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Main Draw (updated 1/1/07)

case
12-30-2006, 03:19 AM
Main draw elimination:
http://www.atptennis.com/1/posting/2007/339/mde.pdf

VASSALLO ARGUELLO, Martin vs. (WC) LUCZAK, Peter=ME1
DANCEVIC, Frank vs. (Q) Baccanello, Paul=ME2
DEL POTRO, Juan Martin vs. (Q) Soeda, Go=ME3
DELIC, Amer vs. (WC) GUCCIONE, Chris=ME4
KUNITSYN, Igor vs. (Q) Moodie, Wesley=ME5
DLOUHY, Lukas vs. JOHANSSON, Joachim=ME6
KOROLEV, Evgeny vs. (Q) Healey, Nathan=ME7
MULLER, Gilles vs. (WC) JONES, Alun=ME8

Main draw singles:
http://www.atptennis.com/1/posting/2007/339/mds.pdf

Group 1:
[1] Djokovic, Novak SRB
Hajek, Jan CZE
ME8=(WC) JONES, Alun AUS

Group 2:
[5] Hrbaty, Dominik SVK
Goldstein, Paul USA
ME1=(WC) LUCZAK, Peter AUS

Group 3:
[3] Stepanek, Radek CZE
Spadea, Vincent USA
ME7=KOROLEV, Evgeny RUS

Group 4:
[7] Simon, Gilles FRA
Serra, Florent FRA
ME6=JOHANSSON, Joachim SWE

Group 5:
[8] Mathieu, Paul-Henri FRA
Hernych, Jan CZE
ME3=DEL POTRO, Juan Martin ARG

Group 6:
[4] Hewitt, Lleyton AUS
Tipsarevic, Janko SRB
ME5=KUNITSYN, Igor RUS

Group 7:
[6] Clement, Arnaud FRA
Becker, Benjamin GER
ME4=(WC) GUCCIONE, Chris AUS

Group 8:
[2] Gasquet, Richard FRA
Mayer, Florian GER
ME2= DANCEVIC, Frank CAN

Finals Round:
Winner Group 1 vs. Winner Group 2

Winner Group 3 vs. Winner Group 4

Winner Group 5 vs. Winner Group 6

Winner Group 7 vs. Winner Group 8

Voo de Mar
12-30-2006, 03:24 AM
Bad draw for Hewitt as well - probably will play in the 2nd RR match against J.Johansson :)

Vinceten
12-30-2006, 03:38 AM
that'S not the entire draw..where is the other part? Is it publish yet or it will be done later??

Voo de Mar
12-30-2006, 03:52 AM
:haha: probably should include this mess (the main draw elimination round!)
http://www.atptennis.com/en/common/TrackIt.asp?file=http://www.atptennis.com/1/posting/2007/339/MDE.pdf

For the 1st time in the history of 32-draw events could be a player from the main draw with 6 winning matches :D

case
12-30-2006, 03:53 AM
that'S not the entire draw..where is the other part? Is it publish yet or it will be done later??

:haha: i assume its all a part of the rr fun. :confused: :rolleyes: :eek:
look at the mde. Not that it helped me all that much... :banghead:
but i hope others here will understand it.

lleytonluver2005
12-30-2006, 04:20 AM
am i the only person that doesn't understand this draw

case
12-30-2006, 04:24 AM
am i the only person that doesn't understand this draw


i dont get any of it. :sad:
that mde is bizarre.

Andre♥
12-30-2006, 04:30 AM
It's the new round robin system... :mad:

Lee
12-30-2006, 04:36 AM
The top 16 players in the entry list goes into the RR automatically.

The remaining 16 players, including 9 from the entry list, 4 from qualifying and 3 WCs (I believe) will be in the MDE, a one match playoff. 8 players from the MDE will join the 16 players already in RR groups.

TMJordan
12-30-2006, 05:13 AM
I really dislike this new format.

Kat!
12-30-2006, 06:25 AM
(Not looking at this at any detail) but I am so confused.... thanks ATP!

Fee
12-30-2006, 06:28 AM
Oh dear Goddess... this is just ridiculous. This is not going to help the casual tennis fan in any way. Those draws look more complicated than a Geometry exam. What a joke.

Wojtek
12-30-2006, 07:09 AM
Main Draw Elimination

Martin Vassallo Arguello (ARG) vs. Peter Luczak (AUS-WC)
Frank Dancevic (CAN) vs. q

Juan Martin Del Porto (ARG) vs. q
Amer Delic (USA) vs. [WC] Chris Guccione (AUS)

Igor Kunitsyn (RUS) vs. q
Lukas Dlouhy (CZE) vs. Joachim Johansson (SWE)

Evgeny Korolev vs. q.
Gilles Muller vs. [WC] Alun Jones (AUS)

aussie_fan
12-30-2006, 07:09 AM
Yeah, RR format is crap, this might further explain why.

Ok draws for the aussies. Hewitt should get to the quarters, and i think there is a chance of at least one or two of the wildcard aussies to get to RR round.

Xristos
12-30-2006, 07:27 AM
Isnt Ginepri in this?

Langers
12-30-2006, 08:23 AM
Wow, talk about confusing. :eek:

Blue Heart24
12-30-2006, 08:55 AM
I hate Round Robin.

Horatio Caine
12-30-2006, 08:59 AM
What the hell is that? :scratch: :eek:

...and why isn't the main draw elimination thingy on that sheet as well? :rolleyes:

Via
12-30-2006, 09:05 AM
i understand it, but that must be because i have spent hours and hours reading and talking about RR in the past few months :rolleyes:

still i cannot predict when my fav will be playing according to this draw. so what's the point of seeing it up front?

Iza
12-30-2006, 09:11 AM
Gilles vs. Flo :(

Via
12-30-2006, 09:36 AM
Gilles vs. Flo :(

they are likely to get pim pim for a group mate too

Gamas
12-30-2006, 09:48 AM
Joachim Johansson in the group with gilles simon and florent serra?

Via
12-30-2006, 09:50 AM
It is being treated like the Final round of Qualies so is on the Qualy Draw.

yup, those last 8 guys on the main entry are now like privileged qualifiers who enjoy two byes! :lol:

Via
12-30-2006, 09:53 AM
Joachim Johansson in the group with gilles simon and florent serra?

either johansson or dlouhy, code name ME 6, is in the same group.

muniu
12-30-2006, 10:17 AM
I love RR :)
I don't understand you :/
It's smth new.Why all ppls hate it. tournament will start tmrw.Let's see it, then we talk about it!
pzdr600:wavey:

Action Jackson
12-30-2006, 10:28 AM
Hahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahaha, I love the ATP.

scarecrows
12-30-2006, 10:31 AM
haha, hilarious

I will have trouble following the draws now

Action Jackson
12-30-2006, 10:34 AM
This reminds me of when people buy a CD single, and it includes the radio version, the extended version, the remix of the radio version, the digitalised edited remix of the extended version of all of the same product.

nobama
12-30-2006, 10:39 AM
It is being treated like the Final round of Qualies so is on the Qualy Draw.


What no one has publicised is the order of Play for round Robin

1 The two lower ranked players play Match 1

2 The Seed then Plays the LOSER of match one

3 This means that if the seed loses a match he is GUARANTEED to have another chance!!!!That is wrong on so many levels. :mad: Is this for all RR events or just this event?

MATTHIAS
12-30-2006, 11:25 AM
it is like 2 stages of qualifiyng - then RR - and then from QF on

crazy, i understand it - but the ATP worked hard to make it complicated as possible

v__m
12-30-2006, 11:29 AM
for example in RR


in case of tied .... the 3 players finish with 1 wins and 1 loss


who is pass to next stage ????



tkx

MrExcel
12-30-2006, 11:43 AM
for example in RR


in case of tied .... the 3 players finish with 1 wins and 1 loss


who is pass to next stage ????



tkx


http://www.atptennis.com/en/news/2007/round_robin3.asp

*Ljubica*
12-30-2006, 11:52 AM
OK - call me a brainless blonde bimbo if you will - but I do not understand this at all :sad:

gusman890
12-30-2006, 11:52 AM
wow, this is REALLY pathetic.

Can't the ATP make a system that was tottally understandable for every humanbeing out there. God, even my 7 year old brother could understand the tradtional format w/ byes and withdraws, LL and WC.

But this is crazyy.

Super-Fabio
12-30-2006, 11:57 AM
Good luck Benny :yeah:

Grofica
12-30-2006, 11:59 AM
there must some nerd working for ATP!! because this complicated system can't be made by normal person :haha:

v__m
12-30-2006, 12:08 PM
http://www.atptennis.com/en/news/2007/round_robin3.asp

thanks :worship:

MrExcel
12-30-2006, 12:26 PM
test

Funny... That sums up this entire topic

NicoFan
12-30-2006, 12:35 PM
I'm so glad no one else understands, because I'm totally and completely lost.

First you need a math degree to understand the rankings system and now....this. :sad:

Maya_4
12-30-2006, 12:43 PM
OK I AM SOOOOOO:mad: RIGHT NOW!
I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS STUPED ROUND ROBIN:mad:
BUT ANYWAY
GO DJOKOVIC:worship:

Sommarsverige
12-30-2006, 01:00 PM
I am also completely lost and don´t understand anything...???

For example I don´t understand: when I open the draw on the atp site, Pim Pim isn´t mentionned there??? Why that??? He is playing the tournament!

I hate Round Robin!

Sbandierator ITA
12-30-2006, 01:11 PM
Not very difficult.

For exemple, Stoppini won the first match. If he wins the second in quali, go against or Dancevic, or Del Potro, or other two players to go into the 24 players draw.

In the main draw he has to play two matches and if he win the group he goes to quarter final. Than the lasts three matches to win the tournament.

To win for a qualifier it needs 8 matches.
For a player into the main draw 5 matcches.

For a player into the qualifying round 6 matches ( the only difference between this and the traditional format )

Emilie85
12-30-2006, 01:14 PM
Oh dear Goddess... this is just ridiculous. This is not going to help the casual tennis fan in any way. Those draws look more complicated than a Geometry exam. What a joke.

I agree... :rolleyes:

*Ljubica*
12-30-2006, 01:17 PM
So can someone explain to me ..... if Del Potro wins his first match against a qualifier - who does he play next? And is there a link to show which part of the main draw players like him and Korolev will end up in? OK - sorry if I sound stupid - I just really don't get it at all :shrug:

Klaas_nalbandian
12-30-2006, 01:21 PM
Good Luck to Frank, Juan Martin and Joachim in the first round (elimination round)

Scotso
12-30-2006, 02:13 PM
What a joke.

:wavey: tennis. :sad:

Scotso
12-30-2006, 02:16 PM
good luck: (?)

Novak Djokovic :worship:
Dominik Hrbaty :D
Paul Goldstein :worship:
Vince Spadea
Gilles Simon :worship:
Paul-Henri Mathieu :D
Jan Hernych
Lleyton Hewitt
Janko Tipsarevic :D
Arnaud Clement
Benjamin Becker :D
Richard Gasquet
Peter Luczak :D
Frank Dancevic :D
Amer Delic
Igor Kunitsyn :worship: :hearts:
Joachim Johansson
Evgeny Korolev

Sbandierator ITA
12-30-2006, 02:20 PM
So can someone explain to me ..... if Del Potro wins his first match against a qualifier - who does he play next? And is there a link to show which part of the main draw players like him and Korolev will end up in? OK - sorry if I sound stupid - I just really don't get it at all :shrug:

JMDP if wins he will be ME3, and he will play against Mathieu and Hernych

If one seeded player win the two matches, the third of the group ha no sense and no-utility.

For Example :

MATHIEU - Hernych 64 64
MATHIEU - Del Potro 64 64

The match Del Potro - Hernych has non sense. They are eliminated and their match is played for nothing !!!

case
12-30-2006, 02:36 PM
The match Del Potro - Hernych has non sense. They are eliminated and their match is played for nothing !!!


:haha: i bet Del Potro and Hernych would love that-not to mention the fans.:rolleyes: maybe they would walk over :bolt:

im sure we would all understand the rr, but the point is that tennis is entertainment and most fans DON'T WANT to have to study rules for an hour.
Just let the players hit the ball and have a winner- not a maybe winner or loser.

Pea
12-30-2006, 02:38 PM
I wonder if half the players even understand this format.

Whatever, go Janko!!! Take Lleyton out.;)

Raquel
12-30-2006, 02:51 PM
Hopefully we'll all understand it and get used to it more as each event is played, but it does look a bit of a mess. And I still dont like the idea of players maybe not giving their all and losing a match, but still conceivably winning the event.

Anyway, good luck Lleyton. Big event for Lleyton playing at home and wanting to have a big Australian season. I hope he wins, and would love it even more if despite winning he criticised the format.

Good luck Florian too ;)

scoobs
12-30-2006, 02:57 PM
Does this help anyone?

Adelaide Draw:

Main Draw Elimination Round

VASALLO ARGUELLO, Martin vs (wc) LUCZAK, Peter [ME1]
DANCEVIC, Frank vs Q [ME2]
DEL POTRO, Juan Martin vs Q [ME3]
DELIC, Amer vs (wc) GUCCIONE, Chris [ME4]
KUNITSYN, Igor vs Q [ME5]
DLOUHY, Lukas vs JOHANSSON, Joachim [ME6]
KOROLEV, Evgeny vs Q [ME7]
MULLER, Gilles vs (wc) JONES, Alun [ME8]

RRG1
DJOKOVIC, Novak [1]
HAJEK, Jan
ME8

RRG2
HRBATY, Dominik [5]
GOLDSTEIN, Paul
ME1

RRG3
STEPANEK, Radek [3]
SPADEA, Vincent
ME7

RRG4
SIMON, Gilles [7]
SERRA, Florent
ME6

RRG5
MATHIEU, Paul Henri [8]
HERNYCH, Jan
ME3

RRG6
HEWITT, Lleyton [4]
TIPSAREVIC, Janko
ME5

RRG7
CLEMENT, Arnaud [6]
BECKER, Benjamin
ME4

RRG6
GASQUET, Richard [2]
MAYER, Florian
ME2

Elimination stages, from QF

WG1 vs WG2
WG3 vs WG4
WG5 vs WG6
WG7 vs WG8

Not exactly low-maintenance, is it?

Horatio Caine
12-30-2006, 03:06 PM
This reminds me of when people buy a CD single, and it includes the radio version, the extended version, the remix of the radio version, the digitalised edited remix of the extended version of all of the same product.

:haha: :haha: I just stick with the radio edit all the time :tape:

trulliscorpion
12-30-2006, 03:09 PM
Meh, this whole thing is so damn simple, what's the complicated thing about this? I think the whole group thing on the World Cups is a lot more complex.

Why not post the groups like this:

RRG1
DJOKOVIC, Novak [1]
HAJEK, Jan
MULLER, Gilles vs JONES, Alun

RRG2
HRBATY, Dominik [5]
GOLDSTEIN, Paul
VASSALO ARGUELLO, Martin vs LUCZAK, Peter

Simple and makes things a lot easier. The person reading it would know it's a group between the top 2 guys and the winner of the match below.

I'm in good spirits towards this RR thing. It seems more fair and more interesting, and I simply cannot see what's so complicated. Unlike what appears to be the common thing on humanity, I don't reject what I don't know. I prefer to take a look at it first before judging it negatively.

CooCooCachoo
12-30-2006, 03:09 PM
Geaux Kunitsyn :dance:

Action Jackson
12-30-2006, 03:09 PM
Does this help anyone?

Adelaide Draw:

Main Draw Elimination Round

VASALLO ARGUELLO, Martin vs (wc) LUCZAK, Peter [ME1]
DANCEVIC, Frank vs Q [ME1]
DEL POTRO, Juan Martin vs Q [ME3]
DELIC, Amer vs (wc) GUCCIONE, Chris [ME4]
KUNITSYN, Igor vs Q [ME5]
DLOUHY, Lukas vs JOHANSSON, Joachim [ME6]
KOROLEV, Evgeny vs Q [ME7]
MULLER, Gilles vs (wc) JONES, Alun [ME8]

RRG1
DJOKOVIC, Novak [1]
HAJEK, Jan
ME8

RRG2
HRBATY, Dominik [5]
GOLDSTEIN, Paul
ME1

RRG3
STEPANEK, Radek [3]
SPADEA, Vincent
ME7

RRG4
SIMON, Gilles [7]
SERRA, Florent
ME6

RRG5
MATHIEU, Paul Henri [8]
HERNYCH, Jan
ME3

RRG6
HEWITT, Lleyton [4]
TIPSAREVIC, Janko
ME5

RRG7
CLEMENT, Arnaud [6]
BECKER, Benjamin
ME4

RRG6
GASQUET, Richard [2]
MAYER, Florian
ME2

Elimination stages, from QF

WG1 vs WG2
WG3 vs WG4
WG5 vs WG6
WG7 vs WG8

Not exactly low-maintenance, is it?

Well explained, but it's still rubbish the format.

CooCooCachoo
12-30-2006, 03:11 PM
Meh, this whole thing is so damn simple, what's the complicated thing about this? I think the whole group thing on the World Cups is a lot more complex.

Why not post the groups like this:

RRG1
DJOKOVIC, Novak [1]
HAJEK, Jan
MULLER, Gilles vs JONES, Alun

RRG2
HRBATY, Dominik [5]
GOLDSTEIN, Paul
VASSALO ARGUELLO, Martin vs LUCZAK, Peter

Simple and makes things a lot easier. The person reading it would know it's a group between the top 2 guys and the winner of the match below.

I'm in good spirits towards this RR thing. It seems more fair and more interesting, and I simply cannot see what's so complicated. Unlike what appears to be the common thing on humanity, I don't reject what I don't know. I prefer to take a look at it first before judging it negatively.

Yeah, it is not that complex. But now qualifying looks like a pre-qualifying event :shrug: I don't like the fact that certain players are already in the groups. It's a very unfair system.

case
12-30-2006, 03:20 PM
Does this help anyone?

Not exactly low-maintenance, is it?


:wavey: thanks.

dancevic is me2, and gasquet is group 8. :haha: At least i think so:shrug:with rr u never know

case
12-30-2006, 03:23 PM
But now qualifying looks like a pre-qualifying event :shrug: .

exactly. hadnt thought of it that way before and you're right.

Metis
12-30-2006, 04:14 PM
Does this help anyone?


Thank for the explanation scoobsuk.

I am still disappointed that there is no RR in the doubles though. :silly:

Hrastar
12-30-2006, 04:41 PM
Guys...guys...it's not sooo complicated.

There are still three rounds of qualifications, but instead of coming into the main draw, the player comes into the group of RR system. But I understand your anger, I hate this system as well. As someone already said...I cannot wait for the momment, when those people realise how stupid this is!

:wavey:

Sbandierator ITA
12-30-2006, 04:51 PM
Me too !!!

I think it's not complicated, but the format is not good.

It's more complicated to understand how the Entry system go.
To understand the ranking is a lot more complex and complicated !!!

As yet said, there is no sense to play the third match of the group, when the seeded player has yet qualifyed.
Let's imagine that : the eight seeded players win all the matches :

the day when the last matches are playing, it's a lost day.

All the third matches are no agonistic !!!

Absurd !!!

I would like that this really will happen !!! The eight seeded players that will not lost a match !!! With one day with eight matches not interesting !!!

Mah !!! :rolleyes:

dijus
12-30-2006, 05:06 PM
This reminds me of when people buy a CD single, and it includes the radio version, the extended version, the remix of the radio version, the digitalised edited remix of the extended version of all of the same product.

:haha: :rolls: :haha: :rolls:

Btw, It's not so complicated to understand, but RR events suck surely. It's nonsense to play match(es) for nothing: for players and for fans.

I would be stick to normal format of tournaments with very easy rule : you lose - you are out.

jayjay
12-30-2006, 05:48 PM
Does this help anyone?

Adelaide Draw:

Main Draw Elimination Round

VASALLO ARGUELLO, Martin vs (wc) LUCZAK, Peter [ME1]
DANCEVIC, Frank vs Q [ME2]
DEL POTRO, Juan Martin vs Q [ME3]
DELIC, Amer vs (wc) GUCCIONE, Chris [ME4]
KUNITSYN, Igor vs Q [ME5]
DLOUHY, Lukas vs JOHANSSON, Joachim [ME6]
KOROLEV, Evgeny vs Q [ME7]
MULLER, Gilles vs (wc) JONES, Alun [ME8]


It helps us understand the draw, but I fail to see how it helps the ATP to have so many ME sufferers on tour. I hope they can muster enough energy to enjoy all the rides (and crashes) that Disney have to offer.

Fee
12-30-2006, 05:56 PM
No, its not really complicated for us, the 'hardcore talk about it in our spare time' tennis fans. But, put yourself in the shoes of someone who bought tickets for this tournament and doesn't read every piece of tennis news that comes across the internet, and can't find the ATP website without help from a 12 year old nerd. THAT tennis fan is going to have a serious headache about 90 minutes after arriving at the tournament trying to read this draw and figure out what the heck is going on. It looks more complicated than a racing form, and if that tennis fan forgot his/her glasses it will be even harder (I'm speaking of the advertising demographic here, a slightly older crowd). This experiment is going to fail, miserably, but the ATP will hide proof of that failure (except the fact that Roger will never play in an RR tournament) and claim it was all a grand success.

trulliscorpion
12-30-2006, 06:15 PM
Yeah, it is not that complex. But now qualifying looks like a pre-qualifying event :shrug: I don't like the fact that certain players are already in the groups. It's a very unfair system.

I think of it as byes.
They aren't playing the first match, but they ain't getting points for it either, alas the winners of the playoff matches get on the groups with some points bagged already.

How come people will have a hard time understanding the system? Nearly every sport has RR concepts, and this is just a plain regular one to me. Someone who doesn't understand the concept is most likely uninterested on the draw, only wanting to watch some balls being whacked.

416_Life
12-30-2006, 06:35 PM
No, its not really complicated for us, the 'hardcore talk about it in our spare time' tennis fans. But, put yourself in the shoes of someone who bought tickets for this tournament and doesn't read every piece of tennis news that comes across the internet, and can't find the ATP website without help from a 12 year old nerd. THAT tennis fan is going to have a serious headache about 90 minutes after arriving at the tournament trying to read this draw and figure out what the heck is going on. It looks more complicated than a racing form, and if that tennis fan forgot his/her glasses it will be even harder (I'm speaking of the advertising demographic here, a slightly older crowd). This experiment is going to fail, miserably, but the ATP will hide proof of that failure (except the fact that Roger will never play in an RR tournament) and claim it was all a grand success.

I don't think non-tennis fans will even look at the draw. They'd look at the OOP and hope to see the same players that ESPN has mad sex with everytime a slam comes around. They'll be happier to know that even though they didn't go on the Monday, they still have a chance to see the top seeds that may have lost the day before.

jayjay
12-30-2006, 06:46 PM
No, its not really complicated for us, the 'hardcore talk about it in our spare time' tennis fans. But, put yourself in the shoes of someone who bought tickets for this tournament and doesn't read every piece of tennis news that comes across the internet, and can't find the ATP website without help from a 12 year old nerd. THAT tennis fan is going to have a serious headache about 90 minutes after arriving at the tournament trying to read this draw and figure out what the heck is going on. It looks more complicated than a racing form, and if that tennis fan forgot his/her glasses it will be even harder (I'm speaking of the advertising demographic here, a slightly older crowd). This experiment is going to fail, miserably, but the ATP will hide proof of that failure (except the fact that Roger will never play in an RR tournament) and claim it was all a grand success.

I couldn't agree more with what you have said, my post above was a piss take. :)

Colt th magnific
12-30-2006, 06:48 PM
Some news about Jarkko, who was in the entry list ?

Labamba ?

NicoFan
12-30-2006, 08:04 PM
Does this help anyone?

Adelaide Draw:

Main Draw Elimination Round

VASALLO ARGUELLO, Martin vs (wc) LUCZAK, Peter [ME1]
DANCEVIC, Frank vs Q [ME2]
DEL POTRO, Juan Martin vs Q [ME3]
DELIC, Amer vs (wc) GUCCIONE, Chris [ME4]
KUNITSYN, Igor vs Q [ME5]
DLOUHY, Lukas vs JOHANSSON, Joachim [ME6]
KOROLEV, Evgeny vs Q [ME7]
MULLER, Gilles vs (wc) JONES, Alun [ME8]

RRG1
DJOKOVIC, Novak [1]
HAJEK, Jan
ME8

RRG2
HRBATY, Dominik [5]
GOLDSTEIN, Paul
ME1

RRG3
STEPANEK, Radek [3]
SPADEA, Vincent
ME7

RRG4
SIMON, Gilles [7]
SERRA, Florent
ME6

RRG5
MATHIEU, Paul Henri [8]
HERNYCH, Jan
ME3

RRG6
HEWITT, Lleyton [4]
TIPSAREVIC, Janko
ME5

RRG7
CLEMENT, Arnaud [6]
BECKER, Benjamin
ME4

RRG6
GASQUET, Richard [2]
MAYER, Florian
ME2

Elimination stages, from QF

WG1 vs WG2
WG3 vs WG4
WG5 vs WG6
WG7 vs WG8

Not exactly low-maintenance, is it?

Thank you.

It helps me to understand, but I guess I'm lazy because don't want to have to go through such effort to have to figure out who is playing who. :shrug: It is a high-maintenance system. :lol:

I've always thought the way draws are done should be changed...but not to this sh*t. :lol:

NicoFan
12-30-2006, 08:07 PM
I don't think non-tennis fans will even look at the draw. They'd look at the OOP and hope to see the same players that ESPN has mad sex with everytime a slam comes around. They'll be happier to know that even though they didn't go on the Monday, they still have a chance to see the top seeds that may have lost the day before.

You have a point too. I don't like it, but it's probably true. :sad:

I realize the need to mass market the sport. And if this does bring fans in, we should all be happy. More TV time, etc. etc.

But I just really really hate round robins and what it means for the game.

There has to be another way to attract fans that doesn't take the competitiveness out of the game.

The Tennis Guru
12-30-2006, 09:35 PM
It is being treated like the Final round of Qualies so is on the Qualy Draw.


What no one has publicised is the order of Play for round Robin

1 The two lower ranked players play Match 1

2 The Seed then Plays the LOSER of match one

3 This means that if the seed loses a match he is GUARANTEED to have another chance!!!!

Can you confirm that this is the order they will use? This is what I also thought, but then I saw that some people are contradicting this, for example Sbandierator ITA, who says that the seed will play his two matches first. If you look at the ATP draw, http://www.atptennis.com/en/common/TrackIt.asp?file=http://www.atptennis.com/1/posting/2007/339/mds.pdf, they have put the seed's two matches first, but I guess this is just for graphical reasons. You are probably right; I just want a source.

Paul Banks
12-30-2006, 10:25 PM
If I understand correctly, people will have the chance to see all their favourite players at least 2 times. For fans of lower ranked players, this is good news.

Otherwise yeah, it's a useless mess. Maybe the ATP will hire 12 year old nerds who will explain the format to confused people on-site.

Via
12-30-2006, 10:56 PM
for fans of players playing badly going into the tournament, this really is good news! :D

Luka Matic
12-30-2006, 11:59 PM
God help us with rr!!! Such a stupid thing to do :rolleyes:

Dragula.mp3
12-31-2006, 02:54 AM
So let me see if I got it correct. A qualy if wants to win the whole tournament, should have to win the three matches to enter the main draw elimination round; one match to enter the RR bs; then he have to win two more to pass to quartes (you know how it end's). So if my maths are correct, should have to win nine matches, right?. One less than a GS
Even for a small tournament sounds like a mission impossible.
This RR system it's a very good improvement, on the injury's matter.

If I'm wrong let me know.

aussie_fan
12-31-2006, 03:53 AM
So let me see if I got it correct. A qualy if wants to win the whole tournament, should have to win the three matches to enter the main draw elimination round; one match to enter the RR bs; then he have to win two more to pass to quartes (you know how it end's). So if my maths are correct, should have to win nine matches, right?. One less than a GS
Even for a small tournament sounds like a mission impossible.
This RR system it's a very good improvement, on the injury's matter.

If I'm wrong let me know.

qualies only have to play 2 matches in qualies to get into mde. So it would be 8.

njnetswill
12-31-2006, 04:06 AM
:retard:

Why did they have to make things so complicated.

Leo
12-31-2006, 07:33 AM
This is so fucked up. How is this going to excite or interest new fans? Overly complicated... to go from elimination to round robin then back to elimination?!!

I hate the ATP and tennis keeps going downhill.

Vorteil
12-31-2006, 07:58 AM
Good luck Benjamin Becker for his match against Chris Guccione.

rrfnpump
12-31-2006, 09:01 AM
stupid RR :mad: :(
hopefully it wont work :D

anyways, Good luck :hug: to :
* Novak Djokovic :)
* Peter Luczak :cool:
* Gilles Simon :kiss:
* Paul-Henri Mathieu ;)
* Arnaud Clement :hearts:
* Benjamin Becker :D

CooCooCachoo
12-31-2006, 09:05 AM
I think of it as byes.
They aren't playing the first match, but they ain't getting points for it either, alas the winners of the playoff matches get on the groups with some points bagged already.

How come people will have a hard time understanding the system? Nearly every sport has RR concepts, and this is just a plain regular one to me. Someone who doesn't understand the concept is most likely uninterested on the draw, only wanting to watch some balls being whacked.

Yes, and I oppose Byes :p Useless way to give the top players extra rest and easier access to points and prize money.

Sbandierator ITA
12-31-2006, 09:50 AM
This experiment is going to fail, miserably, but the ATP will hide proof of that failure (except the fact that Roger will never play in an RR tournament) and claim it was all a grand success.

Are You sure ? :confused:
I knew that this is an experiment to understand if it's possible to get it for the Master Series Events !!! :eek:

And so, if the ATP organization think i'ts OK, it will be apply for the ATP Master Series. Of course, in this case, Roger Federer will play into a RR tournament !!!

Oh, my god !!! Poor Tenis !!! :sad:

I don't think non-tennis fans will even look at the draw. They'd look at the OOP and hope to see the same players that ESPN has mad sex with everytime a slam comes around. They'll be happier to know that even though they didn't go on the Monday, they still have a chance to see the top seeds that may have lost the day before.

If the best two players will play the first match ( relax for the players that come from qualies and ME ), the second and third match that a fan can see, it's between a top player and one arount the place n.100... not highest tennis !!!Can you confirm that this is the order they will use? This is what I also thought, but then I saw that some people are contradicting this, for example Sbandierator ITA, who says that the seed will play his two matches first. If you look at the ATP draw, http://www.atptennis.com/en/common/TrackIt.asp?file=http://www.atptennis.com/1/posting/2007/339/mds.pdf, they have put the seed's two matches first, but I guess this is just for graphical reasons. You are probably right; I just want a source.

I understood it reading this thread. I'm not sure it's so. Excuse me for the mistake, in this case.

But if I'm wrong and the order for RR it's in this way, the same : the top seed player it's not protect from the elimination if he lost one match.

Let's suppose that in the first match between the two lowest ranked players, win a player that win against the top seed player. In this case the top seed player will play the third round yet eliminated. ABSOLUTELY NO-SENSE :eek: match !!!

Björki
12-31-2006, 10:05 AM
RR sucks :fiery:

*Ljubica*
12-31-2006, 12:59 PM
Good Luck JMDP :) RR = :fiery:

Dragula.mp3
12-31-2006, 01:59 PM
qualies only have to play 2 matches in qualies to get into mde. So it would be 8.

Oh yeah. I was counting one more qualy match. Actually thinking in a GS qualy.


Either way good luck Del Potro

janhernych44
12-31-2006, 02:39 PM
I don't understand this format?!!

ASP0315
12-31-2006, 04:47 PM
This RR format sucks. :mad:

I don't mind RR format but to go from elimination to round robin then back to elimination is somewhat ridulous.

ASP0315
12-31-2006, 04:58 PM
I don't understand this format?!!

The RR Elimination(16 player draw) round acts as a Qualifying round for Main Draw(8 three player groups).

Main Draw consists of 8 Groups. Each Group Conists of three players(two players + one of winners of the RR Elimination round)

Winner of the Eac group advances into the QF Knockout. Winners of the QF will move onto the SF and winners of SF wil move onto the finals

Sbandierator ITA
12-31-2006, 05:25 PM
TO AVOID DEAD MATCHES

Ok Monday's OOP is out.

It appears that the Top seed can play first so ignore my earlier post

BUT

The only way RR can work is as follows

Day 1
Two Players play the First Match in the Round robin, the third gets a day off

Day 2
The third player must play the LOSER from day one

Day 3
This means that no one can be Played 2 Won 2 before the last match
starts(means no dead rubber)

Ah, so thanks for this optimal explanation !!! Very good !!!

So change a lot the quality oh the RR.

Anyway, there is one thing not good : One player play the firsts two matches. On his second match he is yet warmed up for the tourmament, but the opponent is cold on his first match. He has more chances to lost the match.

nitsansh
01-01-2007, 01:08 PM
In case you were wondering...

RRG1
(wc) JONES, Alun [ME8] W 2-0
#DJOKOVIC, Novak [1]
#HAJEK, Jan L 0-2

RRG2
LUCZAK, Peter [ME1] W 2-0
#GOLDSTEIN, Paul
#HRBATY, Dominik [5] L 0-2

RRG3
#STEPANEK, Radek [3]
#SPADEA, Vincent
KOROLEV, Evgeny [ME7]

RRG4
SERRA, Florent W 2-1
SIMON, Gilles [7]
JOHANSSON, Joachim [ME6] L 1-2

RRG5
#MATHIEU, Paul Henri [8]
#HERNYCH, Jan
DEL POTRO, Juan Martin [ME3]

RRG6
#HEWITT, Lleyton [4]
#TIPSAREVIC, Janko
KUNITSYN, Igor [ME5]

RRG7
(wc) GUCCIONE, Chris [ME4] W 2-0
CLEMENT, Arnaud [6]
BECKER, Benjamin L 0-2

RRG8
#GASQUET, Richard [2]
#MAYER, Florian
DANCEVIC, Frank [ME2]

#matches to be played Tuesday

Hajek and Hrbaty could be eliminated if they don't win in 2 sets, and also lose less games than they won on Monday.
In case Djokovic or Goldstein lose they will still be in contention, but they must win their next match in straight sets to reach the QF.

Elimination stages, from QF
G1 vs G2
G3 vs G4
G5 vs G6
G7 vs G8

nitsansh
01-01-2007, 01:11 PM
Note that in the groups that played the elimination round on Monday, the top 2 players in the group play the first match and the guy who qualified gets a rest day.

Sbandierator ITA
01-03-2007, 10:12 PM
Very goog this format :

Pay attention !!!

Group 3 : Stepanek lost the first set and there is no way for him to go in the quarterfinals.

So, the opponent can choose to not play, and keep energies for the match of the day after. And so Stepanek win in three sets.:rolleyes:

Group 4 : Serra needs to win agains a player yet eliminated : Simon. Because Simon has lost 2 sets and no sets win. So if he win 2-0 his balance is 2-2. But Johansson is 3-2 as sets. Better.

And so, Simon is French, Serra is French, probably they are friends and so Simon do a favour to Serra.:rolleyes:

Johansson is the first victim of this format.

Group 8 : I go to the university. When I will come back, I can see you what's happen there...:rolleyes:

Sbandierator ITA
01-07-2007, 05:06 PM
Very goog this format :

Pay attention !!!

Johansson is the first victim of this format.



Eh Eh Eh !!! Johansson had a big lucky !!! :eek:

Justice is done !!!

:angel: