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Roger might not wanna win against ivan

mr_burns
11-16-2006, 11:22 AM
So he can be sure David is out. and although hed had an easy rr with david, he will remember last year, when it was the same

They should play the last rubber at the same time

El Legenda
11-16-2006, 11:24 AM
well David is choking currently. serving for match again.

mr_burns
11-16-2006, 11:27 AM
yeah and I cannot believe it

El Legenda
11-16-2006, 11:28 AM
choked

Kip
11-16-2006, 11:28 AM
Sorry to say this,
but how stupid this
thread is!

Roger didn't become Roger Federer by
ducking and covering against players that
challenge him. Last year was last year, this
is a new year and anything can happen.

Ivanatis
11-16-2006, 11:28 AM
Roger losing on purpose? sorry, complete nonsense

El Legenda
11-16-2006, 11:29 AM
Roger losing on purpose? sorry, complete nonsense

not on purpose, but relaxing a little and hitting a DF on BP :rolls:

mr_burns
11-16-2006, 11:30 AM
this might be right, but it was the same in the Ladies Masters...Maria could "choose" to play in the sf, because she knew who was first and second in the other group. She didn't, and I don't think Roger would, but it could happen

mr_burns
11-16-2006, 11:39 AM
This thread should be about the problem in general. You are right roger is the wrong example

TennisOz
11-16-2006, 11:46 AM
So he can be sure David is out. and although hed had an easy rr with david, he will remember last year, when it was the same

They should play the last rubber at the same time

It would make more sense to ensure Nalby WAS in the semis, given the tragic recent events and IMHO he and Robredo are the weakest (in relative terms) of the 8 playing.

OzTennis :)

Caerula Sanguis
11-16-2006, 11:51 AM
I'm sure Roger and Ivan want Nadal for the similar reason.

garylanders
11-16-2006, 11:52 AM
So he can be sure David is out. and although hed had an easy rr with david, he will remember last year, when it was the same

They should play the last rubber at the same time

lol, you´re pretty stupid if you think that Federer will reason that way.

/GL

TennisGrandSlam
11-16-2006, 11:56 AM
So he can be sure David is out. and although hed had an easy rr with david, he will remember last year, when it was the same

They should play the last rubber at the same time

Maybe Rogi loses to Ljubo to avoid Rafa :p and let Nalby out :o

God know :devil:

spencercarlos
11-16-2006, 11:57 AM
So he can be sure David is out. and although hed had an easy rr with david, he will remember last year, when it was the same

They should play the last rubber at the same time
I´m not sure if Federer will tank this match too, because it puts Naldabdian out, and inmediately sets up a match against Blake (who has never beaten him) in the semifinals, avoiding Nadal.
It will be really interesting to see.

Horatio Caine
11-16-2006, 11:59 AM
Do you really think Roger is even aware that by losing, Nalbandian will be out? I mean...he apparently had to telephone the organisers to ask what he needed to do today to advance to the SF :shrug:

I don't think Federer is that bothered...he just wants to win

garylanders
11-16-2006, 12:01 PM
Maybe Rogi loses to Ljubo to avoid Rafa :p and let Nalby out :o

God know :devil:

I could be wrong but Federer seems to have a good sense of sportsmanship.
He shouldnt even drop a set against Ljubo so I guess we´ll find out soon =)

/GL

Exodus
11-16-2006, 12:03 PM
federer will beat them all easily save blake in the final

bad gambler
11-16-2006, 12:04 PM
You nuts???? :eek:

TheBoiledEgg
11-16-2006, 12:04 PM
Roger tanking already :rolls:

spencercarlos
11-16-2006, 12:08 PM
Roger tanking already :rolls:
:lol: Lubo played a great game to break IMO

bluefork
11-16-2006, 12:11 PM
I don't believe Roger's going to tank. He started off slow like he did in both his previous matches, but I think he'll pull it out.

There are advantages to him winning. More prize money (which, granted, is probably is one his last concerns), more ranking points, and I don't think he would want to shy away from the chance to get some revenge over two of his biggest rivals: Nadal and Nalbandian. It's a greater victory for him if he can go undefeated and beat Rafa and David to win the tournament, than if he loses to Ljubicic and then goes on to beat Blake and Ljubicic/Davydenko in the semis and finals.

oz_boz
11-16-2006, 12:12 PM
It would make more sense to ensure Nalby WAS in the semis, given the tragic recent events and IMHO he and Robredo are the weakest (in relative terms) of the 8 playing.

OzTennis :)

Nalby killed Fed for one set and beat Roddick, and has a respectable h2h with Fed. Ljubo could very well be a better opponent for Fed since his returns and ground game can't hurt Fed like Nalby.

spencercarlos
11-16-2006, 12:15 PM
I don't believe Roger's going to tank. He started off slow like he did in both his previous matches, but I think he'll pull it out.

There are advantages to him winning. More prize money (which, granted, is probably is one his last concerns), more ranking points, and I don't think he would want to shy away from the chance to get some revenge over two of his biggest rivals: Nadal and Nalbandian. It's a greater victory for him if he can go undefeated and beat Rafa and David to win the tournament, than if he loses to Ljubicic and then goes on to beat Blake and Ljubicic/Davydenko in the semis and finals.
Hmm to be honest.. No.
I know Federer won´t tank it, but if it were me i would :angel:
Still no matter how he wins the Championships if he does, it is irrelevant if he wins it over Nalbandian or Nadal or whoever goes into the semis and finals, what it matters is the win.

VamoDavid
11-16-2006, 12:16 PM
I don't think Fed would lose this match on purpose, but he has nothing to lose (cept prize money), whereas Ljubicic has everything to win and nothing to lose..

RickDaStick
11-16-2006, 12:17 PM
FED WILL NOT TANK, but he is smart enough not to expand too much energy before the semis and obviously this match is huge for ivan so he will give it his all.

TNX1.0E6TOPCA
11-16-2006, 12:35 PM
It's not in Fed's character of tanking matches + he cares a lot about stats and doesn't want to lose + a victory it's 120'000 $ in his pocket ./. less 37 % taxes ;)

mickymouse
11-16-2006, 12:40 PM
Actually now the pressure is on Federer to win, cos if he loses, people are going to assume he tanked even if he didn't

DrJules
11-16-2006, 12:49 PM
Nalby killed Fed for one set and beat Roddick, and has a respectable h2h with Fed. Ljubo could very well be a better opponent for Fed since his returns and ground game can't hurt Fed like Nalby.

But the Ljubicic serve can be very difficult to break. 30 aces in 3 sets against Nalbandian is impressive.

oz_boz
11-16-2006, 12:59 PM
But the Ljubicic serve can be very difficult to break. 30 aces in 3 sets against Nalbandian is impressive.

True. But I think but what makes Nalby a harder opponent is that Roger cannot rely on his usual strengths, he has to find a different way of winning.

NyGeL
11-16-2006, 04:48 PM
lol, do you think Roger cares if Nalbandian or Ljubicic go by? he just want to win this match (he earn 50,000u$ per win right?) becouse he want to win the tournament without a lose (more $, more points for ranking).

Also he is from Switzerland... he has morale.

jazar
11-16-2006, 06:01 PM
i'm sure the thoughtt of tanking really crossed roger's mind and caused him to lose sleep.

DrJules
11-16-2006, 06:13 PM
Federer obviously does not understand these type of events. If he loses he plays Blake in the semi-final to whom he has never lost or if he wins he plays Nadal (or Davydenko - actually seeing a flying pig is more likely) to whom he has lost 6 times.

So Federer decides to win. Not a good tactical decision.

LCeh
11-16-2006, 06:20 PM
Federer obviously does not understand these type of events. If he loses he plays Blake in the semi-final to whom he has never lost or if he wins he plays Nadal (or Davydenko - actually seeing a flying pig is more likely) to whom he has lost 6 times.

So Federer decides to win. Not a good tactical decision.

They are pro players, they should relish the challenge of facing difficult players imo. Especially for Federer, since he is the no. 1 player. If he purposely lost the match, what type of message would he be giving Nadal or Nalbandian?

Roger did the right thing by winning, for himself, and for Ivan, I don't think Ivan would have wanted a win where his opponent lost on purpose.

r2473
11-16-2006, 06:23 PM
It's not in Fed's character of tanking matches + he cares a lot about stats and doesn't want to lose + a victory it's 120'000 $ in his pocket ./. less 37 % taxes ;)

Are you Fed's accountant?

rofe
11-16-2006, 06:28 PM
Federer obviously does not understand these type of events. If he loses he plays Blake in the semi-final to whom he has never lost or if he wins he plays Nadal (or Davydenko - actually seeing a flying pig is more likely) to whom he has lost 6 times.

So Federer decides to win. Not a good tactical decision.

The only reason Fed would tank is if he wanted to conserve energy but the easy match against Ivan coupled with a day off just made his match today a good workout.

Caerula Sanguis
11-16-2006, 06:28 PM
Federer obviously does not understand these type of events. If he loses he plays Blake in the semi-final to whom he has never lost or if he wins he plays Nadal (or Davydenko - actually seeing a flying pig is more likely) to whom he has lost 6 times.

So Federer decides to win. Not a good tactical decision.

Are you for real? So Federer should tuck his tail and lose on pupose so that he doesn't have to play Rafa? He'll not be in even Top 50 if he has tht kind of mentality.

I actually think he WANTS Nadal. He wants to level the record difference. Like when he was asked a year ago (I forgot which tournament) if he wanted to play David or some other dude next round ( He had losing record against David then), he confidently said he wanted David so he can improve H2H record.

Same thing here.

Again people. Federer has a winner mentality. He wants to prove he can beat anyone and any records. That's what drives him.

DrJules
11-16-2006, 06:36 PM
They are pro players, they should relish the challenge of facing difficult players imo. Especially for Federer, since he is the no. 1 player. If he purposely lost the match, what type of message would he be giving Nadal or Nalbandian?

Roger did the right thing by winning, for himself, and for Ivan, I don't think Ivan would have wanted a win where his opponent lost on purpose.

This is why this format attracts so much hostility.

Losing a match should not give you an easier draw, but in this case it does.

DrJules
11-16-2006, 06:38 PM
Are you for real? So Federer should tuck his tail and lose on pupose so that he doesn't have to play Rafa? He'll not be in even Top 50 if he has tht kind of mentality.

I actually think he WANTS Nadal. He wants to level the record difference. Like when he was asked a year ago (I forgot which tournament) if he wanted to play David or some other dude next round ( He had losing record against David then), he confidently said he wanted David so he can improve H2H record.

Same thing here.

Again people. Federer has a winner mentality. He wants to prove he can beat anyone and any records. That's what drives him.

Nadal over 5 sets is a truer test than Nadal over 3 sets.

Caerula Sanguis
11-16-2006, 06:43 PM
Nadal over 5 sets is a truer test than Nadal over 3 sets.

I personally want to see them meet in the Final, but too bad that's not gonna happen. I hope they meet in the French Open final next year. Or else Fed will be discredited by the haters that he didn't beat Nadal to take French.

ExpectedWinner
11-16-2006, 07:07 PM
Federer obviously does not understand these type of events. If he loses he plays Blake in the semi-final to whom he has never lost or if he wins he plays Nadal (or Davydenko - actually seeing a flying pig is more likely) to whom he has lost 6 times.

So Federer decides to win. Not a good tactical decision.

:retard: :retard: :retard: :retard:

He can't afford to lose to his own fear.Tanking would have meant just that.

Metis
11-16-2006, 07:38 PM
Come on people. Don't you understand? After Ljubicic declared that he wanted Nadal in Shanghai, Federer felt deeply offended and betrayed by his 'good friend' Ivan. Therefore he decided to step in and forbid the ...match, or as he later said in his on court interview: "Hands off baldy, Rafa is mine. You are going home!"


:p

TNX1.0E6TOPCA
11-17-2006, 12:19 PM
Are you Fed's accountant?


i'm the supervisor, it's Mirka the accountant ;)

OK... i just wanted to draw your attention that TMC Shanghai with total prize money US$ 4,450,000 is subject to tax deduction at source by China of 37 %. This is why if the Masters Cup comes back to London it will be more interesting for the players. You know.... 37 % taxes it's just ENORMOUS! :eek:

Eden
11-17-2006, 04:03 PM
FED WILL NOT TANK, but he is smart enough not to expand too much energy before the semis and obviously this match is huge for ivan so he will give it his all.

Very true.

Ivan said in an interview afterwards that he thought he was playing a good match, but the problem is when he plays good Roger is playing great and when he [Ivan] is playing excellent Roger is still able to outdo him.