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TennisHack
11-18-2002, 07:47 PM
Hallo, again, everyone! :wavey:

hitman, you're sick, too? :( Damn, we should get together and commiserate. I still have some strawberry chocolate bars :D

ILR, looks like I've left you in my dust re: posts. You've got about 400 to go to catch up with me :o I still don't know what this level of dorkdom means, but oh well. I'm cool with that . . . er . . .

TennisHack
11-18-2002, 07:49 PM
Originally posted by hitman
Sure you can!

Oh my God, we will have a DOCTOR playing our game :bounce:
;)

I would ask you to take a look at the forum, read the rules, and take a look at the changes Im suggesting for next season.
Let me know if you have any doubt. :wavey:

Yeah, guys, there have been some interesting rule changes suggested :)

And woohoo :bounce: if Peedy plays then I'll automatically feel smart by association :o:D

ILR
11-18-2002, 07:51 PM
Hi Hackie :wavey:

well when I mean Im nearly there,well...you know what I mean ;) but if you're COOL with that then its OK.;) no idea how dorky you are now!

Lee
11-18-2002, 08:05 PM
:wavey: Hi Emma and TH :wavey:

I am raving mad now so I am not going to talk about tennis. So everyone feel free to ignore what I am going to post. I just need some avenue to vent my anger right now and I am shaking.

It's been 4 hours and I'm still very very mad so I decide to talk about it.

My mom just came back from Hong Kong and I talked to her this morning. She took the trip because my cousin is dying of cancer at that time. My mom visited her at the hospital and the next day she died. My mom stayed for a few weeks and 2 days ago, before her return, my cousin's husband asked her to lunch as farewell. In the restaurant, a woman showed up with my cousin's husband and sent out all the vibes that she's more than a friend with him. Afterward, my mom talked to my another cousin who lived in Hong Kong and she said they've been going on for a while. That woman had been to some social gatherings with my cousins in Hong Kong. My mom is still very upset right now and so as my sister and I.

How dare they did something like this! My cousin is dead and won't it be better that my mom know nothing about her husband's affair. OMG I can't go on.

ILR
11-18-2002, 08:08 PM
Lee :wavey:

woah,I really dont know what to say.Im so sorry :kiss: *hugs*:( Its OK to be angry,theres no need to worry about it.

Mrs. B
11-18-2002, 08:15 PM
Hi Guys!:wavey:

Better late than never! I've been doing housework (ironing-yuk!) so i couldn't come earlier. Plus i went to the city to get some things, including getting the new Pearl Jam cd which is great. I'm still listening to it now, and hubby likes it too. Thank you, Hitman. It's a good addition to my travel kit, which by the way includes a Djavan cd, a must when hanging out on the beach...:)

I just love "Thumbing My Way"! I'll learn to play that on my guitar...:D But the other songs are great too. I have to pump up the volume tomorrow when my neighbors go to work.

ILR
11-18-2002, 08:17 PM
Hi Mrs.B :wavey:

Yes we know you are going to be hanging out on the beach soon ;) and we'll all be thinking of you and Ill be jealous of you whilst Im sat in front of the fire with frostbite.............;)

Hey I wrote 2 new poems;)

Mrs. B
11-18-2002, 08:22 PM
Hey, Emma!

You wrote 2 new poems? Super! I'll have a look after this.

And hi, Lee! Sorry to hear about your cousin. Your Mom sounds like my Mom. I'd be upset, too.:mad:

TennisHack
11-18-2002, 08:34 PM
Lee, as you said yourself, this is the place to vent your frustration :)

That sounds just horrible! :eek: How disrespectful :rolleyes:

I'd be angry, too!! :mad: But, all we can offer are some hugs and words of encouragement so ..::many hugs to Lee::.. I hope it gets better somehow . . . :(

TennisHack
11-18-2002, 08:36 PM
Originally posted by Mrs. B
Plus i went to the city to get some things, including getting the new Pearl Jam cd which is great. I'm still listening to it now, and hubby likes it too. Thank you, Hitman. It's a good addition to my travel kit, which by the way includes a Djavan cd, a must when hanging out on the beach...:)

I just love "Thumbing My Way"! I'll learn to play that on my guitar...:D But the other songs are great too. I have to pump up the volume tomorrow when my neighbors go to work.

LMAO, you guys almost have me convinced that I need to get this CD ;) I'm not sure how you could further convince me, but I'm not quite there yet.

It just occurred to me that I haven't listened to any new music in, gosh, months! :eek: And my roommate just told me that Taylor Hanson just had a kid with his wife! :eek::eek: He's 19 and she's 18 by the way.

Leo7
11-18-2002, 08:38 PM
hi. :wavey:

Mrs. B
11-18-2002, 08:43 PM
Hi Leo! and hi again, Hackie!!! ;)

:wavey:

ILR
11-18-2002, 08:45 PM
Hi Leo :wavey:

Taylor Hansen?as in Zac and Isaac are his brothers?I thought Zac was kinda cute :o

Lee
11-18-2002, 08:46 PM
Thanks Emma, Mrs. B and TH for the hugs. I've been crying since than and I feel a little better.

It hurt so bad because my mom and my cousin were very close. My cousin's father died before she was born and my widowed aunt returned to her family to raise my cousin. My aunt was more like a mother than a sister to my father since my father is the youngest in the family. My cousin married her husband when she was very young and for almost 40 years, she looked after her husband and 4 children. She had no friends herself and my mom was her closest friend. Her oldest son is just 3 years younger than I. Late last year she was diagnosed with cancer and she had operation and was cured at that time. In spring this year, my aunt passed away (she was over 90 years old). My mom was back to Hong Kong for the funeral and she felt my cousin was still very stressed. My mom talked to her and she didn't mention her hubby's affair. She was a very traditional woman. My mom now felt so guilty because she kept thinking if she was told about this or noticed there is problem, she might help her and she wondered this was the reason that my cousin gave up fighting for her life. Her cancer came back for just 2 months when it took her life.

TennisHack
11-18-2002, 08:48 PM
Hey Leo & Mrs. B! :wavey:

Originally posted by IluvRogi
Taylor Hansen?as in Zac and Isaac are his brothers?I thought Zac was kinda cute :o

Yes, as in the most girly-looking brother of the teenybopper band Hanson. He got married a few years ago (at 17? I think?) and since then it's just gotten weirder and weirder :eek:

ILR
11-18-2002, 08:49 PM
lol girly band ;) well OK so I was about 10 when I thought Zac was cute :o mind you thts how old he was about!17?Wow thats pretty young,I had no idea!

TennisHack
11-18-2002, 08:50 PM
Originally posted by leecal
My mom now felt so guilty because she kept thinking if she was told about this or noticed there is problem, she might help her and she wondered this was the reason that my cousin gave up fighting for her life. Her cancer came back for just 2 months when it took her life.

:sad::sad::sad:

Wow. Just, wow.

I wish I had something comforting to say, but . . .

..::more hugs::..

ILR
11-18-2002, 08:51 PM
thats awful.:( it was cancer that killed my grandad and his brother. :sad: its horrible isnt it.Im so sorry :( :kiss:

Mrs. B
11-18-2002, 08:56 PM
LMAO, you guys almost have me convinced that I need to get this CD I'm not sure how you could further convince me, but I'm not quite there yet.

Well i bought Incubus' Morning Light CD cuz Layla kept talking about it here and she wrote down some of the lyrics too. And i just love it!
:D

Leo7
11-18-2002, 08:56 PM
i'm so sorry too, Lee. that is just awful news. :sad: my mom's cousin recently died from cancer too. it's so terrible. :sad:

ILR
11-18-2002, 08:57 PM
Im sorry for you Leo too :(

I have to go to bed now.Bye :wavey:

TennisHack
11-18-2002, 08:59 PM
Goodnight, ILR! :wavey:

Originally posted by Mrs. B
Well i bought Incubus' Morning Light CD cuz Layla kept talking about it here and she wrote down some of the lyrics too. And i just love it!
:D

Mmm, you can't go wrong with Incubus. I think I chimed in with some praise for that one :D Some of the story's songs are Incubus songs, especially the romantic ones :o

I'm broke right now, but I'll get it as soon as I can, LOL. I trust you guys' music judgment ;)

TennisHack
11-18-2002, 09:00 PM
..::many hugs for everyone who's lose someone to cancer::..

ILR
11-18-2002, 09:01 PM
I think thats most people here Hackie :( Thanks.goodnight :)

TennisHack
11-18-2002, 09:03 PM
Well, everyone wants to go to dinner early, so I'll hopefully catch some of you guys later! :wavey:

Lee
11-18-2002, 09:04 PM
:wavey: Goodnight Emma! :wavey:

Thanks Leo!

I felt much better now. Tomorrow, when I go to my Tae Kwon Do class, you guys please help pray for my opponents there during the sparring session.

Leo7
11-18-2002, 09:04 PM
:wavey: Emma! sweet dreams darling. :kiss:

i always thought the youngest Hanson brother (don't know his name) looked kinda like Tara Lapinski. you know, the figure skater. :p

Lee
11-18-2002, 09:05 PM
Bye TH and thanks for the hugs again! :wavey:

Lee
11-18-2002, 09:07 PM
Originally posted by Leo7
i always thought the youngest Hanson brother (don't know his name) looked kinda like Tara Lapinski. you know, the figure skater. :p

It's until i stumbled onto a MTV show with the Hansons as the guests that I know for sure Zac & Issac are not girls.

Leo7
11-18-2002, 09:08 PM
:wavey: Hackie. have fun at dinner. ;)

Leo7
11-18-2002, 09:11 PM
lol @ Hacks. :D

Dissident
11-18-2002, 09:14 PM
Originally posted by IluvRogi
Layla,yep it is Physical Education ;) I WILL get an A in that,I believe in myself ;) Hmmm I think my mum was expecting me to get a lot of A;s but she doesnt really understand that its very difficult.I understand she only wants the best for me though.

I was really pleased to be named as vice :D My best friend is captain so Im happy for her.It is very cold indeed.

Hey Hitman :wavey:

you guessed right ;) Liverpool are my boys :)

Good luck, first of all.

Second, I used to like Manchester United, but as they are packed with boring players, I can say Liverpool is my second choice. :p
I cant like the ManU anymore. :(

Mrs. B
11-18-2002, 09:16 PM
Originally posted by leecal
:
I felt much better now. Tomorrow, when I go to my Tae Kwon Do class, you guys please help pray for my opponents there during the sparring session.

lol @ Lee

don't break anyone's bones, ok? ;)

Leo7
11-18-2002, 09:16 PM
:wavey: hitman.

Leo7
11-18-2002, 09:18 PM
and hey Mrs. B :wavey:

Leo7
11-18-2002, 09:19 PM
im approaching 4000 posts :D

Lee
11-18-2002, 09:20 PM
Originally posted by Mrs. B


lol @ Lee

don't break anyone's bones, ok? ;)

I'll try my best. The first time I had the sparring session, my instructor said imagine your opponent as someone you hate and I said I really couldn't think of anyone. Now, I had some people on my mind.

We wear protective gear during the sparring so basically we are pretty safe but I did accidentally hit my instructors shoulder twice where there is no protection.

Mrs. B
11-18-2002, 09:20 PM
Thumbing My Way


I have not been home since you left long ago.
I'm thumbing my way back to heaven.
Counting steps. Walking backwards on the road.
I'm counting my way back to heaven. (seven) ;)

I can't be free with what's locked inside of me.
If there was a key you took it in your hands.
There's no wrong or right but I'm sure there's good and bad.
The questions linger overhead.

No matter how cold the winter, there's a springtimeahead.
I'm thumbing my way back to heaven.
I'd wish that I could hold you. I'd wish that I had.
Thinking about heaven.

I let go of a rope. Thinking that's what held me back.
And in time I've realized it's now wrapped around my neck.
I can't see what's next from this lonely overpass.
Hang my head and count my steps as another car goes past.

All the rusted signs we ignore throughout our lives.
Choosing the shiny ones instead.
I turned my back. Now there's no turning back.

No matter how cold the winter, there's a springtime ahead.
I smile but who am I kidding.
I'm just walking the miles. Every once in a while I get a ride.
I'm thumbing my way back to heaven.


:angel:

Lee
11-18-2002, 09:20 PM
:wavey: Hi Hitman! :wavey:

Lee
11-18-2002, 09:22 PM
Mrs. B, thanks for the lovely poem or lyrics!

Dissident
11-18-2002, 09:22 PM
Originally posted by Mrs. B
Hi Guys!:wavey:

Better late than never! I've been doing housework (ironing-yuk!) so i couldn't come earlier. Plus i went to the city to get some things, including getting the new Pearl Jam cd which is great. I'm still listening to it now, and hubby likes it too. Thank you, Hitman. It's a good addition to my travel kit, which by the way includes a Djavan cd, a must when hanging out on the beach...:)

I just love "Thumbing My Way"! I'll learn to play that on my guitar...:D But the other songs are great too. I have to pump up the volume tomorrow when my neighbors go to work.

Djavan! :eek: I never figured someone would know him out of here. :) You would like Chico Buarque as well? His songs are so good, and he is probably the best poet-song writer around here. VERY good.

Im glad you liked the album. I needed a second opinion, since I am a little biased *cough*. As I said before, I cant stop listening to this cd, but I have this problem. :p

Dissident
11-18-2002, 09:25 PM
Originally posted by leecal
Thanks Emma, Mrs. B and TH for the hugs. I've been crying since than and I feel a little better.

It hurt so bad because my mom and my cousin were very close. My cousin's father died before she was born and my widowed aunt returned to her family to raise my cousin. My aunt was more like a mother than a sister to my father since my father is the youngest in the family. My cousin married her husband when she was very young and for almost 40 years, she looked after her husband and 4 children. She had no friends herself and my mom was her closest friend. Her oldest son is just 3 years younger than I. Late last year she was diagnosed with cancer and she had operation and was cured at that time. In spring this year, my aunt passed away (she was over 90 years old). My mom was back to Hong Kong for the funeral and she felt my cousin was still very stressed. My mom talked to her and she didn't mention her hubby's affair. She was a very traditional woman. My mom now felt so guilty because she kept thinking if she was told about this or noticed there is problem, she might help her and she wondered this was the reason that my cousin gave up fighting for her life. Her cancer came back for just 2 months when it took her life.

Im so sorry! Those things are really tough to swallow.
When my dad was in the hospital (he also died of cancer), we had some problems as well. Different nature, but also has to do with trust.
I can totally understand your pain. But dont you worry, time is the best medicine for that. :)

Dissident
11-18-2002, 09:26 PM
Oh geesh, whats on mtv..
We talking about Pearl Jam, Djavan and Chico Buarque and they put NEW KIDS ON THE BLOCK Step by Step.

They are very new, I must say. :rolleyes:

Totally coooooooool! :rolleyes:

Dissident
11-18-2002, 09:27 PM
Hello everyone btw! :wavey:

Im still checking the thread. Ill be back. :)

Dissident
11-18-2002, 09:29 PM
Originally posted by leecal


It's until i stumbled onto a MTV show with the Hansons as the guests that I know for sure Zac & Issac are not girls.


Are you sure??? I mean, I thought.... Ouch!

;)

Mrs. B
11-18-2002, 09:30 PM
Originally posted by leecal
Mrs. B, thanks for the lovely poem or lyrics!

I think Hitman already posted that here somewhere. It's from the new Pearl Jam album, i've listened to it while doing my ironing, it grows on you, and i like it cuz it's not all loud and heavy, it's mixed with some mellow stuff with great acoustic guitars, and that voice!!!

:)

Lee
11-18-2002, 09:30 PM
Thanks Hitman! I'm sorry about your father. It's not easy to lost a parent especially when you're so young. I lost my father to cancer more than 10 years ago too.

Lee
11-18-2002, 09:34 PM
Originally posted by hitman



Are you sure??? I mean, I thought.... Ouch!

;)

:) Thanks hitman, you make me smile first time since I talked to my mom. Am I sure? I really can't say 100% but I did remember they kind of said they liked girls. But yeah....

Dissident
11-18-2002, 09:39 PM
Originally posted by Mrs. B


I think Hitman already posted that here somewhere. It's from the new Pearl Jam album, i've listened to it while doing my ironing, it grows on you, and i like it cuz it's not all loud and heavy, it's mixed with some mellow stuff with great acoustic guitars, and that voice!!!

:)

Indeed, Eddie´s voice is like a magnet.
And the whole band is just :eek:
How can you complain of the Vedder-Gossard-McCready-Ament-Cameron combo??

Cameron plays some wicked guitar on You Are as well, Mrs B. The song has a little bit of blues bass in it. ;)

Dissident
11-18-2002, 09:41 PM
Originally posted by leecal


:) Thanks hitman, you make me smile first time since I talked to my mom. Am I sure? I really can't say 100% but I did remember they kind of said they liked girls. But yeah....

You´re welcome, lee. :D
I guess that´s the one thing I do well: making people laugh. :p
Im glad it worked. ;)

But you should have seen Step by Step on MTV, that would not make you smile, you would literally crack. :D
Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo lame! ROTLMAO!

Lee
11-18-2002, 09:44 PM
Originally posted by hitman


You´re welcome, lee. :D
I guess that´s the one thing I do well: making people laugh. :p
Im glad it worked. ;)

But you should have seen Step by Step on MTV, that would not make you smile, you would literally crack. :D
Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo lame! ROTLMAO!

You forget I said I stumbled to that MTV show. It's not likely I will stumble to Step by Step but never say never.

Lee
11-18-2002, 09:45 PM
:wavey: Bye everybody! My son will be home soon and I will have a long evening ahead of me.

Anyway, thanks for all the hugs and support. I feel much better now and I'm glad my son won't see me crying when he's home.

Dissident
11-18-2002, 09:48 PM
More lyrics... ;)

GHOST

the mind is grey,... like the city
packing in and overgrown
love is deep... dig it out
standing in a hole alone
working for something,.. one can never hold
a place in the clouds.
good place to hide oh my oh.

so im flying... away, away
driving... away, away

seeking new ways, before i miss it all (miss it all)

the tv, she talks to me
breaking news and building walls
selling me, what i dont need
didnt know soap made you taller

so im riding.... away, away
hiding... away, away

so much talk it makes no sense at all

so im flying... away, away
driving... away, away

passing old friends i dont know at all (dont know at all)

it doesnt hurt... when i bleed
but memories they eat me
ive seen it all before,....
bring it on cause im no victim.

words - Ament/Vedder
music - Ament

Dissident
11-18-2002, 09:49 PM
Bye bye lee! :wavey:

Chin and shoulders up, dont forget body language ;)

Dissident
11-18-2002, 09:55 PM
I AM MINE

The selfish, theyre all standing in line
faithing and poping to buy themselves time
me, i figure as each breath goes by
i only own my mind

the north is to south what the clock is to time
theres east and theres west and theres everywhere life
i know i was born and i know that ill die
the in between is mine
i am mine

and the feelings, it gets left behind
all the innocence lost at one time
significant, behind the eyes
theres no need to hide,.....
we´re safe tonight

the ocean is full cause everyones crying
the full moon is looking for friends at hightide
the sorrow grows bigger when the sorrows denied
i only know my mind
i am mine

and the meaning, it gets left behind
all the innocents lost at one time
significant, behind the eyes
theres no need to hide,...
we´re safe tonight

and the feelings that get left behind
all the innocence broken with lies
significance, between the lines
(we may need to hide)

and the meanings that get left behind
all the innocents lost at one time
we´re all different behind the eyes
theres no need to hide.

words/music - Vedder

Mrs. B
11-18-2002, 09:56 PM
Hitman, i've never heard of Chico Buarque but i'll look him up. I haven't heard Djavan's new CD, i've listened to his old ones from way back in the early 90's. But i can play him over and over and i never get tired of it. He is just wonderful (drool) and my beach life is not the same without his music in the background. It's a pity i don't know Portuguese, but he sings some of his lyrics in English too. One of my fave is Bird of Paradise, which i think was done by Michael Franks.

Dissident
11-18-2002, 09:56 PM
Hope this helps convincing TH. ;)

Cant you download one of the songs and listen to it first, Hackie? Im not sure about the others, but I am mine is around, since I downloaded the clip. :D

Vera
11-18-2002, 09:58 PM
Hi Guys:wavey:

I'm back. Anyone missed me? :)

I missed you guys terribly, bcos after the weekend, I just needed very much a shoulder to cry on:sad: :sad: :sad:

Dissident
11-18-2002, 09:58 PM
I see, Mrs B
Ill try to dig one of Buarque´s best lyrics, and Ill translate them. Lets see if I dont screw his song completely. :p

Leo7
11-18-2002, 09:58 PM
i'm gonna go too. dinner time. :wavey:

Dissident
11-18-2002, 09:59 PM
Hello Vera, finally!
Welcome back! :wavey:

It was a pretty hard weekend, yes. :(
We´re talking about music now. It always helps to cheer up. ;)

Leo7
11-18-2002, 10:00 PM
btw, i won my first FATP match as Max Mirnyi (beating Mario Ancic in 3 sets) :) but then lost to Agassi 0-6, 6-1, 6-4. :( oh well, at least i bagelled the asshole. :D Layla lost as Juanqui in the singles to Paradorn but won the 1st round with Tina Pisnik in mixed doubles. :)

Vera
11-18-2002, 10:02 PM
Hi Hitman, and bye Leo and Lee and whoever's leaving.

Good. Music is great, I terribly need some distraction bcos it's too tough. :sad:

Dissident
11-18-2002, 10:02 PM
Congrats Leo.
Have fun with the dinner. ;)
:wavey:

Dissident
11-18-2002, 10:03 PM
Vera, do you like Pearl Jam?

:bounce:

Vera
11-18-2002, 10:04 PM
I heard their new album and I like it. But I don't follow the band.

Vera
11-18-2002, 10:05 PM
And they were on Jay Leno last week, or was it Letterman.:D

Vera
11-18-2002, 10:06 PM
Hey, I like this new thread name. How appropiate!:bounce:

Yes, Juanqui, 2003 is gonna be your year!

Puss-in-Boots
11-18-2002, 10:07 PM
Just a quick :wavey: to all :)

Unfortunately I can't stay long, cos 1) I am at work, and 2) they're already giving me a hard time about my internet usage stats (they've apparently gone through the roof since I discovered these boards :eek: :o )

In FATP Johansson has lost early in both singles and doubles... the doubles loss was 7-6(4) 6-7(7) 8-10 after leading 5-2 in the third :mad: . Pff... on to the mixed. :p

Thanks for letting me join your game, Hitman! I'll read up on it once I get back from work this evening! :) *blush* @ some people, well, I'm not a 'real' doctor. ;) I did computational work and am now in math for a good reason, if you guys ever saw how inept I was in the lab, you wouldn't want me anywhere near you with medical tools. :p

Am off now, :wavey: everyone! :)

Vera
11-18-2002, 10:09 PM
Hi and bye, Doc:wavey: Have fun at work.

And Hitman, I like to join your game for next year, pls sign me and let me know the rules.

Vera
11-18-2002, 10:11 PM
And I'll take a break from here. I actually just got back from out of town, it was a very long drive and my back is sore. So I'll take a rest first and come back on later the day. Hopefully, someone will be around.

Bye Hitman. :wavey: You have a wonderful evening.

Mrs. B
11-18-2002, 10:11 PM
Hi Vera!:wavey:

Welcome back! We missed you over the weekend! :)

I'm about to go to bed so hope Hitman keeps you company. See you tomorrow. :)

Ciao!

Mrs. B
11-18-2002, 10:13 PM
Bye, Hitman!

thanks for the music! :)

Dissident
11-18-2002, 10:14 PM
Great, Allan. :wavey: Welcome!

And Vera, the game is Atp Manager, and the rules are posted in the games forum. We have a forum for it in there. ;)
Just check it and read them. Also, take a look at the 2003 season thread after you finish with the rules. It contains the suggestions of changes for next year. :)

And Pearl Jam were on Letterman.
I guess they sang I Am Mine (new album) and Alive, I guess

TennisHack
11-18-2002, 10:15 PM
Originally posted by Leo7
lol @ Hacks. :D

I did something funny? :confused:

Dissident
11-18-2002, 10:16 PM
Im alone, so...
Im gonna see a movie now, will be back when its over
:wavey: if someone comes! :)

TennisHack
11-18-2002, 10:17 PM
Originally posted by hitman
Oh geesh, whats on mtv..
We talking about Pearl Jam, Djavan and Chico Buarque and they put NEW KIDS ON THE BLOCK Step by Step.

They are very new, I must say. :rolleyes:

Totally coooooooool! :rolleyes:

Ugh, NKOTB ::gagging noises::

But, unfortunately, they are the only ones I recognize besides PJ :o:o:o

TennisHack
11-18-2002, 10:20 PM
Originally posted by leecal
:wavey: Bye everybody! My son will be home soon and I will have a long evening ahead of me.

Anyway, thanks for all the hugs and support. I feel much better now and I'm glad my son won't see me crying when he's home.

..::mining more hugs for Lee to find when she comes back::..

Yes, one of my dearest friends from home's mother is a counselor, and she told me that it takes about two years to fully recover from the loss of a family member.

But you're welcome for all of the support we can give you here :)

TennisHack
11-18-2002, 10:22 PM
Originally posted by hitman
Hope this helps convincing TH. ;)

Cant you download one of the songs and listen to it first, Hackie? Im not sure about the others, but I am mine is around, since I downloaded the clip. :D

LOL, yes, yes it does help :kiss:

Where do you suggest I get the clips? Layla directed me to MTV.com for something else and I'll look around while I'm there. Basically, I want to find it for free if I can, without having to join a downloading service.

So get creative, LOL :D

TennisHack
11-18-2002, 10:24 PM
Originally posted by Vera
Hi Guys:wavey:

I'm back. Anyone missed me? :)

I missed you guys terribly, bcos after the weekend, I just needed very much a shoulder to cry on:sad: :sad: :sad:

Hi, Vera! :wavey:

Yes, of course we missed you! :eek: But maybe it's better than you weren't around over the weekend, things got a little . . . edgy. We're all still recovering :(

TennisHack
11-18-2002, 10:25 PM
Originally posted by Leo7
btw, i won my first FATP match as Max Mirnyi (beating Mario Ancic in 3 sets) :) but then lost to Agassi 0-6, 6-1, 6-4. :( oh well, at least i bagelled the asshole. :D Layla lost as Juanqui in the singles to Paradorn but won the 1st round with Tina Pisnik in mixed doubles. :)

That sucks! :( Yes, get your revenge on Agassihole :D I bet that bagel was really sweet :lick:

Good luck you two! :bounce:

TennisHack
11-18-2002, 10:29 PM
Originally posted by Dr. Peedy
*blush* @ some people, well, I'm not a 'real' doctor. ;) I did computational work and am now in math for a good reason, if you guys ever saw how inept I was in the lab, you wouldn't want me anywhere near you with medical tools. :p

Aww, poor DP :o That kinda sucks that they measure your internet usage but I guess they want to keep costs down. Oh, well.

And hey! A PhD in ANYTHING (well, except perhaps unicorn studies) is nothing to sneeze at! And I didn't mean a medical doctor when I said I'd be smart by association ;)

The game is going to be a lot of fun, especially if we have more players! :bounce:

TennisHack
11-18-2002, 10:30 PM
Originally posted by hitman
Im alone, so...
Im gonna see a movie now, will be back when its over
:wavey: if someone comes! :)

You weren't alone! :eek: Actually, we just missed each other--you came as I left, and vicie versie. :(

Now I'm all alone. :(

Layla
11-18-2002, 10:41 PM
Oh Lee, my condolances to you and your mother. :sad: I'm sorry I wasn't here in time to give you comforting words but here are belated hugs *many, many hugs* We're here whenever you need to talk about it. I lost both my grandfathers to cancer so it seems all of here have lost family members to cancer. I find that really scary. :eek:

But your story about your mom's cousin just broke my heart. :sad: Sometimes I can't believe the cruelty people are capable of. The one person who should have been there for her was having an affair with another woman? :mad: And he wasn't even trying to hide it. That's... I have no words to describe it. :( What she must have gone through. I just hope her children loved her very much and she could take some comfort in that.

I know there's nothing I can say to make you feel better. I will send you and your mother some positive energy and peaceful thoughts. She probably needs you very much at such a terrible time.

Take care. :wavey: *more hugs*

Layla
11-18-2002, 10:45 PM
You're not alone yet TH, but you will be any minute now, because it's late and I'm going to bed. I need my beauty sleep. :angel: Not that it would help, but a woman can try. :p

Good night everyone I've missed today, TH, Hitman, Lee, Leo, Becca (if she's around), Vera and I don't think I said goodnight to Emma even though we had a conversation earlier. :wavey:

Sweet dreams. :)

http://www.jordysworld.de/emoticons/xvergnuegen01.gif

Chloe le Bopper
11-18-2002, 11:14 PM
BTW, love the new thread title :D

Thanks - I wasn't feeling overly inspired, but remember "something postive and happy"

So this summed it up I think :)

Chloe le Bopper
11-18-2002, 11:18 PM
Originally posted by leecal
:wavey: Hi Emma and TH :wavey:

I am raving mad now so I am not going to talk about tennis. So everyone feel free to ignore what I am going to post. I just need some avenue to vent my anger right now and I am shaking.

It's been 4 hours and I'm still very very mad so I decide to talk about it.

My mom just came back from Hong Kong and I talked to her this morning. She took the trip because my cousin is dying of cancer at that time. My mom visited her at the hospital and the next day she died. My mom stayed for a few weeks and 2 days ago, before her return, my cousin's husband asked her to lunch as farewell. In the restaurant, a woman showed up with my cousin's husband and sent out all the vibes that she's more than a friend with him. Afterward, my mom talked to my another cousin who lived in Hong Kong and she said they've been going on for a while. That woman had been to some social gatherings with my cousins in Hong Kong. My mom is still very upset right now and so as my sister and I.

How dare they did something like this! My cousin is dead and won't it be better that my mom know nothing about her husband's affair. OMG I can't go on.

I'm sorry you are having a rough time :( But you can always vent your anger here, we would never ignore you. That's what our little cove here is for, right? To talk about stuff, help each other out, share stuff etc.

Anyhow - That is an awful situation :(

I'm sorry you and your family had to find out about it like that.

I'm sure more was said on this, but I haven't read any further yet.

But anytime you wanna vent, vent.

Chloe le Bopper
11-18-2002, 11:38 PM
While we are talking about cancer -

I've never had anyone immediate to me, pass away from it. But various uncles and aunts i never had the chance to meet, and people close to my freinds have.

It's just awful :sad:

My friend lost her father when we were in our last year of highschool - he was given 9 months to live after being first diagnosed (his mother and brother died of the same kind of brain tumor), but went on for another year and a half or so.

I didn't know him well, but he was a very nice man, and a very good family man- good father and husband. It was all just terrible :sad:

I remember sometimes she would leave class, or miss weeks on end dealing with him in the hospital and stuff - and some stupid kids who didn't know what was going on would make snide remarks like "why the hell don't you come to class anymore" - she told me the urge to make them feel like the scum of the earth and tell them why was overwhelming but she held back and kept a brave face.

She's a very strong girl.

Anyhow, I dunno why I'm rambling about this. But I guess that was the first time it hit close to home that stuff like that happens. I mean my grandma passed away, and an aunt and uncle - but I wasn't close to any, and my grandma lived a very long full life. So while it hurts, it is not the same at all.

Eventually I had to deal with people I know passing away for other reasons - but that was my first real taste of it I guess.

My group of freinds kind of divided in and around all of that - we all grew up and apart I guess.

I remember the Terry Fox assembly, they showed the video clips and I had to leave with her and we just sat in the park and talked :sad:

There was nothing I could say, but sometimes listening is all you can do.

Anyhow - I remember yous post on tennisweek Hitman, about all that was happening. It was very beautiful (in a sad way) you know, I still remember it :sad:

Dissident
11-19-2002, 12:22 AM
Originally posted by TennisHack


LOL, yes, yes it does help :kiss:

Where do you suggest I get the clips? Layla directed me to MTV.com for something else and I'll look around while I'm there. Basically, I want to find it for free if I can, without having to join a downloading service.

So get creative, LOL :D

I dont need to get creative, I am already. *cough*
Anyway, I have a solution for your problem.
You need to have Real Player though. ;)

http://brazil.real.com/guide/pnon.html?t=3level&p=music&sp=rock

You will see this picture there:
http://brazil.real.com/guide/r1-img-global/part_193x145_mask.gif

Dissident
11-19-2002, 12:25 AM
Originally posted by TennisHack


You weren't alone! :eek: Actually, we just missed each other--you came as I left, and vicie versie. :(

Now I'm all alone. :(

And now you left. :(
Oh well, I left a link to the videoclip, although the picture didnt work (again :p)

:wavey:

Chloe le Bopper
11-19-2002, 12:33 AM
HITMAN *hug*

Dissident
11-19-2002, 12:34 AM
Originally posted by Rebecca
While we are talking about cancer -

I've never had anyone immediate to me, pass away from it. But various uncles and aunts i never had the chance to meet, and people close to my freinds have.

It's just awful :sad:

My friend lost her father when we were in our last year of highschool - he was given 9 months to live after being first diagnosed (his mother and brother died of the same kind of brain tumor), but went on for another year and a half or so.

I didn't know him well, but he was a very nice man, and a very good family man- good father and husband. It was all just terrible :sad:

I remember sometimes she would leave class, or miss weeks on end dealing with him in the hospital and stuff - and some stupid kids who didn't know what was going on would make snide remarks like "why the hell don't you come to class anymore" - she told me the urge to make them feel like the scum of the earth and tell them why was overwhelming but she held back and kept a brave face.

She's a very strong girl.

Anyhow, I dunno why I'm rambling about this. But I guess that was the first time it hit close to home that stuff like that happens. I mean my grandma passed away, and an aunt and uncle - but I wasn't close to any, and my grandma lived a very long full life. So while it hurts, it is not the same at all.

Eventually I had to deal with people I know passing away for other reasons - but that was my first real taste of it I guess.

My group of freinds kind of divided in and around all of that - we all grew up and apart I guess.

I remember the Terry Fox assembly, they showed the video clips and I had to leave with her and we just sat in the park and talked :sad:

There was nothing I could say, but sometimes listening is all you can do.

Anyhow - I remember yous post on tennisweek Hitman, about all that was happening. It was very beautiful (in a sad way) you know, I still remember it :sad:

Its very tough. You have to win a huge battle every day. It was the ultimate cruelty what happened to my father. Its still very hard to talk about it.
The letter you read was my way of venting the anger, the frustration, the anxiety (he was still in the hospital by that time), the whole sadness. I was like shit that time. I just needed to say something in some way, and needed someone to listen. I couldnt actually say it. So I wrote a letter, to read to someone. I couldnt, so I showed it to my gf, and I guess my mom read too, and posted it to the board. It was curious that the whole thing came to my mind in english. My father has a translation to portuguese in his pocket right now. It was a way I had to make him know what I was thinking and I couldnt say because it would make him sad. :sad:
Its still a huge wound. I dont think two years is enough at all. We get over stuff, but the wound is open forever. :(

Dissident
11-19-2002, 12:35 AM
Hello Rebbie! :wavey:

Im hungry, but I cant eat because my stomach is a total mess :sad:

Ill try to get something though.

Chloe le Bopper
11-19-2002, 12:41 AM
aww hope your tummy feels better :sad:

And now - those aren't things we get over. They are a part of us forever - but eventually the hurt turns more to fond memories, and while it is still there, it is less.

Dissident
11-19-2002, 01:11 AM
I had to eat cookies. I was not supposed to, since theres milk in them, and it can make me sicker. :( But there was nothing better, so... Better sick than starving. :p

I had another medicine now, I guess it will be good tomorrow. And I have the morning off from work, so it is all good. I guess Im being a cry baby. :D

Leo7
11-19-2002, 01:12 AM
Originally posted by TennisHack


I did something funny? :confused:

your comment on the Hanson brothers had me cracking up. :D

Leo7
11-19-2002, 01:20 AM
great thread title, Becca. pure genius. :D

awww hitman, you poor thing. hope your stomach gets better. ;)

Dissident
11-19-2002, 01:23 AM
Theres an article wrote by my dear pal Richard Pagliaro on TennisWeek about Ferrero:

Ferrero Commits To Sydney

By Richard Pagliaro
11/18/2002


The adidas International is staged in Sydney, but will feature a Spanish flavor in January. Tennis Masters Cup runner-up Juan Carlos Ferrero has joined compatriots Carlos Moya and Albert Costa in committing to the Australian Open tune-up tournament, which is scheduled for January 5-11th, 2003.


The 22-year-old Roland Garros runner-up pushed defending champion Lleyton Hewitt to five sets before falling to Hewitt in the final of yesterday's Tennis Masters Cup, 7-5, 7-5, 2-6, 2-6, 6-4.

Tournament organizers believe they have assembled one of the strongest fields in the history of the adidas International. In addition to the Spanish trio, former No. 1 Marat Safin and Americans Andy Roddick and James Blake will play in the eight-man event.

Three of the seven confirmed starters in the tournament — Costa, Moya and Safin — are former Grand Slam champions.

The top-ranked Hewitt — who started and ended the 2001 season with Sydney triumphs, winning the adidas International and ending the year by capturing the Tennis Masters Cup in Sydney — will not play the event in January. Hewitt will instead compete at the Hopman Cup. Last January, Hewitt contracted a case of the chicken pox, which contributed to his upset loss to Alberto Martin in the opening-round of the Australian Open. In an effort to save his strength for the one Slam in which he has never reached the quarterfinals, Hewitt has reduced his January schedule.

Leo7
11-19-2002, 01:32 AM
you are the bringer of great news, hitty! thank you thank you thank you! :D

kick some ass in Sydney, Juan Carlos! :bounce: he seeems to play well down there, remember TMC 2001. ;)

TennisHack
11-19-2002, 01:53 AM
:wavey: Hello again!

TennisHack
11-19-2002, 01:58 AM
Originally posted by hitman
I dont need to get creative, I am already. *cough*
Anyway, I have a solution for your problem.
You need to have Real Player though. ;)

And you said you weren't creative in the story thread ;) It's loading now . . .

ARGH! I hate Real Player, it's so damn choppy :fiery: But you probably got your intended effect: huge breath in ;) I haven't heard new PJ in a really long time.

TennisHack
11-19-2002, 02:03 AM
Originally posted by hitman
Its very tough. You have to win a huge battle every day. It was the ultimate cruelty what happened to my father. Its still very hard to talk about it.
The letter you read was my way of venting the anger, the frustration, the anxiety (he was still in the hospital by that time), the whole sadness. I was like shit that time. I just needed to say something in some way, and needed someone to listen. I couldnt actually say it. So I wrote a letter, to read to someone. I couldnt, so I showed it to my gf, and I guess my mom read too, and posted it to the board. It was curious that the whole thing came to my mind in english. My father has a translation to portuguese in his pocket right now. It was a way I had to make him know what I was thinking and I couldnt say because it would make him sad. :sad:
Its still a huge wound. I dont think two years is enough at all. We get over stuff, but the wound is open forever. :(

First of all, ..::many hugs::..

You make me want to cry :sad: but not in a bad way. You're just so stoic and I don't know how you deal with it at all. I'm glad you were able to get your feelings out because I know how tough it can be when you feel you have to hold back for the sake of others. I'm sorry I wasn't around when this happened :(

It is interesting that you thought in English, and expect that to become a point of future conversation ;)

I also think that some of the "traditions" you have to deal with, hitman, are part of the reason the wound is still open. If you could go away from it for 2 full years and deal with the grief and anger and sadness and whatever else you felt, it would probably be enough. You could move on with your life.

God, what a sad subject :(:sad:

TennisHack
11-19-2002, 02:04 AM
Originally posted by hitman
I had to eat cookies. I was not supposed to, since theres milk in them, and it can make me sicker. :( But there was nothing better, so... Better sick than starving. :p

I had another medicine now, I guess it will be good tomorrow. And I have the morning off from work, so it is all good. I guess Im being a cry baby. :D

Aww, you're not being whiny. It's all a part of being sick, you're supposed to be doted on :)

Lee
11-19-2002, 02:08 AM
:wavey: Hi everyone! :wavey:

Thanks Layla and Becca! I feel much better now.

And Hitman, thanks for trying to make me smile even your tummy is having a revolution. Anyway, it is always safe to keep some soda cracker at home. See, I am better since I shift back to 'Mom' mode instead of 'Anger' mode.

TennisHack
11-19-2002, 02:09 AM
Originally posted by hitman
Tournament organizers believe they have assembled one of the strongest fields in the history of the adidas International. In addition to the Spanish trio, former No. 1 Marat Safin and Americans Andy Roddick and James Blake will play in the eight-man event.

Another case of spot the error? :confused:

This is great, though, that he's going to start the year off right ;) And no Hewitt, even better :D

hitman, I can't get your clip to fully load :( I guess I will have to make due with the few choppy notes I heard and try to find it somewhere else. :(

TennisHack
11-19-2002, 02:12 AM
Originally posted by leecal
And Hitman, thanks for trying to make me smile even your tummy is having a revolution. Anyway, it is always safe to keep some soda cracker at home.

Have you also heard of drinking flat Coca-Cola to settle a stomach? It really does help, if you can get past the nastiness of flat Coke.

Lee
11-19-2002, 02:13 AM
Originally posted by hitman


Its very tough. You have to win a huge battle every day. It was the ultimate cruelty what happened to my father. Its still very hard to talk about it.
The letter you read was my way of venting the anger, the frustration, the anxiety (he was still in the hospital by that time), the whole sadness. I was like shit that time. I just needed to say something in some way, and needed someone to listen. I couldnt actually say it. So I wrote a letter, to read to someone. I couldnt, so I showed it to my gf, and I guess my mom read too, and posted it to the board. It was curious that the whole thing came to my mind in english. My father has a translation to portuguese in his pocket right now. It was a way I had to make him know what I was thinking and I couldnt say because it would make him sad. :sad:
Its still a huge wound. I dont think two years is enough at all. We get over stuff, but the wound is open forever. :(

Here's another HUG for you Hitman!

Chloe le Bopper
11-19-2002, 02:55 AM
GROUP HUG :D

Lee
11-19-2002, 03:09 AM
Originally posted by Rebecca
GROUP HUG :D

I think Layla has a nice little pic. somewhere here.:)

Vera
11-19-2002, 03:13 AM
Hi guys.

Sorry that I haven't read any past posts here so I'm not sure what happened. Seems that some really sad things so I wish everything is fine now and if it's not, it will get better I hope.

Lee
11-19-2002, 03:16 AM
:wavey: Hi Vera! :wavey:

Vera
11-19-2002, 03:17 AM
Hi Lee:wavey:

Vera
11-19-2002, 03:18 AM
Did everyone else left? Oh well.

I'm fear to ask how ppl are doing these days, so should I ask?

Lee
11-19-2002, 03:25 AM
Originally posted by Vera
Did everyone else left? Oh well.

I'm fear to ask how ppl are doing these days, so should I ask?

Well, I'm the one who crack today and since I have recovered, I guess that's OK. Emma, Leo and Mrs. B are great. Hitman is sick in his tummy but he managed to make me smile. Layla, TH & Becca seem to be recovered from Sunday's loss.

TennisHack
11-19-2002, 03:26 AM
Originally posted by Vera
Hi guys.

Sorry that I haven't read any past posts here so I'm not sure what happened. Seems that some really sad things so I wish everything is fine now and if it's not, it will get better I hope.

It's probably best that do you don't read them, it was basically us commiserating over Juanqui's loss, and if you're still feeling down about it, it will only make you feel worse :(

I think everyone's doing okay, relatively :) At least about the match. hitman & I are sick, and everyone's sort of busy and, well, we had some bad news from Lee today :( But for the most part, we're holding it together.

Vera
11-19-2002, 03:28 AM
Originally posted by leecal


Well, I'm the one who crack today and since I have recovered, I guess that's OK. Emma, Leo and Mrs. B are great. Hitman is sick in his tummy but he managed to make me smile. Layla, TH & Becca seem to be recovered from Sunday's loss.

Well, that's good. But I'm not recovered. I'm still devastated (and one can probably tell when they see my msg on the GM). But anyway, I will try not to bring any of you down. :(

TennisHack
11-19-2002, 03:29 AM
Originally posted by Vera
Well, that's good. But I'm not recovered. I'm still devastated (and one can probably tell when they see my msg on the GM). But anyway, I will try not to bring any of you down. :(

Please, feel free to vent. That's what we're here for :) About whatever--we can still talk about the match, it's not like a "bad" topic or anything :)

Vera
11-19-2002, 03:31 AM
Originally posted by TennisHack


It's probably best that do you don't read them, it was basically us commiserating over Juanqui's loss, and if you're still feeling down about it, it will only make you feel worse :(

I think everyone's doing okay, relatively :) At least about the match. hitman & I are sick, and everyone's sort of busy and, well, we had some bad news from Lee today :( But for the most part, we're holding it together.

Thx Hackie, for warning me. I won't be reading maybe until when I'm over it. I've avoiding any of his pics and post match stuffs so far. I can't stop my tears, even it's been more than 24 hours. :sad: It's too emotional for me. And I know I'll get upset at ppl for saying bad things about him...well, a passionate fan I am.

Vera
11-19-2002, 03:34 AM
Originally posted by TennisHack


Have you also heard of drinking flat Coca-Cola to settle a stomach? It really does help, if you can get past the nastiness of flat Coke.

BTW, I heard cream soda can settle upset stomach.

Lee
11-19-2002, 03:37 AM
Originally posted by Vera


BTW, I heard cream soda can settle upset stomach.

Sometimes ginger ale worked for me.

TennisHack
11-19-2002, 03:37 AM
Originally posted by Vera

Thx Hackie, for warning me. I won't be reading maybe until when I'm over it. I've avoiding any of his pics and post match stuffs so far. I can't stop my tears, even it's been more than 24 hours. :sad: It's too emotional for me. And I know I'll get upset at ppl for saying bad things about him...well, a passionate fan I am.

..::many hugs::.. I made the comment on the night (morning) of the match to Mrs. B that sometimes it really, really sucks to be such a ardent fan. hitman, Layla, Becca and I were here to the bitter end (6 am for me) and I think the only reason we got through it was because we were all here.

But we're also here for you. I did put up pics of his from the match, but no articles--that was just too hard. And someone posted his interview somewhere in the depths of this thread. Kinda like after the Agassi match in Madrid--I just had to avoid all news media for a few days, until it died down.

But it sounds like you need to let it out. I saw your post in GM and please don't hesitate to post your feelings. I think the fact that most of us have somewhat recovered will be helpful :)

TennisHack
11-19-2002, 03:41 AM
Originally posted by leecal

Originally posted by Vera
BTW, I heard cream soda can settle upset stomach.
Sometimes ginger ale worked for me.


See, hitman, we've got you covered :) Now you have your choice of beverages. I'd also suggest that in addition to your crackers (bland=good) you stay hydrated, either with water or juice (keep your Vitamin C up ;)).

:o:o LOL, now I sound like your mother. Sorry! :o:o

Vera
11-19-2002, 03:46 AM
Originally posted by TennisHack


..::many hugs::.. I made the comment on the night (morning) of the match to Mrs. B that sometimes it really, really sucks to be such a ardent fan. hitman, Layla, Becca and I were here to the bitter end (6 am for me) and I think the only reason we got through it was because we were all here.

But we're also here for you. I did put up pics of his from the match, but no articles--that was just too hard. And someone posted his interview somewhere in the depths of this thread. Kinda like after the Agassi match in Madrid--I just had to avoid all news media for a few days, until it died down.

But it sounds like you need to let it out. I saw your post in GM and please don't hesitate to post your feelings. I think the fact that most of us have somewhat recovered will be helpful :)

I wish I was here with you guys on sunday. I don't have internet access over the weekend but I kept thinking about the match and couldn't sleep anyway. Then when I watched the last 2 hours of the match on TSN, I was devastated and the worse part is that me and my family went to pleasure out-of-town trip and I was supposed to be excited during the stay. I ended up really depressed and have to hide it from them. I was down and lost my appetite so they thought I was sick. I know I need to talk to you guys to release some of my grief, or else, I don't know how long it will take for me to get over it. :sad:

Vera
11-19-2002, 03:47 AM
And I make you guys sounded like a therapy group.:p

TennisHack
11-19-2002, 03:50 AM
Originally posted by Vera
And I make you guys sounded like a therapy group.:p

Well, that's what we are, essentially ;)

If you ever just need to talk to someone, feel free to PM me :)

There, now it's official: I'm everybody's mother :o

Lee
11-19-2002, 03:51 AM
Originally posted by Vera
And I make you guys sounded like a therapy group.:p

Vera, we are a therapy group here.

Lee
11-19-2002, 03:53 AM
Originally posted by TennisHack


There, now it's official: I'm everybody's mother :o

I'm a real mother here, TH. You want to usurp me? :D just j/k

Lee
11-19-2002, 03:55 AM
Originally posted by Vera


I wish I was here with you guys on sunday. I don't have internet access over the weekend but I kept thinking about the match and couldn't sleep anyway. Then when I watched the last 2 hours of the match on TSN, I was devastated and the worse part is that me and my family went to pleasure out-of-town trip and I was supposed to be excited during the stay. I ended up really depressed and have to hide it from them. I was down and lost my appetite so they thought I was sick. I know I need to talk to you guys to release some of my grief, or else, I don't know how long it will take for me to get over it. :sad:

I was very upset this morning and let it boiled inside me a while before I vented it out here and afterward, I felt much better. So, just talked.

TennisHack
11-19-2002, 03:56 AM
LOL at Lee. Nope, you can have the mothering role if you want.

Well, I'm going to ply myself with medication and go to bed. I hope you feel better, Vera (and don't forget what I said ;)).

Have a good night, all! :wavey:

Vera
11-19-2002, 03:57 AM
Thanks, you guys. Hugs.

I'm still trying to hold back my tears. I was trying very hard to distract myself over the weekend, but when I can't think of anything else, his post-match image, sitting on the bench, with that blank look, makes my eyes swell every time.

I'm a sport fanatic so it's natural that I get upset at sports stuffs, this one tops my all time list, side-by-side to my Canucks' lost in Game 7 in Stanley Cup final 8 years ago, a lost that I still get upset thinking about it after all these years. :o

Lee
11-19-2002, 03:57 AM
:wavey: Goodnight TH :wavey:

Vera
11-19-2002, 03:58 AM
Thanks Hackie, good nite.:wavey:

Lee
11-19-2002, 04:01 AM
Well, Canucks got a few wins lately while the Flames kept losing 2-1, 1-0 these days.

Vera
11-19-2002, 04:09 AM
True, they became much better now. Still not a Stanley Cup team yet. 8 years ago, it was a heroic effort as well. They were last in the division Top 8 and just barely made the playoff. So it ended up that they got to the final was already an incredible achievement. In the Final, they were down 3 games to 1 to the Rangers and managed to win the next 2 to avoid elimination and took it to Game 7. In game 7, they down 2-3 and with 7 seconds to go, they were still fighting to win the faceoff in the offensive zone to and make an attempt at the net. You can imagine how disappointing that is that they lost.

So not unlike Juanqui in this TMC. After his loss to Rogi, I truly was worried that he wouldn't be able to win a match the whole tourney, that would be embarrassing. But he made me proud of going to the final. And I didn't expect him to win, honestly, just hoping that the match will be respectable. Then he came back from 2 sets down, with tremendous efforts. Only that he didn't get the win and now he didn't get any credit bcos ppl can only remember that he might have choked. That's so sad and I wish that he is more positive than us and his critics, that he is going to take some good out of it. And I was just a fan and I'm devastated, I can't imagine how he felt about it, just hope that he's strong and he can get over it sooner than me.

Vera
11-19-2002, 04:12 AM
BTW, I don't want you to repeat to tell me what happened to you, so I'm gonna go read the thread a little to find out...

It just seems so inconsiderate to vent about my feelings and ignore yours, so wait for me.

Lee
11-19-2002, 04:13 AM
Actually, when everyone cooled down and reviewed the whole match, we all agreed he played a great game and he did not choke.

Vera
11-19-2002, 04:23 AM
Originally posted by leecal
Actually, when everyone cooled down and reviewed the whole match, we all agreed he played a great game and he did not choke.

That's bcos we are fans. I'm sure PMac will bring up the choking whenever he has a chance.

Vera
11-19-2002, 04:26 AM
I read about your mom and cousins. Not sure what to say. But how irrespectful of your cousin-in-law. Such low-live shouldn't even get your respect so don't even get upset at him. Just think that your cousin is better than him, that he doesn't deserve her. And tell your mom not to get upset thinking that she didn't do enough for your cousin, she would have been more upset if she knew your mom is blaming herself for your cousin's misfortune. Since she pasted away, you have no link to that man so just try not to let him bother you in anyway.

Lee
11-19-2002, 04:50 AM
Thanks Vera! Actually, I felt nothing about him and his woman. I was upset cos my mom was upset. Also, I was mad at my cousins in Hong Kong.

My late cousin was the oldest of all (while I'm the youngest), but some of us felt protective toward her. She had no career and no friends other than relatives. Her world was so much simplier than me and my other cousins. But we failed and did not help her at the time she needed it most. She could not ask for help herself because of her upbringing as she was a very traditional woman. That is the most frustrating part.

Vera
11-19-2002, 05:02 AM
Originally posted by leecal
Thanks Vera! Actually, I felt nothing about him and his woman. I was upset cos my mom was upset. Also, I was mad at my cousins in Hong Kong.

My late cousin was the oldest of all (while I'm the youngest), but some of us felt protective toward her. She had no career and no friends other than relatives. Her world was so much simplier than me and my other cousins. But we failed and did not help her at the time she needed it most. She could not ask for help herself because of her upbringing as she was a very traditional woman. That is the most frustrating part.

No career and no friends doesn't mean that she's unhappy unless she told you that she was. I mean, we have perception over ppl based on the norm but not necessarily true in every case. And simplier life is not a necessarily bad either. I remember when I was in college, my roommate was a teenie with no ambitious and she only wants a boy friend and get marry and be happily ever after. I couldn't understand until later, when I think about it, it doesn't matter what ppl want in their life, you can be sure that they want it for happiness. And if they get what they want and be happy, that's all that matters. And maybe she didn't ask for your help bcos she didn't need any. It's possible that she can be happy with whatever she had.

Okay, I hope I'm helping and you are offended with my views of things.

I have a very close friend from high school and she got marry and was really happy. And she wrote me, (we lived in different place) and said she thinks I'll be happier if I got marry. I was offended even though she meant good. I've never told her that I was not happy and I certainly wasn't. She assumed that I'm sad bcos I'm not marry. And that's a ridiculous assumption.

Lee
11-19-2002, 05:12 AM
I actually think she was the luckiest and happiest woman in the world before the phone call I had this morning. Before I knew about the affair, my in-law actually was an excellent husband. He lived with his mother-in-law all the time he married to my cousin and trust me, my aunt was not someone really easy to live with. He was the last person I ever believed to have an affair. All her life, my cousin was told what to do by her mom and her husband. After my aunt passed away earlier this year, my cousin was total lost and somehow we failed to see how lost she was.

Lee
11-19-2002, 05:16 AM
Originally posted by Vera



Okay, I hope I'm helping and you are offended with my views of things.



I appreciate your help and I'm not offended. It's just I can't quite express exactly what happened.

Lee
11-19-2002, 05:21 AM
I have to say goodnight Vera. I am really exhausted. :wavey:

Vera
11-19-2002, 05:24 AM
Originally posted by leecal
I actually think she was the luckiest and happiest woman in the world before the phone call I had this morning. Before I knew about the affair, my in-law actually was an excellent husband. He lived with his mother-in-law all the time he married to my cousin and trust me, my aunt was not someone really easy to live with. He was the last person I ever believed to have an affair. All her life, my cousin was told what to do by her mom and her husband. After my aunt passed away earlier this year, my cousin was total lost and somehow we failed to see how lost she was.

And maybe he is considerate enough to conceal this affair from her before she past away. Try to think that she had a good life and she was a good person so she just gone to a better place. And remembered that blaming yourself for misfortune of things is not worth it. And try to convince your mom that.

My uncle died of cancer when I was young. He was a perfect family man and he didn't smoke or drink and had no bad habit and he's successful businessman. But yet, he died of liver cancer and he died young. And we thought that's bcos he was under stress bcos of tension within the family (that his dad fought with his wife a lot and they lived together, he ended up got caught in the middle). So stress comes in any form. Speaking of that, I should come out of my ferrero-depression soon before I got too stress. I haven't been able to sleep well for the past couple of weeks and getting myself to fall asleep is almost impossible in the past couple of days. :o :o

Vera
11-19-2002, 05:25 AM
Well, good night, Lee. Try not to think too much. Sorry that I couldn't be much of a help. Just take it easy.

Layla
11-19-2002, 09:47 AM
Morning everyone! :wavey: http://websmileys.bei.t-online.de/tiere17.gif

Lee, I'm glad you're feeling better. :) I guess having to take care of your son can be very helpful in these situations. Still, here are some more hugs from me.

Hitman, it sounds like you have gone through a terrible ordeal. :sad: *hugs, hugs and more hugs* I really admire your strenght and your heart. :)

And Vera, I understand that you're still devastated, but please feel free to vent anytime, like everyone said. We don't mind being reminded of the match and have no problems talking about it. I was devastated like you, but I was lucky that I wasn't around anyone and didn't have to hide my tears and my sadness. In fact, I was so devastated that the provocative negative comments on him on GM made me cry again, which is really pathetic. First I was furious and then the tears started rolling again. It's not that I care much about other people's opinions of him, but it really was the case of poking in a very fresh and very painful wound and it was the act itself rather than the words that really got me. I guess I still had some tears left that needed to be cried. However, I feel much better now and I'm sure you will too, just give it time. All I remember now is how far he has made it. I honestly don't think the reporters will remember or concentrate on his so-called "choking", they will remember that he was involved in a tight 5-setter with the number one player in the world at the Masters' Cup. How could that not be a something to be proud of?

Oh what the heck! I think we need a group hug more than ever. ;) So here it goes, brace yourselves: GROUP HUG! http://www.jordysworld.de/emoticons/liebe54.gif

Moving on... I don't feel especially talkative today. I have a mountain of work to do and in the afternoon my best friend's sister is coming over for an English lesson. I like her a lot but she's a very chatty woman. Last week she stayed over 3 hours and I really can't afford to give her that much time at every lesson. She's one of those people you are saying goodbye to for hours. I mean I can tell her that I have a lot of work to do and she does too so she starts to say goodbye, but it takes over an hour. :( So it just means I'll have to work my ass off until she gets here.

Oh and before I go, what I remember most from last night's conversation is Eddie's voice. :) His is without a doubt my favorite voice on the planet, male or female. It's so deep and resonant that it opens the up the floodgates of my heart just by hearing it. *drifting away* I'll go put on some Pearl Jam now. :)

See you guys later, if I survive the gruelling prospect of this particular Tuesday. :wavey:

Oh and have a beautiful day! :cool:

Puss-in-Boots
11-19-2002, 10:44 AM
TH: Aww, poor DP That kinda sucks that they measure your internet usage but I guess they want to keep costs down. Oh, well.

And hey! A PhD in ANYTHING (well, except perhaps unicorn studies) is nothing to sneeze at! And I didn't mean a medical doctor when I said I'd be smart by association

The game is going to be a lot of fun, especially if we have more players!

Thanks, TH, I'm looking forward to it! :) After I post this I'll be reading up on the rules, I guess I have the whole off-season to learn how it's played, LOL. :)

Yes, the university I'm at is becoming notorious for cost cutting (and overadministration). :o :rolleyes: I hope they don't see this, given that everyone's usage is being monitored. :p :p


*hug* for everyone who needs one today. I'm sorry to hear about your cousin, Lee. :(

TennisHack
11-19-2002, 01:04 PM
:wavey: Hallo, thread!

I hope everyone's feeling better today--sometimes all that can help is time :)

I, too, have quite a bit of work to do (it just never eases up before a break, does it? :rolleyes: ), but I'm feeling better this morning. I hope you are, too, wherever you are, hitman. A :kiss: for you :)

Originally posted by Dr. Peedy
Thanks, TH, I'm looking forward to it! :) After I post this I'll be reading up on the rules, I guess I have the whole off-season to learn how it's played, LOL. :)

Yes, the university I'm at is becoming notorious for cost cutting (and overadministration). :o :rolleyes: I hope they don't see this, given that everyone's usage is being monitored. :p :p

Well, I hope you enjoy our little game :) It's not *too* involved, but it's fun. You could probably read the whole forum in one sitting, just to get a feel for how we do it and what hitman's proposed changes are.

:rolleyes: at your university. Unfortunately, that's becoming the norm :( I just lucked out :(

Chloe le Bopper
11-19-2002, 03:06 PM
:wavey:

I hope you feel better soon Vera.

I just had to stop thinking about it, to get rid of that horrendous feeling in the pit of my stomache :( But it *almost* went away eventually.

I dunno why, but this one hurt more than RG for some reason...?

And if my choking comments upset you, I'm sorry. But immediately after the match, that was how I felt.

Chloe le Bopper
11-19-2002, 03:08 PM
Peedy - my university is also great at "cost cutting". They do this by ripping the students off, and imposing lame fees for things we didn't do.

I'm on loans, and since my loans came in late, and they INSIST that I write a post dated cheque for registration or I don't get signed up - it bounced, and I pay them 60 bucks.

For the third semester in a row.

ILR
11-19-2002, 03:24 PM
Hello! :wavey:

cant stay for long,parents evening :rolleyes: Hey you're back Vera :) and glad you feel a little better Lee :)

erm,Zac was the younger brother :o:o:o

Hitman!thanks for the good luck ;) lol @ Man U being boring,thats what we are labelled as.But I dont like them.:mad: who are your team?

RogiFan
11-19-2002, 03:37 PM
:) HI ILR!!

How's things today? Not yukky rain on top of yukky snow like it is here?

Hi Lee

I'm so sorry to hear about your cousin. I just read your posts and I feel for you and your family, esp. your mother. Why does life throw these trials at us? I find as you get older it doesn't get easier, that's for sure! We have to find some inner strength to help us get through these difficult times... that's where family and friends come in. And as everyone has said on this board, we are part of your family/friends too. It will take some time... most of us have experienced it -- but time is a great healer. Cancer has claimed a few of my family members also.

TennisHack
11-19-2002, 04:07 PM
Originally posted by Rebecca
I dunno why, but this one hurt more than RG for some reason...?

Maybe because he fought back and was up 3-1 in the last set? :(

To me, Roland Garros hurt more. It was his match to lose, and boy did he :( But enough of that sad stuff . . .

Chloe le Bopper
11-19-2002, 04:09 PM
:wavey:
Who is around atm? :o

I have to go make burgers but will be back in ten, if anyone is around

TennisHack
11-19-2002, 04:15 PM
:wavey: Hi, Becca, I'm here :) I can stay for a bit but then I have class this afternoon.

Chloe le Bopper
11-19-2002, 04:24 PM
:wavey:

Are you still somewhere? :p

I still haven't made burgers :o

TennisHack
11-19-2002, 04:25 PM
LOL, yeah, I'm still here. Very, very tired, though, which is not good considering all of the stuff I have to do this afternoon. :(

And the weather is just horrible today, cold and windy and rainy (again). It's one of those days where you just want to stay inside, stay in bed.

ARGH!

Chloe le Bopper
11-19-2002, 04:38 PM
It's so grey and ugly outside here :(

I want the sun :sad:

The george forum grill was so dirty - someone didnt clean it off and it has caked lard on it :rolleyes:

I I settled for KD because I refuse to clean someones mess off

I turn the burner on and it starts smoking cause someone spilled stuff and didnt clean it off :rolleyes:

Digusting :(

Mrs. B
11-19-2002, 04:42 PM
Hi !:wavey:

If this is the place to vent, it's my turn today!

I got a call from our Platzchef (the guy who's in charge of the maintenance of the tennis club), and when i got there, sure enough, some assholes broke into the clubhouse! The front door which is made of glass was broken, there were glass slivers all over the floor, then they opened the room where i stash my stuff for the restaurant. Not much was taken, my wine and my beers were still there, i was suprised they didn't steal my coffee machine which is worth about $800, there's microwave oven there, a hotdog machine, and canned goods. They took some food stuff, left some bouillon powder on the floor, but i didn't have so much left there anyway cuz i cleaned everything out, defrozed the refs and freezers...but it's just a bummer to see something like that and especially now that the season's ended, so i locked the front door. Fuckers, eh? So we had to call the police, but there's not much they can do. Fortunately they were able to fix the door where i keep my stuff so at least i could lock that one up again. But the front door has to be fixed, i left before the carpenter came cuz it was cold, but it's really a hassle, man. :fiery: :fiery:

If i catch those bastards i'll shoot them and cook them. :fiery:

TennisHack
11-19-2002, 04:46 PM
Mrs. B, that sucks! :fiery: What a horrible thing!

I guess it's good that they didn't steal much of anything, especially nothing valuable.

But stil :fiery::fiery::fiery: Asses!!

I've got to go now, or else I'd stay and plot new ways to torture them :D

See you guys later :wavey:

Chloe le Bopper
11-19-2002, 04:55 PM
:wavey: TH


If i catch those bastards i'll shoot them and cook them.

GRAR! I feel you Mrs. B! I know people who used to do stupid crap as such, and they were too self centered to even think about what problems it caused for other people.

*aims gun*

Chloe le Bopper
11-19-2002, 04:56 PM
How about we tar and feather them?

Mrs. B
11-19-2002, 04:57 PM
I'd like to chop their limbs up and put them in a boiling cauldron!!!

RogiFan
11-19-2002, 05:35 PM
:( God, Mrs. B.!

What is wrong w people!???!!! That's all you need before you go away! Sometimes life is CRAP...

Take a look at those 2 pix of Rogi on his forum to cheer yourself up! ;)

Lee
11-19-2002, 05:42 PM
HUG HUG HUG for Mrs. B!

Unfortunately, many ppl including the criminal system consider B&E is a minor crime but it has a big impact on its victim.

Mrs. B, hopefully by the time you come back from your vacation and the club open again, you have gotten over it. I understand it very difficult now but as like everything else, time will heal. I was a B&E victim too and I consider you and I were lucky in a way that those despicable ppl didn't do more damage just for the fun.

Mrs. B
11-19-2002, 05:45 PM
and you thought Switzerland was a safe place... :(

these are youngsters who have nothing to do, or maybe junkies looking for money, or alcohol...but they avoid stealing things cuz it's easy to trace them up...if this happened in my country the whole place would be empty!

the insurance will pay for that, still, it's a pain in the neck.

Mrs. B
11-19-2002, 05:45 PM
yeah, i saw those pics already...but thanks for putting it again.
and thanks Hackie!

Lee
11-19-2002, 05:49 PM
:wavey: Hi RF and thanks! :wavey:

Vera
11-19-2002, 05:50 PM
Originally posted by Layla
Morning everyone! :wavey: http://websmileys.bei.t-online.de/tiere17.gif
And Vera, I understand that you're still devastated, but please feel free to vent anytime, like everyone said. We don't mind being reminded of the match and have no problems talking about it. I was devastated like you, but I was lucky that I wasn't around anyone and didn't have to hide my tears and my sadness. In fact, I was so devastated that the provocative negative comments on him on GM made me cry again, which is really pathetic. First I was furious and then the tears started rolling again. It's not that I care much about other people's opinions of him, but it really was the case of poking in a very fresh and very painful wound and it was the act itself rather than the words that really got me. I guess I still had some tears left that needed to be cried. However, I feel much better now and I'm sure you will too, just give it time. All I remember now is how far he has made it. I honestly don't think the reporters will remember or concentrate on his so-called "choking", they will remember that he was involved in a tight 5-setter with the number one player in the world at the Masters' Cup. How could that not be a something to be proud of?


Thanks Layla. I'm pretty much the same, the still crying part. I believe there's the amount of tears in my body that I have to totally use it up before I can stop the tear. I cried when I wrote my post to TC. I wasn't mad (well, a little). But mostly sad. I don't get mad at my players for losing, I felt very sad for them, like I'm their big/little sister or something and I can only feel for them. So I was thinking if he found that ppl are accusing him of choking and being unsportsmanlike in his speech, then that will probably upset him. And he fought so hard and if he still got questions about his heart and guts, that would be hurtful for him. But like I said before, I hope he handles better than me cos I just can't see thru the negative, as yet. And he must move right on and forget about TMC.

I read his interview in his official site to find out how he felt. And he said this one hurts more than RG, which is understandable bcos he's so close and have a real chance. But he also said that he realised the difference between him and Hewitt at the end is his opponent is more tough mentally. I'm pleased for read that, because he found the one thing that Hewitt use to beat him so he can learn from it. And also, it's important that he didn't mention anything about his game, so to me, it's like he knew his game is capable to beat Hewitt. And he lost the mental part to the player who's know for mental toughness. So now, he should know which part needs to be improved. Anyway, the interview made me felt more positive about the whole TMC thing.

So I hope I will soon be over this one. Besides, it's about the damn time that I move away from tennis/tourney and focus on other things. :)

Lee
11-19-2002, 05:52 PM
:wavey: Hi Mrs.B, Vera and Becca if she's still here! :wavey:

Mrs. B
11-19-2002, 05:54 PM
Thanks, Lee. :)

I'll have the stock room door changed before the next season begins, and the men were talking about installing an automatic light system in front of the clubhouse. We have one but it's on the side, by the entrance, and it's a small one...or maybe have an alarm system...we'll see...

Lee
11-19-2002, 06:01 PM
Better lightning is a good idea if the club house is not at a very deserted place. Alarm system works pretty good but you must have the sign very easy to see. According to those experts installed the alram system in my previous house, you must put the sign at a very obvious place so when those despicable ppl see the sign, will abandon the idea before they start their action bcos if they were already determined to B&E, an alarm system won't stop them, its just that they have to work very fast once they are in.

Vera
11-19-2002, 06:03 PM
Originally posted by Rebecca
:wavey:

I hope you feel better soon Vera.
And if my choking comments upset you, I'm sorry. But immediately after the match, that was how I felt.

Thanks Rebecca. And don't worry about the choking comment, I wouldn't hold it against you. I understand that you were just upset. We all deal with it differently, some are mad, some are sad. But we all felt bad by the lost, we just choose different ways to express our feelings.

And I wouldn't have mentioned that in the "To ferrero fans" thread if not that I want to counter TC's accusation of us having double standard, and to defend other Ferrero's fans cause we are a group.

I must admit that choking did come thru my mind. What's choking officically anyway, if it means that you have a lead and you still didn't win, then he did choke. But he didn't give it away, Hewitt just beat him, raised his game at the most appropriate time. So it depends on how we define choking. But even then, I just refuse to believe. If he didn't win the 2 sets and lost the whole thing in straight sets, I wonder if ppl will say he choked. So the fact that he put himself in the position to win the match and turns out that it had came back to haunt him? That's really unfair.

Well, I don't mean and hope that it didnt' sound like I'm angry at you or anything. Really, I'm not. *Hugs* :)

Mrs. B
11-19-2002, 06:07 PM
Hi, Vera!

Hope you're feeling better. I was also very upset about Roger's loss against Hewitt but i'm over it now...
They move on, we move on...and hope the next season brings better results for our faves.
As the new title suggests...Bring on 2003 :)

Vera
11-19-2002, 06:08 PM
Hi Lee and Mrs. B:wavey:

Sorry to hear that incident, Mrs. B.:(

Lee
11-19-2002, 06:09 PM
Vera, hope you feel better by the end of the day!

:wavey: Bye everyone! Can't stay long cos my hubby's not feeling well and is staying home today. :wavey:

Vera
11-19-2002, 06:09 PM
Originally posted by Mrs. B
Hi, Vera!

Hope you're feeling better. I was also very upset about Roger's loss against Hewitt but i'm over it now...
They move on, we move on...and hope the next season brings better results for our faves.
As the new title suggests...Bring on 2003 :)

Thanks. Mrs. B.
And y're right. Bring on 2003 is absolutely perfect.

Vera
11-19-2002, 06:10 PM
Originally posted by leecal
Vera, hope you feel better by the end of the day!

:wavey: Bye everyone! Can't stay long cos my hubby's not feeling well and is staying home today. :wavey:

Thanks Lee.

Hope your hubby feels better too. Bye.:wavey:

Lee
11-19-2002, 06:12 PM
I just saw in GM that someone's starting trouble again. I just hate some of my fellow Guga fans are................

Chloe le Bopper
11-19-2002, 06:18 PM
I must admit that choking did come thru my mind. What's choking officically anyway, if it means that you have a lead and you still didn't win, then he did choke. But he didn't give it away

This was all I meant - was that I thought he could have won since he was up, and he lost it.

I don't think he just gave up.

ON the contrary.

*proud* of him :)

Chloe le Bopper
11-19-2002, 06:20 PM
Originally posted by leecal
I just saw in GM that someone's starting trouble again. I just hate some of my fellow Guga fans are................

I think I must have missed this - perhaps for the best?

Vera
11-19-2002, 06:21 PM
Originally posted by leecal
I just saw in GM that someone's starting trouble again. I just hate some of my fellow Guga fans are................

That particular "Guga fan" is a trouble mill. I'll stay away from her. True fan of Rogi would not bring up a question like that, or if she's really curious, should keep it within the Rogi forum. Unless the whole purpose is to stir things up and created another opportunity for heated argument.

Anyway, we know Rogi is an angel and it's impossible that he would have bad things to say about anyone. And I'm sick of ppl thinking that all players have something against Hewitt. I got a feeling that in reality, Hewitt is a real sportsman and other players respect him tremendously. I mean, Hewitt is Pat's good friend and Pat has extraordinary sportsmanship. I don't think they will get along if Hewitt is a total opposite of Pat. So by association, Hewitt is also a good sports, IMO.:)

Vera
11-19-2002, 06:25 PM
Hi Becca.:wavey: Glad that we clear up the air.

I think since the season's over, ppl will start making things up to talk about during the off-season. So let's hope that it wouldn't turn nasty in the next 6 weeks and the board will survive then. :D

ILR
11-19-2002, 06:25 PM
Hi guys :wavey:

will read back ;)

Vera
11-19-2002, 06:26 PM
Hi Emma. :wavey:

ILR
11-19-2002, 06:30 PM
RF,no it didnt rain today.It was sunny but very cold.I just hate youngsters like that who go round vandalising things.:rolleyes: Theres no need.

:(:( sad new for me.Im going to have to cut down on here.Parents evening made me realise how important these next couple of months are.I will always pop in be maybe not so much.

Chloe le Bopper
11-19-2002, 06:31 PM
So I read we're all happy with "Bring on 2003"?

Occcasionly I will add something to the end of it - An Xmas countdown is forthcoming ;)

But I think we should leave that untill the new season starts :)

Chloe le Bopper
11-19-2002, 06:32 PM
I always read back and post, and see like 10 more posts I have to read :D

Sheesh ;)

Vera
11-19-2002, 06:33 PM
Originally posted by IluvRogi

:(:( sad new for me.Im going to have to cut down on here.Parents evening made me realise how important these next couple of months are.I will always pop in be maybe not so much.

Sorry to hear that Emma. We'll miss you when you are not around. But studying is more important, so do what you have to do.

ILR
11-19-2002, 06:36 PM
lol I know Becca ;) Well nice to know I'll be missed :) glad you understand.It shall be hard,I leave school next year.I'll only be 15 aswell

Chloe le Bopper
11-19-2002, 06:40 PM
Why do you leave school next year? *confused* *missed something*

And popping in occasionally, as long as we know your going alright and stuff - is better than nothing :)

ILR
11-19-2002, 06:42 PM
because I have to Becca ;) Im in my last year and most people will be 16 but I'll still be 15.Then most likely,Ill go to college.

ILR
11-19-2002, 06:43 PM
thanks Becca :)

Layla
11-19-2002, 06:54 PM
Hi everyone! :wavey:

What did I tell you. ;) She stayed 4 HOURS!!! :eek: :eek: :( :(

Mrs. B, I'm really sorry to hear about your club. *hugs* I hope they catch the bastards! :fiery: :fiery: :fiery: Youngsters who enjoy vandalising just for the sake of being nasty are the worst. I wonder how they would feel if someone destroyed something they love for no apparent reason other than sadistic pleasure. Breaking and entering is a terrible crime imo, it's such a violation. But luckily, they didn't make too much damage or take anything too valuable either in terms of money or emotional attachment.

Vera, I think his post-match interview was great. He showed a lot of maturity and awareness of what lessons he needs to learn. I was impressed. But where did he say this defeat hurt more than the RG final? :confused: I just reread the whole interview and couldn't find it. Could you find me the quote? I'd be very much surprised if he felt this way. Oh and don't worry about what he had to endure. I'm sure it was considerably less than his fans had to. I guarantee you that noone apart from TC and her friend thought he was disrespectful or showed less than perfect sportsmanship. That's all a load of crap.

Emma, we'll miss you terribly. :sad: But I know schoolwork is important. Just be sure to drop by from time to time. We'll always be overjoyed to see you. :)

TH, I'm glad you're feeling better today. :) Work ey? You and me both. :( In fact, I probably shouldn't even be here. ;)

Becca, I love the title as well. :D

RogiFan
11-19-2002, 06:56 PM
:) Hi ILR!

I shall miss you! Hope you can post once in a while at least!! :(

Vera!

I agree w you re: Hewitt. If Pat is a mate of Lleyton, Lleyton can't be that bad!!

Yeah, I'm sick of negative putdown comments from all those punters out there... not worth reading. Also wish PMac [sorry to bring him up again] would focus on the POSITIVE rather than dwell on the NEGATIVE [we don't need to hear that Rogi "tanked" as he put it at Wimby02 or that Alex never plays Wimby or that Juanqui is only a claycourter]. Let's move on, guy! He did seem rather subdued in his commentary during the Rogi/Johansson match...

Work beckons again... YUK!

Layla
11-19-2002, 07:00 PM
Regarding choking, I just want to say that it's not unusual for a match to turn around (maybe even several times). Tennis is funny that way, perhaps also because of its strange scoring system. You can be even 5-2 or 5-1 up and still proceed to lose the set and players are well aware of that. In fact it happens quite frequently.

ILR
11-19-2002, 07:04 PM
Hi Layla :wavey:

well whenever Im working on the computer,I'll always pop in.I wont br gone too much.Thanks though :)

Layla
11-19-2002, 07:06 PM
Does that mean you won't be writing horrorscopes for me anymore? :sad: ;)

ILR
11-19-2002, 07:07 PM
Hi RF :wavey: I will post,just not as much ;)

ILR
11-19-2002, 07:08 PM
lol well of course I can,if you need one right now ;)

Layla
11-19-2002, 07:09 PM
Oh sure, I'm trying to write them as we speak. Business horrorscopes this time. :)

Vera
11-19-2002, 07:11 PM
Originally posted by Layla
Hi everyone! :wavey:
Vera, I think his post-match interview was great. He showed a lot of maturity and awareness of what lessons he needs to learn. I was impressed. But where did he say this defeat hurt more than the RG final? :confused: I just reread the whole interview and couldn't find it. Could you find me the quote? I'd be very much surprised if he felt this way. Oh and don't worry about what he had to endure. I'm sure it was considerably less than his fans had to. I guarantee you that noone apart from TC and her friend thought he was disrespectful or showed less than perfect sportsmanship. That's all a load of crap.


Thanks. Then I won't. He can probably put thing into perspective better than his fan (me). And he's showing positive in the interview so I'm feeling much better now.

I read that in his interview in the official site. I use the translation service, but I don't trust it as much now cos it's not totally reliable, as I've found. So the spanish speaking one of you can check it out and let us knows. Thx.

ILR
11-19-2002, 07:12 PM
business huh?How ironic thats what Im supposed to be working on right now ;)

RogiFan
11-19-2002, 07:12 PM
:) Good ILR! I love reading your posts, no matter the topic. Your poetry yesterday was inspired!! and inspiring!!

End of the season... seems so sad, like today's grey day... well, I have my taped matches to watch. Plus a few tennis articles to catch up on... just read some BBC tributes to Arantxa -- brought tears to my eyes! She will be sadly missed... :sad:

Layla
11-19-2002, 07:13 PM
Vera, do you mean Juanqui's official site?

Vera
11-19-2002, 07:14 PM
Originally posted by Layla
Vera, do you mean Juanqui's official site?

Yes. Sorry that I didn't make it clear.

ILR
11-19-2002, 07:15 PM
lol thats sweet RF ;) I have a lot of poetry to revise.:rolleyes: I love writing it and reading it but not studying it and writing 2 hour essays on them :p

Chloe le Bopper
11-19-2002, 07:16 PM
You're going to college at 15? Your graduating like three years early? :o

ILR
11-19-2002, 07:19 PM
not getting the respect you deserve?Or is the rest of the workforce letting you down?Its not entirely your fault,but its not yourself you have to convince,its some of the people around you.Especially the boss.They wouldnt like it if you slacked or didnt do as much as you possibly could,so dont let certain individuals bring down the work rate.As long as you continue doing your job and everyone else knows that,you have nothing to worry about.Just make sure you are not getting all the blam if the company is underperforming.Afterall,you cant do everyone elses job. ;)

ILR
11-19-2002, 07:20 PM
no Becca,in England people usually leave school at 16 but because my birthday is in August,I will leave at 15.But when I get to college I will be 16,then I will probably stay there for 2 years and leave at 18.I take it its very different in Canada ;)

Chloe le Bopper
11-19-2002, 07:21 PM
Layla- don't worry about what other people think about his sportsmanship :kiss: Like I said in the thread - if you alread don't like someone, it is easy to go ahead and find something else that you find wront with them.

RogiFan
11-19-2002, 07:21 PM
:) Vera I'll take a look at that article and give you the English soon!

Chloe le Bopper
11-19-2002, 07:24 PM
Originally posted by IluvRogi
no Becca,in England people usually leave school at 16 but because my birthday is in August,I will leave at 15.But when I get to college I will be 16,then I will probably stay there for 2 years and leave at 18.I take it its very different in Canada ;)

I'm sorry, I forgot all about different systems and such.

My bad ;)

Chloe le Bopper
11-19-2002, 07:25 PM
what is the link to his official site again?

ILR
11-19-2002, 07:26 PM
its OK ;) lol Im not clever enough to graduate 3 years early ;):p

ILR
11-19-2002, 07:26 PM
www.juanqui.org

Layla
11-19-2002, 07:29 PM
Originally posted by Rebecca
Layla- don't worry about what other people think about his sportsmanship :kiss: Like I said in the thread - if you alread don't like someone, it is easy to go ahead and find something else that you find wront with them.

lol don't I know it. :rolleyes: That's why I started the freaking arguement in the first place. :p It's just that sour grapes is a particularly touchy subject after all that crap on gotennis with Unregistered after his interview in Rome.

Layla
11-19-2002, 07:30 PM
Fabulous horrorscope Emma! Thanks! :kiss:

Layla
11-19-2002, 07:31 PM
No, not that official site Emma. The one on Terra something. This is the link to the article.

http://www.terra.es/estrellas/ferrero/articulo/html/pat1237.htm

ILR
11-19-2002, 07:32 PM
oooopsie :o who's bad now ;) no probs Layla ;)

Chloe le Bopper
11-19-2002, 07:35 PM
So that IS his official site now, and not that other site that was?

Layla
11-19-2002, 07:36 PM
I'm not sure which one is his official site. I'm confused about that as well. They both claim to be I think. :confused:

Chloe le Bopper
11-19-2002, 07:36 PM
Oh i see the correction now ;)

Layla
11-19-2002, 07:38 PM
The site on Terra does seem to be getting pretty exclusive interviews that are always in-depth. Juanqui seems to open up to that site more readily. Plus he is asking people to e-mail him and stuff, so he seems at least a little bit involved with it.

ILR
11-19-2002, 07:40 PM
Oh I didnt know there was another one

Chloe le Bopper
11-19-2002, 07:43 PM
Layla - regarding his comments in Rome.

I remember that as well - in the ATP forum we had quite the thread going on, where people had lots of names for him (I have to say, "pillow biter" was my favourite).

At the time I said that the timing of his comments were unfortunate - t hat if he had said that after a match he won, he would have been taken more seriously.

However, people weren't able to get by the fact that he said it after a loss, thus they saw him as a sore loser, and ignored his actual point.

His actual point I agreed with.

The fact he was defending champ, and played on court 6 was disgusting, no matter what the reasoning.

Moya even had his back in regards to the overal discrimination comments, and Moya doesn't usually stick his neck out.

Mrs. B
11-19-2002, 07:45 PM
Originally posted by Vera


That particular "Guga fan" is a trouble mill. I'll stay away from her. True fan of Rogi would not bring up a question like that, or if she's really curious, should keep it within the Rogi forum. Unless the whole purpose is to stir things up and created another opportunity for heated argument.

Anyway, we know Rogi is an angel and it's impossible that he would have bad things to say about anyone. And I'm sick of ppl thinking that all players have something against Hewitt. I got a feeling that in reality, Hewitt is a real sportsman and other players respect him tremendously. I mean, Hewitt is Pat's good friend and Pat has extraordinary sportsmanship. I don't think they will get along if Hewitt is a total opposite of Pat. So by association, Hewitt is also a good sports, IMO.:)

It's just ridiculous that she'd write something like that...putting wood and making fire out of nothing. I read an interview of Roger where the press misquoted Lleyton and made it appear that LH said something negative about his game and when i read Lleyton's interview it wasn't exactly like that. he was actually nice about it...

:rolleyes:

RogiFan
11-19-2002, 07:48 PM
:) The Terra site is Juanqui's official site, not the other one, which is done by his father and sisters, I believe.

I have a rough translation of the article from Terra -- I hope this is the one everyone wanted!!! Let me know if it's something else and I can do a quickie translation for you!

This is it en espanol and in English [more or less]:

''ESTA DERROTA ME HA DOLIDO ESPECIALMENTE''
Juan Carlos Ferrero estaba muy decepcionado tras su derrota en la final del Masters de Shanghai ante Lleyton Hewitt, sobre todo porque el tenista valenciano pudo ganar el partido con la ventaja que tuvo en el último y definitivo set. El mensaje positivo que sacó fue que "de las derrotas también se aprende y para perder finales hay que jugarlas".

Escríbeme a jcarlos.ferrero@terra.es

"Ha sido una derrota que me ha dolido muchísimo, más incluso que la de Roland Garros, porque aquí he tenido la victoria mucho más cerca", señaló Ferrero. "Cuando la tenía en mis manos se me ha escapado, pero en este deporte hay días así".
"No es fácil aceptar una derrota así, pero sé que el paso del tiempo se lleva las cosas malas", añadió, "pero para perder las finales hay que estar ahí. Se dice que con la experiencia aprendes".

Ferrero comentó que ahora, una vez terminada la temporada, su objetivo está puesto en el Abierto de Australia. "He aprendido que cuando uno tiene fe en sí mismo y se hacen bien las cosas, todo sale. Si trabajo bien en diciembre me puede ir muy bien en Australia y eso es lo que tengo ahora mismo en mi punto de mira", puntualizó.

"Son momentos específicos los que han determinado el final del partido", analizó Juan Carlos. "No he aprovechado con mi saque cuando tenía 3-2, y él, sin embargo, ha jugado muy bien y al final del set no se ha venido abajo, y con mi saque no ha cometido un solo error".

Cascales: ''Hewitt estuvo perfecto''
Antonio Martínez Cascales, entrenador de Ferrero, señaló tras la final que su pupilo no había perdido el partido, sino que el australiano Lleyton Hewitt se lo había ganado con un juego impresionante al final.

"En los dos últimos juegos Hewitt ha jugado perfecto", señaló Cascales al referirse a la sangre fría demostrada por el número uno del mundo para resolver la parte final del encuentro.

"No cometió ningún fallo", añadió el entrenador del español respecto a la actuación del australiano en los últimos juegos. "Juan Carlos tiene que mejorar un poco más porque Hewitt es mejor en pista rápida", añadió.

"La estrategia era ser valiente y dominar los puntos con la derecha. Si este partido se hubiera jugado en Roland Garros, Juan Carlos habría ganado", dijo.

Europa Press
.................................................. ......

LOOSE TRANSLATION

This defeat hurt me a lot

Juanqui was very depressed after his defeat vs Hewitt because he felt he could have won that match with the ad that he had in the last and definitive set

but his positive message was that even with such defeats you can also learn from them and to lose a final you have to play one

this defeat hurt more than the RG one because here I had victory so close

when I had it in my hands it escaped me but in this sport you have days like this

it isn't easy to accept such a defeat but with the passage of time bad things are easier to take

they say that you learn with experience

now his objective is the Australian Open

I learned that when you have faith in yourself things go better

if I work in December I can do very well in Australia... that is my goal/task

they were the specific moments in the final that determined the outcome

I didn't take advantage of my serve when I had 3-2
and Lleyton played very well and in the end he didn't make a single error

Cascales says Hewitt was perfect

he said that his pupil didn’t lose the match, but that Hewitt won it with an impressive final game

in the last 2 games, Hewitt played perfectly, said Cascales, referring to his cold-bloodedness, to win the match

he didn't make any errors and JC has to improve a little more because Hewitt is better on a fast surface

the strategy is to be brave/courageous and dominate the points with the forehand

if this match had been played at RG JC would have won

That's it!

;)

Layla
11-19-2002, 07:48 PM
Becca, I couldn't agree with you more and that applies to everything you've said. I remember we discussed this here before and yes, his timing and execution were faulty but not the point. But what really got me was they way they all ganged up on him, when it was a deliberate provocation by Unregistered, who used 6 different names to post the exact same opionion, making it seem like many people agree on this. How cheap, not to mention lame. :rolleyes: I haven't forgiven him yet.

ILR
11-19-2002, 07:48 PM
things do get blown out of proportion.I really do think that everyone respects each other on tour and saying things like that is just stupid.And there are a lot of "fans" that like to cause trouble for no reason at all.:rolleyes:

Layla
11-19-2002, 07:50 PM
Originally posted by Mrs. B


It's just ridiculous that she'd write something like that...putting wood and making fire out of nothing. I read an interview of Roger where the press misquoted Lleyton and made it appear that LH said something negative about his game and when i read Lleyton's interview it wasn't exactly like that. he was actually nice about it...

:rolleyes:

What else is new. :rolleyes: In terms of both the press misquoting Lleyton and making him out the bad guy, and people stirring trouble where there is none. Goodness gracious. I just want some peace for a while, at least during the off-season.

Layla
11-19-2002, 07:52 PM
Mrs. B, could you post both quotes please? I'm really interested to see what this is about. If it's not too much trouble. ;)

Layla
11-19-2002, 07:56 PM
Thanks for the translation RogiFan. You're really sweet. :)

Ouch, poor Juanqui. :sad: To me, RG final was still much much worse, but I know what he means. The fact that I was almost convinced he would win in the 5th set made the disappointment all the greater. Still, he put it best. To lose a final you have to play a final. That's a great attitude.

ILR
11-19-2002, 07:59 PM
it is a good attitude indeed.And its all the negative people who are making him sound so negative :rolleyes:

Chloe le Bopper
11-19-2002, 08:07 PM
thanks for the translation :)

I'm glad he's looking forward, and is so honest and humble in defeat :)

RogiFan
11-19-2002, 08:08 PM
:) You're welcome, Layla!

The fact that Juanqui gave his all to try and win that match and pushing it to a 5th and then losing so closely makes his loss that much more disheartening... I can't bring myself to watch poor Rafter's Wimby02 final loss to Goran the terrible -- I listened to it on BBC radio then I taped it -- it was just so overwhelming a loss. A photo I saw of Pat sitting down holding the runner-up trophy with his head down and Goran celebrating in the background was too much to bear!! :sad:

It's these kinds of losses that can really set you back BUT true champions like Juanqui and Rafter and Alex take something positive out of their negative experiences and you have to admire them for their fortitude -- which ain't easy!!

So... hooray to them!!

The look on Juanqui's face said it all...:(

But he's going into 2003 with a fresh attitude -- good for him!!

Mrs. B
11-19-2002, 08:09 PM
QUESTION: You played a wonderful game tonight and Lleyton said you will get a Grand Slam in future because you have so many features in your technology and you are still young, but he said you should keep your condition more stable because sometimes you play good and sometimes you play bad. So how do you think about that?
ROGER FEDERER: I don't really ?? not in a bad way, but I don't really care about what he says. Same as other players say about me, what I say about other guys shouldn't really bother the other guys. I know really what I have to do and why I miss shots. I also ?? and he knows best why he misses his shots, so we have to clean up in our own boat or house or whatever. But I know what I have to work on and, for me, with my game, it just needs more time and to work hard and until my whatever, my mental, my technique, whatever, is right in place and I think one day if I think everything is in place, I will have a chance to win Grand Slams and I think it's just because he's so strong mentally and physically, he can do this much earlier.

(he sounds defensive about this, poor guy, he must have been hurtin')

and this was what Lleyton actually said after winning that match:

QUESTION: There are a lot of people saying that Roger Federer plays a bit like Pete Sampras. With an all?round game like Roger Federer, compared to the serve?volley game of Pete Sampras, from your experience playing both players, what do you think are the differences between them?
LLEYTON HEWITT: Well, you know, it's hard to compare Pete Sampras with Roger Federer right at the moment. Obviously Roger is a great player and he's only going to get better and better and, you know, I'm convinced that he's going to win a Grand Slam sooner or later. He plays very well on all surfaces. This year he's been probably a little bit up and down. Obviously he played great before the French Open and great around US Open time onwards, but he has a couple of lapses in there now and then where he has three or four bad weeks in a row and I think, you know, as I said, Pete Sampras has won 14 Grand Slams and Pete is not the worst player from the back of the court by no means, especially when he's at his peak. So, you know, at the moment, I still believe that, you know, obviously the way the Sampras played at the US Open was pretty faultless.


there: nothing meant in a bad way about how LH said that...

ILR
11-19-2002, 08:10 PM
If I gotta shoot without saying bye,I dont mean it!I gotta work :( so this is for if I go without saying anything :wavey: not yet though

Chloe le Bopper
11-19-2002, 08:13 PM
:wavey:

I responded to mrs guga's thread a while ago, I didn't know what you guys were talking about.

I don't think she is intentionally starting anything, just kind of doesn't realize perhaps how it will be taken?

ILR
11-19-2002, 08:14 PM
Theres nothing mean in that.People read things wrong and sometimes on purpose just to cause all sorts of shit.:mad: Its not even constructive critisism.Even if it came out wrong then Im sure he meant nothing by it.This is coming from someone who doesnt particularly like Lleyton,at least not last Sat anyway ;)

Chloe le Bopper
11-19-2002, 08:15 PM
I meant, that I didn't know THAT was what you guys were talking about ;)

I understand why you are annoyed.

But I really don't think she is trying to start something - she is just very bold in her opinions, is all.

RogiFan
11-19-2002, 08:16 PM
:( a picture says 1000 words

here is poor Pat:

Chloe le Bopper
11-19-2002, 08:19 PM
aww :(

I'm sorry Rogifan, that must still irk emotions from you.

I have that final on tape - I have actually mailed it to complete strangers who just came on tennisweek and said "please I lvoe Goran and missed the final, does anyone have it!"

The one guy's vcr didnt work right, and the other guy just screwed up and forgot lol.

Anyhow, twice I mailed it to strangers, and twice I got it back :o That is the first time i mailed to people ffrom the net actually.

Anyhow - it was such an emotional rollercoaster of a match. I like Pat more, but part of me wanted Goran to get just one. I have a feeling Pat delt with it much better than Goran would have.

Either way :sad:

Layla
11-19-2002, 08:23 PM
OMG, what a misquote! :eek: Damn reporters! :fiery: They make it sound like Lleyton was being condescending and telling him what to do. Poor Roger, how was he supposed to answer an idiotic question like that. I would be annoyed to if someone told me another player is trying to teach me how to play. I think these people should be sacked. Players have a right not to be exposed to horrendous questions like that. :mad:

Mrs. B
11-19-2002, 08:24 PM
Originally posted by Rebecca
:wavey:

I don't think she is intentionally starting anything, just kind of doesn't realize perhaps how it will be taken?
Even she didn't, it still sounds tacky.

"he never has anything positive to say" "Boo on Fed."

and this is from someone who has his pic on her avatar...

Vera
11-19-2002, 08:25 PM
Ouch, of that Pat's picture. That's the match that torn me. I couldn't decide who to root for and I was siding with whoever trailing and you know that's pretty often in that match. And then at the 5th, I made up my mind for Pat, and he lost. But it's okay, as I know well about Pat, he can take it and he couldn't do anything to win that. It's just fate and it's Goran's destiny.

I remembered he was asked about it. And he said, he had a little depression over the lost but he got over it quickly. He's one who put things into perspective, such wisdom.

Thanks RF for the interview. And I disappeared for awhile cause the internet connection was lost, just in case you wonder.

Layla
11-19-2002, 08:25 PM
I agree with you Mrs. B. That's a pretty inflammatory title, regardless of what her intent was.

ILR
11-19-2002, 08:26 PM
exactly Mrs.B she was kind of contradicting herself.But just ignore that thread,I know its hard though

RogiFan
11-19-2002, 08:26 PM
:) The really tough part was that you don't often get two chances and also Pat knew he wouldn't get any more opportunities at his age... just like Alex vs. Guga at RG01 -- he was angry and it came out in his trilingual speech afterwards... why do my guys suffer so much??!! :(

Chloe le Bopper
11-19-2002, 08:27 PM
True Mrs B.

I'm just trying to give her the benifit of the doubt - that is kind of her manner of expressing herself, lol.

Not suggesting that you guys do the same - but I have given her a hard time before when she didn't deserve it, so I'm trying not to do that atm.