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star
03-04-2004, 03:05 PM
Ha!!

I've taken advantage of Bunk's vacation! :devil:

Indian Wells, BABY!!!!!!!

It's gonna be great.

Havok
03-04-2004, 03:41 PM
:lol: nice name for the thread:yeah:

Deboogle!.
03-04-2004, 04:29 PM
LOL Star!!

LOVE the name! :)

When do they do draws for TMS tourneys? Should be relatively soon, no?

andysgrl08
03-04-2004, 04:35 PM
ya really i want to see who is playing who

tangerine_dream
03-04-2004, 05:00 PM
LOL. Nice thread title, star. :yeah:

MisterQ
03-04-2004, 05:39 PM
Your title rolls of the tongue much better than mine:
Wishing at the Native American Water-Procuring Devices ;)

J. Corwin
03-05-2004, 08:55 AM
lol.

Draws should be out on Friday. (I think)

jtipson
03-05-2004, 09:26 AM
Draw is done on Tuesday, 1pm local time (according to the IW site). Play in the men's draw starts next Friday and since all seeds will get 1st round byes, Andy & co won't be playing until next weekend I guess.

(Slightly OT: it's amazing that with two weeks to play a tournament, how they can still schedule semis and final on consecutive days. What's wrong with these folks?)

WyveN
03-05-2004, 09:43 AM
same happens at USO, Jtipson

J. Corwin
03-05-2004, 10:07 AM
Wow, I was just going to come into this thread correcting my mistake about the draw release thing. And I find that jtipson has corrected it already. More people come in here and read than I thought.

jtipson
03-05-2004, 11:38 AM
Wow, I was just going to come into this thread correcting my mistake about the draw release thing. And I find that jtipson has corrected it already. More people come in here and read than I thought.

Hope you don't mind me making the correction ;), I was only on the IW site yesterday checking to see when the draw came out myself. Normally when I post first thing in the morning GMT there's nobody else around because the US is asleep ;).

Have to say that I like reading the Andy forum (his and Roger's are the only ones I generally read), even though I'm not a big fan of his. But you guys have a lot going on here.


And Wyvern, yeah, I know the US Open does the back-to-back scheduling too. <rant> It sucks. Last September the USTA was even talking about extending the US Open to make the scheduling better. Well, they don't need to - every other GS gets manages to schedule the same number of matches within 2 weeks and give the finalists at least one day off, so they could too if they wanted to. But unfortunately they let TV and revenue rule, even when it hurts the players. That's pants. At least for IW/Miami the semis are only best of three. </rant>

Havok
03-05-2004, 04:46 PM
top seeds wont play for the first full wekk:eek: didn't know that

J. Corwin
03-06-2004, 03:48 AM
yeah they don't. The women start a lil earlier.

J. Corwin
03-06-2004, 03:48 AM
At least for IW/Miami the semis are only best of three. </rant>

Actually even the finals are best of three now.

Action Jackson
03-06-2004, 11:24 AM
Too bad jackson the Masters Series finals should always be best of 5 sets, but Mr Advertising Dollar /TV revenue rules the way with some tournaments.

Deboogle!.
03-06-2004, 05:23 PM
thank you jtipson!

I"m glad Andy will have some time off between Scottsdale, he had a looooooooooooong day yesterday.

andyroxmysox12191
03-06-2004, 05:29 PM
did you get to see him play bunk?

Deboogle!.
03-06-2004, 05:33 PM
yes, both times :woohoo:

I wrote more in the scottsdale thread :)

MisterQ
03-06-2004, 05:34 PM
Too bad jackson the Masters Series finals should always be best of 5 sets, but Mr Advertising Dollar /TV revenue rules the way with some tournaments.

I agree, it's a shame they would reduce the final to three sets for TV. Totally changes the contest.

joeb_uk
03-06-2004, 05:40 PM
yea i agree too, sometimes the 3 sets they are just warming up.

tangerine_dream
03-06-2004, 05:58 PM
but Mr Advertising Dollar /TV revenue rules the way with some tournaments.

Who is this in reference to?

J. Corwin
03-06-2004, 08:24 PM
It definitely sucks. I think all MS finals should be best of five.

star
03-07-2004, 04:41 AM
So the first two days are the women's qualies and those days are free! I love those days because hardly anyone is there and over the years I have met some people on these days who I see every year.

This year the men start their qualies on Wednesday. It used to be on Friday. But now the men's first round matches start on Friday because of the expanded field.

Unfortunately tennis is a business and businesses have to cater to the people who give them money. There's a lot of prize money at this tournament and the people who buy the tickets aren't going to make the tournament profitable.

As a side note, I was driving by the site today and saw truck driving around and putting out the orange cones to mark the parking lot they set up across the street from the site. It was odd to see the place last night because none of the lights in the stadium or the two grandstand courts were lit. I'm used to see it blazing with light at night. The practice courts were lit.

Deboogle!.
03-08-2004, 02:17 AM
didn't know where else to put this. From the end of a tennisreporters.net article.. it makes me feel a LITTLE better at least:
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Roddick will likely stay ranked No. 3 when the ranking are released on Monday behind Roger Federer and Juan Carlos Ferrero. If he doesnít make a major impression at the upcoming Tennis Masters Series at Indian Wells and Miami, heíll be behind the eight ball until mid summer.

"Itís go time," said Roddick. "We have the back to back on the American circuit. Iím glad I stepped up and played here because I got some tough matches in. I feel like I'm hitting the ball a lot better than when I got here. Iím optimistic."

Havok
03-08-2004, 03:17 AM
thats good to read:yeah:

tangerine_dream
03-08-2004, 06:25 PM
Not sure where to put this. It's not Andy-related but it's an interesting tennis article, so .... enjoy! :)

Lengthy careers no longer the norm on tennis circuit

By Leighton Ginn
The Desert Sun
March 8th, 2004

When the Pacific Life Open begins today at the Indian Wells Tennis Garden, an array of 20-something stars will take the court, including many fresh faces starting to capture the publicís imagination.

However, some tennis experts warn fans not to blink. The careers of some stars could be that short.

With increasing frequency, professional tennis players are hanging up their rackets by their 30th birthday, if not sooner.

"When they retire at 30 or younger, thatís a little surprising," said Rod Laver, who retired at 37 years old and is the only player to win the Grand Slam twice. "Thatís a shame. For the game, you lose name players before the young players come up and they havenít made a name yet."

On the menís side, Patrick Rafter retired at 28, just months after reaching the Wimbledon final. Yevgeny Kafelnikov, the winner of the 1999 Australian and 1996 French Open titles, retired at the end of last year at 29.

An extreme case was five-time Grand Slam champion Martina Hingis, who retired at 21.

"In all honesty, it will hurt the sport in the long run," said Carl Chang, the coach and older brother of Michael Chang, who retired last year at the age of 31. "The lengths of playersí careers on tour is so short, no one gets to know people. In the past, people built an affinity to certain players over a course of time. You have Andy (Roddick) who burst onto the scene. If he doesnít stay on the tour and last and be successful for three years, heís forgotten like a lot of guys."

Carl Chang cites a hectic travel schedule, a short off-season of four to six weeks and playing requirements under the current ranking system as reasons for shorter careers.

Players who miss tournaments risk dropping in the rankings, which in turn affects their seeding in future events.

"It hurts you when you donít make the commitment, but it has a long-term effect if you make the commitment and travel the way they do to survive on tour," Chang said.

Look around professional sports and you will find athletes well in their 30s, and a few in their 40s. In the NFL, Jerry Rice of the Oakland Raiders is still going strong at 41.

However, experts say that tennis, although a non-contact sport, is one of the most physically demanding.

Vic Braden, a renowned coach, tennis writer and researcher, measured the actual time an athlete is physically active during a game. For instance, in football, a player will have approximately seven minutes of actual physical exertion when timeouts, huddles and halftime are eliminated.

In tennis, the total amount of actual play is 6.83 minutes in a single set.

"The play is very, very fast," Braden said. "In tennis, as people play from the baselines, the rallies are longer and the body takes more damage. Thereís a lot more action and a lot more force on the body."

Of course, not every tennis player has left the sport by the age of 30. Andre Agassi, at 33 years old, is still contending for the top ranking, and 33-year-old Todd Martin plays at a high level.

On the womenís side, Martina Navratilova still competes in doubles at 47 years old.

Still, during the last 30 years, significant changes in the game and equipment have contributed to the decline in a playerís longevity, said Laver, who won all four Grand Slam tournaments for a second time in 1969 when he was 31.

Coming up through the ranks, Laver played most of his matches on a grass surface, which took less toll on his body.

Laver also said using a wooden racket forced him to learn the game differently. He needed to be more fundamentally sound and couldnít hit shots off balance like many of todayís players can with the new technology.

"It used to be with the wooden racket, it took longer to master the art of the game, so that is an important factor," Laver said. "Today, someone tells you how to put topspin, and two days later you have topspin. Youíre not going to do that with a wooden racket."

The new technology allows players to rip winners that players previously hit out of bounds. While that leads to success, it also causes more stress on the limbs that makes injuries more likely.

"In my opinion, it will shorten a lot of careers," said Braden, who has been researching the impact of the new technology and its relation to injuries. "The game used to be (that) if you played on the baseline, you were a defensive player.

"In the new era, the baseline player has turned into an offensive player. I could name two or three people 30 or 40 years ago who could put it away at the baseline. Now, I can name 40 or 50."

Injuries arenít the sole cause. Hall of Famer Rosie Casals thinks the money in the sport has shortened careers. With the larger paychecks and endorsement contracts, players lose the desire to put in the long hours of practice, compete in 10-month seasons and constantly travel the globe.

"Now youíre a big hit and then youíre out the door," said Casals, who retired from singles in the 1980s when she was 35. "Longevity is not a big thing. Itís not the make up of todayís players."

In order to prolong a playerís career and ultimately benefit the ATP and WTA tours, Carl Chang thinks the pro seasons need to be shortened. With both tours facing financial problems, Chang is skeptical change will occur soon.

"If they have a longer term vision rather than this shorter term vision, then theyíll try to prepare for the long haul for the greater good of the sport," Chang said. "The financial strains on the tennis tour are so great they are looking for quick fixes all the time-- short-term resolutions in order to get through the next couple of years.

"Theyíre not thinking 10, 15, 20 years down the road. Theyíre just thinking about surviving another year. Itís hard when youíre under that restraint."

Deboogle!.
03-08-2004, 06:36 PM
interesting.. and not too optimistic!

J. Corwin
03-08-2004, 11:46 PM
very interesting indeed

And Deb, when did Andy make that comment?

Deboogle!.
03-09-2004, 12:26 AM
I'm assuming he made it after he lost in Scottsdale. it's at tennisreporters.net :)

J. Corwin
03-09-2004, 12:33 AM
thank ya

star
03-09-2004, 03:48 AM
:wavey:

I'm back after a day at the qualies. :)

Deboogle!.
03-09-2004, 04:14 AM
well how was it? :)

star
03-09-2004, 05:20 AM
You can read about it at RO. :p

star
03-09-2004, 05:41 AM
Oh, Bunkeroni! would you pretty please add in the part about Todd Martin that he and Dimitry were there practicing with Jose Higueras. Todd was leaving the practice with Jose, and Dimitry was lingering behind talking to some fans, and Jose sort of turned and motioned with his head... comeon... and I guess Dimitry did. lol... I know I would have.

Jose is soo hadsome and elegant.

Deboogle!.
03-09-2004, 05:56 AM
lmao

yep will add it. I won't have a chance to really look at this one til tomorrow afternoon b/c of my test but the others will go up faster I promise.

tangerine_dream
03-09-2004, 03:53 PM
Ha! No whiny Daveeeed:baby: at Indian Wells this year. That's one schmuck Andy (and the U.S.) won't have to deal with. :D

But Andy has bigger fish to worry about: the American-slaying Tim Henman, the Roddick-slaying Schuettler (!), Safin has a wild card, Hewitt is back, Andre is back (pissed off, I'm sure), and Fed and Moya are on a hot streak (less concerned about Moya but still....)

This is going to be a great tourney! Everybody's come together and we've got a nice international mix of top players here. :banana:

I'm so jealous that star gets to be there and see everyone play! *insert little green monster*

Havok
03-09-2004, 05:49 PM
why is Safin still getting wildcards for :retard: he's ranked high enough for a seed isnt he????

Deboogle!.
03-09-2004, 06:38 PM
but they do the acceptance list based on pretty old rankings, before he was high enough. Depending on when they base the actual draw/seedings from, he could get a seed I guess. Check the Marat forum, I bet they've discussed it there

and tangy you are TOO MUCH! lol

Sjengster
03-09-2004, 06:48 PM
Yes tangy, you are definitely too much.

tangerine_dream
03-09-2004, 07:15 PM
Great coverage of the tournament in this paper:

http://www.thedesertsun.com/pacificlifeopen/

Deboogle!.
03-09-2004, 07:55 PM
I saw that tangy, looks like lots of pics and news and stuff every day!!! WAHOOOOOOOO

tangerine_dream
03-09-2004, 08:01 PM
I saw that tangy, looks like lots of pics and news and stuff every day!!! WAHOOOOOOOO

I know! It's funny how excited we get when we come across sites that actually do real in-depth coverage of tennis. :banana:

The Scottsdale fiasco from the press and the official site was just a nightmare. I so want that tourney to be rubbed out. :retard:

Deboogle!.
03-09-2004, 08:07 PM
hahaha I know... it is exciting when they make it easier for us. Then again this is a MUCH bigger tournament.

Well, the AZ papers did ok coverage, considering the other major sports stories going on in the valley last week (baseball spring training, barry bonds, etc.).

It's too bad the tournament looked so bad, because it seemed to well-run and everything to me when I was there.

Deboogle!.
03-09-2004, 08:50 PM
Ok star's FABULOUS day 1 report is up at RO.

Fumus
03-09-2004, 08:54 PM
I was thinking about maybe about calling it "Hitting Winners at the Wells" or maybe sticking with the Native American thing like "Little Hiawatha Roddick goes to War" alas none of those are good as the one that orginally popped in my head "Riding the Whale of Success at Pacific Life"....:lol::haha:


Serious note:

I don't know about Roddick guys, he's been less than impressive, he gotten beat by Spedea and Enquvist in those last tournies and really let Fed get a huge lead in the points race. Besides all the falling behind, what kind of chance does do he stand against Fed,Rat, or even Hewitt with the way he's playing now?

Sjengster
03-09-2004, 09:13 PM
Given the nature of the trophy that the winner receives, wouldn't "Hunting the Humpback" be a more suitable title?

Fumus
03-09-2004, 09:18 PM
Given the nature of the trophy that the winner receives, wouldn't "Hunting the Humpback" be a more suitable title?

A Sjengster, is that what your are if you always hit the ball off the frame of the racquet, oh wait thats a Shankster.

A Sjengster that is if you are jewish and try to trick people out of their money?

:haha:

Sjengster
03-09-2004, 09:21 PM
Whatever are you suggesting, Fumus? No, a Sjengster is a loyal and devoted follower of one of tennis' great characters and crowd favourites, Sjeng Schalken. I initially considered "Schalkster", but thought it sounded a little daft, to be honest. My current username is eminently more sensible.

Fumus
03-09-2004, 09:36 PM
To each there own I guess. :haha:

Sjeng he's just soo....hmm....sooo "boring" and "not American".

What's the appeal?

Sjengster
03-09-2004, 09:37 PM
To each there own I guess. :haha:

Sjeng he's just soo....hmm....sooo "boring" and "not American".

What's the appeal?

Isn't that appeal enough? ;)

tangerine_dream
03-09-2004, 10:02 PM
I don't know about Roddick guys, he's been less than impressive, he gotten beat by Spedea and Enquvist in those last tournies and really let Fed get a huge lead in the points race. Besides all the falling behind, what kind of chance does do he stand against Fed,Rat, or even Hewitt with the way he's playing now?

It's only March Fumus! After the French Open last year, Andy was written off and look what happened afterwards. ;)

And he won Siebel, too, so at least he's won something so far, unlike other top players like Ferrero. :sad:

Deboogle!.
03-09-2004, 10:43 PM
Um.... Andy's draw sucks.

Deboogle!.
03-09-2004, 10:51 PM
most likely - Gambill, then Safin, then Spadea/Schalken, then Henman/Schuettler.

That's through the QF.

Oh dear.

tangerine_dream
03-09-2004, 10:52 PM
LOL. No kidding, bunk! If I'm reading this draw right, Andy's going to have to play his best right off the bat (hope his back is up for the challenges ahead):

1st round: Jan-Mike Gambill (eek)

2nd round: probably Marat http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/contrib/ruinkai/FIREdevil.gifSafin (double eek)

3rd round: possibly Vince Spadea (revenge is Andy's!!! :devil: )

next possibility: the Roddick-spanking Henman (mega eek)

next possibility: the Roddick-snuffing Schuettler (*dies* :eek: )

Andy has SF points to defend. He lost against the German last year in the SF didn't he? :scared:

Andy's got his work cut out for him. Good luck Andeeeeeee! :banana:

Deboogle!.
03-09-2004, 10:58 PM
he has QF points to defend. Yes he lost to Schuettler in the QF last year. Let's hope history does not repeat but it's going to take everything he's got just to make the QF so it's not even worth looking that far ahead yet IMO

This is going to be so tough for him. Gambill again right off the bat in the second round - he's gonna want revenge. Then Safin, and I would hope that Andy would want a little revenge for that one but would it be enough to win against someone who clearly gives him problems even when he's playing his best?

tangerine_dream
03-09-2004, 11:01 PM
Andy says that he's often inspired by his losses, so I'm hoping he's inspired to get revenge on Spadea, Safin and ... finally ... Schuettler. :lol:

For some reason, I'm not worried that much about Gambill and I probably should be.

Henman's unreadable to me. During matches, I can hardly tell if he's got game over Andy or not until it's over. :scratch:

Deboogle!.
03-09-2004, 11:06 PM
Schuettler's playing shitty and Henman's playing pretty well (and really likes IW) so I'd pick Henman to beat Schuettler if they play in the 4th round.

Be worried about Gambill, he ran him around pretty good last week. Andy had to play his very best in the 2nd and 3rd to beat him. Then again, Gambill was having an INCREDIBLE serving day and I don't know if he can do that again, but he definitely definitely has what it takes to beat Andy. After that is Safin and I don't think I can look any further than that, really.

Andy says he knows he needs to really kick it up this spring, well now he has the draw from hell and it's his chance to put his money where his mouth is.

Sjengster
03-09-2004, 11:07 PM
I shouldn't worry about Schuettler at the moment, he'll need to step up his form in a big way if he even wants to get to that QF with Roddick. Equally Henman's two victories over him have hardly been emphatic, so that would still be a fairly equal match. No doubt that Safin is the major danger, although I reckon he'll probably be more annoyed than Roddick about the draw - Federer in the first round of Dubai, now Roddick in the third round of IW.

Mr. Man
03-10-2004, 12:03 AM
If he does meet Safin hopefully he'll beat his goon ass this time.

C'mon Andy. :banana:

Deboogle!.
03-10-2004, 12:17 AM
A Sjengster that is if you are jewish and try to trick people out of their money?


Um.... I don't understand :scratch:

Havok
03-10-2004, 12:55 AM
ok the draw is :eek: but then again this is ATP, anything can happen :lol: my predictions:
Gambill will lose to the qualifier :devil:
Safin will have a tough time with Davydenko, I think, so either of these 2 would be 3rd round opponents
for the 4th round gotta pick Schalken, he pretty much always lives up to his seedings.
QF no way in hell Shuettler is making it this far, imo. if he does then i'll gladly eat my words. Henman will either get there or bomb out in the 4th round. semis and finals who knows because there's too many combos to think up. i predict Agassi to take this title :scared: and Andy will make either QF or SF. just my thoughts

Deboogle!.
03-10-2004, 02:10 AM
lol Naldo you always bring interesting predictions :) I hope you are right about this one, but I just don't know.

Havok
03-10-2004, 03:03 AM
:banana:

J. Corwin
03-10-2004, 03:23 AM
scary draw...but much more fun ;)

star
03-10-2004, 03:31 AM
A Sjengster, is that what your are if you always hit the ball off the frame of the racquet, oh wait thats a Shankster.

A Sjengster that is if you are jewish and try to trick people out of their money?

:haha:

I like you Fumus, and mostly appreciate your humor.

But I think you stepped over the line here. I get the joke and all, but it's pretty offensive. Think how if you were jewish and you came into the thread and then saw that little joke. Don't you think you might feel a little hurt or puzzled or put off?

Please just refrain from making remarks about ethnic groups. You have no idea who you are offending in here.

Sorry, I'll put away my soapbox now. That just sort of got me... :mad:

Deboogle!.
03-10-2004, 03:32 AM
star... I AM Jewish, and I didn't even get it. But I pretty much assumed it wasn't a compliment :o

star
03-10-2004, 03:38 AM
Whatever are you suggesting, Fumus? No, a Sjengster is a loyal and devoted follower of one of tennis' great characters and crowd favourites, Sjeng Schalken. I initially considered "Schalkster", but thought it sounded a little daft, to be honest. My current username is eminently more sensible.

I saw our Sjeng today. :)

He was practicing with Sluiter.

People didn't know who he was. I said. It's SJENG!!!!!

You'll have to go read my little thing at RO. It's got some things about Verkerk and Sluiter there.

star
03-10-2004, 03:42 AM
star... I AM Jewish, and I didn't even get it. But I pretty much assumed it wasn't a compliment :o

It was a little play on words... like Sjengster.. shankster.... only this time it was Sjengster.... shyster. get it?

Yeah..........

Deboogle!.
03-10-2004, 03:44 AM
star you just suggested that Sjengster go to an Andy site ;)

and actually.... no I still don't get it. But I don't think I want to anyway. thanks though :)

Hope you had fun today!

Havok
03-10-2004, 04:01 AM
star look out for Jelena for me please :rocker2: and it doesnt hurt the eyes staring at someone like her;) wether you are male or female:p

star
03-10-2004, 04:24 AM
star you just suggested that Sjengster go to an Andy site ;)

and actually.... no I still don't get it. But I don't think I want to anyway. thanks though :)

Hope you had fun today!

Of course you don't want to get it! And even if you do get it, it's not funny. And I was really sorry to see something like that. And not just sorry for you but sorry for everyone I like that would wince when they saw it.

I always think of my good dear friends when I see something like that and how little those stereotypes have to do with them or their lives or their character. Swedes only have the dumb thing tossed around about them. I can't imagine why that became a stereotype. :D

Deboogle!.
03-10-2004, 05:14 AM
star.... :hug:

oh, I'm heading over to the Swedes forum now to give a little pressie

star
03-10-2004, 05:17 AM
Yum. I'm right behind you. And is the last part of your email addy .edu or .educ I didn the latter.

Deboogle!.
03-10-2004, 05:20 AM
.edu :)

J. Corwin
03-10-2004, 05:20 AM
I didn't get it either but I knew it was meant to be tongue-in-cheek. :)

MisterQ
03-10-2004, 05:45 AM
Wow, Safin and Roddick again. Well, it will be interesting to see how it goes if they meet again. Can't make any predictions. Seems like a slight drop of playing level by either player could decide the match. Hopefully this won't be due to injuries...

star
03-10-2004, 06:25 AM
should be a good match.

Please look at my RO thing, (1st day) because it has a little story about your beloved Todd Martin in it. :)

J. Corwin
03-10-2004, 09:24 AM
great one :)

tangerine_dream
03-10-2004, 03:43 PM
Wow, Safin and Roddick again. Well, it will be interesting to see how it goes if they meet again. Can't make any predictions. Seems like a slight drop of playing level by either player could decide the match. Hopefully this won't be due to injuries...

I hope it's a good rematch. :banana:

And then in the third set, I hope Maratski does what he does best: flake out and lose. :devil:

MisterQ
03-10-2004, 08:32 PM
should be a good match.

Please look at my RO thing, (1st day) because it has a little story about your beloved Todd Martin in it. :)

Star,

please hold my hand and tell me where to go on the site. I didn't see anything, but it was probably right in front of my face.

:)

Havok
03-10-2004, 08:37 PM
Q, it's right on the home page, scroll down a little and where it shows all the news stuff, it says "click the 'read more' button" clikc on it and voila

MisterQ
03-10-2004, 09:06 PM
thanks Naldo, I finally found it!

cool star, that's interesting. I'm glad Todd is still giving people a hard time on the court!

Havok
03-10-2004, 09:14 PM
not a problem Q:wavey: any time

Deboogle!.
03-10-2004, 11:00 PM
just for the record, that's where all of Star's daily reports will be as she sends them to me every night, bless her heart!

J. Corwin
03-11-2004, 01:45 AM
can't love the updates any more :)

star
03-11-2004, 04:00 AM
Tomorrow friends who live in Berkeley will be with me at the tournament. I've had such a good time so far. My friends Richard and Barbara who live here had another couple with them the last three days, and we had such a good time at the matches. It's funny how we all have our own agendas, but then we wind up sooner or later all at the same match. It's also a great way to sort of divide our forces and find out what is going on on other courts without actually being there.

Anyway, I've just had champagne and cold chicken for supper, and am getting ready to write my report as soon as I get another glass of wine. (Moet Chandon Brut if anyone cares to know. ;))

MisterQ
03-11-2004, 04:11 AM
Oh, you're so classy star with your MoŽt & Chandon!

I might just have a beer in your honor (Spaten, from MŁnchen).

Deboogle!.
03-11-2004, 04:11 AM
you do like the bubbly, eh star? ;)

star
03-11-2004, 04:18 AM
It's my favorite. Well, I would like to drink even more expensive champagne, but this is about my limit.

I go up to 50 dollars a bottle and that's it. This is less than that though. I'd like to have $100 bottle champagne, but that seems sort of ridiculous unless someone else is paying for it. ;)

Havok
03-11-2004, 04:58 AM
*doesn't like wine, champagne, or beer*
:retard::scared:

MisterQ
03-11-2004, 05:01 AM
*doesn't like wine, champagne, or beer*
:retard::scared:

Wanna trade livers? :lol:

tangerine_dream
03-11-2004, 05:14 AM
*doesn't like wine, champagne, or beer*
:retard::scared:

Wild party guy, aren't you? ;)

Actually, I don't like champagne, either. My husband and I both hate it. We didn't serve it at our wedding. :eek: We toasted with wine instead (it's better for your heart)

star
03-11-2004, 05:36 AM
I like all kinds of wine except sweet wine. It' needs to be dry.

I will drink beer on occasion.

I like a few mixed drinks but not many.

I don't really like any hard alcohol except tequila. :)

J. Corwin
03-11-2004, 05:50 AM
*doesn't like wine, champagne, or beer*
:retard::scared:

:eek:



;)

Deboogle!.
03-11-2004, 05:57 AM
actually I don't like wine or beer either. Never had good champagne so I can't say. I'd prefer alcohol mixed with fruity stuff *looks at bottle of tequila and oranges in the fridge* :lick:

Dirk
03-11-2004, 06:37 AM
I have a question. Why are people concerned about Andy's back? He said nothing of it from what I read after losing to Vince. Maybe he is alright.

Deboogle!.
03-11-2004, 06:42 AM
maybe not after losing to vince but after BOTH his matches the previous day he said it was bothering him and just by watching him it was obvious. And considering it started way back in San Jose, and then got worse in Memphis and was bothering him a day before, I don't think it went away in one day.

I think he didn't talk about it after the Spadea match specifically in terms of it being a factor in his loss, in other words he didn't use it as an excuse for why his level of play went down SO significantly in the second set and onward, but it's bothering him and definitely affecting his play a little.

Dirk
03-11-2004, 06:50 AM
Oh ok. I guess it is a problem then. I read Brad was being too hard on him for losing it.

WyveN
03-11-2004, 12:56 PM
I have a question. Why are people concerned about Andy's back? He said nothing of it from what I read after losing to Vince. Maybe he is alright.

Of course he is alright and he was alright in Scottsdale. If he wasn't he would pull out of Indian Wells.

star
03-11-2004, 02:10 PM
maybe not after losing to vince but after BOTH his matches the previous day he said it was bothering him and just by watching him it was obvious. And considering it started way back in San Jose, and then got worse in Memphis and was bothering him a day before, I don't think it went away in one day.

I think he didn't talk about it after the Spadea match specifically in terms of it being a factor in his loss, in other words he didn't use it as an excuse for why his level of play went down SO significantly in the second set and onward, but it's bothering him and definitely affecting his play a little.

You are :angel: to answer these trolling questions when people could just ask them on GM or make their snide remarks on GM. :)

ummm I think I mentioned that my friends from Berkeley are here today! I'm so excited and of course they are excited to to see all the players and we will have such a good time just running around and being excited together. It's going to be a great day!!

Deboogle!.
03-11-2004, 03:04 PM
Oh ok. I guess it is a problem then. I read Brad was being too hard on him for losing it.

huh? losing what?

Wyver, be quiet, if you didn't see him you can't say what is or is not going on.

and star, I guess I had a moment of trust that Dirk might actually be concerned. As if!

WyveN
03-11-2004, 03:18 PM
Wyver, be quiet, if you didn't see him you can't say what is or is not going on.


I saw the match thank you very much. Did you?

Deboogle!.
03-11-2004, 03:22 PM
I saw him three times in person last week, thank you, including twice where he specifically said on court over the PA system that his back hurt.

WyveN
03-11-2004, 03:32 PM
You met my comments regarding that match with a accusation that I didn't watch it and hence am not allowed to give my opinion.
The ironic thing is that I *did* watch it, you *did not* watch it yet are making far more comments about the situation then me.

If Andy was having more then trivial back problems do you really think he wouldn't pull out straight away?
Do you really think the Roddick team would let Andy play at Scottsdale while there are some very important tournaments on the horizon?

Out of all the injuries you don't joke around with back injuries and if the injury was not trivial there would certainly be risk of aggrevation by playing, a risk no one in their right mind would take given the circumstances.

I saw the match. No Andy was obviously far from his best but he did not let Spadea into the match, Spadea raised his level in the last 2 sets while Andy was sort of flat throughout. I saw no indication of injury contributing to his loss.

star
03-11-2004, 03:46 PM
Deb, I implore you not to respond to these guys otherwise this thread will get ruined just like the Arizona thread.

Deboogle!.
03-11-2004, 03:51 PM
I know, star. but just one more thing

wyver no one said the back problem at all contributed to the loss, only that it is affecting his game a little here and there in ALL of his matches, even those he wins.

And this concerns me, bringing this to topic, because his back can bother him a little and still beat Gambill if he's otherwise playing well, but for someone like Safin where he needs to play his ABSOLUTE best, the back could be more of a factor and that's what is a little disconcerting for me.

tangerine_dream
03-11-2004, 03:54 PM
I have a question. Why are people concerned about Andy's back? He said nothing of it from what I read after losing to Vince. Maybe he is alright.

If he did say anything about his back hurting, people like you would've immediately jumped on him saying he was making "excuses." :rolleyes:

Deboogle!.
03-11-2004, 03:57 PM
I'm a little confused as to how the scheduling for IW goes.... main draw starts playing tomorrow (Friday) right? But the seeds all have byes so they won't start playing til at least Sunday?

tangerine_dream
03-11-2004, 03:58 PM
Yes, bunk, the seeds play on Sunday. And we finally get some tv coverage! :banana:

Deboogle!.
03-11-2004, 03:58 PM
If he did say anything about his back hurting, people like you would've immediately jumped on him saying he was making "excuses." :rolleyes:

Plus the fact that he's actually a good guy and a fair loser and he knows that his back isn't what caused this particular loss anyway, it was his brain, and Spadea's great play all week (which I witnessed myself and was quite impressed by, if only the guy wasn't such a dolt :p)

Deboogle!.
03-11-2004, 03:59 PM
Yes, bunk, the seeds play on Sunday. And we finally get some tv coverage! :banana:

Yeah! Yahooooooooooooo!

star
03-11-2004, 04:02 PM
Maybe we can just move on ahead now. I've got to fix my hair, and then I'm off!!!

Byeeeeeee

tangerine_dream
03-11-2004, 04:10 PM
Plus the fact that he's actually a good guy and a fair loser and he knows that his back isn't what caused this particular loss anyway, it was his brain, and Spadea's great play all week (which I witnessed myself and was quite impressed by, if only the guy wasn't such a dolt :p)

See, this is why I was asking about getting tapes of this match and the first one when he had the meltdown. I really wanted to see if Spadea's playing was any better than when he played the final (which I saw) and also I wanted to see for myself if Andy's back was really a factor in his game.

And about the meltdown....c'mon, someone has to get that on tape, make a vidcap and put it on RO. We should do a special section focusing on Andy's outbursts and chair ump abuse. ;)

And bye ,star! :bigwave: Enjoy your day! Love your reports. :hug:

Deboogle!.
03-11-2004, 04:17 PM
lol tangy well I dunno. Spadea played consistently very well (except maybe the second set in the Blake match, though I think that was Blake stepping it up for a little while more than Spadea playing worse) in both matches I saw, very sort of even. A little fatigue both physically and mentally may have been a factor for Andy since he had played 2 matches, one of them very tough, the day before, but who knows. A little mental vacation, his serve suddenly having problems, and Spadea hanging in and stepping up his game add up to a pretty nasty loss. I think there has to be a combination of factors at play for Andy to be broken three straight times don't you? LOL

IW are much better conditions for him, the warmer weather will help keep his back looser (he said Friday night that playing in the cold Scottsdale nights made it worse), plus he won't have to play every single day. So those are 'good things' ;)

Though Tennis Week says he's there at IW, no one's seen or heard or taken pictures of him practicing... maybe he's lying low for a bit and resting/getting treatments. If we don't hear about him practicing today though, that'd be a little worrisome.

tangerine_dream
03-11-2004, 05:58 PM
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/sfl-iwells11mar11,0,1264748.story?coll=sfla-sports-headlines

Roddick, Spadea in for tough matches
by Charles Bricker

March 11, 2004

Andy Roddick and Vince Spadea, the two most prominent men's players from South Florida, probably face tough opening opponents at the Pacific Life Open at Indian Wells, Calif., which starts Friday.

Roddick, seeded No. 3, and No. 21 Spadea draw first-round byes, leaving Roddick to face the winner of Jan-Michael Gambill against an undetermined qualifier and Spadea to play the winner of the first-round match between Nicolas Kiefer and Flavio Saretta.

There's no early letup for Roddick, who splits time between Boca Raton and Austin, Texas. If he wins his first match, he's on course to play Marat Safin in the third round. Safin defeated him in the quarterfinals of the Australian Open.

Spadea, whose ranking jumped to No. 22 after he won his first ATP title Sunday, could be replaying the Scottsdale final against Kiefer, who he beat in three sets. Or he will face Saretta, who holds a 3-0 lifetime edge. Saretta beat Spadea in the first round of the 2003 U.S. Open.

Top-seeded Roger Federer's opening match in the second round is against the winner of Ivo Karlovic and Andrei Pavel.

The Indian Wells draw is of particular interest to organizers of the new Pro Tennis World $100,000 Challenger, to be played at Boca's South County Regional Park March 16-21. The tournament will be stocked in great part by first-round losers at Indian Wells who will want more matches before the Nasdaq-100, which begins March 24 in Key Biscayne.
Because Thomas Enqvist of Sweden and Tommy Haas of Germany play each other in the first round, one of them is going to Boca Raton. Haas formerly was No. 2 in the world before having double shoulder surgery that put him out last season. Enqvist, who holds 19 ATP titles, is on the Swedish Davis Cup team that plays the U.S. at Delray Beach April 9-11. Enqvist defeated Roddick in the third round at Memphis last month.

Havok
03-11-2004, 06:24 PM
*clears throat* speaking of coverage, i checked my TSN tennis schedule and they only have the very 1st day, 1 hour and 30 min worth of tennis so far on their schedule :fiery::fiery::fiery: i wrote them a nice fuckin email though;)

Deboogle!.
03-11-2004, 06:47 PM
oh no Naldo... I thought you guys mostly got what ESPN showed here? We get at least one 2-hour live coverage block every day and sometimes one in the day and one at night

Havok
03-11-2004, 07:30 PM
yeah we do get whatever ESPN shows, but TNS are being fucks about it. hopefully they just really screwed up their online tv schedule, but i doubt it. last year we got coverage throughout the entire last week and it was good. this year so far they only got coverage of day 1:tape:

Deboogle!.
03-11-2004, 08:02 PM
awwww well *fingers crossed* for you. Is there another place you can look up the listings? like a tv guide type of site?

Havok
03-11-2004, 09:03 PM
i got no clue, i'll make them "surprise" me :yawn:

Fumus
03-11-2004, 09:05 PM
I like you Fumus, and mostly appreciate your humor.

But I think you stepped over the line here. I get the joke and all, but it's pretty offensive. Think how if you were jewish and you came into the thread and then saw that little joke. Don't you think you might feel a little hurt or puzzled or put off?

Please just refrain from making remarks about ethnic groups. You have no idea who you are offending in here.

Sorry, I'll put away my soapbox now. That just sort of got me... :mad:

My sincere apolgies to anyone in the forum who was offended by my comment. That comment was not intened to be anti-Semitic. I am sorry that some of you have interpreted this comment as anti-Semitic. What I meant was if you were Jewish and you did these things would you be shyster?

Again, I am sorry and I will take alittle more time to think before I write something.

Now on to the pressing stuff...

Has there been a decline in Roddick's game over the last month? I think so, after watching him on the Tennis Channel in the last two tournys, I have come to the conclusion he just doesn't looked focused...

Deboogle!.
03-11-2004, 09:23 PM
it's ok Fumus. As I said, I didn't even get it, and I am Jewish. I don't think any of us thought you were intentionally being rude.

As for Andy's game... I really don't know. I mean what I saw from Davis Cup and San Jose, he played GREAT the entire time. Memphis, he played ok too. He's always had a little trouble with Todd so that match didn't surprise me, and the day he lost to Enqvist was the day he really aggravated his back, plus Enqvist is a good indoor player and has been playing quite well as of late.

I saw most of his matches in Scottsdale. Did you see the first round match where he had the tirade? I didn't see it, but it sounds like that whole situation really messed him up for a little while but b/c of the rain delay he regained his composure. Then I saw his second round and QF matches and I thought he played quite well in both. He can get a little down on himself sometimes, so I was so thrilled when he came back against Gambill, esp. since he was 0-2 against him going in, so that match was really reassuring (esp. since I was there and saw it all in person.) - the quality of play in that match from both players was wonderful and it was awesome to watch Andy really raise his game in the 2nd and 3rd. So lack of focus? Definitely not in that match. As for the semi-final well we've talked about it a lot here and it sounds, to ME, like a combination of a lot of factors. Spadea played incredibly well all week, Andy had played two matches, one long one the night before, the previous day, and his back is still a little bit of a problem. How he let a set and almost double-break lead go away is upsetting and so is the fact that he was broken three straight times, but if there's a lack of focus, I think this is the only match in which you'll really find it, at least in my opinion.

However, Andy did say after his loss to spadea that he knows he has to step it up, that he was mad at himself about this loss, and that he thought it was going to motivate him for the TMS tourneys. He sounded pretty optimistic about how he's hitting the ball and seemed happy to have some tough matches in him (he seems to do well when he gets in a rhythm of playing a lot, interestingly enough, which shows how great shape he's in in terms of being physically fit). He knows he needs to do well at them both to stay in the hunt for the top, and he SAYS he's committed. Now with such a BRUTAL draw at IW, he will have the chance to show us all what he's made of :) Let's just hope he puts his money where his mouth is.

Fumus
03-11-2004, 09:42 PM
it's ok Fumus. As I said, I didn't even get it, and I am Jewish. I don't think any of us thought you were intentionally being rude.

As for Andy's game... I really don't know. I mean what I saw from Davis Cup and San Jose, he played GREAT the entire time. Memphis, he played ok too. He's always had a little trouble with Todd so that match didn't surprise me, and the day he lost to Enqvist was the day he really aggravated his back, plus Enqvist is a good indoor player and has been playing quite well as of late.

I saw most of his matches in Scottsdale. Did you see the first round match where he had the tirade? I didn't see it, but it sounds like that whole situation really messed him up for a little while but b/c of the rain delay he regained his composure. Then I saw his second round and QF matches and I thought he played quite well in both. He can get a little down on himself sometimes, so I was so thrilled when he came back against Gambill, esp. since he was 0-2 against him going in, so that match was really reassuring (esp. since I was there and saw it all in person.) - the quality of play in that match from both players was wonderful and it was awesome to watch Andy really raise his game in the 2nd and 3rd. So lack of focus? Definitely not in that match. As for the semi-final well we've talked about it a lot here and it sounds, to ME, like a combination of a lot of factors. Spadea played incredibly well all week, Andy had played two matches, one long one the night before, the previous day, and his back is still a little bit of a problem. How he let a set and almost double-break lead go away is upsetting and so is the fact that he was broken three straight times, but if there's a lack of focus, I think this is the only match in which you'll really find it, at least in my opinion.

However, Andy did say after his loss to spadea that he knows he has to step it up, that he was mad at himself about this loss, and that he thought it was going to motivate him for the TMS tourneys. He sounded pretty optimistic about how he's hitting the ball and seemed happy to have some tough matches in him (he seems to do well when he gets in a rhythm of playing a lot, interestingly enough, which shows how great shape he's in in terms of being physically fit). He knows he needs to do well at them both to stay in the hunt for the top, and he SAYS he's committed. Now with such a BRUTAL draw at IW, he will have the chance to show us all what he's made of :) Let's just hope he puts his money where his mouth is.


It's just you can look at Roddick now and look at him at the US OPEN and they are two different players. In some ways good and in some ways bad. He just hasn't gotten the ball rolling yet this year I think.
The lack of focus, I call it "Federer disease". It's like he doesn't have his head in the match every point or sometimes every game. The difference between him and Fed is though; Fed can pull that crap and get away with it. Rogi can break serve, at will almost sometimes because he's a great returner of serve. Roddick doesn't have that sorta thing going for him.

Against high quality opponents Roddick raises his game and plays well. Against people like bogomlov, or others he can have lapses because the threat of loss isn't so apparent. That's sometimes why leads slip away. Roddick should not loose to Spedea, Enqvist or any other player who is outside the top ten, not even on clay. He's too good for that. Yea his back was hurting him but, yea he played a lot in a short period of time. That is however what separates the ďtrue championĒ from the ďreally goodsĒ, performing well and finding ways to win even when you have to play through pain, fatigue, or off days.

Side note:

I recently got a pair of Roddick's Reebok Shoes, the Figjams. I love emí but, does anyone know what the name means? Roddick came up with the name himself because he help design the shoes. I was told it was an acronym that stands for ďfuck I am good just ask meĒÖ:lol:

Deboogle!.
03-11-2004, 10:12 PM
Well, I have a hard time with the statement that "he shouldn't lose to players outside the top 10" - the men's field is far too deep for such statements, in my opinion. Enqvist was a top player at one point and played great all throughout Memphis. Spadea played really GREAT at Scottsdale, especially his returning, so that when Andy's serve went off a little in the second set, he had the weapon to capitalize on that. Maybe he should've won the match, but Spadea deserves credit for not giving up when Andy went on a mental vacation.

I'm not saying Andy's situation isn't a little disconcerting, it is - he seems to be playing a little more inconsistently than we might like him to, but then again since the AO he's made the QF or further in every tournament he's played, plus by this point last year he hadn't won a title and this year he has.

I don't know, I'm torn. I'm not disagreeing with you 100%, but I don't agree with you fully either. Andy is doing a lot of things better this year than he was last year - namely his backhand and his return. He is in great physical shape fitness-wise so we don't have to worry about him pooping out at the end of a tough tournament, and by and large his serving has been quite consistent this year and he's mixing it up more.

He seems to sort of be just on the cusp of playing really really well. He shows flashes of it during some matches and he pulls out a tough win and then loses for various reasons (all of which include his opponent playing well - if you look at his 4 losses, his opponents happened to playing really well!).

I'm just rambling... I'm really just not sure.

tangerine_dream
03-11-2004, 10:13 PM
Like your new av, Fumus :yeah:

Havok
03-11-2004, 10:29 PM
yeah it is "fuck im good, just ask me" take the 1st letters of the phrase and you get FIGJAM;)
and im digging your avatar as well :yeah:

Deboogle!.
03-11-2004, 10:43 PM
yeah it is "fuck im good, just ask me" take the 1st letters of the phrase and you get FIGJAM;)

Uh.... I have NEVER heard of that before lol... it doesn't sound like andy lol

WyveN
03-11-2004, 11:00 PM
wyver no one said the back problem at all contributed to the loss, only that it is affecting his game a little here and there in ALL of his matches, even those he wins.

Then why didn't he pull out, if there was more then trivial pain, he would not risk aggrivating it. Funny how you ignored all that I said about that.

And why exactly did you tell me to be quiet when I said that he was alright in Arizona?
Surely if the back did not contribute to the loss, like you said above, then it was hardly serious and he was alright as I said above.

Deboogle!.
03-11-2004, 11:13 PM
for the LAST time, having pain and not using it as an excuse for a loss that was clearly caused by something else are not the same thing. the Memphis QF, I would say his back contributed to that loss in part. Scottsdale SF, no, there were other factors that appear to have been at play. None of us know what's really wrong except for that he keeps saying his back is "stiff and hurts," saying that he was taking a little off his serve b/c of this, and also that he's called the trainer to get stuff rubbed on it during matches, even one he won. Beyond that none of us have a clue what's going on, what the injury actually is, how serious it actually is, whether playing more aggravates it, etc ad nauseum.

I should change my username here to Broken Record, what do you guys think?

Havok
03-11-2004, 11:25 PM
WyveN stop trolling :retard::scared:

Deboogle!.
03-11-2004, 11:26 PM
yea I'm getting sick of repeating myself :p

Can't this tournament just start already? Why must we wait til tomorrow to start 1st round men's matches?

Fumus
03-11-2004, 11:26 PM
Well, I have a hard time with the statement that "he shouldn't lose to players outside the top 10" - the men's field is far too deep for such statements, in my opinion. Enqvist was a top player at one point and played great all throughout Memphis. Spadea played really GREAT at Scottsdale, especially his returning, so that when Andy's serve went off a little in the second set, he had the weapon to capitalize on that. Maybe he should've won the match, but Spadea deserves credit for not giving up when Andy went on a mental vacation.

I'm not saying Andy's situation isn't a little disconcerting, it is - he seems to be playing a little more inconsistently than we might like him to, but then again since the AO he's made the QF or further in every tournament he's played, plus by this point last year he hadn't won a title and this year he has.

I don't know, I'm torn. I'm not disagreeing with you 100%, but I don't agree with you fully either. Andy is doing a lot of things better this year than he was last year - namely his backhand and his return. He is in great physical shape fitness-wise so we don't have to worry about him pooping out at the end of a tough tournament, and by and large his serving has been quite consistent this year and he's mixing it up more.

He seems to sort of be just on the cusp of playing really really well. He shows flashes of it during some matches and he pulls out a tough win and then loses for various reasons (all of which include his opponent playing well - if you look at his 4 losses, his opponents happened to playing really well!).

I'm just rambling... I'm really just not sure.

Yea, I just think he hasn't got the ball rolling yet. He's not firing on all cylinders. Everything is not clicking synchronically. You can give countless other analogies but, basically heís just getting back to playing his best tennis with a new game.

I think he is settling into this new game Brad has designed for him. Last year it was like Brad just smoothed out A-Rods game and made it gel. I think this year it is more like Brad is rearranging in Andy's game and the parts of his game arenít all meshing together, just yet, that coupled with the fact that he has gone through injury, and lapses in concentration; the results haven't been stellar sometimes.

If you look at Andyís game from this year to the end of last year, the main difference is the variety. The underspin backhand, you know that one handed slice he uses that a lot more now. He gets into longer rallies and plays percentages more instead of going for outright winners. Roddick now has a defensive game when he needs it. These are all positives in my eyes but, Andy is just getting used to these things, feeling them, and pushing them a bit, I think.

Anyone else see these changes?

Havok
03-11-2004, 11:27 PM
Uh.... I have NEVER heard of that before lol... it doesn't sound like andy lol
you didn't :scared: i thought that is was pretty universal. It isn't like Andy, it was the people who came up with the idea of the shoe name. they made it up, ran it by Andy, and the rest is history. i doubt that Andy woulda names his shoe something like that had he had complete control over the name selection:retard:

Deboogle!.
03-11-2004, 11:37 PM
Yea, I just think he hasn't got the ball rolling yet. He's not firing on all cylinders. Everything is not clicking synchronically. You can give countless other analogies but, basically heís just getting back to playing his best tennis with a new game.

Interesting view. A lot less negative than I took your first couple of posts on the topic to be - I think this makes more sense, to me anyhow.

I think he is settling into this new game Brad has designed for him. Last year it was like Brad just smoothed out A-Rods game and made it gel. I think this year it is more like Brad is rearranging in Andy's game and the parts of his game arenít all meshing together, just yet, that coupled with the fact that he has gone through injury, and lapses in concentration; the results haven't been stellar sometimes.

Well now, you might be giving Brad too much credit. Most of the work Andy did over the off-season was with a specialized trainer (Marc, I think his official site said his name was?) for physical fitness. Brad and Andy didn't get together til after Christmas, that's well-known. so they couldn't have done much, and I don't think Brad could possibly have been able to re-tool his game.

If you look at Andyís game from this year to the end of last year, the main difference is the variety. The underspin backhand, you know that one handed slice he uses that a lot more now. He gets into longer rallies and plays percentages more instead of going for outright winners. Roddick now has a defensive game when he needs it. These are all positives in my eyes but, Andy is just getting used to these things, feeling them, and pushing them a bit, I think.

Anyone else see these changes?

Yes I totally agree - he is doing better variety. I remember specifically during the Bogomolov match in Scottsdale his first serves ranged from 89 to 141 - both of those were either aces or unreturned, I should add. I like that he's comfortable enough to come in a little more and has a little better grasp on when to do it. He definitely is a little more patient in rallies, and this may be because he is more comfortable with, as you said, playing defensively and also with his backhand. He's ok with someone like Gambill, who knows his game very well, attacking his backhand, and he didn't used to be able to handle that. The only thing I disagree with a little is the backhand slice. It still needs a lot of improvement IMO, and I noticed that more seeing it in person. I still think he overuses it but I actually think he uses it LESS and also more effectively now than he used to, if that makes sense.

But I agree with your last statement, that Andy is in a sort of period of readjustment - mentally and also with his game. And I have no problem with that taking some time - if it takes a few months or even a whole season, it will only end up being better in the long run if he makes solid improvements to his game. But it's only March and already he is doing things a lot better than he did last year, so I see that as very encouraging and I think the other things will start to, and continue, falling into place :)

Deboogle!.
03-11-2004, 11:38 PM
you didn't :scared: i thought that is was pretty universal. It isn't like Andy, it was the people who came up with the idea of the shoe name. they made it up, ran it by Andy, and the rest is history. i doubt that Andy woulda names his shoe something like that had he had complete control over the name selection:retard:

Oh I did not realize that acronym was something universal. I thought you guys were suggesting that Andy made it up for his shoes. So no, I have never heard that saying before lol

Havok
03-11-2004, 11:51 PM
it's an Aussie saying, i think :scratch: Andy wasn't the one who made it up:lol: he was told about it when they threw in the idea of naming the shoe after that. pretty funny

Fumus
03-11-2004, 11:52 PM
Interesting view. A lot less negative than I took your first couple of posts on the topic to be - I think this makes more sense, to me anyhow.



Well now, you might be giving Brad too much credit. Most of the work Andy did over the off-season was with a specialized trainer (Marc, I think his official site said his name was?) for physical fitness. Brad and Andy didn't get together til after Christmas, that's well-known. so they couldn't have done much, and I don't think Brad could possibly have been able to re-tool his game.



Yes I totally agree - he is doing better variety. I remember specifically during the Bogomolov match in Scottsdale his first serves ranged from 89 to 141 - both of those were either aces or unreturned, I should add. I like that he's comfortable enough to come in a little more and has a little better grasp on when to do it. He definitely is a little more patient in rallies, and this may be because he is more comfortable with, as you said, playing defensively and also with his backhand. He's ok with someone like Gambill, who knows his game very well, attacking his backhand, and he didn't used to be able to handle that. The only thing I disagree with a little is the backhand slice. It still needs a lot of improvement IMO, and I noticed that more seeing it in person. I still think he overuses it but I actually think he uses it LESS and also more effectively now than he used to, if that makes sense.

But I agree with your last statement, that Andy is in a sort of period of readjustment - mentally and also with his game. And I have no problem with that taking some time - if it takes a few months or even a whole season, it will only end up being better in the long run if he makes solid improvements to his game. But it's only March and already he is doing things a lot better than he did last year, so I see that as very encouraging and I think the other things will start to, and continue, falling into place :)


Oh, I defly think Brad has done some major retooling. They are retooling every day my friend. Everything I have seen and read suggests changes both major and subtle in Andyís game. Maybe Andy came up with them himself or they happened through natual progression but, eh, I doubt it. Brad did similar stuff to a certain hard hitting bald playerís game. Don't you remember that?

It's called consistent tennis Brad is giving that to Andy more and more. He's maximizing Andy's strengths and minimizing the weaknesses through consistency, variety, and percentage tennis. His game will never be the type of game Andre's is, I am not saying that. I also am not saying they made some big plan in the off season and did this. All I am saying is that they are implementing more and more new things this year.

J. Corwin
03-12-2004, 12:02 AM
Good points Fumus

Fumus
03-12-2004, 12:22 AM
Good points Fumus

Thanks.

Like your new av, Fumus :yeah:

Courtesy of RoddickOnline.com even though they make it hard to download them but, eh, I got it to work.

Deboogle!.
03-12-2004, 12:29 AM
I also am not saying they made some big plan in the off season and did this. All I am saying is that they are implementing more and more new things this year.

I see, I misunderstood what you said before. This, I agree with. Definitely, they have changed subtle things here and there and you can tell.

as for your avatar, what do you mean we make it hard to download/save things? Where are you talking about? we don't block saving or anything like that :confused:

Fumus
03-12-2004, 12:31 AM
I see, I misunderstood what you said before. This, I agree with. Definitely, they have changed subtle things here and there and you can tell.

as for your avatar, what do you mean we make it hard to download/save things? Where are you talking about? we don't block saving or anything like that :confused:

Oh yea, ya do. No right clicking allowed and if you try to save the page it won't let you get the pics...it's says "property of Roddick Online"

Deboogle!.
03-12-2004, 12:34 AM
Oh yea, ya do. No right clicking allowed and if you try to save the page it won't let you get the pics...

are you talking about the picture gallery? The no right clicking is put in by the program we have for the gallery, we didn't do that. I personally hate hate hate it myself. But right underneath each pic there is a link to download it and then it just saves it that way. Trust me we are not trying to prevent anyone from downloading the pictures!!!

Fumus
03-12-2004, 12:36 AM
are you talking about the picture gallery? The no right clicking is put in by the program we have for the gallery, we didn't do that. I personally hate hate hate it myself. But right underneath each pic there is a link to download it and then it just saves it that way. Trust me we are not trying to prevent anyone from downloading the pictures!!!

oh alright, I didn't see that. All in all I like your site. Do you guys have matches or anything you are gonna put up, or highlights?

Deboogle!.
03-12-2004, 12:52 AM
oh alright, I didn't see that. All in all I like your site. Do you guys have matches or anything you are gonna put up, or highlights?

Sure :) I'll look into the right click thing and see if there's anything we can do.

You mean video? Nope we don't have anything right now but assuming Andy's IW, Miami, and Davis Cup matches are shown on TV in the coming weeks, I'll get those. I don't get TTC so I can't tape those to make videos :(

WyveN
03-12-2004, 01:35 AM
Scottsdale SF, no, there were other factors that appear to have been at play. None of us know what's really wrong except for that he keeps saying his back is "stiff and hurts," saying that he was taking a little off his serve b/c of this, and also that he's called the trainer to get stuff rubbed on it during matches, even one he won. Beyond that none of us have a clue what's going on, what the injury actually is, how serious it actually is, whether playing more aggravates it, etc ad nauseum.


Which is basically what I originally said (that Andy is alright) when you told me to be quiet.

tangerine_dream
03-12-2004, 02:02 AM
You know what's been bugging me lately about Andy's game (or Brad's coaching, whichever it is)? During the TMC Houston match, Andy was asked what he thought he needed to do to beat Federer. Andy replied, "I just have to serve really well." (he says this about a lot of players) and I keep shaking my head going, 'No, no! That's not it.' Serving well against Federer isn't going to stop him. It isn't going to stop Agassi and it isn't going to stop Hewitt or Schuettler. Why? Because these are the guys who can actually return his ball into play no matter how fast and how hard he serves it (Fed is particularly good at reading Andy's body language and figuring out where he's going to place the ball). They're not intimidated by his power game. He can't entirely rely on his serve with these guys.

Everybody's ready for that 140-mph serve into the body. They know he is going to ace them to love in the first game to dominate the set and he will ace them again to save MP and close out a set nearly every time.

Maybe he should try throwing them off by serve and volleying the first serve? Nobody expects that. They might expect it for the second serve but never the first serve. When was the last time Andy volleyed on a first serve? US Open? :scratch:

I've seen so many matches of his now that I think I've got his game memorized. If a non-tennis player like me can read Andy's game and predict what he'll do next, then surely his opponents can read him like a Dick and Jane book. :eek:

But then again, when commentators ask Andy how he plans to beat someone, maybe Andy just doesn't want to spill out what he *really* plans on doing to beat an opponent while his opponent is watching and taking notes. :aplot:

J. Corwin
03-12-2004, 02:09 AM
Interesting Tangy. I think he should really REALLY mix it up more too. Start serving and volleying several times on first serves too (or at least come in on them, just in case you didn't win the point outright from the serve). Then when his opponents know/think he will do that (like maybe a month of Andy routinely doing that), Andy should stop doing it most of the time and throw his opponents off guard once again. Don't be consistent in that respect.

But, I think Andy doesn't do much serving and volleying off his first serves because he's not that great with volleys. The ball will usually return quite a bit faster from a first serve (return comes back with more pace fed off from the faster serve). And Andy may not be too comfortable with reaching/putting away those more difficult volleys just yet.

Deboogle!.
03-12-2004, 02:22 AM
Andy does s-v off the first serve once in a while, usually when he takes something off it and does a killer slider out wide or whatever to give him more time. I'm sure he did it at Davis Cup actually, and I think he did it once during the QF in Scottsdale.

Tangy I am SURE that one thing Brad has taught him is reveal nothing, especially in interviews with ridiculously stupid journalists who will then reveal what Andy said when the opponent walks in the press room a half hour later lol. I'm sure he has a standard answer "I have to serve and pass well" or "I have to serve and return well" or whatever for a particular opponent (like for someone who comes in a lot he will add the 'pass well' or for someone who serves well too he'll add the 'return well') but I'm sure sure sure he wouldn't talk about more specifics, and well, he shouldn't and neither should any other player for that matter lol.

Oh and one of Andy's biggest problems is still standing too far back. Bogomolov employed the drop shot against him several times, and the thing about Andy is that he ALWAYS tries to run it down. And while however admirable the hustle is, and he does end up getting himself back into the points sometimes, it points out a huge hole in his game.

Otherwise, I totally agree with you guys that Andy needs to mix it up more. However, compared to a year or a year and a half ago, he's really made leaps and bounds. We can't expect everything in his game to improve overnight but, to me anyway, the early signs are quite encouraging!

Deboogle!.
03-12-2004, 02:32 AM
With Ferrero out with Chicken pox, Andy has a great opportunity to gain some ground. Juan Carlos had barely anything to defend, but obviously he can't gain any ground without playing.

poor Juan Carlos... but he couldn't have gotten sick 2 days ago before the draw was made, huh? lol

tangerine_dream
03-12-2004, 03:10 AM
But, I think Andy doesn't do much serving and volleying off his first serves because he's not that great with volleys. The ball will usually return quite a bit faster from a first serve (return comes back with more pace fed off from the faster serve). And Andy may not be too comfortable with reaching/putting away those more difficult volleys just yet.

I agree, but even if he misses the point, just the fact that Andy would rush the net on a first serve would totally throw his opponents off and they would be like, "WTF?" Then they'd be second-guessing Andy's moves for the rest of the match instead of comfortably waiting for that 140-mph ace. I think this would be a huge mental advantage to Andy.

Havok
03-12-2004, 03:15 AM
time for my rundown YAY.

ok tangy its very true that Andy should stop with the "i should have served better" stuff when he faces really good opponents in Agassi and Federer. although i don't really read those excuses a lot, the reason why he says it is because its his biggest weapon and it did fuck all for him. he immediately goes for that, but again ive never really heard him say it a lot maybe i should pay more attention :lol:. he's still gotta develope his game, especially the return game. that's what kills him. his biggest weapon is his serve, and when sometimes it's just not going good, the opposite of his serve (the return) isn't so hot now is it :scared: he doesn't need to serve better, he needs to simply PLAY better. just stay calm and cool and work every point out. imo he sort of lets them take control of the play and he always finds himself in a defensive position. sometimes he has to go into matches and throw himself into everysingle point, to not be afraid of BLASTING a return or a forehand, instead of playing it safe. overall yes he should play it safe, but when you face tough opposition, you gotta gamble a bit. He's gotta learn this and he will, just give him some time. he's certainly gotten better at taming his wild game, but imo he's surpressed it a tad too much and should unleash it here and there. and Ferrero is out of the tournament :scared: poor dude, i just got on after watching some tv and read it here first, via bunk's post. i hope he's ok for Miami

Deboogle!.
03-12-2004, 03:19 AM
Naldo, I totally agree with that assessment.

tangerine_dream
03-12-2004, 03:20 AM
I can't believe Ferrero is out with the chicken pox. :( Next thing you know, Dent will pull out with whooping cough.

But I feel terrible about what happened in Madrid. The pox is a good excuse for JCF to stay home and be with the people he needs to be with right now and get his strength back. Such a fragile boy, that one is. :hug:

Deboogle!.
03-12-2004, 03:22 AM
lmgdfao about Taylor, tangy, the poor guy.

but Juan Carlos was already here, in Cali. the article said he was diagnosed in his hotel room. And if he's going to try to play in Miami I would doubt he'd leave, since I wouldn't imagine they'd advise traveling with such a contagious and potentially dangerous (at his age) virus.

tangerine_dream
03-12-2004, 03:23 AM
Naldo, I agree with your points and thank you for not waving your :bs: flags at me! :lol:

Bunk, I LOVE your pic of Andy! Great cheekbones he's got. ;)

but Juan Carlos was already here, in Cali. the article said he was diagnosed in his hotel room. And if he's going to try to play in Miami I would doubt he'd leave, since I wouldn't imagine they'd advise traveling with such a contagious and potentially dangerous (at his age) virus.

That's true. You can't travel when you've got an infectious disease. Poor JCF! Madrid blows up, he has the pox, and he's stuck in the US. Tsk, tsk.

Deboogle!.
03-12-2004, 03:26 AM
why would Naldo wave the :bs: flag at you, silly goose?

lol didn't you get the email I sent with the 4 pics???

I just love the look on his face, he's cracking a joke ;)

Deboogle!.
03-12-2004, 03:26 AM
That's true. You can't travel when you've got an infectious disease. Poor JCF! Madrid blows up, he has the pox, and he's stuck in the US. Tsk, tsk.

Poor Juan Carlos :(

tangerine_dream
03-12-2004, 03:32 AM
why would Naldo wave the :bs: flag at you, silly goose?

LOL. Because Naldo gave me three :bs: flags in another post somewhere and I've already forgotten what we were talking about. But I told him not to wave his :bs: flags at me any more. ;)

lol didn't you get the email I sent with the 4 pics???

I am looking at them right now! Awesome pics! You got some really nice close-ups. :banana: Were you really that close or did you use a zoom lens? Either way, you put my crummy pics to shame. I'm so embarassed by them I should just take them down from RO. :lol: Nice job bunk! :yeah: and thank you! :bowdown:

Deboogle!.
03-12-2004, 03:35 AM
I am looking at them right now! Awesome pics! You got some really nice close-ups. :banana: Were you really that close or did you use a zoom lens? Either way, you put my crummy pics to shame. I'm so embarassed by them I should just take them down from RO. :lol: Nice job bunk! :yeah: and thank you! :bowdown:

well both, I was close (never further than like the 6th row) and I have 170mm zoom on my camera *hugs it* so I guess the combo of both would equal close up pics lol.

and OMG Do not be ridiculous, your pics are great :)

tangerine_dream
03-12-2004, 03:37 AM
and OMG Do not be ridiculous, your pics are great :)

Heh. Thanks. Next time I'll upgrade to a disposable camera. :tape:

Deboogle!.
03-12-2004, 03:38 AM
Heh. Thanks. Next time I'll upgrade to a disposable camera. :tape:

LMGDFAO I'm sure your digital camera is great :) You should play around with it around your house to experiment and see what works and what doesn't

Fumus
03-12-2004, 03:43 AM
You know what's been bugging me lately about Andy's game (or Brad's coaching, whichever it is)? During the TMC Houston match, Andy was asked what he thought he needed to do to beat Federer. Andy replied, "I just have to serve really well." (he says this about a lot of players) and I keep shaking my head going, 'No, no! That's not it.' Serving well against Federer isn't going to stop him. It isn't going to stop Agassi and it isn't going to stop Hewitt or Schuettler. Why? Because these are the guys who can actually return his ball into play no matter how fast and how hard he serves it (Fed is particularly good at reading Andy's body language and figuring out where he's going to place the ball). They're not intimidated by his power game. He can't entirely rely on his serve with these guys.

Everybody's ready for that 140-mph serve into the body. They know he is going to ace them to love in the first game to dominate the set and he will ace them again to save MP and close out a set nearly every time.

Maybe he should try throwing them off by serve and volleying the first serve? Nobody expects that. They might expect it for the second serve but never the first serve. When was the last time Andy volleyed on a first serve? US Open? :scratch:

I've seen so many matches of his now that I think I've got his game memorized. If a non-tennis player like me can read Andy's game and predict what he'll do next, then surely his opponents can read him like a Dick and Jane book. :eek:

But then again, when commentators ask Andy how he plans to beat someone, maybe Andy just doesn't want to spill out what he *really* plans on doing to beat an opponent while his opponent is watching and taking notes. :aplot:

no.

It's just that simple, no.

No Part I

Andy will not serve and volley, that's not his game. He will do that to mix it up that is it. That is it. If Andy is going to win he is going to have to play his game not someone elseís. Coming in after his first serve is a welcome changeup but I donít want to see that more than once or twice a match. Andy isnít that good at the net. He gets passedÖ

No Part II

Andy will say whatever to someone asking him what he is going to do.
Do you think he would actually give his game plan? hmm...I think not. You won't ever hear Andy say "Well, I am going to try to pressure him on his backhand side when he comes to net today and I know that percentages say he will run around his backhand in the deuce court to go down the line so I am going to...." no he won't. He always says something like "well, I need to go out there and serve well and play well bla bla", you will never get a straight answer. Of course, he will have to serve well; you won't beat Roger by double faulting all the time. So yea, don't listen to that stuff.

Especially the post match thatís always garbage "well yea, such-and-such is tuff every time, and they really had me pressured and they played great", even if they won like 6-1,6-1 that's the kinda answer you are gonna get. Just once I wanna hear some player say "Yes Cliff, such-and-such played terrible today, I played my C game and really just relaxed out there, he really just lost this one for me":lol:

Havok
03-12-2004, 03:44 AM
ahem, i called :bs: to tangy because she said that Hewitt had already had his best career outing at this year's AO, but Hewitt has already been to the 4th round, he's known for not surpasing that. tis the only reason i called :bs: on tangy. sorry if i offended you or anything :retard::scared:

tangerine_dream
03-12-2004, 03:53 AM
ahem, i called :bs: to tangy because she said that Hewitt had already had his best career outing at this year's AO, but Hewitt has already been to the 4th round, he's known for not surpasing that. tis the only reason i called :bs: on tangy. sorry if i offended you or anything :retard::scared:

I'm just busting your chops, Naldo. :hug:

Deboogle!.
03-12-2004, 03:56 AM
Andy will not serve and volley, that's not his game. He will do that to mix it up that is it. That is it. If Andy is going to win he is going to have to play his game not someone elseís. Coming in after his first serve is a welcome changeup but I donít want to see that more than once or twice a match. Andy isnít that good at the net. He gets passedÖ


Can't speak for tangy but I think that's all she was suggesting, just once in a while, enough to keep the opponent on their toes.

I actually think his biggest pressing problem is how far he stands back still.

Havok
03-12-2004, 04:06 AM
I'm just busting your chops, Naldo. :hug:
well then stop busting them chops :scared::scared::scared:

Fumus
03-12-2004, 04:15 AM
Can't speak for tangy but I think that's all she was suggesting, just once in a while, enough to keep the opponent on their toes.

I actually think his biggest pressing problem is how far he stands back still.

well that or ROS..

But you agree with me about pre and post match interviews right?

Deboogle!.
03-12-2004, 04:19 AM
well that or ROS..

But you agree with me about pre and post match interviews right?

Agree with you about returning, except that so far this year his return is VISIBLY better. in the QF against Gambill in Scottsdale, where Gambill was having an amazing serve day, Andy hit about 4-5 INCREDIBLE return winners, at really important parts. So the improvements I've seen there are encouraging but not in terms of him getting a little more agressive and trying to take the ball earlier and closer to the baseline.

And... I think I agree with you about match interviews lol...

star
03-12-2004, 04:28 AM
So, I did see Andy practicing today. :)

Fumus
03-12-2004, 04:38 AM
Agree with you about returning, except that so far this year his return is VISIBLY better. in the QF against Gambill in Scottsdale, where Gambill was having an amazing serve day, Andy hit about 4-5 INCREDIBLE return winners, at really important parts. So the improvements I've seen there are encouraging but not in terms of him getting a little more agressive and trying to take the ball earlier and closer to the baseline.

And... I think I agree with you about match interviews lol...

She agrees...:lol: now I can go to sleep... :aparty:

Deboogle!.
03-12-2004, 04:43 AM
LMFAO I agree with the part about Andy shouldn't/wouldn't reveal any part of his game plan, and as I said nor should ANY player. I wrote my opinions about this several posts ago, you can go find it back a page or two if you're really that interested lol

heya
03-12-2004, 04:49 AM
It doesn't help that
the media and #### like McEnroe/Washington
say: Andy's out of his element, or he has to bludgeon the ball to win.
Pat called Safin a mental midget at the AO. So funny I forgot to laugh!

Boris Becker wants wooden rackets to come back.
*bad sarcasm:
Why don't Andy use wood, s&v and finesse all his shots?! Guaranteed to please the crowd even more...not to mention how much more success he can have! Yeah, happy joy joy! ;)

Deboogle!.
03-12-2004, 04:54 AM
Pat Cash? Well I think everyone pretty much knows what he says is worth SHIT. oh wait not even that.

heya
03-12-2004, 04:56 AM
PatMc!!!

Deboogle!.
03-12-2004, 04:57 AM
Pat Mac called Andy a mental midget??? Say what?????

Oh and big news from star's IW reports - finally sighting of Andy practicing!!

Check it out at RO :)

Thanks star! :kiss:

heya
03-12-2004, 05:06 AM
He called Safin that during AO.

PatMC should move to Switzerland! :haha:

Deboogle!.
03-12-2004, 05:08 AM
oh SAFIN, sorry I read your first post wrong lol. in any case, yeah.... PMac needs to shut up. along with the other Pat.

heya
03-12-2004, 07:05 AM
I'm too lazy to correct my
grammar earlier. :)
As I'm resting my painful back, I hope your dad's back gets better soon. Come on Andy...heal! arrrgh

J. Corwin
03-12-2004, 08:42 AM
Andy is supposed to be a power player and does most of the attacking. But yet you really see him playing in the defensive position way too often. He should take more cuts at the ball. I agree with Naldo.

He's been playing with more topspin the last year or so. While that may give him greater margin for error, that's a lil "too safe" sometimes. The balls land too short in the court and his opponents can then gain the upperhand in the rally.

WyveN
03-12-2004, 01:34 PM
I watched some doubles matches of Andy recently and it provided a lot of insight into Roddick's net play skill level: His first volley when serving and coming in is pretty weak. He's great and athletic at putting the ball
away when he gets the opportunity, particularly overhead, but his net
reactions (movement to the volley) are pretty slow, and his instincts
not developed.
Plus he has all the wrong grips with the Western and 2 hander.

The occasional serve volley would work against the lesser players but I don't see it working against good returners such as Agassi & Federer as the element of surprise would evaporate quickly.

WyveN
03-12-2004, 01:36 PM
Roddick's biggest weapon outside of his serve is his forehand, and in his case, that shot requires a great deal of racquet motion, which requires time to set up. This is why he prefers standing so far back on returns. He apparently is not comfortable blocking shots or otherwise using an abbreviated motion on his forehand. Someone missed the boat teaching him these important skills.

Of course, the Western Grip, despite its virtues does not lend itself well to versatility. If Roddick is playing a volleyer (such as Timmy), his time to prepare and uncork his forehand swing is reduced. Roddick is indeed fortunate that there are so few players today who can exploit him in this fashion. The fact that Henman is able to do on occasion should give a good hint as to what one of the truly great s-v'rs could have done, because Henman ain't that good.

And why it will be extremely difficult for Roddick to beat a serve volleying Roger on grass.

Deboogle!.
03-12-2004, 03:10 PM
As I'm resting my painful back, I hope your dad's back gets better soon. Come on Andy...heal! arrrgh

aw thank you. I think he's doing much better - hopefully well enough for when they fly home tomorrow. Hope you are better too, and Andy!! star said she didn't seem to think Andy was in pain yesterday when she saw him practice, so hopefully that is a good sign :)

Wyver, thanks for your insights, very interesting. first how did you get to see Andy playing doubles? And how recently was it? Was it from Doha? I just wonder if watching him play doubles from, say 2002 and 2004 if there would be any noticeable difference.

I don't mind Andy standing so far back on the return, it's during the rallies where I see it cause him problems like running around SO much, playing more defensively (which at least he's improved at a lot), and getting dropshotted by certain players who like to employ this. I understand why he returns far back and since his return is a lot better than it was a year ago, that doesn't seem to be a problem since they've obviously worked on something that has helped, but standing so far back in the rallies, that troubles me a little and I'd like to see it be the next thing he really works on.

star
03-12-2004, 03:32 PM
Maybe we just need to have a thread for discusing what's wrong and what's right with Andy's game where the lurkers and those who like to argue/discuss with them can enjoy themselves. I've stayed away from GM for so long, and just am in the players forums mostly now. I NEVER see this sort of thing in any other player forum I visit.

star
03-12-2004, 03:36 PM
Today is a very hard day. Tompa and Haas. Daniela are back to back on Stadium court. I'll see at least parts of those. Then there is the young Kleibanova up first on court four. aggggghhhhh that conflicts with Tompa. Maybe I can go over there for the start and rush back to the Stadium for Tompa. Up last on court four is Soderling... I'll probably see that one for sure. It might be my last match of the day.

Some where int there I have to fit some of TJ v. Tursunov in to the mix. That conflicts with Daniela's match. It's going to be a whirlwind. :)

Deboogle!.
03-12-2004, 03:43 PM
Maybe we just need to have a thread for discusing what's wrong and what's right with Andy's game where the lurkers and those who like to argue/discuss with them can enjoy themselves. I've stayed away from GM for so long, and just am in the players forums mostly now. I NEVER see this sort of thing in any other player forum I visit.

I don't really mind having a mature discussion about Andy's game. It's the bickering about petty stuff that I hate. I agree, I don't understand why they come here at all, but whatever. Well, Fumus I think had started a thread called something like "What does Andy need to do to be the best?" We could dig that up and move it there.

About your long day.... sounds fun though!! Hope you get to see all the matches you want and that your favorites win :) Don't get tooooooo exhausted though, it's less than half over!

Havok
03-12-2004, 03:51 PM
pffft star don't get all pissy about having so many matches to see:p

Havok
03-12-2004, 03:53 PM
and star you dissed his red/white trucker hat. oh no you didn't!!!:scared::retard:

Deboogle!.
03-12-2004, 03:53 PM
LMFAO!!!! *picturing Naldo saying "oh no you didn't* :haha:

star
03-12-2004, 04:13 PM
pffft star don't get all pissy about having so many matches to see:p

:p


just so you know that I won't get to see Jelena because she is up first on Stadium 2

Deboogle!.
03-12-2004, 04:14 PM
hmmm the USTA took some GOOD crack this time:
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By Greg Laub, USTA.com

The Bottom Half
Just because the top half is loaded, doesn't mean there isn't any talent on the lower half. Getting to the final is never easy.

What's interesting about this section is that a lot of the more intriguing players will clash with each other early on, meaning some unexpected players could sneak through to the later rounds before finding a top opponent.

First and foremost, if No. 3 Andy Roddick and No. 30 Marat Safin both win their second round matches, it will set up a repeat of the exciting Australian Open quarterfinal match between them Ė a tricky spot to watch for a third rounder. Roddick has not been his dominant self lately, and while Safin is a wild card entry, he is certainly an opponent that can use his similar strengths to outplay Roddick and knock him out early, as he did in the aforementioned match in Melbourne. Safin also beat Roddick in their only other match, back in 2001.

Most likely, Safin will play fellow Russian Nikolay Davydenko in his opening match, while Roddick should find himself playing fellow American Jan-Michael Gambill.

The winner of a Safin-Roddick match would probably find Sjeng Schalken or Vince Spadea (canít stop him now!) waiting in the fourth round, while Rotterdam finalist Tim Henman or Rainer Schuettler are the favorites to be the next opponents in the quarterfinals.

If Roddick can get past Safin, he should be able to roll past Schalken, Schuettler, Spadea or any surprise quarterfinalist, and though he might have trouble with sudden nemesis Henman, overall this is not a tough draw at all for Andy. (mmmmmm good crack for USTA.com)

Assuming Andy does make it that far, he might not have such an easy time in the semifinals. No. 2 seed Juan Carlos Ferrero is the favorite, even if he did just lose in the first round at Marseille.

Havok
03-12-2004, 04:14 PM
yeah i know star:wavey: but if her and Daniela win their 1st round matches, they should be on stadium court so you should be able to see them :rocker2: that is if you're still there

Havok
03-12-2004, 04:17 PM
LMFAO. can someone please stop giving USTA.com crack to smoke before they write these articles:retard: oh for sure the likes of Safin, Henman, Schuettler, Schalken oh yes they are suck easy players to beat Andy should just write his name in the semifinals slot:drive:
bunch of crackheads:scared: but the winner of Safin/Roddick will make the semis pretty much, unless henman actually shows up at a big event :scared:

star
03-12-2004, 04:20 PM
and star you dissed his red/white trucker hat. oh no you didn't!!!:scared::retard:

They are SO ugly!

and I am a very bad bad girl. :devil:

Deboogle!.
03-12-2004, 04:20 PM
LMFAO. can someone please stop giving USTA.com crack to smoke before they write these articles:retard: oh for sure the likes of Safin, Henman, Schuettler, Schalken oh yes they are suck easy players to beat Andy should just write his name in the semifinals slot:drive:
bunch of crackheads:scared: but the winner of Safin/Roddick will make the semis pretty much, unless henman actually shows up at a big event :scared:

LOL I know! The only one who's "easy" for Andy is Schalken. But then it's still a stretch. As for Henman, he troubles Andy a LOT, if they meet I would not be so sure of Andy's chances. And Henman likes it at IW, he was a finalist before. But I can't even think that far ahead lol

Deboogle!.
03-12-2004, 04:22 PM
They are SO ugly!

and I am a very bad bad girl. :devil:

:secret: I'm not a fan either

star
03-12-2004, 04:24 PM
hmmm the USTA took some GOOD crack this time:
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overall this is not a tough draw at all for Andy. .

Let me be the first to raise the flag.

:bs:

Deboogle!.
03-12-2004, 04:26 PM
oooohhhhhh yes, perfect use of the flag

I'll second it!

:bs:

star
03-12-2004, 04:29 PM
yeah i know star:wavey: but if her and Daniela win their 1st round matches, they should be on stadium court so you should be able to see them :rocker2: that is if you're still there

I will go see Jelena if she is playing Daniela.

That's a pretty good draw for Jelena. Don't know about Daniela.

I think we saw Dokic yesterday, but her body has changed so much... gotten heavier, that I'm not sure.

All of these girls are so gorgeous, it's revolting. :p

The guys are gorgeous too, but it's not so revolting. :D

Deboogle!.
03-12-2004, 04:34 PM
All of these girls are so gorgeous, it's revolting. :p

The guys are gorgeous too, but it's not so revolting. :D

:spit: :haha:

Havok
03-12-2004, 04:43 PM
I will go see Jelena if she is playing Daniela.

That's a pretty good draw for Jelena. Don't know about Daniela.

I think we saw Dokic yesterday, but her body has changed so much... gotten heavier, that I'm not sure.

All of these girls are so gorgeous, it's revolting. :p

The guys are gorgeous too, but it's not so revolting. :D
nope her body hasn't really changed. 03 she got a little too skinny and at the end of the season, when she finally started getting her old form back, she had put on some weight and looked like she used to in 02 when she was playing awesome tennis. i find her much hotter when she was "heavier" than a little too thin for most of 03:drool:

Fumus
03-12-2004, 08:09 PM
Dokic soooo hoott want to touch the hinny!! Owwwwwooooooo!

In othernews:

Mal Washington doesn't know Tennis from Ping Pong...and Pat Mac lives in the shadow of his brother

Our Top Story:
Go Roddick beat those commie bastards! Oh wait, that was the 1980 Winter Olympics(Hockey Team)

Go little Hiwatha Roddick, ride into battle at Indian wells...and return victorious..

Random Thoughts:
I think Mary Joe or Pam Shiver is the most annoying commentary...the best is always John Mac, Cliffy D, Mary Carillo, Bud Collins and (Martina Navratalova whenever she does it)...

Havok
03-12-2004, 08:10 PM
yeah so hot, but yet she can't win a fuckin match. fuck she makes me so pissed :timebomb:

Fumus
03-12-2004, 08:12 PM
yeah so hot, but yet she can't win a fuckin match. fuck she makes me so pissed :timebomb:

yea but about the the other stuff Naldo, talk about the commentary and little Hiawatha

Deboogle!.
03-12-2004, 08:53 PM
Our Top Story:
Go Roddick beat those commie bastards! Oh wait, that was the 1980 Winter Olympics(Hockey Team)

Go little Hiwatha Roddick, ride into battle at Indian wells...and return victorious..


OMG LMGDFAO *Dead* Hiawatha Roddick Omgggggg on the floor

J. Corwin
03-12-2004, 08:54 PM
USTA article...biased much?? LOL

Deboogle!.
03-12-2004, 08:57 PM
biased much or just cracked-up much?????

Havok
03-12-2004, 08:58 PM
dunno, take your pick:retard:

Deboogle!.
03-12-2004, 09:04 PM
LMFAO You love that emoticon don't you?

It's both, btw. But more cracked up than biased lmfao

Havok
03-12-2004, 09:13 PM
yes, i have found 2 new pets : :scared::retard:

Deboogle!.
03-12-2004, 09:18 PM
LMAO I noticed ;) :yeah:

Deboogle!.
03-12-2004, 11:37 PM
Andy did his press conference today.

Audio: http://www.pacificlifeopen.com/10/audio_rx.asp

Deboogle!.
03-12-2004, 11:46 PM
I like a lot of what he has to say except for the "fighting a couple injuries here and there" :/

"the more matches I win, the better-looking I get"

omg dead :haha:

I especially like what he says in the third one.

WyveN
03-13-2004, 12:25 AM
Maybe we just need to have a thread for discusing what's wrong and what's right with Andy's game where the lurkers and those who like to argue/discuss with them can enjoy themselves. I've stayed away from GM for so long, and just am in the players forums mostly now. I NEVER see this sort of thing in any other player forum I visit.

oh stop bitching - now your unhappy with discussions about Andy's game.

And yes Bunk I saw him in Doha

Deboogle!.
03-13-2004, 12:29 AM
And yes Bunk I saw him in Doha

Cool, thanks. Lucky you ;)

Havok
03-13-2004, 01:03 AM
nice audio clips:yeah: thanks for the heads up bunk;)

Deboogle!.
03-13-2004, 01:07 AM
nice audio clips:yeah: thanks for the heads up bunk;)

You're quite welcome :)

heya
03-13-2004, 01:21 AM
I feel like giving Andy a wedgie. He's a Round Butted BAD BOY.
He's uptight already, so a little loosening in the caboose is required.
I might as well block Indian Wells out of my memory
because AR's the new OAF---Very talented but not :devil: properly trained :aplot: by myself!

Deboogle!.
03-13-2004, 01:29 AM
LMGDFAO Heya

heya
03-13-2004, 01:40 AM
Come TO my PLANET: ASSIN GRABBIN
All aboard the mother ship!!

Deboogle!.
03-13-2004, 01:41 AM
:spit: omg stop you're killing me

Deboogle!.
03-13-2004, 02:32 AM
Roddick Rearing to Go
pacificlifeopen.com


Reigning US Open champion Andy Roddick makes his second appearance at the Pacific Life Open knowing that the time is right to make a serious challenge for the title. The 21-year-old American, who captured back-to-back ATP Masters Series titles on the hard courts of Montreal and Cincinnati last summer, is 17-4 this year and captured the 12th trophy of his young career in San Jose last month. Having lost to Rainer Schuettler in the quarterfinals here 12 months ago, the 2003 year-end World No. 1 is ready and raring to go.

ďIíve been hitting the ball pretty well the last couple of days in practice, maybe over the last couple of weeks,Ē said Roddick. ďSo Iím excited to get started here. I love playing in the States. The ingredients are there for something good, so I just have to get to it now.Ē

Roddick, who reached the quarterfinals at the Australian Open and Memphis earlier this year as well as the semifinals in Scottsdale, said that despite his achievements last year, he canít rest on any laurels.

ďIím trying to kind of forget about [last year] and maybe start a new chapter,Ē said the American. ďIím not trying to focus too much on last year, Iím trying to focus on the here and now.Ē

With everyone talking about a blossoming rivalry with current INDESIT ATP 2004 Race leader Roger Federer, Roddick added: ďItís not a two-man race at this point. I think Rogerís obviously established himself as the top player by going through and winning in Australia, but I think there are too many other players to make it just a two-or three-man race.Ē

Roddick will begin his 2004 Pacific Life Open campaign against either Jan-Michael Gambill or John van Lottum.

tangerine_dream
03-13-2004, 04:16 AM
No one's asking him how his back is doing?

Deboogle!.
03-13-2004, 04:23 AM
In the audio clips he talks about a couple of injuries here and there. Other than that, they probably have asked him but they only publish a few select clips.

Gambill is pretty much spanking van Lottum and having another obscenely good serving night, so Andy will have to play incredibly, especially b/c JMG will probably be out for revenge. :scared:

Deboogle!.
03-13-2004, 05:45 AM
well it's official now, Gambill it is.

I'm really nervous about this for some reason. *bites nails*

star
03-13-2004, 06:14 AM
I like a lot of what he has to say except for the "fighting a couple injuries here and there" :/

"the more matches I win, the better-looking I get"

omg dead :haha:

I especially like what he says in the third one.

Andy stole that line from Rafter.

J. Corwin
03-13-2004, 10:05 AM
I liked what he said in that second clip. He knows that HE has to impose HIS game on his opponents and start playing more aggresively instead of passively and being dictated to.

I can't wait to see this match on TV (hopefully they'll be showing this one). The closeness of this Andy/Jan-Mike matchup makes it that much more exciting.

Deboogle!.
03-13-2004, 02:28 PM
I don't see how they'd show it on tv actually... the only coverage tomorrow (Sunday) is early in the afternoon - the first match of the day. :sad:

star
03-13-2004, 02:30 PM
I'm not worried about this match.

If Andy can't beat the likes of Gambill then he's got a whole lot of soul searching to do.

Andy also would have beaten JVL with ease if he hadn't had a complete meltdown. I think the meltdown had more to do with his nerves being on edge because he doesn't really feel that confident. I don't know if that's because he questions his physical condition or from something else. At anyrate, he used to have those meltdowns earlier in his career because he was on edge and nervous.

And Bunk!!! Now I know why you like Robin. :)

He's got a big serve, a big forehand, and a fiery temperament. Of course, he rants on in Swedish so it's not possible to understand what's being said, but he talked to himself and his coach a lot. And he got fired up about some line calls too. Not quite as much as Ivan got mad, but... he let off some steam.

Deboogle!.
03-13-2004, 02:45 PM
LOL Well in the match I saw of Robin's he won quite easily so he was actually pretty even-keeled, but I could sort of see that fire in him, y'know? That's what I like, I don't need for a player to express it but if I can feel it and connect with it, I connect with him :)

I was SO happy he won! Glad you got to see him too :)

And I agree, Andy should win. Hopefully he just remembers how great he played in Scottsdale and that Gambill can't attack his backhand like he could when they played in '01-'02. Andy's press conference sounded very optimistic so hopefully he's not all talk. I don't know, I just worry a lot. Remember my whole bizarre quirk about worrying about stuff that's far away from my own life more than stuff with my own life? I should be way more worried about the 6 law schools I've not hear from yet and what I'm going to do about it all than tennis, but alas, easier to worry about tennis lol

You must have had a LONG day yesterday, praytell why are you up at 6:30!?

Oh and what I thought was actually most interesting about Robin's match I saw, wasn't Robin so much as Malisse - b/c he talked to himself a lot but it was all in English!

star
03-13-2004, 03:14 PM
Well, I was up even much before that. I already showered and shampooed and everything, and even posted some before I got that post in.

It was over 12 hours yesterday! I did go up high in the stands during TJ's match and stretched out on a bleacher and closed my eyes a bit.

But really I couldn't go home because I wanted desperately to see Nadal, and then Robin! I had to see Robin. That last set was so close.

I was sitting right behind the linesman ... I mean like three feet from him... and he talked to me. and the next one did too! I never knew the linesmen would talk to the fans. I was a little shocked.

But in that last set, I think nearly every game was won at 15. No break points at all. Ivan got mad in the first set about a call. He was still talking about it on the change over. My friend said, "Well I thought he tanked that game." (meaning because he was pouting) I replied, "Good. I think he should tank the match too. In fact, he should be so outraged that he walks off the court." The linesman turned and said, "I think so too," and laughed. Sort of like... anything to get off this court early. The next one after the rotation had a little weather conversation with me when I was telling my friend that I was so cold.

Deboogle!.
03-13-2004, 03:45 PM
omg how can you get up so early? LOL And I was mad to be awake at 8:15 ;)

I noticed the line judges talking to people too! During the changeovers in Scottsdale they'd take seats and people in the front rows would talk to them. I thought it was funny!!

I'm very impressed that you'd be able to fall asleep in a tennis stadium with a match going on. I need complete silence and darkness to sleep lol

star
03-13-2004, 04:06 PM
I didn't fall asleep exactly, but I rested.

Tennis sounds are very soothing. The practice courts were behind me with the sounds of dozen's of balls being struck. There was practically no one up there. I could feel the stands moving as people came and went during the change overs. But, I had my had over my face western style, and I was mainly just listening to the sounds.

And the reason I can get up early is because I am old.

When I was your age, I could sleep til noon, or I could stay up all night and all the next day and never notice. Sleep patterns change over time. I mean, some people are always night birds even when they are old, but generally teens and young adults are more night persons.... it's a scientific fact. :)

Now, you would have to tie me in bed to get me to stay there past 9 no matter how late I've been up. I think 7:30 or maybe 8 is the latest I've been able to sleep in years and years and years.

Deboogle!.
03-13-2004, 04:11 PM
I know... that's why I'm worried about when I get older since I'm such a bad sleeper now :scared: lol

but that's good you could rest during the day :) Another long one coming up for you today? Who are you going to try to see?

Deboogle!.
03-13-2004, 04:19 PM
Brad checked in with an IW preview:
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3.13.2004 -

Here we are at Indian Wells, a truly outstanding tournament with tons of talent, as witnessed by the potential of a possible RoddickóSafin third round clash. That said, the worse thing in the world to do is to fret over the draw, because then it can become a mental hang up. Andy has spent the last 3 days practicing his aggressive all-court attacking game, which we hope will pay big dividends in the desert. I like the sound of that! :yeah: Now for a look at a few of this years other contenders.



Federer comes into Indian Wells riding a wave of phenomenal tennis. Heís only lost one match this year, having captured both the Australian Open and more recently Dubai. Heís really put the pressure early on the rest of the field. Donít be surprised if this guy has a monster tournament, and even scarier year.



A disappointment to this yearís event is the number two seed Fererro's withdrawal due to a case of chicken pox. But the good news is that Andreís back after a slight injury where he tweaked his hip in San Jose, and as a result had to pull out of Scottsdale last week. Double A has been here in Palm Desert for over a week practicing, and heís in a good part of the draw. I look for him to have a good tournament. Any time when Andre is well prepared and gets in a good amount of practice heís extremely dangerous.



Henman could be a dark horse in this years event. Itís always nice for the players to come back to the stages where they have performed well. With his big kicker expect him to get into the net behind a lot of serves. The fact he has a sweet draw, should propell him nicely out of the starting gate.



Watch out for Nadal. He seems to be the next young guy poised to become a champion. I believe that his ability to play well on all surfaces makes him a serious contender here on these courts. The only real vulnerable spot in his game now is his serve. Heís a big strong bull, so once he improves his serve, look out for those horns.



I give big props to Tommy Haas, in his third tournament back after missing 15 months. He wins his first match over the big hitting Tomas Enqvist. Letís hope that this man is back on the road to recovery. After two shoulder surgeries itís nice to have him back.



Letís also give Vince Spadea kudos after going 222 tournaments without a title. Unfortunately he beat my guy Andy, by raising the level of his game to make a great come back. After ten years on the tour and closing in fast on 30 years of age that must have been a nice reward for him.



This is also a big week for the young Americans. A couple of these young guns did very well here last year. Between here and Miami itís going to be really important to determine who the second guy is going to step up to play against Sweden. Right now Mardy Fish is the highest ranked guy amongst them, but Iíd have to say itís still fairly open. Whoever brings it here and in Miami will most likely be that second guy.



The thing to keep in mind about the first two Super Nineís (Indian Wells and Miami) is that there is no one style of play that is favored. The reason being is that this is a slow gritty hard court. Clay courterís have done well here, serve and volleyerís have succeeded, which makes for some highly entertaining match ups. The big servers are neutralized. That said itís not too slow of a surface where itís un-watchable. I would say itís the Goldie Locks of all surfaces, itís not to fast, and itís not to slow, its just right. This really makes for an unfolding of a tournament where anything can happen.

star
03-13-2004, 04:39 PM
btw, saw the onewhoremainsnamelessforfearofattractingevillurker s and that left arm is ...like wow... really a lot smaller. I'd never seen him without a shirt before.

Deboogle!.
03-13-2004, 04:43 PM
omg LMGDFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

tangerine_dream
03-13-2004, 06:04 PM
btw, saw the onewhoremainsnamelessforfearofattractingevillurker s and that left arm is ...like wow... really a lot smaller. I'd never seen him without a shirt before.

Yeah, it's pretty scary. :scared: I don't know why he doesn't work out that side of the body. When one side is overdeveloped, the other side struggles to compensate. When he gets older, he's going to have some nerve problems with his neck, back, arm, etc.

I'm glad Andy doesn't look like that. :bolt:

Deboogle!.
03-13-2004, 06:35 PM
Andy looks perfect :) He's really quite well-proportioned actually.

J. Corwin
03-13-2004, 10:00 PM
Comments:


Deb gives Andy the thumbs up. :)

*yawn* I just got up not too long ago. Feels great (after going to bed at 4am) :)

TV coverage early tomorrow. So close yet so far away.

I'm excited to read that Andy's been practicing his all-court attacking game. He better play like he practices and not withdraw back into a shell.

I'm pretty sure we won't see Andy's first match, but I'm confident he'll advance farther than that. Otherwise, he doesn't deserve being on TV anyway. ;)

Thanks star for all your posts. :)

I now go to working on my paper.

Deboogle!.
03-13-2004, 10:14 PM
Comments:


Deb gives Andy the thumbs up. :)


Of course I do :) :yeah::yeah:

I'm pretty sure we won't see Andy's first match, but I'm confident he'll advance farther than that. Otherwise, he doesn't deserve being on TV anyway. ;)


Yea I'm pretty sure we won't either. Then again they had to know that they wouldn't put a big draw match on court first - so why did they put the coverage on at 11am CA local time? LOL oh well. and yes I agree, if he loses to Gambill he doesn't deserve to be on tv ;) Everyone sounds pretty optimistic (everyone being Brad and Andy lmgdfao) so let's put the money where the mouth is.

Havok
03-13-2004, 10:52 PM
YAY i don't even get coverage tomorrow:retard: im not worried about Gambill tomorrow, being pished by Van Lottum isn't so great :scared: good to read those little bits that Gilbert had to say :rocker2:
and why is everyone using ":scared:" now???:scared::retard:

Deboogle!.
03-13-2004, 11:23 PM
LOL But van Lottum pushed Andy a little too ;)

Andy will be ok. he HAS to. With Ferrero out, he has such an opportunity to catch up. If he blows it, he doesn't deserve to!

Havok
03-13-2004, 11:37 PM
LOL But van Lottum pushed Andy a little too ;)

Andy will be ok. he HAS to. With Ferrero out, he has such an opportunity to catch up. If he blows it, he doesn't deserve to!
yes thanks to an outburst :scared: now Andy no outbursts in your match vs Ken Doll

heya
03-14-2004, 12:31 AM
Andy probably won't start playing like a champ for at least several months. His mind is wandering. Every nite. boobies of all shapes and sizes are in his dreams. Ken Doll is not too interesting or great looking. blechh.

Deboogle!.
03-14-2004, 01:13 AM
LOL heya

everything will be fiiiiiiiiiiineeeeee :)

Deboogle!.
03-14-2004, 01:16 AM
whoa I just saw that Taylor actually beat Guga.... star's going to be crushed :(

Deboogle!.
03-14-2004, 03:10 AM
Well ESPN has pulled off the seemingly impossible.

Andy is first on Stadium court, play starts there at 11 (Pacific time). Interestingly enough, ESPN's coverage starts at 2pm Eastern.

tangerine_dream
03-14-2004, 03:44 AM
Well ESPN has pulled off the seemingly impossible.

Andy is first on Stadium court, play starts there at 11 (Pacific time). Interestingly enough, ESPN's coverage starts at 2pm Eastern.

:haha: ESPN = All Andy, All the Time. I love it! :devil:

Havok
03-14-2004, 04:07 AM
YAY so i can go to bed on time and get a shitload of extra sleep since i got march break:rocker2:
TSN- doesn't give two shits about tennis coverage:scared:

heya
03-14-2004, 04:17 AM
Spank him very much. Andy has a loud mouth, nowadays, doesn't he? :shout: