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TMC RR: Nadal def. Davydenko 5-7 6-4 6-4, advances to SF

shotgun
11-17-2006, 02:05 PM
No thread for this yet? :lol:

Ok, here it is.

bad gambler
11-17-2006, 02:10 PM
:yeah:

Adler
11-17-2006, 02:10 PM
Bad luck for Davydenko. Match was close, he just made too many errors and didn't return well. Anyway, great match by both players

FSRteam
11-17-2006, 02:11 PM
Have all a look at the stats! kolya was the better player in every single part of the game exept... break points! What a shame for him! :(

GermanBoy
11-17-2006, 02:12 PM
Oh no! :mad: :rolleyes:

oz_boz
11-17-2006, 02:13 PM
No thread for this yet? :lol:

Ok, here it is.

There were threads announcing the result before the match had actually been played. ;) But to cite a well known poster here on MTF, "Never in doubt."

Well done to both guys. Rafa for grinding out another victory, Kolya for going toe to toe with Nadal without any huge weapons, that was bit of a surprise for me.

And congrats to the Shanghai crowd now that the blockbuster rivalry match will take place.

Bilbo
11-17-2006, 02:15 PM
expected win by Rafa

Roger The Great
11-17-2006, 02:15 PM
Bad luck for Davydenko. Match was close, he just made too many errors and didn't return well. Anyway, great match by both players

Bad luck?? I don't think luck had much to do with it. Nadal was there for the taking today. Unfortunately, Davy is just one of many players right now who don't know how to win big matches. I'm SO dissapointed with how he played the final set.

patrickc
11-17-2006, 02:15 PM
davydenko choked away that last set, made 4 errors in the last game he was broken and only the last one on breakpoint could possibly be considered a forced error

Rogiman
11-17-2006, 02:16 PM
Davydenko outplayed him for the better part of the match and ended up winning more points - and losing.

To say the fact that the player who hit 13 less winners and spent the whole match chasing his opponent's balls and waiting for him to make an error turned out the winner isn't flattering to the game of tennis would be an understatement.

Alas, tomorrow Federer will tear him a new one.

Voo de Mar
11-17-2006, 02:16 PM
For me a very boring match. Davydenko won 6 points more...
Semi-final: Federer vs. Nadal :yeah: The first clash on indoor.

nanoman
11-17-2006, 02:16 PM
What a letdown. Can't believe Cola kept piling up the errors when Nadal started to look very vulnerable.

His bro and his wife should give him a good scolding on the plane home. Gave it away against Blake, the same happened today.

Fergie
11-17-2006, 02:16 PM
Kolya and his u.es :rolleyes:

Castafiore
11-17-2006, 02:18 PM
:lol:...not much of a cheering thread for now so...

Congrutations, Rafa for reaching the SF.
:)

I hope that his knee holds up.

gebl
11-17-2006, 02:19 PM
Congrats Rafa

*Ljubica*
11-17-2006, 02:19 PM
Kolya :tears: :sobbing:

mallorn
11-17-2006, 02:21 PM
:lol:...not much of a cheering thread for now so...
The disappointment is palpable, isn't it? :lol:

Well done Rafa. :)

Action Jackson
11-17-2006, 02:22 PM
Typical PMK when he plays against a better player. When he has the chance to seize the initiative and close the deal he fails to do so, in this tournament against Blake and Nadal. At the AO this year against Federer.

These are some of the reasons he has a poor record against the best players.

FSRteam
11-17-2006, 02:24 PM
Davydenko outplayed him for the better part of the match and ended up winning more points - and losing.

To say the fact that the player who hit 13 less winners and spent the whole match chasing his opponent's balls and waiting for him to make an error turned out the winner isn't flattering to the game of tennis would be an understatement.

Alas, tomorrow Federer will tear him a new one.

So right, but unfortunaltely every rafa's win has been and will be like this! :(

Adler
11-17-2006, 02:24 PM
Bad luck??
You're right, maybe it's not a proper phrase, but he was visibly better for long. He just can't make the final punch when his opponent is on the ropes. Pity

But there's a blockbuster tomorrow and that is great

Castafiore
11-17-2006, 02:26 PM
The disappointment is palpable, isn't it? :lol:. :)
it's heartwarming. ;)

maldini
11-17-2006, 02:27 PM
this guy must have been pretty nervous, look at the reactions after his victory......
but tomorrow he'll get ripped by roger....

Action Jackson
11-17-2006, 02:27 PM
Got to win the points that count.

sawan66278
11-17-2006, 02:31 PM
Of all the victories I have seen, this was the worst I have seen Rafa play and win...Unbelievable...I cannot remember a single shot from Rafa I was impressed with. He has one scrambling point, but other than that: nothing:sad: .

How he won the match, I do not know. But that is the mark of a champion...winning when not playing well... or average;)

Rafa was on the defensive the ENTIRE match...he never took it to Davy except for one point (the first point) I believe at 4-3 serving. For some reason, he was staying about five feet behind the baseline, and letting Davy dictate play. Allowing a player like Davy dictate play is unheard of...he is a counterpuncher, and for some reason, Rafa was spending most of the time on the Shanghai logo!!!!

He needs to be aggressive like he was in the second set against Robredo. If he plays like he did today, Roger can change the head to head to 3-6 in under an hour.

Clara Bow
11-17-2006, 02:36 PM
An ugly match by Rafa. But- at least he was able to scrape out a win. He used to be able to scrape out a win when he playing far from his best, but has not been able to do so these past few months. There is no way if he plays like this against Roger that he will be able to get more than 5 or six games in total, however. I am still wondering where his game from Wimbledon went. Or at least how he played against Haas in Madrid.

Happy wedding and good luck in the DC, Davy.

The Pro
11-17-2006, 02:46 PM
Got to win the points that count.

That's right.

A win is a win, unless you win particularly ugly. It's not news to anyone that Nadal is a ball chaser over a winner hitter. So I don't see why people think this rubs it in. Maybe Nadal wanted to save his arms for Federer.

NYCtennisfan
11-17-2006, 02:49 PM
I was surprised that Davy spent a good part of the match running Nadal around, outhit Nadal, and really had a chance to take this.

rrfnpump
11-17-2006, 02:51 PM
pfffff Kolya :fiery:

Rogiman
11-17-2006, 02:52 PM
I was surprised that Davy spent a good part of the match running Nadal around, outhit Nadal, and really had a chance to take this.
I wasn't, Davy's technique is better and healthier on both wings.

Naranoc
11-17-2006, 02:58 PM
Did anyone else see him write Federer's name on the camera and cross it out after the match?

RonE
11-17-2006, 02:58 PM
Davydenko outplayed him for the better part of the match and ended up winning more points - and losing.

To say the fact that the player who hit 13 less winners and spent the whole match chasing his opponent's balls and waiting for him to make an error turned out the winner isn't flattering to the game of tennis would be an understatement.

Alas, tomorrow Federer will tear him a new one.

Agree with every word you said apart from Federer ripping him tomorrow.

Kolya :smash: :smash: :smash:

Pomat
11-17-2006, 03:03 PM
I've heard that Nadal injured (or pretended?) during the match
tactical time-out?

mallorn
11-17-2006, 03:07 PM
Did anyone else see him write Federer's name on the camera and cross it out after the match?
I did.

After a win, Rafa signs the camera lens and then usually writes the number of the next round (sometimes he crosses it out). So I guess that's why he wrote Roger's name - his next opponent.

Clara Bow
11-17-2006, 03:08 PM
I've heard that Nadal injured (or pretended?) during the match
tactical time-out?


He got his knee taped at 1-1 in the third (he has been wearing braces the whole tournament). I don't think it was tactical because both players were holding serve easily and Nadal was the last to serve. If anything- momentum was with him and if it was tactical it would have been a very stupid tactic. Davy held easily the next game anyway.

Did anyone else see him write Federer's name on the camera and cross it out after the match?

Yep- I think he was being cheeky. He sometimes is when signing the camera. One time after a match he wrote something along the lines of calling his friend a goofball. And as Mallorn said- it could also just be his usual mo of writing the next round and crossing it out.

Naranoc
11-17-2006, 03:09 PM
^ :lol:

To say the fact that the player who hit 13 less winners and spent the whole match chasing his opponent's balls and waiting for him to make an error turned out the winner isn't flattering to the game of tennis would be an understatement.

I think it just says a lot about his opponents mental capabilities (or lack of them).

GlennMirnyi
11-17-2006, 03:16 PM
Davydenko outplayed him for the better part of the match and ended up winning more points - and losing.

To say the fact that the player who hit 13 less winners and spent the whole match chasing his opponent's balls and waiting for him to make an error turned out the winner isn't flattering to the game of tennis would be an understatement.

Alas, tomorrow Federer will tear him a new one.

All because of this stupid RR format. This is only good for chokers.

I think that shows the quality (or lack of) of the actual top 10. Most are defeated by moonballing and running.

GlennMirnyi
11-17-2006, 03:19 PM
Did anyone else see him write Federer's name on the camera and cross it out after the match?

Pretentious moonballer. He will get what's his tomorrow.

About the numerous time-outs, it takes a lot of naïveté to believe he's not doing that to delay his opponent.

Sunset of Age
11-17-2006, 03:28 PM
I did.

After a win, Rafa signs the camera lens and then usually writes the number of the next round (sometimes he crosses it out). So I guess that's why he wrote Roger's name - his next opponent.

I have to say I was quite shocked when I saw this... (I did, yeah).
Not very classy, I'm afraid... anyway.

tangerine_dream
11-17-2006, 03:29 PM
Excellent win, Rafa! Congrats :woohoo:

GlennMirnyi
11-17-2006, 03:32 PM
I have to say I was quite shocked when I saw this... (I did, yeah).
Not very classy, I'm afraid... anyway.

Shocked how? After the things he called Berdych after he had done the same thing to the French, showing total hypocrisy...

Clara Bow
11-17-2006, 03:33 PM
I have to say I was quite shocked when I saw this... (I did, yeah).
Not very classy, I'm afraid... anyway.

As I said earlier- I actually think he was being silly and cheeky, as he is prone to do when signing the lens. But- we can all have our different interpretations.

musefanatic
11-17-2006, 03:37 PM
Did anyone else see him write Federer's name on the camera and cross it out after the match?

Hmm i find that kinda childish really, you wouldn't ever get Roger doing something like that i'm sure! From what's been said this didn't sound like a great match but i guess well done to Nadal. I hope Roger takes it to him :)

Sunset of Age
11-17-2006, 03:38 PM
As I said earlier- I actually think he was being silly and cheeky, as he is prone to do. But- we can all have our different interpretations.

I'm enough of a fan of his to give him the benefit of the doubt... but I have to admit it somehow does make me question the honesty of his modesty towards Rogi. Anyway, I hope you are right and I am not.

guga2120
11-17-2006, 03:41 PM
i thought it would be close, but not a suprising result, he served a little bit better today, and writing Federer's name on the camera,:D , Nadal and Federer its about time again.

RonE
11-17-2006, 03:41 PM
^ :lol:


I think it just says a lot about his opponents mental capabilities (or lack of them).

This is getting ridiculous. We need more players who have the confidence and contempt that Berdych has when he is playing Nadal. That is the way to beat him.

And not even Roger as great as he is has that kind of contempt and that has cost him at least two of his matches against Nadal and I suspect it will also cost him tomorrow.

Pfloyd
11-17-2006, 03:41 PM
Come the F**k on.

Wow, he signed Roger's name and crossed it out, what an a-hole.

Some of you tards are unbelievable and look at anything to critisize him.

Please.

I personally thought it was quite cool.

GlennMirnyi
11-17-2006, 03:42 PM
This is getting ridiculous. We need more players who have the confidence and contempt that Berdych has when he is playing Nadal. That is the way to beat him.

And not even Roger as great as he is has that kind of contempt and that has cost him at least two of his matches against Nadal and I suspect it will also cost him tomorrow.

Federer won't lose tomorrow.

GlennMirnyi
11-17-2006, 03:43 PM
Come the F**k on.

Wow, he signed Roger's name and crossed it out, what an a-hole.

Some of you tards are unbelievable and look at anything to critisize him.

Please.

I personally thought it was quite cool.

If it were Federer who did it, I'm sure you'd one of the first to come here say he's arrogant.

mallorn
11-17-2006, 03:46 PM
I'm enough of a fan of his to give him the benefit of the doubt... but I have to admit it somehow does make me question the honesty of his modesty towards Rogi. Anyway, I hope you are right and I am not.
Well, I'd be shocked too, if it had been the first time it happened. But it wasn't the first time, and I really doubt he did it only because his next opponent is Roger - like I said, he's been doing it for quite a while. Sometimes he's so excited after a match he goes quite crazy with all the winking and scribbling. ;)

Pfloyd
11-17-2006, 03:46 PM
If it were Federer who did it, I'm sure you'd one of the first to come here say he's arrogant.

For one thing Federer's 25, Nadal's 20.

It suits Nadal better than it does Federer.

Another thing is that Nadal has been playing quite crappy, and after his win today he was quite happy.

I don't see Federer doing that, but I don't belive it's worth going hay-wire about it. BFD.

It was a joke, wow.

Let's talk about what Federer said about Djokoviv if you want a real argument. Please.

Rogiman
11-17-2006, 03:48 PM
And not even Roger as great as he is has that kind of contempt and that has cost him at least two of his matches against Nadal and I suspect it will also cost him tomorrow.Dude, tomorrow is the day.

Roger will give him such a good beating, people will be using it as a future reference: "What was the match like?" "Boring, a total blowout, but not as much as that day when Federer totally destroyed that young washed-out spanish what's-his-face guy".

GlennMirnyi
11-17-2006, 03:49 PM
For one thing Federer's 25, Nadal's 20.

It suits Nadal better than it does Federer.

Another thing is that Nadal has been playing quite crappy, and after his win today he was quite happy.

I don't see Federer doing that, but I don't belive it's worth going hay-wire about it. BFD.

It was a joke, wow.

Let's talk about what Federer said about Djokoviv if you want a real argument. Please.

At least Federer is not a hypocrite whiner that when gets spanked goes out offending other players.

It suits nobody doing something like that. Maybe it would suit a 14 year old.

GlennMirnyi
11-17-2006, 03:51 PM
Dude, tomorrow is the day.

Roger will give him such a good beating, people will be using it as a future reference: "What was the match like?" "Boring, a total blowout, but not as much as that day when Federer totally destroyed that young washed-out spanish what's-his-face guy".

Not like that, mate. In fact, Roger's mental block against the moonballer is so huge that I don't see him winning so easily.
He will win, though.

Pfloyd
11-17-2006, 03:53 PM
That's not offensive, what he wrote, with the humor he was in being the personality that he is, the action was not offensive.

Your making it look offensive cause you hate Nadal and you distort anything he does. You simply like saying usless, pointless arguments when reffering to nadal. Your nadal arguments lead nowhere and simply take up (what could be) useful space.

GlennMirnyi
11-17-2006, 03:54 PM
That's not offensive, what he wrote, with the humor he was in being the personality that he is, the action was not offensive.

Your making it look offensive cause you hate Nadal and you distort anything he does. You simply like saying usless, pointless arguments when reffering to nadal. Your nadal arguments lead nowhere and simply take up (what could be) useful space.

If he were humourous, why didn't he laugh at Berdych? :shrug:

Pfloyd
11-17-2006, 03:55 PM
If he were humourous, why didn't he laugh at Berdych? :shrug:

What did berdych do that was "funny"?

Telling people to shut up? I don't see the humor there.

GlennMirnyi
11-17-2006, 03:57 PM
What did berdych do that was "funny"?

Telling people to shut up? I don't see the humor there.

There you go, big boy. Humour is subjective. I found Berdych's gesture really funny.

Rogiman
11-17-2006, 04:11 PM
Not like that, mate. In fact, Roger's mental block against the moonballer is so huge that I don't see him winning so easily.
He will win, though.This time it's different ;)

Straight sets, that's for sure.

BlakeJamitis
11-17-2006, 04:16 PM
As inconsistent as Blake is, give me his game anyday over Davydenko. He seems to have all the shots yet his game is so blah. What a BORING match.

Congrats to Nadal for hanging in there & taking it. It's a win for tennis anyway since Fed would have crushed Koyla tomorrow.

shotgun
11-17-2006, 04:20 PM
This is getting ridiculous. We need more players who have the confidence and contempt that Berdych has when he is playing Nadal. That is the way to beat him.

Well surely you wouldn't expect this from Davydenko, a player who clearly struggles and fails to close the deal against better players than himself, like GWH pointed out.

Rogiman
11-17-2006, 04:22 PM
Well surely you wouldn't expect this from Davydenko, a player who clearly struggles and fails to close the deal against better players than himself, like GWH pointed out.I saw nothing in Nadal's game, NOTHING (forehand, backhand, serve, slice) that suggests he's better than Davydenko.

Technically Davydenko is much better than Nadal.

Deivid23
11-17-2006, 04:26 PM
I saw nothing in Nadal's game, NOTHING (forehand, backhand, serve, slice) that suggests he's better than Davydenko.



That´s why you are a retard ;)

Rogiman
11-17-2006, 04:29 PM
That´s why you are a retard ;)Well, Chanchinho, what's your prediction for tomorrow? ;)

Deivid23
11-17-2006, 04:33 PM
Great match from both players and a big lol for those who said Kolya totally outplayed Nadal. It requires huge effort (and skill) to cope with Davydenko playing at his best which was what he was doing today so I have no doubt the better player won in the end.

PD: If the match went down the wire as it went and decided in a few points, it only could have been a winner out there and that was Rafael Nadal, well done kid :yeah:

Deivid23
11-17-2006, 04:34 PM
Well, Chanchinho, what's your prediction for tomorrow? ;)

Not worst than yours when predicting Federer winning Nadal in Dubai, Rome, Paris last year :lol:

I like the fact you´re again convinced Federer will win, cause your predictions are awful and I´m being generous :hug:

Rogiman
11-17-2006, 04:36 PM
Not worst than yours when predicting Federer winning Nadal in Dubai, Rome, Paris last year :lol:

I like the fact you´re again convinced Federer will win, cause your predictions are awful and I´m being generous :hug:What is it then, are you going with El Chancho?

Deivid23
11-17-2006, 04:38 PM
What is it then, are you going with El Chancho?

Federer should win tomorrow, if you want an honest question

Rogiman
11-17-2006, 04:39 PM
Federer should win tomorrow, if you want an honest questionActually I was looking for a honest answer but I'll settle for that.

Deivid23
11-17-2006, 04:40 PM
Actually I was looking for a honest answer but I'll settle for that.

He should is not the same that he will ;)

Rogiman
11-17-2006, 04:42 PM
He should is not the same that he will ;)Straight sets amigo, write it down.

Deivid23
11-17-2006, 04:47 PM
Straight sets amigo, write it down.

Well, you´re due for a right prediction concerning the outcome of a Fed-Nadal´s match, so this may very well be the first time you´re right.

ChinoRios4Ever
11-17-2006, 04:48 PM
bravo rafa :bounce: :banana:

selyoink
11-17-2006, 05:43 PM
Stupid Davydenko should have won this one. Should have beat Blake too. He has to take these opportunities. Oh well, still an excellent year. I hope he caps it with a Davis Cup victory.

tangerine_dream
11-17-2006, 05:54 PM
I saw nothing in Nadal's game, NOTHING (forehand, backhand, serve, slice) that suggests he's better than Davydenko.
Technically Davydenko is much better than Nadal.
Mentally, Nadal is much better than Davydenko. And that's a huge part of the game. :)

Also, Davydenko can't hit passing shots the way Nadal can. Nadal's are just :bowdown:

GlennMirnyi
11-17-2006, 06:29 PM
Mentally, Nadal is much better than Davydenko. And that's a huge part of the game. :)

Also, Davydenko can't hit passing shots the way Nadal can. Nadal's are just :bowdown:

Yeah, passing Davydenko is sooo hard. :rolleyes:

RonE
11-17-2006, 06:33 PM
Well surely you wouldn't expect this from Davydenko, a player who clearly struggles and fails to close the deal against better players than himself, like GWH pointed out.

No I did not. Technically there is no question his kind of game can give fits to anyone on his day- but it is well known more often than not against players at the very top (and sometimes those not so close to the top) it is one thing being able to push them and another thing completely to close out the deal.

Davydenko's game is very sound but he is not a closer- Rafa is, end of story.

tangerine_dream
11-17-2006, 06:34 PM
Yeah, passing Davydenko is sooo hard. :rolleyes:
Nadal passes everybody, not just Davydenko. :p

Scotso
11-17-2006, 06:36 PM
Nikolay :sobbing:

GlennMirnyi
11-17-2006, 06:37 PM
Nadal passes everybody, not just Davydenko. :p

Blake wasn't passed.

DrJules
11-17-2006, 06:40 PM
I saw nothing in Nadal's game, NOTHING (forehand, backhand, serve, slice) that suggests he's better than Davydenko.

Technically Davydenko is much better than Nadal.

Rafael Nadal is the greatest exponent of what Brad Gilbert call: "Winning Ugly". From the Rafael Nadal perspective winning the match is the key issue. Playing exciting or watchable tennis is not the key objective. Winning is what counts.

I just wish he would conduct himself better on court. His excessive use of "Vamous" and excessive celebrations wheh he wins a point can be annoying and sometimes disrespectful towards opponents, but he has the right to play tennis the way he wants to play it. Maybe Bjorn Borg should be hired by the ATP to teach players how to behave on court.

GlennMirnyi
11-17-2006, 06:41 PM
Rafael Nadal is the greatest exponent of what Brad Gilbert call: "Winning Ugly". From the Rafael Nadal perspective winning the match is the key issue. Playing exciting or watchable tennis is not the key objective. Winning is what counts.

Unfortunately, the game today is resumed to that.

Corswandt
11-17-2006, 06:55 PM
Davydenko outplayed him for the better part of the match and ended up winning more points - and losing.

To say the fact that the player who hit 13 less winners and spent the whole match chasing his opponent's balls and waiting for him to make an error turned out the winner isn't flattering to the game of tennis would be an understatement.

Carve this in stone.

Nadal's passive, chickenshit (no matter how much macho posturing he does on court can hide that) game serves a purpose though - that of exposing the inconsistency of the rest of the Tour.

Bad Religion
11-17-2006, 06:59 PM
Bien Rafa .

Now , beat the Bitter One .


Glenn Mirnyi is the biggest moron in Mens Tennis Forums.

tangerine_dream
11-17-2006, 06:59 PM
Blake wasn't passed.
But...but...how is that Nadal can pass somebody as technical perfect as Federer but not someone with ugly technique like Blake? :confused:

Carve this in stone.
Nadal's passive, chickenshit (no matter how much macho posturing he does on court can hide that) game serves a purpose though - that of exposing the inconsistency of the rest of the Tour.
How about we carve a big, fat letter "L" on your forehead instead? That would make more sense than your brain-dead Nadal theories.

GlennMirnyi
11-17-2006, 07:00 PM
Bien Rafa .

Now , beat the Bitter One .


Glenn Mirnyi is the biggest moron in Mens Tennis Forums.

Coming from you, I take that really serious. :rolleyes:

GlennMirnyi
11-17-2006, 07:01 PM
But...but...how is that Nadal can pass somebody as technical perfect as Federer but not someone with ugly technique like Blake? :confused:


Ugly technique? That's Roddick. Don't mix things up. Blake's game is beautiful, his problem is his head.

The HAAS Admirer
11-17-2006, 07:11 PM
Rafael Nadal is the greatest exponent of what Brad Gilbert call: "Winning Ugly". From the Rafael Nadal perspective winning the match is the key issue. Playing exciting or watchable tennis is not the key objective. Winning is what counts.

I just wish he would conduct himself better on court. His excessive use of "Vamous" and excessive celebrations wheh he wins a point can be annoying and sometimes disrespectful towards opponents, but he has the right to play tennis the way he wants to play it. Maybe Bjorn Borg should be hired by the ATP to teach players how to behave on court.

Whatever that is your opinion, I find his tennis unbelivable and I find his spirit in fighting for every ball to be extraordinary. Some of his matches have been amazing (especially VS Roger), so much drama, passion, so much charisma, he just pumps me up everytime I watch him. Pure adrenaline!!!
Its rare to find a character like Rafa, he is unique, one of a kind. Some people will hate him, some people like me, love him its natural thats what happens when your so good and when you get so famous. The Vamos is normal, I see no problem with him saying that. He is pumping himself up. Lleyton does it, Andy has done it, Sharapova does it, not to mention her grunting, Justine says Allez, everyone does some form of it, its part of the game and people need to get over it already. This is tennis not ballet.

As for today, he did what he needed to do, and in the end of the day he qualified, tommorow he will have to pick it up (whether fatigued or not), and I have faith in him. One thing is for sure, he will go out and try to do his best, like always.
Vamos Rafa, siempre vas a ser un campeón y siempre te llevo en el corazón. Suerte mañana.:worship: ;)

GlennMirnyi
11-17-2006, 07:12 PM
Whatever that is your opinion, I find his tennis unbelivable and I find his spirit in fighting for every ball to be extraordinary. Some of his matches have been amazing (especially VS Roger), so much drama, passion, so much charisma, he just pumps me up everytime I watch him. Pure adrenaline!!!
Its rare to find a character like Rafa, he is unique, one of a kind. Some people will hate him, some people like me, love him its natural thats what happens when your so good and when you get so famous. The Vamos is normal, I see no problem with him saying that. He is pumping himself up. Lleyton does it, Andy has done it, Sharapova does it, not to mention her grunting, Justine says Allez, everyone does some form of it, its part of the game and people need to get over it already. This is tennis not ballet.

As for today, he did what he needed to do, and in the end of the day he qualified, tommorow he will have to pick it up (whether fatigued or not), and I have faith in him. One thing is for sure, he will go out and try to do his best, like always.
Vamos Rafa, siempre vas a ser un campeón y siempre te llevo en el corazón. Suerte mañana.:worship: ;)

If you want drama go get a movie. Tennis is a sport, not a soap opera.

Jim Courier
11-17-2006, 07:13 PM
Well, you´re due for a right prediction concerning the outcome of a Fed-Nadal´s match, so this may very well be the first time you´re right.
Yeah, even a broken clock is right twice a day.

(I don't see Federer losing to Nadal on this surface)

tangerine_dream
11-17-2006, 07:15 PM
Ugly technique? That's Roddick. Don't mix things up. Blake's game is beautiful, his problem is his head.
Oh, so now Blake's game is beautiful? This is news to me. And to most of MTF I'm sure. :o

If you want drama go get a movie. Tennis is a sport, not a soap opera.
There's more to sports than just hitting a ball.

GlennMirnyi
11-17-2006, 07:16 PM
Oh, so now Blake's game is beautiful? This is news to me. And to most of MTF I'm sure. :o


There's more to sports than just hitting a ball.

About 1: even Stevie Wonder can see his game is beautiful technically.

2: yes, it's hitting the ball with technique.

jayjay
11-17-2006, 07:17 PM
[QUOTE=DrJules;4467249 From the Rafael Nadal perspective winning the match is the key issue.

You would hope that's the key issue for every player. It's the only issue.

Winning is what counts.

Exactly.

I just wish he would conduct himself better on court. His excessive use of "Vamous" and excessive celebrations wheh he wins a point can be annoying and sometimes disrespectful towards opponents, but he has the right to play tennis the way he wants to play it. Maybe Bjorn Borg should be hired by the ATP to teach players how to behave on court.

Surely tennis (or any sport for that matter) is all the better for having different characters, with different styles.

The HAAS Admirer
11-17-2006, 07:18 PM
If you want drama go get a movie. Tennis is a sport, not a soap opera.

:rolleyes: That makes no sense, most people who watch tennis want to see drama ,they don't want a 6-1 6-1 win. That is boring.
Anyway shows your immature telling people what they should like and what tennis should be, who are you to say that, some nobody on a tennis forum, grow up and learn that we all have different opinions and likes and dislikes.
If you don't like that type of tennis thats fine but don't expect everyone to feel like that.

GlennMirnyi
11-17-2006, 07:19 PM
Well, Federer wins 3 GS a year and plays decently.

GlennMirnyi
11-17-2006, 07:22 PM
:rolleyes: That makes no sense, most people who watch tennis want to see drama ,they don't want a 6-1 6-1 win. That is boring.
Anyway shows your immature telling people what they should like and what tennis should be, who are you to say that, some nobody on a tennis forum, grow up and learn that we all have different opinions and likes and dislikes.
If you don't like that type of tennis thats fine but don't expect everyone to feel like that.

You admire a player for its "passion". That's a sport, you should admire someone's game. That shows you don't care about the sport really, just for your players.

tangerine_dream
11-17-2006, 07:28 PM
About 1: even Stevie Wonder can see his game is beautiful technically.
You must be Stevie Wonder then. Pleased to meet you!

:retard:

You admire a player for its "passion". That's a sport, you should admire someone's game. That shows you don't care about the sport really, just for your players.
The same could be said of you technical snobs who think hitting a ball with perfect technique is all there is to tennis. It's people like you who ruin sports with your love for robotics and distain for the heart and soul of the game.

The HAAS Admirer
11-17-2006, 07:29 PM
You admire a player for its "passion". That's a sport, you should admire someone's game. That shows you don't care about the sport really, just for your players.
Passion is part of the sport and of the game, the biggest part some say, if you don't have it than your hopeless. Its what drives Nadal or Federer to play, they have passion for the game, thats what makes them compete. If you don't have desire than you don't play. To be a champion you have to have passion, desire and to execute one's game that has to be there.
I love tennis, I love the sport, all the different personalities and all the different types of games. Passion is essential in every sport.

Clara Bow
11-17-2006, 07:31 PM
You admire a player for its "passion". That's a sport, you should admire someone's game. That shows you don't care about the sport really, just for your players.

Please for all that is holy don't let this thread go into the "robots playing tennis - good or bad?" debate again. :p

(For those not familiar- I am not calling any current player a robot- there was a debate earlier about whether or not tennis and sport should be just about the points, etc. and not about aspects of personality. And accusations that folks who would not enjoy watching two actual robots playing were not tennis fans.)

Passion is essential in every sport.

I agree! :)

The HAAS Admirer
11-17-2006, 07:32 PM
You admire a player for its "passion". That's a sport, you should admire someone's game. That shows you don't care about the sport really, just for your players.

:rolleyes: You have Guga, Federer and Safin in your signature yet you don't like drama and you don't acknowledge passion. Those are three of the most passionate players in tennis.

Julio1974
11-17-2006, 07:35 PM
:rolleyes: You have Guga, Federer and Safin in your signature yet you don't like drama and you don't acknowledge passion. Those are three of the most passionate players in tennis.

Add Invanisevic to that list...

GlennMirnyi
11-17-2006, 07:45 PM
You must be Stevie Wonder then. Pleased to meet you!

:retard:


The same could be said of you technical snobs who think hitting a ball with perfect technique is all there is to tennis. It's people like you who ruin sports with your love for robotics and distain for the heart and soul of the game.

What ruins tennis is alienated people like you, who thinks playing with technique is being robotic. Robotic is just hitting the ball to oblivion, or just running and returning, like your moonballers.

Passion is part of the sport and of the game, the biggest part some say, if you don't have it than your hopeless. Its what drives Nadal or Federer to play, they have passion for the game, thats what makes them compete. If you don't have desire than you don't play. To be a champion you have to have passion, desire and to execute one's game that has to be there.
I love tennis, I love the sport, all the different personalities and all the different types of games. Passion is essential in every sport.

Technique is essential. The GOAT is no "vamos" guy. He's not Federer, not yet.

Please for all that is holy don't let this thread go into the "robots playing tennis - good or bad?" debate again. :p

(For those not familiar- I am not calling any current player a robot- there was a debate earlier about whether or not tennis and sport should be just about the points, etc. and not about aspects of personality. And accusations that folks who would not enjoy watching two actual robots playing were not tennis fans.)



I agree! :)

Again, having technique means variety and that's as far as being a robot it gets.

:rolleyes: You have Guga, Federer and Safin in your signature yet you don't like drama and you don't acknowledge passion. Those are three of the most passionate players in tennis.

Add Invanisevic to that list...

First of all, great players technically. I really don't care if they smile, break racquets, draw hearts on clay, cry after winning or whatever.

Deathless Mortal
11-17-2006, 07:47 PM
I was hoping Davydenko will advance, but I thought Nadal will win... An, unfortunately, I was right. :(

ExpectedWinner
11-17-2006, 07:51 PM
How do you measure the amount of passion/heart/soul in someone's game? It's totally subjective.
For example, in my biased opinion, Safin lacks the passion for the game. :shrug:

rofe
11-17-2006, 07:59 PM
I agree - when all is said and done technique is the most important thing. Technique is what makes a player flow smoothly through his game. Passion, heart, soul are important (easier to think of it as the will to win) but technique has to be correct so it should be the prime focus.

In fact, passion for the game should actually translate to learning better technique and not necessarily emote on the court.

What ruins tennis is alienated people like you, who thinks playing with technique is being robotic. Robotic is just hitting the ball to oblivion, or just running and returning, like your moonballers.



Technique is essential. The GOAT is no "vamos" guy. He's not Federer, not yet.



Again, having technique means variety and that's as far as being a robot it gets.





First of all, great players technically. I really don't care if they smile, break racquets, draw hearts on clay, cry after winning or whatever.

Julio1974
11-17-2006, 08:02 PM
First of all, great players technically. I really don't care if they smile, break racquets, draw hearts on clay, cry after winning or whatever.

If you think that all the people that were cheering for Ivanisevic in that epic Wimbledon final only cared about his technique, you don't have any bloody idea about what sport is about.

rofe
11-17-2006, 08:03 PM
If you think that all the people that were cheering for Ivanisevic in that epic Wimbledon final only cared about his technique, you don't have any bloody idea about what sport is about.

Are you looking at it from the spectators' point of view or the player's point of view?

EasternWind
11-17-2006, 08:14 PM
Kolya :rolleyes: you had this one. I always thought you were one of the more consistent players...with less U.E!
Another Federer-Nadal...SeMis instead though

Bad Religion
11-17-2006, 09:26 PM
Ugly technique? That's Roddick. Don't mix things up. Blake's game is beautiful, his problem is his head.

What means that SHIT ? :haha: :haha:


Try it with the table tennis , maybe you know something of this sport, moron.

cmurray
11-17-2006, 10:23 PM
Oh for the love of God.

Every time Rafa wins there is a thread full of excuses. He got the job done. This isn't the most comfortable surface for him, and yet he finds a way to win. I would THINK that would impress people. What's going to happen if he beats Federer tomorrow? Is everyone just going to spontaneously combust????

GlennMirnyi
11-17-2006, 10:25 PM
What means that SHIT ? :haha: :haha:


Try it with the table tennis , maybe you know something of this sport, brazilian moron.

What do you think you are to call me moron? Do you think I'm less than you because I'm Brazilian? Go treat your prejudice.

And what game is beautiful? Massu's?

GlennMirnyi
11-17-2006, 10:26 PM
If you think that all the people that were cheering for Ivanisevic in that epic Wimbledon final only cared about his technique, you don't have any bloody idea about what sport is about.

That's how you watch it, and you're biased enough.

Metis
11-17-2006, 10:34 PM
Oh for the love of God.

Every time Rafa wins there is a thread full of excuses. He got the job done. This isn't the most comfortable surface for him, and yet he finds a way to win. I would THINK that would impress people. What's going to happen if he beats Federer tomorrow? Is everyone just going to spontaneously combust????

:fiery:
That would be quite a sight. :lol: The computer keyboards of MTF members are certainly going to catch fire though...

GlennMirnyi
11-17-2006, 10:39 PM
Oh for the love of God.

Every time Rafa wins there is a thread full of excuses. He got the job done. This isn't the most comfortable surface for him, and yet he finds a way to win. I would THINK that would impress people. What's going to happen if he beats Federer tomorrow? Is everyone just going to spontaneously combust????

How come this isn't good for him? Apart from clay, this is the best surface for him.

cmurray
11-17-2006, 10:48 PM
How come this isn't good for him? Apart from clay, this is the best surface for him.

I believe I said it wasn't his most comfortable, not that it wasn't good for him.

Derek1206
11-17-2006, 11:22 PM
Rafa. :worship:

Good luck in your next match! :scared: :yeah:

Kalliopeia
11-18-2006, 01:35 AM
Oh for the love of God.

Every time Rafa wins there is a thread full of excuses. He got the job done. This isn't the most comfortable surface for him, and yet he finds a way to win. I would THINK that would impress people. What's going to happen if he beats Federer tomorrow? Is everyone just going to spontaneously combust????

It's hilarious, really. I mean, they are SO pissed that he won. I don't know that Rafa at his current level of play can beat Federer tomorrow, but I want him to really badly and I'm not ashamed to admit that it's partly because I want to see the heads that explode around here when it happens, and how many excuses can be created.

Doesn't matter who won more points. Rafa won the important ones.
Doesn't matter who has better technique...Rafa won with what he has.
Doesn't matter how loudly the antirafa-tards scream and cry and moan...he won. :nerner:

Vamos, Rafa!! :bounce:

Merton
11-18-2006, 01:52 AM
Congrats Rafa, he managed to win without playing his best tennis. He has nothing to lose now, being a heavy underdog in the semis against Roger.

cmurray
11-18-2006, 02:03 AM
It's hilarious, really. I mean, they are SO pissed that he won. I don't know that Rafa at his current level of play can beat Federer tomorrow, but I want him to really badly and I'm not ashamed to admit that it's partly because I want to see the heads that explode around here when it happens, and how many excuses can be created.

Doesn't matter who won more points. Rafa won the important ones.
Doesn't matter who has better technique...Rafa won with what he has.
Doesn't matter how loudly the antirafa-tards scream and cry and moan...he won. :nerner:

Vamos, Rafa!! :bounce:

That's the rub. I mean, I want Rafa to win with every fiber of my being just because I just love him to death and I always want him to win. But there's a nasty side to me that relishes the idea of Rafa beating Roger because of the way the arrogant Fed-tards are always having a go at Rafa. Talking about what a bad tennis player he is and putting noses in the air about technique. You'd think the way they talk that he was lucky to ever win so much as a match. And when he beats Roger....I dunno. It's just extra sweet. You know?

Mimi
11-18-2006, 02:08 AM
:haha: :bowdown: :bigclap: good post
You must be Stevie Wonder then. Pleased to meet you!

:retard:


The same could be said of you technical snobs who think hitting a ball with perfect technique is all there is to tennis. It's people like you who ruin sports with your love for robotics and distain for the heart and soul of the game.

NATAS81
11-18-2006, 04:14 AM
Kolya was stoic. He won the most points and should have won this match.

Fighting off -40 a couple times but the final time at 30-40 Nadal ripped that big FH crosscourt which surprised him.

Kolya's time will come if not at the AO, then soon.

sawan66278
11-18-2006, 05:18 AM
Those who criticize Rafa about the signing of the lens need to understand a few things. First, it was done in fun...did you not see his expression? Second, the man is only 20 years old...I'm sure no one here did anything slightly mischievious when they were his age:rolleyes: Come on, tennis needs some vibrancy...Does anyone recall Roger saying that he enjoys playing Andy because he wins most of the time? That was tongue in cheek...no harm...

Let's face it: on these boards, Rafa does no wrong (for Rafa fans) and Roger does no wrong (for the Roger fans)...Let's have some objectivity please....

GlennMirnyi
11-18-2006, 05:49 AM
Those who criticize Rafa about the signing of the lens need to understand a few things. First, it was done in fun...did you not see his expression? Second, the man is only 20 years old...I'm sure no one here did anything slightly mischievious when they were his age:rolleyes: Come on, tennis needs some vibrancy...Does anyone recall Roger saying that he enjoys playing Andy because he wins most of the time? That was tongue in cheek...no harm...

Let's face it: on these boards, Rafa does no wrong (for Rafa fans) and Roger does no wrong (for the Roger fans)...Let's have some objectivity please....

Big deal, that's hypocrisy. If Berdych does the "shhh" he's immature.

Sunset of Age
11-18-2006, 09:56 AM
Let's face it: on these boards, Rafa does no wrong (for Rafa fans) and Roger does no wrong (for the Roger fans)...Let's have some objectivity please....

I can't help but conclude that that is the EXACT OPPOSITE of being objective.
And no - I am a Rafa-fan but perfectly capable of pointing out his weaker spots. This action of his isn't actually classy. And if Roger were to do the same kind of thing, I'd point it out just as well.
And yes, I'm a fan of both.

Castafiore
11-18-2006, 10:10 AM
Claybuster,
Rafa has done this several times before.
The main problem some of you have is the fact that he wrote Federer's name and then...*gulp*...scratched it through several times, right?

Well, for some reason...he does the scratching through regularly. I always wrote it down to sheer excitement, it starts out by wanting to underline what he wrote but it ends up a mess (but...that's only a guess).
For example: after the Robredo match, he wrote "Vamos" and did the same thing (scratch it through several times). He was happy to have won the match (otherwise, he would have been out of Shanghai) and now, he's excited to be in the SF against Federer. There are several other examples of this habit of his. You're only now noticing it because it envolves Roger's name this time.
He was excited after a victory and looking forward to another match. That's all there is to it, in my opinion.

Honestly, I don''t know why yet another little thing is blown out of proportion and the objective thing seems to be to accuse Rafa of doing yet another "mean" thing without bothering to look at his usual signature on the lens habits.

Sunset of Age
11-18-2006, 11:25 AM
I know pretty well he's done this before... and I've never stated he did it with ill intent.
All I do is speak out my own opinion on it, and that is that it is NOT CLASSY to do such a thing - whomever does it.

Soit.

Action Jackson
11-18-2006, 11:32 AM
I saw nothing in Nadal's game, NOTHING (forehand, backhand, serve, slice) that suggests he's better than Davydenko.

Technically Davydenko is much better than Nadal.

You don't need me to point out that tennis is not about who has better looking strokes etc etc. There are reasons Nadal has acheived what he has already and Davydenko hasn't.

If it was Hicham Arazi, Mecir, Noah would have won 20 Slams between them, but if you choose to overlook the basic facts why and how Nadal won that is your choice.

Castafiore
11-18-2006, 01:38 PM
I know pretty well he's done this before... and I've never stated he did it with ill intent.
All I do is speak out my own opinion on it, and that is that it is NOT CLASSY to do such a thing - whomever does it.

Soit.

We're all just speaking out our own opinion, ClayBuster.

But I don't quite understand why you consider this to be NOT classy if you don't see it as an act if ill intent? It's just a act out of sheer excitement!
Or are you one of those "tennis is for gentlemen" types. In that case, we are going to have to agree to disagree.