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Federer will meet Nadal in Semi final, Who will win?

pomnok
11-16-2006, 01:43 PM
I believe Federe will defeat Nadal in Semi final

adee-gee
11-16-2006, 01:47 PM
Davydenko 2-0

Blue Heart24
11-16-2006, 01:49 PM
Vamos Rafa Or Davydenko!

Klaas_nalbandian
11-16-2006, 01:50 PM
if they meet fed will win it

oz_boz
11-16-2006, 01:55 PM
Davydenko 2-0

times two :D

Sunset of Age
11-16-2006, 02:00 PM
If Nadal doesn't quit playingsome 3-4m behind the baseline, I think this one will be Fed's. However, it ain't that far yet... see what happens tomorrow.

Horatio Caine
11-16-2006, 02:01 PM
How can you ask this when Davydenko has a great chance of beating Nadal? :rolleyes:

adee-gee
11-16-2006, 03:00 PM
How can you ask this when Davydenko has a great chance of beating Nadal? :rolleyes:

Shutup Jez :p :armed:

R.Federer
11-16-2006, 03:05 PM
Unfortunately, that's hard to call. Rafa improved his play against Robredo (well, it's tough not to look better against Tommy, no offense, than against an inspired James), but Roger has had close matches off-clay.
I hope Roger gets a great win over nadal, IF they play. (GO DAVY!!!!)

Pfloyd
11-16-2006, 03:06 PM
Nadal, duhh!!

:)

GlennMirnyi
11-16-2006, 03:09 PM
Unfortunately, that's hard to call. Rafa improved his play against Robredo (well, it's tough not to look better against Tommy, no offense, than against an inspired James), but Roger has had close matches off-clay.
I hope Roger gets a great win over nadal, IF they play. (GO DAVY!!!!)

James wasn't that inspired.

R.Federer
11-16-2006, 03:22 PM
James wasn't that inspired.

James just has his number ... :)

Nando_L
11-16-2006, 03:23 PM
Roger in 2 ;)

GlennMirnyi
11-16-2006, 03:24 PM
James just has his number ... :)

That's a fact. Berdych does too.

r2473
11-16-2006, 03:31 PM
I really hope this match happens. What a great semis.....

Fed v Nadal

Blake v Nalby

I could not be more excited for these matches.

shotgun
11-16-2006, 03:32 PM
I'm closing this thread, and will re-open it in case Nadal qualifies tomorrow. Makes no sense opening polls for matches that may not even happen.

Adler
11-17-2006, 12:46 PM
Who's it gonna be? Nadal seems very tired and he definitely isn't playing his best right now, but he's still 6-2 in H2H against Roger. Federer on the other hand also has some problems in Shanghai, nearly losing to Roddick. However, the surface should be in his favor and he hand an extra day off

Who will win?

BlueSwan
11-17-2006, 12:49 PM
IF they meet, I heavily favour Federer. But then again, I have been wrong about this match-up in the past.

Rogiman
11-17-2006, 12:51 PM
If the match happens, Federer will rip him not one new asshole but two.

Rafa = Fed Killa
11-17-2006, 12:58 PM
JesusFed crucifiction time. :devil:

Roger The Great
11-17-2006, 01:00 PM
I love Fed, but..... Nadal in 3.

JustmeUK
11-17-2006, 01:01 PM
in your dreams :) the bull is going to be slaughtered

Pfloyd
11-17-2006, 01:02 PM
JesusFed crucifiction time. :devil:

:haha:

I hear you brotha

Vamos Rafa!!

BTW Rafa in 3.

revolution
11-17-2006, 01:02 PM
Vamos Rafa.

shotgun
11-17-2006, 01:02 PM
Federer in 3

Fergie
11-17-2006, 01:02 PM
Roger in 3 :rocker2:

oz_boz
11-17-2006, 01:02 PM
As I expected the match will happen, Rafa just won his final RR. None of them has impressed me with their results (I haven't had the luck to see them play), and for me Rafa is the favourite thanks to mental edge from h2h and surface which should be pretty good for topspin, but I'll go with Fed in three nervewrecking sets.

LaTenista
11-17-2006, 01:03 PM
Rafa in 3. :cool:

Roger The Great
11-17-2006, 01:04 PM
If the match happens, Federer will rip him not one new asshole but two.

I would love to see that, but in 8 prior matches Roger has yet to do it. History suggests a close match.

~EMiLiTA~
11-17-2006, 01:04 PM
federer in 3, unfortunately

landoud
11-17-2006, 01:05 PM
Roger in 3

Metis
11-17-2006, 01:05 PM
Well, Nadal didn't look all that exceptional today and who knows what the deal is with his knee... Add to that the fact that Roger has had an extra day of rest. (lucky bastard :D)

One would have to give Federer a huge advantage considering the circumstances. But we shall see. I don't want to make any predictions. :unsure:

Roger The Great
11-17-2006, 01:06 PM
Semi-finals with 1 vs. 2 and 7 vs. 8. Something seems wrong with that. :lol:

Adler
11-17-2006, 01:06 PM
Federer in 3. He had one more day off, and although both guys appear to play not as well as in their best, Federer is in better shape

Xristos
11-17-2006, 01:07 PM
Fed will win 64 75.

Rogiman
11-17-2006, 01:07 PM
I would love to see that, but in 8 prior matches Roger has yet to do it. History suggests a close match.Not anymore.

6:2 6:3, 70 minutes.

Julio1974
11-17-2006, 01:10 PM
Federer in 2.

nanoman
11-17-2006, 01:23 PM
Fed in 2 (if his brain doesn't fart).

Caerula Sanguis
11-17-2006, 01:24 PM
Fed wins 64 64 :cool:

oz_boz
11-17-2006, 01:34 PM
Whoever wins, I expect lots of reasonable and well-written posts in GM, with fans of both players giving full credit to the winner and showing due respect for the loser.

sawan66278
11-17-2006, 01:35 PM
If Rafa plays like he did today: Roger in straight sets. But you never know: the pressure is squarely on Roger. If Rafa wins, he lost to Roger in the semis. He is back on track...if Roger loses on an indoor court, against an injured Rafa...:eek:

Action Jackson
11-17-2006, 01:36 PM
Whoever wins, I expect lots of reasonable and well-written posts in GM, with fans of both players giving full credit to the winner and showing due respect for the loser.

:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

TheMightyFed
11-17-2006, 01:39 PM
Fed should win in three, similar scenario as in Wimby, first set romp, then Rafa's back and Fed is shaky thinking of his past losses, then he takes back the control of the match and closes the deal. Already good for Rafa to be in semi with his current form, and qualifying while winning 6 points less than Davydenko in RR...
His passings are still insane.

Clara Bow
11-17-2006, 01:39 PM
Whoever wins, I expect lots of reasonable and well-written posts in GM, with fans of both players giving full credit to the winner and showing due respect for the loser.

Well said. :lol:

If Rafa plays the way he did today, it will be stroll in the park for Roger, who may even pick up a bagel or breadstick from a food cart. I hope Nadal lifts up his game because I want to see a good competative match.

R.Federer
11-17-2006, 01:40 PM
JesusFed crucifiction time. :devil:

Certainly can't disagree with the fiction part of "crucifiction" :D

TheMightyFed
11-17-2006, 01:41 PM
Semi-finals with 1 vs. 2 and 7 vs. 8. Something seems wrong with that. :lol:
A bit like number 1 playing 13 tournies in the year and number 3 winning two slams (our dear friends of WTA)

bad gambler
11-17-2006, 01:41 PM
MTF will be the winner

R.Federer
11-17-2006, 01:43 PM
If Rafa wins, he lost to Roger in the semis. :
If Rafa wins, then he doesn't lose to Roger in the semis :confused:

...if Roger loses on an indoor court, against an injured Rafa...:eek:
I did not know he was injured still. Or did he get injured in the match against Davy?

mallorn
11-17-2006, 01:44 PM
Going by Rafa's play so far in the tournament, Roger would have to screw up royally to lose this one. I just hope Rafa's knee holds up. :unsure:
Whoever wins, I expect lots of reasonable and well-written posts in GM, with fans of both players giving full credit to the winner and showing due respect for the loser.
:haha: Dream on!

Rogiman
11-17-2006, 01:45 PM
If Rafa wins, then he doesn't lose to Roger in the semis :confused:


I did not know he was injured still. Or did he get injured in the match against Davy?He took a medical time-out at 1-1 3rd set (couldn't wait for the changeovers), probably the usual gamesmanship.

TheMightyFed
11-17-2006, 01:46 PM
"injured Rafa" sounds too familiar for a 20 yo guy... don't know how long he will last...
Go Rog, show him your artistry, what tennis should look like.

R.Federer
11-17-2006, 01:47 PM
He took a medical time-out at 1-1 3rd set (couldn't wait for the changeovers), probably the usual gamesmanship.
Oh I missed the match.
I'm sure he's not "injured", or he wouldn't play the semi finals at all. COME ON ROGER FEDERER!

Clara Bow
11-17-2006, 01:48 PM
probably the usual gamesmanship.

Geeze- always gotta take a swig from the haterade. ;) There was really no momentum going one way or the other. Both had just held their service games easily. He just got his knee wrapped, that's all. He has been wearing the braces under both his knees for a while anyway. It didn't strike me as gamesmanship.

Rogiman
11-17-2006, 01:50 PM
Geeze- always gotta take a swig from the haterade. ;) There was really no momentum going one way or the other. Both had just held their service games easily.And still he couldn't wait for one game like everyone does.
Gamesmanship is part of his game, it's old news.

mallorn
11-17-2006, 01:53 PM
Geeze- always gotta take a swig from the haterade. ;) There was really no momentum going one way or the other. Both had just held their service games easily. He just got his knee wrapped, that's all. He has been wearing the braces under both his knees for a while anyway. It didn't strike me as gamesmanship.
I didn't see many complaints when Tommy took a toilet break at 6-7, 0-3 and went on to win six consecutive points. But we're talking about Rafa here - of course it was gamesmanship. There's just no way he really needed the trainer. :lol:

Metis
11-17-2006, 01:54 PM
Geeze- always gotta take a swig from the haterade. ;) There was really no momentum going one way or the other. Both had just held their service games easily. He just got his knee wrapped, that's all. He has been wearing the braces under both his knees for a while anyway. It didn't strike me as gamesmanship.

I agree. In any case Davydenko won the following game very easily so it didn't affect him at all. If someone had momentum that was Nadal, who had just won the 2nd set and his 1st service game. :shrug:

Metis
11-17-2006, 02:00 PM
And still he couldn't wait for one game like everyone does.
Gamesmanship is part of his game, it's old news.
When was the last time Nadal took a medical timeout? I don't remember anything like that for months, not since the clay court season. Unless it was in a small tournament that was not shown on TV here. :shrug:

Bremen
11-17-2006, 02:08 PM
When was the last time Nadal took a medical timeout? I don't remember anything like that for months, not since the clay court season. Unless it was in a small tournament that was not shown on TV here. :shrug:

Come on we all know Nadal's tricks by now. Rogiman isn't just talking about medical timeouts. There's the way he's always on court second, his time between serves, oh why go on when this is common knowledge?

Anyway I say Rogi performs his first beatdown on Nadal. 2 easy sets.

Sunset of Age
11-17-2006, 02:09 PM
As Clara already said, quit the haterade people...

You can say whatever you want about Rafa, but he's *not* a crybaby (when it comes to injuries, duh ;) ). I'm sure he needed that time-out. Those bands under his knees are there for a reason...

shotgun
11-17-2006, 02:21 PM
Out of their nine encounters, this will only be the third time they meet outside a final, thanks to the RR format (and to Blake, I suppose).

Bilbo
11-17-2006, 02:27 PM
Fed in 2

RonE
11-17-2006, 02:43 PM
Fed should win this in three but will probably have a Dubai-like episode even though he will outplay him for long stretches of the match as Davydenko did.

guga2120
11-17-2006, 02:46 PM
I get somewhat of a feeling Federer might win this, the way he is playing and the way Nadal is playing its pretty clear whos playing better right now, and its not Nadal, but then again i have seen them play against each other alot. Nadal in 3.

mashamaniac
11-17-2006, 02:53 PM
well,it has happened but a pity is in semis,not in finals.
though i'd like nadal win it in straight sets!

lshdure
11-17-2006, 03:29 PM
i predict that SF will go Nadal's way if Federer can't close out in 2set like Dubui Final. But i hope Federer win after serious challenge.

Dancing Hero
11-17-2006, 03:37 PM
I think Federer will beat Nadal and it may go the three sets.

ChinoRios4Ever
11-17-2006, 03:50 PM
roger in 3 FANTASTIC SETS :yeah:

avocadoe
11-17-2006, 03:54 PM
Roger in 3...some lapses, some Nadl at his best but Roger will pull himself up and win!!!

megadeth
11-17-2006, 04:18 PM
roger will win this one... just like against nalby when he lost 5 straight to him to become 0-5, he know leads their h2h at 7-6...

this is the time that roger will turn the rivalry around...

doris_hdz
11-17-2006, 04:20 PM
Roger in 2

Naranoc
11-17-2006, 04:21 PM
this is the time that roger will turn the rivalry around...

Shouldn't that have been Wimbledon? :scratch:

megadeth
11-17-2006, 04:28 PM
Shouldn't that have been Wimbledon? :scratch:

yea, that was the turning point... this time it's time to show that he can make consecutive wins against rafa

safinalium
11-17-2006, 04:33 PM
Federer in 3
7:6 3:6 6:3 ~ something like this

selyoink
11-17-2006, 04:37 PM
Roger should win in an easy two sets. However I think Nadal is in his head and will win in 3. Really hope I'm wrong.

Caerula Sanguis
11-17-2006, 04:39 PM
I've been waiting for so long for them to play on a Neutral surface in an important match~!

I wish it would have been a 5 setter.

CooCooCachoo
11-17-2006, 04:41 PM
Roger, obviously.

prima donna
11-17-2006, 04:52 PM
Federer, 6 3, 6 0

Pfloyd
11-17-2006, 04:54 PM
Yeeeeah, Primma, Right Onnnn

R.Federer
11-17-2006, 05:35 PM
Roger should win in an easy two sets. However I think Nadal is in his head and will win in 3. Really hope I'm wrong.
I think the head issue is grossly over estimated by people. Fed reverse 0-5, 1-6 and 2-7 deficits against David, Tim and Lleyton. 2-6 is a shorter one to overhaul.

The HAAS Admirer
11-17-2006, 05:42 PM
Rafa will play different against Roger, as he always does. He has more confidense against him. I expect a good match. So far Rafa has dissapointed me but I don't think Roger is playing at his best either(both seem fatigued esp Rafa) but I still think both will bring it out tommorow.
I choose Rafa in three. Its funny how everyone is already counting Rafa Nadal out. People should have learned by now, never count him out.

The HAAS Admirer
11-17-2006, 05:45 PM
I think the head issue is grossly over estimated by people. Fed reverse 0-5, 1-6 and 2-7 deficits against David, Tim and Lleyton. 2-6 is a shorter one to overhaul.

Yeah but David(well David did last year), Tim, and Lleyton beat Roger when he still was not at his peak, he wasn't the player he is today. Rafa beat him at his best when he was dominating everyone else and more than once in a season, that is the difference. Its huge, a huge difference and it would be stupid to compare it.

jazar
11-17-2006, 05:48 PM
federer will win. he has played well when he has needed to so far and with nadal's form before this event being somewhat lacking, federer will win in straight sets. 6-1, 7-5

dorkino
11-17-2006, 06:19 PM
Originally posted by Oz_boz
Whoever wins, I expect lots of reasonable and well-written posts in GM, with fans of both players giving full credit to the winner and showing due respect for the loser.

Begging u.. show me that GM website.

Bremen
11-17-2006, 06:57 PM
Davydenko thinks Fed will win:

But the Russian did not give Nadal much chance against Federer, the world number one he beat four times in the first half of the season.

"I think Federer can win the Masters. I don't think Nadal will win," Davydenko said.

Fedex
11-17-2006, 07:03 PM
I'm so glad that Nadal won today.(you can count on one hand how many times I've said that.) This is the match that everyone wants to see.
If Federer plays well and he plays agressive, he should win this. With the surface being quick and low bouncing, the surface definetly favors Federer. However Nadal has too much fight in him to go down easily, so I'll say Federer in 3.

Fedex
11-17-2006, 07:06 PM
Whoever wins, I expect lots of reasonable and well-written posts in GM, with fans of both players giving full credit to the winner and showing due respect for the loser.
:haha: :rolls:

WF4EVER
11-17-2006, 07:07 PM
Roger has been playing like shit this tournamnet, IMO.

I wasn't impressed with his win over Ljubicic either. And unless he intends to outmuscle Nadal he doesn't stand a chance. If he were playing the same way he played in Basel or Madrid I would be 100% confident in him winning but I just have not been impressed with him this week. Which in itself is unfortunate because Nadal doesn't impress me either but against Federer he stands a great chance if Feds continues to play his cutesy game. He has to be prepared to put a beating on Nadal and the only thing that hurts Nadal is power.

r2473
11-17-2006, 07:12 PM
The match we all wanted. We all win.

Fedex
11-17-2006, 07:15 PM
Roger has been playing like shit this tournamnet, IMO.

I dont think Federer has played badly this week. I think he has played pretty well. I just think his opponents have all played great tennis. Just because he hasn't won all his matches in straight sets, doesn't mean he hasn't played well. It is tough to dominate anyone in the top 10, even for Federer.

Mrs. B
11-17-2006, 07:21 PM
Vamos, Rogelio! :)

Naranoc
11-17-2006, 07:25 PM
I dont think Federer has played badly this week. I think he has played pretty well. I just think his opponents have all played great tennis. Just because he hasn't won all his matches in straight sets, doesn't mean he hasn't played well. It is tough to dominate anyone in the top 10, even for Federer.

He pwned Ljubo (again) in straights :)

buzz
11-17-2006, 07:28 PM
I think Nadal feels more pressure against the rest of the atp tour because of his good h2h with Fed. He now feels he has to prove he can match or better feds achievements. Thats why I think he didn't perform that good lately. Against Federer he has nothing to prove his h2h will still be better if he loses, and federer is one of the greatest ever so its no shame to lose against him and Nadal won't feel a lot of pressure whereas federer ofcourse will.

But federer has a lot of mental strength and he can play great tennis, so I still go for fed in 3.

WF4EVER
11-17-2006, 07:31 PM
I dont think Federer has played badly this week. I think he has played pretty well. I just think his opponents have all played great tennis. Just because he hasn't won all his matches in straight sets, doesn't mean he hasn't played well. It is tough to dominate anyone in the top 10, even for Federer.

You have a right to your opinion as do I. Please don't make assumptions about the reasons I've reached this conclusion.

Gulliver
11-17-2006, 07:37 PM
There was a good reason for the Red group being called the Group of Death, and each player in it has had to fight in some tough matches. The 2 SF, what ever you feel about their play from time to time in their matches, have dealt with whatever got thrown at them. Compare that with the level faced by the members of the Gold group and the talent is spread much more thinly, with nothing like the same sustained force and variety. The Red group winners may well find that the Gold group winners will not throw at them anything like what they have had to face over the past few days. Just a thought.

Bremen
11-17-2006, 07:41 PM
There was a good reason for the Red group being called the Group of Death, and each player in it has had to fight in some tough matches. The 2 SF, what ever you feel about their play from time to time in their matches, have dealt with whatever got thrown at them. Compare that with the level faced by the members of the Gold group and the talent is spread much more thinly, with nothing like the same sustained force and variety. The Red group winners may well find that the Gold group winners will not throw at them anything like what they have had to face over the past few days. Just a thought.

Good point. Nadal didn't win easily against Robredo or Davydenko. They can hardly compare to fed.

Fedex
11-17-2006, 07:46 PM
You have a right to your opinion as do I. Please don't make assumptions about the reasons I've reached this conclusion.
Well then can you tell me how you came to your conclusion? I dont see anything wrong in Federer's level of play, with the exception of the first set against Nalbandian. It's impossible to play absolutly fantastic every single match, you know.

J. Corwin
11-17-2006, 07:59 PM
thank god fed meets nadal, otherwise they should have just handed the trophy to roger :p

LLeytonRules
11-17-2006, 08:01 PM
I think for Roger too win this match, he will need too do the following

1Serve very well
2Come too the net at the most precise times.
3Limit the errors off his backhand.

kronus12
11-17-2006, 08:07 PM
it's great nadal and fed will be finally playing again should be a great match this will show us if fed has improve with his backhand because we know nadal will be testing it.

Johnny Groove
11-17-2006, 08:15 PM
Whoever wins, I expect lots of reasonable and well-written posts in GM, with fans of both players giving full credit to the winner and showing due respect for the loser.

:haha:

The Fedtards are SOOOO scared shitless!!!!

stebs
11-17-2006, 08:19 PM
Either one could win the match. I don't think taking what has happened in the RR to make a prediction will help you, I think any bearings it may have on the match will be purely coincidental. I voted for Roger in 3 but that's just what I'd like to happen really. As for what will happen, I guess I have to wait and see.

I guess whoever loses and in whatever circumstances will be prounounced a choker.

kronus12
11-17-2006, 08:20 PM
why should the fedtards be scared shitless its rafal who had the last shitty half of the season compare to fed, alot of fedtards and myself are confident that fed will win. If he dosen't then all kudo's to Rafal he needs to win the tourney so he can be confident for next year.
But if he meets blake in the final well....

Johnny Groove
11-17-2006, 08:21 PM
Either one could win the match. I don't think taking what has happened in the RR to make a prediction will help you, I think any bearings it may have on the match will be purely coincidental. I voted for Roger in 3 but that's just what I'd like to happen really. As for what will happen, I guess I have to wait and see.

I guess whoever loses and in whatever circumstances will be prounounced a choker.

No, if Nadal wins, it'll be because it was on purple clay, Fed is a choker and Nadal used gamesmanship.

If Federer wins, then Nadal is a total clown, joke, roasted pig and needs to retire

stebs
11-17-2006, 08:27 PM
No, if Nadal wins, it'll be because it was on purple clay, Fed is a choker and Nadal used gamesmanship.

If Federer wins, then Nadal is a total clown, joke, roasted pig and needs to retire

Agreed. If they played on ice and Nadal won it would be white clay. :lol:

dkw
11-17-2006, 08:45 PM
Meat lovers... roasted pork or rabbit stew, have your pick!

Fedex
11-17-2006, 08:49 PM
No, if Nadal wins, it'll be because it was on purple clay, Fed is a choker and Nadal used gamesmanship.

If Federer wins, then Nadal is a total clown, joke, roasted pig and needs to retire
Oh yeah, and the Rafa-tards wont say a damn thing tomorrow if Federer wins. :lol: I can hear the excuses already.

boromir8
11-17-2006, 09:11 PM
It's rumoured that Gordon Ramsay will invite Rafael Nadal to guest-star on a celebrity version of Hell's Kitchen, after Nadal shows off his baking skills tomorrow.

The two delicious bagels he's going to cook Federer, filled with Swiss cheese, will surely impress the fiery Scot. And while Nadal charms the nation on Hell's Kitchen, Federer will be in Hell, as he hangs up his racket and trudges out of tennis a humiliated and forgotten man.

dkw
11-17-2006, 09:17 PM
It's rumoured that Gordon Ramsay will invite Rafael Nadal to guest-star on a celebrity version of Hell's Kitchen, after Nadal shows off his baking skills tomorrow.

The two delicious bagels he's going to cook Federer, filled with Swiss cheese, will surely impress the fiery Scot. And while Nadal charms the nation on Hell's Kitchen, Federer will be in Hell, as he hangs up his racket and trudges out of tennis a humiliated and forgotten man.
Obviously you're new around these parts!

dylan24
11-17-2006, 09:25 PM
federer in 2
if it goes 3, nadal will likely win 3rd set tb
after roger leads 5-3 in tb

boromir8
11-17-2006, 09:50 PM
Obviously you're new around these parts!

Yes, why are people here clueless fed worshippers?

Naranoc
11-17-2006, 09:53 PM
Yes, why are people here clueless fed worshippers?

There are a lot of Federer supporters here, but there's also loads of Nadal, Safin, Roddick fans etc. Just hang around enough and you'll see.

Corswandt
11-17-2006, 10:05 PM
Tricky.

Nadal is back at his usual level - gives no free points away, makes 1-2 needless UEs at most on each set, and is serving decently when compared to his previous matches.

Davydenko was more consistent and more patient than Fed will be, I believe, and still lost. But then again Fed has many more options than Davydenko. But then again Fed is far from playing at his best (though he's nowhere near as bad as he was the early rounds in Dubai)... And I also suspect that, whenever he's in trouble, Nadal will just revert to bombarding Fed's BH side with low-risk junk again and again until it breaks (he tried doing it with Davydenko at times, but Kolya's BH is rock solid) - and that works far more often than it should for such an obvious tactic.

So I still say Nadal, but I won't put any vCash on it like I did the last time (RG final).

Rafa = Fed Killa
11-17-2006, 10:12 PM
It's rumoured that Gordon Ramsay will invite Rafael Nadal to guest-star on a celebrity version of Hell's Kitchen, after Nadal shows off his baking skills tomorrow.

The two delicious bagels he's going to cook Federer, filled with Swiss cheese, will surely impress the fiery Scot. And while Nadal charms the nation on Hell's Kitchen, Federer will be in Hell, as he hangs up his racket and trudges out of tennis a humiliated and forgotten man.

So, there is one person on MTF who is close to my brilliant level.

My perfect logic will save MTF from the hell that is Fedtardness.

Bremen
11-17-2006, 10:24 PM
Tricky.

Nadal is back at his usual level - gives no free points away, makes 1-2 needless UEs at most on each set, and is serving decently when compared to his previous matches.

Davydenko was more consistent and more patient than Fed will be, I believe, and still lost. But then again Fed has many more options than Davydenko. But then again Fed is far from playing at his best (though he's nowhere near as bad as he was the early rounds in Dubai)... And I also suspect that, whenever he's in trouble, Nadal will just revert to bombarding Fed's BH side with low-risk junk again and again until it breaks (he tried doing it with Davydenko at times, but Kolya's BH is rock solid) - and that works far more often than it should for such an obvious tactic.

So I still say Nadal, but I won't put any vCash on it like I did the last time (RG final).

I'm putting 100 v cash on federer! This isn't clay and while you think nadal is back to his usual level I wouldn't go that far.

Derek1206
11-17-2006, 10:26 PM
I really want Rafa to win, but I just don't know about this match. :unsure:

Federer is the favorite though.

adee-gee
11-17-2006, 10:26 PM
Federer 6-0 6-2

Pfloyd
11-17-2006, 10:28 PM
Federer 6-0 6-2

oooo, thats kinda strong

adee-gee
11-17-2006, 10:29 PM
oooo, thats kinda strong
Sorry, maybe 6-0 6-1.

Pfloyd
11-17-2006, 10:29 PM
Yeah thats what will happen.

or maybe Nadal 6-0, 6-0

scarecrows
11-17-2006, 10:34 PM
match will be cancelled as rafa will stick all the balls in the roof :awww:

bad gambler
11-17-2006, 11:17 PM
Depends on how Nadal pulled up after yesterday's match. From reading all the print media since, sounds like he is fine.

Toss of a coin job IMO, Rafa to sneak this one but won't be suprised if Federer wins though

Nadal in 3

Jlee
11-17-2006, 11:20 PM
It could go either way. Neither has been playing at his absolute best and both have been vulnerable. The surface probably favors Roger though, so Fed in 3.

bad gambler
11-17-2006, 11:25 PM
Both are ice cool under pressure as well which makes this matchup even more intriguing - bit of a shame that this wasn't the final as a best of 5 set match between the two as it would have been a fitting way to end the season with the two most dominant players of 2006 dueling it out

Johnny Groove
11-17-2006, 11:26 PM
Federer has never beaten Nadal in a best of 3 :p

Bremen
11-17-2006, 11:32 PM
Federer has never beaten Nadal in a best of 3 :p

First time for everything! How many have they played anyway?

Johnny Groove
11-17-2006, 11:33 PM
First time for everything! How many have they played anyway?

2 :p

Bremen
11-17-2006, 11:40 PM
What were the scores? I can't seem to access the head to head at the atp site.

shotgun
11-17-2006, 11:41 PM
bit of a shame that this wasn't the final as a best of 5 set match between the two as it would have been a fitting way to end the season with the two most dominant players of 2006 dueling it out

Last year was more like that, though, with both players splitting the main titles from January to November. This year it was like that for the first semester, then in the second semester we saw Federer completely dominating the tour and Nadal not winning a single title.

As for being a SF, I actually think it's interesting seeing them play each other outside of a final for a change, but maybe that's just me.

Johnny Groove
11-17-2006, 11:45 PM
What were the scores? I can't seem to access the head to head at the atp site.

Miami 04 R16: Nadal 6-3, 6-3; Fedtard excuse- Federer was sick

Dubai 06 Final: Nadal 2-6, 6-4, 6-4; Fedtard excuse- slow court, choking Fed, moonballing Rafa

Jlee
11-17-2006, 11:49 PM
Miami 04 R16: Nadal 6-3, 6-3; Fedtard excuse- Federer was sick

Dubai 06 Final: Nadal 2-6, 6-4, 6-4; Fedtard excuse- slow court, choking Fed, moonballing Rafa

I'm having difficulty in understanding how these can be excuses...aren't they just legitimate reasons why Nadal deserved to win? :lol:

Johnny Groove
11-17-2006, 11:51 PM
I'm having difficulty in understanding how these can be excuses...aren't they just legitimate reasons why Nadal deserved to win? :lol:

Get that logic out of here! Truth and Reality have NO PLACE in GM! :p

Mechlan
11-17-2006, 11:52 PM
This will be very interesting. Have to think that Nadal is going to up his game against Federer (he always does) and play much more offensively, but it'll be tough since the surface favors Roger. I think it'll be a close one. Whoever holds their nerve will come away the winner.

The semifinal dynamic will also be interesting. I think both will be going into this thinking it's a final - or at least a very important match. After a few months of all-Federer, I'm sure everyone is excited about this one. :p

Bremen
11-17-2006, 11:54 PM
Miami 04 R16: Nadal 6-3, 6-3; Fedtard excuse- Federer was sick

Dubai 06 Final: Nadal 2-6, 6-4, 6-4; Fedtard excuse- slow court, choking Fed, moonballing Rafa

Those scores aren't that competitive. I still have faith that this match will be closer than those two. With most likely a win for roger.

Johnny Groove
11-17-2006, 11:58 PM
Should Nadal win this match, what will the excuses be? honestly? the court is like ice, and Federer isnt in a wheelchair.

Prolly Nadal gamesmanship, Uncle Toni coaching from the stands, taking too much time between points, ass picking, Fed choking, or moonballing :shrug: :p

Fedex
11-18-2006, 12:02 AM
Miami 04 R16: Nadal 6-3, 6-3; Fedtard excuse- Federer was sick

Dubai 06 Final: Nadal 2-6, 6-4, 6-4; Fedtard excuse- slow court, choking Fed, moonballing Rafa
And what will your excuse be tomorrow?

Jlee
11-18-2006, 12:02 AM
Should Nadal win this match, what will the excuses be? honestly? the court is like ice, and Federer isnt in a wheelchair.

Prolly Nadal gamesmanship, Uncle Toni coaching from the stands, taking too much time between points, ass picking, Fed choking, or moonballing :shrug: :p

...well Roger tanked it of course, he didn't see it being important enough to want to win. ;)

Johnny Groove
11-18-2006, 12:03 AM
And what will your excuse be tomorrow?

Rafatards dont make excuses ;)

Bremen
11-18-2006, 12:04 AM
Should Nadal win this match, what will the excuses be? honestly? the court is like ice, and Federer isnt in a wheelchair.

Prolly Nadal gamesmanship, Uncle Toni coaching from the stands, taking too much time between points, ass picking, Fed choking, or moonballing :shrug: :p

Maybe they'll come up with something new for a change, but I doubt it.

Merton
11-18-2006, 12:44 AM
The markets give Roger as the huge favourite, with an implied probability of a win being 85%.

Pfloyd
11-18-2006, 01:27 AM
Regardless of what Rafa is saying, he is not playing his best, and probably this time, Roger my be the favorite despite the unfavorable h2h.

However, Federer is always considered "favorite" by the market even on clay.
This is not surprising.

Mimi
11-18-2006, 01:46 AM
wise words :worship:
Yeah but David(well David did last year), Tim, and Lleyton beat Roger when he still was not at his peak, he wasn't the player he is today. Rafa beat him at his best when he was dominating everyone else and more than once in a season, that is the difference. Its huge, a huge difference and it would be stupid to compare it.

NYCtennisfan
11-18-2006, 02:04 AM
Regardless of what Rafa is saying, he is not playing his best, and probably this time, Roger my be the favorite despite the unfavorable h2h.

However, Federer is always considered "favorite" by the market even on clay.
This is not surprising.

Not in Rome.

Veronique
11-18-2006, 02:27 AM
Rafa in 3.

sanpo
11-18-2006, 02:30 AM
Regardless of what Rafa is saying, he is not playing his best, and probably this time, Roger my be the favorite despite the unfavorable h2h.

However, Federer is always considered "favorite" by the market even on clay.
This is not surprising.

LOL, stop lying, Nadal has been playing to his ability this week (and maybe a bit more), see match stats and you could see that he wasn't even making that much unforced errors in the davy-nadal match. He was also serving great that imo notched him the win last night, with Davy losing his nerve and patience along the 2nd and 3rd set.


Yeah but David(well David did last year), Tim, and Lleyton beat Roger when he still was not at his peak, he wasn't the player he is today. Rafa beat him at his best when he was dominating everyone else and more than once in a season, that is the difference. Its huge, a huge difference and it would be stupid to compare it.

But remember that 4 of those victories came on clay, with Fed having 2 match points on his weakest and nadal's strongest surface. Dubai could have gone either way while wimby was not even close at all.

Pfloyd
11-18-2006, 02:34 AM
Not in Rome.

Yep, that was the exception. Roger played his best clay court match ever, but Nadal did'nt.

After Rome, federer was favorite in MTF (and I believe in the bets as well) to win RG. Nadal's victory there proved just that: Federer played his ass off in Rome while Nadal played a more than decent but not best match ever on clay in Rome. Nadal is better than Fed's on clay.

On HC, Nadal has the edge. In dubai, Fed's was the fav, but Nadal STILL beat him.

Nadal's not playing his best now, thats for sure. But can he beat Federer tomorrow NO DOUBT. Will it be hard, SURE. We'll see.

While fed is the favorite 2morrow, remember, the man in front of him is Rafa Nadal.

Deivid23
11-18-2006, 02:56 AM
Yep, that was the exception. Roger played his best clay court match ever, but Nadal did'nt.

After Rome, federer was favorite in MTF (and I believe in the bets as well) to win RG. Nadal's victory there proved just that: Federer played his ass off in Rome while Nadal played a more than decent but not best match ever on clay in Rome. Nadal is better than Fed's on clay.



Nadal was favourite betting odds-wise in Rome F 2006 and RG F 2006, but not in RG SF 2005 and Montecarlo 2006

Of course he was a huge underdog in Miami 2004, Miami 2005, Dubai 2006 and Wimbledon 2006

So Nadal was favourite 2 out of the 8 times these two have met. These gamblers have no clue, or what? :scratch:

hammett
11-18-2006, 03:02 AM
But remember that 4 of those victories came on clay, with Fed having 2 match points on his weakest and nadal's strongest surface. Dubai could have gone either way while wimby was not even close at all.

Yeah, but you somehow failed to remember the first win by Roger in Miami, in which Nadal was clearly cheated in the 3erd. That match was for Nadal, you know? now you remember?

Caerula Sanguis
11-18-2006, 03:06 AM
Look at the odds on Betfair !

Federer - 1.20
Nadal - 5.80

That's nut ~~! I'd bet on Nadal even though I think Fed's gonna win. What a good deal.

Deivid23
11-18-2006, 03:08 AM
But remember that 4 of those victories came on clay, with Fed having 2 match points on his weakest and nadal's strongest surface. Dubai could have gone either way while wimby was not even close at all.

Selective and :retard: memory

I could also say hadnīt Nadal been cheated in Miami 2005 F at 4-4 0-30 in the 3rd, Nadal would still be undefeated against mighty Federer away from Nadalīs weakest surface, grass :angel:

guga2120
11-18-2006, 03:12 AM
Regardless of what Rafa is saying, he is not playing his best, and probably this time, Roger my be the favorite despite the unfavorable h2h.

However, Federer is always considered "favorite" by the market even on clay.
This is not surprising.


Federer has been the favorite in all their matches, except in the Finals this year of Roland Garros, Nadal even though he said other wise was slightly favored, Federer is the big favorite tommorow on this court.

sawan66278
11-18-2006, 04:08 AM
For Rafa, a solid, close performance would be viewed as a nice end to the season...win or lose. This is the real final of the Masters: #1 vs. #2.

Rafa has proven that he is the clear #2. Bouncing back from his gut-wrenching defeat to Blake, gutting out a win against the #3, and making it to the semis of a major title for the first time since Wimbledon. A job well done...

Again, Roger is expected to win...a victory for Rafa would be gravy. As a Rafa fan, if he loses a close match, I won't be happy...but I will be content.

Vamos Rafa!!!!!!!!!;)

Fedever
11-18-2006, 04:31 AM
Whoever wins, I expect lots of reasonable and well-written posts in GM, with fans of both players giving full credit to the winner and showing due respect for the loser.

:haha: :haha: :haha:

Fedex
11-18-2006, 06:02 AM
On HC, Nadal has the edge.



This is laughable. How many Grand Slams has Federer won on a hard court and how many has Rafa won? Get back to me then.

Fedever
11-18-2006, 06:11 AM
He took a medical time-out at 1-1 3rd set (couldn't wait for the changeovers), probably the usual gamesmanship.

Unfortunately, my cable went out and I missed the match. But I have never seen Rafa use gamesmanship before. Have any of you?

I am not a Rafa fan, but I do have respect for him and I have seen him show a lot of class. I have even seen him more than once correct an umpire when his opponent’s ball was called out. He doesn't seem like the type to use gamesmanship. Correct me if I am wrong.

Federer will win. Long live the KING!!!!:worship:

Fedex
11-18-2006, 06:11 AM
While fed is the favorite 2morrow, remember, the man in front of him is Rafa Nadal.
Hmm, I seem to remember Roger being over 3500 points ahead of Nadal in the rankings. I nice to see you have an excellent perception of reality. :)

Billy Moonshine
11-18-2006, 06:46 AM
Nadal will win in str8s. Rogi will underestimate him and Nadal will surprise him.

R.Federer
11-18-2006, 07:00 AM
Yeah but David(well David did last year), Tim, and Lleyton beat Roger when he still was not at his peak, he wasn't the player he is today. Rafa beat him at his best when he was dominating everyone else and more than once in a season, that is the difference. Its huge, a huge difference and it would be stupid to compare it.

You missed my point completely. I prefaced by saying "I think the head issue is grossly overestimated". It is stupid to think Roger Federer is a head case when he reverses a devastating slam final loss that would give him a career slam, by winning a slam against the same player 4 weeks later.

The point was not the 1-7, 0-5 and 2-6 head to heads, the point was that these records did not get into his head. Regardless of whether he became a better player or the others deteriorated, it would have been very difficult to reverse these records if they got under his skin. If it did, it would have affected his play. You missed the point.

DrJules
11-18-2006, 09:04 AM
I was looking through various betting odd sites and was amazed at the current odds:

Roger Federer 1-6 and Rafael Nadal 9-2.

http://www.oddschecker.com/betting/mode/cc/card/tennis-atpshanghaimasters/scard/8407

Yes, I would expect Federer to be a slight favourite, but these odds seem crazy. I wonder how they originate. Agreed looking at the global picture Federer is a much better player than Nadal (Grand Slams titles 3-1, Master Series titles 4-2, race points 1584-894 and win-loss 87-5 to 57-10) and the odds would be consistent with any assessment of them as players in an all round tennis setting, but surely odds should also reflect the specifics of the particular contest. Considering Nadal leads 6-2 in matches between them I do not understand.

stebs
11-18-2006, 09:11 AM
Regardless of what Rafa is saying, he is not playing his best.

I think Rafa's ability is, by some, over-estimated on a hard court. No doubt he is very good and he has some results to prove it but for me he has been playing as good as ever on hardcourts this week. When was he, in your opinion, playing much better than now?

Monteque
11-18-2006, 09:17 AM
Rafa and Fed not at best of his performance. So there's no reason to be a big mouth. Rafa said he's not at his best but on the contrary Fed as well, so this is gonna be a fair match.


60-40 for Fed.

DrJules
11-18-2006, 09:19 AM
Regardless of what Rafa is saying, he is not playing his best, and probably this time, Roger my be the favorite despite the unfavorable h2h.

However, Federer is always considered "favorite" by the market even on clay.
This is not surprising.

The commentators/expects on Sky Sports in the UK, Mark Petchey and Peter Fleming, felt Rafael Nadal was playing as well as they had ever seen. I assume they meant not on a clay court. In which case it is probably true and fair. Nadal came closer to beating Blake than he ever has been; break up in 1st set and 4-0 up in 2nd set which may indicate that Nadal could be mentally vunerable.

Joyce_23
11-18-2006, 09:32 AM
My money's on Fed in two, Rafa hasn't impressed me yet and Federer always saves his best tennis for the matches that really matter.

Murray_no1
11-18-2006, 10:48 AM
Nadal could spring an upset ere.... courts on the quick side compared to their other meetings, but its quite slow when you get into the rally. Federer will prob win the first set, so bet in running on nadal 1 set down you'll get 10/1 probably. Hopefully this is where the hitting high about shoulder height gets to his forehand as we've previously seen, and he starts to spray it. Vamos Rafa.

sanpo
11-18-2006, 11:59 AM
Selective and :retard: memory

I could also say hadnīt Nadal been cheated in Miami 2005 F at 4-4 0-30 in the 3rd, Nadal would still be undefeated against mighty Federer away from Nadalīs weakest surface, grass :angel:

Erring line calls are all part of the game. I pointed out the clay h2h records this year to emphasize the fact that Nadal's 6-2 H2H record is a little deceiving, seeing that 4 of those 8 matches have been on clay with only 1 on grass. That would also mean that had Roger led Nadal say 5-2 on a H2H but seeing that 4 or 3 of those matches was played on grass, I wouldn't gloat so much on Fed's advantageous H2H seeing that that was absolutely how things were supposed to be ( Fed better on grass, nadal on clay).

That's why taking down only the HC h2h Nadal leads 2-1, today's SF match should mean a whole lot more than their present clay-infested H2H.

Xristos
11-18-2006, 02:20 PM
Fed will win 64 75.

Am I God?