls back as I could. I tried to make her make the mistakes. That's what you have to try to do against her. I was very motivated. I lost to her, I think, six times or five times already. You know, it's great to have that win here right now.

Q. How much was the winning check a motivation?

KIM CLIJSTERS: I don't think I realized how much money it is.

Q. Is this the biggest win of your career for you?

KIM CLIJSTERS: Yes. Like before, they asked me what my biggest memory was and it was the French Open final. Now, this is definitely the number one spot.

Q. Kim, did you go in with a specific strategy to play Serena or were you going to play whoever it was the same way?

KIM CLIJSTERS: I was going to play my best game, trying to do that. Like I said before, just don't worry if she hits a few aces. Don't show any emotions. That's where they can read how you're feeling, and that's when they can push you a little bit extra. That's what I did and it worked, I think. Like I said before, I just tried to run as many balls back as I could. She made some few easy mistakes.

Q. Kim, could you tell she was a little tired, especially in the second set?

KIM CLIJSTERS: Yeah. She wasn't moving as well as in the beginning of the set. I was getting a bit tired as well, so it was good she was getting a bit tired.

Q. Were you tired in the first set?

KIM CLIJSTERS: No. I started with a double fault. I don't know if that was because of nerves or anything. I wasn't nervous. I was a little bit more nervous before than all the other matches before the match. I felt pretty calm out there.

Q. You fell behind by a break three times in the first set. How were you able to mentally try to -- I think a lot of girls when they get in that position, especially against them, get down.

KIM CLIJSTERS: I told myself, on my own serve games, I said, well, when I lost my serve games, I said, try to win that first point, because that can be a very big key in every game. If you get that first one, you can work yourself into the game if you have a few lucky shots. There was a few very long rallies, and with a smash, I got it back. Those are the games and points that you have to try to take and the chances you have to take. Yeah, I mean, I just kept fighting. I don't think I really realized at the time I was down. I was so focused on the game that I didn't really notice if I was down or up.

Q. Serena said she was kind of glad almost to end the year on a loss. It gets her motivated for next year. Is that a good thing?

KIM CLIJSTERS: You have to ask her. I'm sure she's going to be very motivated to go into the Australian Open, the first Grand Slam of the year. She hasn't won that one yet. She's going to be extra motivated to go out there and play well.

Q. If somebody told you today that you were going to win this thing in straight sets, what would you have said to them?

KIM CLIJSTERS: I wouldn't have believed it.

Q. Are you that surprised?

KIM CLIJSTERS: Yes.

Q. How much does it make you think you are ready to win the Grand Slams?

KIM CLIJSTERS: I'm not even thinking about that at the moment. I'm just enjoying this moment. I don't really want to think about what's going to happen next in the future. I want to enjoy this moment. This is my last match of the year. It was a pretty nice one to end with. I'm just going to enjoy the few weeks I have off now and start working hard for the Australian Open. It's a whole new year.

Q. Kim, have you talked to Lleyton yet?

KIM CLIJSTERS: No. There's a big time difference.

Q. Did you talk before the match?

KIM CLIJSTERS: He was sleeping.

Q. Did he give you any kind of advice?

KIM CLIJSTERS: He just said to go and enjoy it, enjoy the atmosphere.

Q. You won three of the last four tournaments you played. Did you expect this by the end of the season?

KIM CLIJSTERS: No, definitely not. Especially the way I was playing in the middle of the year. Even when I had my injury and I was feeling down at that time and changing coaches and not having a coach for a few weeks, that was tough, but I still kept being very professional and kept doing everything I should. I think that's what made me also more mature, now when I have a coach and everything is going well. I think the injury really helped me out for these type of tournaments.

Q. Kim, it seemed this summer at times you didn't really believe you could beat Venus or Serena unless they played a little worse. This week it seemed like there was a change in you. How did that come about and why?

KIM CLIJSTERS: Well, I've got no idea. I know that if I play my best tennis and if I keep my consistency up throughout the whole match, I know I'm capable of getting close to winning matches against them. It all comes down to a few points then. I know if I played my best tennis, I can do it. It's just being consistent enough and a few points here and there.

Q. Tonight proves that you can do it?

KIM CLIJSTERS: I don't know. Tonight it did. Today it did. You never know. The next match I play against them, I might lose one and one. That's what makes tennis so interesting at the moment. There is so many people that can -- I think Venus and Serena have played so well these last few years and have been up there. I think it's nice for the other players to see that they are beatable and I think that will motive also some other players.

Q. The first set you got even 5. Do you remember that serve? She had 109-mile-an-hour serve and you got it back. Do you have any idea how you did it?

KIM CLIJSTERS: I did it with my racket. I just put my racket there, and luckily the ball hit the racket and it went over the net. I think she missed.

Q. She aimed it right into the net.

KIM CLIJSTERS: That's what I mean. You just have to try to make that extra ball, and when they don't expect it to come back, that can make them not in the right position or not focused, and they make a mistake. I think that was one of my goals. On not only this match, that's what I try to do every match.

Q. Players have been talking all week about being tired. Are you tired?

KIM CLIJSTERS: No. I think I can have a big party tonight.

Q. How will you go about celebrating in the next few days? Will you go on a shopping spree with all that money?

KIM CLIJSTERS: Well, I'm building a house at the moment. It's nice. I can use it. I'm going to go home and go to an exhibition and play an exhibition against Justine, and then go to Australia, so I won't have a lot of time to do a lot of shopping. I might do a little bit of shopping here tomorrow before my flight.

Q. Rodeo? Where is your house?

KIM CLIJSTERS: In Belgium, in Brie, where I'm from.

Q. How much do you think your legs had to do with winning today?

KIM CLIJSTERS: If I would had no legs, I wouldn't have won. I think it played a big role. Of course, you know, I think I'm very lucky to have my type of legs, especially to play a sport. Maybe not for modeling or something, but to play tennis and to run a lot of balls down, I think my legs are pretty good.

Q. You did some incredible sliding not on clay. How did you do that?

KIM CLIJSTERS: I have no idea. I remember the first time I did it, and I did it at the US Open, actually when I played Serena as well, and they showed it on the replay that night on TV. I don't really think about it when I'm doing it. It's just natural. I've got no idea.

Q. Does it hurt when you do that?

KIM CLIJSTERS: Once it did. In Stanford last year, because it was so hot, and I kept sliding when I was playing Lindsay and I burnt my toe. Sometimes it hurts.

Q. Is that something you practice?

KIM CLIJSTERS: No. Well, like, occasionally if I go and get a far ball in practice or something, but it's not something I work on.

Q. Kim, is winning this tournament kind of a coming-of-age statement that you are a world class player to be reckoned with, the elite?

KIM CLIJSTERS: It's hard. Of course, I'm going to be up there, and it's a big tournament. I'll definitely have my status. It's still pretty amazing for me to realize all of this and what I have achieved. I'm only 19. It's incredible. I can never imagined I would have been sitting here speaking to all of you after a win. That's something I would have never have thought. It's, of course, great. I don't see myself -- I know I play tennis, and I play tennis because I enjoy it. I'm not there to be famous or anything. I'm just there to enjoy the tennis.

Q. Did you like the tournament format as opposed to the regular format?

KIM CLIJSTERS: Yes.

Q. Kim, outside of being famous, though, do you feel like you belong with Serena and Venus and Jennifer now?

KIM CLIJSTERS: I don't know. I mean, I know I can -- if I play well, I think I belong there, but there is a lot of other players who belong there as well. You have Lindsay and Monica who played really well, I thought, against Venus. You have players like Elena and Dementieva can always beat, but maybe not as consistent as what those top four players have done. I think if I have a consistent year, and if I'm injury-free and stuff, I think I'm capable of staying in the top five.

Q. As big of a win as this is for you, have you had a chance to feel how it's sunk in and what your expectations were for such a big win, how it feels inside?

KIM CLIJSTERS: I had a few experiences, maybe not with my own game, but when Lleyton won the Wimbledon and US Open, that was amazing. I felt like I won them as well. That's what really sort of maybe made me realize how much it means and how much it means for a tennis player to win those big events. I was really -- even like this week, I was doing everything very professional and 100 percent, so that's what paid off.

Q. How much do you think your attitude had to do with it? I mean, Serena even bought into the tired thing tonight when she came in. She said she felt like she was 98. All week long you've insisted, I feel fresh, not tired. How much do you think just the mental attitude maybe had to do with it?

KIM CLIJSTERS: I think if you keep telling yourself, I feel tired, I feel tired, of course, you're going to feel tired. That's with every person. I was resting a lot during my days off. Of course, I didn't play -- I think I only -- before coming into this match, I only played about two hours and 20 minutes. I think with Venus pulling out, I had an advantage over Serena, because she played a pretty tough match against Jennifer yesterday.

Q. How do you feel about beating both Williamses back to back?

KIM CLIJSTERS: I didn't really beat Venus. It feels amazing. I don't think I'm realizing at the moment what I've done. I'm sure once I get back home to Belgium, I'll play my exhibition in front of those 10,000 people, and I'm sure I'll start realizing what they have gone through and what I've done.

Q. Kim, how proud is your father?

KIM CLIJSTERS: He was very proud. He said, yeah, I knew you could do it, well done. That's what I think every dad would say.

Q. Had he given you any advice before tonight's match?

KIM CLIJSTERS: Of course, he always supports me and helps me out. He doesn't really say tactics. He always says little things like, go out there and fight and have fun. Those are the main things he says. That's what I definitely did today.

Q. Where is this exhibition in Belgium? Would you tell us a little bit about it?

KIM CLIJSTERS: We played one last year in Antwerp. It was a bigger stadium, 20,000 people. This year I'm flying tomorrow, and Wednesday night, Belgium time, 6:00 I have to play the exhibition after getting in at noon. I don't know if my level is going to be as high as what I achieved here. It's going to be in the south part of Belgium where Justine is from. There is one from the north, where I'm from, and then one in the south. We play a match against each other. There is, like, a Belgium group and like music bands performing. It's really nice.

Q. It's just to give the Belgium people a chance to see you?

KIM CLIJSTERS: To see us, yes.

Q. Often winners come in and they don't appear that they really are having fun, but it appears that you are. Are you having as much fun as it appears?

KIM CLIJSTERS: Yes.

Q. Is it as fun to win as you thought it would be at this level?

KIM CLIJSTERS: You don't really realize how it feels. This is definitely my biggest win, and it feels incredible. At the time, I couldn't believe when she missed that match point. I couldn't believe I won. Maybe at that time I had goose bumps all over my body. I couldn't believe it. It was amazing. It's an amazing feeling. I hope a lot of players can have that when they win a big event. It's really something amazing.

Q. Kim, how many tennis courts is your new home going to have?

KIM CLIJSTERS: I have no courts at my house. I have dogs.

Q. You just don't want courts?

KIM CLIJSTERS: No courts.

Q. You can still go to your father's house and play?

KIM CLIJSTERS: Yes.

TennisHack
01-22-2003, 12:22 AM
LOL, good night Layla :wavey:

Rainer should be able to stunt Roddick :D We'll be cheering for him, anyway :)

Chloe le Bopper
01-22-2003, 12:53 AM
Sorry to bring up the negativity, but I missed the discussions, so here goes:

I wish people would realize that this isn't an alien concept in tennis. PLENTY of players can't close matches, so why does everyone all of a sudden want to pick on Juanqui?

People rag on Ferrero, because he's expected to go on and do all these great and wonderful things, and has consistently showed that he neither has the fighting spirit, nor the mentality to do them.

His last three tournaments have been beautiful examples of this. He failed to beat Hewitt after being up a break twice in the fifth, he had match points against Lee and still failed to win. Then today, he plays a decent couple sets, then decides it's just not his day and packs it in?

Everybody has bad days, but that is really disgusting to see from a top player. It is not even a stretch to say that he tanked the last set - you know, sort of like Mardy did?

Quite frankly, unless he does something to "fix" whatever the problem is, the painful losses will continue, and the rewards won't come.

No matter how much he might want them.

TennisHack
01-22-2003, 01:04 AM
*shrug*

Well, like I said, if you people are so intent on being negative about this, I'm not going to stop you.

Chloe le Bopper
01-22-2003, 01:19 AM
And if you want to ignore a realistic opinion, then there is nothing I can do to stop you :)

Realism IS negative. Negativity is realistic. Speaking in general terms, not just about a silly tennis match.

You asked why everybody was always ragging on him, and I think that I gave the correct answer.

If nobody thought that he had enough talent to win slams or what not, nobody would rag on him. It would be great that he has achieved what he has. But for some reason, he is unable to get over the hump.

Maybe he will someday, maybe he won't.

But it is certaintly something that left unadressed, isn't going to just go away.

Chloe le Bopper
01-22-2003, 01:22 AM
I'm being negative, because this IS a negative about him.

It is a HUGE negative. This is what makes the difference between a great player, and an also ran.

We're not talking about a flimsy back hand here. We're talking about wether or not he has the head to achieve what he wants to - as of yet, I am yet to see consistent evidence that he does. If he has another year like this past one, I don't think that he will get over it. Plain and simple. He ain't getting any younger.

Sitting around and saying "Oh I believe in him" is all fine and well. I would prefer to be realistic and adress the problem.

TennisHack
01-22-2003, 01:33 AM
Well, if you had read the rest of my response to Vaiva, I answered myself -- well, obviously everyone is ragging on him because they thought he could do it. That's nice and all, but I have a really big problem with a few people here who say they are fans of a player, and the second he loses they'll are all "He's a choker! He will never do anything big!"

I'm not just sitting around saying, "Oh, I believe in him" -- I've done my fair share of criticism, and I accept the criticism of him even to this day. The problem I see is the fact that everyone is dismissing him out of hand because he hasn't achieved everything you (collectively) think he should have. Honestly, look at this from a different perspective -- practically everything he's done in the past half year is gravy. He could have just rested on his laurels and said, Hey, I'm in the Top 5 of the world, that's good enough. But he didn't. He's working on it, and he is a work in progress. I commend him for that, cause it's fucking hard to get to that next level when you're already doing so well.

And honestly, he doesn't need tons of help. There are plenty of other players out there (*coughMichelcough*) who need to get themselves some serious mental help.

As long as he's not happy with himself or his game, I won't be either. But I don't see what the point is acting so negatively about it (negativity doesn't automatically equal realism, either, thank God) when there's nothing you can do. Might as well use your energy for something better than ragging.

But that's just my opinion, and apparently it doesn't count for much around here.

TennisHack
01-22-2003, 01:47 AM
Clijsters advances to semifinals

By PHIL BROWN, Associated Press Writer
January 21, 2003
AP - Jan 21, 8:22 EST

MELBOURNE, Australia (AP) -- Kim Clijsters, the last player to beat either Williams sister, is ready to take them on again.

Clijsters advanced to the Australian Open semifinals Wednesday by beating Anastasia Myskina 6-2, 6-4. Clijsters has lost only 16 games in 10 sets.

The 19-year-old Belgian was awaiting the winner between Serena Williams and Meghann Shaughnessy. On the other side of the draw, Venus Williams plays her semifinal Thursday against Belgian Justine Henin-Hardenne.

Serena has beaten Venus for the championship at three consecutive Grand Slam tournaments. But in the WTA Tour Championships last November, Clijsters beat both en route to the title.

"It's great for my confidence to win these matches and to win in Sydney as well,'' said Clijsters, who has won 24 of her last 25 matches. She won a warmup tournament on Sydney just before the Australian Open.

Asked about an all-Belgian final, she said, "Everything is possible in tennis. That's what makes it interesting. We'll definitely have some American-Belgian semifinals.''

Clijsters, the 2001 French Open runner-up, kept Myskina on the run with a heavy forehand, which accounted for 20 of her 27 winners.

She also won points with outstanding hustle, especially against the 21-year-old Russian's drop shots.

Clijsters lost her serve twice in the second set, but allowed Myskina to hold serve only three times in the match.

Myskina had won two of their previous four matches, but said Clijsters cut down sharply on errors this time.

"I think right now Kim is the best player in the world,'' she said. "I think she feels like she's playing at home here.''

Clijsters spends time in Australia with her boyfriend, men's No. 1 Lleyton Hewitt.

"She's better than Serena and Venus right now. She's got more confidence than Serena and Venus,'' Myskina said.

TennisHack
01-22-2003, 01:54 AM
Clijsters through to semi-finals
Wednesday, 22 January, 2003
by Barry Levinson

Belgian No.4 seed Kim Clijsters has continued her impressive form at the 2003 Australian Open, defeating Russian No.8 seed Anastasia Myskina 6-2, 6-4 in the quarter-finals.

Clijsters is the third women's player through to the semi-finals, joining American No.2 seed Venus Williams and Belgian No.5 seed Justine Henin-Hardenne in the final four.

Her opponent in the semi-finals will be the winner of the All-American clash between top seed Serena Williams and No.25 Meghann Shaughnessy, the match underway on Rod Laver Arena. Williams is well on top, having taken the first set 6-2 in just 23 minutes.

Clijsters raced through the first set against Myskina in just 24 minutes, but the gritty Russian, one of the big improvers on the WTA Tour last year, put up a stronger fight in the second, staying on terms to 4-4.

But after the Belgian gained her third break of serve for the set, she calmly served out the match at 5-4, wrapping up the encounter in 61 minutes.

Clijsters has kept up her end of the bargain in setting up a dream semi-final against Serena, and she has reason to be confident against the world No.1.

Serena may have defeated the Belgian at the Hopman Cup earlier this year, but it was Clijsters who took the honours in straight sets last November in the final of the season-ending WTA Tour Championships in Los Angeles.

Their only other meeting last year was in Tokyo, where Serena triumphed in three sets.

Myskina believes that Clijsters can go all the way in Melbourne and break through for her first Grand Slam success.

"I think Kim, right now, is the best player in the world," the Russian said.

"I think she has a good chance here to win the whole Australian Open, because I think she really feels like she is playing at home here. The crowd really support her."

Clijsters, of course, is particularly popular with the Australian crowd, not just because of her tennis ability, but also due of her off-court relationship with local hero Lleyton Hewitt.

Myskina also believes that the Belgian has what it takes to beat the Williams sisters.

"I think she's better than Serena and Venus right now. (She has) more confidence right now I think than Serena and Venus."

Myskina's season-end ranking jumped 48 places between 2001 and 2002, from No.59 to No.11, and she is one of a group of young Russians pushing their way through to the top bracket of women's tennis.

The 21-year-old's quarter-final appearance at this event is her best ever performance at a Grand Slam, but it clearly left her feeling tired.

"I'm really happy that it's finished and I can home," she declared. "I'm really tired because it was a hard one week and a half for me, but I'm really happy (with my performance)."

Chloe le Bopper
01-22-2003, 02:29 AM
That's nice and all, but I have a really big problem with a few people here who say they are fans of a player, and the second he loses they'll are all "He's a choker! He will never do anything big!"

Well if you don't like what I have to say, then don't read it. If you want to imply that I'm some sort of bandwagon fan who jumps on and off like that, then you are sorrily mistaken. Furthermore I would have to think that you haven't read anything that I have ever posted in this forum. Moving on...



I'm not just sitting around saying, "Oh, I believe in him" -- I've done my fair share of criticism, and I accept the criticism of him even to this day. The problem I see is the fact that everyone is dismissing him out of hand because he hasn't achieved everything you (collectively) think he should have.

The problem is not that I'm thinking "oh boo hoo he isn't doing what I think he is". The problem for me is that he isn't performing as HE wants to. I'm taking HIS words and hopes, not mine.


Apparently my opinion doesn't matter much around here either - perhaps that's a result of being a bandwagon fan :)

TennisHack
01-22-2003, 02:46 AM
Originally posted by Rebecca
Well if you don't like what I have to say, then don't read it. If you want to imply that I'm some sort of bandwagon fan who jumps on and off like that, then you are sorrily mistaken. Furthermore I would have to think that you haven't read anything that I have ever posted in this forum. Moving on...

Oh come off it. ;) Obviously I was not speaking of you when I said that. Just in case you didn't pick up on it, the last post I put up was mostly out of hurt. Ferrero is getting bashed horridly in GM and there's only so much shit I can take before I start to feel a little bad, too.

But there are people who post here who have that attitude, and I was fed up with it before, so continuing the conversation did nothing for my optimism. If I was speaking directly to you, I would have said so. Okay? :)


The problem is not that I'm thinking "oh boo hoo he isn't doing what I think he is". The problem for me is that he isn't performing as HE wants to. I'm taking HIS words and hopes, not mine.

Well obviously he's not happy with himself -- so why are we arguing? He knows he needs to work to get what he wants, just like I said -- one match at a time. Like it or not, we're all just going to have to be patient with him and the process.

Dissident
01-22-2003, 02:46 AM
My take on that.

After watching the match, I say that Juanqui DID have issues in it, because of two reasons:

1. Being for the first time in a QF of a Slam thats not on clay.
2. Wayne played REALLY well. His serve was not good, he wasnt making miracles, but he was TOUGH. He had a good answer lots of times, especially after he took the first set.

As Juanqui himself said, his confidence was getting bombed because Wayne didnt let him back into the match.
Ferrero didnt play well, thats undeniable, but its not a disaster to reach the QF!!!

I will bring you an example:
Guga is the player I know best. I remember his results. I followed all his career, and watched most of his big matches.
Guga has a story when he was ADAPTING his game. He was a clay-courter, but was aiming higher. He won Roland Garros, and then started struggling. TWO reasons: he was adapting his game to be an all-courter, AND in second place only, he felt the pressure for the first time.
Now look at his results during those days, compare to Juanquiīs and tell me if you see something similar.
In 1998, Guga won nothing but two relatively small clay events, and reached a couple of semis and quarters.
In 1999, he won two Masters Series on clay and reached the QF in THREE OF THE SLAMS. I was happy about that!!!

Does that strike anything??

BOOM year (Guga 1997, Ferrero 2000), a medium progress one (1998 for Guga, even better for Ferrero in 2001) and the boom takes two years (1999-2000 Guga, Ferrero started his in 2002).

It holds some good similarities there.
Juan Carlos, imo, is evolving FASTER than Guga did. Thats a good thing! You people NEED to learn how to be patient! Be fans of Anna for two years, for Godīs sake!! :p

Vera
01-22-2003, 02:48 AM
Another big post with more thoughts, but none negatives :).

Last nightís match, watching how frustrated he was on court and his facial expression of agony, one thought came to me. He must be mentally drained. Considering what he went thru these 3 weeks. He fought so hard in Sydney in a 3 set matches with no easy set and lost. He fought thru the pain of feeling tired in the 1st round and pain of injury in the 2nd and 3rd round. And what a battle that was against Fab and it took a lot out of him. And I think thatís why against Ancic he was so pissed even though itís such an easy match. Itís probably the mental fatigue that kinda pissed him to lose his temper at occasion. Then against Wayne, he fought so hard and he couldnít see the result. At some points, he probably felt thatís it, thatís all he can offer and itís not meant to be.

Iím disappointed that he gave up. But I certainly can understand that now. No matter what happen, I canít believe that heís not a fighter. He fights all the time. Like I said, after being humiliated at RG in the first 2 sets, he could have give it in and get off the court as soon as possible, but he didnít. Juanqui took everything seriously, he just doesnít appear to me that heís the kind who will allow himself to give up easily. He gave up this time and maybe that's a really bad thing as most of us think it is. But nobody's perfect, he's allowed to slip once in a while. So let's panic when this becomes a pattern (that's talking out loud to myself too).

Letís just hope that what doesnít kill one makes one strong, as zosse pointed out. Yes, he didnít win RG, he didnít win TMC. But he still came back strong after a big defeat, he had an outstanding second half last year and now a great start this year, he is not a quitter for sure. And whether or not he has it in him. I just want to say, my other fave, Pat won a title at 21 and he was the newcomer of ATP. He disappeared for 2 and a half year and lost 6 finals in a roll in 97 before USO. I bet no one in their right mind would have thought he has it in him to win the big one. But he did. My point is, letís donít count Juanqui out until his career is over in 10 or so years time. I can't say he will win a major just bcos I have faith. But I bet he won't win one if he doesn't have faith in himself. I trust that he believes he has it in him and that is all matters.

JC, Rogi and Marat are 3 talented top 10 guys and we have so much expectation on them. But look around, thereís really a lot of talented guys, Escude (I just love watching him play even though he always lost), Rios, Arazi and even Haas to name a few. Undeniable talents but they didnít put themselves into the front line for criticisms. Should we be glad for JC, Rogi and Marat for being at the position they are at right now? Or the rest for being a also run?

Reality check is fine, I'm doing it right now. But reality is not always negative. I just think we all like our fave in a different level. Some ppl like myself are more emotionally involved, I want the same thing for him as what I would want for my brother, so it's hard to take when things aren't going his way. Some are more detached, hence, more rational and also just looking at the professional side of tennis. So there's two totally different perspectives and we could still like the same player equally. My point is, there's no right or wrong on how to evaluate his performance so far in his career. Because it really depends on what's the measuring stick that we are using and everyone is using different stuff. (Am I making sense?)

Last thought, following the match on a live scoreboard is really not a good thing, it makes me a lot more involved than just finding out the result at the end. Well, itís not many tourney that has scoreboard anyway, so next time will be okay. And hope this is also a turning point that I learn to deal with his loss and donít flipped out every time he lost. And Iím finally able to laugh at myself now. BTW, I successfully refrained myself from attacking that peabrained sushi thread. So I think I've grown too :D.

Chloe le Bopper
01-22-2003, 02:49 AM
rrr well I like your comparison Hitman, Ferrero isn't the player that Guga is (was?).

But eh. I'm thinking on a new thread title.

TennisHack
01-22-2003, 02:49 AM
Layla -- Rainer is up 6-3, 1-2 on serve in the second :)

Dissident
01-22-2003, 02:49 AM
The first BOOM was in capitals, opposed to the second boom, because I didnt have a clue what other word to use. Sorry :o

Chloe le Bopper
01-22-2003, 02:57 AM
I'm running off for a bit.

Talk to you all later :kiss:

TennisHack
01-22-2003, 02:58 AM
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That was a beautiful post, summing up all the arguments and the right reasons. Thanks for bringing it all together for us :)

TennisHack
01-22-2003, 03:01 AM
Rainer breaks for 3-2 in the second.

Vera
01-22-2003, 03:06 AM
Hackie :D.
I'm glad we finally agree on sth today :). See, I can slap out of it too, so let's have faith in ppl :).

I was also watching my hockey team playing like shit losing to the bottom fish team. So everyone can have a bad day on any given day. Tennis is such a tough sports cos you're all on your own. Let's be understanding and reasonable. And talking out loud to myself really works :D.

And thanks Diss too. It would be a lovely thing if Juanqui's career can resemble Guga's.

Dissident
01-22-2003, 03:10 AM
Becca, Ferrero MIGHT not be as good as Guga, but you will never know if you dont give him a chance.
Guga never came into a Slam other than the French as a fave. MAYBE the US Open 2001, along with some several others.

He reached the final of the TMCup already, which Guga hadnt by the same comparison year...
They are different players, and in different ocasions.
Guga started off the better way possible (winning a Slam out of nowhere), Ferrero had to work harder and in a more logic progression.

I said it before, and I stick to that: Ferrero is DOING FINE! Take it easy, wait a little more!!! Iīve been there!! I heard MANY times in 1998 that Guga should fire Larri because he was going DOWN, and had lost his spark... I heard many times he would never win shit out of the clay, or at all, so many times that it would make me wonder if it wasnt me in denial!

Just check Gugaīs thread. Right NOW, there are still some people wanting Guga to fire Larri because he is struggling!!! OMG! :mad:

Anyway, I need to get back to normal mode. Sorry for the burst :o

Lee
01-22-2003, 03:12 AM
Hi TH, Vera, Diss, and everybody!

TennisHack
01-22-2003, 03:18 AM
Oh, I think we agreed on it, we were just seeing it from two different viewpoints, and negativity is very difficult to overcome. I'm sure if I had been present last night my view of this wouldn't be so clear.

But what's done is done and we've moved on :)

Ooh, Rainer lost his break and is now serving to stay in the set :eek:

TennisHack
01-22-2003, 03:19 AM
:wavey: Lee

Vera
01-22-2003, 03:20 AM
Hi Lee :wavey:

TennisHack
01-22-2003, 03:26 AM
David takes the second 7-5. We're at a set apiece.

TennisHack
01-22-2003, 03:27 AM
OMFG I wish the women's doubles would finish already! :fiery: I was hoping I'd get to see Dani's mixed but obviously not :rolleyes:

By the way, did they show Kim's match tonight, or are they showing it tomorrow?

Lee
01-22-2003, 03:30 AM
Looks like we have a pretty lively discussion here. Sorry, I don't have the time and energy to go through all the posts. It seems that emotions are running very high here, not just in this forum but even in GM. I am wondering whether this is caused by lack of sleep. Honestly, most of the poster here lived in Europe and America, the way we followed the matches, we all sleep less than what we used to. I know when I am tired and have not enough sleep, Vince can drive me crazy easily.

The last few days, there are times that I type up some posts and before submit it, I read them again and determine to wipe it out.

TennisHack
01-22-2003, 03:35 AM
To go completely off the subject for a moment . . .

I just checked the weather here, and it's 1. I laughed. What's the point of only being 1 degree? (That's -17C for you metrics ;)). Of course, it's been fucking cold here for the last week or two -- there was snow on the ground when I came back and it's been here ever since, and is supposed to snow tomorrow as well. I love it, of course :) But 1 degree? That's a bit ridiculous. Why not just say it's 0 and get it over with?

Now back to your regularly scheduled chat :o

TennisHack
01-22-2003, 03:36 AM
Rainer holds after breaking in the third set, 2-0. Very difficult hold, especially since he lost his last service game to lose the second set.

Lee
01-22-2003, 03:38 AM
Originally posted by TennisHack
OMFG I wish the women's doubles would finish already! :fiery: I was hoping I'd get to see Dani's mixed but obviously not :rolleyes:

By the way, did they show Kim's match tonight, or are they showing it tomorrow?

I think they will show Kim's match after Serena's. As I said on my previous posts, in stead of showing live of a german vs an argentine, they first show a delayed Serena's match and then Kim's.

Tomorrow afternoon will be, you know who.

Lee
01-22-2003, 03:40 AM
How are the games tonight? I was out for dinner to celebrate Vince's birthday and the restaurant is on ESPN instead of ESPN2. Arrrh!

TennisHack
01-22-2003, 03:41 AM
Thanks, Lee.

Now that Kim's the only one I have left, I'm trying to just get her. I mean, I'm sure we're going to see the Agassihole matches as a "highlight" before every other tournament he plays this year :rolleyes:

TennisHack
01-22-2003, 03:42 AM
Kimeke won easily, and I posted some articles about it. Myskina is of the opinion that she's the best player in the world at the moment :)

Serena also won easily :rolleyes: and Robredo/Portas lost in doubles.

TennisHack
01-22-2003, 03:48 AM
Rainer now up 4-1 in the third :eek:

What a topsy-turvy match.

Lee
01-22-2003, 03:50 AM
It will be real fun with 2 American vs 2 Belgian. Unfortunately, Kimmy is in Serena's half. If Kimmy is to face Venus in SF, I will definitely think she has a better chance. To play Serena, I think it will be base on who has less UE. Anyway, the Williams finally face some real tough opponents in SF.

TennisHack
01-22-2003, 03:53 AM
Rainer 5-1.

Yes, I'd agree that Kim would have a better chance against Venus, but she's going in with all the confidence against Serena. Apparently she cut her errors way down in this match (*crosses fingers* I hope so) and will be on top of her game in the semis. She's not going to just hand it to Serena, that's for sure.

I dunno, Justine might have a chance to get past Venus and break up the sacred all-Williams final. The best of it all would be Kim vs Justine :):):) and Kim would probably win it :):):)

But not to get ahead of ourselves . . . one match at a time ;)

TennisHack
01-22-2003, 03:57 AM
Rainer breaks for 6-3, 5-7, 6-1.

TennisHack
01-22-2003, 04:00 AM
Rainer's on a roll on his serve. He holds easily to start the fourth set, 1-0.

TennisHack
01-22-2003, 04:04 AM
Well, I must be off.

If someone will continue updating the Schuettler score every few games, I'm sure Layla would be happy :)

(Rainer breaks for 2-0 in the fourth)

Goodnight, all :wavey:

Vera
01-22-2003, 04:04 AM
I was out reading the GM. Does anyone else thought Zosse was making fun for putting up that "Count down to Roddick's first slam" thread? I mean, it's just funny that Mrs_Guga thought it's of good intend other than bashing certain player? I'm only on page 1 so i should go read more.

Also, here we have Juan Carlos playing in AO for the first time as "all-courter", otherwise, no one will care to put up those trashing him for losing in the QF, don't you think?

RogiFan
01-22-2003, 04:05 AM
:) Vamos, Rainer, Younes and Wayne!!! :eek: ;)

Yay Kimmie!!! Too bad for Meghann though...

Lee
01-22-2003, 04:19 AM
Originally posted by Vera
I was out reading the GM. Does anyone else thought Zosse was making fun for putting up that "Count down to Roddick's first slam" thread? I mean, it's just funny that Mrs_Guga thought it's of good intend other than bashing certain player? I'm only on page 1 so i should go read more.

Also, here we have Juan Carlos playing in AO for the first time as "all-courter", otherwise, no one will care to put up those trashing him for losing in the QF, don't you think?

I think zosse was not making fun of Andy but those over eager fans (including PMac and Jim). For Mrs_Guga, sometimes I think she's a head case like Marat.

I will talk about Juanqui trashing on another post.

Lee
01-22-2003, 04:20 AM
Just take a look at the scoreboard, I think we may have someone replace Juanqui on those threads tomorrow. :eek:

Vera
01-22-2003, 04:24 AM
Originally posted by Lee
I think zosse was not making fun of Andy but those over eager fans (including PMac and Jim). For Mrs_Guga, sometimes I think she's a head case like Marat.


I don't agree. Marat is a headcase on court. But he's incredibly mature and smart in real life.

Lee
01-22-2003, 04:28 AM
For Layla, Rainer send David off in the 4th set with a goose egg.

Vera
01-22-2003, 04:29 AM
Went to look. At the end of last nite's match, I was praying for no bagel. And I am so thankful for that. But I don't know about trashing David, does anyone actually expect him anything. I mean, the rest of the world. I thought this will be his final number 2 :o. Poor David.

Lee
01-22-2003, 04:30 AM
Originally posted by Vera
I don't agree. Marat is a headcase on court. But he's incredibly mature and smart in real life.

Well, I don't know whether she plays tennis or not, so, I compare how she responses to posts here with how Marat play tennis.

Vera
01-22-2003, 04:31 AM
So now, only if Younes get his job done by finishing off Andy, then we'll have a veteran slam. And the next headline in tennis world. What the hell is wrong with those New Balls, again!!!

Vera
01-22-2003, 04:41 AM
Originally posted by Lee
Just take a look at the scoreboard, I think we may have someone replace Juanqui on those threads tomorrow. :eek:

And also, someone will replace Juanqui, but not David. The GM will either be overwhelmed with "Dickhead, where's your serve?" in the case he lost to Younes. Or "Haters, in your face, Roddick in SF"... well, just a few suggestions and I'm sure others are far more creative than me :p .

Lee
01-22-2003, 04:45 AM
Here is the response I mentioned in prev. post:

1. Of all the new balls, Juanqui's record is the 2nd best (behind Hewitt). So, he is the next one after Hewitt to be hounded by media.

2. Less media attention on Andy because of his last year's record and I think he also notice the media hype is not doing him any good so he start down playing with the media.

3. Less media attention on Safin. Also because of his poor record and injury.

Vera
01-22-2003, 04:49 AM
Good points. Are you just putting up some observation? or are you responding to a specific post? Sorry, I'm just a little confused.

BTW, I forgot to congrat Vince for his birthday. He's 8 now, right? Just too overwhelmed with emotion today so things slip.

Lee
01-22-2003, 05:01 AM
Originally posted by Vera
So now, only if Younes get his job done by finishing off Andy, then we'll have a veteran slam. And the next headline in tennis world. What the hell is wrong with those New Balls, again!!!

There is nothing wrong with those New Balls. It is not easy for new balls to win slam. I am not very good at remembering who won which GS for the last 10 years or so. But I have to say most Slam champions are veteran than young guns. Boris Becker won Wimbly, Chang won FO, Sampras won USO, and Guga won FO, (I may left out some other but I just want to make my point) at that time, they were all very young, but, there were no expectation for them to win. Even when Marat and Hewitt won USO, they are not top fav.

With this New Balls campaign, ATP put a whole bunch of young players on the pedestral, increase the pressure for them to perform, as a result, the whole bunch, other than Hewitt with amazing mental toughness, seems to underachieve.

Please pay attention that I said "seems to underachieve", not "underachieve".

Lee
01-22-2003, 05:04 AM
Originally posted by Vera
Good points. Are you just putting up some observation? or are you responding to a specific post? Sorry, I'm just a little confused.

BTW, I forgot to congrat Vince for his birthday. He's 8 now, right? Just too overwhelmed with emotion today so things slip.

I response to your post about people trashing Juanqui for going out in QF.

Vincent is 7 today and thanks.

Vera
01-22-2003, 05:06 AM
I'm not questioning the New Balls, I'm just predicting what's gonna happen here as well as in the media. Remember USO last year? Pete and Ahole in the final and the tennis world concluded that New Balls were doomed. This would be even worse, I mean, it would be Ahole and not-even-Pete. Well, unless is Pandy, then he will be praised as the savior of the New Balls, another prediction. :D

Vera
01-22-2003, 05:09 AM
Originally posted by Lee
I response to your post about people trashing Juanqui for going out in QF.

Vincent is 7 today and thanks.

Oh sorry for mistaken both.

BTW, I actually don't think that's much trashing. Well, the usual suspect always come out to say something which is expected. It's not like there's an overwhelmingly support of trashing of Juanqui. But they can trash all they want, since it won't change a thing in reality.

Lee
01-22-2003, 05:14 AM
Originally posted by Vera
I'm not questioning the New Balls, I'm just predicting what's gonna happen here as well as in the media. Remember USO last year? Pete and Ahole in the final and the tennis world concluded that New Balls were doomed. This would be even worse, I mean, it would be Ahole and not-even-Pete. Well, unless is Pandy, then he will be praised as the savior of the New Balls, another prediction. :D

OK!

May be we should question the media how well they know tennis? :D :D

After last 3 days result, I really dare not to say AA will be in the final.

Vera
01-22-2003, 05:20 AM
Originally posted by Lee
OK!

May be we should question the media how well they know tennis? :D :D

After last 3 days result, I really dare not to say AA will be in the final.

True *recalled TMC Shanghai Novak spanked AA match*, you never know :D :D.

Lee
01-22-2003, 05:29 AM
Vera, have you read most of those threads in GM?

I also noticed there are lots of new posters here, some are good and some are, well,:( :eek:

Vera
01-22-2003, 05:29 AM
Well, I'm gonna go. Good night Lee :wavey:
And have a good day, Kat :wavey:

Vera
01-22-2003, 05:29 AM
Oh, didn't see your last point, let me check first.

Vera
01-22-2003, 05:31 AM
Do you mean costaslam2, that he created those crap threads?

Lee
01-22-2003, 05:37 AM
Originally posted by Vera
Do you mean costaslam2, that he created those crap threads?

I already have this one on the ignore list but I don't think I am pointing to certain posters but on a whole.

Also, I just read this from AO's site and I think it worth to take some time to read it:

Wayne's winning outlook
Wednesday, 22 January, 2003
by Martin Cox

Wayne Ferreira's progress through to the semi-finals at Australian Open 2003 raises the question 'How can a player be hitting career-best form in his early 30s?'

While the 31-year-old South African wasn't expected to outlast the likes of No.4 seed Juan Carlos Ferrero, he beat the Spaniard in straight sets to reach his first Grand Slam semi-final since this event in 1992.

How does a player reach new heights when it seems he is reaching the twilight of his career? According to Ferreira, it's all in the mind.

But mental stability is not something that can be easily achieved. Ferreira has worked hard over the years to get his head right, but in the end it was something that came with maturity.

"When I was younger, I went to sports psychologists, I read these books, I listened to these tapes, I listened to this person and did that and this. None of it ever really seemed to work," he explained.

"I haven't done anything in the last two years, and all of a sudden it's changed. It's a difficult thing. I wish I knew what it was. You know what? I'm just grateful that I have it now. I'm trying to use it and get the most out of it while I can.

"Nobody could teach it to me. You know, it's something that I think I just worked out for myself. I think it's a very difficult side of tennis. The mental side is very, very important."

It was not that long ago that Ferreira came very close to quitting the game, but the birth of his first child gave him a new outlook on life.

"I think probably the most important factor of the whole thing is that my son has changed my attitude towards the game of tennis. Before, it was more of a life-and-death situation, and there was nothing worse than losing a tennis match. Now there's a lot of things worse than losing a tennis match."

For players, off-court problems often affect performances on the court, which is something that Ferreira has had to deal with.

"I had a lot of problems off the court. It's very difficult. Tennis is a very, very mental game. To have problems outside that have nothing to do with tennis, have that on your mind, and obviously not playing very good tennis, it makes it very difficult.

"I've sorted out those problems. I've dealt with them pretty well. Things are a lot better. Obviously I've adapted to the fact of having a son and being away from him, and doing what I'm doing. I've looked at the fact that tennis is a short career, and I have a long life after that, that I should give my best while I can."

If Ferreira had not found the right mindset, he probably wouldn't be one of the last four title contenders.

When he meets Agassi in his semi-final he will be playing against someone else who is comfortable with defeat.

"That's the great thing about our sport, there's always next week. That's the way you have to look at it. You have to look at it as a building process.

"While it's an opportunity to accomplish something pretty great, it's also understandable to have days that don't go the way you plan," said a philosophical Agassi, who rekindled his passion after temporarily leaving the game in 1997.

While he hasn't needed to worry too much about losing at Melbourne Park in his recent campaigns, his positive outlook is probably one of the reasons he hasn't been beaten here since 1999.

Lee
01-22-2003, 05:39 AM
Bye everybody! :wavey:

Vera
01-22-2003, 05:49 AM
Wow, this one is good. I mean, it answer the question I wonder about, is sports-psych a must? I mean, we all know the mental part is the toughest to do. I think those commentators said (can't remember which one but at valid point). That you either have it in you or you don't. It's not like a FH that you can just correct. If sports-psych is the answer to a headcase, then you wonder how come some seems not to have visited one. I mean, if someone tell me that I can be stronger and more determine if I go to see them, then why not as long as I can afford, cos the reward would be huge.

Well, Costa said the same thing, that after he has a twin, he calmed down a lot, and finally came thru in RG. Maybe the key is to have kids :p, j/k.

So that's it. We can't blame those young guys for being not mature enough in situation like a slam or whatever important match. They are in their early 20s and some of the ppl at their early 20s are ridiculously immature (not implying anything so pls don't take offense). I think in the earlier era when the tennis is not as much depth, it's probably easier to win a slam based on the raw talent. But now, it's both quality of talent and maturity are as important.

Vera
01-22-2003, 06:01 AM
:wavey: bye.

vaiva
01-22-2003, 07:11 AM
Good morning thread :wavey: from ex-zosse ;)

Vera, you were right. My thread about A-Rod was meant for fun. And I still find it funny that neither of Andy's fans managed to count the number of days left before the final :p

vaiva
01-22-2003, 07:24 AM
This one is for Layla:

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20030122/capt.1043218987australian_open_tennis_mel160.jpg

Rainer Schuettler from Germany jubilates after his 6-3, 5-7, 6-1, 6-0, victory against David Nalbandian of Argentine at the Australian Open Tennis Tournament in Melbourne, Wednesday, Jan. 22, 2003.

Francine
01-22-2003, 11:33 AM
Goodafternoon! I'm currently watching Pandy against the Vowelman and El Aynaoui had a matchpoint a few games ago, but now they're tied 7-7 in the 5th set. Please take Pandy out, Phulease!

About that discussion you guys had last night; I think JC definitly has it in him to win a GS, RG being the most likely one. Loosing in the final last year the way he did definitly wasn't good, but he learned a lot from it, like they say: you don't learn anything from winning, but a lot from loosing. So I think the next time he reaches the final he'll keep it together and play a good match, maybe he'll loose because he can't close it out, or because he's being outplayed, but he'll definitly won't fuck the WHOLE match up, like last year. And I also think that mental strenght comes with the years, the more matches you fuck up, the more you learn, the more tight 5-setters you play the more you learn, etc. And another point, HE'S THE 3RD BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD! Ofcourse you can win a slam then! There you go, my view on it all.

P&V are tied 9-9 now and I still have to go out and vote for the Dutch parlement, they better hurry up, otherwise I'll miss my chance to influence to future of this country :P

Francine
01-22-2003, 11:51 AM
LOL! Pandy just served for it and Younes broke back :D Hope he holds now. Andy is being such a pain in the ass, wining on almost every call against him, calling the umpire names, tsssssss.

And he holds!

Francine
01-22-2003, 12:31 PM
Ok, so I went out for 20 minutes, came back and they where tied at 15-15 or something like that and now it's18-17, Jezus Christ. And Andy is really being rude to the umpire, I'm surprised he hasn't got an ofiicial warning yet.

Francine
01-22-2003, 12:43 PM
JC's interview:

W. FERREIRA/J.C. Ferrero
7-6, 7-6, 6-1

Q. What happened today? It was a very difficult match?
JUAN CARLOS FERRERO: You know, today was a day that I play bad. I didn't feel very good the ball. I lost the first two sets 7-6, 7-6. All my confidence go down because I had also lost two first sets. Second set, 40-15 with 5-4, I had so many chances. I was playing so bad in the third. I start with a break. My confidence start to go very down. Finally my mentally was not so good to win.

Q. Were you tired against the match from Fabrice before?
JUAN CARLOS FERRERO: No, no, I didn't feel tired today. I feel all right. If I won the first two sets, I think that I win the match for sure.
But losing the first two sets 7-6, 7-6, it's very tough to come back and try to win again. Tennis is like this.

Q. Did you feel the conditions today were different from the days you played before?
JUAN CARLOS FERRERO: I think so.

Q. More difficult for you?
JUAN CARLOS FERRERO: Today was a little bit cold, different from the other days. The first time I play in the night, you know. It's not easy for me.
But, you know, also for him. He played very good. He stayed in the whole match with so many winners, with his service and forehand. He didn't miss the ball.
I think he played a really good, solid match.

19-19, for heavens sake Younes, put Pandy out of his misery.

LOL, there letting the ballboys play a few points now.

Francine
01-22-2003, 12:49 PM
Damn it 21-19.

RogiFan
01-22-2003, 12:59 PM
Originally posted by xxfrancine
Damn it 21-19.


:mad:

All we can hope for is that he's going to be tired!

Can Wayne beat AA??? Pray hard!!:angel:

TennisHack
01-22-2003, 01:40 PM
:wavey: Morning, thread!

So first of all, :rolleyes: at that Roddick score. He probably thinks he's God now, winning 21-19 in the fifth. Personally, I think Rainer will kick his ass in the semis :D if only because he's been in cruise control for the whole tournament. And Roddick is going to be fucking tired, you can count on that :D

For some reason they are having both mens' and womens' semis today -- well, Agassihole's semi, at any rate. I hope Wayne brings him down to size -- how funny would that be -- a Wayne vs Rainer final? Talk about a "Mr. Nobody" final! :D:D:D:D

*crossed fingers* for Kimmy and Justine. This is the only time I'm happy that the Williams get preference on ESPN, and hopefully we will see some good matches from both ladies :)

TennisHack
01-22-2003, 01:41 PM
Clijsters not afraid

Kim Clijsters warned that she would not be intimidated by Serena Williams after crushing Anastasia Myskina 6-2 6-4 on Wednesday to set up an Australian Open semi-final with the world number one who crushed Meghann Shaughnessy 6-2 6-2.

The Belgian fourth seed said that she would not be pressing the panic button even if the American won the first set 6-0 when they meet on Thursday.

"Serena and (her sister) Venus are always the toughest girls to play," Clijsters said after reaching the semi-finals in Melbourne for the second year running.

"If they play their best tennis it's going to be very hard to beat them. On the other hand, they will have these moments when they are maybe not as consistent or maybe making a few errors.

"It's a matter of staying with them at the beginning of the match. You have to grab every chance you get to break them."

"You shouldn't worry, even if they win the first set 6-0. In any match, it can turn around very quickly."

Clijsters, a favourite with the Australian fans due to her romance with men's world number one Lleyton Hewitt, broke a five-match losing streak against Serena by beating the American for the first time last November in the final of the season-ending WTA Championships.

The 19-year-old Clijsters has now won 24 of her last 25 matches after passing her first test of the Open against Russian eighth seed Myskina.

The Belgian has dropped just 16 games in the tournament so far, compared to 32 for Serena.

The world number one demolished her fellow American in just 65 minutes to show why she is the favourite to win the one major championship that has eluded her.

"I'm definitely thrilled to be in the semi-finals, it will be a lot of fun, so I'm really excited," Williams said.


Eurosport
AS & Reuters

Chloe le Bopper
01-22-2003, 01:42 PM
Did he actually call the ump names?

Nice to see that he's taking after Mardy.

Would it kill them to take after a great sportsman like Blake? :fiery:

TennisHack
01-22-2003, 01:42 PM
It's the US versus Belgium on Day 11
Wednesday, 22 January, 2003
by Barry Levinson

Three singles semi-finals highlight the action on Day 11 of Australian Open 2003 on Thursday and, not surprisingly, the Williams sisters feature prominently.

And it is a case of the United States versus Belgium in the women's singles, with American No.2 seed Venus Williams squaring-up against Belgian No.5 seed Justine Henin-Hardenne in the first of the semi-finals on Centre Court at Rod Laver Arena.

Following them will be Venus' sister and tournament favourite Serena Williams against Belgian No.4 seed Kim Clijsters, in arguably the most anticipated match of the day.

In the Twilight Session, the United States will again be represented when No.2 seed Andre Agassi takes on unseeded South African veteran Wayne Ferreira in the first of the men's semi-finals.

The second semi will be played on Friday evening.

Henin-Hardenne will be out to reverse her recent form against Venus, having lost their last six encounters. She trails 1-6 in their head-to-head record, but believes she has nothing to lose this time around.

"I think I always play well against Venus," Henin-Hardenne said. "We've played a lot of tough matches together, especially on clay courts (and) hard courts too.

"But I like playing her. I mean, I'm in the semis. I will have everything to win and nothing to lose in this match. I believe in my chances because I have been strong in this tournament."

Despite having a superior record against the Belgian, Williams still regrets losing to Henin-Hardenne when they met for the first time on clay at the 2001 German Open.

"I hated that one loss," Williams recalled. "I always remember the losses more than the wins. So I guess I'll keep that in mind when I play the next one. But I think she's playing really well."

None of the four women's semi-finalists have ever reached an Australian Open final before.

In the first match on Rod Laver Arena, Australia's Todd Woodbridge will partner Greece's Eleni Daniilidou in a mixed doubles quarter-final against South Africa's Robbie Koenig and Belgium's Els Callens.

All semi-finals in the men's and women's doubles will also be played, with the top seeded Williams sisters pairing-up to face compatriots Lindsay Davenport and Lisa Raymond in the last match scheduled for the day on Margaret Court Arena.

RogiFan
01-22-2003, 01:49 PM
Originally posted by Rebecca
Did he actually call the ump names?

Nice to see that he's taking after Mardy.

Would it kill them to take after a great sportsman like Blake? :fiery:

lol!!!

I'm glad Pandy's behaving in his usual manner!!!

GO BELGIAN GIRLS!!!! ;)

vaiva
01-22-2003, 02:08 PM
Hi TH, RF, Becca :wavey:

The Belgian girls are the only ones I care now in this AO. But for how long?

A-Rod/Rainer can be a tricky match. Rainer is a good returner and very quick. He can punish the clown at the net with his passing shots. Duh, as if I really care. :rolleyes:

vaiva
01-22-2003, 02:11 PM
When I came back I expected to see more A-Rod dedicated threads in GM, lol :D

Probably some posters are still washing their panties :o (I cannot believe I said that)

vaiva
01-22-2003, 02:26 PM
funny? :rolleyes:

Puss-in-Boots
01-22-2003, 02:30 PM
Originally posted by vaiva
Probably some posters are still washing their panties :o

ROFLMFAO!!!! :D


:wavey: thread! :)

Chloe le Bopper
01-22-2003, 02:41 PM
I didn't think that I would end up saying this, but the Open was really over for me after Ferrero lost :o

David was a side show to keep me somewhat entertained, but even then I was somewhat "meh" about the whole occasion.

Puss-in-Boots
01-22-2003, 02:44 PM
:wavey: Becca!

LOL, I was starting to wonder if I smelt bad or something! LOL

I'm kinda the same about the mens tournament at the moment... after Juanqui lost, I decided that I would just try and stay calm and coast, and not cheer either for, or against, anyone...

vaiva
01-22-2003, 03:01 PM
Originally posted by TennisHack
So first of all, :rolleyes: at that Roddick score. He probably thinks he's God now, winning 21-19 in the fifth.

And even if he does not think he's, there'll be some 'good people' around to convince him.

ILR
01-22-2003, 03:13 PM
:wavey:

I never came back on last night but Liverpool are into the worthington cup final.Its not exactly a big cup but winning is great :D 2-0 and guess who got the second Layla?;)

At least Kimmie is still going strong :)and I see so is Andy :rolleyes: I bet ESPN are having a field day!

ILR
01-22-2003, 05:02 PM
I posted this on the Rogi forum,and I bet some of you have seen it before,but its quite scary!:eek: follow instructions!

TennisHack
01-22-2003, 07:33 PM
:wavey: Hi, all!

Well I see "Andymonium" as Becca has termed it has begun in full swng!! Oh how I dread watching any tennis after this match, because not only are we going to be subject to every Andy match available, we wil be reminded of this match and its incredible score for the rest of our lives (and his career). Apparently ESPN is going to show the match this afternoon -- in ites entirety? :o I'm just thanking everything that I am not having this afternoon taped *whew*

I can only hope that after 5 and a half hours of play he's dead on his feet. I never thought I'd be cheering for Rainer but at this point, the only way this won't become the US Open all over again for me is the slim chance that it will be a Rainer-Wayne final. Besides, Rainer is the only one left on my team :D

Diss :eek: I can't believe you praised Andy!! Well I can, but I can't believe you'd add fuel to the fire in GM!! :eek: I don't think I've ever wanted someone to lose so badly as I want Andy to lose . . . which is a shame cause I used to like him. But just to have the chance to see those "Lovers" eat crow is too sweet a temptation to pass up :D

ILR
01-22-2003, 07:44 PM
Hi Hackie :wavey:

lol Andymonium is driving me mad already!I mean you'd think hed already won the AO :rolleyes:

TennisHack
01-22-2003, 08:05 PM
:wavey: Hi, ILR!

*whew*, just finished discussing Michel's mental setbacks in the fan club. It was very depressing :sad: but what more can we do? I wish I knew what was going on with him.

ILR
01-22-2003, 08:09 PM
:( I know what you mean,when you get talking about a player and his fans or her fans think theyve under acheived and you know they are capable of so much more,well it is depressing!

TennisHack
01-22-2003, 08:15 PM
Well, the problem is, he has underachieved. Unlike the Randy Andy fans, that place is very civilisied in discussing such things :)

ILR
01-22-2003, 08:20 PM
yep I know what thats all about!Andy fans are crazy!:p they think hes some kind of god in every way and that if a high ranked player loses to a lower ranked player,well....disaster!:eek:

Lee
01-22-2003, 08:24 PM
Hi Emma, TH!

TennisHack
01-22-2003, 08:26 PM
LMFAO!!!

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20030122/capt.1043257539australian_open_tennis_mel186.jpg
Younes El Aynaoui of Morocco disputes a call by staring at the baseline during his quarterfinals match against Andy Roddick of the United States at the Australian Open tennis tournament, Wednesday, Jan. 22, 2003, in Melbourne. Roddick won 4-6, 7-6, 4-6, 6-4, 21-19. (AP Photo/David Callow)


And just by browsing the photo gallery, you can tell Roddick had his share of theatrics, including falling on the court after winning, rolling around like he couldn't stand up, etc etc etc :rolleyes:

TennisHack
01-22-2003, 08:27 PM
:wavey: Hi, Lee

ILR
01-22-2003, 08:28 PM
Hi Lee :wavey:

Lee
01-22-2003, 08:30 PM
I waked up this morning with terrible cramps, take some pain killers and slept till noon. Turned on the TV and they were playing the 4th set. I checked the listing and the broadcast was supposed just to start and I thought what's wrong. I kept myself staying away from the computer, not to check scores cause I knew this one will go to the history. Well, guess I lost it when they get to 16-16 in 5th.

Anyway, TH, forget about Andy fans. This match is very good. If you don't watch if bcos of Andy, you miss the chance to see how well Aynaoui played too. Both are playing excellent tennis. It's amazing they still deliver winners after so many hours and the winners are not just bombing serve.

TennisHack
01-22-2003, 08:33 PM
Younes :fiery::fiery: got both of his fierys back, just like I said.

Oh, I'm sure I'll be subject to some part of this match, just like I said. Hence, I'm not going to watch it now since I'll be forced to watch it as part of the highlight reel before all of Andy's matches for the rest of his life.

Lee
01-22-2003, 08:34 PM
Emma, congrat on Liverpool's win! I like to know how the team is doing and thanks for the info. Looks like you make me cared about my once beloved team!

ILR
01-22-2003, 08:38 PM
Originally posted by Lee
Emma, congrat on Liverpool's win! I like to know how the team is doing and thanks for the info. Looks like you make me cared about my once beloved team!

thanks Lee :) Ill always have info when you need it or want it!Anything!Glad I made you care once again :) Its nice not to be alone and nice to know that other people know and care about what Im talking about!:)

Lee
01-22-2003, 08:45 PM
Originally posted by TennisHack
Younes :fiery::fiery: got both of his fierys back, just like I said.

Oh, I'm sure I'll be subject to some part of this match, just like I said. Hence, I'm not going to watch it now since I'll be forced to watch it as part of the highlight reel before all of Andy's matches for the rest of his life.

Oops! Forget about this guy is not quite on your prefer list of players. Sorry!

Vera
01-22-2003, 08:58 PM
Hi Lee, Hackie and Emma :wavey:

OMG, someone made a fan out of me :eek: :eek: :eek: . But before I mention his name, I need an exemption. :D :p

That man from Morocco, is he great or what. I just watched his interview. That big genuine smile after losing in 5 hours. And his accent :kiss:. What a gracious classy great man. And I can't believe how great he played. Well, I mean I can, I did watch him beating Lleyton. Now I can understand why Juanqui lost to him. And until the next time he plays Juanqui, he'll be on my good guy list :) .

ILR
01-22-2003, 09:06 PM
Hi Vera :wavey:

The only thing I really knew about him was he spoke 5 languages. :o lol amd he won Doha last year!

Lee
01-22-2003, 09:06 PM
Hi Vera!

Francine
01-22-2003, 09:13 PM
:wavey:

Wow, that thing you posted was pretty scary ILR, I think I saw Jezus :eek: :angel: j/k

TennisHack
01-22-2003, 09:13 PM
:wavey: Hi, Vera!

LOL, guess I'm stuck keeping the ol' hatred alive by myself ;) I don't hate Younes :fiery::fiery:, I've seen some of his matches from last year (when he defeated Zhenya at TMS Canada, his US Open run) and the only thing I hold against him is that he's defeated two of my faves. Wish he could've drubbed Andy, but oh, well.

I was afraid for a minute there you were having a change of heart about Roddick :eek:

Francine
01-22-2003, 09:15 PM
:wavey:

Wow, that thing you posted was pretty scary ILR, I think I saw Jezus :eek: :angel: j/k ;)

ILR
01-22-2003, 09:20 PM
lol it was wasnt it Francine!:eek: scared me,just ask RF!:p anyway Im off to bed now!:wavey:

Lee
01-22-2003, 09:21 PM
Hi Francine!

Vera, where's your new avatar comes from?

And the board is extremely slowwwwwwwww!

Francine
01-22-2003, 09:22 PM
Oh, wait a minute, why was that posted twice? Guess because the board is extremely slow for me.

Lee
01-22-2003, 09:29 PM
Goodnight Emma! :wavey:

RogiFan
01-22-2003, 09:33 PM
:angel: nite nite ILR!!!

I like your new avatar, Vera!!

I fear we shall NEVER hear the end of Pandy's exploits in this QF... I can just imagine the commentators drooling over him... just what we need!! :rolleyes: :mad: Oh and Pandy has so much HEART and sportmanship! :rolleyes: don't tell me he's going to get the Stefan Edberg Sportsmanship Award over Rogi now!

Vera
01-22-2003, 09:35 PM
Originally posted by TennisHack
:wavey: Hi, Vera!

LOL, guess I'm stuck keeping the ol' hatred alive by myself ;) I don't hate Younes :fiery::fiery:, I've seen some of his matches from last year (when he defeated Zhenya at TMS Canada, his US Open run) and the only thing I hold against him is that he's defeated two of my faves. Wish he could've drubbed Andy, but oh, well.

I was afraid for a minute there you were having a change of heart about Roddick :eek:

C'mon Hackie. Have faith in me :D.

I don't like Andy not bcos he's a bad tennis player or whatever. I do agree that he played extremely well and shown some hearts. But I just can't stand his personalities, just not my cup of tea. He played a great match but everyone can play a great match, so I'm not going to change my attitude toward him.

I also don't like him bcos I can't stand his fans and the media. I tried to enjoy the match, but then hearing PMac and Cliffy's endless bias kissass and reading all those bold Roddick fan posts in here just stopped me from being non-biased. There's so many good players out there and one good match is not going to make me like Roddick.

On the other hand, I never really hate Younes. He's evil when he plays Juanqui. But knowing that he's so intellectual (cos someone a long time ago posted his background here, that he speaks lots of language, that how his dad asked him not to play tennis bcos tennis player has no future in Morocco but he insisted...) Anyway, I'm quite open-minded sometimes :p .

Vera
01-22-2003, 09:42 PM
Good nite Emma and hi RF and Francine :wavey:

My avatar is from Kitzhebul last year. He looks good in creamy color :).

Layla
01-22-2003, 09:44 PM
Hi everyone! :wavey:

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!!!!

RAINER WON!!! http://www.smilies.org/basesmilies/blob_red.gif http://www.smilies.org/basesmilies/blob_red.gif http://www.smilies.org/basesmilies/blob_red.gif

Forgive my outburst. I worked all day and I just finished watching the tape of the match. :)

Finally, some good news, my one remaining fave among the men is still alive. :D And maybe, just maybe, Andy will be so tired after today's match that he won't be playing at his best level. ;)

Would you believe that match! What was it, 21-19 in the 5th? You guys probably already discussed it all but I haven't read any of the posts yet. The board is sloooooooow. I just want to add that while I was impressed at the quality of the match and the way they embraced at the end, I do believe Andy needs to back off from the umpires. I've seen him insult the umpires so many times now, it's really annoying. I can't believe he gets away with it. He said things like "Grow a spine!" and "I'm surprised you can even count to 18" That right there shows his character perfectly. :rolleyes:

So I suppose the Roddick-Agassi final looms ever closer. :p What a dreadful prospect. *shudder*

On the other hand, this is SchŁttler's first semi-final appearance in a slam and he's been out there for quite a while so I'm delighted with his success. :) Congrats Rainer! :kiss:

Francine
01-22-2003, 09:44 PM
Night Vera, he sure does, cute photo!

Francine
01-22-2003, 09:47 PM
Oh wait, vera you said, hi, lol. Thought were leaving

RogiFan
01-22-2003, 09:48 PM
:p both Pandy and AA get away w murder on the court, insulting umps, shouting obscenities and profanities, acting like the a-holes they are... but do they get fined or even warned?? not bloody likely... :mad:

Lee
01-22-2003, 09:54 PM
Hi Layla and RF!

Francine
01-22-2003, 09:58 PM
Well, that was a short visit for me, I'm going to bed, goodnight! :wavey:

Vera
01-22-2003, 10:00 PM
Originally posted by RogiFan
:p both Pandy and AA get away w murder on the court, insulting umps, shouting obscenities and profanities, acting like the a-holes they are... but do they get fined or even warned?? not bloody likely... :mad:

And you get warning for speaking spanish to the um:rolleyes: :(

Vera
01-22-2003, 10:01 PM
Goodnight Francine :wavey:

Hi Layla :wavey:

RogiFan
01-22-2003, 10:03 PM
Originally posted by Vera
And you get warning for speaking spanish to the um:rolleyes: :(

Hi Vera -- yeah, and how dumb is that????!!

Oops, gotta go for my din! See you later, guys!

Vera
01-22-2003, 10:05 PM
Bye RF :wavey:

Layla
01-22-2003, 10:06 PM
Night night Francine! :wavey:

Hi Lee, Vera and Rogifan! :wavey:

Still reading the posts from last night and today. ;) So how are you all?

Lee
01-22-2003, 10:10 PM
By Francine & RF!

Layla
01-22-2003, 10:13 PM
Lee, a belated happy birthday to Vince! :o :) Did he enjoy it? Did he like his presents?

Lee
01-22-2003, 10:37 PM
Originally posted by Layla
Lee, a belated happy birthday to Vince! :o :) Did he enjoy it? Did he like his presents?

Thanks Layla! He is still playing with his new toys. :D :D

Layla
01-22-2003, 10:37 PM
Originally posted by IluvRogi
:wavey:

I never came back on last night but Liverpool are into the worthington cup final.Its not exactly a big cup but winning is great :D 2-0 and guess who got the second Layla?;)


Wooohooo for Liverpool! :bounce: Yeah, I actually saw that bit of news on the MSN site when I logged off from hotmail. :) That cute pic of Michael caught my eyes. ;)

Lee
01-22-2003, 10:41 PM
Originally posted by Vera
Well, Costa said the same thing, that after he has a twin, he calmed down a lot, and finally came thru in RG. Maybe the key is to have kids :p, j/k.


Having kids definitely change a lot in ones life. Most of the time, they make you stronger. I don't think it's possible for me to make people don't have children be able to understand.

Puss-in-Boots
01-22-2003, 10:44 PM
:wavey: :)

Lee
01-22-2003, 10:50 PM
Allan! Glad to see you here! :wavey:

Puss-in-Boots
01-22-2003, 10:54 PM
Hi Lee! Thanks! :)

....boards are slow again..... wonder if this problem will ever go away

Vera
01-22-2003, 10:57 PM
Hi Allan :wavey:

Bye cos I'm going now. :wavey:

Puss-in-Boots
01-22-2003, 10:59 PM
:wavey: Bye Vera!

TennisHack
01-22-2003, 10:59 PM
:wavey: Hi DP & Layla!

TennisHack
01-22-2003, 10:59 PM
LOL, I just complained about the board being slow for me in the complaints forum and it's back to normal :D

So I like you have to curse it :D

TennisHack
01-22-2003, 11:04 PM
Originally posted by Vera
C'mon Hackie. Have faith in me :D.

I don't like Andy not bcos he's a bad tennis player or whatever. I do agree that he played extremely well and shown some hearts. But I just can't stand his personalities, just not my cup of tea. He played a great match but everyone can play a great match, so I'm not going to change my attitude toward him.

I also don't like him bcos I can't stand his fans and the media. I tried to enjoy the match, but then hearing PMac and Cliffy's endless bias kissass and reading all those bold Roddick fan posts in here just stopped me from being non-biased. There's so many good players out there and one good match is not going to make me like Roddick.

On the other hand, I never really hate Younes. He's evil when he plays Juanqui. But knowing that he's so intellectual (cos someone a long time ago posted his background here, that he speaks lots of language, that how his dad asked him not to play tennis bcos tennis player has no future in Morocco but he insisted...) Anyway, I'm quite open-minded sometimes :p .

Well, I just don't like Andy. Mostly for the reasons you have already stated. As if all the hype around him wasn't annoying enough, he bought into it and is acting lik an ass to keep it around :rolleyes:

Younes :fiery::fiery: . . . well, I never had a great interest in him, but his story really is amazing. I've found (and probably said before) that tennis players are very, very intelligent human beings. Younes speaks 5 languages (Arabic, English, French, Italian, and Spanish), Marat speaks 4 or 5 . . . almost all nonAmerican players speak at least 2 (native tongue & English -- poor Youzhny, I watched the video of his interview and he was really struggling with his English :( but it will come).

And as you said, Younes :fiery::fiery: is only the devil when playing against our :angel: