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Vera
01-11-2003, 07:06 AM
Originally posted by Rebecca
Anyhow I'm tired.

I've exhausted myself to the point that I worried myself about Squillari (good lord, if he loses to Franco, we will never hear the end).

So goodnight all.

:kiss:

Nite Becca. Don't worry, he won't lose to Franco. Then again, if he does, you may never have to have any expectation on him, then it would be easier than ever to like him :) .

Okay, bye. :kiss:

Vera
01-11-2003, 07:06 AM
Originally posted by Lee
I don't think NDP will be back to power soon. See, Albertans still hate Liberal since Troudeau's Liberal era..

Gosh, i wish British Columbians are as smart as those Albertans.

Lee
01-11-2003, 07:10 AM
Originally posted by Vera

But besides that, BC is great to live. If you come to look for a job, then, you are better off in the East, for sure.

Yes, my hubby told me one of the guys got laid off from Calgary's office is moving to Vancouver cos he found a job there.

I know the story about BC Ferries. This reminds me the conversation I have with another parent in Vince's school. We were talking about something and she mentioned her family were in Victoria for a vacation last summer, her sons had strept (??) throat and insurance company suggested they returned to US for treatment. In a hurry, she took the BC Ferries instead of her original ship and found out that compare to her original ship, the fare was small change. I just said, yeah, cos that is run by gov't.

Vera
01-11-2003, 07:10 AM
Okay, I should go too. Before you guys get tired of me ranting about anything and everything.

Good night Lee :wavey: Leo and Maly if you guys are still around :wavey:

Leo7
01-11-2003, 07:12 AM
Originally posted by Rebecca
Vera - I'm not trying to bug you with my comments.. like I know you are dissapointed at the moment and I don't mean to sound like I'm ragging on about him.

I mean, as much as I could adore a tennis player who I don't even know, I simply adore him - like nothing I say is intended to be taking him down.

But the way I've been talking, is just how I feel. Which bothers me, because of course I would love him to prove me otherwise.

Anyhow - I'm not sure I will follow his Oz match (es) live. Quite frankly I've became way to "attached" and don't think that it's very healthy for me.

i know what you mean about becoming too attached. after one of my faves lose i feel like shit for days and i'm always so down.

Lee
01-11-2003, 07:12 AM
Maly seems to be still around and I guess Leo has sunk very deep in pacman. :D :D

Goodnight Vera. Hope you feel better tomorrow. I also have to go thru another lost by Lindsay but I think I'm used to it now and I don't really expect her to win any final now.

Leo7
01-11-2003, 07:13 AM
:wavey: i'm gonna go to bed to.. goodnight

Vera
01-11-2003, 07:13 AM
Originally posted by Lee
Yes, my hubby told me one of the guys got laid off from Calgary's office is moving to Vancouver cos he found a job there.

I know the story about BC Ferries. This reminds me the conversation I have with another parent in Vince's school. We were talking about something and she mentioned her family were in Victoria for a vacation last summer, her sons had strept (??) throat and insurance company suggested they returned to US for treatment. In a hurry, she took the BC Ferries instead of her original ship and found out that compare to her original ship, the fare was small change. I just said, yeah, cos that is run by gov't.

I wish I didn't see this before I go :mad:. The BC gov't should stop running anything immediately to save the province. You know, our bus here is losing money everyday in operation. That's why ppl were not supporting the drivers when they got on strike bcos it's actually saving our taxpayers money when the buses are not running. This is a fucking joke.

Vera
01-11-2003, 07:14 AM
Now. I'm really going. Sweet dreams, guys. :wavey:

Lee
01-11-2003, 07:15 AM
Oops! Sorry Vera! I guess I better go to bed too!

Bye Leo!

Bye Maly!

Lee
01-11-2003, 07:33 AM
Just take a peep at AO's Monday schedule and all of TH's fav. are playing.

GO:

Juanqui
Michel
Jarkko
Mario Ancic (smack me if I'm wrong about this one)

And doesn't look like Juanqui will have much air time cos AA will be playing at about the same time at Rod Laver.

And my girl Lindsay will be playing too at Margaret Court. I think this is pretty insulting for an ex-champ. while Justine & Dani will be playing in Vondofone.

ferrerogrrl
01-11-2003, 08:38 AM
Originally posted by Rebecca
I've always had an internal feeling that Ferrero might be the next Corretja. I could elaborate, but I think it's obvious where I am going with that.

Aaah! No! No. . . Juan Carlos must be better than Alex and Carlos and. . .he has to fulfill his destiny as the greatest Spanish player ever! Or I will never forgive him (though I might still have his kids ;) :p ).

vaiva
01-11-2003, 10:42 AM
"Watched" the Sydney final. Some short comments (I know you are dying to know what happened).

To start with, they started to broadcast the match earlier as the skiing race in Estonia was cancelled due to severe cold (and Estonia is the neighbouring country to Lithuania so you can imagine what kind of winter we are having :o). I picked it during the set 2, watched for some time and then the signal got lost :mad: and the picture reappeared in mid set 3.

But you guys won't like reading this :mad:

I think JC played a poor match. No agression in his shots - as if he was waiting for Lee to start making mistakes or choke. JC's body language was also quite negative (head and shoulders down). I don't think he had any confidence this final was for him to take (did not look like world No. 4 playing a qualifier with no titles to his name :( )

Anyway, what happened to his FH? It was missing big time in the match. I would not be surprised to learn that Lee hit more FH winners than JC. :rolleyes:

He was coming to the net quite often. Not with too much success, I must say. Lee hit too many passing shots and won many points when JC was at the net. Does that ring any bell?

The general trend of the match - the play was too wavy by JC. There were moments when he was serving and returning just horribly, missing the lines and corners by a good 0.5 metre and regularly finding the net :mad:. He also had some brilliant moments and inspired play (his inconsistency somehow reminded me of Marat in this match :o)

Can it be that he has some problems with conditioning? I'm not sure. But something is/was definitely wrong with him and it looked like he struggled to control his body at times.

Last, he looked really broken-hearted and lonely sitting in the chair after the match ended. Sorry for bad news.

BTW, I'm no tennis expert. You guys have to hope that I got it all wrong ;)

Francine
01-11-2003, 10:57 AM
:fiery: I just finished watching the final (don't know why I tortured myself, since I already knew he lost before the even started broadcasting) and I hate to break it to you all, but this was a classical 'Juan Carlos loses to himself again' match. I didn't see the 1st set, but I take that he played pretty well then. He was a break down in the 2nd and came back to take it to a tiebreak, in which he made a really, really, really big error at 6-7 to hand Lee the set. He leaded the 3rd set 3-0, then he managed to hit 3 doublefaults in one game and let Lee come back in the match again. At 5-4 he had a matchpoint on Lee's serve and a chance to hit a passing shot, but he hit it in the net. In the last tiebreak he made about 4 unforced errors in a row and totally gave it away.

It seems to me that whenever he plays a few bad points in a row he gets down and doesn't get up again. After he lost his servicegame in the 3rd set he was really angry with himself and after that matchpoint he messed up he just seemed to loose all faith and messed up the tiebreak as well. He needs to work on that, cause this kind of behaviour (anger, showing his dissapointment so obviously) only makes his opponent stronger.

Anyway, I don't think he'll win in Australia, but he can do very well, he had a bad run on clay last year (except for MC) before RG and he did well there as well. (Ok, not to me as a fan, but to an impartial person) And a final is always better then losing in the 1st round.

ILR
01-11-2003, 11:37 AM
:wavey:

I have a feeling there are lots of pages!:eek:;)

ILR
01-11-2003, 11:50 AM
I see Juanqui lost last night :( I know how you all feel when it comes to faves losing,not only Rogi this week but Liverpool havent won a league games since November and only a few more matches in the FA Cup and Uefa Cup.It is desperately disappointing :sad: but today it might change ;):p So I know how sad you all must feel.

Anyway,might not be here that long,Im going to visit my grandma,auntie and cousin :)

Layla
01-11-2003, 11:52 AM
Morning everyone! :wavey:

And a sad morning it is. :sad::sad::sad: I didn't take this loss well either. I was ill at ease throughout the match. I was having breakfast but I couldn't even eat beause my stomach was churning. At the end I was actually shaking and began to cry. :sad:

HOWEVER... and this is important. I have to disagree with Zosse and Francine to a point, although I agree with most of their comments. I watched the whole match (they only skipped a few unimportant comfortable service games).

It don't think it was a mental problem at all. The problem was that he just wasn't playing well on the day. All players experience that. You come out on the court and nothing is working as it should. It's an off-day so to speak. In this case, Juanqui's forehand really let him down. It happens sometimes, although rarely. And when it happens he usually doesn't win, so I was sort of prepared that he wouldn't take this title when he I saw some of his wild FH shots. So given the mediocre level of tennis he played from the start, Juanqui actually did well to stay in it for as long as he did, because Lee played very well indeed. It only shows his MENTAL STRENGTH really, the fact that he managed to win the first set and that he even earned himself a matchpoint at all. He didn't give up, he just continued fighting like a lion even though he knew he was playing badly. I admire him for that.

My arguments for this statement:

He did NOT play the first set well. Lee had a very shaky beginning, losing his first service game. He made 4 UEs in the first 2 games. Juanqui didn't have to do much to get a 2-0 advantage. The big turning point occured when JC had 2 break points for double-break lead and he played them very badly, so he allowed Lee to relax a little and compose himself. After that Lee was on fire and Juanqui was just determined. JC had to save break-back points a few times in the set and it was a very, very tight set that JC was actually lucky to have won in the first place. The score 6-4 may not suggest this, but if it hadn't been for that awful opening game by Lee, he would've won the first set as well.

In the 2nd set, even though it was terrible to watch, Juanqui really showed what he's made of. He saved 7 SET POINTS. The first one when Lee was up 5-2 on JC's serve. Then in the next game at 5-3, Lee raced to a 40-0 lead on his own serve and had 3 comfortable set points which Juanqui played very well by staying solid and Lee just went for too much. So it was quite a feat for Juanqui to force the set into a tie-break in the first place. Again, Lee was leading in the tie-break. Got to 6-3 and had 3 more set points. JC saved 2 with excellent serving and thans saved the one on Lee's serve to bring it back to 6-6. On Lee's 8th set point Juanqui finally broke down. So it's not like he handed Lee the set. It was rightfully Lee's from the start and JC just did very well to grit his teeth and hang in there.

In the beginning of the first set, Juanqui had to save BPs again, but then actually managed to race to a 3-0 lead. But he had to work very, very hard to get to that score (they were looong games). And then everything went to hell. My guess is he lost concentration for a bit. After fighting so hard against the odds, he felt he could relax for a moment and that was a crucial mistake. He played a lousy game on Lee's service, then he played a real shocker! Perhaps the worst game I've ever seen him play. He hit 3 double faults in one game and lost his advantage. At 6-5 he actually set up a match point, though not on his serve. And he nearly made it. That cross-court FH would have been a winner but he just missed it and it clipped the net. It's not like he hit the middle or bottom of the net like that article suggests. He really didn't miss by much. And THAT crushed him. He collapsed on the floor and just sat there for a while. After that he played like shit. The beginning of the tie-break was just appalling, he was swining some wild shots that missed the line by a mile and Lee was in the lead again. HOWEVER, he regrouped and served 2 aces or service winners (I forget), so it's not like he gave up on the idea of winning. He was still in there fighting. At 6-4, Lee's first match point, they played a long game and Juanqui hung in there until he finally hit another one of his wild forehands and lost.

My point is, he didn't have a bad mental attitude and he doesn't urgently need a sports psychiatrist. If it wasn't for his mental fortitude, he would've lost in 2 easy sets. Sure he looked upset with himself when he missed a shot, but that's what he always does. Sure he never looked like the winner of that match but that's because his tennis wasn't up to scratch, not because he mentally gave up. This was NOT another RG final, trust me on that. He had a few wild patches but he always REGROUPED, and pretty quickly at that. He put the bad shots behind him and hit some brilliant passes of serves when it mattered the most. He NEVER stopped fighting.

Leo, this really wasn't the case of choking. You can continue to think he choked every time he loses but HE DID NOT CHOKE TODAY! I can say that with a 100% certainty. Well, it depends on how you define choking, but if your definition is so broad, then you can safely say that everyone chokes everytime they lose. Juanqui was never in any sort of comfortable lead to be even in the position to choke.

Let's not forget this is tennis. Yes, he lost to a qualifier but that's not humiliating. On a given day, anything can happen. There are no givens.

ILR
01-11-2003, 12:02 PM
Layla :wavey:

sorry you still feel so bad :kiss: If it was just a matter of him playing bad for one game,you are right,anything can happen and can he be forgiven for losing one match,even though it was a loss to a qualifier.Thats how sport goes,and stranger things have happened.It is very upsetting when someone or a team you love so deeply have a bad run,have a bad game etc but these things happen and you have to accpet it however hard it may be.

Layla
01-11-2003, 12:07 PM
Originally posted by Leo7

with so many players injured and out of form, this could be Ferrero's best chance to win a Slam all year long. and if he doesn't take it...

Oh Leo. :( I wish you didn't set yourself up for disappointment like that, because you will end up hating Juanqui and that would really make me sad. :sad:

Juanqui has NEVER been a favorite to win AO and he isn't one now, even though come players are injured. Sure, he has chances to win it and I do believe he can do it, but you may be asking too much from him. I don't really expect him to win. It wouldn't be such a tragedy if he didn't win it and it certainly would be humiliating or anything like that. How many top seeds were out by Wednesday or Thursday last year, or in Wimbledon. Whoever wants to ridicule Juanqui or any other top player because they didn't win a slam is just ignorant. People can talk shit all they want, I know the strenghts and weaknesses of my favorite player.

Layla
01-11-2003, 12:17 PM
Originally posted by IluvRogi
Layla :wavey:

sorry you still feel so bad :kiss: If it was just a matter of him playing bad for one game,you are right,anything can happen and can he be forgiven for losing one match,even though it was a loss to a qualifier.Thats how sport goes,and stranger things have happened.It is very upsetting when someone or a team you love so deeply have a bad run,have a bad game etc but these things happen and you have to accpet it however hard it may be.

Hi Emma! :wavey:

Yes, I agree with you completely. That's exactly what I was trying to convey with my post. It happens. I have calmed down considerably since then.

Fellow Juanqui fans, please remember where he was last year at the same time. He was injured and wasn't even able to play in the AO. He had a horrible beginning of the year right until Monte Carlo. This is a huge improvement. To start the year by actually reaching a final straight away is nothing short of brilliant and we should really be celebrating. His rankings can go only up. ;) Like Dissident said, this is much better than I expected, so there's really no need to be worried about Juanqui at all.

I would just like to say: CONGRATS JUANQUI ON A GREAT TOURNAMENT! :kiss::kiss::kiss:

And I really don't think Juanqui is the next Corretja. He's too much of a fighter for that AND he's been consistently in the top 10 if not top 5 for 2 or 3 years now (if I'm not mistaken). I'm not familiar with Corretja's stats but I doubt he can claim the same at any point in his career.

ILR
01-11-2003, 12:21 PM
Layla,glad I helped you out there because I knew exactly what you meant :)He has done well to reach a final in this tourny even though he did not win it and must look forward to the AO.He doesnt really have that much pressure,all the pressure is on Hewitt being World Number 1 and this GS being in his homeland.So Juanqui should go out there and enjoy it but get as far as he possibly can at the same time ;)

Layla
01-11-2003, 12:24 PM
Yeah, I have only one wish regarding AO. That Juanqui win his first match and give me a nice birthday present. ;) I'd hate to be miserable on my own birthday.

LOL, I love the way Raul looks at me from your avatar. :D That's just brilliant.

How are you today? Are you all mended now? ;)

ILR
01-11-2003, 12:28 PM
:D hope he wins for you on your birthday,which happens to be on the same day as one of my friends incidentally.

Raul looking at you?:confused: last time I checked,he was looking at me!:p Nice though :hearts:

Yes,I am all mended,its strange sometimes I can be quite bad one day then the next few days it can clear up mysteriously.But Im good now thanks :)

Layla
01-11-2003, 12:31 PM
Glad you're feeling good. :) I'm watching ski-jumping at the moment but I really should be working. :o I need to write the last of the horoscopes this weekend so I can take time off on my birthday when I will apparently be watching tennis all day. ;)

ILR
01-11-2003, 12:34 PM
:) thanks.lol apparently watching tennis all day.Lucky you,I have school :( Ill be sending my vibes all the way to Australia from wherever I am.Work :o I have to cut down on my internet time soon :( Hopefully not much ;)

Layla
01-11-2003, 12:46 PM
No, hopefully not too much. :( I have to go back to work now. Talk to you later! :wavey:

ILR
01-11-2003, 12:47 PM
yeah hopefully not too much :) I have to go now anyway.Talk soon :wavey:

vaiva
01-11-2003, 01:58 PM
Hey Layla :wavey:

How's your computer doing? Nothing serious, I hope?

vaiva
01-11-2003, 02:09 PM
Layla,

I think you misunderstood me. I was not saying that JC choked. I finished my post questioning that his poor performance may be related with his poor conditioning. He looked to me tired as if he had used all of his physical resources and was running on empty in the Sydney final. And again, this is just my hypothesis.

I must say that I do not agree that he played well on important points. He had a match point, handn't he? :mad: However, I don't want to get into discussion where I am not competent (never played tennis myself). Besides, you know your favourite player much better than I do.

Another thing why he reminded me of Marat is the fact that he is losing matches when he is not at his best. Just like Marat. But the Potato, for instance, somehow manages to get a win even when he is playing badly :fiery:. This is what really pisses me off.

Layla
01-11-2003, 02:48 PM
Hi Zosse! :wavey:

LOL, I'm no more competent than you are (I don't play either), so please, discuss away! That's what we're here for.

I think I understood you, I actually agreed with most of what you said, except the point that he was negative, because I don't think he was any more negative then he usually is. And to me he didn't look tired, so I don't think it was physical conditioning either, but it could be. He himself apparently said that he wasn't tired at all, but he also said he had many chances to win and he didn't. :p

I don't think it's so terrible if he showed disappointment after missing match point. I mean which player wouldn't show some disappointment after missing a match point in a tight match like this by less than half an inch? He'd have to be inhuman not to show any sign of emotion. Showing disappointment is natural. Showing the opponent that you don't believe you can win anymore (like Lindsay sometimes) is the real problem and I honestly don't think he did that. The way he was fighting made it clear he thought he had a good chance. But that's just my opinion. ;)

When I argued about choking I didn't mean you. I was talking to Leo who was saying he choked again like all his fans. I know you didn't say he choked. ;)

You're right about the comparison with Marat in terms of losing matches when playing badly. Now that is real feat. I wonder how Lleyton does it. He must be that more dogged than anyone else I supposed and of course mentally he is miles above anyone else.

vaiva
01-11-2003, 03:15 PM
Good, so I just can throw various arguments at you without being afraid to be called down :D j/k

Seriously, I was trying to find a justified reason of his patchy performance. But Sydney tournament is over. End of story. Let's hope JCF has in him this little birthday present reserved for you :)

ILR
01-11-2003, 03:21 PM
:wavey:

back again,so soon I know ;) but its saturday afternoon and have no other plans or much else to do as of yet.

Layla
01-11-2003, 03:52 PM
Welcome back Emma! :wavey: ;)

I'm watching the women's final on Eurosport right now. :D They both look so fit. :)

Leo7
01-11-2003, 03:52 PM
Originally posted by Lee


And my girl Lindsay will be playing too at Margaret Court. I think this is pretty insulting for an ex-champ. while Justine & Dani will be playing in Vondofone.

i don't think Lindsay ever gets the respect she deserves, so i'm not surprised with her having to play on Margaret Court stadium. :rolleyes:

ILR
01-11-2003, 03:54 PM
Hi Layla and Leo :wavey:

thanks for that Layla,I didnt know that the final was on!:D Im watching it now also!And I added another poem to my collection at long last!

Layla
01-11-2003, 03:55 PM
Originally posted by zosse
Good, so I just can throw various arguments at you without being afraid to be called down :D j/k

Seriously, I was trying to find a justified reason of his patchy performance. But Sydney tournament is over. End of story. Let's hope JCF has in him this little birthday present reserved for you :)

Sure Zosse, you can throw any argument at me. ;)

In the end, I don't think there's a logical reason for his performance. I'd call it Juan Carlos Ferrero's Day Off and leave it at that. ;)

ILR
01-11-2003, 03:56 PM
Originally posted by Layla
Sure Zosse, you can throw any argument at me. ;)

In the end, I don't think there's a logical reason for his performance. I'd call it Juan Carlos Ferrero's Day Off and leave it at that. ;)

which of course in a whole year nearly,I guess he's at least allowed a few ;)

Layla
01-11-2003, 04:02 PM
Originally posted by IluvRogi
which of course in a whole year nearly,I guess he's at least allowed a few ;)

He sure is. ;) Otherwise I'd have to report us to the Committee Against Cruelty To Tennis Players. ;);):D

LOL, great job on your poem! :) I hope Rogi reads them.

ILR
01-11-2003, 04:05 PM
good ;) Im glad you are allowing him a few days :p and you wouldnt report yourself anyway would you ;)

Thanks :) I lack ideas for poems sometimes lol any ideas would be welcome ;)

Leo7
01-11-2003, 04:06 PM
Originally posted by Layla
Yeah, I have only one wish regarding AO. That Juanqui win his first match and give me a nice birthday present. ;) I'd hate to be miserable on my own birthday.

LOL, I love the way Raul looks at me from your avatar. :D That's just brilliant.

How are you today? Are you all mended now? ;)

oops, did i ever say happy birthday to Layla?

happy belated birthday :bounce:

ILR
01-11-2003, 04:08 PM
belated?:o doesnt belated mean late?Its ionly Jan 11!

Layla
01-11-2003, 04:08 PM
Hi Leo! :wavey:

LOL, my birthday is on Monday January 13th, the day AO begins. ;) :D

Layla
01-11-2003, 04:10 PM
Originally posted by IluvRogi
good ;) Im glad you are allowing him a few days :p and you wouldnt report yourself anyway would you ;)

Thanks :) I lack ideas for poems sometimes lol any ideas would be welcome ;)

Haha, you'd be surprised. I would turn myself in in a blink of an eye. ;)

Have you written a song about Raul yet? Or about Wes and his kid? How about a song about today's final?

ILR
01-11-2003, 04:12 PM
lol!:p it is suprising you'd turn yourself in ;)

Maybe I could write about some of those things :) nice ideas,Ill have to work on them soon ;)

Leo7
01-11-2003, 04:15 PM
oops, Layla. i thought you said your birthday already happened last monday. i'm not fully awake yet. :o

Layla
01-11-2003, 04:16 PM
That's ok Leo. ;) What are you doing on your day off?

ILR
01-11-2003, 04:18 PM
lol Leo :kiss: I know how you feel,I hate mornings!

Leo7
01-11-2003, 04:18 PM
Originally posted by Layla
Oh Leo. :( I wish you didn't set yourself up for disappointment like that, because you will end up hating Juanqui and that would really make me sad. :sad:

Juanqui has NEVER been a favorite to win AO and he isn't one now, even though come players are injured. Sure, he has chances to win it and I do believe he can do it, but you may be asking too much from him. I don't really expect him to win. It wouldn't be such a tragedy if he didn't win it and it certainly would be humiliating or anything like that. How many top seeds were out by Wednesday or Thursday last year, or in Wimbledon. Whoever wants to ridicule Juanqui or any other top player because they didn't win a slam is just ignorant. People can talk shit all they want, I know the strenghts and weaknesses of my favorite player.

don't take anything i posted last night seriously. i was in a pissy mood and very negative.. still am actually.

Leo7
01-11-2003, 04:20 PM
Originally posted by Layla
That's ok Leo. ;) What are you doing on your day off?

i'll be studying for most of the day. i have midterm exams coming up in about a week (how about you, Emma?) and i there is sooo much information we need to know. i'm really scared about the chemistry exam. :eek:

Layla
01-11-2003, 04:21 PM
Originally posted by Leo7
don't take anything i posted last night seriously. i was in a pissy mood and very negative.. still am actually.

Ok, as long as you don't hate Juanqui. ;) He needs our love now.

*sending some sweet lovin' to Juanqui* :angel:

Hope you feel better soon Leo. *hugs*

ILR
01-11-2003, 04:21 PM
well Leo,I do have an IT exam on Wednesday and a PE one also which count towards my GCSE's which are exams that determine my college place and courses etc.But most of my exams are in June

Leo7
01-11-2003, 04:22 PM
oh, i could never hate Juanqui. i think he's just testing his fans' loyalty. ;)

Leo7
01-11-2003, 04:24 PM
Originally posted by IluvRogi
well Leo,I do have an IT exam on Wednesday and a PE one also which count towards my GCSE's which are exams that determine my college place and courses etc.But most of my exams are in June

oh yeah, we have final exams in May/June also. those are even more painful than the midterms. :rolleyes:

Layla
01-11-2003, 04:25 PM
Originally posted by Leo7
i'll be studying for most of the day. i have midterm exams coming up in about a week (how about you, Emma?) and i there is sooo much information we need to know. i'm really scared about the chemistry exam. :eek:

Eugh, studying. *shudder* Will you be able to follow AO at all? :( Don't worry about the chemistry exam. You're gonna nail it. I can tell. ;) I'm a psychic you know. :angel:

ILR
01-11-2003, 04:26 PM
painful isnt the word!:eek::sad: They are so important these days to my future.You're exactly the same as me,one of the youngest in the school year!

Leo7
01-11-2003, 04:31 PM
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20030111/capt.1042277420australia_sydney_international_hom1 08.jpg

:bounce:

Leo7
01-11-2003, 04:32 PM
Clijsters Wins Sydney tennis Title
January 11, 2003

SYDNEY (Ticker) - Showing she is a top contender for next week's Australian Open, second-seeded Kim Clijsters beat No. 6 Lindsay Davenport in straight sets to win the adidas International on Saturday.

On the men's side, Korean qualifier Hyung-Taik Lee saved a match point against second seed Juan Carlos Ferrero to capture his first career ATP title with a 4-6, 7-6 (8-6), 7-6 (7-4) victory in the final of the $932,000 hardcourt tennis event.

Clijsters dispatched Davenport, 6-4, 6-3, to claim her 11th career title. She has won 19 of her last 20 matches dating to a semifinal loss to Anastasia Myskina at Leipzig in September. Since that defeat, Clijsters won at Filderstadt, Luxembourg, the year-ending event in Los Angeles and here.

The 19-year-old Belgian hopes she can continue her momentum into next week, when the season's first Grand Slam begins. As the fourth seed, she takes on American Samantha Reeves in the first round.

"It's always nice, it can't go any better," said Clijsters, who earned $93,000. "It's always tough to focus back on that first match (at the next tournament) because you're probably still on a roll from playing quarters, semis and then all of a sudden it starts all over again. You don't really get a lot of time to enjoy (the win) before such a big tournament."

Davenport, the 1999 winner who was playing her sixth final in her last eight appearances in Sydney, lost to Clijsters for only the fourth time in 10 encounters.

"(Clijsters) is a lot more consistent and a lot more confident, and a lot of times in this game, confidence is kind of what you need to get you over the hump of being a semifinalist or quarterfinals to being winner," the American said. "You could just tell, the way she plays now. Break point down or the big points, she's so confident in her shots, and you can really tell it in the shots she comes up with. She's always been very talented and very athletic. I think now she's very consistent and confident."

A year to the day on Saturday, Davenport underwent arthroscopic knee surgery. She spent nine weeks on crutches and underwent intensive rehabilitation before returning to action in mid-July 2002. The 26-year-old American is 28-10 since her return, reaching five finals without winning a title.

"I felt like this is the week I needed, a lot of matches," said Davenport, who was looking to win her 38th title. "I don't worry about the losses too much. There's definitely some things in my game that I need to improve on. My first serve percentage here has been pretty bad. I'd like to be a little bit more aggressive and consistent on the returns. But that's the kind of stuff that clicks on one day and can help me go far in the next two weeks."

ILR
01-11-2003, 04:34 PM
nice pic Leo :) and Layla,I wrote about Raul ;)

Leo7
01-11-2003, 04:37 PM
Kimmy won the doubles title with Ai Sugiyama too. :)

Layla
01-11-2003, 04:37 PM
Originally posted by IluvRogi
nice pic Leo :) and Layla,I wrote about Raul ;)

OMG, you're fast! :eek: Great poem. :D He is indeed a delight for my old eyes.

Leo7
01-11-2003, 04:38 PM
Originally posted by Layla
Eugh, studying. *shudder* Will you be able to follow AO at all? :( Don't worry about the chemistry exam. You're gonna nail it. I can tell. ;) I'm a psychic you know. :angel:

i'm sure i'll squeeze in some time for the Aussie Open. i have off on monday and friday during midterm week (the 2nd week of the AO), which gives me more time to watch all the tennis (and study if i still need to).

ILR
01-11-2003, 04:39 PM
I know,it seems to come to me straight away if you give me a topic ;) He is a delight for my young eyes also :D

ILR
01-11-2003, 04:41 PM
you have monday and friday off?I dont have any more days off for 5 weeks!:sad: But usually highlights,lengthy ones are shown in the afternoon and at night :) I might get to see some live matches.

Leo7
01-11-2003, 04:45 PM
oh you poor dear. no more breaks for 5 weeks? well maybe you'll get a snow day ;)

ILR
01-11-2003, 04:47 PM
yep,no days off for 5 weeks :( not even study leave!:p snow days I seriously doubt that!I dont think it will snow now,I have a feeling.

Layla
01-11-2003, 04:48 PM
Originally posted by IluvRogi
you have monday and friday off?I dont have any more days off for 5 weeks!:sad: But usually highlights,lengthy ones are shown in the afternoon and at night :) I might get to see some live matches.

Oh poor Emma. :sad: Can't you tape the matches and watch them later?

ILR
01-11-2003, 04:50 PM
I guess I could tape them but I would stuggle to find the time to watch them all.I have to persuade my dad and brother to lend me the TV all night,every night for 2 weeks!;)

ILR
01-11-2003, 04:58 PM
:wavey:

back in a min,Im going to eat!

Layla
01-11-2003, 05:02 PM
I'm sure they'd give in if you asked nicely. ;) Bye! :wavey:

Leo7
01-11-2003, 05:06 PM
:wavey: Emma.

you can see my name 4 times on the leader-board for atpworld pacman. :D but my highest rank is only 15. god i'm becoming addicted to this stupid arcade game.

ILR
01-11-2003, 05:12 PM
back :)

Maybe if I paid them they would give it up!:(;)Im sure if me and my mum ganged up on them,they'd give in!I tried my luck on snake but er,:o well Im not that good at the moment!

Layla
01-11-2003, 05:20 PM
You and your mom should definitely try Emma. :) Snake? :eek: Did someone say snake? :eek::eek::eek: EEEEEEEEEEEEK! *runs away screaming*

ILR
01-11-2003, 05:22 PM
I think we'll try ;) yes snake :p on arcade :) I dont mind snakes as long as they are in a glass cage and I dont have to hold them ;)

Lee
01-11-2003, 05:23 PM
Hi Layla, Leo & Emma! :wavey:

Layla, it's been ages since we were here at the same time.

ILR
01-11-2003, 05:25 PM
Hi Lee :wavey:

Leo7
01-11-2003, 05:31 PM
well i have to go everybody. :wavey: au revoir.

btw, i have #12 in Pacman now. god, i'm such a dork. :o

ILR
01-11-2003, 05:32 PM
bye Leo :wavey::kiss:

dorks rule!:p;)

Lee
01-11-2003, 05:33 PM
Bye Leo! :wavey:

Don't have much time to chat here. I am the Laundry and Cleaning lady today.

Just try to browse through the posts.

*hug* to Layla, but you seems to feel better now.

Emma, best wishes to your boys and have your cold go away?

Lee
01-11-2003, 05:36 PM
Originally posted by IluvRogi
back :)

Maybe if I paid them they would give it up!:(;)Im sure if me and my mum ganged up on them,they'd give in!I tried my luck on snake but er,:o well Im not that good at the moment!

Vince is pretty good at playing snake on my cell phone too! :D :D

ILR
01-11-2003, 05:36 PM
Lee,my cold appears to have gone yes :) but as for my boys ;) well no,a disappointing 1-1 draw at home today,slidding down to 7th in the league.In the game today,we gave a penalty away it was Sami!:( I shall have to judge later ;) But Layla will be glad to know Michael Owen has shaken off his injury and scored today :bounce:

ILR
01-11-2003, 05:37 PM
Originally posted by Lee
Vince is pretty good at playing snake on my cell phone too! :D :D

Im quite good at playing it on my phone,but on here :o well Im not the best,I need a little practice first ;)

Layla
01-11-2003, 05:38 PM
Hi Lee! :wavey:

It sure has. Great to see you. :) Actually I don't have a lot of time to chat either, I'm still trying to work. ;)

Thanks for the hug. :) I am indeed feeling much better and I've put the final behind me. But hopefully you won't need a hug today when Guga wins. ;)

Layla
01-11-2003, 05:40 PM
Originally posted by IluvRogi
I think we'll try ;) yes snake :p on arcade :) I dont mind snakes as long as they are in a glass cage and I dont have to hold them ;)

lol, I thought you wanted a snake as a pet. :eek: Glad to hear my assumption was wrong. :p I enjoy watching them too but I don't like it when they surprise me in the woods.

ILR
01-11-2003, 05:41 PM
Originally posted by Layla
lol, I thought you wanted a snake as a pet. :eek: Glad to hear my assumption was wrong. :p I enjoy watching them too but I don't like it when they surprise me in the woods.

lol!Oh no I wouldnt never want one as a pet!A lad I know does have a snake as a pet aswel as lizards :eek:

Layla
01-11-2003, 05:42 PM
Originally posted by IluvRogi

But Layla will be glad to know Michael Owen has shaken off his injury and scored today :bounce:

He has? Alright! :bounce: A kiss for my darling! :kiss: Did they win?

Lee
01-11-2003, 05:42 PM
Originally posted by Layla
Hi Lee! :wavey:

It sure has. Great to see you. :) Actually I don't have a lot of time to chat either, I'm still trying to work. ;)

Thanks for the hug. :) I am indeed feeling much better and I've put the final behind me. But hopefully you won't need a hug today when Guga wins. ;)

Thanks! I am confident he will come thru but the h2h with Dominic is an unbelievable 0-2. :eek: :eek:

ILR
01-11-2003, 05:43 PM
;) he did but no we didnt win,we drew 1-1 :( which was quite disappointing to be honest.

Layla
01-11-2003, 05:43 PM
Originally posted by Lee
Vince is pretty good at playing snake on my cell phone too! :D :D

See, I don't even know what snake is. :o

ILR
01-11-2003, 05:44 PM
Originally posted by Layla
See, I don't even know what snake is. :o

awww lol,its a game where this snake well thing has to eat the food to get bigger.You have to direct it to the food so to speak but cant crash into the walls or its own tail.It sounds terribly complicated but its not.Check it out on arcade :)

Layla
01-11-2003, 05:45 PM
Originally posted by Lee
Thanks! I am confident he will come thru but the h2h with Dominic is an unbelievable 0-2. :eek: :eek:

That particular head to head is about to change. :p I'm not a huge fan of Hrbaty, so I'm cheering for Guga even more ardently.

Lee
01-11-2003, 05:45 PM
Originally posted by IluvRogi
lol!Oh no I wouldnt never want one as a pet!A lad I know does have a snake as a pet aswel as lizards :eek:

Here, we live with rattle snake and scorpion. In Vince school, the plant manager and PE teacher (since they are the only 2 guys in the whole school) have to check the school ground for these before the school open, recess and end of day, poor guys!

Layla
01-11-2003, 05:47 PM
Originally posted by IluvRogi
;) he did but no we didnt win,we drew 1-1 :( which was quite disappointing to be honest.

Awwww. :sad: So they're still not invincible? :(

ILR
01-11-2003, 05:47 PM
a rattle snake and scorpion?:eek: thats scary!

Lee
01-11-2003, 05:48 PM
Originally posted by Layla
That particular head to head is about to change. :p I'm not a huge fan of Hrbaty, so I'm cheering for Guga even more ardently.

Thanks! Guga is in his form now and he is pretty confident. :D :D

ILR
01-11-2003, 05:48 PM
Originally posted by Layla
Awwww. :sad: So they're still not invincible? :(

anything but, Im afraid :sad:

Lee
01-11-2003, 05:52 PM
Originally posted by IluvRogi
a rattle snake and scorpion?:eek: thats scary!

I not yet have the chance to face a rattle snake but I did have a dead baby snake in my back yard. (Thand God it's hubby found it) My guess it's caught by a falcon but somehow the bird dropped it. I did have a baby scorpion in my house one morning and I jumped and screamed (this is in front of Vince and very embarrassing), of cos, it's hubby's duty to squash it. Vince is now pretty well trained in school in how to handle rattle snake and scropion when encounter one.

ILR
01-11-2003, 05:54 PM
Originally posted by Lee
I not yet have the chance to face a rattle snake but I did have a dead baby snake in my back yard. (Thand God it's hubby found it) My guess it's caught by a falcon but somehow the bird dropped it. I did have a baby scorpion in my house one morning and I jumped and screamed (this is in front of Vince and very embarrassing), of cos, it's hubby's duty to squash it. Vince is now pretty well trained in school in how to handle rattle snake and scropion when encounter one.

wow :eek: thats really scary.Im now ashamed to think I jump when I see spiders :o I really dont like them,even the smallest ones.

Lee
01-11-2003, 05:54 PM
Originally posted by IluvRogi
anything but, Im afraid :sad:

*hug* Emma! I missed the days of Liverpool when Kevin Keegan was still a player. LOL, how old I sound here?

Layla
01-11-2003, 05:56 PM
Originally posted by Lee
Here, we live with rattle snake and scorpion. In Vince school, the plant manager and PE teacher (since they are the only 2 guys in the whole school) have to check the school ground for these before the school open, recess and end of day, poor guys!

:eek: I think I would develop agoraphobia rather quickly in your parts. :(

ILR
01-11-2003, 05:58 PM
lol Lee,thanks :) The good old days of kevin Keegan huh?;)well yes,I wish for the dominance which came with those days :p or even just a league title!Mind you Kevin Keegan is still knocking around as a manager in the Premiership these days ;)

Layla
01-11-2003, 06:00 PM
That's why I'm always slightly uncomfortable during my summer vacation at the seaside. There are some black widow spiders and they can be deadly, especially since the nearest hospital is quite far away.

Lee
01-11-2003, 06:03 PM
Originally posted by IluvRogi
lol Lee,thanks :) The good old days of kevin Keegan huh?;)well yes,I wish for the dominance which came with those days :p or even just a league title!Mind you Kevin Keegan is still knocking around as a manager in the Premiership these days ;)

Thanks for the info of Kevin. He is my absolute fav. in those good old days! :D :D It was such a joy watching him speeding down the right wing.......... Which team he manage and is he good?

ILR
01-11-2003, 06:04 PM
speaking of deadly spiders,my cousin who lives in Australia was bitten by a spider of some kind,the name escapes me and he had to be taken to hospital.They said if they had waited much longer to bring him in,then he could have died. :eek:

Lee
01-11-2003, 06:06 PM
Originally posted by Layla
:eek: I think I would develop agoraphobia rather quickly in your parts. :(

Don't worry! It's just that I lived in the pretty rural parts in Scottsdale and so as Vince school. Most of the houses in my area still can have a stable in their land. I always saw people riding a horse or an ATV near Vince school. :D

Lee
01-11-2003, 06:08 PM
In Canada and North America, there are many cases that people find a black widow spider in the grapes they bought from supermarket, so, sometimes, there is no where to hide. :D :D

Grapes are mainly import from Chile here.

ILR
01-11-2003, 06:08 PM
Originally posted by Lee
Thanks for the info of Kevin. He is my absolute fav. in those good old days! :D :D It was such a joy watching him speeding down the right wing.......... Which team he manage and is he good?

Kevin Keegan is now the manager of Manchester City,great rivals of Man Utd,along with every other team in the country ;) He is doing very well indeed.Last year he won Division one and won promotion to the premiership and they currently lie in 8th position.Here he is as manager looking on!

Layla
01-11-2003, 06:09 PM
Horses! :D Now there's an animal I can relate too. ;)

ILR
01-11-2003, 06:10 PM
Originally posted by Lee
In Canada and North America, there are many cases that people find a black widow spider in the grapes they bought from supermarket, so, sometimes, there is no where to hide. :D :D

Grapes are mainly import from Chile here.

That reminds me of a story on the news.A woman found 2 spiders in her bunch of bananas she had bought and they were still alive.It shows how rare this kind of thing is in England to make the news!

Lee
01-11-2003, 06:10 PM
Thanks for the pic Emma! He still look great!

I better get my butt out of my computer, otherwise, there will be no clean clothes in this house!

Au revoir! :wavey:

ILR
01-11-2003, 06:12 PM
lol no problem Lee!goodbye!:wavey:

Lee
01-11-2003, 06:12 PM
Originally posted by Layla
Horses! :D Now there's an animal I can relate too. ;)

Then, you'll love it here! See, there is tennis and horse riding and I don't know whether you're into golf since you never mention it.

Pulling my butt off computer

Layla
01-11-2003, 06:12 PM
Originally posted by Lee
In Canada and North America, there are many cases that people find a black widow spider in the grapes they bought from supermarket, so, sometimes, there is no where to hide. :D :D

Grapes are mainly import from Chile here.

:eek: Yet more shocking revelations! I can't imagine discovering black widow spiders in grapes. Just the thought of it makes me not eat grapes for the rest of my life. I suppose you're right. There's nowhere to hide. :(

Chloe le Bopper
01-11-2003, 06:14 PM
Good day...

Just one more negative thought from me (for now) - has anybody else noticed that he's now lost 4 of his last 6 finals? If he ever wants to get to number one, as he ambitiously remarks, he can't have a record like that in finals.

It's that simple...

Chloe le Bopper
01-11-2003, 06:15 PM
I have never found a black widow in my grapes, and would like to keep it that way.


But besides that, BC is great to live. If you come to look for a job, then, you are better off in the East, for sure.

I'm sorry - are you telling me it's easier to get a job out west, or that I'm better off out east? :confused:

We're told that the market is far better out west, than it here.

Layla
01-11-2003, 06:17 PM
Originally posted by Lee
Then, you'll love it here! See, there is tennis and horse riding and I don't know whether you're into golf since you never mention it.

Pulling my butt off computer

No, not into golf at all. But I do love the Arizona desert. (if I can only forget about the snakes and scorpios and spiders). On my trip through the states we slept outside in the desert one night. Actually, I slept on the top of the bus. :D There were a zillion starts and the full moon was so huge it felt like I was sleeping under a street lamp. I loved it!

Bye Lee! :wavey: I should pull my brain towards the horoscopes too. :o

Chloe le Bopper
01-11-2003, 06:19 PM
Bye everyone who is leaving - I'm leaving shortly too :wavey:

ILR
01-11-2003, 06:20 PM
:( It sounds like everyone is leaving!

Layla
01-11-2003, 06:21 PM
Hi Becca! :wavey:

Sure, that's a concern, but I can live with him not being number one in the world, as shocking as that sounds. :o Yeah, it would be great if he made it, but he's not there yet. As long as he's competitive, that's good enough for me. If he pulls a Kiefer, then I'll be worried. ;)

Layla
01-11-2003, 06:26 PM
I mean think about it. Last year we were worrying about him losing in the 2nd round all the time and now we're worrying about him losing in the finals. How can that not be a good thing?

ILR
01-11-2003, 06:41 PM
well at least he is more consistent,which is more that can be said for some players,unfortunately :(

Francine
01-11-2003, 06:49 PM
Hi everyone! I was checking pics from the final and came across this one:

http://home.planet.nl/~kappe095/francine/sidney03.jpg

And uhm.....it kinda reminded me of the disussion that we had once about JC shaving his legs..... :angel:

Anywayzzzz, Layla, to reply to your comments, I didn't see the whole match, so that may given me a different view on things and while watching it I was in a pretty bad mood, cos I already knew he lost. I agree with you that Lee played extremely well, so maybe Juanqui didn't lose to himself after all :) That's what he said himself in the interview as well, btw.

ILR
01-11-2003, 06:52 PM
lol Hi francine :wavey:

his legs do look pretty smooth and hairless!

Francine
01-11-2003, 06:56 PM
:wavey: Don't you think so? Just thought I'd share it with you. I always like it on pro cyclers, but I don't know how to comment on this though....

ILR
01-11-2003, 06:59 PM
I do think so!lol,It seems a bit feminine shaving legs :o but well,I dont know really!

Layla
01-11-2003, 07:02 PM
Hi Francine! :wavey:

Hehe, his legs are so shiny. I wonder what compels him to do that? :confused: Maybe so he can go faster on his motocycle. ;)

Sadly, that's the pic of him collapsing after he missed his only match point. :sad:

Francine
01-11-2003, 07:04 PM
Well, whatever, if it makes him play better he can shave anything. Ahum, ok, I'd like a change of topic now. So how was your day? :angel:

Layla
01-11-2003, 07:10 PM
Lol, ok. First I watched tennis, then I watched a downhill race, then I watched ski jumping, then I watched a biathlon relay and then I watched the women's final (yep, tennis again). That about sums up my day. :D Oh and I tried to work in between but quite unsuccessfully, much like now. I still haven't written a thing since I came here. :(

How was your day?

ILR
01-11-2003, 07:11 PM
:eek: Layla,you still havent written any horrorscopes?You dont need any help do you?:o:angel::p

Layla
01-11-2003, 07:13 PM
Sure I need help. :o Do you know anything about love? ;)

Lee
01-11-2003, 07:13 PM
Not very chatty after I left :D :D

Hi Francine! :wavey:

I prefer men with less body hair so I like Juanqui smoooooth legs more than hairy ones. I just can't stand men looks more like a gorilla.

Lee
01-11-2003, 07:14 PM
Anyway, get my butt back to cleaning and laundry!

ILR
01-11-2003, 07:14 PM
Originally posted by Layla
Sure I need help. :o Do you know anything about love? ;)

Do I know anything about love?:angel: maybe ;)

Francine
01-11-2003, 07:16 PM
Watched tennis, used the internet, watched a really bad movie called 'pay it forward' with that kid from 'the sixth sense' and Kevin Spacey, went ice-skating.

Francine
01-11-2003, 07:16 PM
:wavey: Hi Lee

Lee
01-11-2003, 07:18 PM
Originally posted by xxfrancine
Watched tennis, used the internet, watched a really bad movie called 'pay it forward' with that kid from 'the sixth sense' and Kevin Spacey, went ice-skating.

Kevin Spacey? Which one?

Layla
01-11-2003, 07:18 PM
Originally posted by Lee

I prefer men with less body hair so I like Juanqui smoooooth legs more than hairy ones. I just can't stand men looks more like a gorilla.

LOL. I thought Pete was quite hairy? :confused: ;) I don't mind hair. Depends on the guy really.

ILR
01-11-2003, 07:18 PM
Raul is on my TV!:D :hearts:

Chloe le Bopper
01-11-2003, 07:18 PM
I really wish Ferrero would share his shaving tips with the rest of the world.

Why can't my legs look that shiny?

Chloe le Bopper
01-11-2003, 07:20 PM
Kevin Spacey and Hayley Joel were both in Pay it Forward, so I assume that is the movie that she meant.

Awful movie :fiery:

Layla
01-11-2003, 07:21 PM
Originally posted by xxfrancine
Watched tennis, used the internet, watched a really bad movie called 'pay it forward' with that kid from 'the sixth sense' and Kevin Spacey, went ice-skating.

Ice-skating! :bounce: Sounds like fun. I haven't skated in ages. :(

Eugh! Kevin Spacey is my favorite actor, but Pay It Forward is just awful. A dreadful, dreadful movie that should never have seen the light of day.

Francine
01-11-2003, 07:21 PM
lol@becca, lee, it's called 'pay it forward'and I found it quite boring and the little guy dies in the end when he's only 12 years old, so that doesn't help either.

Chloe le Bopper
01-11-2003, 07:23 PM
Pay it Forward started with a very nice concept.

It had potential.

But they messed up BIG time.

Francine
01-11-2003, 07:23 PM
Originally posted by Layla
Ice-skating! :bounce: Sounds like fun. I haven't skated in ages. :(

Eugh! Kevin Spacey is my favorite actor, but Pay It Forward is just awful. A dreadful, dreadful movie that should never have seen the light of day.

I hadn't done it for ages either, it hasn't been cold enough here the past winters. glad you agree with me on the movie, my little sister and mother found it absolutely fabulous :confused:

Lee
01-11-2003, 07:29 PM
Originally posted by Layla
LOL. I thought Pete was quite hairy? :confused: ;) I don't mind hair. Depends on the guy really.

Pete is someone I admire a lot for his tennis! I never look at him with any romantic feeling at all. I don't notice how hairy he is most of the time since he is not an exhibitionist like AA :D :D.

Guga is more of less the same. I like his personality, his sunny deposition, his manner on tennis court and of course, his tennis. It's weird that my 2 favorite tennis players are so different in style and one is King of clay (sorry all Juanqui fans) and one is King for grass, but as I said, I like the tennis in them.

For the others like Tommy H, Tommy R, Arnaud Clement, etc. their look did take precedence to their tennis somehow.

Talking about Guga, this is the end of the article I post in Guga forum but it did show how confident he is and it show what needs to be in a top player.

Kuerten said about Hrbaty that "I have never beaten him, but we never met in a final before. Finals are very different."

May be Juanqui can learn something from this, that a lesser player can win over you in less important matches, but whenever it really counts, you will always be a better player.

Layla
01-11-2003, 07:29 PM
Originally posted by Rebecca
Pay it Forward started with a very nice concept.

It had potential.

But they messed up BIG time.

Yeah, nice concept, terrible execution. It turned out to be a pathetic tear-jerker and horribly pretentious at that, and I've never seen Kevin Spacey act bady before or since, but I swear he was a third rate actor in this movie. I wished someone did a better movie with that idea and plot. :(

ILR
01-11-2003, 07:29 PM
Friends are very important.They will always be there for you no matter what.Lovers come and go most of the time.If you think you have found the person for you,then that is great but never neglect your friends.You know that your relationship wont work if your lover wont accept or doesnt like your friends and vice versa.If it seems this way talk to them and find out what the problem is.Always remember that you should never drop one for the other,it should be a compromise.If your relationship has been hampered by these problems,well this week is the time to set them straight.Dont be too forcefull with either as you could end up losing both.

ILR
01-11-2003, 07:31 PM
ice skating :o I have been so many times and Im useless :o

Lee
01-11-2003, 07:33 PM
Originally posted by xxfrancine
lol@becca, lee, it's called 'pay it forward'and I found it quite boring and the little guy dies in the end when he's only 12 years old, so that doesn't help either.

I better stay away from that one. I like Kevin since I watched LA confidential, he was great in that movie (may be people will notice Russell Crowe earlier if not for him), somehow I never watch American Beauty although I have it in my hubby's DVD collection. Too bad he did not have any decent movie since he won the Oscar. :(

Francine
01-11-2003, 07:34 PM
Originally posted by IluvRogi
ice skating :o I have been so many times and Im useless :o

Lol, so am I, but I go anyway, on my icehockey skates, you should see me.. And my dad wants to take me on the 10 km long tour, 'to enjoy the nature and fresh air'. He's insane.

Francine
01-11-2003, 07:35 PM
Originally posted by Lee
I better stay away from that one. I like Kevin since I watched LA confidential, he was great in that movie (may be people will notice Russell Crowe earlier if not for him), somehow I never watch American Beauty although I have it in my hubby's DVD collection. Too bad he did not have any decent movie since he won the Oscar. :(

American beauty is a great movie, I've seen it twice and it's brilliant.

Lee
01-11-2003, 07:36 PM
I really addicted to here, don't I? Try this again.

Really pulling my butt away from my computer

Layla
01-11-2003, 07:36 PM
Originally posted by Lee

Talking about Guga, this is the end of the article I post in Guga forum but it did show how confident he is and it show what needs to be in a top player.

Kuerten said about Hrbaty that "I have never beaten him, but we never met in a final before. Finals are very different."

May be Juanqui can learn something from this, that a lesser player can win over you in less important matches, but whenever it really counts, you will always be a better player.

The problem is, Juanqui says that kind of confident stuff all the time, he just doesn't always follow up on it. I actually think he was a bit taken by surprise by how well Lee played so it's possible he was overly confident and underestimated him, thus not playing as aggressively as he should have.

ILR
01-11-2003, 07:37 PM
Ive been so many times with school,and friends and my uncle used to take me and I was really bad :o I was always very slow and never skated that much in the end.The one time I went really fast I ended up falling over and hurting myself!:p

Lee
01-11-2003, 07:42 PM
Originally posted by Layla
The problem is, Juanqui says that kind of confident stuff all the time, he just doesn't always follow up on it. I actually think he was a bit taken by surprise by how well Lee played so it's possible he was overly confident and underestimated him, thus not playing as aggressively as he should have.

I do believe this need experience as Guga described himself as middle ball while Juanqui and Rogi are new balls. At least, Juanqui has the concept, it's just he's able to execute it.

That is one thing that Pete used to able to do, and that's the reason he quite dominates everyone during his era. No wonder that after losing 2 consecutive final in USO, his confidence went down the drain for a while. People looked down upon Bridget (probably becos of her terrible acting skill) but she and Annacone did wonders in Pete having his confidence back.

Sorry for rambling about Pete here, esp. he is not very loved here. :o :o :o

Layla
01-11-2003, 07:44 PM
Originally posted by Lee
I better stay away from that one. I like Kevin since I watched LA confidential, he was great in that movie (may be people will notice Russell Crowe earlier if not for him), somehow I never watch American Beauty although I have it in my hubby's DVD collection. Too bad he did not have any decent movie since he won the Oscar. :(

LA Confidential was a brilliant movie. It's one of my favorite movies. I noticed all of them, Kevin Spacey, Russell Crowe, Guy Pearce - they were all great. Hell, even Kim Basinger was great and I have zero respect for her acting abilities. ;)

You really should watch American Beauty. It's a classic. I've seen it 5 times.

You're right. He really should reconsider the roles he's getting now. Actually, I take that back. Shipping News was a great movie!

Layla
01-11-2003, 07:45 PM
Originally posted by xxfrancine
Lol, so am I, but I go anyway, on my icehockey skates, you should see me.. And my dad wants to take me on the 10 km long tour, 'to enjoy the nature and fresh air'. He's insane.

Hey, that sounds like a great idea! I'd do it. :)

Chloe le Bopper
01-11-2003, 07:47 PM
Ice skating! I'm terrible :D

I finally managed after years to be able to skate without hugging the board, when one day I had to borrow somebody's hockey skates.

Hockey skates of course, have no pick on them, like figure skates.

After that I was clumsy, but could manage.

ILR
01-11-2003, 07:51 PM
I wouldnt even trust myself to play ice hockey!:p:o

Layla
01-11-2003, 07:51 PM
Originally posted by Lee

Sorry for rambling about Pete here, esp. he is not very loved here. :o :o :o

No, he's not. ;) He's not loved by me either. :o But you can ramble about him anytime and I'll listen. :)

I believe you that Bridget did wonders for his confidence and I like happy love stories, but I can't stand watching her in the movies. Still, I think it's good for tennis players to be grounded by a serious relationship and a supportive girlfriend/wife.

Layla
01-11-2003, 07:52 PM
Emma, your horrorscope is brilliant! :D I'm should go write it immediately. Thanks a bunch! :kiss:

Francine
01-11-2003, 07:53 PM
it sounds like fun when you can skate :D and have good skates. But I wouldn't try skating 10 km on icehockey skates. Maybe when I'm in good shape and the winter is strong enough I'll skate the 11-cities tour once, that's about 200 km and the tour that all Dutch ppl look forward to every year, but it hasn't been held since 1997.

ILR
01-11-2003, 07:56 PM
Originally posted by Layla
Emma, your horrorscope is brilliant! :D I'm should go write it immediately. Thanks a bunch! :kiss:

Its OK Layla :):)glad they're quite useful to you

Francine
01-11-2003, 08:11 PM
:wavey: I'm off, good night everyone!

ILR
01-11-2003, 08:17 PM
nite Francine!:wavey:

ILR
01-11-2003, 08:30 PM
Im taking a break for a bit,my eyes hurt!See you later maybe :wavey:

Dissident
01-11-2003, 08:37 PM
:eek: So many posts!!! :eek:

No way my lazy ass will let me read all that... :p
Anyone said something I should read, except for Hackie´s tennis question that I´m working on? :)

Layla
01-11-2003, 08:41 PM
Bye Francine and Emma! :wavey:

Hi Dissident! :wavey:

LOL, I don't know. We argued about why Juanqui lost, a few of us posted our accounts of the match and we talked about scary animals and movies a bit. Hope that helps. ;)

Layla
01-11-2003, 08:42 PM
But there really arent' that many posts. They're really quite short so it wouldn't take you too long. ;)

Dissident
01-11-2003, 08:46 PM
Originally posted by Layla
The problem is, Juanqui says that kind of confident stuff all the time, he just doesn't always follow up on it. I actually think he was a bit taken by surprise by how well Lee played so it's possible he was overly confident and underestimated him, thus not playing as aggressively as he should have.

Hmm, I guess I dont agree with some things you guys think here... let me try.

Players have different characteristics. As forehands down the line, or backhand cross-court winners or Net play, the mental part of them work differently.

Minds like Guga´s or Hewitt´s or Sampras´ in his best, are REALLY rare.
Also, in champions, the messed up minds like Marat´s are also rare.

The bigger amount of players are in the middle class, not unbreakable but not fragile.

Juanqui is there. He can develop a way into the upper cathegory, but thats really hard once you dont have it in you from the start. He can be a champion and a number one anyway, but he will have to learn how to stay there!
So, he can win tournaments on hard, but he cant KEEP winning them. He has constant strong performances, but has issues closing them with major trophies.

Thats the normal. He is gonna learn eventually, and then these weird results will be cut by half or even less. But hey, just now he´s being considered a major threat to the game. He wasn´t taken seriously before (a shame, and totally unfair, but true).
The pressure he has to live with now is diferent. He is not used to it.

I dont know if it made any sense, but I tried my best to be clear on such an abstract subject...

Dissident
01-11-2003, 08:55 PM
For Hackie! They are all on sports stores. ;)

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Price around US$85

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FEATHER WOMEN´S (I had the previous "version" of the men´s feather, that was used by Safin a couple years ago. They put a half-half sole, that suits both Clay and Hard courts)
Price around US$60

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CLIMA TENNIS SHOES (New line, supposed to be really light and effective. I never wore any of these, although the Barricade has the ClimaLite tecnology and it makes the shoe incredibly light and soft on your feet)
Price around US$75
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Dissident
01-11-2003, 08:56 PM
Now I look like a salesperson for Adidas. LMAO!

Layla
01-11-2003, 08:58 PM
Hmm, so far I'm agreeing with you, so where are we disagreeing?

No, I do disagree with something. He is MUCH more consistent now, but I wouldn't say he consistently produces strong performances except in the finals. He can have off-days at any stage of the tournament. Remember Koubek and Ulichrach?

Dissident
01-11-2003, 08:59 PM
Hmm, Martina Hingis wears the Barricade...
Marat Safin wears the Feather Male version on clay
And I remember Anna uses one of those Clima ones

Dissident
01-11-2003, 09:01 PM
Originally posted by Layla
Hmm, so far I'm agreeing with you, so where are we disagreeing?

No, I do disagree with something. He is MUCH more consistent now, but I wouldn't say he consistently produces strong performances except in the finals. He can have off-days at any stage of the tournament. Remember Koubek and Ulichrach?

I didnt aim that to you in particular, Layla.
But sometimes it SEEMS that some of us think that way...
I do, when he loses. Then it takes some minutes for me to calm down, and then that comes to mind.

Juanqui is constant. If he wasnt, he wouldnt be a top 5 player, with a serious shot at the top.
Im still waiting for a good run at the Aussie.

Sorry if I didnt explain my point better. :o

Layla
01-11-2003, 09:19 PM
No, no, you explained your point very well. :)

I know he is constant. Like I said earlier, he's been consistently in the top 5 or at least top 10 in the last two years. But then so was Marat. :p

I'm kidding. Juanqui has made great progress, especially on the hard courts and I know he can do even better.

So what category does Kiefer fit in?

Layla
01-11-2003, 09:25 PM
Sorry, I just noticed I'm not very coherent at all. I think my brain is fried. :( I wouldn't want to be the person reading my horrorscopes next week. ;) Who knows what kind of crap I'm gonna write tonight.

Chloe le Bopper
01-11-2003, 09:26 PM
HItman :hearts:

Layla :hearts:

*scrolls back to see read the convo*

Hey hitman - GO HRBATY! ;)

ILR
01-11-2003, 09:30 PM
:wavey:

Im back lol at you guys!:eek:;)

Chloe le Bopper
01-11-2003, 09:35 PM
About Kiefer - Kiefer is just super mental - like Marat, but not as talented.

Vera
01-11-2003, 09:35 PM
Hi Diss, Layla and Becca :wavey:

I just finished reading the posts. And want to answer some of them but too lazy to go back to quote.

First of all, Becca. What I really mean is that BC is a lovely place to live, in terms of the scenary (mountain and ocean), the weather (always between 25 to 0, rarely snow or too hot), and good food...there's lots of things about BC here. But then, BC as a province is not doing as well as the rest of Canada, low GDP growth, pretty much the most expensive place to live in Canada, high tax, and also, most corporations have headquarters in the East or Alberta, not in BC bcos it's not as business-friendly a province. So it really depends on what you want when choosing west or east. I actually heard ppl saying there's more jobs in the East since it's the country's biggest city (TO). But I can't really pull myself off from Vancouver bcos it's too much reasons for me to stay.

Anyway, if you are really seriously thinking about coming to the West, I don't mind giving you more specific info, depending on what you are looking for.

Chloe le Bopper
01-11-2003, 09:37 PM
WOW this site just DIED for me- it's going SOOO slow - this may well be my last post for a bit.

I should read something anyhow, i haven't done any of that today.

But my thoughts on Ferrero - I have read a couple places, and tend to think that he might feel the same way - no matter what he does this year, if he doesn't win a major, it will be considered a dissapointment. Agree? Disagree?

So let's say he had another decent year, wins some smaller titles, a masters series, sinks out in the semis or finals of Roland Garros. Falls early in Australia.

Then what?

ILR
01-11-2003, 09:38 PM
Hi Vera :wavey:

Vera
01-11-2003, 09:39 PM
Diss, what I like in adidas is what Anna's wearing, do you know which line is that?

Chloe le Bopper
01-11-2003, 09:39 PM
Vera - I might ask you some stuff in the next few days. If I did go out there, it would be on a transfer - either UBC or Simon Fraser.

Vera
01-11-2003, 09:41 PM
Hi Emma :wavey: sorry, didn't notice you're here too.

And Becca, ya, feel free, I love to help. One of my sister graduated from UBC, the other SFU. So if you have questions about the Uni, I might be able to help too.

ILR
01-11-2003, 09:42 PM
lol its OK Vera,as long as you werent ignoring me ;)

Chloe le Bopper
01-11-2003, 09:43 PM
Hi Emma :wavey:

Don't worry, Vera wasn't ignoring you - but I was ;)

ILR
01-11-2003, 09:44 PM
Originally posted by Rebecca
Hi Emma :wavey:

Don't worry, Vera wasn't ignoring you - but I was ;)

At least you're honest :p

Chloe le Bopper
01-11-2003, 09:44 PM
Honesty is my middle name :devil:

Layla
01-11-2003, 09:45 PM
Hi Vera, Becca and Emma! :wavey:

ILR
01-11-2003, 09:50 PM
lol Becca,and dont we know it :p Hi again Layla :wavey:

Vera
01-11-2003, 09:50 PM
And so many thought on Juanqui, just really need to organize them bcos I pour it out.

I read all the match reports from Francine, Layla and Zosse. Thanks to you all. It's hard to make out what exactly is going on in the match since I didn't see it. But I guess the important fact is it's over and we should move on.

I do agree that a top player should be able to pull thru even in a off day. But then, not many can do that. We just have a mindset of comparing him and everyone to Hewitt but Lleyton is a rare kind.

I felt very sad for a couple of weeks after TMC bcos his disappointed face kept coming to me and I was very sad. This time, I think it's easier since there's no time to look back as AO is right here. I also read that in GM someone posted, Juanqui said he won't dwell on this loss. Though, maybe he is just saying it to convince himself not to dwell on it. That's okay, speaking out loud to himself is good. Or maybe he had just put things into perspective, knowing that a bigger task is at hand and he really need to focus on the big picture. Then that's even better. If he does well in AO, we'll forget about this loss. If he does bad in AO, we'll forget about this loss and dwell on that :p.

Okay, that's what I think, that I'm over it. But I'm going to gather my thought and comment on his mental situation later. So the next big post is coming :p.

Layla
01-11-2003, 09:52 PM
Originally posted by Rebecca

But my thoughts on Ferrero - I have read a couple places, and tend to think that he might feel the same way - no matter what he does this year, if he doesn't win a major, it will be considered a dissapointment. Agree? Disagree?

So let's say he had another decent year, wins some smaller titles, a masters series, sinks out in the semis or finals of Roland Garros. Falls early in Australia.

Then what?

Then nothing. He will continue to be a top 5 player who hasn't won a slam yet. It's not such a tragedy. What if your number one fave was someone like Di Pasquale?

He wouldn't have reached his goals so he would just have to keep trying to do even better and we would keep supporting him and believing in him.

I disagree that if he didn't win a slam, the year would be considered a disappointment regardless of his other achievements. Call me weird but I'm not so hung up about slams. I know most tennis fans and tennis players claim that they are the only thing that matters, but I thoroughly disagree with that. In my eyes, every title matters, even the smallest one.

Chloe le Bopper
01-11-2003, 09:54 PM
Well on second he says that he won't dwell on the loss - than a second before he says something like "I ended last season with dissapointment, now I start this one with dissapointment. I had chances to win both finals" - is that not dwelling?

ILR
01-11-2003, 09:55 PM
I see what you mean Layla about the smallest titles,I mean I was devasted because Rogi never won in Qatar!:p But you know what I mean,every title is importnat :) But for me GS's are that little bit special,more hyped up,more media and money pumped into it meaning more pressure.This pressure really does determine who the top players are,mentally at least.Thats my view anyway.

Layla
01-11-2003, 09:56 PM
Originally posted by Vera

If he does well in AO, we'll forget about this loss. If he does bad in AO, we'll forget about this loss and dwell on that :p.


LMAO! Well said! :D That just cracked me up, it's so spot on.

Layla
01-11-2003, 09:59 PM
Originally posted by Rebecca
Well on second he says that he won't dwell on the loss - than a second before he says something like "I ended last season with dissapointment, now I start this one with dissapointment. I had chances to win both finals" - is that not dwelling?

Not really. Dwelling is if he will still be thinking about his missed opportunities tomorrow and a week after that and a week after that. Today he HAS to think about it, analize it and put it in perspective.

Chloe le Bopper
01-11-2003, 09:59 PM
Then nothing. He will continue to be a top 5 player who hasn't won a slam yet. It's not such a tragedy. What if your number one fave was someone like Di Pasquale?

Well - I have a habit of rooting for either:

1) Vulnerable types who don't tap into their potential - for a best example see Mark P

2) Dangerous Floaters who are very good, but not slam material - Santoro is a good example of this.

3) Players who have no phsycial excuse but play way way way below themsevles - see Hrbaty


Anyhow - I do believe that I intentionally would never make a favourite of somebody like Hewitt, because I like a challenge, so to speak.

Yeah, we all know that Hewitt is going to win more slams. *yawn* There isn't any "fun" in it for me. I can respect players like this, but I can't root for them on a match to match basis.


But what I meant by "then what?" was not how I would feel heh - it really doesn't make a huge difference in my life, just gives me something to do.

What I meant, was what will it men for him? We've seen this a million times before. Great players who are expected to win big, and don't because they pressure gets too great.

What I was getting at, was - is he going to be one of those?

Chloe le Bopper
01-11-2003, 10:01 PM
Originally posted by Layla
Not really. Dwelling is if he will still be thinking about his missed opportunities tomorrow and a week after that and a week after that. Today he HAS to think about it, analize it and put it in perspective.

Well I hope that you are right, and that those are just thoughts he's thinking about now.

Not thoughts that he will think about the next time he gets ahead in a final, or the next time he plays hewitt, or the next time he plays Lee, or the next time a match is tight, etc etc

Vera
01-11-2003, 10:02 PM
Originally posted by Rebecca
Well on second he says that he won't dwell on the loss - than a second before he says something like "I ended last season with dissapointment, now I start this one with dissapointment. I had chances to win both finals" - is that not dwelling?

True, I'm not convinced either, that he's not dwelling. But the fact that he said he won't, I somehow find that is a positive sign, that's he's trying not to. Though, I might just be too desperate to look for anything positive from him at this point.

And regarding not winning a slam. As a fan, I would not be disappointed if he's not. I somehow just want him to be content with himself and if he's not, that I get worry. And I also don't want ppl to look down on him so maybe my concern is on how he took it and how others react to him not meeting expectation. (Okay, am I making any sense).

I'm happy for my fave as long as they are happy with what they got. Like Pat, that he's okay with not winning Wimby and DC, then, I won't be disappointed. Believe it or not, some still thinks he's not as good as ppl said he is. Fine with me, since I think Pat don't give a shit of what ppl think and said.

So if Juanqui is the same, then I don't care of what he achieves. But I do have a feeling that he's not quite like Pat, that he will be disappointed.

Layla
01-11-2003, 10:06 PM
Originally posted by Rebecca

But what I meant by "then what?" was not how I would feel heh - it really doesn't make a huge difference in my life, just gives me something to do.

What I meant, was what will it men for him? We've seen this a million times before. Great players who are expected to win big, and don't because they pressure gets too great.

What I was getting at, was - is he going to be one of those?

Oh I see. To answer your question - I don't think so. It's possible of course, but I doubt it. He's not THAT fragile mentally.

I also don't think the pressure on Juanqui is too huge. He's only beginning to win some recognition and is far from having his name dropped as one of the main favorite at slams (RG is the exception) on a regular basis. Most people/commentators tend to forget about him.

Chloe le Bopper
01-11-2003, 10:09 PM
Anyhow - I'm going to take off for a while.

I'm not trying to be negative, but I can't help but think of these things.

He lists all the things he want's to achieve and what not, and I'm sure he'll be dissapointed if he doesn't accomplish at least a couple of them - so I worry that he doesn't have "it" in him.

Anyhow, bbl :wavey:

ILR
01-11-2003, 10:10 PM
bye Becca :wavey:

Layla
01-11-2003, 10:12 PM
Originally posted by Rebecca
Well I hope that you are right, and that those are just thoughts he's thinking about now.

Not thoughts that he will think about the next time he gets ahead in a final, or the next time he plays hewitt, or the next time he plays Lee, or the next time a match is tight, etc etc

Perhaps the best argument for my conviction are his own actions. Don't forget he just defeated Srichaphan, to whom he lost rather embarrasingly in the second round in Paris. And he defeated him very convincingly. So he was obviously able to overcome any hang up he might have playing him and he didn't let his previous loss drag him down. AND Paradorn has just won a title, so he knew he was in red-hot form. ;)

Layla
01-11-2003, 10:13 PM
Originally posted by Rebecca
Anyhow - I'm going to take off for a while.

I'm not trying to be negative, but I can't help but think of these things.

He lists all the things he want's to achieve and what not, and I'm sure he'll be dissapointed if he doesn't accomplish at least a couple of them - so I worry that he doesn't have "it" in him.

Anyhow, bbl :wavey:

Of course he has it in him. It's just a question of whether he can bring it out. ;)

Bye Becca! :wavey:

Vera
01-11-2003, 10:16 PM
Originally posted by Rebecca
Anyhow - I'm going to take off for a while.

I'm not trying to be negative, but I can't help but think of these things.

He lists all the things he want's to achieve and what not, and I'm sure he'll be dissapointed if he doesn't accomplish at least a couple of them - so I worry that he doesn't have "it" in him.

Anyhow, bbl :wavey:

Bye Becca :wavey:

It's okay that you feel negative, it's pretty normal. And I'm just trying to find the positive to balance the negative thoughts in me.

I'm very attached to the player that I like (and he's the only one that really really really really care). I know it's silly bcos he's someone I've never met, just whatever happens to him affects me emotionally :rolleyes: . But I do somehow thought that's human nature. I feel sad for other's misfortune and happy for other's fortune, regardless of whether we know them or not. At times, I felt I'm too involved in this game of tennis. But then, nothing wrong with that if it gives me joy and sadness at times.

ILR
01-11-2003, 10:18 PM
Vera,sometimes you cant help but get emotionally involved,especially if you have been supporting someone for a long time :) All that matters is that you enjoy the game and try and see the positive in it :)

Vera
01-11-2003, 10:19 PM
Originally posted by IluvRogi
Vera,sometimes you cant help but get emotionally involved,especially if you have been supporting someone for a long time :) All that matters is that you enjoy the game and try and see the positive in it :)

Exactly. I mean, I feel more alive when everything matters to me.

ILR
01-11-2003, 10:23 PM
Originally posted by Vera
Exactly. I mean, I feel more alive when everything matters to me.

Of course!Its exciting and makes you feel good when people you like win,but bad when they lose.Its all part of being a fan,and fans care and stick by their players all the time.It is fun but sometimes you think why do I bother?For me the good far outweighs the bad and you cant help but feel passionate about it/them.

Lee
01-11-2003, 10:24 PM
Hi Vera, Emma & Layla! :wavey:

I should continue doing my laundry but well!

Layla
01-11-2003, 10:24 PM
Vera, I know what you mean about worrying if he will be disappointed or hurt that people are ridiculing him. :( But we can't spare anyone from disappointments. We all experience them, all the time. And we bounce back, most of the time. I'm pretty sure he will bounce back from his. Remember when we talked about how miserable he looked in the first quarter of the year? Well, he certainly looks a lot happier now. He somehow seems more together.

And when he has so many great fans who love him, that's one achievement he can't be disappointed about. ;)

Lee
01-11-2003, 10:24 PM
First thing is Diss, are you still here?

ILR
01-11-2003, 10:25 PM
Hi Lee :wavey:

tut tut skipping the laundry!:p

Layla
01-11-2003, 10:27 PM
Originally posted by Vera
Exactly. I mean, I feel more alive when everything matters to me.

Yes! That's it. Why would I want to be involved with something and devote my time to it, if it didn't move me and I didn't feel passionate about? I rarely do things half-heartedly.

Layla
01-11-2003, 10:27 PM
Originally posted by Lee
First thing is Diss, are you still here?

I don't think he is Lee. :( Hello again! :wavey:

Lee
01-11-2003, 10:29 PM
Originally posted by IluvRogi
Of course!Its exciting and makes you feel good when people you like win,but bad when they lose.Its all part of being a fan,and fans care and stick by their players all the time.It is fun but sometimes you think why do I bother?For me the good far outweighs the bad and you cant help but feel passionate about it/them.

Absolutely Emma! I never actually meet any of you guys but I was so sad last night after Juanqui's match.

Lee
01-11-2003, 10:37 PM
Originally posted by IluvRogi
Hi Lee :wavey:

tut tut skipping the laundry!:p

Well, I have 3 loads done and 2 of them are dried already!

Vera
01-11-2003, 10:37 PM
I can't agree more with what Diss said. The mental ability of Juanqui. Given a scale of 100 to 0, Lleyton is 100 and he's the only one in the top that's high up there in the mental part. Even Agassi, he lost it in a lot of times. And I rated Safin at 60 and Rogi at 70 and Juanqui at 85. It's hard to classify him sometimes. He looks invincible sometimes and vulnerable the other times (not to be disrespectful of Rogi or Marat). Not a headcase at all, but can't say he's very tough either, as he does get tense up at big moment.

But then, he's not the give up type, that's for sure. And he can improve without seeing a shrink, IMO. In fact, he's improving, I think he gained strength after the humiliating lost in RG. And TMC loss seems to leave no bitter taste either. So I want to believe he's improving, learning, maturing.

I watched TMC final about 3-4 times. Despite that he lost and it's hard to watch the disappointing expression on his face, I found it very encouraging of his performance in the 5 setters. His body language was so negative during that 7 games stretch lost between 1st and 2nd set. His shoulders down, he shaked his heads time to time and he even let balls go hoping them to be out. At that point, I bet we all convinced that he's ready to give it to Hewitt. Despite the negativity, he just seems to be able to stop thinking and just focusing on the task at hand to pull himself back. I really am quite encouraged by his toughness.

What is the weakness in his game is that, in the 5th, he didn't play badly, or choked. Just that suddenly, Lleyton started to play better and not missing balls that he was missing in the previous 2 sets. So Juanqui got tensed and rushed. So he's tough in a sense that he doesn't give up, but he is vulnerable when the pressure is high, I felt that's 2 different thing.

I do think he has it in him to improve the handling pressure part, I hope I'm right about him.

ILR
01-11-2003, 10:42 PM
Originally posted by Lee
Well, I have 3 loads done and 2 of them are dried already!

Well I guess thats acceptable;).And Vera,no disrespect taken ;) That is one part of Rogi's game that does need to be improved and at least it has been or did in Shanghai,taking Hewitt to 3 sets.Juanqui also at Shanghai.although this was last year,it wasnt so long ago and he was 2-0 down in sets and brought it back to 2-2 but just loast it in the 5th.Im sure he will get round to handling the pressure.:) maybe just give him a bit more time ;)

Lee
01-11-2003, 10:45 PM
Originally posted by Layla
I don't think he is Lee. :( Hello again! :wavey:

Just find him in Auckland's thread but he then left.

I will be checking the scoring site.

Lee
01-11-2003, 10:47 PM
Guga just take the first set 6-3 :D :D

Lee
01-11-2003, 10:49 PM
Originally posted by Lee
Just find him in Auckland's thread but he then left.


Oops! He's still there.

Layla
01-11-2003, 10:50 PM
Those are great points Vera. I can see the difference between the two. You really are spot on tonight. :) I was basically only describing the mental toughness, i.e. his ability to fight and not give up, in my account of the match. If you break it down into two distinct mental issues, it makes a lot more sense. I agree. He will develop in the pressure department as well. :) He's certainly creating enough learning opportunities these days. ;)

Layla
01-11-2003, 10:51 PM
Originally posted by Lee
Guga just take the first set 6-3 :D :D

Way to go Guga! :bounce: Keep it up!

Vera
01-11-2003, 10:52 PM
Originally posted by Layla
Vera, I know what you mean about worrying if he will be disappointed or hurt that people are ridiculing him. :( But we can't spare anyone from disappointments. We all experience them, all the time. And we bounce back, most of the time. I'm pretty sure he will bounce back from his. Remember when we talked about how miserable he looked in the first quarter of the year? Well, he certainly looks a lot happier now. He somehow seems more together.

And when he has so many great fans who love him, that's one achievement he can't be disappointed about. ;)

I think we as fans expect too much (that fans are eager to want things for their faves). I mean, I do. I was very upset last nite. Then I thought, c'mon, maybe the result ain't so important, if I can focus on what he've learned during the year and what he had evolved from last year, then it's just a loss and another step forward.

He does look a lot more happier now, so I'm also feel good that he does. Hey, his fans are all so good. Someone said it here that the players attract fans with similar personalities, I can't agree more.

Vera
01-11-2003, 11:01 PM
Originally posted by Layla
Those are great points Vera. I can see the difference between the two. You really are spot on tonight. :) I was basically only describing the mental toughness, i.e. his ability to fight and not give up, in my account of the match. If you break it down into two distinct mental issues, it makes a lot more sense. I agree. He will develop in the pressure department as well. :) He's certainly creating enough learning opportunities these days. ;)

I wonder not enough sleep helps clear up one's mind? Hehehe, I didn't sleep much last night. Not bcos I was upset. I just woke up in the middle of the night not being able to fall back to sleep, bcos I was hungry :D. And unlike Allan, I was too lazy to get up to eat, so I just lay there and wait for the hunger to pass. While awake, I thought of a lot of things :D .

BTW, pouring my passion into following this guy, I do learn a lot. I mean, every part of it is an experience to learn. And following what he got thru and I learn sometimes to put things to perspectives.

This is a quote I saw it from him a while ago. It might sound negatives, but it's true that you go thru life, the longer you live, the more disappointment you will experience. It's just important to be able to laugh at it someday and just move on. I somehow thought that it's quite a wise thing that he said.

JUAN CARLOS FERRERO After losing to Gustavo Kuerten:"I wouldn't say it's the worst moment of my career. It's an important loss but I'm still young and there's plenty of time to suffer more defeats."

Lee
01-11-2003, 11:02 PM
Originally posted by Vera

What is the weakness in his game is that, in the 5th, he didn't play badly, or choked. Just that suddenly, Lleyton started to play better and not missing balls that he was missing in the previous 2 sets. So Juanqui got tensed and rushed. So he's tough in a sense that he doesn't give up, but he is vulnerable when the pressure is high, I felt that's 2 different thing.

I do think he has it in him to improve the handling pressure part, I hope I'm right about him.

Well, this second part can definitely improve with experience.

Layla
01-11-2003, 11:03 PM
Originally posted by Vera

He does look a lot more happier now, so I'm also feel good that he does. Hey, his fans are all so good. Someone said it here that the players attract fans with similar personalities, I can't agree more.

Yeah, I agree with that. I even said it myself at some point. I know it's a sweeping generalization and there must be plently of exceptions, but it's often true, at least when it comes to someone's main favorite.

I have to go to sleep now. See you tomorrow!

Goodnight everyone who's still here! Sleep tight! :wavey:

ILR
01-11-2003, 11:03 PM
goodnight Layla :wavey:

Vera
01-11-2003, 11:04 PM
Good night Layla :wavey: Sweet dreams.

Lee
01-11-2003, 11:08 PM
Goodnight Layla! :wavey:

Vera
01-11-2003, 11:10 PM
Hey, I also learn a lot from you guys thru our discussion about everything. And every time he lost a big one, it seems that the in-depth discussion always make me open up another level of thoughts about something else. So I must say, afterall, this is definitely a positive experience for me :).

Vera
01-11-2003, 11:13 PM
I think I'm done being the philosopher of the day :p. So, going now.

Bye Lee and Emma. :wavey:

ILR
01-11-2003, 11:16 PM
my mum is sending me to bed also!nite guys!:wavey:

Lee
01-11-2003, 11:20 PM
Bye Everybody! Have a nice weekend!

Dissident
01-12-2003, 01:22 AM
Lee, you were looking for me... Too bad I just arrived again. :(

I saw your regards to Gabi. Thanks! :)
I send the same to Mr Vince. ;)

Leo7
01-12-2003, 04:54 AM
Originally posted by Layla
Hi Francine! :wavey:

Hehe, his legs are so shiny. I wonder what compels him to do that? :confused: Maybe so he can go faster on his motocycle. ;)

Sadly, that's the pic of him collapsing after he missed his only match point. :sad:

i don't get why he collapsed like that after missing the forehand. it seems totally uncharacteristic for Juanqui. he should immediately refocus and shake it off, but he obviously didn't do that. sorry for all the negativity. it's just one of those days.

congrats to Guga tho. :)

Leo7
01-12-2003, 05:11 AM
Originally posted by Layla
Lol, ok. First I watched tennis, then I watched a downhill race, then I watched ski jumping, then I watched a biathlon relay and then I watched the women's final (yep, tennis again). That about sums up my day. :D Oh and I tried to work in between but quite unsuccessfully, much like now. I still haven't written a thing since I came here. :(

How was your day?

ah, a great day of watching sports. that doesn't sound so bad. much better than my day of sulking and studying. :rolleyes:

Leo7
01-12-2003, 05:14 AM
hey guys. exactly one month from today is Juanqui's birthday! :D :bounce:

ferrerogrrl
01-12-2003, 05:17 AM
Yay! Guga won :D a title this week! Would have been nice if both JCF and Guga had won. . but oh well.

Juanqui shaves his legs?? O h Lord, he's girlier than I am, what with the shaving of the legs and constant bleaching of the hair :confused: . Does Juanqui have issues surrounding any type of hair? :p

When did Martina stop her sponsorship with Sergio Tacchini and start with Adidas?

Leo7
01-12-2003, 05:30 AM
Originally posted by IluvRogi
ice skating :o I have been so many times and Im useless :o

i haven't been ice skating in so long. partially due to the fact that i suck and can barely stand on skates. and one time i went ice skating as a kid at Rockefeller Center in NYC (there's a big ice rink there) and i just kept falling and falling and it was freezing cold and i hated it.. total nightmare. and i've hated ice skating even more since the 2002 Olympics.. the biggest sporting disaster of the year.. Michelle :rolleyes: :fiery:

i am amazed by professional ice skaters though. that must be one of, if not the most, difficult sport in the world. not in a million years would i be able to do all those triple axels and jumps and crap.

Lee
01-12-2003, 05:38 AM
Hi Leo! It's pretty late for you!

About ice-skating. I actually doing OK when I was still a teenager in Hong Kong. After I moved to Canada, we were out to have a skating party on a frozen lagoon with a whole bunch of friends and ouch, I twisted my knee, on physiotheraphy for 6 months and it never healed completely.

Lee
01-12-2003, 05:39 AM
Just 16 more posts for another level of dorkdom! :D :D

liS@
01-12-2003, 05:40 AM
Originally posted by Layla


Hehe, his legs are so shiny. I wonder what compels him to do that? :confused: Maybe so he can go faster on his motocycle. ;)



mwhahahaha....LMAO :D actually, the more i look at it, the sexier his hairless legs are :drool:

Leo7
01-12-2003, 05:42 AM
Originally posted by Vera
If he does well in AO, we'll forget about this loss. If he does bad in AO, we'll forget about this loss and dwell on that :p.

i wish that if/when Ferrero loses in Melbourne that he gets creamed. i wouldn't dwell on that loss if he went down badly like i would if he lost another one of these nail-biting matches.

Lee
01-12-2003, 05:44 AM
Hi strawberriestardust! :wavey:

You have a really long name here. Anyway to shorten it?

Welcome to the JCF forum.

liS@
01-12-2003, 05:46 AM
Originally posted by Leo7
i don't get why he collapsed like that after missing the forehand. it seems totally uncharacteristic for Juanqui. he should immediately refocus and shake it off, but he obviously didn't do that. sorry for all the negativity. it's just one of those days.

congrats to Guga tho. :)

yeah. i can't think of y he would collapse either. did he slip or something? Juanqui or any other player for that matter doesn't really fall to the ground becuz of an error (isn't that more of a winning ritual?? cough cough hewitt)...they just maliciously berate themselves :)

liS@
01-12-2003, 05:46 AM
Originally posted by Lee
Hi strawberriestardust! :wavey:

You have a really long name here. Anyway to shorten it?

Welcome to the JCF forum.

haha...just call me JEM

Lee
01-12-2003, 05:47 AM
Hi JEM! :wavey:

Leo7
01-12-2003, 05:52 AM
Originally posted by Vera
And regarding not winning a slam. As a fan, I would not be disappointed if he's not. I somehow just want him to be content with himself and if he's not, that I get worry. And I also don't want ppl to look down on him so maybe my concern is on how he took it and how others react to him not meeting expectation. (Okay, am I making any sense).

i am only disappointed with Juanqui's results b/c i know he is too. Ferrero puts tons of pressure on himself to achieve his goals and i know that he must not be content with himself when he doesn't reach those goals.