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RogiFan
12-23-2002, 09:44 PM
:) the one I posted today about his year and next year's goals... boy, do I miss that little Swiss guy!!! and his "mischievous" little smile! ;)

RogiFan
12-23-2002, 09:49 PM
:) ILR, gotta go and make a tortilla espanola for din... be back LATER maybe... did Hackie post at all today?? don't think so... :p

ILR
12-23-2002, 09:53 PM
http://www.praialonga.com/img.photos/vilamoura.main2.jpg http://www.villavacationsworldwide.com/portugal/algarvedesc/vilamari.jpg http://www.villavacationsworldwide.com/portugal/algarvedesc/vilamari.jpg http://www.longshotgolf.co.uk/pageimages/algarve-mainpic.jpg http://www.jqcelticgolf.com/site/media/courses/portugal/new_vilamoura_old.jpg

just a few pics

ILR
12-23-2002, 09:54 PM
Bye RF!:wavey:

yes I did see your post,but now you missed my pics!:(;) I dont think she has posted.

TennisHack
12-23-2002, 11:10 PM
Originally posted by Lee
Hi TH! :wavey:

I haven't finish reading the commentary but it's great. I like the new web-site, great job there too!

Thank you, and thank you :) It might be awhile before the next load of comments for the commentary thread; I'm busier than I expected for the Christmas season. But it will be there, I promise :D

TennisHack
12-23-2002, 11:12 PM
Originally posted by Rebecca
:hearts: :hearts: :hearts:

http://groups.msn.com/CulbdeFasdeJCFerrero/esteesmialbumsperokosgust.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=152


Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm :drool:

Thanks for the lovely picture, Becca :hearts:

Chloe le Bopper
12-23-2002, 11:17 PM
No problem ... did you notice that they spelled "club" wrong? LOL

Chloe le Bopper
12-23-2002, 11:17 PM
I'm fairly certain that they don't say "culb" in spanish... but hmmm maybe I'm wrong :p

TennisHack
12-23-2002, 11:19 PM
Originally posted by RogiFan
did Hackie post at all today?? don't think so... :p

LOL!! No, I was BAKING all day, RF, just like I said yesterday ;)

Leo & Emma, sounds like you two are set for Christmas. :) I finally finished my wrapping, but I still have a few batches of cookies to make. We're going to be swimming in cookies by the time I'm finished :D

I miss Layla, too :( She was supposed to find out about her modem today and since we haven't heard from her, I guess I'm expecting the worst :(

I also miss Dissident. I hope he's feeling better :( I hope he comes around tonight, I seem to be having a hard time with my downloads. It's super ultra busy :(

TennisHack
12-23-2002, 11:21 PM
Originally posted by Rebecca
I'm fairly certain that they don't say "culb" in spanish... but hmmm maybe I'm wrong :p

LOL, no I hadn't noticed :o but it's kinda cute, I guess. Whatever, they have wonderful pictures (or at least one -- or is this where the Tweety picture came from, too?) ;)

TennisHack
12-23-2002, 11:23 PM
Awwww!

http://groups.msn.com/CulbdeFasdeJCFerrero/esteesmialbumsperokosgust.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=149

TennisHack
12-23-2002, 11:27 PM
So nice to his fans :D

http://groups.msn.com/CulbdeFasdeJCFerrero/esteesmialbumsperokosgust.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=142

Lee
12-23-2002, 11:27 PM
Hi Becca & TH! :wavey:

Have you finish wrapping, TH?

The weather is miserable here. It's been raining for 3 days now.

Lee
12-23-2002, 11:29 PM
Originally posted by TennisHack


LOL!! No, I was BAKING all day, RF, just like I said yesterday ;)

Leo & Emma, sounds like you two are set for Christmas. :) I finally finished my wrapping, but I still have a few batches of cookies to make. We're going to be swimming in cookies by the time I'm finished :D

I miss Layla, too :( She was supposed to find out about her modem today and since we haven't heard from her, I guess I'm expecting the worst :(

I also miss Dissident. I hope he's feeling better :( I hope he comes around tonight, I seem to be having a hard time with my downloads. It's super ultra busy :(

Answer my question here!

I miss Layla and Dissident too.

Lee
12-23-2002, 11:31 PM
Originally posted by TennisHack
So nice to his fans :D

http://groups.msn.com/CulbdeFasdeJCFerrero/esteesmialbumsperokosgust.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=142

A luck girl she was!

TennisHack
12-23-2002, 11:36 PM
LOOKIT THIS LOOKIT THIS LOOKIT THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce:


Tennis Channel lands rights to five key events

December 23, 2002

LOS ANGELES (AP) -- The Tennis Channel will air full coverage of five Tennis Masters Series tournaments in 2003.

It the first time that the events in Monte Carlo (April 14-20), Rome (May 5-11), Hamburg (May 12-18), Madrid (Oct. 13-19) and Paris (Oct. 27-Nov. 2) will be televised in their entirety in the United States. The first three are clay-court tuneups for the French Open.

The men's Masters Series circuit is one notch below the four Grand Slam tournaments.

The 24-hour, ad-supported network, a basic cable service, has deals to be in 38 percent of the country's cable households. It was supposed to launch last fall but now is slated to start early next year.

TennisHack
12-23-2002, 11:38 PM
Here's the companies that have picked up the Tennis Channel :)


April 22, 2002

KALAMAZOO -- A television sports executive involved in a start-up venture called The Tennis Channel is the latest alumnus of Western Michigan University's marketing program to be honored for his accomplishments.

Randy B. Brown of Chicago was inducted into the Marketing Alumni Hall of Fame in the Haworth College of Business at a dinner program Friday, April 19, at WMU's Fetzer Center. Brown received the Outstanding Marketing Alumni Award, which recognizes professional accomplishments, community leadership and dedicated service to the University.

Brown is currently senior vice president for The Tennis Channel, a new cable network targeted for launch in November. The channel plans to program tennis tournaments, instruction and news 24 hours a day. His role focuses on licensing the network to the top cable and satellite distributors, including Time Warner, Comcast, Charter and DirecTV.

Previously, Brown worked as North American president of Media Access Technologies, known as MATE, which develops video recognition technologies for channel navigation, digital asset management and closed-circuit surveillance. Prior to joining MATE, he served as a vice president for the central division of ESPN, where he oversaw domestic distribution of the company's cable networks in 17 states. During his 14-year career with the cable sports network, he held several positions in sales and marketing, and helped launch ESPN2 and ESPNEWS.

"Randy has made a major commitment to WMU and he's given an incredible amount of time at the classroom level," says Dr. Andrew W. Brogowicz, chairperson of the Department of Marketing. "He relates very well to the students and encourages them to pursue their passions, and he dispenses some of the most practical, helpful career advice I've heard. We honor him for his devotion to WMU and his impressive professional accomplishments."

Brown graduated from WMU's marketing program in 1984. He went on to earn an MBA at Loyola University in Chicago, graduating with honors in May 2000. He serves on the WMU faculty as an adjunct assistant professor, speaks frequently at marketing events on campus and is a member of the Haworth College of Business Alumni Society.

Scotso
12-23-2002, 11:40 PM
Sorry to ruin the holiday spirit...

I started my campaign: http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread....&threadid=49238


It'll probably get deleted soon. I invite as many of you to join me as are willing, but I won't think less of you if you don't.



"I'm not going to post on this board...
until that racist prick TopShotta is banned.

I'm just going to say it here. I'm really sick of his shit. Everyone knows the kind of comments he makes and yet they do nothing. Why? Are you admins really that scared of the backlash from the pro-black anti-white people on this board? Who cares? Ban them all.

But I'm sick of being attacked, I'm sick of reading their racist comments and especially sick of them playing the race card.

I'll bump this thread until it gets closed or deleted, but other than that, I'm not going to post until he's banned."

Lee
12-23-2002, 11:41 PM
Originally posted by TennisHack
LOOKIT THIS LOOKIT THIS LOOKIT THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce:


Tennis Channel lands rights to five key events

December 23, 2002

LOS ANGELES (AP) -- The Tennis Channel will air full coverage of five Tennis Masters Series tournaments in 2003.

It the first time that the events in Monte Carlo (April 14-20), Rome (May 5-11), Hamburg (May 12-18), Madrid (Oct. 13-19) and Paris (Oct. 27-Nov. 2) will be televised in their entirety in the United States. The first three are clay-court tuneups for the French Open.

The men's Masters Series circuit is one notch below the four Grand Slam tournaments.

The 24-hour, ad-supported network, a basic cable service, has deals to be in 38 percent of the country's cable households. It was supposed to launch last fall but now is slated to start early next year.

This is great news.

TennisHack
12-23-2002, 11:46 PM
Originally posted by King Scotso of Aragon
Sorry to ruin the holiday spirit...

I started my campaign: http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread....&threadid=49238

It's been deleted already :eek:

Who is this TopShotta dude? People change there names so many Goddamned times I can't keep up :rolleyes:

ILR
12-23-2002, 11:47 PM
Hi Hackie,Lee and Scott :wavey:

Scotso
12-23-2002, 11:48 PM
TopShotta is Freethinker182

TennisHack
12-23-2002, 11:51 PM
:wavey: Hi, ILR!

Erm, that doesn't help me any, Scott :o Although I'm also on WTAWorld and I can get into your thread :confused:

TennisHack
12-23-2002, 11:52 PM
Well, dinner calls. I'll see you guys later :wavey:

Lee
12-23-2002, 11:54 PM
Originally posted by TennisHack


It's been deleted already :eek:

Who is this TopShotta dude? People change there names so many Goddamned times I can't keep up :rolleyes:

Sorry for this to happen Scott!

I don't know this dude but it's people like this that drove me off Gotennis and stay away from WTAworld.

Lee
12-23-2002, 11:55 PM
Bye TH and Hello Emma! :wavey:

ILR
12-23-2002, 11:57 PM
Bye Hackie :wavey:

Chloe le Bopper
12-23-2002, 11:58 PM
WTAworld is a cult!

Cult I tell you!

Scotso
12-24-2002, 12:01 AM
They have so much fun deleting my posts :D

And yes it's a cult. The stupid admins are too busy kissing their own asses to do anything about anything BUT delete my posts.

Lee
12-24-2002, 12:04 AM
Hubby request my attention! Bye! :wavey:

ILR
12-24-2002, 12:07 AM
bye Lee :wavey:

you know Id better be going to bed soon :(

Chloe le Bopper
12-24-2002, 12:44 AM
And yes it's a cult. The stupid admins are too busy kissing their own asses to do anything about anything BUT delete my posts.

It isn't nearly as bad as the asshole moderators on this board though :fiery:

Oh, hi Scott :kiss:

RogiFan
12-24-2002, 01:42 AM
Originally posted by TennisHack
LOOKIT THIS LOOKIT THIS LOOKIT THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce:


Tennis Channel lands rights to five key events

December 23, 2002

LOS ANGELES (AP) -- The Tennis Channel will air full coverage of five Tennis Masters Series tournaments in 2003.

It the first time that the events in Monte Carlo (April 14-20), Rome (May 5-11), Hamburg (May 12-18), Madrid (Oct. 13-19) and Paris (Oct. 27-Nov. 2) will be televised in their entirety in the United States. The first three are clay-court tuneups for the French Open.

The men's Masters Series circuit is one notch below the four Grand Slam tournaments.

The 24-hour, ad-supported network, a basic cable service, has deals to be in 38 percent of the country's cable households. It was supposed to launch last fall but now is slated to start early next year.

So does this mean that ESPN will no longer show these tournaments?? What does that mean for we lowly Canadian viewers???? We better get these on TV up here or I'll be fuming!!! So when does this channel officially start anyway? :confused:

May NOT be good news for Cdns... :mad:

Dissident
12-24-2002, 02:39 AM
Hello everyone! :wavey:

Im in sort of a hurry, since I need to go to bed earlier today. I really need a haircut (lol!), so Ill be going tomorrow morning. And then YOU talk about leaving things for the last minute. :p

Anyway, about my back, its getting better, but i still have some problems to stay in the same position for too long. So, I had to back up from the internet. :( No msn mainly. It keeps me around too much.

I did find some amusing things on the internet, though, as I didnt spend much time on message boards.

One of the things I found is my christmas present to Layla and TH ;) I MISS YOU BOTH!! :sad:
It will be posted now. I thought it was a "pearl" lol

Dissident
12-24-2002, 02:40 AM
Rolling Stone 10/28/93
Five Against the World
by Cameron Crowe
PART ONE

Pearl Jam emerge from the strange daze of superstardom with a new album full of rage and warrior soul.

There are two Eddie Vedders. One is quiet, shy, barely audible when he speaks. Loving and loved in return. The other is tortured, a bitter realist, a man capable of pointing out injustice and waging that war on the home front, inside himself. On a warm and windy late-spring day in San Rafael, California, it's easy to see which Eddie Vedder is shooting baskets outside the Site, the recording studio where Pearl Jam are finishing their second album. It is tortured Eddie, the one with the deep crease between his eyebrows.

"Your shot," calls Jeff Ament, the group's bassist. He bounces the ball to Vedder, who takes a long outside jumper. It rattles into the basket and rolls away. By the time Ament retrieves the ball, Vedder has already disappeared into the studio. His mind is on a new song, "Rearviewmirror." This is the last day of recording at the Site, and the track's fate hangs in the balance. It's a song about suicide... but it's too "catchy."

The choice of studio seemed perfect back in February, when the band decided to record the new album here. This idyllic studio compound in the hills outside the San Francisco offered privacy and focus. Keith Richards had recorded here; his thank-you note to the studio is framed on the living-room wall. This is gorgeous country, where locals look out at the expansive green horizon and say things like "George Lucas owns everything to the left." This is where Pearl Jam would face the challenge of following up Ten, one of the most successful debut albums in rock. There was only one problem.

"I fucking hate it here," says Vedder, standing in the cool blue room where he is about to sing. "I've had a hard time." He places the lyric sheet on a stand between two turquoise-green guitars. "How do you make a rock record here? Maybe the old rockers, maybe they love this. Maybe they need the comfort and the relaxation. Maybe they need it to make dinner music."

Frustrated, Vedder shakes his head. He pulls at his black T-shirt, uncomfortable in his own skin. A long moment passes. Finally, producer Brendan O'Brien speaks over the intercom. "Ready to give it a shot?"

"Sure," Vedder says quietly, turning his back for the vocal. He slips on headphones, and for a long time the only sound in the room is his tapping foot.

"Took a drive today," he sings. "Time to emancipate/I guess it was the beatings/Made me wise..." He holds a shaking hand to his head. "But I'm not about to give thanks... or apologize." Now listening carefully, his weight shifts from foot to foot. He growls and begins spitting on the floor. "Divided by fear..." Louder now. "Forced to endure/What I could not forgive..." He's bellowing now, eyes shut. "Saw things..." The room is filled with his anger. "Clearer... once you were in my..." Eight feet away, a snare drum leaning against the wall starts to shake. "Rearview... mirrorrr!"

In another part of the building, Ament, the band's resident artist, prepares for a group meeting about the new album cover. For months, the unwritten rule had been don't talk about it. Just make the record. Forget about the pressures on the other side of that hill. But now decisions must be made, and the band slowly gathers in the kitchen to look at Ament's ideas.

"I've been thinking about windows," Ament says, fighting nerves, passing his artwork ideas to the other members. Ament's distinctive hand-scripted style adorns all the group's T-shirts and record releases. On the table before them is a complex collection of his photos and sketches.

Dissident
12-24-2002, 02:41 AM
Rolling Stone 10/28/93
Five Against the World
by Cameron Crowe
PART TWO

"Cool," says Vedder softly, just returned from the studio and still hunched from the emotional vocal. Stone Gossard and Mike McCready, the band's guitarists, study the ideas with growing enthusiasm. Buoyed, Ament continues. He likes the idea of contradiction. Conflicting images. The five members kick the concept around until it sticks. Contradiction. There is the lull that follows a winning idea.

"So are we talking about 'Daughter' as the first single?" drummer Dave Abbruzzese asks casually.

Suddenly, all air leaves the room. The other four members dog pile on Abbruzzese. What single? One meeting at a time! What do you mean, single? Abbruzzese shrugs. Perhaps it's still a little too soon to mention the unmentionable. Soon, the subject returns to the album-cover art. Abbruzzese suggests adding a battered and bolted New York City apartment window to the artwork. The idea is instantly accepted and the meeting ends on an exuberant note. The band disappears to play softball while Brendan O'Brien finishes the mix of "Rearviewmirror."

Abbruzzese stays behind, nursing a sore wrist. (He occasionally suffers from carpal-tunnel syndrome, which causes numbness in three of his fingers.) "To me, when I was younger and I heard about a band selling a million records, I thought the band would get together and jump up and down for at least a minute," he says with a wide-open East Texas laugh, "and just go, 'Wow, I can't believe it.' But it doesn't happen that way [in this band]. Me, I flip out. I jump up and down by myself." For Abbruzzese, who co-wrote the album's opening track, "Go," it's sometimes hard to watch his band mates deal with success. "There's a lot of intensity over decisions," he says cheerfully. "And I think it's great. But every once in a while, I wish everyone would just let it go. Make a bad decision!" He looks out at the same green forest Vedder had raged at earlier. "Look at this place! It's paradise."

Sitting in a downtown-Seattle coffee shop a few weeks later, Stone Gossard analyzes the combustible nature of his band. "I think we're doing fine," he says in the clipped rhythm of an athlete. "I think we made a great record. Nobody's out buying limos and thinking they're the most amazing thing on earth. There's a natural balance in the band where we need each other. Everybody sees things from their own angle, and all those angles are the archetypes of the things you need to really cover your ass. It's what makes a band to me."

And he has heard the criticism of Pearl Jam's success. "If somebody wants to say, 'You guys used to be my favorite band, but you got too big' -- to me, the problem with getting too big is not, innately, you get too big and all of a sudden you stop playing good music," Gossard says. "The problem is, when you get too big, you stop doing the things you used to do. Just being big doesn't mean you can't go in your basement and write a good song. I think people are capable of being a lot bigger on that rad big scale." He laughs. "A lot more people are capable of being big out there that just don't give themselves a chance."

At first, the songs on the new album, Pearl Jam, came in a burst. The initial week of recording at the Site had produced "Rats," "Blood," "Go," and a slow, potent version of their previously unrecorded stage favorite, "Leash." Then the band hit a wall. Vedder disappeared into San Francisco, often sleeping in his truck to preserve his fighting spirit. Hiking, he'd even picked up poison ivy. "He needed to get in the space of his songs," says Ament. "Soon we were back on track."

Pearl Jam is the band's turf statement, a personal declaration of the importance of music over idolatry. But the burden of Pearl Jam's popularity has fallen most solidly on Vedder, who spent much of his off-season wondering about the effects of being in such a high-profile band. Vedder had -- uncharacteristically -- even gotten into a barroom fight defending the band. (In a Waits-like voice, he offers a snippet of an unrecorded song that he has written about it: "Gave myself a black eye/To show off just how I was feeling.") And one night, while sitting out on a deserted coastal sand bluff, contemplating life after the death of a friend, guitarist Stefanie Sargent of 7 Year Bitch, he heard strange voices coming from the hill behind him. They were singing "Black," the fragile song that to Vedder had come to symbolize the overcommercialization of the band. He'd fought to keep it from getting overplayed, didn't want a video made of the song. Vedder hiked out of the bushes to ask the surprised hikers not to sing the song. Months later, he still remembers their odd and concerned looks as they faced the angst-filled author of the song.

"I had a hard time getting away," Vedder says now with a laugh. But as Ament says, the struggle is everything. "The push and pull," he says, "is what makes our band."

* * * *

Dissident
12-24-2002, 02:42 AM
Rolling Stone 10/28/93
Five Against the World
by Cameron Crowe
PART THREE

Let's do 'Black,'" says Gossard.

It's rehearsal time back in Seattle, June 1993. Later in the summer, Pearl Jam will do a brief "fun" tour of Europe, opening shows for Neil Young and U2, and the band has rented out the downtown Moore Theater for practice. Half-seriously, Gossard asks that the stage lights of the empty theater be darkened. (They are.) He begins strumming the simple chords that open this anguished song to a former lover. Then, hands in pockets, Vedder eases into the words. He gives himself, wrenchingly, to a thousand empty seats. When it's over, there is a buzz in the air. The band is clearly energized.

Soon Pearl Jam are racing with a new riff by Gossard. Abbruzzese tries a few different feels, locks in on one with Ament. Then McCready adds a spitfire lead. Like McCready himself, his playing is quietly expressive marked by sudden explosions. Now Vedder joins in, trying random lyrics ("When it comes to modern times/You're standing in line"). His omnipresent yellow-tweed suitcase, the one filled with journals and lyrics and masks and tapes, is open and spread out onstage. He selects phrases and thoughts as the band blazes behind him. Before long, they've honed loose versions of two new songs. At the heart of Pearl Jam is the relationship between Gossard and Vedder. "I consider us to be very different people," says Gossard, whose razor-edged wit is far different from Vedder's deadpan irony. "Almost polarized in a lot of ways. I mean, name any given issue, and we'll take opposite sides of it. We give each other the total different end of the spectrum so we can always somehow find the middle. My goal, what I really want to achieve, is not to need him. Because he is needed by so many people who don't really understand him."

Later, Vedder grabs a pitcher of beer at a bar next door, the Nightlite, and unwinds from the rehearsal. He reflects on singing "Black" for the first time in months. "There are certain songs that come from emotion," he says. "It's got nothing to do with melody or timing or even words; it has to do with the emotion behind the song. You can't put out 50 percent. You have to sing them from a feeling. Like 'Alive' and 'Jeremy' to this day - and 'Black.' Those songs, they tear me up."

Ament is sitting next to him. The two have not been out together socially since the 1992 Lollapalooza tour. They share the easy camaraderie of music lovers. "My relationship with the band," Vedder says, "began as a love affair on the phone with Jeff." Soon the two musicians are recalling the early history of Pearl Jam, the scuffling days of only two and a half years ago.

It had all begun with an unassuming tape marked "Stone Gossard Demos 91." The guitar-god magazines have only recently discovered it, but most Pearl Jam songs began life as a Gossard riff. One of his early favorites was a song called "Dollar Short," an unfinished track that he'd started working on back when he and bassist Ament were in Mother Love Bone. Love Bone was the promising Seattle hard-rock band they'd formed after the breakup of their previous group, grunge pioneers Green River. When Love Bone singer/songwriter Andrew Wood died in 1990 of a tragic heroin overdose, Ament -- the Montana-born son of a barber -- downshifted, playing around town with a group called the War Babies and returning to his other love, graphic arts. Gossard -- a Seattle native whose father is a lawyer -- barely put down his guitar, playing constantly, moving away from the trippy atmospherics of Love Bone and toward a hard-edged groove. Part of the new blueprint was "Dollar Short." Eventually Gossard called in McCready, an explosive lead guitarist who had been so bummed out by the breakup of his own Seattle band, Shadow, that he'd started turning into a Republican -- literally. He'd cut his hair, was working in a video store and was reading a book by archconservative Barry Goldwater. "I was becoming a staunch conservative," McCready says, "because I was so depressed." Gossard saw him more as his new secret weapon for the band he wanted to form.

"Whatever you're playing," says Gossard, " 'Cready comes in and lights the fuse."

As the Seattle sound started to gather momentum around them -- Nirvana were about to enter the major-label arena, Sub Pop Records was flourishing -- Gossard and McCready jammed in the attic room of Gossard's parents' house. That room had already been the musical hothouse for Green River and Mother Love Bone. When Ament joined the Gossard-McCready jams, inspiration struck again. "I knew we had a band," McCready says, "when we started playing that song 'Dollar Short.'"

Dave Krusen joined the band later, playing on Ten, but soon left to deal with some domestic problems. He was replaced by Abbruzzese, who had been playing in a funk band and co-hosting a radio show, "Music We Like," in Houston. At first, Abbruzzese was tentative about playing rock full time; after two shows, he'd tattooed Ament's stick-figure Pearl Jam logo on his shoulder.

Today, listening to Gossard's original '91 demos is not unlike hearing Ten without the vocals -- powerful but incomplete. The missing piece, it turned out, was in San Diego. Originally from Evanston, Illinois, Vedder -- better known on the San Diego music scene as "the guy who never slept" -- had brought a Midwestern work ethic to the sunny beach community. Working at hyperspeed, laboring days at a petroleum company to finance his budding career as a singer and song-writer, Vedder had befriended Jack Irons, formerly of the Red Hot Chili Peppers. Irons passed along Gossard's tape.

Dissident
12-24-2002, 02:43 AM
Rolling Stone 10/28/93
Five Against the World
by Cameron Crowe
PART FOUR

The demo tape from Seattle contained five instrumentals, Vedder remembers, but there was something about that one song, the one with that great bridge, that was triggering things that Vedder had kept long contained. It all came to a head one morning in the fog as he was surfing, the morning "Dollar Short" became a song called "Alive."

Vedder raced back to the Mission Beach apartment of his longtime girlfriend, Beth Liebling. Working from yellow Post-it pads lifted from his job, Vedder taped himself singing over three of the instrumentals. Together the three songs told a story, as Vedder recalls today, "based on things that had happened, and some I imagined." The "mini opera" tape was carefully designed by Vedder, the graphics Xeroxed at work and the package entitled "Mamasan."

Sitting in his apartment in Seattle, Ament listened to the tape three times and picked up a phone. "Stone," he said, "you better get over here."

By the time Vedder arrived in Seattle, he'd already written "Black." All he'd requested in his earlier, lengthy phone conversations with Ament was not to waste time. He wanted to come straight from the airport -- right to their rehearsal room -- and make music. And that is what happened. The first song they played together was "Alive." Within a week, they were a fully functioning band. And Vedder's creative floodgates were wide open. Most of his songs, from "Why Go" to "Oceans," were real stories about people he knew. Some of them contained riddles, private messages to himself or friends. Even the lyrics printed on Ten are only partial, but it's hard to dispute the pain in his delivery of such aching lines as "Daddy didn't give attention/To the fact that Mommy didn't care."

"I don't know where all those songs came from," says Ament. "I know a little about his childhood. I know he loved [The Who's] Quadrophenia... I guess I don't know many details."

"Alive" set the tone for everything that would follow. The first song on Ten was also the first song to bring attention to the band. It was clearly Vedder's creative breakthrough, and the band's initial video celebrated a cathartic live performance of the song. In an early Los Angeles Times review, writer Chris William had even compared the song to The Who's "My Generation." Today, "Alive" is a Gen X rallying cry, but tonight, sitting in the Nightlite, Vedder reveals the true meaning of the song.

"Everybody writes about it like it's a life-affirmation, thing -- I'm really glad about that," he says with a rueful laugh. "It's a great interpretation. But 'Alive' is... it's torture. Which is why it's fucked up for me. Why I should probably learn how to sing another way. It would be easier. It's... it's too much."

Vedder continues: "The story of the song is that a mother is with a father and the father dies. It's an intense thing because the son looks just like the father. The son grows up to be the father, the person that she lost. His father's dead, and now this confusion, his mother, his love, how does he love her, how does she love him? In fact, the mother, even though she marries somebody else, there's no one she's ever loved more than the father. You know how it is, first loves and stuff. And the guy dies. How could you ever get him back? But the son. He looks exactly like him. It's uncanny. So she wants him. The son is oblivious to it all. He doesn't know what the fuck is going on. He's still dealing, he's still growing up. He's still dealing with love, he's still dealing with the death of his father. All he knows is 'I'm still alive' -- those three words, that's totally out of burden."

Elvis' "Suspicious Minds" blasts on the jukebox as Vedder continues. "Now the second verse is 'Oh she walks slowly into a young man's room... I can remember to this very day... the look... the look.' And I don't say anything else. And because I'm saying, 'The look, the look' everyone thinks it goes with 'on her face.' It's not on her face. The look is between her legs. Where do you go with that? That's where you came from."

"But I'm still alive. I'm the lover that's still alive. And the whole conversation about 'You're still alive, she said' And his doubts: 'Do I deserve to be? Is that the question?' Because he's fucked up forever! So now he doesn't know how to deal with it. So what does he do, he goes out killing people -- that was [the song] 'Once.' He becomes a serial killer. And 'Footsteps,' the final song of the trilogy [it was released as a U.K. B side to 'Jeremy'], that's when he gets executed. That's what happens. The Green River killer... and in San Diego, there was another prostitute killer down there. Somehow I related to that. I think that happens more than we know. It's a modern way of dealing with a bad life."

Then he smiles as he says, "I'm just glad I became a songwriter."

Sitting next to Vedder, Ament listens like a fascinated brother. Perhaps he is remembering the first impressions Vedder made upon arriving in Seattle. Friends from his early days up north recall a different Vedder from today, a desperately shy surfer, a guy with a lot of heart and little irony. One friend even called him Holy Eddie. "He was genuinely quiet and loving Eddie when we first met him," says Ament. In the band's earliest shows, Vedder had been so self-effacing, he barely looked up. "And at a certain point, he changed."

An early turning point came onstage at a club called Harpo's, in Victoria, British Columbia. It was Pearl Jam's maiden tour, their first appearance away from a nurturing audience of Seattle friends. But this Canadian crowd was far more interested in getting drunk. In midset, Vedder decided to challenge the jaded audience, to wake them up. Unscrewing the 12-pound steel base of the microphone stand, Vedder sent it flying over their heads, like a lethal Frisbee. The steel disk crashed into the wall of the back bar.

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12-24-2002, 02:44 AM
Rolling Stone 10/28/93
Five Against the World
by Cameron Crowe
PART FIVE

They woke up.

Vedder would never fully be the same. Gossard credits the influence of Soundgarden's Chris Cornell, who had asked Vedder to sing on his tribute to Andrew Wood, Temple of the Dog. "Cornell had already transformed himself in an intense way," Gossard says. "Eddie looked to him as a guide to help us through that time."

Vedder soon developed a new stage habit. He began climbing the stage scaffolding or the wings of the theaters the band was playing, falling into the hands of an often worshipful crowd. "I think the first time I got really worried, we were in Texas," recalls McCready. "Eddie climbed up on this girder, about 50 feet in the air. Nobody knew where he was. And all of a sudden you look up -- some guy had a flashlight on him -- and it was like 'Fuck!' He's up there clinging to a girder. I'm thinking, 'This guy is insane, but I'm so totally pumped.'"

"That whole thing almost turned into a circus event," adds Ament. "People weren't looking at his eyes when he was doing that. I think they were looking at the fucking freak, you know. The guy who was dumb enough to put his life on the line. Evel Knievel. But if you looked at his eyes, man, there was an intensity in what he was doing. That was his belief in himself. He was saying, 'This isn't just "rock" to me.'"

The band returned from a European tour and taped a stirring edition of Unplugged. There was a particularly galvanizing, unforgettable moment at the end of "Black." "We belong... together... together," Vedder sang. It was simple, a guy sitting on a stool, ripping his heart out, drowning emotionally, right there in front of you. After Unplugged, letters to the band's Ten Club almost doubled, many were about "Black," and they began in an eerily similar fashion: "I was recently considering suicide, and then I heard your music..."

Vedder answered many of the letters himself, sometimes leaving the band's office in a wreck. But there was more work to be done. Almost immediately, the band returned to Europe to play some of the big summer festivals in front of 30,000 to 50,000 people. It was trial by fire.

"The whole thing culminated in Denmark," says Ament. "The Danish, I think, were playing Italy in the World Cup, so the city was crazed. Nirvana was playing there, and they were dealing with their fame, too. We played the show in front of 70,000 people. Eddie went into the crowd, like he usually does, and he came back, and the security didn't know who he was. They started beating him up. Half the band went down. This was during 'Deep.' I remember we stopped, and I was ready to jump down, seeing this total riot happen... and Eddie and Eric [Johnson, tour manager], they're totally swinging. And Mike's down there, and Dave's down there."

The previous night in Stockholm, Sweden, Vedder explains, the band had played a longer show than usual. A group of Americans had reportedly broken into the dressing room and, among other things, stolen Vedder's lyrics and journals. He had intended to give them away at the end of the tour, just as he'd done on an earlier European visit (with a backpack personalized by handwritten accounts of each show). But the theft weighed on him; it felt like a breach of trust, a bad omen. For Vedder, it was a metaphor for the growing success of Pearl Jam. The band about which Ament had once written, "Add water, watch Pearl Jam grow," was growing wildly, far beyond the small-scale plans for a small-scale debut. "It made us feel like playing those huge shows maybe wasn't as important as we thought it was," says Ament. "We packed our bags, and we left the next morning."

Sitting in the Nightlite, Ament and Vedder recall the bruising end to that 1991 tour. The band had seen their unassuming debut album, Ten, sell into the millions. Only Billy Ray Cyrus had kept them from the No. 1 slot, thankfully saving at least one achievement for later. Pearl Jam had been designed for a slow build. Instead, they were strapped to the rocket. The band held numerous meetings: "Where do we draw the line?" The line was drawn at "Black." Eddie Vedder refused to turn the song into a video, wouldn't listen to the corporate coaching that told him the track was, as Vedder puts it, "bigger than 'Jeremy', bigger than you or me." Vedder held firm, and the band backed him up.

"Some songs," he says, "just aren't meant to be played between Hit No. 2 and Hit No. 3. You start doing those things, you'll crush it. That's not why we wrote songs. We didn't write to make hits. But those fragile songs get crushed by the business. I don't want to be a part of it. I don't think the band wants to be part of it."

The subject soon turns to video, and Ament describes a recent encounter with Mark Eitzel from the group American Music Club. Ament and McCready jammed with the band in Seattle, but within 30 seconds of conversation, Eitzel took the opportunity to challenge Ament on the "Jeremy" video. "I liked your hit," he'd told Ament, co-author of the song, "but the video sucked. It ruined my vision of the song."

The exchange stuck with Ament. "Ten years from now," he tells Vedder, 'I don't want people to remember our songs as videos."

Vedder agrees. He promises that the new album will be released before any videos. "I don't even have MTV," he says with a shrug. "I don't know why I'm commenting. People stop me in the streets and tell me about this band Stone Temple Pilots. I don't even know who they are. I'm buying a sandwich, and they go, 'What's going on with the Stone Temple Pilots?'"

"You haven't seen the video?" asks Ament. "You have to have seen it."

"I haven't," he says. "I don't have MTV."

Ament tells Vedder about the "Plush" video, with the singer's uncanny appropriation of Vedder's mannerisms. Vedder's heard it before. In fact, he hears it daily. From fans, from friends, even from a French musician who complimented him on the song and his new short orange hair. (Vedder's hair is still longish and brown.)

"Apparently, it's something that the guy is dealing with, too," Vedder suggests. "It's like, am I supposed to feel sympathy? Get your own trip, man. I don't think I was copping anybody's trip. I wasn't copping Andy Wood's trip. I wasn't copping Kurt Cobain's trip, even though Kurt Cobain's one of the best trips I could ever cop. But Beth and I were part of the San Diego scene. We knew everything that was going on, and it was small enough to know. Those guys came from there? I never heard of 'em." End of subject.

For several more hours, Vedder and Ament reminisce over the strange daze of the last few years. Vedder admits to Ament that it's no longer as easy, the stage appearances are tougher now. It's harder, he says, to gear up to sing the songs the way that they must be sung. And although Vedder is only an occasional drinker, he has taken to slugging at a bottle of red wine onstage. When the conversation turns to the late Andrew Wood, though, Vedder becomes reflective.

"I wonder about Andy," he says. "I relate sometimes. Not the drug part -- I don't need drugs to make my life tragic -- but the fact that things were going so well for him. He didn't know." Vedder pauses. "There's one song of his that I'd be proud to sing. I won't tell you which one. But there was one song of his that always got to me. Someday I'm going to sing it."

Vedder excuses himself to visit the restroom. Ament shakes his head "First time I heard that," he says with a private smile.

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12-24-2002, 02:45 AM
Rolling Stone 10/28/93
Five Against the World
by Cameron Crowe
PART SIX

It's 2am now, a chilly night in June. Ament and Vedder stand shivering on the corner outside the Moore Theater. Neither seems anxious for the night to end. Fingering their car keys, they continue talking under the darkened marquee. Tonight is Grad Night in Seattle. Last call barflies and late night prom couples brush past them on the street, no one recognizing the two musicians, save for one woozy grad in a crimson tuxedo. For a few minutes, he stands watching them from nearby, softly repeating a drunken mantra to himself. "Eddie, Eddie, Eddie, Eddie, Eddie," he says and then moves on.

"I don't know if it was the beer or the company or what," Ament remarks, "but I got to a place tonight I hadn't been in a long time."

"Me, too," says Vedder. "So much has changed around here."

"There's going to be a point where it'll revert back to the way that it was," says Ament. "We'll get through this whole period right now. We'll get back out there playing. We'll get back to actually being five guys who want to work it out together."

Vedder thrusts his hands deep into his pockets. "I'd really like that," he says.

The two band mates stand in the dark for another 10 minutes, talking about Oliver Stone, about Reservoir Dogs, about attitudes in the band and sexism on the road, about their pride in the new songs and about Vedder's ultimate meltdown plan. He can always sell solo cassettes out of his house for $1.50. Finally the cold overtakes them.

"See you tomorrow," says Ament, heading for the parking lot across the street.

"Wait," says Vedder, "I'll go with you."

* * * *

"Fuck you," yells a chorus of fans near the front. There is little poetry in the Italian crowd. Forty thousand fill this Roman soccer stadium today, but there isn't much they're interested in seeing outside of the group on the ticket -- U2.

"Fuck me?" repeats Vedder, out on the lip of the stage. "Tell you what -- you fuck me, and Bono will fuck you!"

The band launches into "Even Flow" and attempts to build a consensus, good or bad, anything. The struggle for acceptance ends in a draw. This is one of the few countries in the world not to have fallen under the Pearl Jam spell and the band feels the chill in its first of two shows opening for U2's Zooropa '93 road extravaganza. It would be easy to write this audience off as lackadaisical, but within seconds of leaving the stage, the Zooropa DJ spins Queen's "Another One Bites the Dust," and the entire stadium thunders along in beat, instantly.

Back in the dressing room, the band mills about, somberly picking at food. Abbruzzese already has a game plan for tomorrow: "I'm gonna lower the drum riser so I can see the audience. I'm gonna connect with those people."

Within a few minutes, Vedder emerges upbeat and finds some American fans. "I wish we'd played a club here," he tells them, signing some shirts. He and Beth Liebling head out to the mixing platform to watch U2 with the rest of the band. Before long, a cluster of super- and semi-supermodels position themselves just behind him, clucking and whooping, taking pictures, trying to get his attention. Vedder remains fixed on the spectacle ahead. Finally one of the models manages an introduction to him. She speaks earnestly to him, shaking his hand. Vedder nods politely, turning back to the show. Total time investment -- three seconds.

Later the band rides the tour bus back to the hotel. Stuck in traffic, a crowd of Italian fans discovers the bus and strains to look inside. Their expression is unmistakable. "Oh," they seem to say, "it's the other band." But still they stare, as if looking inside a fish-bowl. "Wish we'd played a club date here," says Vedder to no one in particular.

The conversation turns to Neil Young and the upcoming show with him in Dublin, Ireland. The band is soon talking about its next chance to jam with Young on "Rockin' in the Free World" But even this venerable topic is soon exhausted, and still the Roman faces stare inside the windows of the stalled bus. It's unsettling. It is as if Zoo TV has gone off the air, and the test pattern is Pearl Jam.

Until about a month before its release, the album was going to be titled Five Against One. The name comes up during a meeting in a hotel room in Rome as the band approves the final mixes of the record. There are already rumblings from the record company. Can you raise Eddie's vocals? And there is the issue of video. Can we get a decision on a director? And the press interviews. You gotta do some. The answers to the questions are Not really, No and Later. Decisions swirl around them hourly, but Pearl Jam are intent on doing it their own way. The album title feels appropriate. The phrase comes from a new song, "Animal."

"For me, that title represented a lot of struggles that you go through trying to make a record," says Gossard, who picked out the phrase. "Your own independence -- your own soul -- versus everybody else's. In this band, and I think in rock in general the art of compromise is almost as important as the art of individual expression. You might have five great artists in the band, but if they can't compromise and work together, you don't have a great band. It might mean something completely different to Eddie. But when I heard that lyric, it made a lot of sense to me."

It's now Day 2 in Rome. Vedder sits at the top of the stadium bleachers on this blazingly hot afternoon in July. He wears a tourist shirt that says I x GRUNGE. He is rather anonymous in this country, and it agrees with him. "The whole success thing, I feel like everybody else in the band is a lot happier with it than me," he says. "Happy-go-lucky. They kind of roll with it. They enjoy it, even. I can't seem to do that. It's not that I think I'm better than it. I don't know. I'm just not that happy a person." He shrugs. "I'm just not. What I enjoy is seeing music, getting to watch. Watching Neil Young. Or I get to watch Sonic Youth from the side of the stage. That's what's been nice for me. "Music is an incredibly powerful medium to deliver a story by. But the best thing is, you have to have volume. You're supposed to play it loud. I would do anything to be around music. You don't even have to pay me."

Vedder confesses having some recent difficulties in writing for Pearl Jam. As Gossard had pointed out earlier, the other band members now call him their spokesperson, and with that comes a certain Eddie ethic. Vedder works hard with manager Kelly Curtis to keep ticket prices low and to police the powerful promotion machine of Sony Music. But therein lies the grand contradiction. The artists he most admires are the very ones who have turned their backs on the machinery of big-time rock -- like Henry Rollins and Ian MacKaye of Fugazi.

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12-24-2002, 02:46 AM
Rolling Stone 10/28/93
Five Against the World
by Cameron Crowe
PART SEVEN

And Vedder, the guy who never slept, still doesn't sleep. "Never have," he says. "Never have, and now I really don't. I have that spasm thing. I wake up and go, 'Aaarrrgh.' I'll get up and start pacing. I'll walk through a room, and the TV's on and my face is on, and I start to freak out. I want to call a friend and say, 'Did I lose my mind? I need perspective.' I talked with Henry Rollins one day. I said, 'Dude, I need some perspective real quick.' And I really felt bad doing it. Because I was calling him up for the same reason kids call me up."

You wonder, of course, if this is all part of Vedder's elaborate defense mechanism. How can you attack the man who attacks himself? How can you doubt the credibility of a man who won an MTV Video Award for "Jeremy" and then told 50 million viewers, "If it wasn't for music, I would have shot myself in front of that classroom." For all his open-wound honesty, there are many mysteries that Vedder still clings to. Even a close band mate like McCready says: "No, I don't know if we've ever had that big, bonding talk yet. Our relationship is still growing. We'll probably have it sometime soon."

Asked about his childhood, Vedder plays it close to his chest. He tells an anecdote about waiting tables back in Chicago. He tells of moving to San Diego and buying beanbag chairs and his first bad stereo. He tells of bootlegging shows, something he still does with a pocket-size microrecorder. All perfect sound bites for populist myth making, but when confronted with questions about his childhood, Vedder becomes vague. Of his earliest memories, he says only, "I'm confused. I'm mixed up about everything. I don't know what's happening now."

He still answers fan mail, though less frequently, and tour manager Eric Johnson sometimes visits the Seattle office late at night to find Vedder calling back troubled fans. But as Vedder had carefully told one fan in San Francisco after a show: "I'm really not in your head, I'm not thinking all your private thoughts." The fan had looked so disappointed. Vedder, in turn, has learned the public effect of writing well about damaged personalities.

"I was surprised and a little upset that so many people did relate," says Vedder. "Everyone's fucked up. Actually, now I understand those religious channels more. Everybody needs something." He pauses for a long time. "There should be no messiahs in music. The music itself, the music, I don't mind worshiping that. I've done that. And with that comes a little bit of admiration for the people who make it -- or awe or whatever -- but I never asked for nose hair from Pete Townshend."

Back in Rome, on the second day, Pearl Jam offer a combative performance. "I'll meet you back here at a club next time," Vedder says, to sprinkled applause. Later, he begins to goad them, telling them their stadium was built for soccer, not music. And below a neon Zoo TV sign, he playfully taunts further, "Are we animals?" Let it never be said that Vedder doesn't enjoy the fine taste of the hand feeding him. His green T-shirt contains today's gaffer-taped message: PAUL IS DEAD. (Look up Bono's real name.) The set closes with Vedder donning a huge fly mask, dancing as if caught in a web. It is Pearl Jam's own lo-fi answer to Zoo TV. Not many fans here get it, but one who does is Bono, who watches curiously from the pit.

Bono responds later that night, onstage. "So you can't play music in a soccer stadium," he muses. "Well, if you do, it better be good music..." But before the set is over, he hails Pearl Jam as "a great rock & roll band" And Vedder, Liebling and Ament will stay up all night with Bono and the Edge, talking passionately in a diner, debating the issue of the day, the emotional exchange rate on success. And at 6am, there are Vedder and Ament exchanging hugs with Bono on an empty Roman street, arriving at the bus just in time for the trip to Dublin.

"I got all my questions answered," Ament confides. In the course of the dates with U2, he had discussed the hugeness vs. purity issue with all four members of that band. "And they basically told us this: 'We used to be like you. We used to be anti-anti... We used to be angry. But we love technology, like you love what you love. Next tour we might only play 3,000-seat halls. But this is where we are today. Ten years from now, you tell us where you are.'"

Today In Dublin, the day before Pearl Jam play before an estimated 50,000 at nearby Slane Castle, Abbruzzese stands and watches as thirty or so young Dubliners sing resolutely to street-busking versions of "Black" and "State of Love and Trust." Abbruzzese is grinning, handing out flowers on Grafton Street, playing with street kids. "Gone is the bleachy sunshine of Italy. In its place is rain... pale faces... romantic beery arguments in the street... it feels like home.

Elsewhere, there are rumors that McCready has fallen off the wagon, running naked through the streets of Dublin late the night before. McCready, shopping for bootleg tapes today, does not confirm or deny this behind his reflector shades. "I love this place," he says.

Backstage the next day at the show, there are few of the trappings of big-time rock. No open bar, no stereo rack pumping psych-up music, no bodyguards, no supermodels. Just Vedder talking about why he couldn't care less.

"I'm embarrassed for some of the 'veterans' of music," he says. "They had their original [macho] image, and they're still hanging on to it. The sex thing, they're still working it. This-dude-looks-like-your-grandpa kind of thing -- it's so silly, it kinda makes you sick. These guys are still using the ancient version of what's sexy, the bikinis and tongues. It's over. I relate to the people that are coming up now, and that's not there. That's long gone."

Vedder's relationship with Liebling, a writer, is the strongest one in his life. They've been together nine years. Perhaps soon, he says, they'll be married. And when it's time to start a family, he predicts he'll be a devoted parent. He cites Michael Jordan's father, then still alive, as a perfect example. "The ultimate parent is if they've made a decision to have kids, that means they're going to give someone else a chance, and they're going to do whatever they can to boost that kid up so he can really shine," he says. "I feel like, in the last 20 years, that's been drained out of parenthood. I'm into real life. I'm into getting the most out of real life."

Sitting now in the shadow of the 200-year-old Slane Castle, the hazy sun shining on his face, Vedder is asked about his own youth. What about his father?

"I never knew my real dad," he says. "I had another father that I didn't get along with, a guy I thought was my father. There were fights and bad, bad scenes. I was kind of on my own at a pretty young age. I never finished high school."

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12-24-2002, 02:47 AM
Rolling Stone 10/28/93
Five Against the World
by Cameron Crowe
PART EIGHT

He was Eddie Mueller then. After moving briefly to San Diego, both his parents had returned to Chicago. Vedder, who subsequently took his mother's maiden name, had stayed behind to pursue his career in music. There was a rough goodbye to his stepfather. They haven't spoken since. Later, Vedder was living in San Diego when his mother visited from Chicago with some important news for him.

"She came out with the specific purpose," he says, "to tell me that this guy wasn't my father. I remember at the time I was like 'I know he's not my father, he's a fucking asshole.' And she said, 'Oh, Eddie, he's really not your father.'"

"At first I was pretty happy about it, then she told me who my real dad was. I had met the guy three or four times, he was a friend of the family, kind of a distant friend. He died of multiple sclerosis. So when I met him, he was in the hospital. He had crutches, or maybe he was in a wheelchair."

Vedder plays with his ripped-out shoe. Somehow, a half-world away, the words flow easily as he recalls, as he puts it, "the day I found out."

"There was a piano in the room," he goes on, "and I remember really wishing I knew how to play a happy song. I was happy for about a minute, and then I came down. I had to deal with the fact that he was dead. My real father was not on this earth. I had to deal with the anger of not being told sooner, not being told while he was alive. I was a big secret. Secrets are bad news. Secrets about adoption, any of that stuff. It's got to come out, don't keep it. It just gets bigger and darker and deeper and uglier and messy.

"Musically, I tried to think if I had a goal, what it was, and I think more than anything it was to leave something for my kid, if I had one to listen to. I'm actually a junior. My real name is something-something the third." Fans can find it in the song credits to "Alive," on Ten.

Vedder's biological father, it turned out, was a musician himself, an organist-vocalist who sang in restaurants. Once Vedder knew the truth about his heritage, other relatives stepped forward.

"There were all these things they wanted to say," he recalls, "like 'That's where you got musical talent,' and I was like 'Fuck you.' At the time, I was 14 or 15, I didn't even know what the fuck was going on. I learned how to play guitar, saved all my money for equipment, and you're telling me that's where it came from? Some fucking broken-down old lounge act? Fuck you."

Vedder says this quietly, but time has barely mellowed his emotions. It's no surprise that Quadrophenia, The Who's 1973 classic tale of disaffected English youth, was Vedder's Catcher in the Rye. (He once told an interviewer, "I should be sending Pete Townshend cards for Father's Day.") Music saved his life, he says, but the turbulence of Vedder's youth still fuels the music. It's a painful circle. "My folks are very proud of me now," he says, "and again, I'm thankful that they've given me a lifetime's worth of material to write about."

(Recently, a meeting with his real father's cousin left Vedder with a sense of closure. "The strange thing," he says, "is that there are so many similarities between my father and I. He had no impact on my life, but here I am. I look just like him. People in my family -- they can't help it -- they look at me like I'm a replacement. That's where 'Alive' comes in." He pauses. "But I'm proud of the guy now. I appreciate my heritage. I have a very deep feeling for him in my heart.")

Have fun with it. You hear the phrase often around Vedder. He rarely has a response. Have fun with it. Certainly, his rock dreams are coming true: to sing "Masters of War" at the Bob Dylan tribute concert last year, to sing with The Doors at the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame and to finally meet his hero Pete Townshend. But to have fun with it, it seems, would put him one step closer to those rock stars in the magazines, the ones flipping their hair, the ones who caused him to write Pearl Jam's defining statement in "Blood" -- "It's my bloooood."

It's way too late to be Fugazi, and Vedder knows it. Still, Pearl Jam offer fans a challenge: Bootleg us if you can, take our album, pass the music around, don't glorify us. Vedder long ago traded away the brown thrift-store jacket given him by Gossard, the one remade and marketed by the fashion industry as a $1000 piece of grunge wear. The band no longer condones stage diving for safety reasons, and even Vedder's scaffold climbing appears to be history. He offers an interesting perspective:

"That climbing happened out of me saying 'Look this is how extreme I feel about this situation. This is how fucking intense I'm taking this moment.' You can't do that for long, because what they really want to see is, they want you to chop your fucking arm off, hold up your arm, wave it around spewing blood, and believe me, if you did that, the crowd would go fucking ballistic. You only get four good shows like that, though. Four good shows, and then you're just a torso and a head, trying to get one of your band mates to give you one last hurrah and chop your head off. Which they probably wouldn't do, which would really be hell.

"But," Vedder says with a laugh, "they'd say, 'Sing from your diaphragm, at least you still have that going for you.'"

The Dublin audience is fiercely awake, fueled by anger and ale. Van Morrison performs to the hometown crowd, and he is greeted like a beloved uncle. He is offstage only a few minutes before the audience, in anticipation of Pearl Jam, surges to the front. "I love some kind of pressure in the air," says McCready, peering out at the boiling mass of Irish fans. "Some kind of weirdness in the crowd, good or bad. That's what we thrive on."

Pearl Jam take the stage, and the crowd packs closer, straining the barriers. It's brutal down in front, and security is already pulling the semiconscious out one by one, before a note is even played. Vedder walks on in a gorilla mask, pulls it off and hurls himself into "Why Go."

It is a crowd happily perched on the edge of danger and today they get the best out of Pearl Jam. Onstage, the band is narrowly missing each other as they all, in different ways, leap for joy, pogoing and twirling, just missing each other's skulls with the instruments. The volatile crowd does not scare Vedder; he's seriously singing to those serious faces listening to him the way he listened to The Who -- with their whole lives attached. He stands on the edge of the stage, just watching them, and turns to share it with Liebling, who catches it all on Super 8.

It's the show they've been waiting for, a glimpse of the future. "If it all ends tomorrow," Abbruzzese says, "I will be the happiest fucking gas-station attendant you ever saw."

Best of all, Pearl Jam are no longer a band with only one very, very big album to their credit. "There's no school to go to for some of the weird shit that happens," says Vedder. "The fucking weirdness of it all. But some of these guys, they can help out a bit. Bob Dylan's advice was 'Go to Dublin.' I wrote him a postcard today."

"It said, 'Made it.'"

Dissident
12-24-2002, 02:49 AM
Alright that was REALLLLLLLLLLY long, but its so damn interesting!!
Its worth the read. :)

I hope you like the present. :D And for the ones who are not interested, Im sorry. It went longer than I thought it would. :p

So, now a wonderful Christmas everyone! :wavey:
Ill drop by sometime tomorrow to post the whole group gift. ;)
BYE BYE!

RogiFan
12-24-2002, 02:56 AM
:) Hola, everyone! Check out this little greeting from Juanqui:


http://www.jcferrero.net/indexbienvenidos/indexbienvenidos.htm

;) Click on the card.

Hi Diss:

Glad your back is better now -- hope you're better for Christmas! :D

TennisHack
12-24-2002, 02:59 AM
Originally posted by Rebecca
WTAworld is a cult!

Cult I tell you!

LMAO. I agree, of course, but it's still funny :D

TennisHack
12-24-2002, 03:01 AM
Originally posted by RogiFan
So does this mean that ESPN will no longer show these tournaments?? What does that mean for we lowly Canadian viewers???? We better get these on TV up here or I'll be fuming!!! So when does this channel officially start anyway? :confused:

May NOT be good news for Cdns... :mad:

I don't think ESPN is going to lose its rights to whatever parts of the tournies they broadcast -- the Tennis Channel is only starting out in 38% of homes and that's not enough to cancel tennis coverage on other channels completely. I don't know when it's supposed to start, officially, but sometime before the first European TMS, I guess!!

TennisHack
12-24-2002, 03:07 AM
Originally posted by Dissident
Anyway, about my back, its getting better, but i still have some problems to stay in the same position for too long. So, I had to back up from the internet. :( No msn mainly. It keeps me around too much.

I did find some amusing things on the internet, though, as I didnt spend much time on message boards.

One of the things I found is my christmas present to Layla and TH ;) I MISS YOU BOTH!! :sad:
It will be posted now. I thought it was a "pearl" lol

Oh, I missed you! :( I was making another batch of cookies specifically so I could be around later when you might be. But if you've sworn off MSN, well ;) But I understand :)

So glad to hear that you're feeling better. I hope you get better as the week goes on -- feeling bad is no way to be over the holidays.

I MISS YOU & LAYLA, TOO!! :( :sad:

I'll read the lovely article. It is long, but what else do I have to do? ;)

Leo7
12-24-2002, 03:18 AM
Originally posted by TennisHack
Leo & Emma, sounds like you two are set for Christmas. :) I finally finished my wrapping, but I still have a few batches of cookies to make. We're going to be swimming in cookies by the time I'm finished :D

lol i haven't even started wrapping presents yet. i always wait until the last minute.. so i guess tomorrow i'll be wrapping all day long :p

mmmmmmm can i try a cookie? :lick:

Leo7
12-24-2002, 03:22 AM
Originally posted by Lee
Hi Becca & TH! :wavey:

Have you finish wrapping, TH?

The weather is miserable here. It's been raining for 3 days now.

oh that's too bad, Lee. do you ever get any snow in Arizona?

we're supposed to have a snowfall in my area Christmas morning! how beautiful would a white Christmas be?! i would love that so much :D

SNOW DANCE! http://www.stopstart.freeserve.co.uk/smilie/hump.gifhttp://www.stopstart.freeserve.co.uk/smilie/hump.gifhttp://www.stopstart.freeserve.co.uk/smilie/hump.gif

Leo7
12-24-2002, 03:26 AM
Hackie has a pm ;)

TennisHack
12-24-2002, 03:28 AM
:wavey: Hi, Leo. I'm just rewatching the Agassi/Ferrero RG QF ;)

Sure, you can have a cookie!! What kind do you want? LOL, I told you we were swimming in them! :D

And I got your PM ;)

Leo7
12-24-2002, 03:38 AM
Originally posted by TennisHack
Here's the companies that have picked up the Tennis Channel :)


April 22, 2002

KALAMAZOO -- A television sports executive involved in a start-up venture called The Tennis Channel is the latest alumnus of Western Michigan University's marketing program to be honored for his accomplishments.

Randy B. Brown of Chicago was inducted into the Marketing Alumni Hall of Fame in the Haworth College of Business at a dinner program Friday, April 19, at WMU's Fetzer Center. Brown received the Outstanding Marketing Alumni Award, which recognizes professional accomplishments, community leadership and dedicated service to the University.

Brown is currently senior vice president for The Tennis Channel, a new cable network targeted for launch in November. The channel plans to program tennis tournaments, instruction and news 24 hours a day. His role focuses on licensing the network to the top cable and satellite distributors, including Time Warner, Comcast, Charter and DirecTV.

Previously, Brown worked as North American president of Media Access Technologies, known as MATE, which develops video recognition technologies for channel navigation, digital asset management and closed-circuit surveillance. Prior to joining MATE, he served as a vice president for the central division of ESPN, where he oversaw domestic distribution of the company's cable networks in 17 states. During his 14-year career with the cable sports network, he held several positions in sales and marketing, and helped launch ESPN2 and ESPNEWS.

"Randy has made a major commitment to WMU and he's given an incredible amount of time at the classroom level," says Dr. Andrew W. Brogowicz, chairperson of the Department of Marketing. "He relates very well to the students and encourages them to pursue their passions, and he dispenses some of the most practical, helpful career advice I've heard. We honor him for his devotion to WMU and his impressive professional accomplishments."

Brown graduated from WMU's marketing program in 1984. He went on to earn an MBA at Loyola University in Chicago, graduating with honors in May 2000. He serves on the WMU faculty as an adjunct assistant professor, speaks frequently at marketing events on campus and is a member of the Haworth College of Business Alumni Society.

shitty news. i'm excited that the european tms tourneys will be covered by the tennis channel (espn has the worst fucking coverage) but i'm not provided by any of those cable companies... i have Cablevision instead. :( well my beach house has Comcast cable but i'm almost never there :( i think i'm gonna cry :sad: i need my tennis channel :sad:

Leo7
12-24-2002, 03:40 AM
:wavey: Hacks. thanks, i would love a cookie. which kinds do you have?

btw, which cable company do you have at home? and have you signed the petition yet at this link: http://www.tennischannelpetition.com/viewsign.php?srt=A

Leo7
12-24-2002, 03:45 AM
Originally posted by RogiFan


So does this mean that ESPN will no longer show these tournaments?? What does that mean for we lowly Canadian viewers???? We better get these on TV up here or I'll be fuming!!! So when does this channel officially start anyway? :confused:

May NOT be good news for Cdns... :mad:

may not be good news for me either.. and all Americans who don't get the tennis channel. we won't have ANY coverage of the European TMS events. :eek: :( :sad:

Leo7
12-24-2002, 03:50 AM
Originally posted by Lee


Sorry for this to happen Scott!

I don't know this dude but it's people like this that drove me off Gotennis and stay away from WTAworld.

Lee, what was your screename on gotennis?

sorry to hear that Scott. i hope those stupid admins at wtaworld get off their lazy asses and ban this jackass. :fiery:

speaking of wtaworld, does anyone know why i haven't been able to recieve an email from them for the past four or five months? i forgot my password and i tried to get them to send it to me by email but it doesn't work.. so since i can't log in, i can't post at all.. i tried starting a new account but that screwed things up even more.. eventually i just gave up trying.. there's really not much for me on wtaworld anyway besides the Lindsay, Mary, and Russia forums.

Leo7
12-24-2002, 03:54 AM
great guga news:

Kuerten plans Wimbledon return in 2003

SAO PAULO, Brazil, Dec 20 (Reuters) - Former world number one Gustavo Kuerten plans to return to Wimbledon in 2003 after two years away from the London grass courts.

Kuerten, who had an erratic year following hip surgery in February, aims to play all the grand slams and Masters Series tournaments as well as some smaller competitions, the Brazilian said in a statement on Friday.

"I'm also going to Wimbledon," the three-time French Open champion said.

"I couldn't play there for two years and, like it or not, it's a grand slam and I miss playing there.

"I'm not a grass specialist but perhaps I can play well there."

Kuerten missed Wimbledon for the second year running in June saying he needed to rest his hip after crashing out of the French Open in the fourth round.

Prior to pulling out of Wimbledon in 2001, Kuerten had expressed his unhappiness over the tournament's seedings policy.

Wimbledon seeds men players according to their performances and ability on grass and not according to the world rankings, a policy that has irritated clay court specialists.

Kuerten's Wimbledon best was a quarter-final spot in 1999 when he lost to Andre Agassi.

:bounce: good luck on the grass, guga :bounce:

Leo7
12-24-2002, 03:57 AM
damn my dad is kicking me off the computer so i have to go :wavey:

i guess i'll take a random cookie from Hackie... ooh it's choclate chip :lick: :lick: thankies :D

TennisHack
12-24-2002, 04:07 AM
LOL, sorry I missed you, Leo. I was typing up my DC comments :)

You picked up a chocolate chip cookie, eh? I make mine with milk chocolates :lick: and you can have one with white chocolates, too :) I'm not greedy ;)

Did you see my reply to RF about the coverage? Tennis just wouldn't be the same without PMac & Cliffy!

Chloe le Bopper
12-24-2002, 06:10 AM
The clay court masters events are my favourite freaking events - it doesn't hurt that they actually SHOW some of my favourite during that time too.

Shit, if they aren't going to show those they might as well not show the fucking French OPen either.

WHo the hell cares about anything aside from Wimbledon and the US open anyhow :rolleyes:

Chloe le Bopper
12-24-2002, 08:44 AM
Those of you who read Scott's rambling about what was happening on wtaworld - to make a long story short he will not be posting here or wtaworld again.

If you wan't to discuss why further, you will have to talk to me off of the board, as it violates their membership agreement for me to explain exactly what has happened.

However, I have started a board myself, at http://rebecca.proboards12.com/index.cgi

I have explained at that board why I did this. I will still post here for a while, but I'd really like it if some of you would join me in the JCF forum there....

RogiFan
12-24-2002, 04:10 PM
Originally posted by TennisHack
LOL, sorry I missed you, Leo. I was typing up my DC comments :)

You picked up a chocolate chip cookie, eh? I make mine with milk chocolates :lick: and you can have one with white chocolates, too :) I'm not greedy ;)

Did you see my reply to RF about the coverage? Tennis just wouldn't be the same without PMac & Cliffy!

Hackie!

We'll just have to keep our fingers crossed! Hope this doesn't mean the regular stations intend to do away w tennis coverage altogether!! :eek:

BTW, I baked chocolate chip shortbread cookies -- but I'd love to try yours! Which reminds me... I'm starving! Need a snack!

;)

Hi Leo and Rebecca!

Leo7
12-24-2002, 04:19 PM
:wavey: RF!

all this talk about cookies and food is making me hungry..

Chloe le Bopper
12-24-2002, 04:19 PM
:wavey: :kiss:

RogiFan
12-24-2002, 04:44 PM
Well it's almost lunchtime and I may sneak a few cookies myself!

http://www.stopstart.freeserve.co.uk/smilie/santa_2.gif

http://www.stopstart.freeserve.co.uk/smilie/rudolf.gif

http://www.stopstart.freeserve.co.uk/smilie/reindeer.gif

HAPPY HOLIDAYS to all you lovely posters -- you've made my last few months so much fun!

Thank you!! :D

Francine
12-24-2002, 05:30 PM
:wavey: Just want to wish everyone a merry X-mas and a very happy new year!

ILR
12-24-2002, 06:21 PM
Hi everyone!:wavey:

merry christmas and a happy new year to you all also :) :bounce: :) :bounce: :) :bounce: :) hope you all have a great few days of this year and many more next year!:D

TennisHack
12-24-2002, 06:24 PM
Originally posted by Rebecca
Those of you who read Scott's rambling about what was happening on wtaworld - to make a long story short he will not be posting here or wtaworld again.

If you wan't to discuss why further, you will have to talk to me off of the board, as it violates their membership agreement for me to explain exactly what has happened.

However, I have started a board myself, at http://rebecca.proboards12.com/index.cgi

I have explained at that board why I did this. I will still post here for a while, but I'd really like it if some of you would join me in the JCF forum there....

I went, I saw, I'm stunned :eek:

We're such a splintered group at the moment that I think I'm going to stay here. If everyone moves over there, then I will, too, but at the moment my resources are pretty stretched. Especially since Layla & Leo want me to join up at GoTennis :o

TennisHack
12-24-2002, 06:27 PM
Originally posted by Leo7
:wavey: RF!

all this talk about cookies and food is making me hungry..

COOKIES FOR EVERYONE! :bounce: That's my gift to you guys :) I have chocolate chip, chocolate cookies with white chips, and candy canes :lick::lick:

ILR
12-24-2002, 06:30 PM
wohoo thanks Hackie!chocolate cookies with white chips sounds soooooo delicious!:lick:

Leo7
12-24-2002, 07:25 PM
Originally posted by Rebecca
Those of you who read Scott's rambling about what was happening on wtaworld - to make a long story short he will not be posting here or wtaworld again.

If you wan't to discuss why further, you will have to talk to me off of the board, as it violates their membership agreement for me to explain exactly what has happened.

However, I have started a board myself, at http://rebecca.proboards12.com/index.cgi

I have explained at that board why I did this. I will still post here for a while, but I'd really like it if some of you would join me in the JCF forum there....

well i just signed up on your forum, however i still plan to post here on a regular basis. from what i saw your forum will be great.. i hope alot of people join :)

Leo7
12-24-2002, 07:25 PM
Originally posted by TennisHack


I went, I saw, I'm stunned :eek:

We're such a splintered group at the moment that I think I'm going to stay here. If everyone moves over there, then I will, too, but at the moment my resources are pretty stretched. Especially since Layla & Leo want me to join up at GoTennis :o

yes, you should join gotennis! :bounce: :bounce:

ILR
12-24-2002, 07:27 PM
hey again just popped out for a bit,but now Im back :D

Leo7
12-24-2002, 07:28 PM
Originally posted by TennisHack


COOKIES FOR EVERYONE! :bounce: That's my gift to you guys :) I have chocolate chip, chocolate cookies with white chips, and candy canes :lick::lick:

ooh you are too generous. i think i'll take a white choclate chip cookie today. :lick: yuuuuuuuuumy :lick:

i've actually never been a fan of candy canes.. only the blueberry flavored ones :o

ILR
12-24-2002, 07:33 PM
Hey Leo :kiss:

Leo7
12-24-2002, 07:34 PM
:wavey: welcome back Emma

:kiss: :kiss: :kiss:

Leo7
12-24-2002, 07:35 PM
so do you have the tradition of Santa Claus (Saint Nick) in England?

ILR
12-24-2002, 07:36 PM
yeah we do,but Im a bit old for that ;) father christmas :plol

Leo7
12-24-2002, 07:42 PM
yeah i think we both are a little old for that.

i see miss mosquito :wavey:

ILR
12-24-2002, 07:45 PM
yeah lol I see her also :) expecting any special prezzies?;)

Leo7
12-24-2002, 07:45 PM
god i'm starving for some tennis. i haven't seen a match since the Masters Cup and that was like a month ago! and i haven't played at all since october! :(

well, at least there is only another 6 days or so until the new season starts. :)

Leo7
12-24-2002, 07:49 PM
any special presents? well i am expecting a couple dvds of Ashley Judd or Hale Berry :drool: and those two matches i ordered on tape :D and prolly some warm winter clothes :o

ILR
12-24-2002, 07:49 PM
oh I watched Hewitt v Federer again it was re run fully on sky sports extra,the shanghai masters :) and :(

TennisHack
12-24-2002, 07:52 PM
Originally posted by Leo7


ooh you are too generous. i think i'll take a white choclate chip cookie today. :lick: yuuuuuuuuumy :lick:

i've actually never been a fan of candy canes.. only the blueberry flavored ones :o

LOL, I meant candy cane cookies. Just red and white dough, they don't taste minty or anything. They're yummy :)

Leo7
12-24-2002, 07:53 PM
oh that was a great match :) just a bad ending :(

i see the Hackster :wavey:

TennisHack
12-24-2002, 07:54 PM
Originally posted by Leo7
god i'm starving for some tennis. i haven't seen a match since the Masters Cup and that was like a month ago! and i haven't played at all since october! :(

well, at least there is only another 6 days or so until the new season starts. :)

It's so hard to believe that tennis starts next week :eek: I still have tons of tapes to watch, I'm still in the first week of the US Open :o But you should rewatch some tapes if you're dying for it.

As for playing, well . . . can't do anything to help you there, unless you can find an indoor court ;)

Leo7
12-24-2002, 07:54 PM
cool, i've never heard of candy cane cookies before. i bet they taste delicious.. may i try one? :)

TennisHack
12-24-2002, 07:55 PM
:wavey: Hey Leo & ILR!

My cable's out so I'm going to be watching my backlogged tapes ;) I haven't found the Jarkko/Juanqui match but I'm hoping I have it . . . somewhere . . . .

Leo7
12-24-2002, 07:55 PM
Layla won't be happy about this:

Rusedski out of Davis Cup

Greg Rusedski has been ruled out of Britain's Davis Cup clash with Australia following foot surgery. Britain captain Roger Taylor, quoted by the BBC, said he was "extremely disappointed", adding: "It is a real blow."

The Lawn Tennis Association announced Rusedski's withdrawal from the world group first-round tie in Sydney in February on its website.

Rusedski said he still hoped to be back in action in January in time for the Australian Open but had made the decision because he did not want to unsettle the Davis Cup team with a last-minute withdrawal.

Reuters

:eek:

TennisHack
12-24-2002, 07:56 PM
Yes, you may :)

ILR
12-24-2002, 07:57 PM
it was an awesome match :D with bad ending,you're right,Hey Hackie :wavey:

Leo7
12-24-2002, 07:59 PM
Originally posted by TennisHack


It's so hard to believe that tennis starts next week :eek: I still have tons of tapes to watch, I'm still in the first week of the US Open :o But you should rewatch some tapes if you're dying for it.

As for playing, well . . . can't do anything to help you there, unless you can find an indoor court ;)

yeah, i have been rewatching some of my tapes (today i was watching the Aussie Open again) but it's just not the same when you already know the outcome.

anyway, do you really have that Jarkko/Juanqui match on tape? where did you get it from?

Leo7
12-24-2002, 08:01 PM
thanks for the cookie.. it's delicious :lick: :lick:

TennisHack
12-24-2002, 08:01 PM
Originally posted by Leo7
anyway, do you really have that Jarkko/Juanqui match on tape? where did you get it from?

Was it not shown on ESPN during Madrid? If not, then I don't have it. But I thought I did.

ILR
12-24-2002, 08:10 PM
did you all know that Scott is banned?

TennisHack
12-24-2002, 08:14 PM
Yes, hence Becca's new board.

ILR
12-24-2002, 08:16 PM
oh :( well anyway its nearly xmas for me and my brother is planning to wake me up at 7:30

TennisHack
12-24-2002, 08:22 PM
LMAO, I just saw the '98 highlights of Kucera vs Agassihole. Agassi was being such a jerk, mocking Karol's ball toss :rolleyes: Both the chair and Agassi's coach looked embarrassed and angry.

Thank God Kucera kicked his ass :D

ILR
12-24-2002, 08:28 PM
lucky you Im subjected to crap xmas TV as usual :rolleyes:

RogiFan
12-24-2002, 08:32 PM
Originally posted by TennisHack
LMAO, I just saw the '98 highlights of Kucera vs Agassihole. Agassi was being such a jerk, mocking Karol's ball toss :rolleyes: Both the chair and Agassi's coach looked embarrassed and angry.

Thank God Kucera kicked his ass :D

Hi Hackie!

Thanks for the cookies!! MMM!

Boy do I remember that match! I esp. remember watching Brad Gilbert cringing in his seat -- what AA put him through! His coaches SHOULD get paid "abuse" money!! :p

But what still bothers me is that NOBODY kicked him off the court for such obviously AA behaviour! Come on!http://www.stopstart.freeserve.co.uk/smilie/alien2.gif

ILR
12-24-2002, 08:35 PM
lol anyway Im going now have a very merry xmas :D :wavey:

RogiFan
12-24-2002, 08:37 PM
Originally posted by IluvRogi
lol anyway Im going now have a very merry xmas :D :wavey:


:D Merry Christmas ILR!! Have a lovely one with your family! See you back soon!!

http://www.stopstart.freeserve.co.uk/smilie/catman.gif

TennisHack
12-25-2002, 12:19 AM
Have a good Christmas, ILR! It's already the 25th in England, no?

LOL, RF, I never saw the match but during one of the numerous rain delays at this year's Open they showed some highlights of it. Agassi gets away with it because he's Agassi :rolleyes: I was rewatching the RG QF with Juanqui yesterday and today, and Juanqui knew his match was called for rain because of Agassi and he practically skipped off court, waving the crowd and whatnot :) So cute :)

I can't wait until he and Pete retire. If for no other reason than so we won't have to watch them on TV and hear PMac drooling over them :rolleyes:

But then . . . would we have to listen to them as commentators?! *shudder*

TennisHack
12-25-2002, 12:21 AM
Aww, a flashback to 1992 and Jimmy Conners receiving a cake on court at the Open :) I have to say, I love our US Open coverage, all these extras and flashbacks like that and of course tons of JohnnyMac :)

Chloe le Bopper
12-25-2002, 01:28 AM
I used to post at Gotennis, and it really sucks :p

But I'm not trying to say "post at my board or else, wahahahah" lol

I was just letting you guys know it was there, and why I created it, and that if I can get enough people to post and get the board going - you know where I will be.

:kiss:

Dissident
12-25-2002, 03:51 AM
Becca, Im still trying to figure all that out. I guess we need to talk on msn when I can go back there. :(

And nobody read my wonderful Christmas Present. :sad:

Anyway, Im REALLY tired. And stuffed. lol
I Neeeeeeed a bed. :D

Gnight and merry christmas everyone again! :wavey:

TennisHack
12-25-2002, 04:40 AM
:eek: NARGH, I can't believe I missed you hitman!! *kicking myself*

Goodnight dahling (and all), and Merry Christmas!! I'm less than half an hour away from it myself, and I'm in one of the latest time zones.

Feliz Navidad :D

Chloe le Bopper
12-25-2002, 05:00 AM
Becca, Im still trying to figure all that out. I guess we need to talk on msn when I can go back there.

We'll talk in time, no worries.

I will still come back here in this forum and post, and post i the games forum.

I would really like to not support these boards whatsoever, but I have "friends" here that I feel a certain loyalty too.

But if the day comes that someone has decided they don't like me that day - this should come sooner rather than later, as some people in these worlds aren't fond of hearing the truth - and I "dissapear" you know where to find me :D

Chloe le Bopper
12-25-2002, 05:00 AM
ooooh Merry Xmas :D
Go Santa!

Layla
12-25-2002, 02:54 PM
Hi everyone! :wavey:

First of all let me wish you happy holidays (a bit late, I know), so

MERRY CHRISTMAS!

I hope youre having a better time than I am. Im afraid I cant give you any good news. :sad: The cable guys did show up on Monday (with a friend) but they didnt have a clue as to how they could possibly help me. They didnt even try that many options. They basically just wanted to make sure that it wasnt the modem that was the cause of my problems and they achieved that goal by connecting the modem to their laptop, and it worked for over 15 minutes. To me that doesnt prove anything, since it worked for an hour and half the first time I hooked it up with my new Ethernet card. But theres nothing I can do. They suggested I format the disk and install windows again, losing everything I have already installed (but I saved most of my documents on a CD). I was really hoping they would do it for me, but guess not.

So now Im waiting for a friend of mine to show up, because I dont dare to do it by myself. And this being the holiday season, no one really has time to help me, which is completely understandable, and I really dont want to bother anyone either. Im facing a huge dilemma though. Im considering installing Windows 2000 instead of my Millenium edition, but I just read that it doesnt have ScanDisk and Defrag options, and whats even worse, I cant play most of the games on those Windows, since they are meant for professional use and are slightly different. Another option is for me to just buy the XP edition (very expensive), but thats the last option. I will probably just reinstall the my own windows and see if the problem is solved. But of course Im dying to find out if this problem will persist even if I install different Windows, because that would mean theres something else seriously wrong.

So basically, Im all tied into knots and too nervous and miserable to really celebrate. I just decided to keep on working while I still have an operable computer (who knows what will happen if I try to install new windows) and thats what Ive been doing for the past few days. But enough about me. Youre lucky Im not able to come to this forum these days, because at least youre spared from my frustrations and misery. :p

I skimmed through the posts in a hurry (I dont have much time), so I can only answer a few of them.

First of all, to Lee, who asked me if my computer freezes completely or just slows down (and this is the last of my computer talk, I promise), it freezes completely. I cant click anything, except ctrl+alt+delete and even that fails sometimes. The cable company expert said he has never heard of such a problem.

What is this I hear about Scott? He was banned? :eek: Thats outrageous! :fiery: Im unable to check out what the deal was, but if a certain other person was involved, Im damn sure whos side Im taking. Ill miss you Scott! :kiss: :sad: (not that hell be able to read this, but anyway) Wow Becca, I think its great you set up your own forum and Ill be sure to check it out later, if I ever get my internet connection back. However, I really dont want to leave this place and stop posting here. Regardless of everything, this place (and especially our forum) still rocks. :D And I hope you continue posting here as well. Please dont leave!!! :sad:

Hitman, thanks for the article! Thats a wonderful Christmas gift!!! :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: I havent read it yet because my internet time is severely limited (in fact I better copy it and save it), but I see it was written by Cameron Crowe! :hearts:

TH, Id love to sample some of your cookies and other sweets :drool: since I didnt even bother to bake any muffins. The ones with white chocolate bits sound delicious. :lick:

God, I miss you guys so much! :sad: :sad: :sad: It feels so weird that I cant be here everyday. Keep your fingers crossed but I really have no idea what Im going to do.

Goodbye for now! Enjoy the rest of the holidays! :kiss: :wavey:

Leo7
12-25-2002, 03:09 PM
Originally posted by TennisHack


Was it not shown on ESPN during Madrid? If not, then I don't have it. But I thought I did.

no, sadly they didn't show it. coverage didn't begin on espn until the round of 16, when they showed juanqui/alex.

Leo7
12-25-2002, 03:13 PM
Originally posted by TennisHack
I can't wait until he and Pete retire. If for no other reason than so we won't have to watch them on TV and hear PMac drooling over them :rolleyes:

i agree, i can't wait either. please retire Gagassi! but of course even if these guys leave, PMac still has Pandy to drool over :rolleyes:

Leo7
12-25-2002, 03:19 PM
Originally posted by Rebecca
I used to post at Gotennis, and it really sucks :p

it certainly used to suck. gotennis was full of racists bastards on the wta board and the atp board was dead.. but now most of those assholes are banned and the atp board is MUCH more popular and lively. :) gotennis was the first tennis forum i ever posted on, so i can't just abandon it.

Leo7
12-25-2002, 03:24 PM
Originally posted by Layla
God, I miss you guys so much! :sad: :sad: :sad: It feels so weird that I cant be here everyday. Keep your fingers crossed but I really have no idea what Im going to do.

and we miss you sooooo much, Layla! :sad: good luck on installing windows, i hope it all works out for you. talk to you again soon, i hope. ;)

Leo7
12-25-2002, 03:26 PM
Merry Christmas! :bounce:

jcluvva
12-25-2002, 04:09 PM
Hi every1

Merry Christmas and roll on 2003 I miss tennis so much!:bounce:

Nacho
12-25-2002, 06:19 PM
FELIZ NAVIDAD!!!! :D :D :D

(as you may have guessed, it's 'merry Xmas' in spanish ;))

Dissident
12-26-2002, 01:26 AM
Originally posted by Layla
Hi everyone! :wavey:
What is this I hear about Scott? He was banned? :eek: Thats outrageous! :fiery: Im unable to check out what the deal was, but if a certain other person was involved, Im damn sure whos side Im taking. Ill miss you Scott! :kiss: :sad: (not that hell be able to read this, but anyway) Wow Becca, I think its great you set up your own forum and Ill be sure to check it out later, if I ever get my internet connection back. However, I really dont want to leave this place and stop posting here. Regardless of everything, this place (and especially our forum) still rocks. :D And I hope you continue posting here as well. Please dont leave!!! :sad:

Hitman, thanks for the article! Thats a wonderful Christmas gift!!! :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: I havent read it yet because my internet time is severely limited (in fact I better copy it and save it), but I see it was written by Cameron Crowe! :hearts:

Goodbye for now! Enjoy the rest of the holidays! :kiss: :wavey:
I cant believe you didnt try to re-install Windows yet! :eek:
I heard the ME version is shit. Cant you buy a cold copy of XP? Like a pirate? Or get a copy from a friend? Or maybe go back to version 1998. Its probably the best solution.
Bill Bugs... I mean, Bill Gates and his bugs... :rolleyes:
You wont lose anything by re-installing windows... Just if you have to format the computer (which might be solution try number two). Then you better save your important files into a cd.

We miss you a lot! :sad:
As for the Scott incident, I have this thought on my mind that some things are really fucked up in these boards. If it wasnt for you guys and the Guga forum, I would have packed my shit and left too. Even more now. There are some others boards of better quality in which I used to participate, and Im sure I could use a better level of tennis talk instead of articles on sizes of penis. And we would be well received there, Im sure. I will talk to Rebecca about the whole thing before I make my final decision, though.

Im glad you liked the Cameron Crowe surprise. You really should copy it to read. Its worth every second spent in it. :eek:
Merry Christmas to you too!
Send any of us an email sometime, so the others can put your thoughts and updates here. ;) Take care of yourself, and make that computer work! :fiery: ;)

Dissident
12-26-2002, 01:29 AM
As for myself, I had two new Christmas presents today.
One is good, the other is bad.

The good is that all four PJ shows from this month are in the net (and also in my HD as of now). So I have all the Riot Act tour untill this moment. :D

The bad one is that my cd burner stopped completely. It just doesnt work. :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad: Im so sad! I have all those files to burn and cant do anything! :( And I was planning some other things which wont be possible either because of that... :( Damn! I just hope it comes back to life. PLEASE!!! ARGH!

Anyway, Christmas was good here. Hope you all had fun too. I have to go now, see ya soon! :wavey:

Leo7
12-26-2002, 01:47 AM
Originally posted by Dissident
The bad one is that my cd burner stopped completely. It just doesnt work. :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad: Im so sad! I have all those files to burn and cant do anything! :( And I was planning some other things which wont be possible either because of that... :( Damn! I just hope it comes back to life. PLEASE!!! ARGH!

oh that's too bad hitman. any reason for the cd burner to stop working? there must be some way to repair it. good luck. ;)

Merry Christmas everybody! :bounce:

Lee
12-26-2002, 02:20 AM
Merry Christmas to everybody! :wavey:

This is my first Christmas in US but not a very merry one since Vince has a fever again on Christmas Eve. But after opening all his presents today, he declared he is 100% healthy. :rolleyes:

Lee
12-26-2002, 02:27 AM
Originally posted by Dissident
Hello everyone! :wavey:

Anyway, about my back, its getting better, but i still have some problems to stay in the same position for too long. So, I had to back up from the internet. :( No msn mainly. It keeps me around too much.



Glad to know you back is getting better. I have lower back problem too. Since I hate to see physiotherapist, my doctor just teach me some simple exercise to strengthen the muscle at the lower back.

Lee
12-26-2002, 02:31 AM
Originally posted by Leo7


oh that's too bad, Lee. do you ever get any snow in Arizona?

we're supposed to have a snowfall in my area Christmas morning! how beautiful would a white Christmas be?! i would love that so much :D

SNOW DANCE! http://www.stopstart.freeserve.co.uk/smilie/hump.gifhttp://www.stopstart.freeserve.co.uk/smilie/hump.gifhttp://www.stopstart.freeserve.co.uk/smilie/hump.gif

Even it snowed here (Scottsdale), it will melt very soon. I plan to drive up to the mountains (the place called Flagstaff) later this week to spend a few days there. (about 2 hours drive on interstate) There will be lots of snow since it's been snowing during the miserable weather here. Flagstaff is just SE of Grand Canyon which is at the NW corner in Arizona. There is even a ski hill near Flagstaff.

Lee
12-26-2002, 02:35 AM
Originally posted by Leo7


Lee, what was your screename on gotennis?

sorry to hear that Scott. i hope those stupid admins at wtaworld get off their lazy asses and ban this jackass. :fiery:

speaking of wtaworld, does anyone know why i haven't been able to recieve an email from them for the past four or five months? i forgot my password and i tried to get them to send it to me by email but it doesn't work.. so since i can't log in, i can't post at all.. i tried starting a new account but that screwed things up even more.. eventually i just gave up trying.. there's really not much for me on wtaworld anyway besides the Lindsay, Mary, and Russia forums.

I use leecal there but I haven't been post there for a long time and even before I hardly post.

Lee
12-26-2002, 02:55 AM
Originally posted by TennisHack

I can't wait until he and Pete retire. If for no other reason than so we won't have to watch them on TV and hear PMac drooling over them :rolleyes:



He drool all over AA not Pete. :) :)

Lee
12-26-2002, 03:12 AM
Hi Layla!

It may be a bit too late for this advise but hope you get this before you do major changes.

Window 2000 is garbage and so as ME. XP is better but you must buy the license and I know it's very expensive. If you still have Window 98, put it back.

Window is the worst operating system in the world, the problem is it dominates the market. I guess you've been using your computer for a few years already and the hard drive have never re-formatted since. I have the same problem with my computer, it's just it do not freeze up as frequent as yours. The best way is to re-format your hard drive and install everything again. Like a thorough clean up of your house.

The window operating system keep on leaving garbages behind that sort of like a poison that slowly killing the computer. Re-format the hard drive is the only way to purge all those poisons out.

Lee
12-26-2002, 03:16 AM
Originally posted by Leo7


it certainly used to suck. gotennis was full of racists bastards on the wta board and the atp board was dead.. but now most of those assholes are banned and the atp board is MUCH more popular and lively. :) gotennis was the first tennis forum i ever posted on, so i can't just abandon it.

I only browse the atp board in Gotennis now since I don't want to set foot in wta board there. I agree with you the atp is better now but it's still quite dead. Also, I really can't stand UR1 posts and lots of time, the discussion get drift very far off from the original post.

Lee
12-26-2002, 03:22 AM
Originally posted by Dissident
As for myself, I had two new Christmas presents today.
One is good, the other is bad.

The good is that all four PJ shows from this month are in the net (and also in my HD as of now). So I have all the Riot Act tour untill this moment. :D

The bad one is that my cd burner stopped completely. It just doesnt work. :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad: Im so sad! I have all those files to burn and cant do anything! :( And I was planning some other things which wont be possible either because of that... :( Damn! I just hope it comes back to life. PLEASE!!! ARGH!

Anyway, Christmas was good here. Hope you all had fun too. I have to go now, see ya soon! :wavey:

Dissident, you have a brand new CD burner not working! They usually come with warranty and the best you can do is request a refund or exchange another one. Don't even try to fix it or let those ppl talk you to fix it. For electronic equipments, if they don't work at the beginning, they are incurable.

Chloe le Bopper
12-26-2002, 03:47 AM
Leo - I would never ask you to leave Gotennis! LOL I wouldn't ask anyone to leave anywhere! I just like to make fun of it because it used to be so dirty. I posted there not long ago though, I know it isn't bad these days.

HItman -

As for the Scott incident, I have this thought on my mind that some things are really fucked up in these boards. If it wasnt for you guys and the Guga forum, I would have packed my shit and left too. Even more now. There are some others boards of better quality in which I used to participate, and Im sure I could use a better level of tennis talk instead of articles on sizes of penis. And we would be well received there, Im sure. I will talk to Rebecca about the whole thing before I make my final decision, though.



We'll talk soon! We keep missing each other :kiss: I'm still checking this board obviously, so you can always send a PM.

But you have your game here as well remember - and while you are welcome to play it at my board, and i'm sure that some of those other boards you go on would welcome it as well - it is a lot to ask everyone who plays to go register at a new board, what with the new season on the way so soon. I still plan to come back here and play, provide I don't get my ass banned - I might slip up though. I'm not liked by them and they would love to hit the BAN button LOL :kiss:

oh btw - um is it alright if King Lindsay and Hurley play the game :o ?I am going to get the softwear so that i can help you for real if you need!

Lee
12-26-2002, 06:17 AM
First, I want to explain why I post it here instead of GM. People here know me a bit better than those in GM and I only care that people here know about my opinion on this.

I am really sorry that this happen. I understand the frustration of a lot of members here especially Scott and Rebecca. I personally do not support the decision of the administrator but I understand why this decision is made.

I never read the posts of the poster mentioned by Scott so I cannot say whether the person need to be banned or not. I do believe in what Scott said as I saw lots of similar posters in different tennis message boards.

I guess most of the people here understand why the racist poster is not banned. I guess they also understand why Scott is banned from WTA world but the big fuss now is why he is banned in ATP world. I think the reason is Scott do say something similar in ATP world although it is not a individual thread.

I like to stay in ATP world and if my friends here want to post in the new board, I will also post there. I will also visit the new post if time allowed and even post there.

I do notice there are some posts of very bad taste and poor quality coming to ATP world recently, I hope the board will not deteriorate to the level that I need to abandon ship again. Also, hopefully when the tennis season resume, there will be more tennis talk then.

Chloe le Bopper
12-26-2002, 06:23 AM
Yes, hopefully the new tennis season will save tennis message boards everywhere.

OH, jsut a few more days.


btw - I do believe that his posts in here about the incident can be used as an excuse by the mods. I just highly doubt that they bother to rread this thread or the Hewitt thread. If they do, it would be amazing seeing as they dont' even seem to read the bugs forum.

I have some "issues" and opinions with them that I won't get into here, because it really isn't needed.

I think that much was obvious though.

I will still visit wherever people are, untill my inevitable banishment :) (and it IS going to happen sooner or later lol)

Chloe le Bopper
12-26-2002, 06:24 AM
I just want to stress- I wasn't trying to "bully" anybody into agreeing with me, or to leave here.

That was never my intent at all! I have put a lot of work into this forum as well, just like all of you. We've worked hard to make it what it is :kiss:

I just wanted to tell you what I had done, and where I will be when I'm no longer able to post here :)

Lee
12-26-2002, 06:28 AM
Originally posted by Rebecca

btw - I do believe that his posts in here about the incident can be used as an excuse by the mods. I just highly doubt that they bother to rread this thread or the Hewitt thread. If they do, it would be amazing seeing as they dont' even seem to read the bugs forum.

They don't have to find the thread, they only need to click on Scotts username and can find all his posts



I have some "issues" and opinions with them that I won't get into here, because it really isn't needed.

I think that much was obvious though.

I will still visit wherever people are, untill my inevitable banishment :) (and it IS going to happen sooner or later lol)

We can always discuss some "issues" somewhere else.

Lee
12-26-2002, 06:31 AM
Originally posted by Rebecca
I just want to stress- I wasn't trying to "bully" anybody into agreeing with me, or to leave here.

That was never my intent at all! I have put a lot of work into this forum as well, just like all of you. We've worked hard to make it what it is :kiss:

I just wanted to tell you what I had done, and where I will be when I'm no longer able to post here :)

I never think you are "bullying" at all. You just let us know your feeling, opinion and where we are likely to find you, just like all of us here.:) :)

Chloe le Bopper
12-26-2002, 06:33 AM
They don't have to find the thread, they only need to click on Scotts username and can find all his posts


True. I just doubt it.


Anyhow - I'm sorry this has all put a very bllaaahhh damper on this thread! It's not my fault exactly, but I have more than contributed to it.

I might change the title back to Bring On 2003 again ;)

And Lee, yes we can always discuss it somewhere else :)

Lee
12-26-2002, 06:38 AM
Well, I have to call it a day. :wavey:

Merry Christmas Becca and take care. I know you're very busy the last few days. Don't over extend yourself since you have a much bigger responsibility now. Good Luck!

Lee
12-26-2002, 06:41 AM
A pic for Emma before I go.

http://photo.eastday.com/epublish/gb/paper5/20021223/class000500004/image/img849479_1.jpg

Chloe le Bopper
12-26-2002, 06:49 AM
Good night Lee :wavey:

Layla
12-26-2002, 10:05 AM
Morning everyone! :wavey:

I hope I can answer a few posts before the computer freezes on me. ;)

ILR
12-26-2002, 11:24 AM
hey Layla :wavey:

thanks for piccie Lee,that match it came from was awful.Anyway,its all over now!xmas is many days away now!But I had a lovely time,lots of wonderful food and chocolates and all my family around and the presents of course ;) the usual you know,clothes,jewelrry and I got a lovely photo off my friend in a picture frame of all 4 of us together to go with my keyring :)My brother decided to wake me up at 6:45 instead of 7:30.:rolleyes:hope you all had a great xmas :)

and dad has booked our holiday :)

Layla
12-26-2002, 11:28 AM
Argh! :mad: I wrote a long post and it froze on me. Let me try this another way. Ill copy the quotes in a word document and write the responses offline. ;)

Thanks for all your support guys! I really appreciate that. :)

Hi Emma! :wavey:

Layla
12-26-2002, 11:29 AM
Originally posted by Dissident
I cant believe you didnt try to re-install Windows yet! :eek:
I heard the ME version is shit. Cant you buy a cold copy of XP? Like a pirate? Or get a copy from a friend? Or maybe go back to version 1998. Its probably the best solution.
Bill Bugs... I mean, Bill Gates and his bugs... :rolleyes:
You wont lose anything by re-installing windows... Just if you have to format the computer (which might be solution try number two). Then you better save your important files into a cd.

Dont even get me started on Billgate! :rolleyes: No, I havent tried to reinstall ME yet. :o Ive never done anything like this before and I would really feel a whole lot better if there was someone who actually knows what hes doing overseeing the proceedings, just in case something goes wrong or I dont know which option to choose or something like that. My friend stood me up 3 times. First he said he would come on Monday, then I called him in the evening and he said he was busy and could we reschedule to Wednesday, and I havent heard from him since. I dont want to bug his too much though, since it is Christmas, but I will call him today and see whats up. I intend to proceed exactly as you said (thats what I decided yesterday after a lot of thinking). Ill try to reinstall first and if it doesnt work, Ill format the disk and install ME again. If it still doesnt work Ill install Windows 2000, just to see if it works with different Windows and then buy XP. If it doesnt work, its going back to the shop and they better fix it! :mad: XP version has a special protection against pirate copies. Oh and my files are already saved. :D There werent many of them.

We miss you a lot! :sad:
As for the Scott incident, I have this thought on my mind that some things are really fucked up in these boards. If it wasnt for you guys and the Guga forum, I would have packed my shit and left too. Even more now. There are some others boards of better quality in which I used to participate, and Im sure I could use a better level of tennis talk instead of articles on sizes of penis. And we would be well received there, Im sure. I will talk to Rebecca about the whole thing before I make my final decision, though.

:eek: :eek: Are you saying youre thinking of leaving this place? :eek: :eek: No, no, no! :sad: I agree with you on the penis issue, but this forum is special. This thread alone has more than 1000 pages and loads of interesting discussions. It feels like home. :angel: And youre a vital part of the household. :kiss: Speaking of that, who will be the next one to be evicted from BB? ;)

Layla
12-26-2002, 11:30 AM
Originally posted by Dissident

Im glad you liked the Cameron Crowe surprise. You really should copy it to read. Its worth every second spent in it. :eek:
Merry Christmas to you too!
Send any of us an email sometime, so the others can put your thoughts and updates here. ;) Take care of yourself, and make that computer work! :fiery: ;)

Ive already copied it and Im going to enjoy reading it today. :D

Im really sorry to hear about your back! :sad: *hugs* But glad youre already starting to feel better. I understand all about what sitting at the computer all day can do to your back. Im thinking of buying that strange kneeling chair (dont know what its called) because my back feels great on that. It might be too low for my desk though. Back problems run in my family and I suppose its inevitable that I experience them as well sooner or later. But there are exercises I can do to prevent this from happening and practicing yoga might also be a great idea. My mom is in pain every day and it helps if I give her a massage. Anyway, take care of yourself. *sending some healing vibes to your back* :)

And pffffft at more computer malfunctions. :sad: I hope your cd-burner miraculously recovers as well, but I agree with Lee that you should take it back to the shop and insist on getting a new one if they cant fix it. I know how frustrating it is to not be able to make CDs. :sad: Good luck!

Layla
12-26-2002, 11:31 AM
Originally posted by Lee
Hi Layla!

It may be a bit too late for this advise but hope you get this before you do major changes.

Window 2000 is garbage and so as ME. XP is better but you must buy the license and I know it's very expensive. If you still have Window 98, put it back.

Window is the worst operating system in the world, the problem is it dominates the market. I guess you've been using your computer for a few years already and the hard drive have never re-formatted since. I have the same problem with my computer, it's just it do not freeze up as frequent as yours. The best way is to re-format your hard drive and install everything again. Like a thorough clean up of your house.

The window operating system keep on leaving garbages behind that sort of like a poison that slowly killing the computer. Re-format the hard drive is the only way to purge all those poisons out.

Its not too late. ;) Thanks for the info on 2000. Ive heard nothing but good things about it, but I have my doubts. I dont have Windows 98 because on my previous computer, I had Windows 3.1. :o My computer is actually brand new. I only bought it in June and this trouble started in the beginning of October, so I think its too early to be cluttered with garbage. :( True, I use it a lot, but its only been half a year, which is why this is all so frustrating.

I do have a question for all you computer-wise people out there. Is it normal that the drivers for both USB ports and the one for the Ethernet card all have the same IRQ which is 11? Could that be the cause of problems? But it doesnt say theres any conflict.

Layla
12-26-2002, 11:31 AM
Originally posted by Lee


I only browse the atp board in Gotennis now since I don't want to set foot in wta board there. I agree with you the atp is better now but it's still quite dead. Also, I really can't stand UR1 posts and lots of time, the discussion get drift very far off from the original post.

Hehe, I agree with you on UR1, although he did have a phase of being really nice and even interesting just recently. I havent been there in a month though, not since I got buried with work. But like Leo said, its the first board I ever posted on and Im quite fond of it (the atp part that is). It was very lively the last time I was there.

Layla
12-26-2002, 11:32 AM
Originally posted by Rebecca
I just want to stress- I wasn't trying to "bully" anybody into agreeing with me, or to leave here.

That was never my intent at all! I have put a lot of work into this forum as well, just like all of you. We've worked hard to make it what it is :kiss:

I just wanted to tell you what I had done, and where I will be when I'm no longer able to post here :)

LOL, of course youre not bullying anyone! I think what you did is fantastic. Its good to know we have a place to go if something goes wrong or if one of us disappears. ;) I took a quick peek at it and it looks absolutely gorgeous! Great job! Love the colors. I hope you get a lot of members. I will definitely sign in when (if :( ) I get my internet back.

ILR
12-26-2002, 11:35 AM
lol Layla,you've been doing a lot of typing!;) and course we missed ya!:kiss: thought Id cheer for my Liverpool boys again playing Blackburn(This is also a personal battle as one of my very best friends is a Blackburn fan and if we lose,Oh the shame!:o;))

Chloe le Bopper
12-26-2002, 08:29 PM
Layla :hearts:

YAY you are alive out there somewhere :kiss:

Chloe le Bopper
12-26-2002, 10:01 PM
oooohhh the Spanish section of jcferrero.net has been updated :hearts:

There are a lot of pictures in there I had never seen anywhere before - I'm going to get to the articles, but it's hard for me to totally understand them yet.

Leo7
12-26-2002, 10:37 PM
Originally posted by Lee


Even it snowed here (Scottsdale), it will melt very soon. I plan to drive up to the mountains (the place called Flagstaff) later this week to spend a few days there. (about 2 hours drive on interstate) There will be lots of snow since it's been snowing during the miserable weather here. Flagstaff is just SE of Grand Canyon which is at the NW corner in Arizona. There is even a ski hill near Flagstaff.

oh i love the grand canyon in Arizona. my family and i were thinking a while ago of getting a vacation house in Arizona near the grand canyon, but eventually we decided it cost too much and we wouldn't be able to visit enough.

Leo7
12-26-2002, 10:39 PM
Originally posted by Lee


I use leecal there but I haven't been post there for a long time and even before I hardly post.

oh i think i've read a few of your posts on gotennis before.. but none recently. :(

Leo7
12-26-2002, 10:45 PM
Originally posted by Lee


I only browse the atp board in Gotennis now since I don't want to set foot in wta board there. I agree with you the atp is better now but it's still quite dead. Also, I really can't stand UR1 posts and lots of time, the discussion get drift very far off from the original post.

same with me, i don't usually like to go into the wta board anymore. but i really enjoy of the in-depth discussions on the atp side. it has been quite dead recently but i've been trying to liven it up by posting any article i can find. :)

Leo7
12-26-2002, 10:53 PM
Originally posted by Rebecca
I just want to stress- I wasn't trying to "bully" anybody into agreeing with me, or to leave here.

That was never my intent at all! I have put a lot of work into this forum as well, just like all of you. We've worked hard to make it what it is :kiss:

I just wanted to tell you what I had done, and where I will be when I'm no longer able to post here :)

oh, but will you still be playing ATP Manager with us? :(

Chloe le Bopper
12-26-2002, 11:04 PM
Leo - as long as I'm able to post here I will play atp manager and visit frequently in this forum :)

I won't spend much time in GM if at all, but I will definately not just run away.

I was angry before when I wrote some of that stuff, so i may have come off that way, but was not intended as such!

Leo7
12-26-2002, 11:09 PM
well that's good.. i don't want you to run away forever. ;) and i don't like to go into GM either.

Leo7
12-26-2002, 11:10 PM
i see the Hackster! :wavey:

TennisHack
12-26-2002, 11:10 PM
:wavey: Hallo, thread!

I hope everyone had a nice holiday. I received Age of Empires for Christmas and spent all day yesterday playing it :o Now I know how people become addicted to games so easily :D I would have come earlier but I had an appointment at two, though I didn't get to see the doctor until almost four :rolleyes:

So now I'll catch up on posts.

Leo7
12-26-2002, 11:14 PM
yeah i just got a new US Open tennis game for Christmas and i've been addicted to it. :D

TennisHack
12-26-2002, 11:18 PM
Originally posted by Layla
They suggested I format the disk and install windows again, losing everything I have already installed (but I saved most of my documents on a CD). I was really hoping they would do it for me, but guess not.

So now Im waiting for a friend of mine to show up, because I dont dare to do it by myself. And this being the holiday season, no one really has time to help me, which is completely understandable, and I really dont want to bother anyone either. Im facing a huge dilemma though. Im considering installing Windows 2000 instead of my Millenium edition, but I just read that it doesnt have ScanDisk and Defrag options, and whats even worse, I cant play most of the games on those Windows, since they are meant for professional use and are slightly different. Another option is for me to just buy the XP edition (very expensive), but thats the last option. I will probably just reinstall the my own windows and see if the problem is solved. But of course Im dying to find out if this problem will persist even if I install different Windows, because that would mean theres something else seriously wrong.

So basically, Im all tied into knots and too nervous and miserable to really celebrate. I just decided to keep on working while I still have an operable computer (who knows what will happen if I try to install new windows) and thats what Ive been doing for the past few days. But enough about me. Youre lucky Im not able to come to this forum these days, because at least youre spared from my frustrations and misery. :p
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TH, Id love to sample some of your cookies and other sweets :drool: since I didnt even bother to bake any muffins. The ones with white chocolate bits sound delicious. :lick:

God, I miss you guys so much! :sad: :sad: :sad: It feels so weird that I cant be here everyday. Keep your fingers crossed but I really have no idea what Im going to do.

Goodbye for now! Enjoy the rest of the holidays! :kiss: :wavey:

:sad::sad::sad:

This is horrible :( Ugh, at any rate, at least you have options. Running recovery on your system won't make you lose any documents, so I don't think reinstalling Windows would, either. If you could switch to XP, I would suggest you do. I've not really heard good things about ME, well, ever. And if you could get the second edition of XP, even better. That's what I have now and it's great :) Basically, don't ever get a first edition of an operating system is my advice there ;)

But, and this sounds pretty bad I know, you can't work without a computer or the internet, since you receive your assignments through email, no? So I'm pretty confident you won't ever have to leave us completely. I sure hope not, I really miss you and I'd really hate it if you had to leave :(

And you guys can have all the cookies you want :) I'm going to make a second batch of cookies sometime soon of the chocolate with white chips because they've been disappearing in a hurry ;)

TennisHack
12-26-2002, 11:20 PM
Originally posted by Leo7


no, sadly they didn't show it. coverage didn't begin on espn until the round of 16, when they showed juanqui/alex.

Oh, damn. I was pretty sure I had that on tape. NARGH! :sad:

On the up side, I have finally finished my US Open tapes. It was hard to watch Daniela lose :( but I'm moving on to better things now. I had the Juanqui/Agassihole match from TMS Madrid taped and then copied over because I didn't want to see it :D I'm glad I only have the ass-kickings now ;)

Leo7
12-26-2002, 11:24 PM
damn it, i'm getting kicked off the computer by my sis! talk to you guys later! :wavey:

TennisHack
12-26-2002, 11:25 PM
Originally posted by Dissident
As for the Scott incident, I have this thought on my mind that some things are really fucked up in these boards. If it wasnt for you guys and the Guga forum, I would have packed my shit and left too. Even more now. There are some others boards of better quality in which I used to participate, and Im sure I could use a better level of tennis talk instead of articles on sizes of penis. And we would be well received there, Im sure. I will talk to Rebecca about the whole thing before I make my final decision, though.


Basically everything hitman said via Layla I totally agree with :) Pirate pirate pirate!! :D My best friend/co-webmaster found Photoshop 7 on Kazaa and downloaded it there, so there's no telling where you could find a copy of an operating system.

Anyway, to comment on what I quoted -- I would hate, hate, HATE to see people leave this board, but if everyone left I would follow them. To me, it's not so much "ATPWorld" as "you guys" for the reason I come here and participate. I like most of the people here, and of course I consider you guys a great group of friends :) so if you left, then I'd follow wherever you went. Breaking onto a message board can be a big deal sometimes which is why I'm hesitant to move. I don't really consider the stuff that happens on WTAWorld to affect the goings-on of this board unless one of you is involved, personally. WTAWorld is shit, I rather regret going against myself and joining, and I rarely ever visit there.

But whatever you guys decide, just let me know and I'll follow . . .

TennisHack
12-26-2002, 11:28 PM
Originally posted by Dissident
The bad one is that my cd burner stopped completely. It just doesnt work. :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad: Im so sad! I have all those files to burn and cant do anything! :( And I was planning some other things which wont be possible either because of that... :( Damn! I just hope it comes back to life. PLEASE!!! ARGH!

:( Bad news all around so far :(:(:(

This is probably my ignorance playing, but is there any way you could get an external CD burner? I know they're pretty common here in the States and pretty inexpensive.

I hope you get something working, at any rate :(

TennisHack
12-26-2002, 11:37 PM
LOL, looks like my advice on computers wasn't needed after all ;) Good to see you could come by, Layla, even if just for a little while. See, we'll make it somehow :)

TennisHack
12-26-2002, 11:39 PM
Originally posted by Leo7
yeah i just got a new US Open tennis game for Christmas and i've been addicted to it. :D

Is it good? I've never played a tennis game so I don't know how to judge them. Heehee, I'd definitely have to leave that at home or else I'd never get work done at school!!

TennisHack
12-26-2002, 11:40 PM
Well, no one else is here, so I'll come back later :wavey:

TennisHack
12-26-2002, 11:59 PM
From Eurosport.com:

ATP 2002 season review

The number 38 marked the 2002 ATP season. The season was a very open one as 38 different winners emerged with four different gamblers in the Grand Slams and a new Davis Cup champion nation. Read on to review this exciting year.

Lleyton Hewitt finished the year on top in 2001 and this year he confirmed he is still the best. The Australian snatched his second Grand Slam crown with his first Wimbledon title and recorded his first win in a Masters Series at Indian Wells. He closed the year in style dominating the Masters Cup in Shanghai.

The 21 year-old, who has proved he is the most consistent player on the circuit, repeatedly does what is required to do on the big points, he delivers on all fronts. However Hewitt is not invincible and can easily be beaten by a qualifier, as players are more fearless and fit than ever.

At 32, World No.2 Andre Agassi came close to becoming the oldest World No. 1 in tennis history. However, he proved he is still a major threat to all young guns on the tour. He achieved, this season, an incredible feat by winning three Masters Series titles on three different surfaces: hard in Miami, clay in Rome and carpet in Madrid.

Agassi reached the final at the US Open and came close to adding an eighth Grand Slam trophy to his cabinet but failed to overcome his long time rival Pete Sampras.

Few believed that former world No.1 Pete Sampras would be able to win another major after a 24-month title drought and a disastrous grass court season that ended with a second-round knockout at Wimbledon. On Sunday September 8th, Pete Sampras shut down all critics and lifted his 14th Grand Slam crown in what will remain the most memorable moment in the 2002 tennis season.

Off course we can't forget Russia who beat title-holders France to clinch their first ever Davis Cup crown. The world had to wait until the final night and the end of the fifth set of the fifth match to have the result, which showed how close the tie was. Newcomer Mikhail Youzhny came back from a two set deficit to beat shot-maker Paul-Henri Mathieu after Marat Safin helped by winning both of his singles matches.

Other unexpected winners this year included Swedens Thomas Johansson who beat Marat Safin to grab the Australian Open title, and Spains Albert Costa who made the best of Juan Carlos Ferreros stress to win Roland Garros.

More notable was the resurgence of Carlos Moya, who at last seemed to be shaking off his languid spell of recent years. Moya looked particularly sharp in beating Hewitt to win the Tennis Masters in Cincinnati.

Equally impressive was Ferrero, who turned in a beguiling effort in Paris - beating Agassi, but suffering miserably in the finals versus Costa. However, he showed exceptional resiliency in reaching the Tennis Masters Cup final and losing a five-set epic battle to Hewitt.

This year a flock of up-and-coming Argentines invaded the Tour. It included David Nalbandian, Guillermo Canas, Mariano Zabaleta and Juan Ignacio Chela -- who have taken the claycourt circuit by storm over the past 12 months. But David Nalbandian's success at Wimbledon astonished everyone, including himself. He became the first Argentinean and unseeded player to reach the Wimbledon final in the Open Era

It seems that next season, the man to watch may well be Chile's Fernando Gonzalez, who is already being heralded as the most exciting player to come out of the region since Kuerten won his stunning French Open title in 1996. The Santiago-based right-hander jumped more than 100 places up the world rankings to a career-high 17.

The other suprise of the year was Thailands Paradorn Srichaphan who proved himself at Wimbledon by crushing Agassi in the second round. Since then, Srichaphan improved every week, winning his two first titles in Long Island and Stockholm and finishing the year at a career best 18th spot in the rankings.

The tale of the men's 2002 season was less of an epic big-screen saga and more a series of discreet miniseries. No longer does it seem possible for several men to assert themselves completely over the course of an entire year. Nowadays any lucky loser or qualifier can beat someone in the top 10.

TennisHack
12-27-2002, 12:01 AM
That'd be a fun "spot the error" article :D

Chloe le Bopper
12-27-2002, 12:04 AM
YOu really should check out all the new pictures at jcferrero.net ;)

Lee
12-27-2002, 02:16 AM
Originally posted by Layla


Its not too late. ;) Thanks for the info on 2000. Ive heard nothing but good things about it, but I have my doubts. I dont have Windows 98 because on my previous computer, I had Windows 3.1. :o My computer is actually brand new. I only bought it in June and this trouble started in the beginning of October, so I think its too early to be cluttered with garbage. :( True, I use it a lot, but its only been half a year, which is why this is all so frustrating.

I do have a question for all you computer-wise people out there. Is it normal that the drivers for both USB ports and the one for the Ethernet card all have the same IRQ which is 11? Could that be the cause of problems? But it doesnt say theres any conflict.

Window 2000 is actually for computers hook up to a network, like those in offices or libraries, its predeccessor is Window NT. It's better than NT but still not good enough.

According to my hubby, USB ports actually don't need IRQ so there should not be any problem with your ethernet card and USB ports with same IRQ number.

Your computer is about 6 months old so it is reasonable that you don't think you have similar problem as mine. The only think I can suggest is try to find a pattern (other than using after how long). e.g. are you running any other programs like MS outlook, MS word, etc. when you are surfing. I assume you use MIE as browser. Do your monitor has energy saver function, do you set up to auto dim, etc. My computer has this funny thing that once I bring up MS outlook, if I close it and leave the computer on, when the energy saver function kick in, it freeze. So I have to always leave my MS outlook on.

Dissident
12-27-2002, 02:19 AM
Originally posted by TennisHack
From Eurosport.com:

ATP 2002 season review

The number 38 marked the 2002 ATP season. The season was a very open one as 38 different winners emerged with four different gamblers in the Grand Slams and a new Davis Cup champion nation. Read on to review this exciting year.

Lleyton Hewitt finished the year on top in 2001 and this year he confirmed he is still the best. The Australian snatched his second Grand Slam crown with his first Wimbledon title and recorded his first win in a Masters Series at Indian Wells. He closed the year in style dominating the Masters Cup in Shanghai.

The 21 year-old, who has proved he is the most consistent player on the circuit, repeatedly does what is required to do on the big points, he delivers on all fronts. However Hewitt is not invincible and can easily be beaten by a qualifier, as players are more fearless and fit than ever.

At 32, World No.2 Andre Agassi came close to becoming the oldest World No. 1 in tennis history. However, he proved he is still a major threat to all young guns on the tour. He achieved, this season, an incredible feat by winning three Masters Series titles on three different surfaces: hard in Miami, clay in Rome and carpet in Madrid.

Agassi reached the final at the US Open and came close to adding an eighth Grand Slam trophy to his cabinet but failed to overcome his long time rival Pete Sampras.

Few believed that former world No.1 Pete Sampras would be able to win another major after a 24-month title drought and a disastrous grass court season that ended with a second-round knockout at Wimbledon. On Sunday September 8th, Pete Sampras shut down all critics and lifted his 14th Grand Slam crown in what will remain the most memorable moment in the 2002 tennis season.

Off course we can't forget Russia who beat title-holders France to clinch their first ever Davis Cup crown. The world had to wait until the final night and the end of the fifth set of the fifth match to have the result, which showed how close the tie was. Newcomer Mikhail Youzhny came back from a two set deficit to beat shot-maker Paul-Henri Mathieu after Marat Safin helped by winning both of his singles matches.

Other unexpected winners this year included Swedens Thomas Johansson who beat Marat Safin to grab the Australian Open title, and Spains Albert Costa who made the best of Juan Carlos Ferreros stress to win Roland Garros.

More notable was the resurgence of Carlos Moya, who at last seemed to be shaking off his languid spell of recent years. Moya looked particularly sharp in beating Hewitt to win the Tennis Masters in Cincinnati.

Equally impressive was Ferrero, who turned in a beguiling effort in Paris - beating Agassi, but suffering miserably in the finals versus Costa. However, he showed exceptional resiliency in reaching the Tennis Masters Cup final and losing a five-set epic battle to Hewitt.

This year a flock of up-and-coming Argentines invaded the Tour. It included David Nalbandian, Guillermo Canas, Mariano Zabaleta and Juan Ignacio Chela -- who have taken the claycourt circuit by storm over the past 12 months. But David Nalbandian's success at Wimbledon astonished everyone, including himself. He became the first Argentinean and unseeded player to reach the Wimbledon final in the Open Era

It seems that next season, the man to watch may well be Chile's Fernando Gonzalez, who is already being heralded as the most exciting player to come out of the region since Kuerten won his stunning French Open title in 1996. The Santiago-based right-hander jumped more than 100 places up the world rankings to a career-high 17.

The other suprise of the year was Thailands Paradorn Srichaphan who proved himself at Wimbledon by crushing Agassi in the second round. Since then, Srichaphan improved every week, winning his two first titles in Long Island and Stockholm and finishing the year at a career best 18th spot in the rankings.

The tale of the men's 2002 season was less of an epic big-screen saga and more a series of discreet miniseries. No longer does it seem possible for several men to assert themselves completely over the course of an entire year. Nowadays any lucky loser or qualifier can beat someone in the top 10.

I found two.
1. Madrid was indoors, but NOT carpet. Ir was indoor HARD.
2. Roland Garros 1996 :rolleyes:

pfff. lol

Lee
12-27-2002, 02:19 AM
Originally posted by Leo7


oh i love the grand canyon in Arizona. my family and i were thinking a while ago of getting a vacation house in Arizona near the grand canyon, but eventually we decided it cost too much and we wouldn't be able to visit enough.

Have you been there? I plan to visit Grand Canyon coming summer if I have time since I want to go back to Canada and stay with my mom and siblings for a few weeks.

BTW Leo, do you know this week's, i.e. a few days ago, GG was a rerun or a new eppy. I have a new digital converter instead of the old analog one and I can't tape if the power of the convertor is not on. Thus, I have an hour of blank tape for this week.

Dissident
12-27-2002, 02:21 AM
I see Layla made her way to here. :D
Good news. I hope you can solve all the problems soon.
And listen to us: PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE!!!
Fuck Bill Gates by buying cold copies! Lets start a move NOW! lol

TennisHack
12-27-2002, 02:23 AM
:wavey: Hi! Could it be?! I didn't miss hitman?!

LOL.

Dissident
12-27-2002, 02:24 AM
I read someone wrote about GAMES!!
:D

From my Christmas presents, I got three cds (PJ No Code - finally!! - Coldplay Rush of Blood... and Foo Fighter - One by One). Other than that, I got the game Diablo II, which is FABULOUS! :D Talk about addictive games! :eek:
Also, I bought two pirates, Age of Mythology and Roland Garros NGT. The first is having problems, and the second didnt run at all. lol. im working a solution now. :p

Dissident
12-27-2002, 02:26 AM
Hi Hackie. :wavey:

Lee
12-27-2002, 02:30 AM
Originally posted by TennisHack
That'd be a fun "spot the error" article :D

Guga win FO in 1997, not 96.

Lee
12-27-2002, 02:31 AM
Hi TH & Dissident! :wavey:

Dissident
12-27-2002, 02:32 AM
Hey Lee!
How is the "yellow belter" doing? :)

Did you have a good Christmas?


And you Hackie? Good too? :)

TennisHack
12-27-2002, 02:32 AM
Originally posted by Dissident
I read someone wrote about GAMES!!
:D
.
.
.
Other than that, I got the game Diablo II, which is FABULOUS! :D Talk about addictive games! :eek:
Also, I bought two pirates, Age of Mythology and Roland Garros NGT. The first is having problems, and the second didnt run at all. lol. im working a solution now. :p

That was MEEEEEEEEEE! LOL :o

I have always wanted to play Age of Empires because I'd never had the chance to play a strategy game and I thought I'd be pretty good at it. I enjoy trying to figure things out like that (usually I'm just really impatient :o). LMAO, boy was I humbled when it took me nearly all day to successfully finish the "learn how to play" challenge campaign.

Like I said, I've never played a tennis game but I'd really like to try :) But I'm pretty ignorant about games so I wouldn't know where to begin.

PS -- Congrats on your CD haul. I forgot to add Coldplay's album to my list, but I received the other ten I requested, including 3 PJs ;)

Dissident
12-27-2002, 02:33 AM
Originally posted by TennisHack

PS -- Congrats on your CD haul. I forgot to add Coldplay's album to my list, but I received the other ten I requested, including 3 PJs ;)

I guess you would like Age of Mythology. ;)

Coldplay is really good. Certainly ranked in the top ten records of this year...
oooooo, 3 PJ??? Which ones??

TennisHack
12-27-2002, 02:35 AM
Originally posted by Dissident
And you Hackie? Good too? :)

Yes :) I received everything I asked for and then some :) And a lot of chocolate, strangely. Oh, well, I'm not complaining :D

Sounds like you had a nice day as well :)

Lee
12-27-2002, 02:37 AM
Originally posted by Dissident
I see Layla made her way to here. :D
Good news. I hope you can solve all the problems soon.
And listen to us: PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE!!!
Fuck Bill Gates by buying cold copies! Lets start a move NOW! lol

Ouch, I hate Bill Gates too but I can't support PIRATE since my hubby's and my ex-boss sell software for living although they are for business. :D :D

How's your CD burner? Is it working now?

TennisHack
12-27-2002, 02:38 AM
Originally posted by Dissident


I guess you would like Age of Mythology. ;)

Coldplay is really good. Certainly ranked in the top ten records of this year...
oooooo, 3 PJ??? Which ones??

Ooh, maybe. What is it? Age of Empires is building, controlling, and protecting your empire and advancing through 4 Ages -- Dark, Feudal, Castle, and Imperial. I played against the computer and never made it out of the second age :o

I received Riot Act, Yield, and Live on Two Legs because it seemed you chose most of your ultra-platinum double album (or whatever you called it :o) from those and the two albums I had. My mom said she had a hard time finding them, so I guess that's a good thing :D

TennisHack
12-27-2002, 02:41 AM
:wavey: Hi, Lee! :)

Well, I'd say they are in the right business, then. Software for businesses is probably more lucrative than personal software. And I would hardly think that businesses pirate their software as much as we cheapasses on the outside :D

Dissident
12-27-2002, 02:41 AM
Best albums of the year. ;)
Pearl Jam - Riot Act
Audioslave - Audioslave
Coldplay - A Rush of Blood to the Head
Eric Clapton - One More Car One More Rider
Foo Fighters - One by One

And I heard that Queens of the Stone Age (Songs for the Deaf) came up witha very good one, but I didnt find it here yet. :( The song on MTV is really interesting.

Lee
12-27-2002, 02:41 AM
Originally posted by Dissident
Hey Lee!
How is the "yellow belter" doing? :)

Did you have a good Christmas?


And you Hackie? Good too? :)

The yellow belters basically haven't move a fist or raise their feet since getting the yellow belt. :D :D I can see the master will be very frustrated next week when class resume.

My Christmas is OK! At least Vince recovered from his second bout of fever. He is very excited with his Christmas presents and love all of them.

How's Gabi? Is she excited with her presents?

Dissident
12-27-2002, 02:46 AM
Originally posted by Lee

How's your CD burner? Is it working now?

No, its completely dead. :sad:

And now that I have all four PJ shows from this month to record on a cd (mp3) to listen on my new stereo. DAMN!!! :(

Im thinking of a solution still. Im not sure what I will do. But it cant just stop working. Its not a simple burner. Its an HP one, it is supposed to be the best. :(

Lee
12-27-2002, 02:48 AM
Originally posted by TennisHack
:wavey: Hi, Lee! :)

Well, I'd say they are in the right business, then. Software for businesses is probably more lucrative than personal software. And I would hardly think that businesses pirate their software as much as we cheapasses on the outside :D

Not exactly! Business softwares can't f*** up like MS windows. If they do, the companies will go belly up long time ago. Also, the market is much smaller and very industry specific.

Lee
12-27-2002, 02:50 AM
Originally posted by Dissident


No, its completely dead. :sad:

And now that I have all four PJ shows from this month to record on a cd (mp3) to listen on my new stereo. DAMN!!! :(

Im thinking of a solution still. Im not sure what I will do. But it cant just stop working. Its not a simple burner. Its an HP one, it is supposed to be the best. :(

Are you sure you can't exchange a new one? That's the simpliest solution.

Dissident
12-27-2002, 02:51 AM
Originally posted by TennisHack


Ooh, maybe. What is it? Age of Empires is building, controlling, and protecting your empire and advancing through 4 Ages -- Dark, Feudal, Castle, and Imperial. I played against the computer and never made it out of the second age :o

I received Riot Act, Yield, and Live on Two Legs because it seemed you chose most of your ultra-platinum double album (or whatever you called it :o) from those and the two albums I had. My mom said she had a hard time finding them, so I guess that's a good thing :D

Age of Mythology is quite the same, I guess (still couldnt manage to play it properly :(), but it has the gods from mythology and stuff. And its brand new... The graphics are killers!

You chose well your cds. :) Perfect picking. hehe
Live on Two Legs is incredible. And it should be a great way to get a review on all the band days.
And Riot Act is wonderful, different from all the others. :)
The second single (Save You) is out, and the video is about to hit MTV in january.

Pay special attention to the songs:
LOTL - Off he goes, Nothingman, Fuckin Up
Riot Act - Save You, Love Boat Captain, Thumbing my Way, Half Full

Dissident
12-27-2002, 02:52 AM
Originally posted by Lee


The yellow belters basically haven't move a fist or raise their feet since getting the yellow belt. :D :D I can see the master will be very frustrated next week when class resume.

My Christmas is OK! At least Vince recovered from his second bout of fever. He is very excited with his Christmas presents and love all of them.

How's Gabi? Is she excited with her presents?

Im glad to know you are all well.

Gabi is happy, yeah. She got a helmet to go with her skate, a soccer ball, a watch and some other stuff. lol

Lee
12-27-2002, 02:53 AM
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Magic by Bill Gates! This is the first time I actually have an 'F' word in things I write or post.

TennisHack
12-27-2002, 02:54 AM
Originally posted by Dissident

Im thinking of a solution still. Im not sure what I will do. But it cant just stop working. Its not a simple burner. Its an HP one, it is supposed to be the best. :(

Damn, that sucks. This day has been full of bad news :(

I'm guessing its an external one, like I suggested then.

I wish I could help but I really don't know that much about them. Is it the burner itself or the software that goes with it that's messing up?

Dissident
12-27-2002, 02:55 AM
Originally posted by Lee


Are you sure you can't exchange a new one? That's the simpliest solution.

The people from whom I bought the computer are assholes! They will try ANYTHING. So, they will take my computer for 15 days to a month, then return it to me saying everything is fine. I get home, turn it on and its just the same. :mad: SO I call them again, and they say they have to take it again.
I wait 15 more days, and the same happens. Theres not much you can do if you NEED the computer. :(
But Ill try to do that as well.

Dissident
12-27-2002, 02:58 AM
Originally posted by TennisHack


Damn, that sucks. This day has been full of bad news :(

I'm guessing its an external one, like I suggested then.

I wish I could help but I really don't know that much about them. Is it the burner itself or the software that goes with it that's messing up?

No, its the burner itself. I cant even eject it. :( No lights, no response at all. Its screwed big time. It looks like a mechanic problem in it.

TennisHack
12-27-2002, 03:00 AM
Originally posted by Dissident
Age of Mythology is quite the same, I guess (still couldnt manage to play it properly :(), but it has the gods from mythology and stuff. And its brand new... The graphics are killers!

Ooh, it sounds great!! I'll have to check that out. I'm going to the gaming place sometime before I go back to school. I think my mother has created a monster :D because before this I never really played a lot of games.


You chose well your cds. :) Perfect picking. hehe
Live on Two Legs is incredible. And it should be a great way to get a review on all the band days.
And Riot Act is wonderful, different from all the others. :)
The second single (Save You) is out, and the video is about to hit MTV in january.

Pay special attention to the songs:
LOTL - Off he goes, Nothingman, Fuckin Up
Riot Act - Save You, Love Boat Captain, Thumbing my Way, Half Full

Well those are mighty big compliments coming from you! ;):o I also asked for and received Sea Change by Beck, Abbey Road by the Beatles, Weezer's Maladroit, Nirvana's newest album of "greatest hits", the Elvis 30 #1 Hits (I really like that remix of "A Little Less Conversation"), U2's The Best of 1980-1990 (all those great political songs :D)

So I have a huge batch of music to take back with me :) including the concert I've already burned and the one I'm downloading. I'll be sure to keep an ear open for those songs and tell you what I think :)

TennisHack
12-27-2002, 03:03 AM
Originally posted by Dissident


No, its the burner itself. I cant even eject it. :( No lights, no response at all. Its screwed big time. It looks like a mechanic problem in it.

:fiery::fiery: Why do computer sellers and maintainers have to be so fucking obnoxious?!

And I'd go along with Lee in saying there's really nothing you can do but get a new one. I believe she's the one who said that these things are incurable.

Lee
12-27-2002, 03:03 AM
Originally posted by Dissident


The people from whom I bought the computer are assholes! They will try ANYTHING. So, they will take my computer for 15 days to a month, then return it to me saying everything is fine. I get home, turn it on and its just the same. :mad: SO I call them again, and they say they have to take it again.
I wait 15 more days, and the same happens. Theres not much you can do if you NEED the computer. :(
But Ill try to do that as well.

That really sucks! So my guess is you have an internal CD burner. I don't know why they don't just put a new one in. May be it's different in Basil.

For electronic equipments, when a brand new one is not working, 99.9% is caused by manufacturer error. Usually, manufacturer will replace it with new ones, especially it's just a CD burner, not a brand new computer.

Dissident
12-27-2002, 03:03 AM
"You know youre right! You know youre right!" and so it goes forever. lol

Dissident
12-27-2002, 03:04 AM
But Lee, its not brand new...
It came with the computer over an year ago. :sad:
And it stopped working all of a sudden. :(

Lee
12-27-2002, 03:08 AM
Originally posted by TennisHack


:fiery::fiery: Why do computer sellers and maintainers have to be so fucking obnoxious?!

And I'd go along with Lee in saying there's really nothing you can do but get a new one. I believe she's the one who said that these things are incurable.

The reason that electronic equipments are incurable because mostly are made up with electronic circuit boards and usually the problem comes from these boards. When you try to fix one, you are just changing one board with another one and then thrown away the one that's not working. In North America, the labor cost is too high to fix one since it will cost more than the parts itself.

Dissident
12-27-2002, 03:13 AM
Get a new one?
Oh God! :sad:
Its so expensive... :(

TennisHack
12-27-2002, 03:14 AM
You couldn't get an external one relatively cheaply? :(

Dissident
12-27-2002, 03:14 AM
For you to have an idea... Whats the average monthly income of a worker in the US?

Lee
12-27-2002, 03:15 AM
Originally posted by Dissident
But Lee, its not brand new...
It came with the computer over an year ago. :sad:
And it stopped working all of a sudden. :(

Oops! I guess you may be better off buying a new external CD burner.

I believe it's the electronic part that's not working because you said there's no light. Probably one of the circuit is burnt or short-circuited. Do you here the CD spin or not when it's loaded?

BTW, 'HP' in my good old days stands for High Price only and also, they are only good in printers (even nowadays).

Lee
12-27-2002, 03:21 AM
Originally posted by Dissident
For you to have an idea... Whats the average monthly income of a worker in the US?

TH, do you have any idea? I am quite new in US but I can tell you in Canada, most provinces have minimum wage, i.e. when you hire anyone, no matter full time or part time, the wage must be at or above the minimum wage and the amount varies in each province but most are at around 7 Canadian dollar an hour. One US dollar is about 1.54 Canadian dollar.

TennisHack
12-27-2002, 03:22 AM
Originally posted by Dissident
For you to have an idea... Whats the average monthly income of a worker in the US?

:o No clue. Too much variety in jobs. But I'll make a rough estimate.

Minimum wage is $5.15/hour. If someone works full-time (40 hours/week), monthly income (4 weeks) would be $824/month.

Dissident
12-27-2002, 03:22 AM
Originally posted by Lee


Oops! I guess you may be better off buying a new external CD burner.

I believe it's the electronic part that's not working because you said there's no light. Probably one of the circuit is burnt or short-circuited. Do you here the CD spin or not when it's loaded?

BTW, 'HP' in my good old days stands for High Price only and also, they are only good in printers (even nowadays).

No, I hear or see nothing. Its just like the power cord had been detached. I even opened the tower to see if one of the cables got loosen or so, but it didnt work. :(

Lee
12-27-2002, 03:25 AM
Originally posted by Dissident


No, I hear or see nothing. Its just like the power cord had been detached. I even opened the tower to see if one of the cables got loosen or so, but it didnt work. :(

If you have an internal CD burner, when you open the tower, can you see the circuit boards of your burner?

Dissident
12-27-2002, 03:26 AM
Originally posted by TennisHack


:o No clue. Too much variety in jobs. But I'll make a rough estimate.

Minimum wage is $5.15/hour. If someone works full-time (40 hours/week), monthly income (4 weeks) would be $824/month.
Alright, a simple calculus then...

In Brazil, we get average of 200-250 Reais/month.
One dollar is worth 3.5 reais.
So, were making like 250/3.5 a month in dollars. Thats a little more than 70 frigging Us dollars.
Ok, we dont have CD bruners made in here. So we have to bring them as imports. Now, get the price of one for you in dollars. Add the imports tax, and you will see how many months an ordinary worker has to work their asses out to buy some thing to get stuck in an year.

:fiery:

Dissident
12-27-2002, 03:27 AM
Originally posted by Lee


If you have an internal CD burner, when you open the tower, can you see the circuit boards of your burner?

No, the burners box is sealed. I can see the cables that lead to the power source of the comp. and the one to the mother board or whatever...

TennisHack
12-27-2002, 03:33 AM
Originally posted by Dissident

Alright, a simple calculus then...

In Brazil, we get average of 200-250 Reais/month.
One dollar is worth 3.5 reais.
So, were making like 250/3.5 a month in dollars. Thats a little more than 70 frigging Us dollars.
Ok, we dont have CD bruners made in here. So we have to bring them as imports. Now, get the price of one for you in dollars. Add the imports tax, and you will see how many months an ordinary worker has to work their asses out to buy some thing to get stuck in an year.

:fiery:

Well I'll just shut up then :(:o

Lee
12-27-2002, 03:36 AM
Originally posted by Dissident


No, the burners box is sealed. I can see the cables that lead to the power source of the comp. and the one to the mother board or whatever...

Then, that's not much I can think of because I can't ask you to open the burner box. This will void whatever warranty you have. I guess you already check the contacts of cables. If they look normal, the most likely problem for your burner is the circuit control the power is broken.

Dissident
12-27-2002, 03:39 AM
TH, dont feel like that. lol. Not in a million years i would think you should know all that before I told you. Tha fiery smilie was for the situation, not you. :D

And Lee, I really dont know what may be wrong. I will have to ask someone. I hope that just the cable is broken or something. :(

Dissident
12-27-2002, 03:42 AM
I should go to bed now. I have a headache because of the allergies... Not bad, but unconfortable anyway... :)
Good night everyone. And pray for the soul of my burner. lol

:wavey:

Lee
12-27-2002, 03:43 AM
Originally posted by Dissident

Alright, a simple calculus then...

In Brazil, we get average of 200-250 Reais/month.
One dollar is worth 3.5 reais.
So, were making like 250/3.5 a month in dollars. Thats a little more than 70 frigging Us dollars.
Ok, we dont have CD bruners made in here. So we have to bring them as imports. Now, get the price of one for you in dollars. Add the imports tax, and you will see how many months an ordinary worker has to work their asses out to buy some thing to get stuck in an year.

:fiery:

I understand your frustration, Dissident! One reason I am depressed when Christmas come is that children here in North America, even those under-privilege ones get lots of toys which are made in China where workers there making all those toys cannot send their children to school because after providing them with shelter and food, the parents cannot afford to buy the stationeries for their kids to attend school.

Lee
12-27-2002, 03:44 AM
Originally posted by Dissident
I should go to bed now. I have a headache because of the allergies... Not bad, but unconfortable anyway... :)
Good night everyone. And pray for the soul of my burner. lol

:wavey:

Good night! Hope you feel much better tomorrow! :wavey:

Praying!

TennisHack
12-27-2002, 03:46 AM
Originally posted by Dissident
TH, dont feel like that. lol. Not in a million years i would think you should know all that before I told you. Tha fiery smilie was for the situation, not you. :D

I know, I know. Just had sort of a bad day and I guess it's shown through. Plus its always frustrating when you guys are having computer problems :( and I can't do anything to help.

TennisHack
12-27-2002, 03:47 AM
Nightynight, D. I hope you feel better :wavey:

I'm going to go myself. No need to depress this place anymore than I have.

Lee
12-27-2002, 03:54 AM
I spend more time than I planned already so I better go too.

Good night TH! :wavey:

Chloe le Bopper
12-27-2002, 05:45 AM
Oh Hitman, we really do ahve to talk again soon.

Hope to see you on MSN sometime.

Lee
12-27-2002, 07:06 AM
A pic for Emma again!

http://photo.eastday.com/epublish/gb/paper5/20021227/class000500004/image/img853193_1.jpg

Vera
12-27-2002, 07:11 AM
Hi Lee :wavey:

and

Hi everyone :wavey:

I hope everyone had a wonderful Christmas! Mine was great. We even got a little bit of a white X'mas as the first patch of snow fell in the afternoon of 24th. But it wasn't much and the whole thing melted within 24 hours. Sure though it was exciting to see the place covered by a thin layer of snow just right at X'mas time.

And I got some great presents, including a ticket to the Canucks game tomorrow. Ahhhh, so exciting. The game is so expensive now and I don't got to watch it live too often, in fact, this is my first time this year. Anyway I hope it's gonna be a great game.

I'm sorry that Layla and Dissident still having problems with their computer and burner. I can't really offer any help but I'll pray for the souls of the 2 machines to get health again soon.

And as for Scott. I don't know what's going on at all since I don't visited WTA board and there's no way of finding out since there's so many threads in there to look. Anyhow, I'll check out Becca's new forum. This is the only board that I go but I'll follow you guys wherever you go. And I felt bad for Scott, I hope he don't get too angry about the ban. I'm actually very curious to know why the racists are not banned but the other are banned? And this place sounded like a big brother too :(.

Well, I gotta to go, I'm babysitting for my sister so I have to go read bedtime story for my nephew. Good night :wavey:

Chloe le Bopper
12-27-2002, 07:35 AM
Hey Vera!

Glad to hear you sound a little better than you were :)

A Canucks game, eh! That's wonderful - who is going with you? You must be thrilled at how they Canucks are doing this year :eek: When I checked a couple days ago they were tied for first in the entire NHL :eek: with rrr 44 or 45 points - but I just checked just now and see they are tied for Detroit with 47 points.

I cheer for Montreal and Toronto, but after those two it goes Canucks, Senators etc etc

Let us know how it goes :kiss:

How good are your seats?

Chloe le Bopper
12-27-2002, 07:37 AM
Vera - about Scott - don't worry he's feeling fine :)

He's always happy to talk to people at "The Cult" as it's been nicely named ;)

ILR
12-27-2002, 10:51 AM
:wavey:

damn computers :rolleyes: what can you do about them....*sigh* hope they get themselves sorted out the sooner the better!Nice pic Lee,still not wiinning any games :sad: the match finished 1-1.

Leo7
12-27-2002, 04:11 PM
Originally posted by TennisHack


Is it good? I've never played a tennis game so I don't know how to judge them. Heehee, I'd definitely have to leave that at home or else I'd never get work done at school!!

i've never really played a tennis game before this one either, so i can't compare it to other games. but so far i like playing it. i just started a new career as Lindsay. :)

ILR
12-27-2002, 04:15 PM
Hi Leo :wavey:

still here?

Leo7
12-27-2002, 04:22 PM
Originally posted by Lee


Have you been there? I plan to visit Grand Canyon coming summer if I have time since I want to go back to Canada and stay with my mom and siblings for a few weeks.

BTW Leo, do you know this week's, i.e. a few days ago, GG was a rerun or a new eppy. I have a new digital converter instead of the old analog one and I can't tape if the power of the convertor is not on. Thus, I have an hour of blank tape for this week.

yeah i've been to the grand canyon a few times. i never went down to the bottom though.

and this week's GG episode was a repeat.. the one when Lorelai meets that really boring guy at an auction.. i can't wait for new episodes to start again!

Leo7
12-27-2002, 04:29 PM
:wavey: Emma! :kiss:

ILR
12-27-2002, 04:30 PM
;) yes you are still here :kiss: I need to get my post count to past 40 a day average,Im slipping!:eek:;)

Leo7
12-27-2002, 04:34 PM
lol okay then stay with me a while dear :kiss:

i have to check my day average for posts...

ILR
12-27-2002, 04:35 PM
Okay I will do ;) :kiss: we keep missing each other!Did you have a nice xmas?:)

Leo7
12-27-2002, 04:35 PM
oh no i only post 26.17 posts per day. :( :sad:

ILR
12-27-2002, 04:36 PM
tut tut Leo baby ;):p

Leo7
12-27-2002, 04:41 PM
yes i had a lovely xmas. got to see my grandpa and auntie and cousins :)

ILR
12-27-2002, 04:43 PM
good :) I had a nice tme also I saw my Canadian auntie and uncle also and my cousins and it was nice and cozy but it rained and never snowed.Oh well,there is always next year.;) and my dad booked our holidays to Portugal!:D :bounce:

Leo7
12-27-2002, 04:43 PM
so what was your favorite christmas gift?

ILR
12-27-2002, 04:44 PM
hmmm well I got some lovely earrings and a gorgeous belly bar that looks like a diamond tear drop and some lovely clothes,but I think the thing that meant the most was a present from my friend,Nic.She gave me a picture of me and my 3 best friends in a lovely wooden frame and its really beautiful :)

Leo7
12-27-2002, 04:45 PM
cool, you're going to Portugal?! how exciting! :bounce: when is the vacation?

yeah, it snowed here all day. well actually there was some rain and thunder in the morning :eek: but after that it was all snow for hours and hours. in total i think we got something like 7 inches of powdery snow. perfect for sledding. :D

ILR
12-27-2002, 04:46 PM
Im going to Vilamoura in Portugal on the 18th July :bounce: I cant wait!

sledging :D cool,Ive never done that

Leo7
12-27-2002, 04:49 PM
Originally posted by IluvRogi
hmmm well I got some lovely earrings and a gorgeous belly bar that looks like a diamond tear drop and some lovely clothes,but I think the thing that meant the most was a present from my friend,Nic.She gave me a picture of me and my 3 best friends in a lovely wooden frame and its really beautiful :)

cool, that sounds like the perfect gift. i got some clothes too, some movies (The Breakfast Club, Double Jeopardy), and a great computer tennis game that i'm just addicted too. :D

ILR
12-27-2002, 04:51 PM
me and my brother got a tennis game also,between us,Virtua Tennis 2 on PS2

Leo7
12-27-2002, 04:53 PM
Originally posted by IluvRogi
Im going to Vilamoura in Portugal on the 18th July :bounce: I cant wait!

awesome, that will be so much fun! :bounce: i've always wanted to travel to Spain and Portugal.. maybe we'll go together one day :D can you speak Portugese at all? oh, and does this vacation fall during Wimby?

ILR
12-27-2002, 04:55 PM
lol the only things I can say are adeus,obrigado and oi ;) I think I posted some pics before of the town,well a few I could find.I dont think it does fall during Wimbly

Leo7
12-27-2002, 04:56 PM
i just found out today that my two tapes from Sports Resources won't be sent out until the middle of January, which means i prolly won't get them until February. i don't know if i can wait that long. :( i think in the future i won't be using Sports Resources as much. it's too expensive and delivery takes too long, even though they have some great matches that i can't find anywhere else... okay i'm done talking to myself. ;)

ILR
12-27-2002, 04:58 PM
Originally posted by IluvRogi
http://www.praialonga.com/img.photos/vilamoura.main2.jpg http://www.villavacationsworldwide.com/portugal/algarvedesc/vilamari.jpg http://www.villavacationsworldwide.com/portugal/algarvedesc/vilamari.jpg http://www.longshotgolf.co.uk/pageimages/algarve-mainpic.jpg http://www.jqcelticgolf.com/site/media/courses/portugal/new_vilamoura_old.jpg

just a few pics

here they are :)

Leo7
12-27-2002, 04:59 PM
Originally posted by IluvRogi
lol the only things I can say are adeus,obrigado and oi ;) I think I posted some pics before of the town,well a few I could find.I dont think it does fall during Wimbly

well that's a good start on Portugese. ;) oh, and forget what i said about Wimby. that ends in early July i believe.

ILR
12-27-2002, 05:03 PM
its OK,nothing wrong with talking to yourself ;) yeah I thought Wimbly was in June!

Leo7
12-27-2002, 05:05 PM
wow those pics are beautiful. :)