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The 2006 Challenger Player of the Year Thread [Poll]

CooCooCachoo
12-02-2006, 10:40 AM
The 2006 Challenger Player of the Year

Welcome everyone!

After another turbulent year on the Challenger Tour, arguably made even more turbulent ever since Nathaliia and I have been moderating your posts because of other-wordly languages and obscene gestures ;), it is time to elect who you think has done the best on the Tour! The Challenger Tour, that is. Oh, Maui would not have changed anything in this poll for us!

Who has taken the most titles? Who has won the toughest tournaments? Who has the highest win/loss ratio? Who did the best on all surfaces? Whose game has proven to be most consistent? Who excelled in both singles and doubles? Who has caught your attention?


These are just a few of the questions you might want to look at when voting in our poll. Unfortunately, we could not include all players, so we have had to make a selection ourselves. If your pick is not included, please vote the last option [Other] and tell us why we should not have excluded this guy in our poll!

Introducing...

In no specific order:

... http://flagspot.net/misc/wfr.gif Nicolas Devilder

http://i.msn.eurosport.fr/2006/04/11/269163-971419-317-238.jpg


Reached his career high in singles this year, at #92;
Currently ranked #95;
Wins include Pless (bageled), Gabashvili, Eschauer, Fraile (bageled), Del Potro (bageled)

Losses include Heuberger, Snobel, Tuksar, Montcourt, Mirnegg
Served five bagels

Ate two bagels

2006 Singles:

W (4):

14. Monza ($25K+H, Clay)
17. Bergamo II ($25K+H, Clay)
24. Kosice ($25K+H, Clay)
31. Timisoara ($25K+H, Clay)
F (1):
38. Banja Luka ($25K+H, Clay)
SF (5):
5. Florianapolis ($25K+H, Clay)
11. Ho Chi Minh City ($50K+H, Hard)
13. St. Brieuc ($25K+H, Indoor Clay)
28. Poznan ($100K+H, Clay)
43. Montevideo ($75K+H, Clay)
QF (1):

27. Montauban ($25K+H, Clay)


2006 Doubles:

W (0):

F (0):

SF (2):5. Florianapolis ($25K+H, Clay, with Eric Prodon)
28. Poznan ($100K+H, Clay, with Olivier Patience)


More? Check out Devilder's 2006 activity here: http://www.atptennis.com/5/en/players/playerprofiles/playeractivity.asp?player=D469

... http://flagspot.net/misc/war.gif Sergio Roitman

http://i.eurosport.es/2006/05/24/280437-1110667-317-238.jpg


Reached his career high in singles this year, at #72;
Currently ranked #72;
Wins include Devilder, R. Delgado, Pavel, K. Kim, N. Lapentti, Zabaleta, Zib, Vicente, Pashanski

Losses include Mirnegg, Ed. Massa, Di Pasquale, Lammer, Cilic, Ulihrach, Armando

Served six bagels

Ate two bagels

2006 Singles:

W (2):

44. Aracuja ($75K+H, Clay)
46. Guayaquil ($50K+H, Clay)

F (3):
14. Aguascalientes ($25K+H, Clay)
26. Reggio Emilia ($25K+H, Clay)
32. San Marino ($100K+H, Clay)

SF (3):
1. Sao Paulo ($100K+H, Hard)
15. Florianopolis ($100K+H, Clay)
19. Prague ($100K+H, Clay)

QF (3):

4. Santiago ($25K+H, Clay)
25. Braunschweig ($125K+H, Clay)
45. Buenos Aires ($75K+H, Clay)



2006 Doubles:

W (5):
4. Santiago ($25K+H, Clay, with Maximo Gonzalez)
15. Florianopolis ($100K+H, Clay, with Maximo Gonzalez)
32. San Marino ($100K+H, Clay, with Maximo Gonzalez)
43. Montevideo ($75K+H, Clay, with Maximo Gonzalez)
44. Aracuja ($75K+H, Clay, with Maximo Gonzalez)

F (3):

19. Prague ($100K+H, Clay, with Ramón Delgado)
24. Lugano ($100K+H, Clay, with Leonardo Azzaro)
25. Braunschweig ($125K+H, Clay, with Maximo Gonzalez)

SF (3):17. Bogota ($100K+H, Clay, with Hugo Armando)
38. Szczecin ($125K+H, Clay, with Nicolas Lapentti)
40. Mons ($125K+H, Indoor Hard, with Murad Inoyatov)



More? Check out Roitman's 2006 activity here: http://www.atptennis.com/5/en/players/playerprofiles/playeractivity.asp?player=R388 (http://www.atptennis.com/5/en/players/playerprofiles/playeractivity.asp?player=D469)

... http://flagspot.net/misc/war.gif Guillermo Cañas

http://external.cache.el-mundo.net/elmundodeporte/imagenes/2004/07/25/1090786477_0.jpg


Came back in September after a 15-month suspension;
Was unranked at the time of his comeback;

Currently ranked #143;
Wins include Pashanski, Berlocq, Saretta, Monaco, N. Lapentti, Mello, Daniel

Losses include Köllerer, Giraldo, Guccione

Served seven bagels

Ate zero bagels

2006 Singles:

W (4):

37. Belem ($25K+H, Clay)
43. Montevideo ($75K+H, Clay)
45. Buenos Aires ($75K+H, Clay)
46. Asuncion ($75K+H, Clay)

F (1):
40. Quito ($25K+H, Clay)

SF (1):
41. Medellin ($25K+H, Clay)

QF (0):



2006 Doubles:

W (0):

F (1):

43. Montevideo ($75K+H, Clay, with Martin Garcia)
SF (0):



More? Check out Cañas's 2006 activity here: http://www.atptennis.com/5/en/players/playerprofiles/playeractivity.asp?player=C433 (http://www.atptennis.com/5/en/players/playerprofiles/playeractivity.asp?player=D469)

... http://flagspot.net/misc/wes.gifMarcel Granollers-Pujol

http://www.tenispain.com/BDFotos/fotos/album/granollers_m/f00597_m.jpg


Reached his career high in singles this year, at #156;
Currently ranked #160;
Reached his career high in doubles this year, at #97;

Wins include Marin, Vicente, Ouahab, Hernandez, Zib, Summerer

Losses include Schwank, Craciun, Ruiz-Cadeñas, S. Gonzalez, Brizzi

Served four bagels

Ate four bagels

2006 Singles:

W (1):
41. Barcelona ($25K+H, Clay)
F (2):
18. Ostrava ($25K+H, Clay)
22. Turin ($25K+H, Clay)
SF (1):
39. Bratislava ($25K+H, Clay)
QF (3):
24. Kosice ($25K+H, Clay)
32. Vigo ($37.5K+H, Clay)
36. Düsseldorf ($25K+H, Clay)


2006 Doubles:

W (5):
22. Turin ($25K+H, Clay, with Pablo Andujar)
28. Mantova ($25K+H, Clay, with Pablo Andujar)
32. Vigo ($37.5K+H, Clay, with Pablo Andujar)
37. Sevilla ($50K+H, Clay, with Pablo Andujar)
39. Bratislava ($25K+H, Clay, with Flavio Cipolla) F (3):
41. Barcelona ($25K+H, clay, with Pablo Andujar)
44. Aracuja ($75K+H, Clay, with Tomas Behrend)
45. Buenos Aires ($75K+H, Clay, with Tomas Behrend)
SF (3):31. Segovia ($100K+H, Hard, with Uros Vico)
36. Düsseldorf ($25K+H, Clay, with Albert Portas)
38. Taragona ($50K+H, Clay, with Pablo Andujar)



More? Check out Granoller-Pujol's 2006 activity here: http://www.atptennis.com/5/en/players/playerprofiles/playeractivity.asp?player=G710 (http://www.atptennis.com/5/en/players/playerprofiles/playeractivity.asp?player=D469)

... http://flagspot.net/misc/wfr.gif Nicolas Mahut

http://nicolasmahut.free.fr/bercy03.jpg


Reached his career high in singles this year, at #61;
Currently ranked #85;
Wins include Pless, Norman, Kunitsyn

Losses include Istomin, Devilder, Dlouhy, Dupuis

Served one bagel

Ate one bagel

2006 Singles:

W (3):
8. Besançon ($100K+H, Indoor Hard)
9. Cherbourg ($50K+H, Indoor Hard)
10. Kyoto ($25K+H, Indoor Carpet)
F (0):
SF (0):

QF (3):
6. Wroclaw ($125K+H, Indoor Hard)
7. Belgrade ($100K+H, Indoor Carpet)
20. San Remo ($25K+H, Clay)


2006 Doubles:

W (2):
5. Andrezieux ($100K+H, Indoor Hard, with Julien Benneteau)
20. San Remo ($25K+H, Clay, with Julien Benneteau) F (0):

SF (1):8. Besançon ($100K+H, Indoor Hard, with Michael Llodra)

More? Check out Mahut's 2006 activity here: http://www.atptennis.com/5/en/players/playerprofiles/playeractivity.asp?player=M873 (http://www.atptennis.com/5/en/players/playerprofiles/playeractivity.asp?player=D469)


... http://flagspot.net/misc/wde.gif Tomas Behrend

http://pg.squids.images.focus.de/img/gen/S/U/HBSUAgoa49i_Pxgen_r_Ax270.jpg


Reached his career high in doubles this year, at #80;
Currently ranked #205;
Wins include Gabashvili, Junqueira, M. Gonzalez, Gulbis

Losses include Lorenzi, Reister, Bachinger, Ungur

Served one bagel

Ate four bagels

2006 Singles:

W (0):

F (0):
SF (1):
23. Fürth ($50K+H, Clay)
QF (2):
25. Braunschweig ($125K+H, Clay)
39. Bratislava ($25K+H, Clay)


2006 Doubles:

W (6):
25. Braunschweig ($125K+H, Clay, with Christopher Kas)
35. Freudenstadt ($25K+H, Clay, with Dominik Meffert)
36. Düsseldorf ($25K+H, Clay, with Hugo Armando)
38. Szczecin ($125K+H, Clay, with Christopher Kas)
41. Barcelona ($25K+H, Clay, with Flavio Cipolla)
46. Asuncion ($75K+H, Clay, with Andre Ghem)
F (2):
44. Aracuja ($75K+H, Clay, with Marcel Granollers-Pujol)
45. Buenos Aires ($75K+H, Clay, with Marcel Granollers-Pujol)
SF (1):40. Mons ($125K+H, Indoor Hard, with Christopher Kas)


More? Check out Behrend's 2006 activity here: http://www.atptennis.com/5/en/players/playerprofiles/playeractivity.asp?player=B545 (http://www.atptennis.com/5/en/players/playerprofiles/playeractivity.asp?player=D469)

... http://flagspot.net/misc/wcz.gif Jan Hajek

http://www.pragueopen.cz/2006/pix/ut_hajek.jpg


Reached his career high in singles this year, at #71;
Currently ranked #76;
Wins include Starace, Gicquel, Sluiter, Hrbaty, Roitman, Vicente, Montañes

Losses include Qureshi, Eschauer, Popp, Vinciguerra

Served four bagels

Ate one bagel

2006 Singles:

W (4):
12. Barletta ($25K+H, Clay)
23. Prostejov ($125K+H, Clay)
25. Braunschweig ($125K+H, Clay)
28. Poznan ($100K+H, Clay)
F (1):
19. Prague ($100K+H, Clay)
SF (0):

QF (3):

13. St. Brieuc ($25K+H, Indoor Clay)
17. Bergamo II ($25K+H, Clay)
27. Biella ($100K+H, Clay)


2006 Doubles:

W (1):
17. Bergamo II ($25K+H, Clay, with Jaroslav Pospisil)
F (0):

SF (0):


More? Check out Hajek's 2006 activity here: http://www.atptennis.com/5/en/players/playerprofiles/playeractivity.asp?player=H571 (http://www.atptennis.com/5/en/players/playerprofiles/playeractivity.asp?player=D469)

... http://flagspot.net/misc/wyu.gif Janko Tipsarevic

http://eur.news1.yimg.com/eur.yimg.com/ng/sp/empics/3639284


Reached his career high in singles this year, at #64;
Currently ranked #64;
Wins include O. Rochus, Llodra, Korolev

Losses include Mertinak, Ascione, Masik

Served two bagels

Ate zero bagels

2006 Singles:

W (4):
7. Belgrade ($100K, Indoor Carpet)
33. Samarkand ($25K+H, Clay)
34. Bukhara ($25K+H, Hard)
40. Mons ($125K+H, Indoor Hard)
F (1):
19. Dresden ($25K+H, Clay)
SF (1):
4. Heilbronn ($100K+H, Indoor Hard)
QF (0):


2006 Doubles:

W (0):

F (0):

SF (1):
36. Düsseldorf ($25K+H, Clay, with Dusan Vemic)


More? Check out Tipsarevic's 2006 activity here: http://www.atptennis.com/5/en/players/playerprofiles/playeractivity.asp?player=T742 (http://www.atptennis.com/5/en/players/playerprofiles/playeractivity.asp?player=D469)

... http://flagspot.net/misc/wph.gif Cecil Mamiit

http://www.infotennis.com/joueurs/images/mamiit.jpg


Reached his career high in doubles this year, at #102;
Currently ranked #188 in singles;
Wins include Delic, Warburg, Morrison, K. Kim, Russell

Losses include Nuñez, Niemeyer, Fleishman, Stoppini, Chen, Chramosta

Served three bagels

Ate one bagel

2006 Singles:

W (1):
37. New Orleans ($50K, Hard)
F (1):
20. Forest Hills ($50K, Clay)
SF (3):
22. Busan I ($50K+H, Hard)
23. Yuba City ($50K, Hard)
39. Tulsa ($50K, Hard)
QF (2):
11. Ho Chi Minh City ($50K+H, Hard)
15. Valencia ($50K, Hard)


2006 Doubles:

W (6):
4. Waikoloa ($50K+H, with Michael Kohlmann)
11. Ho Chi Minh City ($50K+H, Hard, with Hyung-Taik Lee)
20. Forest Hills ($50K, Clay, with Chris Drake)
27. Winnetka ($50K, Hard, with Eric Taino)
37. New Orleans ($50K, Hard, with Sam Warburg)
42. Calabasas ($50K, Hard, with Robert Kendrick)
F (1):
22. Busan I ($50K+H, with Robert Kendrick)
SF (3):14. Tallahassee ($50K, Hard, with Zack Fleishman)
16. Léon ($25K+H, Hard, with Chris Drake)
30. Granby ($50K+H, Hard, with Florin Mergea)


More? Check out Mamiit's 2006 activity here: http://www.atptennis.com/5/en/players/playerprofiles/playeractivity.asp?player=M614 (http://www.atptennis.com/5/en/players/playerprofiles/playeractivity.asp?player=D469)

... Other

Not satisfied with our choices? Here are a few players we unfortunately could not include in the poll:


Alex Bogdanovic (Singles Champion of Wrexham, Bergamo I & Shrewsbury)
Florian Mayer (Singles Champion of Tampere, Fürth & Graz)
Kristian Pless (Overall solid results, doubles and singles champion of Rimouski)
Andre Ghem (Five-time doubles champion, singles champion of Joinville)

Maximo Gonzalez (Five-time doubles champion, despite injury problems)
Thiago Alves (two doubles titles, two singles titles)
And many moreBut you can still vote for them in the option 'Other'!

CooCooCachoo
12-02-2006, 10:42 AM
You have until the end of this month to vote :wavey:

NyGeL
12-02-2006, 10:46 AM
I would vote Canas, but he just played 2 months, so I vote Hajek.

Nathaliia
12-02-2006, 10:56 AM
Unbelievable job with this poll Martijn :yeah: :rocker: As I promised, I vote for Behrend. Old useless chap finding himself on a competitive challenger doubles level is begging for your pity votes.

Don't let him down. I don't.

Drew37
12-02-2006, 11:04 AM
I vote for Alex Bogdanovic (GBR)

Won 3 singles titles, 1F, & 5QF + 1 doubles SF.

Reached his career high in singles this year, at #114;
Currently ranked #123;
Wins include Zverev, Cilic, Chiudinelli, Sluiter, Stakhovsky, Seppi, Kunitsyn

Losses include Nadal, Henman, Tursonov, Delic, Gimelstob
Served one bagel
Ate no bagels

Full year results at his official site :

http://www.alexbogdanovic.com/2006results.htm

Nathaliia
12-02-2006, 11:04 AM
Anyway Martijn and I wanted to thank everybody who contributed in this section of forum for the whole year, provided draws, scores, links, phone numbers, match reports, photos and match previews. We hope next year these threads will be even better. Kindest greetings.

CooCooCachoo
12-02-2006, 11:07 AM
2006 Head-to-Heads of the Nominees

http://flagspot.net/misc/wfr.gif Nicolas Devilder against...

... Sergio Roitman | 0-1 [6: Santiago, 3-6 6-7 (5)]
... Guillermo Cañas | 0-1 [43: Montevideo, 0-6 4-6]
... Marcel Granollers-Pujol | 1-0 [36. Sevilla, 2-6 6-4 6-3]
... Nicolas Mahut | 1-0 [11. Ho Chi Minh City, 6-1 6-1]
... Tomas Behrend | No meetings
... Jan Hajek | 0-1 [28. Poznan, 5-7 3-6]
... Janko Tipsarevic | No meetings
... Cecil Mamiit | No meetings

http://flagspot.net/misc/war.gif Sergio Roitman against...

... Nicolas Devilder | 1-0 [6. Santiago, 6-3 7-6 (5)]
... Guillermo Cañas | No meetings
... Marcel Granollers-Pujol | No meetings
... Nicolas Mahut | No meetings
... Tomas Behrend | No meetings
... Jan Hajek | 0-1 [25. Braunschweig, 5-7 4-6]
... Janko Tipsarevic | No meetings
... Cecil Mamiit | No meetings

http://flagspot.net/misc/war.gif Guillermo Cañas against...

... Sergio Roitman | No meetings
... Nicolas Devilder | 1-0 [43. Montevideo: 6-4 6-0]
... Marcel Granollers-Pujol | No meetings
... Nicolas Mahut | No meetings
... Tomas Behrend | No meetings
... Jan Hajek | No meetings
... Janko Tipsarevic | No meetings
... Cecil Mamiit | No meetings

http://flagspot.net/misc/wes.gif Marcel Granollers-Pujol against...

... Sergio Roitman | No meetings
... Guillermo Cañas | No meetings
... Nicolas Devilder | 0-1 [36. Sevilla: 6-2 4-6 3-6]
... Nicolas Mahut | No meetings
... Tomas Behrend | No meetings
... Jan Hajek | No meetings
... Janko Tipsarevic | No meetings
... Cecil Mamiit | No meetings

http://flagspot.net/misc/wfr.gif Nicolas Mahut against...

... Sergio Roitman | No meetings
... Guillermo Cañas | No meetings
... Marcel Granollers-Pujol | No meetings
... Nicolas Devilder | 0-1 [11. Ho Chi Minh City: 1-6 1-6]
... Tomas Behrend | No meetings
... Jan Hajek | No meetings
... Janko Tipsarevic | 0-1 [7. Belgrade: 4-6 6-7 (4)]
... Cecil Mamiit | No meetings

http://flagspot.net/misc/wde.gif Tomas Behrend against...

... Sergio Roitman | No meetings
... Guillermo Cañas | No meetings
... Marcel Granollers-Pujol | No meetings
... Nicolas Mahut | No meetings
... Nicolas Devilder | No meetings
... Jan Hajek | No meetings
... Janko Tipsarevic | No meetings
... Cecil Mamiit | No meetings

http://flagspot.net/misc/wcz.gif Jan Hajek against...

... Sergio Roitman | 1-0 [25. Braunschweig, 7-5 6-4]
... Guillermo Cañas | No meetings
... Marcel Granollers-Pujol | No meetings
... Nicolas Mahut | No meetings
... Tomas Behrend | No meetings
... Nicolas Devilder | 1-0 [28. Poznan, 7-5 6-3]
... Janko Tipsarevic | No meetings
... Cecil Mamiit | No meetings

http://flagspot.net/misc/wyu.gif Janko Tipsarevic against...

... Sergio Roitman | No meetings
... Guillermo Cañas | No meetings
... Marcel Granollers-Pujol | No meetings
... Nicolas Mahut | 1-0 [7. Belgrade: 6-4 7-6 (4)]
... Tomas Behrend | No meetings
... Jan Hajek | No meetings
... Nicolas Devilder | No meetings
... Cecil Mamiit | No meetings

http://flagspot.net/misc/wph.gif Cecil Mamiit against...

... Sergio Roitman | No meetings
... Guillermo Cañas | No meetings
... Marcel Granollers-Pujol | No meetings
... Nicolas Mahut | No meetings
... Tomas Behrend | No meetings
... Jan Hajek | No meetings
... Janko Tipsarevic | No meetings
... Nicolas Devilder | No meetings

CooCooCachoo
12-02-2006, 11:10 AM
My vote goes to Roitman. He is easy to overlook (I did it too :o He is in the poll because Nathaliia did not overlook him ;)), but when looking at his results.. wow. He's been pretty solid all year through and has had awesome results, in both doubles and singles.

:hatoff: Roitman

Morgan Z
12-02-2006, 11:37 AM
Boggo! :woohoo:

CooCooCachoo
12-02-2006, 11:43 AM
:lol:

By the way, this is not a popularity poll :p I mean, Janko did well, but those $25Ks in Uzbekistan.. :lol:

Netin!
12-02-2006, 11:44 AM
I vote for Flavio Saretta

Klaas_nalbandian
12-02-2006, 11:47 AM
guys like canas mahut and offcourse hajek deserve it, some other guys like behrend only if you watch at doubles. I voted for Hajek, impressive wins, because although canas comeback is impressive he is a top 20 player and Hajek was new for me

I also want to mention a guy like Robin Haase 19 years old of the Netherlands winning the challenger of Nashville after matches against top 100 players Pless and Dancevic. He also reached 3 semi finals and 3 Quarter Finals in his first half year on the challenger circuit and reached his career high 163

Also Winning Doubles Title in Louisville and Finals in Brasov and Saransk, Semi final in Scheveningen

Nathaliia
12-02-2006, 11:47 AM
Of course people treat it as popularity contest, otherwise the tie would be between Devilder and Roitman :p Maybe Mamiit, regarding his great stuff in doubs and some add-ones in singles.

And I told you to put Saretta in :haha:

JMG
12-02-2006, 12:03 PM
I think Behrend had also luck to get good partners. Peya would have deserved to get mentioned, more than Behrend imo.

keqtqiadv
12-02-2006, 12:28 PM
Saretta :haha: Nah, Jan Hajek :)

Burrow
12-02-2006, 12:28 PM
Canas, but before Canas returned I'd have said Tipsarevic

decrepitude
12-02-2006, 12:37 PM
I vote for other - Alex Bogdanovic. He had a very good year despite being injured for quite a part of it near the start - so despite that, winning 3 tournaments and improving his ranking by nearly 50 places gets my vote.

CooCooCachoo
12-02-2006, 12:51 PM
I think Behrend had also luck to get good partners. Peya would have deserved to get mentioned, more than Behrend imo.

Not for his doubles results at all. Behrend won quite big events, not Peya. Peya did win a $125K+H Challenger (Istanbul), but his singles results have not been good either, so we both gave the edge to Behrend.

CooCooCachoo
12-02-2006, 12:52 PM
I vote for other - Alex Bogdanovic. He had a very good year despite being injured for quite a part of it near the start - so despite that, winning 3 tournaments and improving his ranking by nearly 50 places gets my vote.

Yes, he has had a good year, but has his year been better than, say, Hajek's, Roitman's and so on?

goslabs
12-02-2006, 12:52 PM
I vote for Boggo aswell, it's simply quite crazy that he isn't on the shortlist, has had a brilliant year - 3 titles and a 125K final among other things.

He's also achieved this despite missing 2 months through injury

It must be a conspiracy from Coocoocachoo as Boggo has beaten so many of his favs this year. That's the only reason I can think of, to explain why he's not on the shortlist

goslabs
12-02-2006, 01:04 PM
Yes, he has had a good year, but has his year been better than, say, Hajek's, Roitman's and so on?

Yes :)

CooCooCachoo
12-02-2006, 01:13 PM
I vote for Boggo aswell, it's simply quite crazy that he isn't on the shortlist, has had a brilliant year - 3 titles and a 125K final among other things.

He's also achieved this despite missing 2 months through injury

It must be a conspiracy from Coocoocachoo as Boggo has beaten so many of his favs this year. That's the only reason I can think of, to explain why he's not on the shortlist

Yes :)

:rolls:

There are many more players with three titles :) And some of them actually also did well in doubles. Plus, the ones he has won are hardly outstanding :shrug:

A conspiracy? :rolls: If so, I would actually have left Cañas out cause I don't like the man.

Nathaliia
12-02-2006, 01:15 PM
I vote for Boggo aswell, it's simply quite crazy that he isn't on the shortlist, has had a brilliant year - 3 titles and a 125K final among other things.

He's also achieved this despite missing 2 months through injury

It must be a conspiracy from Coocoocachoo as Boggo has beaten so many of his favs this year. That's the only reason I can think of, to explain why he's not on the shortlist

No, we made that list together and discussed it for long. Boggo, Pless, Hartfield, Lapentti, Saretta :p, Crazy Dani and some other chaps were options, that's why there's "Other" option to keep them altogether though it's quite significant all the Brits vote for Boggo.

Maybe I should have gone for Przysiężny just for the sake of skills of playing ultimately beautiful tennis that 90% players on that level can't even come close to.

CooCooCachoo
12-02-2006, 01:20 PM
No, we made that list together and discussed it for long. Boggo, Pless, Hartfield, Lapentti, Saretta :p, Crazy Dani and some other chaps were options, that's why there's "Other" option to keep them altogether though it's quite significant all the Brits vote for Boggo.

Maybe I should have gone for Przysiężny just for the sake of skills of playing ultimately beautiful tennis that 90% players on that level can't even come close to.

I should vote Wessels, because he reached the St. Brieuc final and really had a horrible injury-plagued year, so it's quite significant what he did in France on his worst surface, (indoor) clay!

CooCooCachoo
12-02-2006, 01:21 PM
Also, goslabs seems to be under the impression I have something against Bogdanovic. This is not true. He's nothing special, in my books :shrug:

Nathaliia
12-02-2006, 01:25 PM
Also, goslabs seems to be under the impression I have something against Bogdanovic. This is not true. He's nothing special, in my books :shrug:

I need to share a secret I'm against Lisnard and couple of other lads I had a doubtful pleasure of meeting in my life, and it has affected the poll. Slabinsky rulez, he should win a poll for the best futures player, on a note side.

CooCooCachoo
12-02-2006, 01:47 PM
I need to share a secret I'm against Lisnard and couple of other lads I had a doubtful pleasure of meeting in my life, and it has affected the poll. Slabinsky rulez, he should win a poll for the best futures player, on a note side.

Well, Lisnard would not have about 200 players make the poll before him :tape:

scarecrows
12-02-2006, 03:46 PM
Behrend :rocker2:

JMG
12-02-2006, 04:34 PM
Slabinsky rulez, he should win a poll for the best futures player, on a note side.

The serious choice for the best futures player should be Adam Vejmelka, who has an unbelievable amount of points in Africa and Iran. 7 titles I think.

scarecrows
12-02-2006, 04:41 PM
The serious choice for the best futures player should be Adam Vejmelka, who has an unbelievable amount of points in Africa and Iran. 7 titles I think.

what about Economidis' 5 straight Futures wins?

and he won 2 challengers too

JMG
12-02-2006, 04:55 PM
Not for his doubles results at all. Behrend won quite big events, not Peya. Peya did win a $125K+H Challenger (Istanbul), but his singles results have not been good either, so we both gave the edge to Behrend.

I see Behrend as one of the most disappointing players this year. A player with such an embarassing singles record shouldn't be in the poll.

Peya has 4 titles (100K & 75K also) and 2 finals in doubles. He has 1 big title, 2 finals and 3 semifinals in singles. Maybe he shouldn't be in the poll, but Behrend is not even top 20.

JMG
12-02-2006, 05:14 PM
what about Economidis' 5 straight Futures wins?

and he won 2 challengers too

Yeah, that was so long ago, I forgot it already. ;) It was as impressive as Vejmelka's run from August to November.

JustJames
12-02-2006, 05:24 PM
Where is The Big 'B'? :eek:

Surely Alex should be up there...no hard feelings though! ;)

I vote for Alex! :)

Great poll Coo.. and thank you to you and Nathaliia for your great work this year :wavey:

Kinetix
12-02-2006, 05:28 PM
Sergio Roitman :)

Willy only played two months.
Anyway, Devilder, Mahut and Hajek deserves it too.

Hangdog
12-02-2006, 05:52 PM
:devil: :rocker2: for sure.

CooCooCachoo
12-02-2006, 06:02 PM
I see Behrend as one of the most disappointing players this year. A player with such an embarassing singles record shouldn't be in the poll.

Peya has 4 titles (100K & 75K also) and 2 finals in doubles. He has 1 big title, 2 finals and 3 semifinals in singles. Maybe he shouldn't be in the poll, but Behrend is not even top 20.

Well, I think tennis consists of singles and doubles. Behrend was a tough call (as was Granollers-Pujol) but Nathaliia and I both agree he has been so outstanding in doubles this year, to deserve a mention. Note how we are spreading the doubles love ;)

But, like we said, it is so hard to please everyone as there are many players that have had a good year in either doubles or singles or both.

Nathaliia
12-02-2006, 07:13 PM
taking keyboard over my lil cousin :rolleyes: as for Behrend, well he proposed to me so I am biased.

johnnylad
12-02-2006, 08:18 PM
Can't argue with Bogdanovis' statistics!

dudi_fan
12-02-2006, 08:27 PM
MY MONEY$$$$$ is on JANKO!!!!!!!!!

Fee
12-02-2006, 08:30 PM
Were Delic and Kendrick considered for this poll at all?

CooCooCachoo
12-02-2006, 08:48 PM
Can't argue with Bogdanovis' statistics!

But I can argue that there were players that did much better :wavey:

CooCooCachoo
12-02-2006, 08:52 PM
Were Delic and Kendrick considered for this poll at all?

Delic, yes.

Kendrick, no. He has done well, especially in the light of his comeback but has not been outstanding and it can be argued that the Challengers he played are not as strong as many South American and European events (look at cut-offs). And, seriously, a lack of titles. He's done well, probably Top 25, but nowhere near Top 10.

CooCooCachoo
12-02-2006, 08:54 PM
By the way, it is very easy to see how phenomena such as Henmania and Mount Murray can arise in the UK, as all Brits in this thread very much hype Bogdanovic up and are too clouded by their admiration of good results to be willing to acknowledge that others have, significantly, done even better.

But that is just my interpretation :wavey:

jole
12-02-2006, 09:32 PM
By the way, it is very easy to see how phenomena such as Henmania and Mount Murray can arise in the UK, as all Brits in this thread very much hype Bogdanovic up and are too clouded by their admiration of good results to be willing to acknowledge that others have, significantly, done even better.

But that is just my interpretation :wavey:

I think you are correct.

There is no shame in this, but recognizing it is being accurate.

jole
12-02-2006, 09:34 PM
I couldn't really decide between Roitman and Hajek, but I personally like Jan more so I voted for him.

I love Marcel Grannollers-Pujol, but he is not the best. :D

While Mahut and Tipsarevic are certainly players who played a lot of challengers, because of previous success (moreso Janko) I don't rate their accomplishments as highly.

coreyschucky
12-02-2006, 09:48 PM
To me it was between Devilder, Roitman and Hajek. I think Devilder and Roitman were the better two especially with doubles included. It's tough between Devilder and Roitman but I went with Sergio as I felt despite winning less tourney's in singles his doubles by far makes up for it. Plus I think Sergio is the better player.

shotgun
12-02-2006, 09:58 PM
I think it's between Hajek and Roitman. I voted for Hajek because he managed to get into ATP level earlier (around August) than Roitman and he has spent the last few months of the season trying to make the transition to ATP level, something that Roitman still hasn't done.

Mahut is the one who reached a better ranking out of the list, but can't overlook the fact that he collected many of his points at ATPs rather than challengers.

JMG
12-02-2006, 10:05 PM
By the way, it is very easy to see how phenomena such as Henmania and Mount Murray can arise in the UK, as all Brits in this thread very much hype Bogdanovic up and are too clouded by their admiration of good results to be willing to acknowledge that others have, significantly, done even better.

But that is just my interpretation :wavey:

:lol:

I voted Hajek, his run in the big clay tournaments was impressive. :yeah:

Pigpen Stinks
12-02-2006, 10:38 PM
Canas. What he's accomplished in two months or so with almost reaching the Top 100 overshadows the fact that he's played so few events.

ChinoRios4Ever
12-03-2006, 02:05 AM
Cañas

mechi
12-03-2006, 04:22 AM
I vote for Cañas :yeah: :clap2:

Action Jackson
12-03-2006, 05:19 AM
Good to see people hyping the hell out of Bogdanovic cause of his nationality and Coo explained that very clearly.

In Feb, Jan Hajek was having to qualify for Challenger events and then he was winning them during the European clay season and Cañas being unranked in September to top 150 is huge.

Cañas is more well known, so Hajek will get my vote.

Count Zero
12-03-2006, 10:08 AM
boggo

Klaas_nalbandian
12-03-2006, 10:18 AM
boggo has a good year but no way he has the best challenger year of all these guys

Count Zero
12-03-2006, 10:21 AM
you are probably right, but he should have been on the shortlist.

Action Jackson
12-03-2006, 10:24 AM
boggo has a good year but no way he has the best challenger year of all these guys

Just biased Brits for the most part.

Klaas_nalbandian
12-03-2006, 10:40 AM
you are probably right, but he should have been on the shortlist.

with 3 wins and one final he was a decent option in the poll

CooCooCachoo
12-03-2006, 10:44 AM
with 3 wins and one final he was a decent option in the poll

As were:


Simon Greul
Diego Hartfield
Hyung-Taik Lee
Florian Mayer
Sam Querrey
Danai Udomchoke
Andre Ghem
Pablo Andujar
Frank Dancevic
Amer Delic
Kristian Pless
Maximo Gonzalez
Alexander Peya
Scott Lipsky
Marcelo Melo
Werner Eschauer
Lamine OuahabBogdanovic has not done well enough to be among the Top 10 best Challenger players of 2006. He has done well, but, really, the events he won were not the biggest either. And his results in doubles have been rather poor.

CooCooCachoo
12-03-2006, 10:47 AM
Just to clarify:

Wrexham, $25K+H
Bergamo, $50K+H
Shrewsbury, $25K+H

And a final in a $125K+H.

Again, good, but look at the variety of players who have done even better. $25K+Hs are not that special. Then, I would rate Granollers-Pujol's collection of finals, one victory and a near perfect performance in doubles higher :shrug:

Count Zero
12-03-2006, 10:51 AM
then why is mahut in the poll? 3 titles, 3 qf's and 2 doubles wins.

boggo only entered 2 challenger doubles i think, and one of those reached the sf's, beating turnunov on the way, hhm didnt tha guy juts win a dc final rubber in the doubles.

CooCooCachoo
12-03-2006, 10:55 AM
then why is mahut in the poll? 3 titles, 3 qf's and 2 doubles wins.

boggo only entered 2 challenger doubles i think, and one of those reached the sf's, beating turnunov on the way, hhm didnt tha guy juts win a dc final rubber in the doubles.

Cause the tournaments he won were bigger and had a better field. Because he actually did well in doubles (you know, doubles are a vital part of tennis? Doing well there means you are doing well as a Challenger player; if you don't play, it is detriment to your status as Challenger player in this poll). Because he played himself out of the Challenger circuit and into the ATP level and thus played considerably fewer Challengers than Bogdanovic.

ltaravilse
12-03-2006, 11:02 AM
What's a bagel?

Count Zero
12-03-2006, 11:04 AM
bescanon that mahut won was a higher points, but also i'd suguest not as tough as bergmo which boggo won,

Count Zero
12-03-2006, 11:04 AM
What's a bagel?

when the set score is 6-0, i think some call it donughts too.

CooCooCachoo
12-03-2006, 11:08 AM
bescanon that mahut won was a higher points, but also i'd suguest not as tough as bergmo which boggo won,

Wrexham :shrug:
Shrewsbury :shrug:

Again, I am not saying anything to discredit Alex, but you are blind if you can't see other players have done better. Supporting your favourites is good; zealous nationalism is taking it too far.

Count Zero
12-03-2006, 11:14 AM
if u look back to p4 i agree, boggo shouldn't win, he hasnt had he best year, and has had some dodgy loses too, but i am only argung for his inclusion as a contender, i am also not trying to put mahut down, hes had a great year, but this poll does kind of become a c22, players who do too well cant count as they move up and beyond it.

CooCooCachoo
12-03-2006, 11:32 AM
if u look back to p4 i agree, boggo shouldn't win, he hasnt had he best year, and has had some dodgy loses too, but i am only argung for his inclusion as a contender, i am also not trying to put mahut down, hes had a great year, but this poll does kind of become a c22, players who do too well cant count as they move up and beyond it.

I don't agree :shrug: But that is why the option Other is there ;) :wavey:

Count Zero
12-03-2006, 11:35 AM
lol maybe we should just agree to disagree :)

Forever-Delayed
12-03-2006, 12:28 PM
As much as I want to vote for Boggo in this, being a huge fan of him, there are players who have had better years than him so I can't

Has to be Hajek to win, as he had a great run of wins in the clay events, qualifying for some of them, and now is conformatably playing ATP

Roitman and Canas had great years as well, but Hajek gets the edge on doing his stuff earlier in the year and making more of a move, whilst Canas should be top 20/30 rather than playing challengers, so he can't really be considered as a challenger player

Davidcuervacho
12-03-2006, 12:50 PM
I vote Sergio Roitman :)

Drew37
12-03-2006, 07:32 PM
Just biased Brits for the most part.

"just biased brits"....give it a rest....we dont have that many players so you will find that most brit tennis fans will back our men all the way...sure he is not the best at challenger level but with all the flak he has got this year...some of it deserved....he still managed to get his highest ranking...and win 3 events.

eric
12-03-2006, 08:42 PM
Hajek ,who never appeared on a grand slam or atp tour draw before this year,and started 2006 with a low ranking , seems to suit the most as my "challenger player" . So , HAJEK for my vote .
To Nathaliia : Behrend just won yesterday 61 64 ( indoor clay) vs. Thomann in french national clubs'championship ( I was there ! ), lost in doubles two hours later, and may he play as well in 2007 !

Nathaliia
12-03-2006, 10:30 PM
Eric, to tell you more, I think Tommy Vanhoudt was playing there with Tati Rascon. :tape:

Sorry I don't feel like participating in that biased or unbiased discussion about Boggo, but I'm in the mood of making love not war :crazy:

Grinder
12-03-2006, 10:51 PM
I voted Jan Hajek, not only because of his four challenger titles and one final, but also because of the quality of the events he won. Three of his titles and his one final came in at least 100K+H challengers, usually meaning tougher fields. He also had some impressive wins during the clay court season like Hrbaty, Berdych, Vicente, Roitman, and Sluiter just to name a few. He made it to the top 75 solely on challenger results, all in all a very impressive year for Jan. His straight set route of Dlouhy at the USO and decent showing against Gonzo suggest that his transition to the ATP level won't be as painful as it was for guys like Berlocq and post South American swing Pashanski.



I think Olivier Patience is also worth a mention.




http://flagspot.net/misc/wfr.gif Olivier Patience
http://sports.voila.fr/fr/tennis/images/fiches/patienceolivier.jpg

2006 Singles:

W (3):
San Remo ($25K+H, Clay)
Lugano ($100K+H, Clay)
Reggio Emilia ($25K+H, Clay)

SF (2):
St. Brieuc ($25K+H, Clay)
Tarragona ($50K+H, Hard)

*Also reached an ATP semifinal in Costa de Sauipe with wins over Gaudio, Pashanski, and Sabau

Hrastar
12-03-2006, 11:13 PM
Voted for Jan Hajek and (not) surprisingly figured out, that in fact I agree with the majority on this forum. Yes, Alex did quite solid this year, but should have better IMO.

TWO THUMBS UP FOR YOUR AWESOME STUFF CooCooCachoo!
:rocker: :music: :rocker2: :hatoff: :woohoo: :bowdown: :clap2: :bounce: :worship:

goslabs
12-04-2006, 06:41 AM
Eric, to tell you more, I think Tommy Vanhoudt was playing there with Tati Rascon. :tape:

Sorry I don't feel like participating in that biased or unbiased discussion about Boggo, but I'm in the mood of making love not war :crazy:

Did you say you'd met Alex Slabinsky, Nathaliia ?

sheffsteel
12-04-2006, 10:08 AM
Yes, he has had a good year, but has his year been better than, say, Hajek's, Roitman's and so on?

I agree Boggo might not be the Number 1 choice but he definitely should be on the shortlist, maybe if you think we are biased for him you should admit you are biased against him. :mad:

A drug cheat that should be banned for life and has only played since september is above him, so is Granollers Pujol, Behrend & Mamiit. You can reach Challenger doubles final's before you play someone who wants to win sometimes so that's a joke.

I'm voting for Hajek but Boggo's up there in top few. :worship:

BAN DRUG CHEATS FOR LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sheffsteel
12-04-2006, 10:09 AM
Thanks for doing the poll, by the way!! :)

Action Jackson
12-04-2006, 10:14 AM
"just biased brits"....give it a rest....we dont have that many players so you will find that most brit tennis fans will back our men all the way...sure he is not the best at challenger level but with all the flak he has got this year...some of it deserved....he still managed to get his highest ranking...and win 3 events.

Problem is you invented the game and nearly everyone is better. Most people think the tennis season is only 2 weeks long during Wimbledon.

Wass he better than Hajek this season? The answer is no.
Was he better than Cañas or Roitman? No

As Grinder said, even Patience is worth a mention. Bogdanovic he could have been listed on the poll, but there is always the other option.

Morgan Z
12-04-2006, 11:31 AM
Problem is you invented the game and nearly everyone is better. Most people think the tennis season is only 2 weeks long during Wimbledon.



Wrong. 4 weeks maybe, but not 2. Grass season lasts for 4 weeks out here.


And that has absolutely nothing to do with this. I am pretty sure that people who follow Boggo's Challengers see tennis for more than two (or four) weeks.

CooCooCachoo
12-04-2006, 11:56 AM
"just biased brits"....give it a rest....we dont have that many players so you will find that most brit tennis fans will back our men all the way...sure he is not the best at challenger level but with all the flak he has got this year...some of it deserved....he still managed to get his highest ranking...and win 3 events.

I won't disagree :dance:

CooCooCachoo
12-04-2006, 11:57 AM
Voted for Jan Hajek and (not) surprisingly figured out, that in fact I agree with the majority on this forum. Yes, Alex did quite solid this year, but should have better IMO.

TWO THUMBS UP FOR YOUR AWESOME STUFF CooCooCachoo!
:rocker: :music: :rocker2: :hatoff: :woohoo: :bowdown: :clap2: :bounce: :worship:

Thanks :banana: :dance:

CooCooCachoo
12-04-2006, 11:59 AM
I agree Boggo might not be the Number 1 choice but he definitely should be on the shortlist, maybe if you think we are biased for him you should admit you are biased against him. :mad:

A drug cheat that should be banned for life and has only played since september is above him, so is Granollers Pujol, Behrend & Mamiit. You can reach Challenger doubles final's before you play someone who wants to win sometimes so that's a joke.

I'm voting for Hajek but Boggo's up there in top few. :worship:

BAN DRUG CHEATS FOR LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seriously, I am not biased against him :lol: I don't care for him more or less than Hajek, Roitman, Devilder, Granollers-Pujol or Mamiit, in fact more than for Mahut and only less than Behrend :shrug: I am not biased, but I am trying to be objective.

And I disagree about your taxation of Challenger doubles. They are quite competitive events, at least the ones where Behrend and Mamiit were successful :wavey:

pkubik
12-04-2006, 01:18 PM
My vote goes to Simone Bolelli ;)

Super-Fabio
12-04-2006, 02:43 PM
Jan Hajek

TenArg
12-04-2006, 06:34 PM
My vote is for Hajek (just ahead of Roitman). Jan had a great year and he might be the ATP level surprise of 2.007. And for Cañas....well, he is not a Challenger Player, he is Top 10 and he proved it in his short but extremely successful 2.006 challenger series.

jezzaUK
12-04-2006, 08:24 PM
I voted for Bogdanovic, because I haven't given up on him.

CooCooCachoo
12-04-2006, 08:33 PM
I voted for Bogdanovic, because I haven't given up on him.

:lol: That's a nice reason to think he is the best Challenger player of the year :lol:

:ignore:

CooCooCachoo
12-04-2006, 08:34 PM
Oh well, seems it's between Hajek, Bogdanovic [:tape:] and Cañas, and perhaps Roitman, then for the honour :dance:

Action Jackson
12-05-2006, 03:50 AM
If Bogdanovic is challenger player of the year, then the kindest thing that could be said is that it's a joke.

~EMiLiTA~
12-05-2006, 04:07 AM
jan hajek :rocker2:

Nathaliia
12-05-2006, 09:58 AM
Did you say you'd met Alex Slabinsky, Nathaliia ?
No I haven't :p Yet.
I agree Boggo might not be the Number 1 choice but he definitely should be on the shortlist, maybe if you think we are biased for him you should admit you are biased against him. :mad:

A drug cheat that should be banned for life and has only played since september is above him, so is Granollers Pujol, Behrend & Mamiit. You can reach Challenger doubles final's before you play someone who wants to win sometimes so that's a joke.

I'm voting for Hajek but Boggo's up there in top few. :worship:

BAN DRUG CHEATS FOR LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't like these doping allegations now in here. That case has been discussed many times and closed now. If he plays, it means he can play. It was half an accident and he's not the only player that had to be through it, not getting into details, people who don't know whole Rusedski story may call him a shame for sports and wish him being banned for life as well.

mike55
12-05-2006, 10:25 AM
I vote for Alex Bogdanovic, Career high this year 114, won 3 challenger events, greatly improved this year.

sheffsteel
12-05-2006, 03:03 PM
No I haven't :p Yet.


I don't like these doping allegations now in here. That case has been discussed many times and closed now. If he plays, it means he can play. It was half an accident and he's not the only player that had to be through it, not getting into details, people who don't know whole Rusedski story may call him a shame for sports and wish him being banned for life as well.

It's not an allegation he's a convicted cheat, Rusedski's not, and he only played for 3 months of the year anyway, how can he be player of the year?

Anyway, I voted for Hajek, so you cant blame me

dancy_fan
12-05-2006, 10:06 PM
I vote for Jan Hajek.
Also I would like to congradulate Frank Dancevic for this year's effort.
-Started 2006 Year at #188 atp. ranking.
-Won Waikoloa, Granby
-Finals Basancon,Atlanta
-Semi Cherbourg, San Luis Potosi
-Second part of the year playet ATP events.
-Career high this year #82 atp
-Finished year #88 Atp.
****Also thanks to all of you wonderful people that support tennis as a sport and players from all over the world***********

LaTenista
12-06-2006, 03:17 AM
I voted for Willy, winning 4 challengers in 3 months after being away from the tour since Wimbledon 2005 was just amazing. :worship:

CooCooCachoo
12-06-2006, 05:15 PM
So, Hajek, Cañas or Bogdanovic? :)

dippykitty
12-06-2006, 07:30 PM
I'm voting for Bogdanovic.

CooCooCachoo
12-06-2006, 09:21 PM
:rolls:

British zealots :dance:

jole
12-06-2006, 10:07 PM
:rolls:

British zealots :dance:

People have -made accounts- to come vote on this. :D

Hats off for designing a popular poll tho. :p

JMG
12-07-2006, 09:38 AM
The British campaign won't succeed. Not all of those 19 'other' voters have voted for Bogdanovic. Then you also have to take out the multiple accounts ( goslabs :wavey: ).

Nathaliia
12-07-2006, 09:42 AM
Multiple accounts are not allowed on this board :armed:

But hey I was thinking of making a poll for the "most popular" player of the year... With all the Boggos, Sarettas, Danis, Lisnards etc. :p

sheffsteel
12-07-2006, 11:39 AM
The British campaign won't succeed. Not all of those 19 'other' voters have voted for Bogdanovic. Then you also have to take out the multiple accounts ( goslabs :wavey: ).

What British campaign ? I voted for Hajek, Steven voted for someone else, I think people just felt that Boggo should have been included on the shortlist and that has been borne out by the votes, you've also got to admit that it's far easier to vote for the others than Boggo, because you actually have to write a message with your boggo vote whereas the other are automatic.

CooCooCachoo
12-07-2006, 04:44 PM
The British campaign won't succeed. Not all of those 19 'other' voters have voted for Bogdanovic. Then you also have to take out the multiple accounts ( goslabs :wavey: ).

I know it won't succeed, but he is still #3 ;)

scarecrows
12-07-2006, 05:36 PM
I wonder how many non-british voted for Boggo

guille&tati4life
12-08-2006, 03:29 PM
I have loyalty to Tipsarevic, but he's not getting my vote as he should have been off winning the US Open instead of playing challengers :p.

Hajek has been great.

But, i'm voting for Canas as he came back from so long out and has been sensational. Welcome back Wily :worship:

Nathaliia
12-09-2006, 10:06 AM
There is a very close fights between Willy and Hajek.

Also Boggo (counted alone) has got his chances.

For a reminder, you can vote till the end of December. To check which people voted for which player, feel free to click these numbers in bold.

johnnylad
12-09-2006, 08:22 PM
Cecil Mamitt was nominated above Bogdanovic.
LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CooCooCachoo
12-09-2006, 08:46 PM
Cecil Mamitt was nominated above Bogdanovic.
LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Has Boggo won six $50K doubles titles in strong events (doubles-wise)?

Boggo has done better in singles, yes, but Mamiit still records a Challenger win and a final, on two diff surfaces, together with three semis and two QFs. Plus, he did so not in $25Ks like Shrewsbury or Wrexham or whatever, but in $50Ks. Boggo records one somewhat notable doubles result.

Horatio Caine
12-10-2006, 02:36 PM
Martijn...you seem to losing the fight as concerns votes for Boggo ;) :lol:

Nathaliia
12-10-2006, 02:38 PM
Willy Cańas is winning it anyway :armed: :p

sheffsteel
12-10-2006, 04:45 PM
Has Boggo won six $50K doubles titles in strong events (doubles-wise)?

Boggo has done better in singles, yes, but Mamiit still records a Challenger win and a final, on two diff surfaces, together with three semis and two QFs. Plus, he did so not in $25Ks like Shrewsbury or Wrexham or whatever, but in $50Ks. Boggo records one somewhat notable doubles result.

Boggo only played dubs once and got to the semi's of a 125K , you cant compare doubles achievements at challenger level with winning singles titles.

Who says? The 119 people that havent voted for Mamiit against the 2 that have :devil: :lol:

CooCooCachoo
12-10-2006, 05:04 PM
Martijn...you seem to losing the fight as concerns votes for Boggo ;) :lol:

Not really. There's currently 19.64% who voted for Other, and not all of them voted for Bogdanovic. That leaves a vast majority who voted for a more deserving players. And if we take out the British zealots, then it's 100% against 0% ;)

CooCooCachoo
12-10-2006, 05:06 PM
Boggo only played dubs once and got to the semi's of a 125K , you cant compare doubles achievements at challenger level with winning singles titles.

Who says? The 119 people that havent voted for Mamiit against the 2 that have :devil: :lol:

Uhm, yes you can. The titles Bogdanovic has won were not all very good tournaments. The US Challengers on hard court have very good doubles teams competing.

And if you don't play, it can't get you in the poll either. So maybe he is quite good in doubles, but then he should play more often.

Horatio Caine
12-10-2006, 08:08 PM
Uhm, yes you can. The titles Bogdanovic has won were not all very good tournaments. The US Challengers on hard court have very good doubles teams competing.

And if you don't play, it can't get you in the poll either. So maybe he is quite good in doubles, but then he should play more often.

Mate, the poll is for challenger player of the year, no? You ask people to choose...let them bloody well choose! :mad: Boggo wasn't the greatest out there this year, I agree. But still, if others want to choose him, let them!

As for talking about comparing events...that's bull. He won 3 titles this year and has shown huge improvement on the last 12-24 months...isn't that better than someone who constantly stays in challengers or has fallen down to challenger level? :shrug:

Klaas_nalbandian
12-10-2006, 08:18 PM
to me hajek still has to win this thing because i don't consider canas as a challenger player

JMG
12-10-2006, 08:19 PM
Boggo only played dubs once and got to the semi's of a 125K , you cant compare doubles achievements at challenger level with winning singles titles.

Who says? The 119 people that havent voted for Mamiit against the 2 that have :devil: :lol:

Well, for an unbiased person, there's no reason to vote Mamiit the best challenger player, but the same you can say about Bogdanovic, Granollers and Behrend.

On the other hand, if the unbiased voters had to make a top 10 list for the season, Mamiit would have a good chance to score more voting points than Bogdanovic.

shotgun
12-10-2006, 08:21 PM
I don't understand how a guy who played only three months of the season can be considered challenger player of the year. I mean Canas had a great comeback and all, but:

1- He has never been a typical challenger player. We all know he belongs in the top 50 at least and will be back to ATP level shortly.
2- Wildcards made it much easier for him to advance that many ranking positions in such a short period of time.
3- All the time he wasn't playing, he was training. It's not like he was injured or anything.

johnnylad
12-11-2006, 10:56 PM
Challenger Doubles victories cannot be counted as good or as important as the singles!!!!

WE're not being zealots, you are the one who made a mistake by not nominating him, and now are too proud to accept he should have been nominated and will probably be voted 3rd or 4th. That's all we ask.

dancy_fan
12-12-2006, 12:49 AM
Here is some information regarding 2007 Chalenger leader as per ATP Player's Weekly Issue #40 (November-13/06)

PLAYER RECORD WIN% TITLE
[I]Nicolas Devider 44-19 .698 4
Jan Hacek 33-8 .805 4
Janko Tipsarevic 31-8 .795 3
Frank Dancevic 32-12 .727 2
Simone Bolleli 32-15 .681 2

* Players with at least 30 wins.
This isn't a latest statistics but gives you some ideas how ATP ranks players!!

CooCooCachoo
12-12-2006, 08:19 AM
Challenger Doubles victories cannot be counted as good or as important as the singles!!!!

WE're not being zealots, you are the one who made a mistake by not nominating him, and now are too proud to accept he should have been nominated and will probably be voted 3rd or 4th. That's all we ask.

I am not too proud :shrug: I would say maybe Dancevic should be included, but definitely not Bogdanovic :lol:

And yes, Jez, you are right about progress, but his results have just not been good enough to warrant a nomination.

I seriously wonder how many Britons would have voted for Bogdanovic if he had not been British. Actually, I don't wonder. I know.

Nathaliia
12-12-2006, 09:57 AM
As for doubles, we are being politically correct, 2 best doubles player made it into the poll. For example I am a very big fan of doubles games.

dancy_fan, thanks for the stats :wavey:

As for Willy Cańas, I have to agree with Renato, though my perfect imagination of challenger player - makes it for Berlocq, Dlouhy ;) But it was Willy who played challs this year, and did it very well during the short period of time. We shouldn't exclude him for the fact he belongs to top 20 :).

Maya_4
12-12-2006, 10:15 AM
VOTED:wavey:

:D :D :D TIPSAREVIC:D :D :D

Pea
12-12-2006, 07:40 PM
LOL@all those Boggofans!:lol:

I think Janko winning 2 of the biggest challengers seals the deal for me.:cool:

Drew37
12-12-2006, 09:17 PM
Full Challenger results for 2006 :

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/4436/chall01kf2.jpg
http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/7466/chall02ug5.jpg
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/9937/chall03nc8.jpg
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/5104/chall04ex6.jpg
http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/199/chall05xs8.jpg
http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/4755/chall06qx1.jpg

Below is the summary table....countries with most wins.

http://img472.imageshack.us/img472/3998/chovergr9.jpg

jole
12-13-2006, 03:05 AM
Full Challenger results for 2006 :

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/4436/chall01kf2.jpg
http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/7466/chall02ug5.jpg
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/9937/chall03nc8.jpg
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/5104/chall04ex6.jpg
http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/199/chall05xs8.jpg
http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/4755/chall06qx1.jpg

Below is the summary table....countries with most wins.

http://img472.imageshack.us/img472/3998/chovergr9.jpg

That table is missing Atlanta won by Diego Hartfield and I guess more.

CooCooCachoo
12-13-2006, 09:15 AM
Full Challenger results for 2006 :


http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/7466/chall02ug5.jpg
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/9937/chall03nc8.jpg
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/5104/chall04ex6.jpg
http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/199/chall05xs8.jpg
http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/4755/chall06qx1.jpg

Below is the summary table....countries with most wins.

http://img472.imageshack.us/img472/3998/chovergr9.jpg


http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=88293

More useful information in this thread :wavey:

Drew37
12-13-2006, 12:25 PM
That table is missing Atlanta won by Diego Hartfield and I guess more.

Its not missing......look at May 1st 2006....and why do you say 'and I guess more'....all I was trying to do was give a list overview of the winners..just trying to be informative :confused:

Drew37
12-13-2006, 12:28 PM
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=88293

More useful information in this thread :wavey:

'More useful'....no just a different type of summary list of each tournament... which I enjoyed reading through....this is a bit shorter and gives members a quick look at who won where and when.

I Think both lists are 'useful' :)

jole
12-13-2006, 06:59 PM
Its not missing......look at May 1st 2006....and why do you say 'and I guess more'....all I was trying to do was give a list overview of the winners..just trying to be informative :confused:

It was not showing yesterday on my computer after reloading several times, a whole month or two was missing, hence why I said more may be missing.

CooCooCachoo
12-13-2006, 09:34 PM
'More useful'....no just a different type of summary list of each tournament... which I enjoyed reading through....this is a bit shorter and gives members a quick look at who won where and when.

I Think both lists are 'useful' :)

OK, but I am all for equality, so I find it more useful if doubles is also mentioned :lol: :p

Doubles :rocker:

johnnylad
12-14-2006, 09:41 AM
Last time I checked 25K events were still called challengers.
You can't say he only won 2 25k's and discount that because this is for challenger player of the year.
So Canas played for only a little while, and Boggo maybe played smaller ones but they are all CHALLENGERS.

Yes you were wrong about Dancevic as well. Well done but still can't accpet Bogdanovic mistake eh? Be a man and admit it.

guille&tati4life
12-14-2006, 10:26 AM
Sometimes i'm ashamed to be British :awww:

Mate, the poll is for challenger player of the year, no? You ask people to choose...let them bloody well choose! :mad: Boggo wasn't the greatest out there this year, I agree. But still, if others want to choose him, let them!

As for talking about comparing events...that's bull. He won 3 titles this year and has shown huge improvement on the last 12-24 months...isn't that better than someone who constantly stays in challengers or has fallen down to challenger level? :shrug:

By this logic, anyone who played a challenger event should be in the poll :rolleyes:

As for the 2nd part :rolleyes: as you pointed out, it's challenger player of the year. If a guy has the ability of world no1 but has to play challengers and wins them, then he can still be challenger player of the year. How good he should be doing in the rankings is irrelevant. It's about how good he did in challenger events.


Last time I checked 25K events were still called challengers.
You can't say he only won 2 25k's and discount that because this is for challenger player of the year.
So Canas played for only a little while, and Boggo maybe played smaller ones but they are all CHALLENGERS.

Yes you were wrong about Dancevic as well. Well done but still can't accpet Bogdanovic mistake eh? Be a man and admit it.

Of course, some challengers (just like some atp tournaments) are more important than others.

Don't you think that inferior players play in the 25K challengers? You seem to suggest that 25Ks should be considered as important as other challengers despite the inferior standard.
If this is what you are saying then it implies that in an ATP player of the year vote you would claim tournaments like... Umag carry the same importance as grand slams. I doubt many people would agree ;)

:rolleyes: It clearly isn't about "being a man", or else why correct the Dancevic mistake?

johnnylad
12-14-2006, 12:25 PM
I'm not suggesting 25k's are as good as bigger challengers or Umag of all tournaments should carry weight against Grand Slams.

The point was made in response to Bogdanovic's two 25K wins being passed over by the anti-British zealots and pointing out that they fit into the category of voting so shouldn't be passed over.

Tennis players play at the level their rankings allows them to. So the vote isn't necessarily for most successful player of the year in terms of prize money or rankings points but for players who perform well at their level.

I agree that because the challenger level is so broad its hard to do this, but cannot accept the weak arguments coming back about Bogdanovic. He had a better year than many who were nominated and the mods missed it, and can't show the grace to back down and accept it.

I'm ashamed you're British too. One of those lily livered types who William Wallace etc would have hated

Morgan Z
12-14-2006, 01:19 PM
By the way, if this poll is supposed to give equal preference to singles and doubles, why doesn't it have specialist doubles players in there? :confused:

You have Tipsy in there, who has had just 4 wins in 11 attempts in doubles, and many of those came against inferior players. So he is very much a singles player.

You can't really argue that you are giving them equal priority, because you don't have a single doubles specialist in there.

johnnylad
12-14-2006, 01:42 PM
Mamiit is only in there for doubles but........

Morgan Z
12-14-2006, 01:50 PM
Canas a Challenger player? Lol!!!

He just played for a few months and should have won all those events with the talent that he has. Honestly..... he can get back to the top 30 very soon.


You should have Dmitry Tursunov in there then. :devil: Why isn't he there? He played two of the biggest Challengers in the world and won both. ;)
It's highly unfair if you have Canas in there and not Dima.

I find the comment about our 25K+Hs being weak extremely funny. What about the futures-in-disguise Challengers Tipsy was playing in Uzbekistan?

Morgan Z
12-14-2006, 01:54 PM
Mamiit is only in there for doubles but........

Mamiit is there for both singles and doubles. You have specialist singles players like tipsy, but not specialist doubles players like Jamie Murray.

So worthy moderators and moderatoresses, stop saying that you people treat singles and doubles with equal respect, because you don't. :(

guille&tati4life
12-14-2006, 06:13 PM
I'm not suggesting 25k's are as good as bigger challengers or Umag of all tournaments should carry weight against Grand Slams.

The point was made in response to Bogdanovic's two 25K wins being passed over by the anti-British zealots and pointing out that they fit into the category of voting so shouldn't be passed over.

Tennis players play at the level their rankings allows them to. So the vote isn't necessarily for most successful player of the year in terms of prize money or rankings points but for players who perform well at their level.

I agree that because the challenger level is so broad its hard to do this, but cannot accept the weak arguments coming back about Bogdanovic. He had a better year than many who were nominated and the mods missed it, and can't show the grace to back down and accept it.

I'm ashamed you're British too. One of those lily livered types who William Wallace etc would have hated

They fit into the category but someone playing 25K challengers would have to have an incredible season to be compared to people playing at a higher level to rival them for such an award.

Anti-British??? :confused: Cos they didn't select Bogdanovic they are anti-British? :haha:

lily livered means that i'm cowardly. I don't quite understand how my previous post was cowardly. To be honest, i don't care what William Wallace would have thought of me :lol: and i find it unbelievably funny that you think you know what a 13th century man would have thought of me.

CooCooCachoo
12-14-2006, 08:56 PM
Mamiit is there for both singles and doubles. You have specialist singles players like tipsy, but not specialist doubles players like Jamie Murray.

So worthy moderators and moderatoresses, stop saying that you people treat singles and doubles with equal respect, because you don't. :(

:shrug: I know Mamiit is not a doubles specialist per se, but it's his doubles results that got him here, together with some decent singles results. For Tomas Behrend that is even more the case. Marcel Granollers-Pujol would not have been there without doubles.

CooCooCachoo
12-14-2006, 09:00 PM
Canas a Challenger player? Lol!!!

He just played for a few months and should have won all those events with the talent that he has. Honestly..... he can get back to the top 30 very soon.


You should have Dmitry Tursunov in there then. :devil: Why isn't he there? He played two of the biggest Challengers in the world and won both. ;)
It's highly unfair if you have Canas in there and not Dima.

I find the comment about our 25K+Hs being weak extremely funny. What about the futures-in-disguise Challengers Tipsy was playing in Uzbekistan?

I understand the arguments about Cañas and I fully support them, however it would be wrong to leave him out based on his results. Tursunov did not have to play Challengers and when he did, his win/loss ratio was awesome, but he did not work his way up. Cañas did, through WCs, SEs and stuff. The way he fought back is amazing and worthy of recognition.

And I already mentioned that those Challengers Tipsarevic played are weak. Incidentally, they are also $25K+Hs :) But Janko won Belgrade and Mons, two events that are a few times tougher than Shrewsbury or Wrexham or whatever.

CooCooCachoo
12-14-2006, 09:01 PM
Last time I checked 25K events were still called challengers.
You can't say he only won 2 25k's and discount that because this is for challenger player of the year.
So Canas played for only a little while, and Boggo maybe played smaller ones but they are all CHALLENGERS.

Yes you were wrong about Dancevic as well. Well done but still can't accpet Bogdanovic mistake eh? Be a man and admit it.

I won't admit it, as I did not make a mistake. Nor did Nathaliia.

Your logic is that $75Ks, $50Ks, $25Ks and others should all be treated alike? I don't agree. But there is the option Other for those who think that it is :wavey:

CooCooCachoo
12-14-2006, 09:03 PM
By the way, if this poll is supposed to give equal preference to singles and doubles, why doesn't it have specialist doubles players in there? :confused:

You have Tipsy in there, who has had just 4 wins in 11 attempts in doubles, and many of those came against inferior players. So he is very much a singles player.

You can't really argue that you are giving them equal priority, because you don't have a single doubles specialist in there.

Because the specialist doubles players simply did not do as well as the likes of Behrend, Granollers-Pujol etc. Lipsky and Martin have had a good season, Murray too, but not good enough to top some of these guys. Look at the list of titles and finals and see for yourself.

Morgan Z
12-15-2006, 03:36 AM
I understand the arguments about Cañas and I fully support them, however it would be wrong to leave him out based on his results. Tursunov did not have to play Challengers and when he did, his win/loss ratio was awesome, but he did not work his way up. Cañas did, through WCs, SEs and stuff. The way he fought back is amazing and worthy of recognition.




Canas' fightback isn't worthy of special recognition. It wasn't like he was injured or something. He wasn't there due to his own fault! And he was training hard all this while, not like he was unable to.


And that's ridiculous. Since when was the title of the poll "The 2006 I-needed-to-play-challengers Challenger Player of the year thread"? :confused: This is the "The 2006 Challenger Player of the Year Thread", meaning all players who played Challengers should be considered. Tursunov played Challengers and that means that he is a Challenger player.
We are supposed to vote for the person with the best Challenger record in the year, and Dima is a worthy candidate and must be nominated.

Morgan Z
12-15-2006, 03:53 AM
Because the specialist doubles players simply did not do as well as the likes of Behrend, Granollers-Pujol etc. Lipsky and Martin have had a good season, Murray too, but not good enough to top some of these guys. Look at the list of titles and finals and see for yourself.

No one is contesting the fact that Granollers-Pujol had a season superior to Jamie Murray's.

You said that you consider singles and doubles to be equally good. Therefore you can't have Tipsy in there without having Murray.

Tipsy's singles highlights:
Titles - 4 including two Challengers which were worse than some Futures.
Finals - 1.
SFs - 1.
Number of top 100 singles players defeated - 1.

Jamie's doubles highlights:
Titles - 1.
Finals - 6.
SFs - 3.
Number of top 100 doubles players defeated - 4. (Consider the fact that he plays against two players at the same time, so divide it by 2 and you get 4/2 = 2).

And also the rankings jumps between January and December -

Tipsy in singles - 140 to 64.
Jamie in doubles - 281 to 77.

You didn't nominate Jamie in there, so don't pretend that you treat singles and doubles equally.

Morgan Z
12-15-2006, 05:02 AM
And I already mentioned that those Challengers Tipsarevic played are weak. Incidentally, they are also $25K+Hs :) But Janko won Belgrade and Mons, two events that are a few times tougher than Shrewsbury or Wrexham or whatever.


It's got nothing to do with the prize money on offer. This is tennis that we are playing. What matters is the strength of the field, which is not always related directly to money.

Tipsy's good performances came in -

Belgrade: Cut was 174.
Bukhara: Cut was 429. The WCs went to really ordinary players!
Mons: Cut was 179.
Samarkand: Cut was 486. Not only 15K+Hs, but even 15K Futures are better at times!:eek: The WCs went to really ordinary players!
Dresden: Cut was 204.

Bogdanovic's good performances came in -

Bergamo: Cut was 243.
Wrexham: Cut was 245.
Mons: Cut was 179.
Shrewsbury: Cut was 281.

How exactly are Belgrade and Mons "a few times tougher" than Shrewsbury and Wrexham?? :confused:

But Shrewsbury and Wrexham are indeed a few times tougher than Samarkand and Bukhara. :)

CooCooCachoo
12-15-2006, 08:55 AM
Canas' fightback isn't worthy of special recognition. It wasn't like he was injured or something. He wasn't there due to his own fault! And he was training hard all this while, not like he was unable to.


And that's ridiculous. Since when was the title of the poll "The 2006 I-needed-to-play-challengers Challenger Player of the year thread"? :confused: This is the "The 2006 Challenger Player of the Year Thread", meaning all players who played Challengers should be considered. Tursunov played Challengers and that means that he is a Challenger player.
We are supposed to vote for the person with the best Challenger record in the year, and Dima is a worthy candidate and must be nominated.

You can start your separate poll. Frankly, I am fed up with all your posts saying what is wrong, wrong and wrong. If you try to make a selection, you will find that people will always complain. No player is excluded in this poll. You can vote for each and every single one of them :wavey:

CooCooCachoo
12-15-2006, 08:56 AM
It's got nothing to do with the prize money on offer. This is tennis that we are playing. What matters is the strength of the field, which is not always related directly to money.

Tipsy's good performances came in -

Belgrade: Cut was 174.
Bukhara: Cut was 429. The WCs went to really ordinary players!
Mons: Cut was 179.
Samarkand: Cut was 486. Not only 15K+Hs, but even 15K Futures are better at times!:eek: The WCs went to really ordinary players!
Dresden: Cut was 204.

Bogdanovic's good performances came in -

Bergamo: Cut was 243.
Wrexham: Cut was 245.
Mons: Cut was 179.
Shrewsbury: Cut was 281.

How exactly are Belgrade and Mons "a few times tougher" than Shrewsbury and Wrexham?? :confused:

But Shrewsbury and Wrexham are indeed a few times tougher than Samarkand and Bukhara. :)

Cuts do not really tell the big picture, now do they?

CooCooCachoo
12-15-2006, 08:59 AM
No one is contesting the fact that Granollers-Pujol had a season superior to Jamie Murray's.

You said that you consider singles and doubles to be equally good. Therefore you can't have Tipsy in there without having Murray.

Tipsy's singles highlights:
Titles - 4 including two Challengers which were worse than some Futures.
Finals - 1.
SFs - 1.
Number of top 100 singles players defeated - 1.

Jamie's doubles highlights:
Titles - 1.
Finals - 6.
SFs - 3.
Number of top 100 doubles players defeated - 4. (Consider the fact that he plays against two players at the same time, so divide it by 2 and you get 4/2 = 2).

And also the rankings jumps between January and December -

Tipsy in singles - 140 to 64.
Jamie in doubles - 281 to 77.

You didn't nominate Jamie in there, so don't pretend that you treat singles and doubles equally.

Now you are just funny :shrug: :lol: I mean, wanting Bogdanovic nominated is one thing, but now wanting Murray in as well is beyond ethnocentrism :haha: You have every right to believe Murray had a stellar season, ranking him above a lot of other players. And Nathaliia and I have the right to disagree. Again, vote for him in Other :wavey:

Morgan Z
12-15-2006, 11:01 AM
Now you are just funny :shrug: :lol: I mean, wanting Bogdanovic nominated is one thing, but now wanting Murray in as well is beyond ethnocentrism :haha: You have every right to believe Murray had a stellar season, ranking him above a lot of other players. And Nathaliia and I have the right to disagree.


Not for a moment have I said that Jamie Murray should be there. I said that you can't say that you consider singles and doubles to be equal and nominate Tipsy ahead of Jamie. (Personally I consider doubles to be inferior to singles and hence Boggo should be there ahead of people like Mamiit.)

You yourself have clearly indicated that you yourself don't rate singles and doubles in the same light by the comment that wanting Murray in there ahead of Tipsy is "beyond ethnocentrism". So please don't say otherwise!



Cuts do not really tell the big picture, now do they?

They definitely tell the big picture better than the prize money alloted. ;)




You can start your separate poll. Frankly, I am fed up with all your posts saying what is wrong, wrong and wrong. If you try to make a selection, you will find that people will always complain. No player is excluded in this poll. You can vote for each and every single one of them :wavey:

If you think that we can vote for Boggo in "Other", then stop attacking us for voting him. If we are allowed to vote for him, it means that we have every right to vote for him and it's highly unfair to call us "biased" or "zealots" just because of that.

And I mean this as a polite request and not an attack. This a poll and we have a right to vote for whoever we want. If you can't respect someone's opinion and take it, then you shouldn't be taking part in polls in the first place.

Vox populi vox Dei or whatever they say about democracies. :D

CooCooCachoo
12-15-2006, 11:14 AM
Not for a moment have I said that Jamie Murray should be there. I said that you can't say that you consider singles and doubles to be equal and nominate Tipsy ahead of Jamie. (Personally I consider doubles to be inferior to singles and hence Boggo should be there ahead of people like Mamiit.)

You yourself have clearly indicated that you yourself don't rate singles and doubles in the same light by the comment that wanting Murray in there ahead of Tipsy is "beyond ethnocentrism". So please don't say otherwise!

Three players are in that poll mostly because of their doubles results. And others because they have proven to be all-round. So what you are saying holds no truth.





They definitely tell the big picture better than the prize money alloted. ;)

Hmm, sometimes this is undeniably true. But the cut-off does not reflect the strength of a tournament.






If you think that we can vote for Boggo in "Other", then stop attacking us for voting him. If we are allowed to vote for him, it means that we have every right to vote for him and it's highly unfair to call us "biased" or "zealots" just because of that.

And I mean this as a polite request and not an attack. This a poll and we have a right to vote for whoever we want. If you can't respect someone's opinion and take it, then you shouldn't be taking part in polls in the first place.

Vox populi vox Dei or whatever they say about democracies. :D

Well, you are right of course. But I may have been too naïve in believing that people would actually vote rationally. And I was hoping for that. Zealot is the right term to use though, as is biased. And you are being myopic if you cannot see that.

sheffsteel
12-15-2006, 06:29 PM
It's so sad, you cant just say: "Yeah , we were wrong about Boggo, not the player of the year but definitely one of the top 10."

Shame! :mad:

Nathaliia
12-15-2006, 06:30 PM
And I still think the choices were made right.

JustJames
12-15-2006, 07:19 PM
I vote for Boggo :angel: ;)

But please guys..give Nathii and Tijn a break...their picks are very well chosen and they have put so much time into the challenger forum and know it inside out.

CooCooCachoo
12-15-2006, 08:12 PM
It's so sad, you cant just say: "Yeah , we were wrong about Boggo, not the player of the year but definitely one of the top 10."

Shame! :mad:

:lol: He is not Top 15 for me :wavey:

I have asked this question before (I am not sure if it was to you who I posed it) and did not get a reply. But if Bogdanovic would not have been British, would you have voted for him?

Klaas_nalbandian
12-15-2006, 09:00 PM
never ending discussion however in about two weeks it is 2007 so maybe then it stops

Nathaliia
12-15-2006, 09:21 PM
never ending discussion however in about two weeks it is 2007 so maybe then it stops

Thank you for not asking why Raemon Sluiter isn't in the poll. And seriously, I long for 2007 season :rocker2:

CooCooCachoo
12-15-2006, 09:36 PM
never ending discussion however in about two weeks it is 2007 so maybe then it stops

We have to keep ourselves busy until Noumea and Sao Paulo :devil:

johnnylad
12-17-2006, 02:33 PM
I won't admit it, as I did not make a mistake. Nor did Nathaliia.

Your logic is that $75Ks, $50Ks, $25Ks and others should all be treated alike? I don't agree. But there is the option Other for those who think that it is :wavey:

Thankyou! There is an option for those who think it was someone else. Which is what a lot of people seemed to think about Bogdanovic. Why give people the option then kick off like a baby when they use it in a way you don't like??? :confused:

To the Scot who's not bothered about his history! I do something called reading which enables me to learn about what people in the past were like, who they spent time with and what their opinions on things were. Most Scots (the people who made you what you are) still exist because they were not prepared to utter disgraceful comments like the one you wrote about being ashamed to be British.

Back to Tijn!
I would not have voted for Bogdanovic if I was not British, but I am, so I know the story of his performances and results in a way you do not. Granted you know much more about many of the other players and therefore have a right to your comments. It is just odd you won't accept the thoughts of so many and it comes across as being too proud

guille&tati4life
12-17-2006, 06:59 PM
Thankyou! There is an option for those who think it was someone else. Which is what a lot of people seemed to think about Bogdanovic. Why give people the option then kick off like a baby when they use it in a way you don't like??? :confused:

To the Scot who's not bothered about his history! I do something called reading which enables me to learn about what people in the past were like, who they spent time with and what their opinions on things were. Most Scots (the people who made you what you are) still exist because they were not prepared to utter disgraceful comments like the one you wrote about being ashamed to be British.

Back to Tijn!
I would not have voted for Bogdanovic if I was not British, but I am, so I know the story of his performances and results in a way you do not. Granted you know much more about many of the other players and therefore have a right to your comments. It is just odd you won't accept the thoughts of so many and it comes across as being too proud

I'm a history stuent :wavey:
So, tell me, why would a man who wanted an independant Scotland (not that i give a shit what he would have thought of me :lol: ) hate a person who said he was sometimes ashamed to be British. If you didn't notice, Wallace didn't have much time for all of the British, what with him killing lots of them :lol:.

I also also asked last time why he'd have found me "lily-livered" :confused:. Don't you have an answer for that? :sad:

I know :topic: sorry :o

johnnylad
12-18-2006, 07:55 AM
Weird that you're a history student who doesn't care about historic figures. I hope you fail.
Lily livered - not prepared to join in a fight, write politically correct namby pamby opinions in forums etc etc

sheffsteel
12-18-2006, 10:20 AM
:lol: I have asked this question before (I am not sure if it was to you who I posed it) and did not get a reply. But if Bogdanovic would not have been British, would you have voted for him?

Becoming boring now anyway, but no I wouldnt have voted for him if he wasnt british, because I didnt vote for him anyway, voted for Hajek as you can see.

I just thought he should have been in the poll, but he wasnt, so what?, lets move on. :wavey:

Alonsofz
12-18-2006, 12:04 PM
Sergio Roitman.

guille&tati4life
12-18-2006, 06:14 PM
Weird that you're a history student who doesn't care about historic figures. I hope you fail.
Lily livered - not prepared to join in a fight, write politically correct namby pamby opinions in forums etc etc

:scratch: Wasn't your problem that i said i was ashamed to be British? :confused: Doesn't seem like my politically correct namby pamby opinions please everyone.
Not prepared to join in a fight? :unsure: :lol: I did, your problem was i was on the other side of the argument.

Ok, that was my last post in this thread as it's got so far off topic. :wavey:

Eva Kas-Jacobson
12-29-2006, 05:29 PM
Hajek :worship:

Klaas_nalbandian
12-29-2006, 05:57 PM
Congrats to Guillermo,

CooCooCachoo
12-29-2006, 06:12 PM
Yes, congrats to Cañas :yeah:

Next year I don't hope to see him in this poll, as he is above this level :yeah: