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TennisHack
02-16-2003, 03:01 AM
Originally posted by Dr. Peedy
Great!... I can't wait :D .... I hope to get to the noun cases and advanced sentence formation lesson before I start my translation project proper, and once I'm there I'll be most interested to chat with you about them see how it compares to Russian and German. (And... I'll actually have intelligent-sounding posts! :p :o)

LOL, great :) And, you already have "intelligent-sounding" posts because you are intelligent! ;) Heehee. I might sound like an ass while discussing Russian, but Layla & Vaiva can correct me because I'd hate to be wrong :o I wish I could use my Russian outside of class more, but as of yet, alas no, especially since it uses a non-Arabic alphabet. *sigh* I'm sure I can find a way to work it into my career, though :D

Puss-in-Boots
02-16-2003, 03:07 AM
LOL... well I'm no Sindarin expert either, so I'm sure there will be times when I'll sound like an ass!

LMAO, I hate to be wrong too... once I realized I made a mistake 30 seconds after I'd submitted a translation exercise, and I actually sent the instructor a PM saying please disregard 'i dhagor' in my solution sheet, it should be 'i nagor'!!! :o

TennisHack
02-16-2003, 03:11 AM
Awww!! I'm like that, too :o Only, I've pretty much given up on trying to catch my mistakes -- you can't do it because you've spent hours trying to translate/write and when you get to the end you forget to go back and look over it. My current professor (whom I don't like very much) told me recently that she loves my translations, that I have a feel for the language, but that I suck at picking the right case endings! :rolleyes: And now we're studying word order, and some of it doesn't make intuitive sense to me, so there's yet another thing I have to memorize.

I don't think I'd make it in Russia proper :o I should just stick to translations and other written materials!

Puss-in-Boots
02-16-2003, 03:12 AM
I'm not sure how much of the book or movie you've seen, but I recall you saying the answer is 'not at all'.... Elvish actually also has it's own very nonstandard alphabet (Tengwar)... here is an example..

So far my lessons have only covered writing Elvish in standard Roman alphabet (like in my sig) but the guy writing the course promises to write a 'Writing in Tengwar' lesson at the end of the Sindarin grammar stuff.

Actually.. he also wants to write an 'Introduction to Linguistics' course eventually, but given that he's still finishing 'Basic Sindarin' (what I'm doing now) and he wants to write an 'Advanced Sindarin' course as well.... it may be as far as a year away.

TennisHack
02-16-2003, 03:20 AM
Indeed, I've never opened the book or watched the films.

Russian transliteration is very difficult because there is no set way to do it. There are also non-transferable letters (including one very prominent vowel sound) that you have to work around. So that's one reason why there are so many differing translations of Russian literature, with different transliteration rules applied.

Is the guy writing the course a linguist, or is this like his ultimate hobby? How does he know all of this stuff about the language? Did Tolkien bequeath it to him or something? (No snarkiness intended!)

Puss-in-Boots
02-16-2003, 03:38 AM
Originally posted by TennisHack
Is the guy writing the course a linguist, or is this like his ultimate hobby? How does he know all of this stuff about the language? Did Tolkien bequeath it to him or something? (No snarkiness intended!)

That's actually a very good question. Most people study it as a hobby....a site I looked at describes studying Elvish in depth to be 'the ultimate luxury'. Some of the more linguistically oriented people go into quite some depth. I think the guy writing the course at CoE is still a linguistics student... but from what I've seen, I trust his material (more on this later).

Unfortunately, Tolkien died before much of his notes and papers concerning his invented languages could be tidied up and released for publication.... slowly over the years, his son Christopher (who is his literary executor) organized his papers for publication. The Silmarillion and the History of Middle-Earth series are examples of his posthumously published works. We're still hoping more Elvish texts and vocabulary will eventually make their way into print.

How people started out constructing an Elvish grammar is through a 'Rosetta-Stone' approach. In several cases Tolkien provided text in Elvish and its English translation. Get enough of those and you can reconstruct most of the grammatical features. The 'Etymologies' (in HoME #5, the book I was so excited to get) provides details on how he actually constructed words in Sindarin and Quenya and has several hundred 'root' words, so there's a help too. Here is an example of an analysis (by Fauskanger) of one of Tolkien's corpus texts: http://www.uib.no/People/hnohf/elbereth.htm

The poem is taken apart and compared to a translation of Tolkien's which was published elsewhere.

I've subscribed to a couple of Tolkienian Linguistics email lists (although most of it goes whoosh over my head) and from what I've read there and on various other sites, there are several well-respected 'titans' including David Salo (who ended up doing the Elvish bits for the movie), Helge Fauskanger, and a guy whose surname looks like Dierdinszki (can't spell it! :o). The Sindarin course I'm doing is based on Fauskanger's treatise 'Sindarin - the Noble Tongue' and IMO is very well done (I also use Fauskanger's text as a reference and they complement each other very nicely). Fauskanger has also written a Quenya course, which I intend to start once I've finished Sindarin.

Lee
02-16-2003, 03:43 AM
Hi Allan and TH! :wavey:

Trying to catch up with the posts!

Puss-in-Boots
02-16-2003, 03:46 AM
:wavey: Lee! :D

TH, I should add that Tolkien has actually explicitly stated that he didn't invent the languages as an 'extra' for his stories, but rather the languages came first, and the stories followed as an invented 'mythology' behind his created languages. So he actually left behind piles and piles of linguistic notes, which made the 'Rosetta-Stone' approach possible.

Lee
02-16-2003, 03:52 AM
Originally posted by Dr. Peedy
:wavey:

Oh TH! *hug* Thanks for missing me... I was kinda a bit scared to post here for a while because the discussion went all serious etc. :o and I felt like the guy who barges into a Mensa meeting and asks how to spell 'cat'. :o

Also, on a total impulse, I bought a DVD player on Friday, and miraculously got it to speak to the TV my boss lent me. (If you may have forgotten, you use a dial to change channels on it. :o ) So I've been watching FOTR over and over and over and gushing and gushing and :o trying to analyse the Elvish bits. :o

You can barge in anytime, Allan! I miss you too but I saw you post in Lleyki so I am not so worried about you.

A DVD player :bounce: Congratulation! Remember to come here when you get you pay cheque! :D :D

TennisHack
02-16-2003, 03:53 AM
Wow . . . it's impressive that one could successfully make up a whole language (really, how fitting when you make up a whole world) from seemingly stratch. At one level it's silly when you think of people devoting their lives to an imaginary language, but at another, it's amazing that Tolkien has inspired such fascination and wonder.

Though I've never read the books or seen the movies, I'm glad that there's this giant, burgeoning Tolkien subculture. It just seems intuitively right in the face of the shallow, stupid shit being spoodfed to society at large.

And that's my philosophical ramble for the night. I get like this when I'm on a moby stint. *dreamy smile*

Lee
02-16-2003, 03:58 AM
Originally posted by Dr. Peedy
Serious in general works... but there were a lot of long technical posts specifically about tennis that were way over my head. :o So while Sjengster was posting all sorts of intelligent and well-written posts, I felt a bit sheepish popping in and going: 'I bought a DVD player! :D Legolas is SOOOO HOT! :hearts: I wish they spoke more Elvish in the film! etc. etc. etc.' :p

I think some of our posts were like that Allan! Mixing serious and so called "shallow" topics together. Sometimes when we were chatting on some very serious topic, it's nice to have something less serious to relax our mind.

TennisHack
02-16-2003, 04:00 AM
:wavey: Lee

Puss-in-Boots
02-16-2003, 04:02 AM
Yeah... I'll readily admit that
<---- pretty boy elf here was my first inspiration to go learn Elvish :p, but now that I've gotten into it, I'm really enjoying learning it for the sake of the intellectual challenge. It's purely an academic exercise since it's not like as if I'll get to use much Elvish in the real world :o, but I've always been attracted to purely abstract, intellectual work (hence, why I am in math).

I find it satisfying now that when I reread LOTR or the Silmarillion, I actually can translate some of the place names etc. and it adds an additional nuance / flavour to the text that I would have missed if I had not learnt basic Sindarin.

Lee
02-16-2003, 04:04 AM
Originally posted by Dr. Peedy
I *used* to be fluent in Malay... it was the compulsory medium of instruction in Malaysian schools... but it's been years since I've used it and I'm really rusty... if I see something in Malay, I can translate it back to English because it triggers some form of recall mechanism... but I couldn't easily translate from English to Malay these days.



:D :D Exactly like my Chinese.

Lee
02-16-2003, 04:09 AM
Now I feel like barge into a very serious linguistic discussion. :o

Puss-in-Boots
02-16-2003, 04:11 AM
LOL, Lee! :D Shall we gush instead?

You had some very nice Haas avatars in the past couple of weeks! :D

TennisHack
02-16-2003, 04:12 AM
Originally posted by Dr. Peedy
I find it satisfying now that when I reread LOTR or the Silmarillion, I actually can translate some of the place names etc. and it adds an additional nuance / flavour to the text that I would have missed if I had not learnt basic Sindarin.

Hehe, I like that too. It's like you are sharing secrets with the author that less attentive people miss. And if its fulfilling for you, all the better :)

I never realized I did this until I had to tell someone, but I readily start free associating when I read something. If a particular structure or idea strikes me, my mind immediately spins off into my bank of trivial knowledge and brings up all those other contexts. Sometimes if I'm reading something for a class I'll go off on a tangent in my mind and forget what I was reading about! :o

TennisHack
02-16-2003, 04:14 AM
Originally posted by Lee
Now I feel like barge into a very serious linguistic discussion. :o

LOL, I can switch gears pretty easily!

I was actually rereading Mrs. B's thread a few days ago, and remembering how much fun we had in there :) The first Christmas on the board was a lot of fun :)

Puss-in-Boots
02-16-2003, 04:21 AM
Originally posted by TennisHack
Hehe, I like that too. It's like you are sharing secrets with the author that less attentive people miss. And if its fulfilling for you, all the better :)



Yeah... these days I find my LOTR-related distractions so seductive, possibly perhaps because they pander to my internal yearnings for a simpler life. I'm in the midst of preparing to apply for PR here (the Australian equivalent of a US Green Card) and I have to get qualifications and documents certified, letters from the university and my chiropractor, proof of employment in a 'skilled' category, organize police clearances from both here and Malaysia, and fill in gazillions of forms... and I'll have to travel an hour by train to go do my medical exam...

*sigh* I wanna move to Middle-Earth.

Lee
02-16-2003, 04:25 AM
Originally posted by Dr. Peedy
LOL, Lee! :D Shall we gush instead?

You had some very nice Haas avatars in the past couple of weeks! :D

:D :D Haas is the "shallow" part of me. I like to watch him play more for his look than his tennis although that's pretty good too! It will be awhile before he returned to play, that's the reason he's in my avatar for sometime but since Guga will be back next week, I have to put him back on.

Have you seen the Arnaud Clement avatar?

Lee
02-16-2003, 04:29 AM
Originally posted by Dr. Peedy
Yeah... these days I find my LOTR-related distractions so seductive, possibly perhaps because they pander to my internal yearnings for a simpler life. I'm in the midst of preparing to apply for PR here (the Australian equivalent of a US Green Card) and I have to get qualifications and documents certified, letters from the university and my chiropractor, proof of employment in a 'skilled' category, organize police clearances from both here and Malaysia, and fill in gazillions of forms... and I'll have to travel an hour by train to go do my medical exam...

*sigh* I wanna move to Middle-Earth.

That's one of the reason most of my friends who immigrated to Australia returned to Hong Kong later. You have to spend so much time riding trains. Another reason of course is the high tax.

Puss-in-Boots
02-16-2003, 04:29 AM
Ah, now that I have a TV I'll actually get to see some tennis! :D So many players I've become more aware of since I started posting on ATPworld and I should actually see how they play. :p

When it comes to guys, I'm normally a sucker for blondes :D, but Haas has this rather cute look to him. :D

No, I don't think I've seen the Clement avatar.

Lee
02-16-2003, 04:31 AM
Originally posted by TennisHack
LOL, I can switch gears pretty easily!

I was actually rereading Mrs. B's thread a few days ago, and remembering how much fun we had in there :) The first Christmas on the board was a lot of fun :)

It's nice to have some fun thread to turn to once in awhile.

I just found out James lost to AA today. Although it's expected by it's still disheartening.

Lee
02-16-2003, 04:34 AM
This is the larger version of that avatar

TennisHack
02-16-2003, 04:35 AM
Originally posted by Lee
:D :D Haas is the "shallow" part of me. I like to watch him play more for his look than his tennis although that's pretty good too!

Haas really has the perfect, ideal man's body (at least to me). Not too fond of his hair, but think he sports long hair better than short hair.

That said, I don't really find him too terribly attractive. I tend to attracted to people with slight quirks because I know I'm not attractive enough to catch the eye of some perfect person ;)

I think Jarkko is the only blonde I've ever been attracted to.

Puss-in-Boots
02-16-2003, 04:35 AM
Hrmm.. that pic makes me feel like I need to exercise more.... ever since I've stopped raving my midsection has gotten slightly flabby. Yuck. :mad:

TennisHack
02-16-2003, 04:35 AM
Originally posted by Lee
I just found out James lost to AA today. Although it's expected by it's still disheartening.

:sad: Poor James.

Agassihole :rolleyes: RETIRE ALREADY! :fiery:

TennisHack
02-16-2003, 04:37 AM
Originally posted by Dr. Peedy
Hrmm.. that pic makes me feel like I need to exercise more.... ever since I've stopped raving my midsection has gotten slightly flabby. Yuck. :mad:

LOL, I wish that was my problem :o

Lee
02-16-2003, 04:39 AM
Originally posted by Dr. Peedy
Hrmm.. that pic makes me feel like I need to exercise more.... ever since I've stopped raving my midsection has gotten slightly flabby. Yuck. :mad:

Oops! I have no intention to make you feel like that. :o

But that's a gorgeous body :drool: :drool:

Puss-in-Boots
02-16-2003, 04:39 AM
Originally posted by TennisHack
:sad: Poor James.

Agassihole :rolleyes: RETIRE ALREADY! :fiery:

LOL... I wonder if he's going to become the Navratilova of the men's tour. :o :p Scary thing is, Hewitt doesn't seem to be playing many tournaments.... Agassi might be #1 really really soon. :eek: :eek:

Puss-in-Boots
02-16-2003, 04:41 AM
Originally posted by Lee
Oops! I have no intention to make you feel like that. :o

But that's a gorgeous body :drool: :drool:

LOL that's OK... I kinda scowl at my midsection everytime I sit down.. :p... so it's not just that pic.

Lee
02-16-2003, 04:45 AM
I give up worrying about my mid-section for quite awhile. In the good old days, I have problem in buying co-ordinates cause if the blouse/shirt fits, the skirt will be too loose, now, it's the other way round *sigh*

Lee
02-16-2003, 04:46 AM
Just saw the draw for Copa AT&T and :fiery: Guga draw Rios in the first round.

Puss-in-Boots
02-16-2003, 04:48 AM
Originally posted by Lee
Guga draw Rios in the first round.

:eek: That will be interesting if they're both playing at 100%. :eek:

TennisHack
02-16-2003, 04:49 AM
Originally posted by Dr. Peedy
LOL... I wonder if he's going to become the Navratilova of the men's tour. :o :p Scary thing is, Hewitt doesn't seem to be playing many tournaments.... Agassi might be #1 really really soon. :eek: :eek:

Just as long as he doesn't stay there for long :eek: If Potatoboy won't do it, Juanqui's got to step it up and kick Baldy's ass outta there!

Lee
02-16-2003, 04:53 AM
Originally posted by Dr. Peedy
:eek: That will be interesting if they're both playing at 100%. :eek:

Rios playing pretty well this week and I worry about Guga's form. I am not sure he recovered fully from last week's DC lost *sigh*

And another terrible draw for Chang. He drew the 1st seed (AA) last week and 2nd seed (against Paradon) this week :fiery:

Puss-in-Boots
02-16-2003, 04:56 AM
Originally posted by Lee
And another terrible draw for Chang. He drew the 1st seed (AA) last week and 2nd seed (against Paradon) this week :fiery:

:( He's retiring soon, isn't he?

Lee
02-16-2003, 04:57 AM
Originally posted by Dr. Peedy
:( He's retiring soon, isn't he?

Yes, this is his last year on tour and see what happen to his first 2 tournaments. :fiery:

Puss-in-Boots
02-16-2003, 05:10 AM
Sorry... was eating.. :o

I have to go and get some work now.... I have to submit a report tomorrow, and I kinda haven't started writing it yet.. :o :o :o

:wavey: all! :)

Lee
02-16-2003, 05:11 AM
I guess I spent enough time here. Today is Chinese Valentine's Day, since the V day yesterday was a total wash out, I may treasure this last 50 minutes.

Bye! :wavey:

Chloe le Bopper
02-16-2003, 05:12 AM
Sorry to go off topic, but the Sjengsters belittlement of Williams fans on wtaworld is one of the more amusing things that I've read on that board. Not that the competition was all that tough, mind you. I tease them all the time but it's not nearly as effective because I do not have the same way with word that he does.

Lee
02-16-2003, 05:13 AM
Originally posted by Rebecca
Sorry to go off topic, but the Sjengsters belittlement of Williams fans on watworld is one of the more amusing things that I've read on that board. Not that the competition was all that tough, mind you. I tease them all the time but it's not as effective because I am not as good with words.

This definitely worth reading (but later). Sorry have to go when you come Becca and thanks for the inf

Chloe le Bopper
02-16-2003, 05:14 AM
Oh, Lee! You quoted my post before I had time to edit it! *sigh*

Have a nice night.

TennisHack
02-16-2003, 05:20 AM
Could you link it here, Becca? Because I'd never find it :o

And while you're working on that, here's another bit to chew on:

Did King Juan Carlos of Spain kill his younger brother? (http://www.snopes.com/spoons/noose/juan.htm)

Chloe le Bopper
02-16-2003, 05:27 AM
Starting at around the 10th post on the second page:
http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=56921

By the way TH, hope you approve of my new avatar (when I get around to changing it in a second that it) ;)

TennisHack
02-16-2003, 05:32 AM
Sjengster is Hendouble? Didn't know he could be such a troll :o

TennisHack
02-16-2003, 05:33 AM
Teehee at your new avatar. Didn't think anyone could replace Juanqui in your eyes ;)

Chloe le Bopper
02-16-2003, 05:39 AM
It was either that thread or another one where he said he was Sjengster, so no trolling on his part. Although I could tell by the post about British teeth that it was his, even before reading the rest. He has a way with words that is rather unique to tennis message boards. That's one way of putting it.

Regarding my avatar, I just felt that it was time for a change. I was going to change it to Vinciguerra after his Davis Cup win but the picture was too big.

TennisHack
02-16-2003, 05:44 AM
Hmm, I guess I just thought Sjengster was above the level of teasing stupid Williams fans. Another paradigm has shifted ;)

Chloe le Bopper
02-16-2003, 05:56 AM
Well Tennishack, I'm not sure how much time you've spent reading wtaworld in your days...

But let me teach a little wtaworld lesson: If you post on wtaworld and are NOT a Williams lover, their fans assume that you are there to make their lives miserable. Furthermore, if you dare to express an opinion that contrasts with the popular opinion that the sun shines out Venus and Serena's asses, then you are the scum of the universe.

I do wish that I was kidding but it's very true ;) In which case perhaps he wasn't even doing it on purpose.

I, on the otherhand do it on purpose.

TennisHack
02-16-2003, 06:04 AM
I've done my bit of observing, and am not here to try to defend their dumb asses. But it also seems to me that anybody who's taken one look at GM over there would realize how sensitive and prone to attack they are, and how it can get very tiresome very quickly to egg them on.

Granted, I don't go to that board very much so my view might be skewed, but from Sjengster's posting record here I figured he was above engaging those people even for his own amusement. Guess I judged him as too serious a character ;)

Chloe le Bopper
02-16-2003, 06:08 AM
Well the thing is you don't even have to *try* to rile them up for amusement. I've gotten to the point where my mere presence in a thread is enough for some of them to start randomly insulting me.

Regardless, I found it very amusing even if nobody else did ;)

Btw, why did Michel pull out of Rotterdam?

Chloe le Bopper
02-16-2003, 06:10 AM
Disregard that; I see that you answered my question in the Other Swiss Players Thread.

TennisHack
02-16-2003, 06:12 AM
I have no idea why Michel pulled out of Rotterdam. I speculate that it's because he'd like to revel in his hard-earned DC glory, not the mention resting up, before heading to Denmark to try to make a dent in that rather weak draw.

Or maybe he seriously injured (ie broke) his toe. Depends on which toe it was, but even fracturing the pinkie toe can hurt like hell.

I just hope he isn't sick again :(

Chloe le Bopper
02-16-2003, 06:19 AM
Hopefully it's just to rest up for Denmark, as you suggested.

For some reason the clock on my computer is always at least ten minutes slow. I reset the silly thing daily, yet it always seems to fall back. I feel so betrayed.

Vera
02-16-2003, 07:20 AM
I see quite a lot of new avatar :D. Must say I like Leo's new one the most, especially his new signiture. Did JMac really say that :eek: ? I can only remember last year when he played Safin in the SF in RG, JMac was asked if Juanqui is capable of doing well on hard court. JMac's answer is : don't think so, look at his legs, don't think they can handle hard court, blah blah blah...Ya, whatever, JMac!

BTW, lokon, who's that on your avatar?

Vera
02-16-2003, 07:23 AM
I miss Vaiva and Layla, but I guess they are both buried by their truckloads of work. Though since Marat's back in action next week in Rotterdam, I suppose Vaiva won't be able to fight the temptation to come around here :D :p .

Vera
02-16-2003, 07:32 AM
Originally posted by Dr. Peedy
Serious in general works... but there were a lot of long technical posts specifically about tennis that were way over my head. :o So while Sjengster was posting all sorts of intelligent and well-written posts, I felt a bit sheepish popping in and going: 'I bought a DVD player! :D Legolas is SOOOO HOT! :hearts: I wish they spoke more Elvish in the film! etc. etc. etc.' :p

lol. Allan, you are too funny. What're we gonna do w/o you :D? I like Sjengster posts but I also like yours gushing for Legolas posts :p. Besides, I've already claimed to be the shallow one here so don't worry.

Man, you and Hackie put on quite some mileage of intelligently composed linguistic discussion here, way out of my league :o.

Vera
02-16-2003, 07:39 AM
Originally posted by Lee
Just saw the draw for Copa AT&T and :fiery: Guga draw Rios in the first round.

Wow, that would be a wonderful match to watch. Rios is in the final tomorrow. I love watching him when he's on, though that's not very often. But it would be a tough one for Guga :(.

Vera
02-16-2003, 07:45 AM
Originally posted by TennisHack
Could you link it here, Becca? Because I'd never find it :o

And while you're working on that, here's another bit to chew on:

Did King Juan Carlos of Spain kill his younger brother? (http://www.snopes.com/spoons/noose/juan.htm)

How do you dig up such interesting topic? Besides linguistic, history is also my weak point, so I wonder why King Juan Carlos was on exiled back then. Maybe I'll look up more history of Spain. I just bought a Spain travel book the other day. Not that I'm going there any time soon but being able to indulge myself with any Spain related topic is good enough in the time being :o. I guess Spain fascinates me as much as Middle-Earth does to Allan :p.

Vera
02-16-2003, 07:48 AM
Well, enough of talking to myself. Just that I don't feel like going to bed since I napped the whole game when trying to watch Toronto against Ottawa, wasn't a bad game but I just don't know who I want to root for. Anywayzz...

Good night, thread :wavey:

Mrs. B
02-16-2003, 02:52 PM
:wavey:

I bring good tidings! :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

Roger has won the Open 13 tournament in Marseille. He defeated Jonas Bjorkman 6-2, 7-6 His first title this year.

:D :D :D

Sjengster
02-16-2003, 03:32 PM
Originally posted by TennisHack
Granted, I don't go to that board very much so my view might be skewed, but from Sjengster's posting record here I figured he was above engaging those people even for his own amusement. Guess I judged him as too serious a character ;)

Guilty as charged, Hackie, but since I only joined wtaworld yesterday I thought it would be a bit of fun to try and wind up a few people. I see that some people on there have already taken it in the right spirit, but sometimes it is irresistible to try and knock down a few of the overly serious and righteous Williams fans now and then.

As a comparison to this board, I found it interesting to note just how little of the discussion is actually about women's tennis, and how much is about discussing/attacking players' personalities and engaging in long pro/anti-Williams arguments. You should see the thread about the use of the term 'bitch-slapping' - I deviated from the point somewhat and ended up quoting Trotsky to try and make a political point that some people actually thought was serious, and not just a huge wind-up on my part.

Chloe le Bopper
02-16-2003, 03:55 PM
Well not everybody took you seriously, so there is still some hope for wtaworld.

I used to try to carry on somewhat serious discussion on wtaworld but finally gave up and accepted that it was a lost cause.

Although I'm not a great source, seeing as I make it my personal duty to be as big of an asshole as possible to certain people on that board, I found your random comments pretty amusing.

TennisHack
02-16-2003, 05:03 PM
Originally posted by Vera
How do you dig up such interesting topic? Besides linguistic, history is also my weak point, so I wonder why King Juan Carlos was on exiled back then.

I was quite bored last night and, having completed the run of my usual websites to visit, went to Snopes and was just poking around. I'd never heard that before, either.

TennisHack
02-16-2003, 05:06 PM
Originally posted by Sjengster
Guilty as charged, Hackie, but since I only joined wtaworld yesterday I thought it would be a bit of fun to try and wind up a few people. I see that some people on there have already taken it in the right spirit, but sometimes it is irresistible to try and knock down a few of the overly serious and righteous Williams fans now and then.

As a comparison to this board, I found it interesting to note just how little of the discussion is actually about women's tennis, and how much is about discussing/attacking players' personalities and engaging in long pro/anti-Williams arguments. You should see the thread about the use of the term 'bitch-slapping' - I deviated from the point somewhat and ended up quoting Trotsky to try and make a political point that some people actually thought was serious, and not just a huge wind-up on my part.

Welcome to the women's tour :D

I didn't mean to sound chastising, or like you shouldn't take pleasure in knocking people from their hobby horses. I'm glad to know there's some semblence of a sense of humor over there as well. Just as long as you know what you're dealing with ;) We've all had urges to troll, and its not necessarily a bad thing.

ILR
02-16-2003, 08:55 PM
:wavey:

I am in a terribly good modd right now!:D because

1) Rogi won in Marseille :bounce:
2) I got to watch my favourite Italian team tonight with many dishy players :D
3) Im off school all week!

Awww Im easily pleased huh!;) Oh yeh add to that list

4) made more money babysitting!

Vera
02-16-2003, 09:01 PM
Congrats Emma for the above 4 reasons you've listed. I'm anticipating a big year for Rogi. I just hope that Juanqui can top his :D. He's playing Arthurs in Rotterdam first round. Arthurs called Juanqui his bogey man in USO last year :rolleyes: . Well, though, I still don't feel comfortable for him to play Arthurs, of course I'm uncomfortable for him to play anyone, I worry too much.

And Rogi's playing Enqvist :mad:. Gosh, I think Thomas losing streak will likely continues, damn his luck :(.

ILR
02-16-2003, 09:04 PM
:wavey: Hi Vera :)

I think or certainly hope both of them will have a big year and I worry a lot too.I think its natural especially when its players that Rogi and Juanqui are expected to beat or if they are bogey players.And I could be on here a long time!:p:o

Sjengster
02-16-2003, 09:24 PM
Well Vera, I'd give Enqvist a fair chance - he's beaten Federer 3 times out of 3, including indoors in the Basel final in 2000, and I get the feeling that he likes Federer's game. Also, with Roger just coming off a win in Marseille I wonder how fresh he'll be feeling... although to be honest, I hope he can beat Thomas for the first time, that loss at Indian Wells last year was crippling to watch.

And you can see why Arthurs thinks of Ferrero as his bogeyman - two straight events at Cincinnati and the US Open where he draws Ferrero and ends up losing, and he's drawn him in the first round once again. Of course, this kind of surface is definitely to Arthurs' advantage.

TennisHack
02-16-2003, 09:27 PM
Good and bad news from Antwerp today . . . Kimmy lost to Venus in singles :sad::fiery: but took out her rage and won her 5th doubles crown.

(F) Clijsters/Sugiyama d. Dechy/Loit 6-2, 6-0

TennisHack
02-16-2003, 09:30 PM
Juan Carlos is also playing doubles with Tommy Robredo in Rotterdam.

I'm not sure how much I like the fact that he drew Arthurs for the first round, but he has an excellent record against him and, if his form holds from the Aussie Open, should be able to dismiss him. He has a chance to meet Jarkko in the quarters. Guess I'll be cheering for the Finn alone again as he opens vs Corretja.

Mario qualified, so this is looking to be the best tournament of the week :) Hopefully everyone will do well :)

I'm also secretly hoping James will win Memphis. Bob Larson saw fit to dismiss him in his preview of the week (posted in GM), but he's coming off a semifinal run in San Jose and to me looks primed to take the title, especially if Roddick's out of commission.

TennisHack
02-16-2003, 09:36 PM
Hmm, some interesting doubles pairings in Memphis -- Blake & Gimelstob, Roddick & Srichaphan, Burgsmeller & Davydenko . ..

Vera
02-16-2003, 09:39 PM
:wavey: Sjengster and Hackie.

Well, I think Rogi shoud be a little tired. But Thomas probably struggling big time with his confidence, he only won 1 match so far this year. I suppose he has chance against Rogi but I fear the worse for Thomas. But on the other hand, if he can beat Rogi, maybe he'll finally pick up some confident he had left behind since his injury. I know most of you guys will support Rogi, but I hope Thomas can get a win and lift his career back on track. He's turning 29 in March. If he doesn't get back to form quickly, I fear retirement will creep into his mind :(.

BTW, all Juanqui's wins over Arthurs (3 wins) were on hard court. So Arthurs is not seeing any advantage on the concrete.

Layla
02-16-2003, 09:40 PM
Hi everyone! :wavey:

Long time no see. :( Believe me, I've missed you all. I'm fed up with work at the moment. :mad: The good news is that there's only 40 days left before I can take a day off. :rolleyes: Argh, forget it!

I'm not entirely happy about Juanqui drawing Arthurs either, but he has a clear mental advantage so I'm not too worried.

TH, it looks like our faves will once again be on opposite sides. But Corretja seems to be having a slow start again, as usual. :) So my money would be on Jarkko, it it makes you feel any better. ;)

ILR
02-16-2003, 09:41 PM
Hi everyone who has come here since I last said hello!:wavey:

thats a shame about work Layla :( but nice to see you hear again

Layla
02-16-2003, 09:44 PM
Emma, glad to hear about all your good news. :) What do you plan to do on your break from school?

Layla
02-16-2003, 09:45 PM
Vera, I'm trying to find pics of Sebastien with his kids for the tennis daddies thread. Do you happen to have any or know where I could find them?

ILR
02-16-2003, 09:46 PM
hmm well I am going speed Karting on Wednesday with a couple of friends and a sleepover but just relaxing and a bit of work really.:) and long lie ins!;)

RogiFan
02-16-2003, 09:49 PM
:) Hi everyone!

Still have to go make my risotto for din but have to catch up on the Juanqui posts now after the Rogi posts!

So happy for Rogi...

Now it's Juanqui's turn to win a tournament [since he failed to do so in Sydney]... so VAMOS, JUANQUI!!!

I like the doubles: Juanqui/Tommy, Alex/Albert, Rogi/Max!!

Yeah, I want Rogi to win vs. Enqvist too -- about time he started beating those "betes noires"!!

True, Alex is a slow starter but I want him to start doing better too! Sorry he has to play Jarkko! :rolleyes:

Why are all the Spaniards in the top half [exc Lopez]??? I hate it!

Rogi has Tim, Mario, etc.!

Gotta go!

TennisHack
02-16-2003, 09:50 PM
Originally posted by Layla
TH, it looks like our faves will once again be on opposite sides. But Corretja seems to be having a slow start again, as usual. :) So my money would be on Jarkko, it it makes you feel any better. ;)

:wavey:

*hug* for the workload. I'm intently waiting for my own break, but I have a ton of work due before then :( February just needs to be OVER.

Sure, that makes me feel better ;) Rotterdam is going to be tough and most of my players are there this week. It's going to be hard to record their losses :(

Both Kimmy & Dani are taking the week off before the voyage to the States, so it'll be nice to only have to frantically follow one tour for a week ;)

ILR
02-16-2003, 09:51 PM
Hackie I blame you for this,:p Im plugging shamelessly :o I wrote a new poem about Rogis win today :) there,done it ;)

TennisHack
02-16-2003, 09:57 PM
LOL, you blame me for writing the poem or for shamlessly plugging your product? ;) Either way, it's nice to have you writing poems again! I'll have to go over and read it :)

ILR
02-16-2003, 10:00 PM
for plugging shamelessly of course ;)

Layla
02-16-2003, 10:01 PM
February AND March need to be over in a hurry. ;)

LOL, I didn't mean to put a smiling face behind the statement that Alex is a slow starter. :o

Yes, Rotterdam is going to be a very tough tournament, but I have so many faves playing there that some of them are bound to have a good run. :) I hope...

Kim :sad: She played really well for most of the match and she fought like a lioness at 5-2 down in the second. When she broke back to go 5-4, and played a few truly brilliant points I had a glimmer of hope that she would turn things around, but it wasn't meant to be. *sigh*

But congrats to everyone for Roger's victory!!! :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

Vera
02-16-2003, 10:02 PM
Originally posted by Layla
Vera, I'm trying to find pics of Sebastien with his kids for the tennis daddies thread. Do you happen to have any or know where I could find them?

No, don't think I've ever seen his kids. He has a french website where he wrote his diary to the fans. But I need to look it up to see where it is. Maybe Esther will know.

Layla
02-16-2003, 10:03 PM
Originally posted by IluvRogi
hmm well I am going speed Karting on Wednesday with a couple of friends and a sleepover but just relaxing and a bit of work really.:) and long lie ins!;)

Wow, speed Karting! Sounds exciting! :D Have fun, but I'm sure that's a given. :)

ILR
02-16-2003, 10:06 PM
thanks :) I agreed to go with a couple of friends :D We havent all been together before so it will be a laugh Im sure :)

TennisHack
02-16-2003, 10:07 PM
Originally posted by Layla
Yes, Rotterdam is going to be a very tough tournament, but I have so many faves playing there that some of them are bound to have a good run. :) I hope...

Why do so many top players play there? It's like everyone lays low for a few weeks then pounces on the Dutch tourney.


Kim :sad: She played really well for most of the match and she fought like a lioness at 5-2 down in the second. When she broke back to go 5-4, and played a few truly brilliant points I had a glimmer of hope that she would turn things around, but it wasn't meant to be. *sigh*

I wish I could find a picture of her doubles triumph, but there haven't been any new pictures in my usual haunts yet. And I also wish San Jose & Vina Del Mar would play their frickin finals already so I could get this week over with!!! (on my site, of course)

Layla
02-16-2003, 10:07 PM
Originally posted by Vera
No, don't think I've ever seen his kids. He has a french website where he wrote his diary to the fans. But I need to look it up to see where it is. Maybe Esther will know.

I have his official website bookmarked, but he doesn't have any pics of his children there. I saw him with his daughter Lola at Roland Garros 2002. It was on Eurosport and they looked absolutely adorable together. And I could tell he's a devoted father. :hearts:

Lee
02-16-2003, 10:16 PM
Hi Vera, TH, Layla & Emma! :wavey:

TennisHack
02-16-2003, 10:18 PM
I really like that picture of Santoro with his child that you posted, Layla :) I'll have to dig up some more Zhenya pictures, because he is most adorable with his youngest daughter :hearts:

Vera
02-16-2003, 10:20 PM
Originally posted by Layla
I have his official website bookmarked, but he doesn't have any pics of his children there. I saw him with his daughter Lola at Roland Garros 2002. It was on Eurosport and they looked absolutely adorable together. And I could tell he's a devoted father. :hearts:

Ah, I love to see that. I'm sure he is a devoted father. But he doesn't like to take about his family, so I think it will be tough to find a photo of them. I like to see it though and maybe the musketeers' fans will produce some, hopefully.

Hey, I saw Miller's first ski this morning and he lost his left pole :eek: :(. Did he manage to come back and take the podium?

Layla
02-16-2003, 10:21 PM
I like it too. :) I wish I could find a pic of Sebastien with his daughter though. I'm still trying.

Yes, please find more pics of Zhenya and his daughter. :) I remember you posted them in this thread a while back.

Lee
02-16-2003, 10:26 PM
Need to go Bye! :wavey:

TennisHack
02-16-2003, 10:28 PM
LOL, hi & bye Lee :wavey:

TennisHack
02-16-2003, 10:29 PM
Look what I found! :)

Ferrero ready for Arthurs

Richard Krajicek and Jan Siemerink have meanwhile completed the first round draw of the main tournament. The two Dutchmen, both of whom have previously won the tournament, drew Juan Carlos Ferrero against Wayne Arthurs. The Spanish number one seed is confident about his encounter with Australian Wayne Arthurs. Their last three matches, which were all played on hard-court, were won by Ferrero. His most recent victory was during the US Open (7-6 7-6 3-6 7-5.)

Roger Federer, the runner-up in 2002, meets Thomas Enqvist, a tough (and feared) opponent at the best of times. The last three encounters between the Swede and the Swiss, who is seeded second, have been won by Enqvist. They last met in March 2002, when Enqvist won 6-4 6-3.

Marat Safin, who is seeded third, would probably have preferred a different opponent. The Russian, who has trained hard at Ahoy’ and appears to have shaken his injury, faces Xavier Malisse of Belgium. Their last three encounters leave Malisse 2-1 ahead. Should Safin win, he could meet fellow countryman Yevgeny Kafelnikov in the second round. Kafelnikov, who lifted the winner’s trophy in 1999, will first need to get past Feliciano Lopez.

Reigning champion Nicolas Escudé also faces a tough opponent in Albert Costa, who is seeded fourth. Although the Frenchman is 2-1 up against Costa, he suffered a hamstring injury in Marseille last weekend (and withdrew from the tournament). Escudé has asked Tournament Director Stanley Franker to schedule his first match for Wednesday.

Ivan Ljubicic will have the opportunity to set the record straight with Tim Henman, who is seeded fifth. The last and only time these players met - during the quarter finals of last year’s tournament - the Englishman was victorious (7-5 6-4). Alex Corretja (seeded 7th) has not previously played Jarko Nieminen, the Finnish ‘Service Slammer’.

The remaining seeded players, Sébastien Grosjean (6) and Sjeng Schalken (8), both face qualifiers. Grosjean meets Renzo Furlan while Schalken takes on Christophe Rochus (this match is scheduled for Monday evening). Peter Wessels, the fifth Dutch player to participate, will play Jonas Björkman. The highly talented Mario Ancic faces Max Mirnyi while Andrej Stoljarov of Bulgaria is the lucky loser (he heads the list of reserve players).



LOL, I love how they don't say a damn thing about Juanqui's match ;)

Layla
02-16-2003, 10:30 PM
Originally posted by Vera
Ah, I love to see that. I'm sure he is a devoted father. But he doesn't like to take about his family, so I think it will be tough to find a photo of them. I like to see it though and maybe the musketeers' fans will produce some, hopefully.

Hey, I saw Miller's first ski this morning and he lost his left pole :eek: :(. Did he manage to come back and take the podium?

Actually, I remember someone posted an interview in the Muskateers thread where Seb talked about Christmas and how important it is. He described lovingly his daughter's excitement about the gifts. I don't remember the details because it was in French but it was very moving and warm. :)

NOOOO, Miller was extremely unlucky. He had a beautiful run up to that point, pure perfection. :hearts: And this is his fourth equipement malfunction this year. He lost his ski twice, broke his pole once and now he lost his pole. It's mind-boggling. :confused: He finished 6th in the end, no medal no. 4. :sad: And the Nazi Freak won! :fiery: :fiery: That's what I call Ivica Kostelic now. Fucking Nazi sympathizer!!! :mad: He didn't deserve this medal. I'm sill fuming about this slalom race. :o

Still, Miller was the King of St. Moritz with his 3 medals, two gold and one silver. :) Congrats Bode and thanks for everything! :kiss:

Layla
02-16-2003, 10:32 PM
Hi and bye Lee! :wavey: :confused:

TennisHack
02-16-2003, 10:34 PM
Juan Carlos is scheduled for a doubles match against -- Kafelnikov and Hrbaty?!?!? Talk about a weird doubles pair! :eek:

Jarkko & Mario are playing in singles tomorrow. Mario vs Max appears to be one of the featured night matches. He moved up in the world quickly! ;)

ILR
02-16-2003, 10:37 PM
lol yes hi and bye Lee!:wavey:

Vera
02-16-2003, 10:40 PM
Originally posted by Layla
Actually, I remember someone posted an interview in the Muskateers thread where Seb talked about Christmas and how important it is. He described lovingly his daughter's excitement about the gifts. I don't remember the details because it was in French but it was very moving and warm. :)


I read that too :). He and his family is very adorable. That reminded me of Richard Krajicek, when he talked about his kids in the interview in last year's Wimby. Maybe I'll try look for his family photo too.

------------------------------------------------------

Hi and bye Lee :wavey:

Vera
02-16-2003, 10:42 PM
Hackie, I'm reading the Spanish Civil War at the moment :o .

Layla
02-16-2003, 10:45 PM
Originally posted by TennisHack
Juan Carlos is scheduled for a doubles match against -- Kafelnikov and Hrbaty?!?!? Talk about a weird doubles pair! :eek:

Jarkko & Mario are playing in singles tomorrow. Mario vs Max appears to be one of the featured night matches. He moved up in the world quickly! ;)

Kafelnikov and Hrbaty? :eek: I don't think they have much of a chance. :(

So Jarkko vs. Alex is tomorrow? I really should check out the schedule. The other day, Blade (I think) posted the best live scoring site I've seen so far. I bookmarked it, so here's the link if anyone wants to use it.

http://www.livescore.com/tennis.dll

Go Alex and Mario! :bounce:

TennisHack
02-16-2003, 10:47 PM
Vera -- are you talking about my link, or just about the war in general?

Layla, the Rotterdam official site is pretty good, and once again someone beat me to posting the Order of Play ;)

Thanks for the site, I'll bookmark it too just in case I get a chance to follow scores (not likely for Rotterdamn :().

Best of luck to Jarkko! :D

Vera
02-16-2003, 10:55 PM
Originally posted by TennisHack
Vera -- are you talking about my link, or just about the war in general?


The war in general, but it's the link you gave that sparks my curiosity. So far, I've finished the part regarding the Civil War in Spain before the WW II. Still lots of reading follows, like what's Franco's background and what happened to Spain under Franco's rule. But that is, if I can find those readings on the internet. There's an article in The Economist last Oct. But to get into their archive, they required payment :(.

TennisHack
02-16-2003, 10:56 PM
I posted more pictures of Zhenya & daughter in GM. He's so great with her :)

Layla
02-16-2003, 11:01 PM
I'm glad Rotterdam has a decent site. :) I'll check it out tomorrow.

The Agassi vs. Sanguinetti final is on Eurosport right now, but I'll elect to pass that one, since I don't really like either of them. Sanguinetti is one of my top 6 least favorite players. I saw him play in Milan last year and he was dreadful. I have no idea how he managed to win that tournament. It's mind-boggling! I don't even know why I dislike him, he just rubs me the wrong way. His pathetic attempts at fist-clenches didn't help either. :o

Layla
02-16-2003, 11:03 PM
Originally posted by TennisHack
I posted more pictures of Zhenya & daughter in GM. He's so great with her :)

Thanks! :) Those pics are really adorable, especially the one where she's sleeping. Is he really a single parent?

TennisHack
02-16-2003, 11:05 PM
LOL, yeah, the final would begin after I've given up and updated my website for next week's events :rolleyes:

I don't like Sanguinetti either, but I don't have a strong dislike for him. Mostly I can't stand Agassihole. It's going to be a sad state of affairs when he gets to #1. Then the top of both tours will be dominated by the most boring yet arrogant people in the world, with two of the nicest people bringing up spot #3 :fiery:

Hopefully Juan Carlos & Kim can kick it up a gear and ascend to their rightful places at the top!

No, I'm not bitter and/or frustrated. Whatever gave you that idea? :rolleyes:

TennisHack
02-16-2003, 11:10 PM
Originally posted by Layla
Thanks! :) Those pics are really adorable, especially the one where she's sleeping. Is he really a single parent?

Yes. He has full custody of Alyesha and she lives with his parents in Sochi while he's on tour.

I'm not sure about his other daughter, the one his ex-wife Masha had before they were married. He adopted her, but I don't think he fought for custody of her after the divorce.

I think once Zhenya retires from tennis that he'll put most of his efforts into caring for Alyesha. She has always been his #1 priority and I'd love to see him blossom as a father :)

TennisHack
02-16-2003, 11:14 PM
Originally posted by Vera
The war in general, but it's the link you gave that sparks my curiosity. So far, I've finished the part regarding the Civil War in Spain before the WW II. Still lots of reading follows, like what's Franco's background and what happened to Spain under Franco's rule. But that is, if I can find those readings on the internet. There's an article in The Economist last Oct. But to get into their archive, they required payment :(.

Well, you'll soon know more than I do about Spanish history. I didn't know the Spanish monarchy exiled themselves in Portugal until I read that story at snopes, actually.

Do you have access to a good library? Because I'm sure there are tons of books out there :)

Layla
02-16-2003, 11:17 PM
Yep, a dreadful future lies just around the corner. :eek: I don't even want to think about it. But all in all, I don't dislike Agassi as much as you do, so I think I'll be able to live with it. But only just. :( And Agassi is not as unbeatable as the Williams sisters. ;)

Anyway, he just won 6-3 6-1. What a shock!

Layla
02-16-2003, 11:24 PM
I have to go now. My eyes are hurting me.

Goodnight! Sleep tight! :wavey:

TennisHack
02-16-2003, 11:27 PM
Goodnight, Layla! :wavey:

Vera
02-16-2003, 11:28 PM
Originally posted by TennisHack
Well, you'll soon know more than I do about Spanish history. I didn't know the Spanish monarchy exiled themselves in Portugal until I read that story at snopes, actually.

Do you have access to a good library? Because I'm sure there are tons of books out there :)

I'm just at the first page of spanish history, but there's so much to read and more to come about the facist force in Spain and Europe. Franco was supported by Hitler and Mussolini, he then overturned the democratic party in Spain and took over as the dictator of the country...

Well, anywayzz, I always go to the library in downtown, I love the environment there.

Vera
02-16-2003, 11:30 PM
Originally posted by Layla
Yep, a dreadful future lies just around the corner. :eek: I don't even want to think about it. But all in all, I don't dislike Agassi as much as you do, so I think I'll be able to live with it. But only just. :( And Agassi is not as unbeatable as the Williams sisters. ;)

Anyway, he just won 6-3 6-1. What a shock!

:fiery: someone stop that Bald man :fiery: ! Oh well, wonder how many tourney it takes for Baldy to lose his first match:fiery: .

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Good night Layla :wavey:

Vera
02-16-2003, 11:34 PM
I'm curious, did anyone know if Juanqui and Tommy ever win a double match :o?

ILR
02-16-2003, 11:35 PM
bye Layla :wavey:

and lol at Vera :o somebody stop the bald man!:p

Vera
02-16-2003, 11:38 PM
Emma, what's up with England, losing to Aussie :o ?

ILR
02-16-2003, 11:41 PM
now I could ask what in,but that would be everything :o but I take it you mean the football.:o they beat us at our own sport,oh the humiliation.Mind you most of the Aussie players play in England!But its no excuse :o

Vera
02-16-2003, 11:49 PM
Yes, I mean football. Is not really that shocking if Aussie beat England in other sports like cricket, rugby or anything else, but football :rolleyes:. Sorry, not rubbing it in :p.

Well, even the match is a meaningless one, but surely it's embarrassing.

ILR
02-16-2003, 11:51 PM
lol no cricket and rugby and tennis with the team we had yeah but football :o well national humiliation!The only thing I guess I can say is he was trying the youngsters out :p oh and as for rubbing it in :p never mind

Vera
02-16-2003, 11:54 PM
BTW, that Aussie Tennis magazine, Scud's poster was in the Centerfold. Well, I don't quite like Scud myself. But I thought you might be interested to know ;) .

ILR
02-16-2003, 11:56 PM
yes well maybe I would be Vera :p thanks for letting me know ;) and so we lost football but we can beat them in the rugby league match Sydney City Roosters v St.Helens.:o hmmm or maybe not as the case may be we were hammered 38-0.Oh,to be a Pom ;)

Vera
02-17-2003, 12:16 AM
lol. Emma, don't be too harsh on your boys. Maybe they can beat the Aussie in, errrrrrrr, give me a minute...:p

Vera
02-17-2003, 12:19 AM
Well, I'm leaving the computer now.

Good night Emma :wavey:
Bye Hackie :wavey:

ILR
02-17-2003, 12:21 AM
:p oh well Ill never find out what we'll beat the Aussies in then ;) Bye Vera :wavey:

TennisHack
02-17-2003, 12:27 AM
Bye, Vera! :wavey:

ILR
02-17-2003, 12:36 AM
omg its nearly 1:30 am and I know Im off school but Im a little tired!Goodnight!:wavey:

TennisHack
02-17-2003, 12:48 AM
Nighty night! I'm off as well to read about the protests across the globe yesterday :)

Vera
02-17-2003, 01:59 AM
Originally posted by IluvRogi
:p oh well Ill never find out what we'll beat the Aussies in then ;) Bye Vera :wavey:

Oooops, sorry, not meant to keep you in suspense. Truth is, if they can lost in football, there really is no sure bet. It will take me more than a minute to think of a sport...still thinking. And I correct myself, in fact, it would be a shock if England beat Aussie in tennis. But considering that rugby score you provided :o, I guess that DC first round is not really a total lost :D.

Chloe le Bopper
02-17-2003, 02:23 AM
I'm curious, did anyone know if Juanqui and Tommy ever win a double match

They certaintly have. Granted they lose more than they win, and have had some bad losses, but they'd had a couple good wins as well.

Their best wins from 2002 include victories over:
Eagle/Stolle
Kafelnikov/Tarango

They also took Knowles and Nestor to 10-12 in the super tie break.

Lee
02-17-2003, 02:38 AM
Originally posted by Vera
:fiery: someone stop that Bald man :fiery: ! Oh well, wonder how many tourney it takes for Baldy to lose his first match:fiery: .



When Pete is back :D :D

Lee
02-17-2003, 02:41 AM
Come in to say hi earlier today and went to WTAworld to read about the thread of Sjengster which is fun. Then, kick off the computer by you know who these days! *sigh*

I love those pic of father and children. Babies are so cute before they are 2. Zhenya's girl is cute too but I can imagine she will be very demanding on her dad :D :D.

Chloe le Bopper
02-17-2003, 03:03 AM
Lee, when is Pete supposed to be back?

TennisHack
02-17-2003, 03:25 AM
I heard Pete was coming back at TMS Indian Wells.

Alyesha may be demanding, but Zhenya will be quite blissful to be wrapped around her little finger, methinks :D

Chloe le Bopper
02-17-2003, 03:26 AM
Alyesha, eh? I like that. If I have children I'm given them great foreign names that their teachers and peers will never pronounce correctly.

TennisHack
02-17-2003, 03:28 AM
Well, her proper name is Aleysa, with "Alyesha" being not only a different transliteration but also a diminuative.

Russian has some great names, though, I agree :D

Chloe le Bopper
02-17-2003, 03:38 AM
Russian names are among my favourites. There is the odd ugly one, but that comes with every language. For example, I find the name Marat to be rather ugly. Apologies to anybody who was thinking of naming their kid that =)

This discussion reminds me yet again of the guy who called out for "Yev-jenny" in Toronto this past summer. I have nothing against the name Yevgeny, but I do have something against people pronouncing it like that ;)

TennisHack
02-17-2003, 03:44 AM
"Yev-jenny" :o Ouch for him.

"Marat" is not a common Russian name, and I've never heard of anybody except Safin named that (though I'm sure they exist).

I think my favorite male name is Sergei. I especially like its diminuative Seryozha, just so deep and breathy at the same time :) A close second would be Alexei, and any name that "Sasha" can be derived from.

I think the strangest name I've come across in my studies is "Jek".

Lee
02-17-2003, 03:45 AM
Sorry for disappearing suddenly again. I need to dig up those hateful tax info.

Pete should come back in the beginning of March in Scottsdale :D The Franklin Templeton tournament where AA is defending his title. I am quite confident he will be here since his older bro Gus is the coordinator here.

Chloe le Bopper
02-17-2003, 03:48 AM
I love the name Alexei.

Russian athletes have some of the best names in sport. My favourite tennis name for how it rolls of the tongue is Nikolay Davydenko. Say it! It's wonderful sounding!

TennisHack
02-17-2003, 03:49 AM
Mmm, how could I forget Nika? I prefer the spelling "Nikolai", though. Also a great name :D

Lee
02-17-2003, 03:50 AM
Originally posted by TennisHack

"Marat" is not a common Russian name, and I've never heard of anybody except Safin named that (though I'm sure they exist).


Is it possible that "Marat" is a Muslim name cause his mom is a Muslim and Marat himself said he is a Muslim?

Lee
02-17-2003, 03:51 AM
Originally posted by Rebecca
I love the name Alexei.

Russian athletes have some of the best names in sport. My favourite tennis name for how it rolls of the tongue is Nikolay Davydenko. Say it! It's wonderful sounding!

How about the female player that really have your tongue rolling? She has a very long last name and I think she's Russian.

Chloe le Bopper
02-17-2003, 03:52 AM
Before Davydenko came along, my favourite full name to say was Dominik Hrbaty. Which is neither Russian, nor that original of a given name. Yet for some reason I like how it all blends together.

Chloe le Bopper
02-17-2003, 03:52 AM
Krasnoroutskaya?

Lee
02-17-2003, 03:53 AM
I guess something like that but more complicate.

TennisHack
02-17-2003, 03:53 AM
Originally posted by Lee
How about the female player that really have your tongue rolling? She has a very long last name and I think she's Russian.

Do you mean Lina Krasnorutskaya? Or Olga Barabanchikova?

It's quite possible that "Marat" is a Muslim name. I've never been able to find it in a baby names book to identify its orgins, but its quite possible.

Chloe le Bopper
02-17-2003, 03:55 AM
I'm quite fond of Lina as a player. Despite what commentators seem to think, her name is actually easy to pronounce. I like the sound of Barabanchikova better though.

Lee
02-17-2003, 04:08 AM
Originally posted by TennisHack
Do you mean Lina Krasnorutskaya? Or Olga Barabanchikova?

It's quite possible that "Marat" is a Muslim name. I've never been able to find it in a baby names book to identify its orgins, but its quite possible.


It would be fun to watch on TV a match between Krasnorutskaya and Barabanchikova! :p

Chloe le Bopper
02-17-2003, 04:10 AM
It would be fun to watch the commentators finally just resort to calling them "B" and "K", yes. Why American TV personel have such a hard time pronouncing these names, I will never know.

Moving on, I should head to bed. OR something like it. I'm tired.

Lee
02-17-2003, 04:12 AM
Good night Becca! May be some of those TV guys are idiot?

Chloe le Bopper
02-17-2003, 04:15 AM
Some of them need to learn how to use their ATP/WTA media guide.

Good night.

TennisHack
02-17-2003, 04:17 AM
Don'tcha know, they have assistants to think for them :D

Nightynight :wavey:

Leo7
02-17-2003, 04:33 AM
aww, everybody's gone.

well we're having a blizzard here in New Jersey. it's supposed to snow for at least another 24 hours. we will have 12 - 18 inches of snow by tomorrow night, maybe even 2 feet!! we haven't had a snow storm this bad since '96! :eek:

Lee
02-17-2003, 04:37 AM
Hi Leo, I'm still here! Having fun in GM tonight!

Lee
02-17-2003, 04:39 AM
Originally posted by Leo7
well we're having a blizzard here in New Jersey. it's supposed to snow for at least another 24 hours. we will have 12 - 18 inches of snow by tomorrow night, maybe even 2 feet!! we haven't had a snow storm this bad since '96! :eek:

Since there will be no school tomorrow anyway, no need to wish for school closure, right?

It make me worry about my bro-in-law. He have to drive a long way to work.

Leo7
02-17-2003, 05:00 AM
:wavey: Lee. yeah, i don't have school tomorrow anyway. but i can always hope for a snow day on Tuesday. ;) this blizzard is pretty serious; a state emergency and all. no one is supposed to drive for the next 24 hours.

Leo7
02-17-2003, 05:06 AM
Originally posted by Rebecca
I'm quite fond of Lina as a player. Despite what commentators seem to think, her name is actually easy to pronounce. I like the sound of Barabanchikova better though.

aww, i love Lina too. she's so talented at her young age. unfortunately injuries kept her off the tour for most of 2002 but she's back now and in great form. she's beaten Monica, Bovina, Bedanova, and Petrova in the last few weeks, making the quarters of a Tier I (Tokyo) and a semifinal in a Tier III this week. GO LINA!! :bounce:

Lee
02-17-2003, 05:07 AM
Well, I guess my bro-in-law will probably stay at home. No way he can drive from New Jersey to New York to work in this kind of weather.

It's possible that you don't have to go to school on Tuesday. Lucky it won't happen here. Vince's out of school since Friday and I don't have much hair left to pull.

Puss-in-Boots
02-17-2003, 05:10 AM
:wavey: thread! :)

Lee
02-17-2003, 05:11 AM
Hi Allan! :wavey:

How's work?

Puss-in-Boots
02-17-2003, 05:15 AM
Uugh... I was up all night last night compiling data about biological threats to Australia's agricultural exports.... BOOOORING.

I still have to do some other sections of that report... :rolleyes:

I'm being paid to collect data for this computer science professor for 4 weeks... money is OK and comes in handy... but.... BOOOOORING.

Lee
02-17-2003, 05:18 AM
Just remember the money get you your DVD player and dream you are watching LOTR, then, it will be less BOOOOORRRRRIIINNNGGGG

Puss-in-Boots
02-17-2003, 05:20 AM
LOL...:).... now I have to wait for months and months before the Extended DVD version of The Two Towers comes out... :(

Leo7
02-17-2003, 05:22 AM
Originally posted by Lee
Well, I guess my bro-in-law will probably stay at home. No way he can drive from New Jersey to New York to work in this kind of weather.

It's possible that you don't have to go to school on Tuesday. Lucky it won't happen here. Vince's out of school since Friday and I don't have much hair left to pull.

yeah, it's smarter if he just stays in New Jersey for the time being. it's too dangerous on the roads right now.

does Vince have this week off? b/c most public schools in my area have a week for vacation now.

Lee
02-17-2003, 05:23 AM
Originally posted by Dr. Peedy
LOL...:).... now I have to wait for months and months before the Extended DVD version of The Two Towers comes out... :(

Hopefully, you don't have to wait until the 3rd LOTR movie come out.

I took a peek in to Lleyton's thread and read about fcap having problem with her English teacher. Base on her post (hopefully just bcos it's on internet), I have no doubt her teacher have problem with her English.

Puss-in-Boots
02-17-2003, 05:25 AM
LOL, I think she just types in a hurry...

Lee
02-17-2003, 05:25 AM
Originally posted by Leo7
yeah, it's smarter if he just stays in New Jersey for the time being. it's too dangerous on the roads right now.

does Vince have this week off? b/c most public schools in my area have a week for vacation now.

No, just tomorrow! (What a release) They don't have a week long break until late March but here school year ends at the end of May and has 2 1/2 months off during Summer.

Leo7
02-17-2003, 05:28 AM
Originally posted by Lee
No, just tomorrow! (What a release) They don't have a week long break until late March but here school year ends at the end of May and has 2 1/2 months off during Summer.

oh, okay. public schools around here usually get off june 22nd or something like that. they have a week off in february and a week off again in april.

Lee
02-17-2003, 05:28 AM
Originally posted by Dr. Peedy
LOL, I think she just types in a hurry...

I do worry they type/write like this. It's a very bad habit. My god-daughter does this too and I always try to fix her on this. When you get used to using misspelling words and wrong grammer, it's very difficult to fix.

Leo7
02-17-2003, 05:30 AM
I have to go to bed now. It's 1:30 in the morning where I am. goodnight DP and Lee! :wavey:

Puss-in-Boots
02-17-2003, 05:31 AM
LOL, I tend to be quite fastidious with my posts too.... I've edited posts to fix minor spelling errors in the past.. :o

I guess everyone has their own style.

Puss-in-Boots
02-17-2003, 05:31 AM
Navaer, Leo! Losto mae! :wavey:

(Farewell, Leo! Sleep well! :wavey: )

Lee
02-17-2003, 05:32 AM
Nitenite Leo! :wavey:

Lee
02-17-2003, 05:37 AM
Originally posted by Dr. Peedy
LOL, I tend to be quite fastidious with my posts too.... I've edited posts to fix minor spelling errors in the past.. :o


I did that too. That's a habit left behind from writing all those specifications and user manuals for customers. :rolleyes:

Lee
02-17-2003, 05:38 AM
Originally posted by Dr. Peedy
I guess everyone has their own style.

Unfortunately, the people grading their exam paper don't care about their own style or their boss/customers looking at their report don't care about their own style either.

Puss-in-Boots
02-17-2003, 05:39 AM
LOL... True I guess... both examiners did say that my thesis was very well written...so we fussy ones are lucky then!

Puss-in-Boots
02-17-2003, 05:41 AM
But in a sense I have a different style on the internet, compared to when I'm writing reports.... I do things like start sentences with 'but' :eek:... and I use "..." a LOT...

Lee
02-17-2003, 05:43 AM
Originally posted by Dr. Peedy
LOL... True I guess... both examiners did say that my thesis was very well written...so we fussy ones are lucky then!

It's not lucky. It's because it shows you paid attention and were serious toward your work. These count.

You will probably grading papers soon I guess. Would you prefer reading something I write to fcap? You want something expressed clearly or guessing what exactly the writer is writing?

Lee
02-17-2003, 05:47 AM
Originally posted by Dr. Peedy
But in a sense I have a different style on the internet, compared to when I'm writing reports.... I do things like start sentences with 'but' :eek:... and I use "..." a LOT...

I do too. I understand we are not writing reports here but there's some limit. Some of those posts are worse than Vince's writing and more difficult to understand too.

Puss-in-Boots
02-17-2003, 05:48 AM
I've graded math assignments for a few years now... and although it is less crucial to have good 'style' in math, it still makes a difference... some students indiscriminately use the '=' sign to connect all their lines, even if they're not equal. They've never heard of using 'thus', or 'hence', or defining their variables correctly :rolleyes: Then I get narky and look for excuses to deduct marks... LMAO... I am a mean grader, when I am grading I start from perfect and look for deductions. :p

Lee
02-17-2003, 05:49 AM
Anyway, too much ranting, grumbling and too serious! lol! What kind of sentence is this?

It's late here, Good night Allan! :wavey:

Lee
02-17-2003, 05:50 AM
Originally posted by Dr. Peedy
I've graded math assignments for a few years now... and although it is less crucial to have good 'style' in math, it still makes a difference... some students indiscriminately use the '=' sign to connect all their lines, even if they're not equal. They've never heard of using 'thus', or 'hence', or defining their variables correctly :rolleyes: Then I get narky and look for excuses to deduct marks... LMAO... I am a mean grader, when I am grading I start from perfect and look for deductions. :p

You are actually doing them a favour! Keep up your good work!;)

Puss-in-Boots
02-17-2003, 05:51 AM
:wavey: Lee! Good night! Navaer! :)

vaiva
02-17-2003, 09:31 AM
Hi thread! :wavey:

Oooh, I missed you so much! Don't even remember the last time I posted here. :o How everybody's doing? Maybe Emma is already a renowned sports writer? And Vince is already in college? Layla won the Best Horoscopes Writer 2002 award and bought a state-of-the-art software to do the job for her? Top 3 men on ATP are Marat, Juanqui and Roger? Top 10 on WTA are two Belgians and eight Russians? LOL, wishful thinking :o

I was overloaded with my translations and this trend is going to continue till summer or, even, till Christmas. Guess I'll be a rich bride by then. But who would want me with my dried brain :)

Now I'm gonna read a couple of pages back to see if I can enlighten you with my "intelligent thoughts".

Oh, feels good to be back here ;)

vaiva
02-17-2003, 09:43 AM
Amsterdam. The field is pretty strong and some very interesting 1st round matches! Marat is back to action :rolleyes: I wonder if it is not too early? Maybe not, he has injured his left wrist and I know he was already training last week. Anyways, he must reach his top form for the Davis Cup against Argentina. I am sure David N. already has some plans for revenge against Marat in front of his home crowd ;)

Oh, and congrats to Roger for lifting his 1st title of the year! :bounce: ;) :bounce:

My fav girls enjoyed much success last week and Nastia won her 3rd WTA title ;)

Originally posted by TennisHack
LOL, I love how they don't say a damn thing about Juanqui's match ;)

Media bias sometimes drives me mad :mad:. This morning I was looking for some pics of Nastia with trophy. Guess what, yahoo is loaded with Stefi & Agassi. Found only 1 pic of Nastia :fiery:. No pics with trophy, though. Some things just never change!

vaiva
02-17-2003, 09:49 AM
Originally posted by Layla
Actually, I remember someone posted an interview in the Muskateers thread where Seb talked about Christmas and how important it is. He described lovingly his daughter's excitement about the gifts. I don't remember the details because it was in French but it was very moving and warm. :)

NOOOO, Miller was extremely unlucky. He had a beautiful run up to that point, pure perfection. :hearts: And this is his fourth equipement malfunction this year. He lost his ski twice, broke his pole once and now he lost his pole. It's mind-boggling. :confused: He finished 6th in the end, no medal no. 4. :sad: And the Nazi Freak won! :fiery: :fiery: That's what I call Ivica Kostelic now. Fucking Nazi sympathizer!!! :mad: He didn't deserve this medal. I'm sill fuming about this slalom race. :o

Still, Miller was the King of St. Moritz with his 3 medals, two gold and one silver. :) Congrats Bode and thanks for everything! :kiss:

Why do you call him Nazi Freak, Layla :eek:

Anyways, Bode rulled these championships! Pity, that I was not able to follow it closely. Nevermind, congrats for his 3 medals!

I wish my biathlon faves were having similar success. It looks that Poiree struggles to find his form after his baby daughter was born :o. Btw, Layla, did you hear commentators say that his wife plans to return to competitive level some time in the future? The magnetism of sport! I'd love to see her back and competing :hearts:

vaiva
02-17-2003, 09:56 AM
Originally posted by TennisHack
LOL, yeah, the final would begin after I've given up and updated my website for next week's events :rolleyes:

I don't like Sanguinetti either, but I don't have a strong dislike for him. Mostly I can't stand Agassihole. It's going to be a sad state of affairs when he gets to #1. Then the top of both tours will be dominated by the most boring yet arrogant people in the world, with two of the nicest people bringing up spot #3 :fiery:

Hopefully Juan Carlos & Kim can kick it up a gear and ascend to their rightful places at the top!

No, I'm not bitter and/or frustrated. Whatever gave you that idea? :rolleyes:

I'm not a fan of Sanguinetti either and after watching his semifinal match against the other American I though how I miss Marat :o. That match was so dull really (maybe because neither of the players fascinated me) that I thought some WTA matches that week were more interesting and some girls were hitting with more power and thought (I do not meen VW).

BTW, TH, I consider Marat to be a very nice fellow as well. So could he share #3 spot with Juanqui before reaching the top? :p

vaiva
02-17-2003, 10:03 AM
Originally posted by Lee
Is it possible that "Marat" is a Muslim name cause his mom is a Muslim and Marat himself said he is a Muslim?

Yes, Marat indeed is a Muslim name. He says that he is a non-practising Muslim. He is not "purely" Russian as he has some Tartarian (?sp) background and his name, I believe, is pretty common in this ethnic group. The same probably applies to his sister Dinara as her name does not seem to be of Russian origin too.

vaiva
02-17-2003, 10:08 AM
I think I must switch to work now :o

Btw, I hope everybody is in good health. Last time I checked this thread Vera had some nasty pains in her arm and Lee was still struggling with her ankle. Did I get it right? I hope it's all history by now.

C u guys later :wavey:

Layla
02-17-2003, 10:11 AM
Hi Vaiva! :wavey:

Great to see you back! :D I was away from this place myself for a few days, because I was too busy (still am really). Your busy schedule will continue all the way to the summer of ever Christmas?!? :eek::eek::eek: Now that's truly horrible! :( I hope you find some opportunities for a break during that time. But it's true that the prospect of money is not negligible. ;)

LOL, I'm brain dead already and what's worse, no one has seen me since September, so the only way for me to be a bride is if I become a mail-order bride. :p

I can't wait until it's April, when hopefully I can relax a little. No just hopefully, I will insist on it.

Layla
02-17-2003, 10:20 AM
Originally posted by vaiva
Why do you call him Nazi Freak, Layla :eek:

Anyways, Bode rulled these championships! Pity, that I was not able to follow it closely. Nevermind, congrats for his 3 medals!

I wish my biathlon faves were having similar success. It looks that Poiree struggles to find his form after his baby daughter was born :o. Btw, Layla, did you hear commentators say that his wife plans to return to competitive level some time in the future? The magnetism of sport! I'd love to see her back and competing :hearts:

Oh, I hope I didn't just miss you. :(

I call him Nazi Freak because that's what he is. :mad: He let his true colors show. Both he and his father made some stupid remarks admiring the Nazi system and mentality and the international media picked up on it. Of course the media in Croatia never mentions the fiasco, but it was an international scandal. Ivica used to be my second fave but after I heard that I despise him from the bottom of my heart. He is one of those Croats that support and admire Tuðman, and his statements make it clear he is a Christian nationalist of the worst kind. In my eyes, his political views are beneath contempt and he should never have discussed them publicly.

Yes I heard about Liv Grete. :) I can't wait to see her back in action. :hearts: I heard she began to practice (just classic skiing) 5 days after giving birth. :eek: And it's no wonder Raphael's mind is elsewhere right now (he admitted it himself) but it's heartbreaking watching him miss those targets and ending the race out of top 30. :sad: I hope he gets his superb form from the beginnning of the season back.

ILR
02-17-2003, 10:23 AM
HI Layla and Vaiva if you are still around :wavey:

Nice to see you back here if only for a little while.:)

Layla
02-17-2003, 10:26 AM
Hi Emma! :wavey:

I'm still around but I should be working. ;) I wish I could see the match between Olivier Rochus and Stefan Koubek though. That is just the kind of match that would interest me greatly. I hope Olivier can pull through. :)

ILR
02-17-2003, 10:30 AM
No its a shame Im not a renowned sports writer yet Vaiva,give me time ;) and Layla Im not sure how much longer I can be here myself.I would also like to see Olivier win that one too :)

ILR
02-17-2003, 10:41 AM
Vera,you didnt keep me in suspense its OK Im still trying to think of something in which we can beat the Aussies :p Now Im thinking that rugby Union is the best bet!Better than the league score anyway :o

ILR
02-17-2003, 10:48 AM
actually come to think of it I'd better be going aswell because Im going to see my gran today and I have to get ready.Be back later tonight probably!

:wavey:

maratski
02-17-2003, 01:13 PM
Hi everyone :wavey:

I hope you all had a nice weekend. I took me quite some time to catch up. I'll leave the stuff about Iraq for what it is.


Lee Vaiva was right about what she said about Marat's name. I'm muslim myself, but have never heard of the name before. I know Murat and Mourad, but not Marat. I've found this name analysis of Marat:

Your first name of Marat has given you an expressive, diplomatic, and refined nature. Although you have a good appreciation of material values, business ability, and skill in organizing and managing others, your success is restricted by a lack of self-confidence and initiative. You have very expensive tastes, and your desires could well exceed your initiative in providing for them through your own efforts. Personal appearance is important to you. You are always well-groomed yourself, and you judge others by your own standard. You do not like to rough it or use much physical energy. Through your diplomatic ways you are able to call on the assistance of others to avoid such matters. You have good business judgment but lack the confidence to carry out your own ideas unless assisted by an associate. From a desire to eat too many rich foods, your health could suffer through kidney and generative troubles or any problems affecting the fluid functions of the body.


I don't know if it's correct.

There will really be some nice matches in Rotterdam. Federer-Enqvist in the 1st round. Safin- Kafelnikov is a possible 2nd round match.

I predict Escude and Tim will get far in this tournament as usual.

TennisHack
02-17-2003, 01:24 PM
Originally posted by Leo7
aww, everybody's gone.

well we're having a blizzard here in New Jersey. it's supposed to snow for at least another 24 hours. we will have 12 - 18 inches of snow by tomorrow night, maybe even 2 feet!! we haven't had a snow storm this bad since '96! :eek:

Oh, don't even get me started on snow storms :fiery: It snowed like hell yesterday and last night, there were warnings to stay off the roads because of the storm, it's fucking cold outside, yet --

Classes are still on.

And not only that, there's no hot water --

AGAIN.

(I bet this is one of those times you guys are glad its a message board.)

So this day has gotten off to a rousing start :rolleyes: But I'm still fucking pissed that the school didn't cancel class. Though I've heard the only way they'll ever cancel class is if we are literally snowed into the dorms.

TennisHack
02-17-2003, 01:29 PM
Originally posted by vaiva
Hi thread! :wavey:

Oooh, I missed you so much! Don't even remember the last time I posted here. :o How everybody's doing? Maybe Emma is already a renowned sports writer? And Vince is already in college? Layla won the Best Horoscopes Writer 2002 award and bought a state-of-the-art software to do the job for her? Top 3 men on ATP are Marat, Juanqui and Roger? Top 10 on WTA are two Belgians and eight Russians? LOL, wishful thinking :o

I was overloaded with my translations and this trend is going to continue till summer or, even, till Christmas. Guess I'll be a rich bride by then. But who would want me with my dried brain :)

Now I'm gonna read a couple of pages back to see if I can enlighten you with my "intelligent thoughts".

Oh, feels good to be back here ;)

LOL, welcome back, vaiva! We've missed you, too :)

TennisHack
02-17-2003, 01:35 PM
Well, a bit of good news for me at least: Jarkko won his first round match 6-4, 6-0 :eek:

RogiFan
02-17-2003, 01:55 PM
Originally posted by TennisHack
Well, a bit of good news for me at least: Jarkko won his first round match 6-4, 6-0 :eek:

Good win, Jarkko! I'm beginning to despair of Alex though... doesn't have any fight in him anymore... :(

So, will this be Juanqui's tournament??? He needs a win badly!

RogiFan
02-17-2003, 02:03 PM
Originally posted by vaiva
I'm not a fan of Sanguinetti either and after watching his semifinal match against the other American I though how I miss Marat :o. That match was so dull really (maybe because neither of the players fascinated me) that I thought some WTA matches that week were more interesting and some girls were hitting with more power and thought (I do not meen VW).

BTW, TH, I consider Marat to be a very nice fellow as well. So could he share #3 spot with Juanqui before reaching the top? :p

Hi Vaiva!

Be thankful you have a ton of work -- I have nothing these days! Anyway, I was just thinking how boring tennis is without players like Marat and Marcelo [who lost to Sanchez :rolleyes: ]! I miss Marat! Hope he's back to 100%.

I'm super happy about Rogi's win though -- finally someone good won a tournament this year... looks like otherwise only "nobodies" and AA -- YUK YUK!!! I don't like Sanguinetti either... he beat Rogi last yr in Milano.

Gotta run -- no water on our street today! ;)

maratski
02-17-2003, 02:28 PM
Roger looked really happy when he won yesterday. I saw a tiny bit of it on the sportsnews.
Coverage sucks in France if you don't have a satellite or something. I just have to wait for the fine coverage of RG.

Sjengster
02-17-2003, 02:41 PM
Originally posted by Ilhame
There will really be some nice matches in Rotterdam. Federer-Enqvist in the 1st round. Safin- Kafelnikov is a possible 2nd round match.

I predict Escude and Tim will get far in this tournament as usual.

Hmm, I'm not so sure of that; they're both struggling with injuries, and Tim's been given a rotten draw that consists of nothing but big servers and/or Croats for the first couple of rounds. Looking at Escude's first round, I do think it would be wonderfully ironic if, given that he is suffering from a thigh strain, his winning streak here in Rotterdam was ended by that marvellously gifted indoor player known as Albert Costa...

maratski
02-17-2003, 02:54 PM
I don't know how far Tim will get, but he deserves to win this tournament once. I think he reached the final 3 times by now.

vaiva
02-17-2003, 02:56 PM
Originally posted by Layla
Oh, I hope I didn't just miss you. :(

I call him Nazi Freak because that's what he is. :mad: He let his true colors show. Both he and his father made some stupid remarks admiring the Nazi system and mentality and the international media picked up on it. Of course the media in Croatia never mentions the fiasco, but it was an international scandal. Ivica used to be my second fave but after I heard that I despise him from the bottom of my heart. He is one of those Croats that support and admire Tuðman, and his statements make it clear he is a Christian nationalist of the worst kind. In my eyes, his political views are beneath contempt and he should never have discussed them publicly.

:eek: :rolleyes:

I've never heard of that scandal :o but some sportsmen should really never be asked any politically-related questions. Now I can only join you, Layla, in despise. And he never was my favourite Alpine skier. What about another family member? Does Janica share the same views? I hope not. I like watching her zigzaging through those slalom gates and admired her medal run in the combined slalom event where she seemed to be in real pain and could hardly walk after her second run.

It would be disappointing to learn that she also admires Nazis.

vaiva
02-17-2003, 03:02 PM
Originally posted by TennisHack
Oh, don't even get me started on snow storms :fiery: It snowed like hell yesterday and last night, there were warnings to stay off the roads because of the storm, it's fucking cold outside, yet --

Classes are still on.

And not only that, there's no hot water --

AGAIN.

(I bet this is one of those times you guys are glad its a message board.)

So this day has gotten off to a rousing start :rolleyes: But I'm still fucking pissed that the school didn't cancel class. Though I've heard the only way they'll ever cancel class is if we are literally snowed into the dorms.

I watched the news and now, I think, I can understand your frustration, TH. We had a very similar situation about 2 weeks ago (just that we had hot water at home ;)). The municipal workers were unable to clean at least the main streets in the city and driving was a real pain in soft place :o. Good thing is that it cannot snow forever. Bad thing is that snow has to melt and it cannot just disappear.

But why do you have to go to classes? On the news they said that all activities where canceled in those states exposed to heavy snowing and freezing temperatures? Or mayne you attend some Spartan school :confused:

vaiva
02-17-2003, 03:08 PM
Originally posted by Ilhame
Hi everyone :wavey:

I hope you all had a nice weekend. I took me quite some time to catch up. I'll leave the stuff about Iraq for what it is.


Lee Vaiva was right about what she said about Marat's name. I'm muslim myself, but have never heard of the name before. I know Murat and Mourad, but not Marat. I've found this name analysis of Marat:

Your first name of Marat has given you an expressive, diplomatic, and refined nature. Although you have a good appreciation of material values, business ability, and skill in organizing and managing others, your success is restricted by a lack of self-confidence and initiative. You have very expensive tastes, and your desires could well exceed your initiative in providing for them through your own efforts. Personal appearance is important to you. You are always well-groomed yourself, and you judge others by your own standard. You do not like to rough it or use much physical energy. Through your diplomatic ways you are able to call on the assistance of others to avoid such matters. You have good business judgment but lack the confidence to carry out your own ideas unless assisted by an associate. From a desire to eat too many rich foods, your health could suffer through kidney and generative troubles or any problems affecting the fluid functions of the body.


I don't know if it's correct.

There will really be some nice matches in Rotterdam. Federer-Enqvist in the 1st round. Safin- Kafelnikov is a possible 2nd round match.

I predict Escude and Tim will get far in this tournament as usual.

Hi Ilhame :wavey:

I know this might sound silly, but weren't you posting on Marat's forum while it was under Sergei's site? That name analysis rang some bell in my mind but I'm not sure if you are who I think you are, lol. Sounds even sillier than I initially thought :o

vaiva
02-17-2003, 03:17 PM
Originally posted by RogiFan
Hi Vaiva!

Be thankful you have a ton of work -- I have nothing these days! Anyway, I was just thinking how boring tennis is without players like Marat and Marcelo [who lost to Sanchez :rolleyes: ]! I miss Marat! Hope he's back to 100%.

I'm super happy about Rogi's win though -- finally someone good won a tournament this year... looks like otherwise only "nobodies" and AA -- YUK YUK!!! I don't like Sanguinetti either... he beat Rogi last yr in Milano.

Gotta run -- no water on our street today! ;)

RF! :wavey:

Would you volunteer to take some workload off me? Don't bother to answer! ust teasing :p 'cause I won't dare to expose you to all the crazy and horrible things I'm translating.

Rios lost to Sanzhez :rolleyes:. He just does not seem to be the same magician as he used to be. But when he gets himself together his game is pure pleasure for my eyes :drool:

Layla
02-17-2003, 03:17 PM
Originally posted by vaiva
:eek: :rolleyes:

I've never heard of that scandal :o but some sportsmen should really never be asked any politically-related questions. Now I can only join you, Layla, in despise. And he never was my favourite Alpine skier. What about another family member? Does Janica share the same views? I hope not. I like watching her zigzaging through those slalom gates and admired her medal run in the combined slalom event where she seemed to be in real pain and could hardly walk after her second run.

It would be disappointing to learn that she also admires Nazis.

I don't know about Janica because she's smart enough not to discuss politics with the media ;) so I'll give her the benefit of the doubt. I enjoy her skiing too and I quite like her feisty, no-nonsense personality. She's a perfect example of a determined Capricorn. :) And what she accomplished in skiing is out of this world. :eek:

As for her brother, I don't think they asked him a political question, he volunteered his pearls of wisdom himself. :rolleyes:

vaiva
02-17-2003, 03:20 PM
Originally posted by TennisHack
Well, a bit of good news for me at least: Jarkko won his first round match 6-4, 6-0 :eek:

And a bit of good news for Layla as O.Rochus also bt. Koubek 6-2 6-1 ;) Looks pretty one-sided affair from the score.

Layla
02-17-2003, 03:22 PM
TH, that's dreadful. They shouldn't force you to attend classes in such weather conditions. :fiery: I hope you end up having a lovely day inspite of its lousy beginning. :)

maratski
02-17-2003, 03:23 PM
Hi Vaiva

That's me. I used to post on the forum till Sergei closed it down. Now some of us are still on christine's forum. I don't know if you have ever visited it. Did you post at Sergei's forum too? I remember a girl named Vaiva from yugoslavia, but I don't think that was you, you're english is way too good for that.

Layla
02-17-2003, 03:24 PM
Originally posted by vaiva
And a bit of good news for Layla as O.Rochus also bt. Koubek 6-2 6-1 ;) Looks pretty one-sided affair from the score.

Yep, I'm definitely extremely happy! :D A little sorry for Koubek, but I really want Olivier to do well this year. :)

vaiva
02-17-2003, 03:26 PM
Originally posted by Layla
As for her brother, I don't think they asked him a political question, he volunteered his pearls of wisdom himself. :rolleyes:

OMG, that's even worse. Let's say we mentioned him in our thread twice at once: for the first and for the last time. There are other more exciting sportsmen with more acceptible attitudes to discuss. Like Frode Andresen who said he would jump from the ski-flying hill if he were to hit 20 out of 20 targets in Sunday's pursuit race. He missed one. Probably got scared of the mere thought of standing on top of the jumping platform ;)

vaiva
02-17-2003, 03:32 PM
Originally posted by Ilhame
Hi Vaiva

That's me. I used to post on the forum till Sergei closed it down. Now some of us are still on christine's forum. I don't know if you have ever visited it. Did you post at Sergei's forum too? I remember a girl named Vaiva from yugoslavia, but I don't think that was you, you're english is way too good for that.

Oh, I'm glad I got it right. ;)

No, I did not go to christine's forum. Somehow I got upset with all the situation back then, posted my farewell letter and best wishes for the girls on the old forum and decided to stay away from drooling over poor Marat or reading questions about his personal life :D.

I hope you'll enjoy posting here as well :wavey:

Layla
02-17-2003, 03:34 PM
Originally posted by vaiva
OMG, that's even worse. Let's say we mentioned him in our thread twice at once: for the first and for the last time. There are other more exciting sportsmen with more acceptible attitudes to discuss. Like Frode Andresen who said he would jump from the ski-flying hill if he were to hit 20 out of 20 targets in Sunday's pursuit race. He missed one. Probably got scared of the mere thought of standing on top of the jumping platform ;)

Agreed. :) LOL @ Frode. I almost choked with laughter when I heard that. I bet he missed that one one purpose. ;) Still, he never hits 19 out of 20! :eek: Maybe that was just the motivational talk he needed. :)

And we can also talk about a very down-to-earth and friendly (at least that's how he appears) Frode Estil, who finished 2nd in the 15-km classic race, right after Veerpalu, whom I also like. :) Do you have any idea why Alsgaard changed his mind about competing? :( He's in a dreadful form. :sad: He has asthma and all sorts of allergies but when told he would have to give up his dog in order to save his career, he flat out refused. :)

vaiva
02-17-2003, 03:48 PM
Originally posted by Layla
Agreed. :) LOL @ Frode. I almost choked with laughter when I heard that. I bet he missed that one one purpose. ;) Still, he never hits 19 out of 20! :eek: Maybe that was just the motivational talk he needed. :)

And we can also talk about a very down-to-earth and friendly (at least that's how he appears) Frode Estil, who finished 2nd in the 15-km classic race, right after Veerpalu, whom I also like. :) Do you have any idea why Alsgaard changed his mind about competing? :( He's in a dreadful form. :sad: He has asthma and all sorts of allergies but when told he would have to give up his dog in order to save his career, he flat out refused. :)

Yes, Frode really seems to be a lovable person. I wish him all the best in the champs (can you believe they start tomorrow :eek: ).

As a fellow dog-lover :D I can partially understand why he did that. Really. Giving up my dog would mean the same as staying away from a family member (no joking). That's the irrational part. On the other hand, I would probably give my career the priority if I had to choose between the two (or else me and my dog would both starve to death if I were not working).

So he changed his mind? This means what: he is in or out :o I really lost track of some sporting events (but promised myself to find time to watch the skiing champs).

Layla
02-17-2003, 03:57 PM
Originally posted by vaiva
Yes, Frode really seems to be a lovable person. I wish him all the best in the champs (can you believe they start tomorrow :eek: ).

As a fellow dog-lover :D I can partially understand why he did that. Really. Giving up my dog would mean the same as staying away from a family member (no joking). That's the irrational part. On the other hand, I would probably give my career the priority if I had to choose between the two (or else me and my dog would both starve to death if I were not working).

So he changed his mind? This means what: he is in or out :o I really lost track of some sporting events (but promised myself to find time to watch the skiing champs).

No, I mean he pulled out of that 15-km race that Veerpalu won. His bib number was 2 and he never showed up. The commentators said they saw him on the grounds signing autograhps. :confused: I'm not sure if he's part of the Norwegian team for the championships. His form certainly doesn't justify it. :sad:

Oh I completely understand about not wanting to give up the dog. They've been together a long time and since he's single, he must be very much attached to her. He is at the end of his career anyway so I don't think it was a financial consideration at all. ;) I'm sure he can find something else to do besides competing. He likes to play guitar for instance. Maybe he could become a rock star. :cool:

maratski
02-17-2003, 04:02 PM
JC is my 2nd fave after Marat Vaiva so I'll stick around here.

:wavey: everyone I think I'll call it a day. It was another day at the office totally dedicated to the internet. My boss is abroad and he hasn't told me yet what my exact function is so there's nothing to do.

Layla
02-17-2003, 04:06 PM
Bye Ilhame! :wavey:

LOL lucky you! How long will your boss stay abroad?

maratski
02-17-2003, 04:17 PM
He left last tuesday and was coming back the next day, but so far I haven't seen him. His plans change by the minute.

Layla
02-17-2003, 04:21 PM
Hmmm, a mysterious boss. :eek: Maybe he's enjoying himself in Hawaii or something. ;)

Layla
02-17-2003, 04:22 PM
For TH, from the official site. :)


Nieminen comfortably Corretja: 6-4 6-0

Jarkko Nieminen has started the tournament exceptionally well, comfortably beating Alex Corretja. Unlike his Spanish opponent, the Finn found his rhythm almost immediately. Nieminen’s service games were convincing and his ground strokes solid. In contrast, Corretja ran into difficulties as early as his second service game. Having taken a 5-2 lead, the Finn lost his next service game, but comfortably took the first set 6-4.

"The match went my way almost from the outset," explains Nieminen, who ranks 35th in the world. "I didn’t expect Corretja to miss quite as many shots as he did. The second set was not much better in this respect."

Corretja again lost his service during the opening game of the second set. Although Nieminen went 0-30 down during his next service game, he produced some solid serves to go 2-0 up. His opponent appeared to throw in the towel at this stage. The Spaniard, who has only played in the Australian Open (a match he lost to Lopez) made too many mistakes and handed the second set to an exceptionally confident opponent (6-0).

"I remember losing five consecutive first round matches last year. This year, I have managed to win several matches in succession" said the Finn, who next faces either Verkerk or Sluiter. He played both Dutchmen during last year’s Davis Cup match: "I lost to Sluiter, but managed to beat Verkerk, even though my victory came too late in the day to change the final result. I would like to see if I can level the score with Sluiter".

Leo7
02-17-2003, 04:54 PM
Krasnoroutskaya takes new step towards reviving career
2003-02-17 17:40:57 GMT (Reuters)

DUBAI, Feb 17 (Reuters) - Lina Krasnoroutskaya beat Adriana Serra Zanetti 6-3 6-0 at the Dubai Open on Monday, taking another step towards re-establishing a career that had appeared wrecked by an ankle injury.

The Russian, who reached the Doha semi-finals last week, took just 61 minutes to breeze past her Italian opponent.

Krasnoroutskaya, who was junior U.S. Open and world champion in 1999, reached the quarter-finals of the 2001 French Open at the age of 17.

But last year, when playing Conchita Martinez in the first round of the Australian Open, she sprained her left ankle so badly that she was sidelined for months and thought she might never play again.

"When the people are telling you that the injury is so bad they tell you that the worst time is when you're starting to practise again and you see you've lost everything.

"But for me the worst time was right after the hospital, because no one really knew what it was," Krasnoroutskaya, now ranked 72nd in the world, said.

"I thought I wasn't going to play again after that...but I have very good friends who talked to me and spent almost 24 hours a day with me telling me that...everything was going to come back. It was very hard for me to understand because everything was hurting me so much," she said.

"Now I finally have the feeling I can get back higher than the ranking I had before, which was 34. It was really, really hard, and I would never wish what happened to me to happen to anybody else," she added.

Since making a tentative comeback in August, and despite suffering a sprained left knee in Bali a few weeks later, Krasnoroutskaya has continued to climb the rankings.

In the other matches on the opening day, Francesca Schiavone of Italy defeated Russia's Tatiana Panova 6-4 6-0, and 17-year-old Russian Svetlana Kuznetsova saved a set point on her way to beating Iva Majoli of Croatia 7-6 (7-2) 6-2.

World number two Venus Williams withdrew from the tournament last Friday, announcing that she was rearranging her schedule. But the $585,000 event still boasts a field that includes world number four Justine Henin-Hardenne, sixth-ranked Jennifer Capriati, number seven Amelie Mauresmo and 11th-ranked Monica Seles.

The top four seeds received a bye into the second round.

Good Luck, Lina!! :bounce:

RogiFan
02-17-2003, 05:04 PM
Originally posted by Ilhame
Roger looked really happy when he won yesterday. I saw a tiny bit of it on the sportsnews.
Coverage sucks in France if you don't have a satellite or something. I just have to wait for the fine coverage of RG.

Hi Ilhame!

Ah... I wish I could see Rogi's smiling face when he wins!! That's nice! I only was him on the Telematin sports news this morning... that's all we got here! Still waiting to see if they reported his win on the Swiss news... so far only St-Moritz and Alinghi!

Lunchtime!;)

Hi ILR -- see you later?

Leo7
02-17-2003, 05:04 PM
Well school was cancelled for me tomorrow b/c of the blizzard. 4 day weekend!! :bounce:

RogiFan
02-17-2003, 05:06 PM
Originally posted by Leo7
Well school was cancelled for me tomorrow b/c of the blizzard. 4 day weekend!! :bounce:

I was thinking about you Leo!

We have escaped that storm... so far anyway but it's getting warmer... only -17 C today!! But cloudy! ;)

Lee:

If you're around, I loved your comment re: Haas being the "shallow" side of you!! lol!!!! very funny! It's true -- he's just a sunnyboy!;)

Mrs. B
02-17-2003, 05:07 PM
:wavey: Hi, Leo!!!!!!!

You can makes loads of snowmen outside your home! :D

Hi Guys! :wavey: It's minus 5 degrees centigrade here in Bern. Sometimes i wished i stayed longer in the islands...

Mrs. B
02-17-2003, 05:11 PM
We have escaped that storm... so far anyway but it's getting warmer... only -17 C today!! But cloudy!

hehe, that's warm, eh? Nina would say the same for Moscow. I miss my island weather! :(

ILR
02-17-2003, 05:22 PM
:wavey:

anybody here now?Thought Id come back now coz I decided to make a huge revision book and colour code it and stuff and it looks great and is really helpful,Ive been doing it since 3pm lol.

Mrs. B
02-17-2003, 05:29 PM
Hi, Emma! :wavey:

How u doin? Haven't been here in a while. I'm done with ironing and hubby won't be home early...i can sit on the pc till my eyes burn! ;)

ILR
02-17-2003, 05:31 PM
Hi Mrs.B! :wavey:

Well Im doing really good at the moment Im off school all week being one reason!:D and of course Rogi winning that just tops it off.Speaking of which I think its about time I left another message on official site ;) How are you?

Mrs. B
02-17-2003, 05:45 PM
I'm good, but i'm bored. I can hardly wait for spring then at least i have something to keep me real busy, otherwise i'm just hanging around here doing housework. Being a housewife. I haven't even been to an indoor tennis court, so my form of exercise is going up and down the staircase!

Yeah, happy for Rogi with that win in Marseille. Hope he'll win more tournaments this year. *keeps fingers crossed* :)

ILR
02-17-2003, 06:10 PM
sorry I took so long my best friend phoned me up then my mouse froze on my computer dammit!:mad:

Bored huh Im a little bored but I have all night to do as I please :) and of course fingers crossed :D

vaiva
02-17-2003, 06:12 PM
I'm off my pc for today

c u :wavey:

ILR
02-17-2003, 06:20 PM
:wavey: Vaiva

nice to see you have posted again :)

TennisHack
02-17-2003, 06:26 PM
Hey, guys :wavey:

Wel, my college finally came to its senses and cancelled classes . . . at 12:45 this afternoon :rolleyes: No mind to the fact that there's at least a foot of snow on the ground, the streets were probably paved at 5 am this morning and not since, and its STILL snowing. I seriously waded to work this morning, and to my classes before someone told me that they had cancelled them.

The only reason they didn't cancel class earlier, I suspect, is because it's a prospective student visiting weekend.

Not only is our model UN team stuck in Boston (they left last Thursday), but the airports across the state are officially shut down and I believe they are telling people not to drive unless necessary.

It's quite fun being in a snow storm if you don't have to trek a mile to class :D

ILR
02-17-2003, 06:29 PM
:wavey: Hackie

Wow snowing again and enough for classes to be cancelled.I hope we dont get all that snow because after the tiniest bit of snow jammed up our motorways god help us if we get blizzards :rolleyes: now a little I can handle ;)

TennisHack
02-17-2003, 06:34 PM
Originally posted by vaiva
But why do you have to go to classes? On the news they said that all activities where canceled in those states exposed to heavy snowing and freezing temperatures? Or mayne you attend some Spartan school :confused:

Like I said, I suspect the only reason classes were still on was because it was prospy weekend. Though the sheer number of professors who couldn't make it in today should have given them some clue, because I'm out in the middle of fucking nowhere and the professors who don't live right on the edge of campus have to drive.

It's a small school, a "residential campus" where almost all students (I'm talking 99.99%) live on campus and walk or ride a bike to class. And they did plow the streets and sidewalks -- at 5 am, and like I said, it's still snowing outside now and has been snowing since I got up this morning.

I'm just pissed because I only missed one class as opposed to the whole day. Just glad I didn't have an 8 o'clock ;)

Layla
02-17-2003, 06:35 PM
Bye Vaiva! :wavey: It was a pleasure talking to you again. :)

Hi TH, Mrs. B, Emma, RogiFan, Leo! :wavey:

All you luck people with no work to do! :p I truly envy you. ;) Hope you're enjoying your time off. :)

ILR
02-17-2003, 06:37 PM
:wavey: Hi Layla

are you still working?:( I suggest you take another break ;)

TennisHack
02-17-2003, 06:39 PM
Originally posted by Layla
For TH, from the official site. :)

Thanks! :)


"I remember losing five consecutive first round matches last year. This year, I have managed to win several matches in succession" said the Finn, who next faces either Verkerk or Sluiter. He played both Dutchmen during last year’s Davis Cup match: "I lost to Sluiter, but managed to beat Verkerk, even though my victory came too late in the day to change the final result. I would like to see if I can level the score with Sluiter".

Jarkko is doing exceptionally well this year, I'm very, very proud of him *beams* I remember that DC vs the Netherlands last year, and he was the only one who managed to win a match. If he draws Sluiter I think he'll be able to even the score ;)

Go go Jarkko! :bounce::bounce:

TennisHack
02-17-2003, 06:45 PM
Oh, pfft, I have stuff to do, but am just happy to be hanging around here. It's actually not very cold outside. I definitely got the storm that Leo got, but I guess we are a bit more resilient than you Jersey folks, LOL ;)

They probably won't cancel classes two days in a row, but I sure wish they would. Especially if it keeps snowing.

Thanks for the article on Lina, Leo! :) It's soooo nice to have her back!.

Hi Mrs. B, RF, Layla :wavey:

ILR
02-17-2003, 06:48 PM
yes hi Hackie ;)

maybe they will cancel 2 days in a row,never say never!Now wouldnt that be fun ;)

Mrs. B
02-17-2003, 06:49 PM
Hi Layla & Hackie! :wavey:

Hubby just came in so now it's dinner...be right back! ;)