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how many more times are we gonna hear andy say this?

megadeth
11-16-2006, 01:56 PM
"It's a downer, don't get me wrong,: he said. "But I can still take a lot of positives away from the last four months of the year.

"Going into the summer, I was, 18 in the champions race with people questioning if I would ever play top level tennis again.

"Right now I can choose to look at the negatives going into next year; I can choose to look at the positives. Fortunately, the last half of the year there were a lot more positives than negatives."

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c'mon! i've had it with you andy! >:(

El Legenda
11-16-2006, 01:58 PM
roddick sucks

JustJames
11-16-2006, 01:59 PM
He's right though guys...he doesn't suck now anywhere near as much as he did a few months ago.

adee-gee
11-16-2006, 02:16 PM
He's been taking lessons from Henman ;)

LoveFifteen
11-16-2006, 02:16 PM
roddick sucks

If Roddick sucks, then half the Top 20 needs just to go ahead and put a bullet in their heads! :o

RickDaStick
11-16-2006, 02:18 PM
So Roddick is saying he sucks a little less now then he did in the 1st part of the year. thats the way Andy!!

El Legenda
11-16-2006, 02:22 PM
If Roddick sucks, then half the Top 20 needs just to go ahead and put a bullet in their heads! :o

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GSM.

CmonAussie
11-16-2006, 02:22 PM
So what if Andy enjoys "sucking"!
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Not that there`s anything wrong with that!
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Now we know why things didn`t work out with Mandy Moore, & Sharapova clearly is not interested in men who bat for the other team><.

bluefork
11-16-2006, 02:38 PM
I have my doubts about how much Roddick has really improved in the latter part of the year. I think hiring Connors gave him some confidence going into the North American hardcourt season, which is probably his favorite stretch of the year anyway. This extra confidence and comfort in his home country made the difference during the summer, but since he's had to go to Europe, his results have been less than stellar. Today, his net play was not working at all, nor was his ground game. He wasn't able to bully Nalbandian with his serve, and this resulted in a rather routine defeat.

Sure, he almost beat Federer, but so did Olivier Rochus in Halle. And so did Takao Suzuki, for that matter. The question is whether he can challenge Federer on a regular basis. And for that matter, can he challenge any of the top players on a regular basis? His record against the top guys this year is still very poor.

I think what happens in Australia in 2007 will really show how far Roddick has come in the past 12 months.

R.Federer
11-16-2006, 02:47 PM
Someone posted on another thread, that andy is perhaps still obsessed with getting that elusive win over Roger and that he is developing a gameplan for that more than that for the rest of the tour.

Something he said after this match suggests there may be something to that, although there were other things in that match (including MP).

""I think two nights ago was a little bit more emotionally taxing than tonight," he said. "It's a downer, don't get me wrong, but I can still take a lot of positives away from the last four months.

GlennMirnyi
11-16-2006, 02:49 PM
Roddick choked. Badly. That's it, there's not much to add.

bluefork
11-16-2006, 02:59 PM
Roddick choked. Badly. That's it, there's not much to add.

You can't choke if you're never ahead.

GlennMirnyi
11-16-2006, 03:01 PM
You can't choke if you're never ahead.

Yes you can. He choked before coming to the match, playing poorly and gettin' defeated by the worst player this week.

Myrre
11-16-2006, 03:04 PM
The term "choked" is getting a bit overused. Every time someone loses they're choking. I'm sorry but Roddick was never near being in a winning position today, so there wasn't any choking. He was just beaten fair and square by a player with superior groundstrokes.

bluefork
11-16-2006, 03:05 PM
Yes you can. He choked before coming to the match, playing poorly and gettin' defeated by the worst player this week.

That's not the usual definition of choking.

But how can you say that Nalbandian was the worst player this week? He played great in the first set against Federer. And he almost beat Ljubicic. He had a problem maintaining a high level of play in those matches, but he did play well.

Tommy Robredo will likely go 0-3 in the worse of the two groups. I think he's probably more worth of the title 'worst player this week' than Nalbandian.

GlennMirnyi
11-16-2006, 03:06 PM
The term "choked" is getting a bit overused. Every time someone loses they're choking. I'm sorry but Roddick was never near being in a winning position today, so there wasn't any choking. He was just beaten fair and square by a player with superior groundstrokes.

A man that can take Roger to a mp (not a big deal, but it's something) can't lose to fat Dave.

oz_boz
11-16-2006, 03:09 PM
He must feel pretty low right now, not even getting into SF after having almost beaten Fed. Good luck in 2007 Andy, work on that S/V.

Black Adam
11-16-2006, 03:23 PM
roddick sucks

that has become you motto?
Thought you wer ebetter than that.

nobama
11-16-2006, 03:27 PM
I have my doubts about how much Roddick has really improved in the latter part of the year. I think hiring Connors gave him some confidence going into the North American hardcourt season, which is probably his favorite stretch of the year anyway. This extra confidence and comfort in his home country made the difference during the summer, but since he's had to go to Europe, his results have been less than stellar. Today, his net play was not working at all, nor was his ground game. He wasn't able to bully Nalbandian with his serve, and this resulted in a rather routine defeat.

Sure, he almost beat Federer, but so did Olivier Rochus in Halle. And so did Takao Suzuki, for that matter. The question is whether he can challenge Federer on a regular basis. And for that matter, can he challenge any of the top players on a regular basis? His record against the top guys this year is still very poor.

I think what happens in Australia in 2007 will really show how far Roddick has come in the past 12 months.Seems to me Connors has put all his eggs in one basket and it's all about Fed. After the US Open he said something like 'there's three guys in the mix now'. Well Andy's going to have to prove he's the third guy and he hasn't done that yet.

alfonsojose
11-16-2006, 03:49 PM
The whole WTA top ten would have handled David's second serve better than Andy did :tape: Roddick's return was :o

Horatio Caine
11-16-2006, 04:05 PM
As Adee says...he is taking after Henman! :lol: But Americans shouldn't complain...he is back to top 5.

It is pretty tough for him though...he was essentially 1pt away from the SF...3 times :awww:

...and as Alfonso says, he needs to work on his return if he is to get any higher...I haven't seen Roddick play since Wimbledon, but it seems that it is still just as :retard:ed

RickDaStick
11-16-2006, 04:07 PM
I see that andy is the cup half full kind of guy

avocadoe
11-16-2006, 04:11 PM
Andy has improved since taking on Connors. I'm not an Andy fan and I can see it. He's gotten to the point where it was 50-50 whether he could beat guys in the 20's and 30's and now he beats all of them, again. Against top ten players he still doesn't do all that well in w/l but he plays better, is in more points, makes more good shots, and many days has the old devastating serve working for him, and setting him up nicely in points. He also is returning better, and poking the down the line bh with more authority. Today's match up was hard, especially after coming close for 2 sets against Federer, Nalbandian, another top player, a great returner, and smart shot maker who loves a target. S-V was not to be. Anyway, the serve was off all of the first set. Confidance went South and with it the old dorky shots/mises returned. But I think Andy is right, trin hard for 2007, and come to AO full of himself. We'll all see what happens there....Also I think he should stick with his own reactions and not just try and please Jimmy. I think Jimmy over inflates him, which works for Jimmy, but not so well for Roddick.

safin-rules-no.1
11-16-2006, 04:12 PM
roddick sucks

i hope so:D

mandoura
11-16-2006, 04:27 PM
He's been taking lessons from Henman ;)

:lol:

RonE
11-16-2006, 04:35 PM
Well what do you expect him to say? "I am going to look at how I f****ed up against Roger, tear my hair out and not sleep at all for the next three months"?

I give him credit for being able to look on the bright side as much an overused cliche as it is it is what he needs to do.

WF4EVER
11-16-2006, 04:35 PM
The term "choked" is getting a bit overused. Every time someone loses they're choking. I'm sorry but Roddick was never near being in a winning position today, so there wasn't any choking. He was just beaten fair and square by a player with superior groundstrokes.


I totally agree.

Nalbandian played an excellent match. For all Roddick's 'improvement' he was still losing the majority of the points once his serve was put back in play. If a player has to rely to such a huge degree on his big serve then it's obvious when he's not serving well he'll lose more often than not, and no-one can serve big all the time.

Nalbandian was even able to hit some clean winners off the first serve, which was simply amazing. I don't think many would argue that Nalbandian is a headcase but at the same time he has some of the best groundstrokes and angles on the tour.

If Andy thinks he's any step closer to beating Roger (as some others seem to do, too) then he'd better remember there are other players on the tour. He made this mistake with Brad Gilbert, of focusing all his energies on Roger, and he is making the same minstake with Connors.

Winston's Human
11-16-2006, 04:52 PM
The term "choked" is getting a bit overused. Every time someone loses they're choking. I'm sorry but Roddick was never near being in a winning position today, so there wasn't any choking. He was just beaten fair and square by a player with superior groundstrokes.

I agree.

To say that Roddick choked is disrespectful to Nalbandian who played an excellent match (other than the hiccup while serving at 5-4).

I think it says something about the quality of Nalbandian's heart and desire that he was able to keep his emotions in check and play two excellent sets of tennis given this week's tragedy.

CmonAussie
11-16-2006, 05:34 PM
BTW
The win Andy had over Ivan in the 1st RR match~~>> wasn`t that his 1st win[only win] over a Top-10 player for 2006...!!???

Fumus
11-16-2006, 05:39 PM
roddick sucks

Oh yea, but he was better than Ivan this tourny...:haha:

Fumus
11-16-2006, 05:40 PM
Seems to me Connors has put all his eggs in one basket and it's all about Fed. After the US Open he said something like 'there's three guys in the mix now'. Well Andy's going to have to prove he's the third guy and he hasn't done that yet.

Agreed, Blake is playing more like the number 3 lately.

DrJules
11-16-2006, 05:41 PM
"It's a downer, don't get me wrong,: he said. "But I can still take a lot of positives away from the last four months of the year.

"Going into the summer, I was, 18 in the champions race with people questioning if I would ever play top level tennis again.

"Right now I can choose to look at the negatives going into next year; I can choose to look at the positives. Fortunately, the last half of the year there were a lot more positives than negatives."

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c'mon! i've had it with you andy! >:(

He has performed like a world number 3 in the last few months. Realistically, being ranked 3rd behind Federer and Nadal is an achievable goal. Not sure he could replace Nadal at number 2.

R.Federer
11-16-2006, 05:42 PM
BTW
The win Andy had over Ivan in the 1st RR match~~>> wasn`t that his 1st win[only win] over a Top-10 player for 2006...!!???

It is, yes. Better 1 win than no win.

However, I don't know (someone with ranking points knowledge will know) if andy can end as American #1. James might beat him to it , might already have in fact
James has truly had a great year, too.

rofe
11-16-2006, 05:48 PM
It is, yes. Better 1 win than no win.

However, I don't know (someone with ranking points knowledge will know) if andy can end as American #1. James might beat him to it , might already have in fact
James has truly had a great year, too.

I think James has surpassed Andy again after Andy's loss today.

bavaria100
11-16-2006, 05:49 PM
It is, yes. Better 1 win than no win.

However, I don't know (someone with ranking points knowledge will know) if andy can end as American #1. James might beat him to it , might already have in fact
James has truly had a great year, too.

James becomes the number 1 American player if he beats Robredo. He's currently 17 points behind Andy in the CR and another win gets him 20 points.

bavaria100
11-16-2006, 05:54 PM
BTW
The win Andy had over Ivan in the 1st RR match~~>> wasn`t that his 1st win[only win] over a Top-10 player for 2006...!!???

That's true. In fact, Andy has a 1-6 record versus Top-10 players this year and some people say that Robredo sucks against the best guys out there. :o Oh well, we'll see how Andy will perform next year.

megadeth
11-16-2006, 05:58 PM
That's true. In fact, Andy has a 1-6 record versus Top-10 players this year and some people say that Robredo sucks against the best guys out there. :o Oh well, we'll see how Andy will perform next year.

to add to that, andy DIDN'T BEAT a top 10 player for the whole 2005!!!

so that's almost 2 years of sticking it out in the top 10 yet not beating any of your colleagues in that field!!!

bavaria100
11-16-2006, 06:03 PM
to add to that, andy DIDN'T BEAT a top 10 player for the whole 2005!!!

so that's almost 2 years of sticking it out in the top 10 yet not beating any of your colleagues in that field!!!

I think he had at least 2 wins over Top-10 players last year. He beat Moya in Indian Wells (he was number 7 or 8 at that time) and Hewitt in Cincy (he was in the Top 5). So, he didn't perform that badly. ;) He didn't beat one of the current Top-10 players, that's true.

partygirl
11-16-2006, 06:22 PM
take me to the bright side with you Andy.

khanazam
11-16-2006, 06:34 PM
lol at the original post. i wonder what his record vs federer is now, 14-0? must be so frustrating losing to the same guy so often and so many of them in big matches.

Geniey2g
11-16-2006, 07:57 PM
He's been taking lessons from Henman ;)
haha, yeah.
I'm always intrigued to hear the next creative way Tim'll find to explain away his loss.

Jlee
11-16-2006, 08:03 PM
to add to that, andy DIDN'T BEAT a top 10 player for the whole 2005!!!

so that's almost 2 years of sticking it out in the top 10 yet not beating any of your colleagues in that field!!!

That record is mentioned too much. Most of the time he ends up beating players who just slid out of the top 10 or are on their way there. Like Hewitt at the USO, Hewitt had been top 10 forever.

I'm glad he has a good attitude, I hope he can keep everything going for the Australian Open and the rest of 2007. Next year should be interesting, especially if he can start playing really consistently against Roger and other top level players. Blake too, he'll go places if he can manage to be consistent and perform on big stages.

darnyelb
11-16-2006, 10:27 PM
Roddick's become a more "big picture" kind of guy, and at this point of his career, it's the right attitude to take. Why dwell on your losses when you already know what you need to work on?