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Roger Federer d. Andy Roddick 4-6, 7-6, 6-4

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Raquel
11-14-2006, 01:34 PM
:worship:

Great match. Roger was so cool - Borg-like :p In the pressure of the tiebreak and the 3 match points he came up with the goods.

Congrats to Roddick though, he really has raised his level considerably over the course of the year.

El Legenda
11-14-2006, 01:35 PM
nice choke rodduck :wavey:

TheBoiledEgg
11-14-2006, 01:35 PM
Roger :yeah: :D :)

i'm still :rolls: :haha: at that slamdunk by Duckboy

adee-gee
11-14-2006, 01:36 PM
3 match points :sad:

Everyone will go on about the choke by Andy, but I take a lot of positives out of that. Federer didn't play badly and could quite easily have gone down in straight sets. Great match tactically from Andy, just a shame he lost his nerve in the tie break.

silverarrows
11-14-2006, 01:36 PM
Another day in the office for Fed. :cool: Well done! :worship:

*Viva Chile*
11-14-2006, 01:36 PM
Nice choke from Roddick in second set TB

and the credit to Roger for comeback :yeah:

cobalt60
11-14-2006, 01:37 PM
3 match points :sad:

Everyone will go on about the choke by Andy, but I take a lot of positives out of that. Federer didn't play badly and could quite easily have gone down in straight sets. Great match tactically from Andy, just a shame he lost his nerve in the tie break.

Nicely said:)

scoobs
11-14-2006, 01:37 PM
Terrific contest - amazing effort from Andy Roddick, who had Federer running for cover at times in that match and will probably feel furious he didn't take one of his three match points in the tiebreak and wrap it up in 2 sets.

As it is Federer dug in and fought like a tiger and snatched the second set and in doing so, seemed to knock a bit of the wind out of Roddick, who resisted in the third set but once the break had gone seemed short of answers and short of belief.

Still, if he can play like that we should expect him in the world's top 3 pretty soon, surely. For 2 sets he was playing amazing tennis.

As for Roger - good stuff to withstand what was coming at him and get some licks in of his own until he got his chance and took the match.

MisterQ
11-14-2006, 01:37 PM
Cruel.

Exodus
11-14-2006, 01:38 PM
roger! you killed the duck again lol

LLeytonRules
11-14-2006, 01:38 PM
I have yet seen Roger play his best.Credit too Roddick for playing very well.Fed needs too start playing better.Roddick should have won this match but didnt.:o I wanna see a rematch, i think Roddick get too the semis.

Horatio Caine
11-14-2006, 01:38 PM
That "choke" helped Ljubo you ungrateful shit :p

scoobs
11-14-2006, 01:39 PM
Andy shouldn't worry too much about the missed smash at set point down and concentrate on the positives. Roger was playing well yet Andy was still within a whisker of taking him down in 2 sets.

That's the main thing.

Voo de Mar
11-14-2006, 01:39 PM
Poor Andy - he played really well but choked amazingly in the tie-break :( It's 8th time when A-Rod lost the match after wasting a match point:
2001 - 1 mp Enqvist
2003 - 1 mp Henman
2004 - 1 mp Henman
2005 - 4 mp Verdasco, 2 mp Ginepri, 1 mp Karlovic
2006 - 1 mp Pavel, 3 mp Federer

Federer has an unbelivable mental strenght...

lshdure
11-14-2006, 01:39 PM
Well done by Roger. But this game shows Andy can win by S/V game. He really improved a lot. Congra. on Anday, too.

darnyelb
11-14-2006, 01:39 PM
wow, could've easily gone the other way. Good job by both. I really thought Roddick's best chance was this match.

oz_boz
11-14-2006, 01:40 PM
Poor Roddick, I don't like him at all but this time I felt sorry for him. 3 mps in the 2nd set...straightsetting Roger would maybe have turned things around a little for him confidencewise. 12-1 instead

Fed :( better turn the heat up now, this is TMC, not Halle where you can win your first two rounds on 50%. Got lucky this time, but next?

Regenbogen
11-14-2006, 01:41 PM
:hysteric: he was so close...

well good job Roger. I'll get over this eventually :lol:

El Legenda
11-14-2006, 01:42 PM
Roger said Roddick has not changed much, when asked about Roddicks game :lol: than PMAC pretty much attacks him for saying it. :retard:

Metis
11-14-2006, 01:42 PM
Poor Andy! 3 matchpoints :eek:
So close and yet so far from victory...
He can definitely say he got closer though. (which reminds me of Feds after MC and Rome :lol:) His volleys were pretty good though (he had more net winners than Feds I think!)

In any case, congrats to Federer for always finding a way to win even at the brink of defeat!

Dirk
11-14-2006, 01:42 PM
This was the best Andy has ever played him and he held his high level for 3 sets. Andy really might win another slam. This will probably end up being the best match of the event.

hitchhiker
11-14-2006, 01:42 PM
he cant even beat him after having match points in a fairly meaningless match :rolleyes:

20-1 here we come

Golfnduck
11-14-2006, 01:43 PM
3 match points :sad:

Everyone will go on about the choke by Andy, but I take a lot of positives out of that. Federer didn't play badly and could quite easily have gone down in straight sets. Great match tactically from Andy, just a shame he lost his nerve in the tie break.
Andy :sad: :sad: I wish I knew exactly what happened in the tiebreak. Good effort Andy, now please beat Nalbandian.

Galathea
11-14-2006, 01:43 PM
That's losing a match for stupid!! Three match points and he played them in that way!!!!! And more, this time Federer was not near close the level he showed against Nalbandian. He was playing on a not so good level (of course a "not so good Federer" is an excellent for a normal player).

Stilll three match points, and he kept doing serve and net?! To Federer?!!!
You know Such good elements in a player with no brain.

He just kept trowing the ball to the middle of the court!!! Again, with Federer?!!!
That's lack of intelligence. and that's the worst deffect of all for me. But then I'm the one that enjoys long games to see strategy and game plan, not only serve and rushed points.

Peacemaster
11-14-2006, 01:44 PM
This is bloody hilarious. Roger could not have been more than 40% of his usual level and he still beats Andy.

El Legenda
11-14-2006, 01:44 PM
3 match points :sad:

Everyone will go on about the choke by Andy, but I take a lot of positives out of that. Federer didn't play badly and could quite easily have gone down in straight sets. Great match tactically from Andy, just a shame he lost his nerve in the tie break.

Moral victory still = a LOSS :p

blosson
11-14-2006, 01:44 PM
Andy :sad:

LLeytonRules
11-14-2006, 01:44 PM
Did Fed really play well?By his standards, no!!!He did nothing with the Roddick serve when it came too Roddick's first servce.He is used too breaking Roddick's serve.

nobama
11-14-2006, 01:45 PM
Wow!:eek: What a match from Roddick. :worship: I think that's the best I've seen him play in a long time. Fed was constantly under pressure. Such a shame he came so close in the breaker. I don't know what's up with Andy and tb's but he needs to get that sorted out fast. :smash:

oz_boz
11-14-2006, 01:45 PM
Andy shouldn't worry too much about the missed smash at set point down and concentrate on the positives. Roger was playing well yet Andy was still within a whisker of taking him down in 2 sets.

That's the main thing.

Well said. Props to Andy for almost straightsetting his nemesis.

Polikarpov
11-14-2006, 01:46 PM
Whew!

My palms are all sweaty during that tie-breaker!

shotgun
11-14-2006, 01:46 PM
Halle QF all over again.

nobama
11-14-2006, 01:46 PM
I have yet seen Roger play his best.Credit too Roddick for playing very well.Fed needs too start playing better.Roddick should have won this match but didnt.:o I wanna see a rematch, i think Roddick get too the semis.
I disagree. I don't think Roger played badly. Andy played really really well and fought so hard. He didn't give Roger many looks on his serve.

mangoes
11-14-2006, 01:47 PM
I'm really happy to see Roger:hug: get through this match.....I thought Andy had the match won in the TB. One of the best matches I've seen Andy play in a long, long time. Would have preferred that it was against another player:lol: :lol: :lol: But, well done Andy:hug:

JustmeUK
11-14-2006, 01:48 PM
3 match points :sad:

Everyone will go on about the choke by Andy, but I take a lot of positives out of that. Federer didn't play badly and could quite easily have gone down in straight sets. Great match tactically from Andy, just a shame he lost his nerve in the tie break.

It's not fair to say he lost his nerve. On the set point he had, he missed the opportunity to hit a fh volley better than he did and therefor allowed Roger to pass him. if anything this probably had something to do with his over reaching for that overhead dunk smash. the adrenaline and the determination to play a strong shot just made that a poor choice. but at least he put himself in a position to win which is something pre connors it seemed like he'd forgotten how to do.

I'll never be an andy fan. he doesn't have the grace of movement and shotmaking ability that seduces me but today he has my admiration for bringing his game and putting it on the line. and the game needs a roddick whose right at the top challenging for roger and rafa.

now if only we could get gasquet in the mix consistently and safin pitching up occasionally.. that would make for a series of outstanding years to come.

Galathea
11-14-2006, 01:48 PM
Did Fed really play well?By his standards, no!!!He did nothing with the Roddick serve when it came too Roddick's first servce.He is used too breaking Roddick's serve.

No, but Federer used brains, while Roddick just seemed to hit every yellow thing he saw :rolleyes:

It was a class about when to hit and how to do it....

RonE
11-14-2006, 01:49 PM
OMG :eek:

That was too close for comfort :tape:

But, as many of us were reminded so many times after the Rome final, even though he was down match points he was the one who ultimately won the final point of the match and that is what counts :yeah:

scoobs
11-14-2006, 01:49 PM
I disagree. I don't think Roger played badly. Andy played really really well and fought so hard. He didn't give Roger many looks on his serve.

Exactly, thank you.

Roger WAS playing well - he was just being pressured and rushed a lot by Roddick forcing the errors.

When you see Roger miss a pass is it because he's playing badly or because his opponent gave him a tough ball to deal with and little time to deal with it?

It was much more of the latter today because when Roger DID have time he was making sublime passing shots off both wings.

Roger played well - Andy played extremely well and is pretty unfortunate to come out the loser.

Xristos
11-14-2006, 01:49 PM
Roger. Step your game up. Period.

nobama
11-14-2006, 01:50 PM
Did Fed really play well?By his standards, no!!!He did nothing with the Roddick serve when it came too Roddick's first servce.He is used too breaking Roddick's serve.Um, Roddick served really well and got himself out of holes with his serve. I think it's really a slap in the face to Roddick to say Fed was not at his best. Just because he didn't easily have his way with Roddick doesn't mean he was playing crap. Give Roddick some credit for the way he played today.

LLeytonRules
11-14-2006, 01:50 PM
He didnt play too his standards, thats my point.He was 13 out of 68, 19 percent on 1rst return points won.Roddick served well but doesnt he always serve well against Fed?Fed usually blocks it.

landoud
11-14-2006, 01:50 PM
great match from Andy... but credits to Roger for the comeback :)

Exodus
11-14-2006, 01:50 PM
seems like roddick played the match of his life yet he couldn't beat federer...

JustmeUK
11-14-2006, 01:51 PM
Did Fed really play well?By his standards, no!!!He did nothing with the Roddick serve when it came too Roddick's first servce.He is used too breaking Roddick's serve.

Roddick simply didn't allow Fed to break his serve. And really when u see the way Andy rolls others over with his serve, u have to ask what it is that allowed Fed to break it with impunity in the past. Federer DID play well. He had to given what Andy brought to the game today. Besides Fed is still pacing himself for the latter stages but when he needed to he played some of his best tennis though at times he did make a few uncharacteristic errors (especially a few poorly timed double faults).

He didnt play too his standards, thats my point.He was 13 out of 68, 19 percent on 1rst return points won.Roddick served well but doesnt he always serve well against Fed?Fed usually blocks it.

The difference today was Roddick was playing some pretty good s&v. Fed was having to do more with the return. There's a lot of things Roddick is doing better and I put it all down to Jimmy :)

seems like roddick played the match of his life yet he couldn't beat federer...

He came close. How many of their last 12 encounters have truly been that close? 4-5 maybe. If they are as close as today's Roger is going to start losing some.

LLeytonRules
11-14-2006, 01:52 PM
I give Roddick all the credit in the world.I would love too see another match as well between them, too see how Fed would do differently.He hasnt exactly lit the world on fire the first set in both matches.

GlennMirnyi
11-14-2006, 01:53 PM
Roger faltered, then... :eek:

nobama
11-14-2006, 01:54 PM
Exactly, thank you.

Roger WAS playing well - he was just being pressured and rushed a lot by Roddick forcing the errors.

When you see Roger miss a pass is it because he's playing badly or because his opponent gave him a tough ball to deal with and little time to deal with it?

It was much more of the latter today because when Roger DID have time he was making sublime passing shots off both wings.

Roger played well - Andy played extremely well and is pretty unfortunate to come out the loser.You hit the nail on the head. Plenty of former players & commentators/journalists have said the tactic to use against Roger is to take his time away. And that's what Roddick tried to do today. And came VERY close. I still think Roger had more "wow" shots though. But I think it's pretty disrespectful to Andy for anyone to suggest Roger was only playing at 40/50% today. There are two people on court you know.

lshdure
11-14-2006, 01:56 PM
[QUOTE=Galathea;4450478]That's losing a match for stupid!! Three match points and he played them in that way!!!!! And more, this time Federer was not near close the level he showed against Nalbandian. He was playing on a not so good level (of course a "not so good Federer" is an excellent for a normal player).

Federer's level is usually decided by opponent's level. His level usually drops when the opponent's level is upward. And when he is relaxed without pressure, he is in A level. See 1st and 2nd set. When Andy was gearing toward upward, Fed could not transmitted to the next level. He could have lost easily in the 2nd set. Luckily, Andy chocked. I watched so many of Fed's match and came to know that Fed. usually win the points with other's UEs when it really matters.

Today, Andy's tactic was better than Fed. and his S/V game and authority at the net was much better. Blocking back of Andy's service was not enough today.
As for me, he is not versatile anymore. Federer's net game becomes worse and worse. Roach knows that. Watch 3rd set. He missed easy volley three times. This is because of lacking of rivarly. I hope Andy's resurgence and Nadal's recovery instigate Federer. This helps Tennis.

Kip
11-14-2006, 01:59 PM
Exactly, thank you.

Roger WAS playing well - he was just being pressured and rushed a lot by Roddick forcing the errors.

When you see Roger miss a pass is it because he's playing badly or because his opponent gave him a tough ball to deal with and little time to deal with it?

It was much more of the latter today because when Roger DID have time he was making sublime passing shots off both wings.

Roger played well - Andy played extremely well and is pretty unfortunate to come out the loser.


If that is the case, then hopefully players will continue to challenge
and those bemoaning Roger's records for suppossed "lack of good
competition" can give it a rest and find something new to bemoan
his records with.


Roger is Roger Federer for a reason and he steps it
up when he needs to and almost always finds a way! :cool:

Puschkin
11-14-2006, 02:00 PM
Roger is Roger Federer for a reason...
:yeah:

JustmeUK
11-14-2006, 02:01 PM
For me, he is not versatile anymore. Today, Andy's tactic was better than Fed. and his S/V game and authority at the net was much better. Federer's net game becomes worse and worse. This is because of lacking of rivarly.

Now here I have to disagree. Fed was still winning points on S&V even if he was doing this less often than Roddick.

Thing is Roger has perfected the art of doing what is necessary to win tennis matches. If u look back to his matches in 2004 he played a lot more dazzling tennis. Now? He still has all the shots but he's simply so much better at playing the percentage shot. But under pressure he still comes up with the winning shot more than most.

scoobs
11-14-2006, 02:02 PM
On the subject of Roger's return of serve, Roddick was serve-volleying a fair bit in the match, and putting immediate pressure on Roger by volleying the blocked floaty return and getting the ball into a difficult place for Roger to deal with.

In the past Roddick hasn't attacked the blocked return - today he did much more and that's why he held serve so much more easily than in the past. He either volleyed the return or let Roger know that he COULD come in and volley the return - that put pressure on Roger to hit over the ball on his return more than he probably wanted to.

DrJules
11-14-2006, 02:02 PM
A match that depended on so few points. Roddick could easily have won in straight sets had he converted the match points. However, Federer managed to fail to convert his first 6 break points.

In the larger scheme it was the least important match between. Neither player is eliminated.

GlennMirnyi
11-14-2006, 02:03 PM
[QUOTE=Galathea;4450478]That's losing a match for stupid!! Three match points and he played them in that way!!!!! And more, this time Federer was not near close the level he showed against Nalbandian. He was playing on a not so good level (of course a "not so good Federer" is an excellent for a normal player).

Federer's level is usually decided by opponent's level. His level usually drops when the opponent's level is upward. And when he is relaxed without pressure, he is in A level. See 1st and 2nd set. When Andy was gearing toward upward, Fed could not transmitted to the next level. He could have lost easily in the 2nd set. Luckily, Andy chocked. I watched so many of Fed's match and came to know that Fed. usually win the points with other's UEs when it really matters.

For me, he is not versatile anymore. Today, Andy's tactic was better than Fed. and his S/V game and authority at the net was much better. Federer's net game becomes worse and worse. This is because of lacking of rivarly.

Never read so much :bs: in my whole life, and mind you the GM is full of 'em. Roddick's tactical sense is about the same as a cd cover's.
Federer plays a bad match (and wins) and people start saying thins like that. Stupidity should hurt. :rolleyes:

Aloevera
11-14-2006, 02:03 PM
That's scary..... Andy was very close from winning. He has a very good day but still, Fed is one of the luckiest out there.

And how about Roddick's return game? I haven't seen the match yet, but I guess it was still bad.... Becoz everytime it's turn for Fed to serve, the game was updated very quickly in the livescore.

mickymouse
11-14-2006, 02:04 PM
At least Roddick kept it really really close and he should take pride in that....but I still think he's more likely to beat Federer in best of 3 rather than best of 5.

lshdure
11-14-2006, 02:05 PM
I give Roddick all the credit in the world.I would love too see another match as well between them, too see how Fed would do differently.He hasnt exactly lit the world on fire the first set in both matches.

Agree! Technically Any won today. Usually Roger blocked andy's service and it was enough. But it was not in this time. I really would like to see next match between them in order to see how Federer responds to Andy's S/V game.

nobama
11-14-2006, 02:05 PM
Roger didn't get lucky in this match. :rolleyes: He never gave up and fought hard to win it. That's how it goes with tb's, can be decided on one or two points.

Loremaster
11-14-2006, 02:06 PM
Many people said that Andy will need terrific service match to win it and he lacked it, in first set he was erving awesome 8 Aces + 12 direct points from serve, 2&3 weren't sop impressive his % lowered to something about 50% from 70% , and he hit only 3 aces in 2nd and 1!! in 3rd set, 12 more direct poitns from service but it was less that 1st alone , that costed him TB unfortunatly , he was winning tie break without aces and with something like 40% od 1st serves in, it something odd.

but his volleys were huge, it was volleying much better than Federer about 60times at net and this could be key to his game becasue he nullified block returns by Federer by coming to net it was awesome , he put Roger under huge pressure, he casted him out of baseline and Federer who was playing extremly well couldn't show his superb passing shots becasue Andy's volley were too good, federer who was only about 15 at net hitted more bad volleys then Roddick.

His Forehand was hit very hard even at Open he didn't hit so hard especially wehn his service wans't working well in 2nd and 3rd set hsi forehand was much better , Federe was running corner to corner

His Backhand was very stable some of them were superb and hit very very hard , it was shock to see Federer far behind baseline and running against Andy

It was so sad that he lost, he was better player out there , it was similiar to Rome Federer was better but lost , it happens sometimes ,

But I think that andy is favourite to reach final, all players in golden group desn't stand a chance if he will play at least 65% as today

kunal
11-14-2006, 02:07 PM
really good to see roddick compete like that with roger

~EMiLiTA~
11-14-2006, 02:07 PM
Andy *sigh*

congrats to Roger for coming back

Kip
11-14-2006, 02:09 PM
Roger didn't get lucky in this match. :rolleyes: He never gave up and fought hard to win it. That's how it goes with tb's, can be decided on one or two points.

I wouldn't sweat it.

Sour grapes come with the territory
when a match this close is won in
such a manner.

Fact remains, luck/moment meet opportunity
is a part of sports and life for that matter.
It changes nothing when others want to use
it as some sort of swipe against another.

it's all good. :cool:

lshdure
11-14-2006, 02:09 PM
Exactly, thank you.

Roger WAS playing well - he was just being pressured and rushed a lot by Roddick forcing the errors.

When you see Roger miss a pass is it because he's playing badly or because his opponent gave him a tough ball to deal with and little time to deal with it?

It was much more of the latter today because when Roger DID have time he was making sublime passing shots off both wings.

Roger played well - Andy played extremely well and is pretty unfortunate to come out the loser.

My question is, why, then is he great? If he can't change his gear responded to opponent's level? Is he just praying for his opponent's choking?

spencercarlos
11-14-2006, 02:12 PM
Well done by Roger. But this game shows Andy can win by S/V game. He really improved a lot. Congra. on Anday, too.
Roddick was not exactly serving and volleying.
He came in off his approach shots and won a lot of points from there, but he was not playing a Rafter like stlye.

RickDaStick
11-14-2006, 02:13 PM
When I saw Andy had 3 match points i figured it was on Feds serve,but now I see Andy led 5-2 then 5-4 with 2 serves. CHOKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

FSRteam
11-14-2006, 02:13 PM
If a-rod keeps working on his s/v game, he will have a very good chance to beat fed on any fast surface, wimbledon 07 anyone? His serve is so huge that one can wonder why he's been waiting so long to work on his s/ game. I think he is on the right track, watch out guys!

A fed/a-rod final sunday would be great!!! :)

oz_boz
11-14-2006, 02:15 PM
On the subject of Roger's return of serve, Roddick was serve-volleying a fair bit in the match, and putting immediate pressure on Roger by volleying the blocked floaty return and getting the ball into a difficult place for Roger to deal with.

In the past Roddick hasn't attacked the blocked return - today he did much more and that's why he held serve so much more easily than in the past. He either volleyed the return or let Roger know that he COULD come in and volley the return - that put pressure on Roger to hit over the ball on his return more than he probably wanted to.

Interesting. I wish I'd seen the match.

GlennMirnyi
11-14-2006, 02:16 PM
If a-rod keeps working on his s/v game, he will have a very good chance to beat fed on any fast surface, wimbledon 07 anyone? His serve is so huge that one can wonder why he's been waiting so long to work on his s/ game. I think he is on the right track, watch out guys!

A fed/a-rod final sunday would be great!!! :)

Roddick has no volleys. I bet Xristos volleys better than him.

Kip
11-14-2006, 02:16 PM
If a-rod keeps working on his s/v game, he will have a very good chance to beat fed on any fast surface, wimbledon 07 anyone? His serve is so huge that one can wonder why he's been waiting so long to work on his s/ game. I think he is on the right track, watch out guys!

A fed/a-rod final sunday would be great!!! :)

Which is a good thing as it helps
Roger to contiually improve his game
as well. For as good as Roger is the fact
that he can still improve is a great thing and
it'll happen much more rapidly as he is pushed
to find more solutions to such challenges.

spencercarlos
11-14-2006, 02:17 PM
He didnt play too his standards, thats my point.He was 13 out of 68, 19 percent on 1rst return points won.Roddick served well but doesnt he always serve well against Fed?Fed usually blocks it.
Roddick´s serve is huge and he is hitting it closer to the lines now, overall he is playing better, he is smacking his backhand too, showed great attitude as well, very convinced that he could win, acutally one of the few times i say "ok Roddick has been better than Federer today". This is coming from a Federer fan.
But got to give Federer the props for winning because he fought hard, deep stayed cool in those match points and found the way to win, it´s amazing how well Federer plays under pressure, time after time again. :worship:

Having said this i hope Roddick advances because Federer and Roddick are the best of their group.

yanchr
11-14-2006, 02:20 PM
Roger :hug: I feel bad for Andy btw...

avocadoe
11-14-2006, 02:20 PM
Federer vs Roddick was a thriller diller through 2 sets. Roddick shoulda/coulda/woulda won but didn't, making it a very nice match for my maiden voyage with HD. The third set was less tense, as Roger got a break early on, and the play was not quite the quality of the first two. Roddick has definitely improved his game and did all the new things excellently in the first two sets, serving great, of course, but backing up a lot of serves with net rushing and good net play, making the pass harder to get for Roger. He went deep into rallies winning his share with lazer down the liners. He hugged the baseline on groundies and return of serve, something everyone has said he must do, and is now doing it.

Loremaster
11-14-2006, 02:20 PM
And what is more, Andy is coming closer and closer to beat Roger, since 2004 Wimledon final he doesn't stand a chance against Roger losing easily in straight sets now the gap his closing really close, at Open it was close match in 2&3 set it coudl go either way and Roger played his best, here he was even closer , he volley better, he hit forehand and backhand harder and better, moving better, serving with head, Jimmy Connors changed Roddick a lot,

TBs are concern but it will be soluted, I remember Andy in 2005 and 2006 up to Cincy, he was loosing Tbs as badly as now but when he lost TBs he choked match all the way, when situation was bad he was blowing everything now, even when he lost TBs he recover he is fighting like crazy, First time against Bracciali at Cincy , then against Verdasco at Open when I tought that it is all over when Fernadno broke Andy at the begining of 5th set but he recover quickly and was even stronger even Today he make 3rd set close fighting like crazy in last set(all games where ad advantages expect final one), he didn't make this at the begining of 2006 and in 2005 he was loosing such matches , it step forward , and the next step will about Tbs , andy will take positives from this match, Jimmy is that kind of coach that will force andy to cast all bad feeling out of him and change it into agressive game in next matches. The more time he spend with Jimmy the better he is I looking forward to AO, he will have plenty of time to work with Jimmy and ReboudnAce suits his game even better than indoor surface, his 2nd serve is killer on Reoound ace I think if he will bring game like today to the AO he coudl be at least finalist (but he could become even better )

FSRteam
11-14-2006, 02:20 PM
Many people said that Andy will need terrific service match to win it and he lacked it, in first set he was erving awesome 8 Aces + 12 direct points from serve, 2&3 weren't sop impressive his % lowered to something about 50% from 70% , and he hit only 3 aces in 2nd and 1!! in 3rd set, 12 more direct poitns from service but it was less that 1st alone , that costed him TB unfortunatly , he was winning tie break without aces and with something like 40% od 1st serves in, it something odd.

but his volleys were huge, it was volleying much better than Federer about 60times at net and this could be key to his game becasue he nullified block returns by Federer by coming to net it was awesome , he put Roger under huge pressure, he casted him out of baseline and Federer who was playing extremly well couldn't show his superb passing shots becasue Andy's volley were too good, federer who was only about 15 at net hitted more bad volleys then Roddick.

His Forehand was hit very hard even at Open he didn't hit so hard especially wehn his service wans't working well in 2nd and 3rd set hsi forehand was much better , Federe was running corner to corner

His Backhand was very stable some of them were superb and hit very very hard , it was shock to see Federer far behind baseline and running against Andy

It was so sad that he lost, he was better player out there , it was similiar to Rome Federer was better but lost , it happens sometimes ,

But I think that andy is favourite to reach final, all players in golden group desn't stand a chance if he will play at least 65% as today

You are so biased!!! :rolleyes:

The difference is that in rome fed won more points than rafa wich was not the case for andy today!

Actually, andy threw everything at fed today, just like he did in the 2004 wimbledon final! Though fed hung there and won the important points.

Fumus
11-14-2006, 02:21 PM
Roger was outplayed for 2 sets. Any doubts about if Roddick has the goods to beat Federer now should be put the rest. I would just like to say to the person who made that poll, with Roddick winning not being an option can basically go fuck themselves after todays match. Annnyyways, good match, alot of positives for Andy, Roger picked it up when he had to but was outplayed for two sets and really had no answer for Roddick aggresive play mixed with slice serves. I look forward to their next meeting. Roddick's game is seemingly improving everytime he steps out on the court. Andy is still a threat for this title and things are looking great for 07'

oz_boz
11-14-2006, 02:22 PM
My question is, why, then is he great? If he can't change his gear responded to opponent's level? Is he just praying for his opponent's choking?

Because he has won 9 slams, 4-peated Wimbly, 12 AMS shields, is number 2 on clay and outstanding #1 on everything else, blahblahblah. Do you honestly think he would have achieved that if he only prayed for his opponent choking? I suspect it is Tourmalante/Rafa=Fed killa speaking here.

GlennMirnyi
11-14-2006, 02:26 PM
Roger was outplayed for 2 sets. Any doubts about if Roddick has the goods to beat Federer now should be put the rest. I would just like to say to the person who made that poll, with Roddick winning not being an option can basically go fuck themselves after todays match. Annnyyways, good match, alot of positives for Andy, Roger picked it up when he had to but was outplayed for two sets and really had no answer for Roddick aggresive play mixed with slice serves. I look forward to their next meeting. Roddick's game is seemingly improving everytime he steps out on the court. Andy is still a threat for this title and things are looking great for 07'

Wrong.

WhirlyballDerek
11-14-2006, 02:31 PM
What's funny is that yesterday I found an artical from 2003 praising Roger for being one of the last serve and volley players. Now he never does it. I love his game just wish he would mix it up and play with it a little more.

spencercarlos
11-14-2006, 02:36 PM
That's losing a match for stupid!! Three match points and he played them in that way!!!!! And more, this time Federer was not near close the level he showed against Nalbandian. He was playing on a not so good level (of course a "not so good Federer" is an excellent for a normal player).

Stilll three match points, and he kept doing serve and net?! To Federer?!!!
You know Such good elements in a player with no brain.

He just kept trowing the ball to the middle of the court!!! Again, with Federer?!!!
That's lack of intelligence. and that's the worst deffect of all for me. But then I'm the one that enjoys long games to see strategy and game plan, not only serve and rushed points.
If you see stats better you could see that Nalbandian played crap in the last two sets, all of this despite Federer played better, but David made 8 errors in the first set and finished the match with 33, that´s up to 25 unforced errors in two 6-1 6-1 sets.

Today was really different, both had to earn it, and the slightest mystake on a shot the other player would pounce on it, i would like to see the final stats from today´s match!!

Deea
11-14-2006, 02:39 PM
oh well, my respects to Andy...he played great...and was inches away from one of the biggest wins of his career...too bad there's a difference between almost defeated and didn't manage to...:sad: Well done Andy! :worship:

lshdure
11-14-2006, 02:40 PM
Because he has won 9 slams, 4-peated Wimbly, 12 AMS shields, is number 2 on clay and outstanding #1 on everything else, blahblahblah. Do you honestly think he would have achieved that if he only prayed for his opponent choking? I suspect it is Tourmalante/Rafa=Fed killa speaking here[/B][/B].

What a ideology for Federer and blided adoration for Roger! It's not good for him and tennis. I am saying the level of the Great's play, not about his gatherings. They are delusion. Do you really think that Federer comes out with great/classic shot when it matters? This is matrics for the GREAT. If he really wants to show that he is GOAT, he needs his own classic shot, not opponents' UEs.

Today, Andy was the winner as far as tatic and variety is concerned.

rofe
11-14-2006, 02:40 PM
This was Andy's best chance. He was constantly attacking Fed and mixing it up. Andy also kept Fed guessing on his serves and Fed's return game was affected. Andy should have won this match.

Another TB lost.

Dirk
11-14-2006, 02:42 PM
Duck did very well but Roger won't let him win especially in a slam. Give it up Duck and Rafatards. NINJA IS NUMBER ONE AND THERE IS NOT A DAMN THING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT.

GlennMirnyi
11-14-2006, 02:42 PM
What a ideology for Federer and blided adoration for Roger! It's not good for him and tennis. I am saying the level of the Great's play, not about his gatherings. They are delusion. Do you really think that Federer comes out with great/classic shot when it matters? This is matrics for the GREAT. If he really wants to show that he is GOAT, he needs his own classic shot, not opponents' UEs.

Today, Andy was the winner as far as tatic and variety is concerned.

You know nothing about tennis, stop please. Look at yourself. You're trying to prove that Federer relies only on UEs to win matches. That's ridiculous.

marcRD
11-14-2006, 02:43 PM
Fed played awesome tennis, Roddick played awesome tennis.

No excuses are needed. I always knew Roddick had it in him to challenge Federer, even if the matchup is bad against Roddick. But to have any chanse he needs to play his absolutely best tennis everytime. Roddick has developed a great defense from the baseline and makes Federer hit many UES. Also Federer had problems reading Roddicks serve.

However I dont think Roddick deserved to win today any more than Federer, I feel sorry for Roddick but Federer played an awesome match, hit almost 60 winners against 40 from Roddick, was really cool after choking in the beginning of the tiebreak.

Too many people talk about choking, Roddick did everything right in the match point on his serve (except not hiting a 1st serve), not to mention some amazing winners to save 3 set points earlier in the set. Federer was just slightly better.

spencercarlos
11-14-2006, 02:43 PM
Many people said that Andy will need terrific service match to win it and he lacked it, in first set he was erving awesome 8 Aces + 12 direct points from serve, 2&3 weren't sop impressive his % lowered to something about 50% from 70% , and he hit only 3 aces in 2nd and 1!! in 3rd set, 12 more direct poitns from service but it was less that 1st alone , that costed him TB unfortunatly , he was winning tie break without aces and with something like 40% od 1st serves in, it something odd.

but his volleys were huge, it was volleying much better than Federer about 60times at net and this could be key to his game becasue he nullified block returns by Federer by coming to net it was awesome , he put Roger under huge pressure, he casted him out of baseline and Federer who was playing extremly well couldn't show his superb passing shots becasue Andy's volley were too good, federer who was only about 15 at net hitted more bad volleys then Roddick.

His Forehand was hit very hard even at Open he didn't hit so hard especially wehn his service wans't working well in 2nd and 3rd set hsi forehand was much better , Federe was running corner to corner

His Backhand was very stable some of them were superb and hit very very hard , it was shock to see Federer far behind baseline and running against Andy

It was so sad that he lost, he was better player out there , it was similiar to Rome Federer was better but lost , it happens sometimes ,

But I think that andy is favourite to reach final, all players in golden group desn't stand a chance if he will play at least 65% as today
Honestly today was one of the best days ever for Roddick, he was very agressive, hitting hard from both sides, serving really well too.
The serve you can´t only count the aces and direct points out right with the serve because there were a lot of points where Federer was barely able to hit it back but really easy for Roddick to close in at the net or with an agressive approach winner.

marcRD
11-14-2006, 02:44 PM
What a ideology for Federer and blided adoration for Roger! It's not good for him and tennis. I am saying the level of the Great's play, not about his gatherings. They are delusion. Do you really think that Federer comes out with great/classic shot when it matters? This is matrics for the GREAT. If he really wants to show that he is GOAT, he needs his own classic shot, not opponents' UEs.

Today, Andy was the winner as far as tatic and variety is concerned.

T.A.R.D

Fumus
11-14-2006, 02:44 PM
Wrong.

Oh yea? 3mps didn't change your mind...lol...

How about the fact that over the first two sets, Roddick had a higher percentage of return points won, a better winner to error ratio, more aces, and oh yea, 6 saved bps. :)

FSRteam
11-14-2006, 02:47 PM
Roger was outplayed for 2 sets. Any doubts about if Roddick has the goods to beat Federer now should be put the rest. I would just like to say to the person who made that poll, with Roddick winning not being an option can basically go fuck themselves after todays match. Annnyyways, good match, alot of positives for Andy, Roger picked it up when he had to but was outplayed for two sets and really had no answer for Roddick aggresive play mixed with slice serves. I look forward to their next meeting. Roddick's game is seemingly improving everytime he steps out on the court. Andy is still a threat for this title and things are looking great for 07'


You can't say fed was outplayed, just have a look at the stats. They were both playing good tennis and were on equal term which have been rare between these 2 over the last couple of years, that's what is stricking but fed was as outplayed by roddick as roddcik was outplayed by fed (got 58 winners in his face!!!).

GlennMirnyi
11-14-2006, 02:48 PM
Oh yea? 3mps didn't change your mind...lol...

How about the fact that over the first two sets, Roddick had a higher percentage of return points won, a better winner to error ratio, more aces, and oh yea, 6 saved bps. :)

Who won?
Thank you!

NEXT!

Fed-Express
11-14-2006, 02:48 PM
Roger. Step your game up. Period.

Well, you know, HE won. :lol:

revolution
11-14-2006, 02:49 PM
Who won?
Thank you!

NEXT!

Come on man, in this case you are saying who won matters most, but when it comes to Nadal it's how they won not the fact that they won. :p

rofe
11-14-2006, 02:50 PM
Oh yea? 3mps didn't change your mind...lol...

How about the fact that over the first two sets, Roddick had a higher percentage of return points won, a better winner to error ratio, more aces, and oh yea, 6 saved bps. :)

Close is a relative term and Andy is about as close to beating Fed as Fed is to beating Nadal. One match is no indication that Andy is getting closer just like Roger's Wimbly win is no indication that he is closer to beating Nadal. Andy stepped it up no doubt but Fed was still able to play the big points better. Fed won the match, Andy did not lose it.

GlennMirnyi
11-14-2006, 02:52 PM
Come on man, in this case you are saying who won matters most, but when it comes to Nadal it's how they won not the fact that they won. :p

I'm sorry I can't put down your so-called argument now.

Federer doesn't moonball to win, and that means something.

marcRD
11-14-2006, 02:52 PM
Oh yea? 3mps didn't change your mind...lol...

How about the fact that over the first two sets, Roddick had a higher percentage of return points won, a better winner to error ratio, more aces, and oh yea, 6 saved bps. :)

Federer was outplayed by Nalbandian in the 1st set (broken 3 times) and Nalbandian was outplayed by Federer in the 2 other sets.

Roddick and Federer played a close match for 3 sets. No one was outplayed. The term outplayed seems to be used everytime Federer plays a close match. Like how Federer was outplayed against Safin in AO.

Only Nalbandian and Nadal has the ability to outplay Federer if you ask me. Roddick has the ability to challenge Federer but never outplay him.

FSRteam
11-14-2006, 02:54 PM
Oh yea? 3mps didn't change your mind...lol...

How about the fact that over the first two sets, Roddick had a higher percentage of return points won, a better winner to error ratio, more aces, and oh yea, 6 saved bps. :)

Wrong! In the 1st set yes, but not in the 2nd!

Fed-Express
11-14-2006, 02:55 PM
Never read so much :bs: in my whole life

That's because you lucky guy don't have to read you own posts.
Why can't you give at least a bit credit to Roger's opponents?

Fumus
11-14-2006, 02:57 PM
Who won?
Thank you!

NEXT!

I believe it was Federer's dramatic 5 set loss against Hewitt in Davis Cup which turned that rivalry around. Although it was a tough loss for Roger, Roger went on to beat Hewitt everytime they played following that match. The rivalry now at 11-7 and it was 2-7. Since 03' this is the best Roddick has played period, and his game is constantly improving, and is hardly the best it could be. However, lets remember here Roddick has beaten Fed before, so all this talk about him not being capable is bs anyways because he has before. Today is just a reminder that he can, and that you can't count him out a major and etc vs. Fed. I would like to see how this new S&V style fairs on the grasses of the all England club.

Btw, nice arguement there GM, I see you are a real tennis scholar. Why don't you go back go back to kindergarden it's almost time for milk and cookies.

gillian
11-14-2006, 02:57 PM
Oh my. I need to see highlights of this match. Where can I catch highlights?

FSRteam
11-14-2006, 03:01 PM
I believe it was Federer's dramatic 5 set loss against Hewitt in Davis Cup which turned that rivalry around. Although it was a tough loss for Roger, Roger went on to beat Hewitt everytime they played following that match. The rivalry now at 11-7 and it was 2-7. Since 03' this is the best Roddick has played period, and his game is constantly improving, and is hardly the best it could be. However, lets remember here Roddick has beaten Fed before, so all this talk about him not being capable is bs anyways because he has before. Today is just a reminder that he can, and that you can't count him out a major and etc vs. Fed. I would like to see how this new S&V style fairs on the grasses of the all England club.

Btw, nice arguement there GM, I see you are a real tennis scholar. Why don't you go back go back to kindergarden it's almost time for milk and cookies.

Of course he can beat fed, so can lubjo, nalby, rafa, blake and many other very good players on a good day!

Fumus
11-14-2006, 03:02 PM
Close is a relative term and Andy is about as close to beating Fed as Fed is to beating Nadal. One match is no indication that Andy is getting closer just like Roger's Wimbly win is no indication that he is closer to beating Nadal. Andy stepped it up no doubt but Fed was still able to play the big points better. Fed won the match, Andy did not lose it.

UUmm...I don't think you would have had this result earlier in the year. Andy's game is clearly different than it was, by that I mean, it's much improved.

One match doesn't mean much but this isn't one match it's a bunch of matches Roddick has played where he has looked better, he's stepped up, and improved his game. Making the US Open final, playing a close match with Federer there. This was Roddick's match, just like Rome was Federer's but, that doesn't mean next time Roddick will capitalize, it only means today Roddick was close and next time he might go all the way.

Fumus
11-14-2006, 03:03 PM
Of course he can beat fed, so can lubjo, nalby, rafa, blake and many other very good players on a good day!

:yeah:

Thank you. That was my only point. Roddick is a good player again and should be in the same sentence with those guys who can beat Federer.

Boris Franz Ecker
11-14-2006, 03:06 PM
Roger's Wimbly win is no indication that he is closer to beating Nadal.
What else is it?

Please, don't write such nonsense.

marcRD
11-14-2006, 03:08 PM
Any great player (Blake, Roddick, Safin, Ljubo, Davy) can win against Federer on their day. However only Nalby and Nadal has the ability to truly outplay him.

However one great player, Hewitt wont ever beat Federer again no matter how bad Fed plays and how good Hewitt plays.

Blue Heart24
11-14-2006, 03:10 PM
:haha:

croat123
11-14-2006, 03:11 PM
"sit down, it's not a hard concept"

mishar
11-14-2006, 03:11 PM
One of the best matches I've ever seen Andy play.

If he can keep building in that direction, he'll beat almost everyone, and probably Rog a couple of times as well. Shame about the overhead, but kudos to Roger for gutting it out.

Metis
11-14-2006, 03:14 PM
"sit down, it's not a hard concept"
Roger said that, didn't he? :haha:

Fumus
11-14-2006, 03:15 PM
Roger said that, didn't he? :haha:

That sounds like that mean old Roger doesn't it.

No it was Andy and he got booed, but the crowd there doesn't watch alot of live tennis and they were walking around during points. :o

Metis
11-14-2006, 03:17 PM
That sounds like that mean old Roger doesn't it.

No it was Andy and he got booed, but the crowd there doesn't watch alot of live tennis and they were walking around during points. :o
:confused: I thought it was Roger, because at some point (in the first set I think) the commentators were talking about Roger being annoyed and telling the crowd to sit down.

I might be wrong though...

tennisgal_001
11-14-2006, 03:20 PM
One word:

:worship: RESPECT :worship:
(for Andy Roddick for sticking to HIS game plan and implementing it almost 99% of the time, for Roger Federer for turning it around when 99% of us thought it really wasn't going to be his day)

nobama
11-14-2006, 03:20 PM
Does anyone have the complete stats for this match. The masters cup website doesn't include winners/ue's and net stats.

rofe
11-14-2006, 03:25 PM
What else is it?

Please, don't write such nonsense.

Ok, I will spell it out for you - on a consistent basis. Happy? :rolleyes:

silverwhite
11-14-2006, 03:28 PM
Who won?
Thank you!

NEXT!

Have to agree. Roddick deserves all the credit in the world for playing as well as he did, but by not being able to convert any of the MPs, he has only shown that he can challenge Roger, not beat him. It's a slight difference in this case but a difference nonetheless. :)

mandoura
11-14-2006, 03:30 PM
Wow, that was close. Well done Roger. What a relief with that win. :yeah:

Andy :hug: , I really don't know what to say. That is one really tough loss to take. I know there are a lot of positives but I don't think they will make him feel better now, maybe later. What does one say to someone who played that well, came so close to winning, yet didn't. Tough luck Andy. As mangoes said earlier, against another opponent, my heart would be broken for Andy (maybe it is a little bit) . This is a typical win of Roger's that makes me feel, as a fan, a little embarassed.

I don't think Roger played bad but he did not play that well either. I think what helped Roger today is both his nerve and his serve :eek: which came up with the goods when it really mattered. Andy was serving great but, ironically, his serve failed him and couldn't provide him with a win at match point. A real shame for him. :sad:

The one thing I was really happy to see today is the old Andy I missed so much. I think he regained his self-belief and hunger for the win. I just hope he will keep them both and not get crushed by this loss. I really hope he will make it to the final.

General Suburbia
11-14-2006, 03:31 PM
Did Fed really play well?By his standards, no!!!He did nothing with the Roddick serve when it came too Roddick's first servce.He is used too breaking Roddick's serve.
Have you ever seen their matches against each other? Federer never does anything with Roddick's first serve, he always just blocks it back at Roddick. the Duck's S/V was therefore pretty smart.

But then again, I didn't see the match. Anyone care to tell me what's so funny about Roddick's "dunk?"

NYCtennisfan
11-14-2006, 03:31 PM
It seems the only person who doesn't underestimate Andy Roddick is Roger Federer. After he beat Roddick in Cincy last year, Federer said something like, "I'm glad I played well today because I won't always be able to beat him."

Someone who can serve as big as Roddick with that high of a % is always a threat. Federer got plain outplayed in the first set and the Roddick that played those two first sets would've beaten everybody else on tour and quite easily at that.

rofe
11-14-2006, 03:34 PM
Have you ever seen their matches against each other? Federer never does anything with Roddick's first serve, he always just blocks it back at Roddick. the Duck's S/V was therefore pretty smart.

But then again, I didn't see the match. Anyone care to tell me what's so funny about Roddick's "dunk?"

On set point (for Fed) in the second set, Andy tried to get cute with an overhead - like a basketball slam dunk and it sailed long. As a result he lost the second set.

R.Federer
11-14-2006, 03:43 PM
Roger's new best asset showcased here, his incredible mental belief. Unfortunately, I think coupled with andy's lack of belief in the crucial moments, that decided this one
Fed is very lucky on this one, but I think he now senses the real danger andy brings and will up the ante for the next time they play.

R.Federer
11-14-2006, 03:43 PM
Roger's new best asset showcased here, his incredible mental belief. Unfortunately, I think coupled with andy's lack of belief in the crucial moments, that decided this one
Fed is very lucky on this one, but I think he now senses the real danger andy brings and will up the ante for the next time they play.

Monteque
11-14-2006, 03:46 PM
I believe it was Federer's dramatic 5 set loss against Hewitt in Davis Cup which turned that rivalry around. Although it was a tough loss for Roger, Roger went on to beat Hewitt everytime they played following that match. The rivalry now at 11-7 and it was 2-7. Since 03' this is the best Roddick has played period, and his game is constantly improving, and is hardly the best it could be. However, lets remember here Roddick has beaten Fed before, so all this talk about him not being capable is bs anyways because he has before. Today is just a reminder that he can, and that you can't count him out a major and etc vs. Fed. I would like to see how this new S&V style fairs on the grasses of the all England club.
Btw, nice arguement there GM, I see you are a real tennis scholar. Why don't you go back go back to kindergarden it's almost time for milk and cookies.


:haha:
It's funny, huh. Just one closer match for Andy to Fed's game (still, Fed is the winner) and everybody become crazy to compare Fed to Hewitt. Well, Fumus, you are overreacted.

Next time they meet, it will be a reminder that closer and closer match just not enough to beat the 9 GS title holders, whereas himself is just a one wonder GS.

Constantly improving?? Well, you have limited area for that. What Roddick doing now isn't constantly improving but making the vulnerable part of his game to be better or repairing his game. And you seem very confident about Roddick S&V as he had showed in Wimby 2005:mad: , then you'll see on grass, Fed will be the huge neckbreaker for each player who's trying S&V.

nobama
11-14-2006, 03:47 PM
Match:
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a377/jsnash/Misc/stats.jpg

Second set:
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a377/jsnash/Misc/stats1.jpg

R.Federer
11-14-2006, 03:47 PM
Roger's new best asset showcased here, his incredible mental belief. Unfortunately, I think coupled with andy's lack of belief in the crucial moments, that decided this one
Fed is very lucky on this one, but I think he now senses the real danger andy brings and will up the ante for the next time they play.

Magical Trevor
11-14-2006, 03:52 PM
Great effort from Andy, Federer didn't play as well as he could, but I think a lot of that was due to how much Andy was pressing him. He's volleys have improved considerably from the last time I actually watched one of his matches too.

Just a bit unfortunate he couldn't find a first serve on one of the match points, and that he also went for that dunk smash on the set point.

I guess the interesting thing will now be what happens next time they meet. Andy's pushed Roger a couple of times, then been belted not too long after

jazar
11-14-2006, 03:53 PM
roger is jsut giving the fans their money's worth. afterall they only get two matches per day and if rog just annihilates everyone they see even less action.

r2473
11-14-2006, 04:04 PM
I didn't see the match but it looks like it must have been a good one.

I had predicted a Roddick win. Shows what I know.

new-york
11-14-2006, 04:04 PM
:mad:damn.

but nice match Andy, he knows he can do it.

Katastrophe
11-14-2006, 04:11 PM
Great job to pull it out Fed! Congrats to both guys though, this was an exciting one..:)

~*BGT*~
11-14-2006, 04:27 PM
Roger said Roddick has not changed much, when asked about Roddicks game :lol: than PMAC pretty much attacks him for saying it. :retard:

Interesting. That's the complete opposite of what he said a few months ago. :rolleyes:

Q. You've now played Andy Roddick. Do you notice any differences since he's worked with Jimmy Connors?

ROGER FEDERER: I definitely think his serve picked up again. The last time I played him, he was playing well in Cincinnati and Wimbledon, as well. So I didn't play him in that stretch when he had kind of a phase where he didn't play so well.

I think the key to his game is always his serve. He seems more steady off the backhand side than in the past. He maybe plays the percentage a little bit better now. When he comes to the net, his approach shots and everything are a bit better and everything.

So I do feel a bit of an improvement since he's been with Jimmy maybe, yeah.

http://www.usopen.org/en_US/news/interviews/2006-09-10/200609101157954129890.html

mandoura
11-14-2006, 04:31 PM
One word:

:worship: RESPECT :worship:
(for Andy Roddick for sticking to HIS game plan and implementing it almost 99% of the time, for Roger Federer for turning it around when 99% of us thought it really wasn't going to be his day)

:yeah:

Federer was outplayed by Nalbandian in the 1st set (broken 3 times) and Nalbandian was outplayed by Federer in the 2 other sets.

Roddick and Federer played a close match for 3 sets. No one was outplayed. The term outplayed seems to be used everytime Federer plays a close match. Like how Federer was outplayed against Safin in AO.

Only Nalbandian and Nadal has the ability to outplay Federer if you ask me. Roddick has the ability to challenge Federer but never outplay him.

Any great player (Blake, Roddick, Safin, Ljubo, Davy) can win against Federer on their day. However only Nalby and Nadal has the ability to truly outplay him.

However one great player, Hewitt wont ever beat Federer again no matter how bad Fed plays and how good Hewitt plays.

Fed played awesome tennis, Roddick played awesome tennis.

No excuses are needed. I always knew Roddick had it in him to challenge Federer, even if the matchup is bad against Roddick. But to have any chanse he needs to play his absolutely best tennis everytime. Roddick has developed a great defense from the baseline and makes Federer hit many UES. Also Federer had problems reading Roddicks serve.

However I dont think Roddick deserved to win today any more than Federer, I feel sorry for Roddick but Federer played an awesome match, hit almost 60 winners against 40 from Roddick, was really cool after choking in the beginning of the tiebreak.

Too many people talk about choking, Roddick did everything right in the match point on his serve (except not hiting a 1st serve), not to mention some amazing winners to save 3 set points earlier in the set. Federer was just slightly better.

I like you. :D

ChinoRios4Ever
11-14-2006, 04:32 PM
nice comeback rogelio :yeah:

Fumus
11-14-2006, 04:33 PM
:haha:
It's funny, huh. Just one closer match for Andy to Fed's game (still, Fed is the winner) and everybody become crazy to compare Fed to Hewitt. Well, Fumus, you are overreacted.

Next time they meet, it will be a reminder that closer and closer match just not enough to beat the 9 GS title holders, whereas himself is just a one wonder GS.

Constantly improving?? Well, you have limited area for that. What Roddick doing now isn't constantly improving but making the vulnerable part of his game to be better or repairing his game. And you seem very confident about Roddick S&V as he had showed in Wimby 2005:mad: , then you'll see on grass, Fed will be the huge neckbreaker for each player who's trying S&V.

Umm...overreacted. I was just pointing out to another poster, who said that Federer had won so therefore the close scoreline didn't mean anything...and bla bla. Obviously close loses can turn rivalrys around you only need to look at Federer and Hewitt to know that. So, perhaps you overreacted to my post.

R.Federer
11-14-2006, 04:33 PM
Interesting. That's the complete opposite of what he said a few months ago. :rolleyes:

Isn't it possible he means that he hasn't changed much since the USO? :rolleyes:

Fumus
11-14-2006, 04:35 PM
Isn't it possible he means that he hasn't changed much since the USO? :rolleyes:

Umm...Andy didn't come net 40 times in a match once at USO. :o

Dusk Soldier
11-14-2006, 04:36 PM
Btw, nice arguement there GM, I see you are a real tennis scholar. Why don't you go back go back to kindergarden it's almost time for milk and cookies.:spit: I love how you called the exact snack I'm eating right now.

Dupuis2006
11-14-2006, 04:42 PM
:banana::woohoo:

Rafa = Fed Killa
11-14-2006, 04:42 PM
Great work Andy. Keep improving and you'll beat him. I just wish he hadn't choked.

Arrogance must be broken.

R.Federer
11-14-2006, 04:49 PM
Umm...Andy didn't come net 40 times in a match once at USO. :oThat's right. He came in 49 times when he played the final :rolleyes:

(Get your facts at usopen.org)

t0x
11-14-2006, 05:00 PM
Was good from Andy, but he looked predictable in the end. Federer w
as passing him right from the first serve in the third set because he was going outwide so much (2 in a row at one stage).

I think choke is a little unfair on Andy, he gave it everything and Federer wasn't playing too badly at all. He made one mess up on the smash (it was a big mistake though), but other than that he hardley put a foot wrong.

Good match from Federer today too :) Well done to him, he did a great job of keeping cool under pressure and played the match points very well :)

nobama
11-14-2006, 05:02 PM
That's right. He came in 49 times when he played the final :rolleyes:

(Get your facts at usopen.org)
So what, so he's coming in to net A LOT. And Roger was not surprised by that.

nanoman
11-14-2006, 05:05 PM
I've been wondering this for a while...
In the matches I've seen from Fed, he nearly always starts the match serving. Is he just that good at predicting the toss, or do his oppenents allowed him to serve first even if they win the toss ?

R.Federer
11-14-2006, 05:05 PM
So what, so he's coming in to net A LOT. And Roger was not surprised by that.

Huh? You jumped into a discussion between Fumus and me about why Roger said andy has not changed much. Maybe you should read the posts above, because your response to my post is off on a tangent somewhere.

nobama
11-14-2006, 05:42 PM
In his post match interview Fed said: "[Roddick] deserved the match as much as I did today and maybe even a bit more because he was first in the winning position".

wally1
11-14-2006, 05:47 PM
What's funny is that yesterday I found an artical from 2003 praising Roger for being one of the last serve and volley players. Now he never does it. I love his game just wish he would mix it up and play with it a little more.Maybe Roddick's now one of the last serve and volley players?

nobama
11-14-2006, 05:47 PM
Huh? You jumped into a discussion between Fumus and me about why Roger said andy has not changed much. Maybe you should read the posts above, because your response to my post is off on a tangent somewhere.
Sorry, I guess I didn't mean to reply directly to you. I thought Fumus was saying Roddick has changed whereas I think in terms of coming to net he was doing that quite a bit a USO too so it shouldn't have been a surprise to Roger.

R.Federer
11-14-2006, 05:50 PM
Sorry, I guess I didn't mean to reply directly to you. I thought Fumus was saying Roddick has changed whereas I think in terms of coming to net he was doing that quite a bit a USO too so it shouldn't have been a surprise to Roger.

Precisely, Roger's comments after the USO clearly said that andy had indeed changed and "solidified" his bh, serve (if that ever needed solidification), etc. So ROger's now saying that he hasn't changed much seems like a "since I played him last" (USO) kind of statement.

He came in 49 times at the USO. I don't know what fumus is talking about ("he didn't come in more than 40 times in a single match at the USO")

sawan66278
11-14-2006, 05:51 PM
What players need to do is look at how Connors has taught Andy to play against Roger. Andy, I'm sorry, is one of the worst volleyers I have seen in some time...I put him right there with Lendl (and Lendl was my favorite player ever)...Put the pressure on Roger: if he makes the shots, too good...but if you win even 60% of the time, you have a real shot for victory.

El Legenda
11-14-2006, 05:54 PM
PMAC was pissed when roger said roddick didnt change much...:lol:

WhirlyballDerek
11-14-2006, 06:02 PM
I dont think Federer looks at all of Roddicks Matches to determine how he plays. Im sure he watches film of Roddicks most recent matches to see how he is playing now. And based off that Federer felt Roddick hadnt changed his style for this particular match.

GlennMirnyi
11-14-2006, 06:08 PM
That's because you lucky guy don't have to read you own posts.
Why can't you give at least a bit credit to Roger's opponents?

I read yours and they're almost up there.

What credit do you want me to give? Federer had a bad day, that's all. Roddick is far from having any weapon to defeat Federer, and that's why even if you give him 10 mps, Fed will still have the match on his hands.

GlennMirnyi
11-14-2006, 06:10 PM
I believe it was Federer's dramatic 5 set loss against Hewitt in Davis Cup which turned that rivalry around. Although it was a tough loss for Roger, Roger went on to beat Hewitt everytime they played following that match. The rivalry now at 11-7 and it was 2-7. Since 03' this is the best Roddick has played period, and his game is constantly improving, and is hardly the best it could be. However, lets remember here Roddick has beaten Fed before, so all this talk about him not being capable is bs anyways because he has before. Today is just a reminder that he can, and that you can't count him out a major and etc vs. Fed. I would like to see how this new S&V style fairs on the grasses of the all England club.

Btw, nice arguement there GM, I see you are a real tennis scholar. Why don't you go back go back to kindergarden it's almost time for milk and cookies.

You're not very smart, are you? Well, I'll explain it to you, really slowly.

A: Roddick has the weapons to defeat Federer (you say it)
B: Federer wins

Logical statement: Roddick has not the weapons to defeat Federer. Close is nothing in tennis.

merce
11-14-2006, 06:11 PM
Andy :sobbing:

It was so close, it's a real shame.

GlennMirnyi
11-14-2006, 06:12 PM
It seems the only person who doesn't underestimate Andy Roddick is Roger Federer. After he beat Roddick in Cincy last year, Federer said something like, "I'm glad I played well today because I won't always be able to beat him."

Someone who can serve as big as Roddick with that high of a % is always a threat. Federer got plain outplayed in the first set and the Roddick that played those two first sets would've beaten everybody else on tour and quite easily at that.

12-1. Federer always plays well, huh?

GlennMirnyi
11-14-2006, 06:14 PM
Any great player (Blake, Roddick, Safin, Ljubo, Davy) can win against Federer on their day. However only Nalby and Nadal has the ability to truly outplay him.

However one great player, Hewitt wont ever beat Federer again no matter how bad Fed plays and how good Hewitt plays.

Federer has never been outplayed since TMC 2003. That's a fact.

revolution
11-14-2006, 06:16 PM
Federer has never been outplayed since TMC 2003. That's a fact.

IMO Guga totally outplayed him in RG 2004.

r2473
11-14-2006, 06:17 PM
Federer has never been outplayed since TMC 2003. That's a fact.

I think you are sleepy far more than 2% of the time.

rmb6687
11-14-2006, 06:19 PM
:mad: so close...so close. I can't wait to see the match...sounds like it was awesome.

Congrats Andy for putting in the big fight, and almost winning.


Roger...wow. Kudos for not giving up.

GlennMirnyi
11-14-2006, 06:19 PM
IMO Guga totally outplayed him in RG 2004.

Guga played enough to defeat Federer that day. Outplay is too much.

I think you are sleepy far more than 2% of the time.

Then tell me when was he outplayed? I guess you've started watching tennis yesterday.

merce
11-14-2006, 06:21 PM
12-1. Federer always plays well, huh?Roger has great respect for Andy, no matter what the scoreline says he knows Andy can give him a real challenge, like today's match for instance.

Loremaster
11-14-2006, 06:22 PM
Federer has never been outplayed since TMC 2003. That's a fact.

sory dude, but you are talking shit , wasn't outplayed , what a joke - Murray outplayed him like amateur breaking him 7 times in row or something like that, giving him 0% to win match in Cincy, Nadal totally outplayed him in Miami 2004 and Monte Carlo this year ( I know that there were 4 sets, but Federer never looked like winning, the same in FO, after first set whcih was fluke by Nadal, Nadal domited Federer all the time ) Federer is great player teh best right now but he was outplayed many times. try to write somethig logical sometimes

GlennMirnyi
11-14-2006, 06:23 PM
Roger has great respect for Andy, no matter what the scoreline says he knows Andy can give him a real challenge, like today's match for instance.

Do you really think Federer will go out to the press and say: I own Andy?

merce
11-14-2006, 06:24 PM
Do you really think Federer will go out to the press and say: I own Andy?Not really, but he always show a special respect for him, otherwise he simply wouldn't say anything at all.

craighickman
11-14-2006, 06:26 PM
Dear Andy,

The next time you have a match point on your own serve against Roger (and there will be a next time, despite what your detractors say), please do yourself a huge favor: Breathe, slow down, take your time. Breathe, slow down, take your time. If you get a time violation warning, so what. Though I doubt any chair umpire in their right mind would give you one unless you took more than a minute. But you must rememeber to breathe, slow down, take your time. I'll say that one more time in case your heart is still racing: Breathe. Slow down. Take your time. And then hit that big first serve OVER the net and up the T, not into the tape. Okay?


Sincerely,

Your biggest Fan

p.s. And whatever you do, no more showboating down set point. I know you were jacked up, but again, it's about winning, not about trying to look good. Thanks.

(No, I didn't post that as a blog entry, though I might. Instead, I did the match recap and had to stop typing after that tiebreak. I'm still reeling.... Time for another cocktail.)

GlennMirnyi
11-14-2006, 06:27 PM
sory dude, but you are talking shit , wasn't outplayed , what a joke - Murray outplayed him like amateur breaking him 7 times in row or something like that, giving him 0% to win match in Cincy, Nadal totally outplayed him in Miami 2004 and Monte Carlo this year ( I know that there were 4 sets, but Federer never looked like winning, the same in FO, after first set whcih was fluke by Nadal, Nadal domited Federer all the time ) Federer is great player teh best right now but he was outplayed many times. try to write somethig logical sometimes

Try to make some sense before putting it down.

First, Murray never outplayed Federer. That's something that will never happen, Murray hasn't the game to do that. Unless I'm really wrong, the match wasn't 6/1 6/1. Federer tanked because he was tired, period.

Nadal outplayed him in 2004? Well, another showing that you probably don't watch tennis for long. Federer was sick and feverish that day, that's a known fact.

Yeah, Nadal outplayed him in the FO. Was it like 6/1 6/3 6/2? No? Then... ok. Doctors say you shouldn't argue. Sorry.

GlennMirnyi
11-14-2006, 06:27 PM
Not really, but he always show a special respect for him, otherwise he simply wouldn't say anything at all.

Roddick is a good player, but he simply isn't up there with Federer.

nobama
11-14-2006, 06:30 PM
What players need to do is look at how Connors has taught Andy to play against Roger. Andy, I'm sorry, is one of the worst volleyers I have seen in some time...I put him right there with Lendl (and Lendl was my favorite player ever)...Put the pressure on Roger: if he makes the shots, too good...but if you win even 60% of the time, you have a real shot for victory.It's a good tactic but it's not like Roger wouldn't be able to adjust/adapt to it. Not saying guys wouldn't have a better chance at beating him, but if he came across it a lot in his matches he'd do what he needs to to adjust.

merce
11-14-2006, 06:30 PM
Roddick is a good player, but he simply isn't up there with Federer.He had 3 MPs today, I reckon.

Besides, right now Federer is on a league of his own. so your comment doesn't apply just to Andy :nerner: :p

Allez
11-14-2006, 06:30 PM
Oh I missed it. Well done Rogi :worship:

Roddick seems to be getting closer and closer :eek: :eek: :eek: . Next year is going to be very interesting :(

Loremaster
11-14-2006, 06:32 PM
Try to make some sense before putting it down.

First, Murray never outplayed Federer. That's something that will never happen, Murray hasn't the game to do that. Unless I'm really wrong, the match wasn't 6/1 6/1. Federer tanked because he was tired, period.

Nadal outplayed him in 2004? Well, another showing that you probably don't watch tennis for long. Federer was sick and feverish that day, that's a known fact.

Yeah, Nadal outplayed him in the FO. Was it like 6/1 6/3 6/2? No? Then... ok. Doctors say you shouldn't argue. Sorry.


Sorry what is outplayed for you?? For me it is when one player domite completly the other and doesn't give him any chances for vicotory, and yes nadal outplayed him in Miami, sick or not it;s not important , as well Guga he was in total control all the match long,

by your reconing roger have never outplayed anyone form Top10 , yeah very logical, go sleep better, beacuse your posts desn't make any sense at all

Jimnik
11-14-2006, 06:36 PM
Damn it. :banghead: So near yet so far. :o

Very well played by Andy. Just like in many of their previous meetings, Andy matched Federer, except on the crucial points.

But his time will come. :)

GlennMirnyi
11-14-2006, 06:36 PM
He had 3 MPs today, I reckon.

Besides, right now Federer is on a league of his own. so your comment doesn't apply just to Andy :nerner: :p

Did he win? Or have I missed something?

Sorry what is outplayed for you?? For me it is when one player domite completly the other and doesn't give him any chances for vicotory, and yes nadal outplayed him in Miami, sick or not it;s not important , as well Guga he was in total control all the match long,

by your reconing roger have never outplayed anyone form Top10 , yeah very logical, go sleep better, beacuse your posts desn't make any sense at all

Outplay has a strong meaning. Even though Federer has been defeated, he has never played a match where he was simply without any chances.

Well, you must be mad Duck lost. Calm down and come here later.

merce
11-14-2006, 06:38 PM
Did he win? Or have I missed something?
No he didn't, but today he was closer than ever.

GlennMirnyi
11-14-2006, 06:39 PM
No he didn't, but today he was closer than ever.

You know there's not "close" in Tennis. Either you win or you don't.

Loremaster
11-14-2006, 06:42 PM
Did he win? Or have I missed something?



Outplay has a strong meaning. Even though Federer has been defeated, he has never played a match where he was simply without any chances.

Well, you must be mad Duck lost. Calm down and come here later.

hehehehe yeah you are mad because you are blind Fed fan , by outr meaning of outplayed Federe has never outplayed anyone from Top10 or Top15 :cool:

R.Federer
11-14-2006, 06:44 PM
The tally might say 1-12, but so many of these matches have been so close, it's really misleading. Looking at the tally one ends up thinking andy is going to lose the next one as well, but Roger has had to really bring out his best in many of these. I think Roger is very aware he's going to have to be on the attack from the getgo next time they play.

merce
11-14-2006, 06:45 PM
You know there's not "close" in Tennis. Either you win or you don't.you're correct, but this can give him an extra pump for their next match, whenever it'll be played.

Remember he haven't stole a set from Fed since 2003, if I'm not mistaken, until the USO came along and today he even had MPs against him.

Loremaster
11-14-2006, 06:51 PM
you're correct, but this can give him an extra pump for their next match, whenever it'll be played.

Remember he haven't stole a set from Fed since 2003, if I'm not mistaken, until the USO came along and today he even had MPs against him.


He did in 2004 Wimby , this was also fucking great match 6-4 and then comeback from 0-4 to 4-4 in second andy was great in this final, but today even better , I want to see Andy improve more:devil: AO will be great :worship:

GlennMirnyi
11-14-2006, 06:52 PM
hehehehe yeah you are mad because you are blind Fed fan , by outr meaning of outplayed Federe has never outplayed anyone from Top10 or Top15 :cool:

Hewitt was #5 when he got a 6/0 7/6 6/0 beating.
Gonzalez got a 7/5 6/1 6/0
Nalbandian took a 6/4 6/0
Gaudio got a 6/0 6/0
Agassi 6/3 6/1
Roddick lost 6/4 6/0
Nalbandian got a 6/3 6/0

Yeah, Federer never outplayed a top 10.

Come back when you have something to say, stop just making assumptions.

Calm down boy. Roddick will get lucky someday.

Dexter_1986
11-14-2006, 06:53 PM
phew!!! ;) :devil:

congrats Roger! :bigclap: :yeah:
I wish I could watch Masters :sad:

adee-gee
11-14-2006, 06:55 PM
Some of the comments in this thread show how little some people on MTF know about tennis. Is it really that hard to give Roddick some credit?

merce
11-14-2006, 06:57 PM
He did in 2004 Wimby , this was also fucking great match 6-4 and then comeback from 0-4 to 4-4 in second andy was great in this final, but today even better , I want to see Andy improve more:devil: AO will be great :worship:Right, the 2004 Wimby final, that was great indeed. I feel the same way about the AO :devil: :cool:

DrJules
11-14-2006, 06:58 PM
Roger was outplayed for 2 sets. Any doubts about if Roddick has the goods to beat Federer now should be put the rest. I would just like to say to the person who made that poll, with Roddick winning not being an option can basically go fuck themselves after todays match. Annnyyways, good match, alot of positives for Andy, Roger picked it up when he had to but was outplayed for two sets and really had no answer for Roddick aggresive play mixed with slice serves. I look forward to their next meeting. Roddick's game is seemingly improving everytime he steps out on the court. Andy is still a threat for this title and things are looking great for 07'

How did Andy outplay Roger in the second set when Roger had the following advantages:

47 points to 43 points won
3 break points to 1 break point
15 return points won to 10 return points

Which figures gave you the impression that Andy ouplayed Roger?

GlennMirnyi
11-14-2006, 06:59 PM
Some of the comments in this thread show how little some people on MTF know about tennis. Is it really that hard to give Roddick some credit?

Roddick has credit... for nothing. :p

revolution
11-14-2006, 07:00 PM
Roddick has credit... for nothing. :p

Your signature states you are a fan of his. :p

craighickman
11-14-2006, 07:00 PM
Roger:

"I think he played the perfect match for two sets," said Federer, 89-5 this season. "Maybe he lacked one serve in the end, so it was unfortunate for him. I tried my best, it's always hard to control against Andy when he's serving so big like in the first two sets.

"I got a bit lucky in the end. In the third set I was pretty much in control from the start. I'm really, really happy to not be under pressure like he is now."


Andy:

"If I don't believe now, then I never will," the American said of his chances to someday overcome his Swiss nemesis. "I put myself in a position to win tonight.

"With the progress I've made over the last four or five months, I feel like I'm only getting better each time I step out there on the court.

"It's tough right now, bugt it definitely feels like it's on the upswing tonight. I felt I was unlucky not to win this one."

________________________________

Good for Roger to be so gracious. Good for Andy to be so optimistic.

One serve. One fucking serve!

I need another drink.

stebs
11-14-2006, 07:00 PM
Which figures gave you the impression that Andy ouplayed Roger?

These ones:

Fumus is a fan of:

Roddick - YES
Federer - NO

This is all you need to look at to answer your question. :)

Roddick played a great match and to some extent he deserved to win but the W is what counts and Roger pulled it out like he does so often. A true champion. :)

Dancing Hero
11-14-2006, 07:01 PM
Props to Roddick, he pushed Federer a lot harder than expected and held match points, so close. But once again, the dastardly Fed Man escapes his clutches!:)
Roddick seems to be on the way back up though.

Loremaster
11-14-2006, 07:02 PM
Hewitt was #5 when he got a 6/0 7/6 6/0 beating.
Gonzalez got a 7/5 6/1 6/0
Nalbandian took a 6/4 6/0
Gaudio got a 6/0 6/0
Agassi 6/3 6/1
Roddick lost 6/4 6/0
Nalbandian got a 6/3 6/0

Yeah, Federer never outplayed a top 10.

Come back when you have something to say, stop just making assumptions.

Calm down boy. Roddick will get lucky someday.

Gonzalez 7/5 it is not a outplay
Hewiit 7/6 is not a outplay
Agassi 6/3 6/1 is not a outplay
Roddick was injured in this match sorry
Nalbadnian 6/3, and other match 6/4 is an outplay, soory you sad so thaht something like 6:1 6:1 is an outplay

only Gaudio but he wasn't a real Yop10 player, sorry dude but you are not right ,
6/4 6/4 6/4 by Guga was an outplay on clay , I won't admit that Federer outplayed anybadoy ecxept guadio , if you doesn't
I see that you do not understand that being outplayed is not about score, but maybe you aren't smart enought and you see only numbers as examples of level of play , every tennis fan and player could tell you that you can be outplayed at score 6-4 6-4 and ypu can't loosing soemthing like 6-1 6-3 every match have it's history and numbers do not show it , but wouldn't be suprised if you care only about numbers , beacuse you act like small baby who see only letters but can't read a word

craighickman
11-14-2006, 07:02 PM
How did Andy outplay Roger in the second set when Roger had the following advantages:

47 points to 43 points won
3 break points to 1 break point
15 return points won to 10 return points

Which figures gave you the impression that Andy ouplayed Roger?

Since when do stats tell the complete story of a set or a match? They don't.

But, hey, I know how difficult it is to admit that Precious Roger could ever be outplayed at any time during a match by any player.

Have another toke.

GlennMirnyi
11-14-2006, 07:03 PM
Your signature states you are a fan of his. :p

I am, but he lost. What's so difficult to understand?

GlennMirnyi
11-14-2006, 07:04 PM
Gonzalez 7/5 it is not a outplay
Hewiit 7/6 is not a outplay
Agassi 6/3 6/1 is not a outplay
Roddick was injured in this match sorry
Nalbadnian 6/3, and other match 6/4 is an outplay, soory you sad so thaht something like 6:1 6:1 is an outplay

only Gaudio but he wasn't a real Yop10 player, sorry dude but you are not right ,
6/4 6/4 6/4 by Guga was an outplay on clay , I won't admit that Federer outplayed anybadoy ecxept guadio , if you doesn't
I see that you do not understand that being outplayed is not about score, but maybe you aren't smart enought and you see only numbers as examples of level of play , every tennis fan and player could tell you that you can be outplayed at score 6-4 6-4 and ypu can't loosing soemthing like 6-1 6-3 every match have it's history and numbers do not show it , but wouldn't be suprised if you care only about numbers , beacuse you act like small baby who see only letters but can't read a word

Bagles aren't outplay. Ook. I won't discuss with you, you're embarassing yourself with such statements.

revolution
11-14-2006, 07:04 PM
I am, but he lost. What's so difficult to understand?

You just seem to be dissing him a bit. :p

Loremaster
11-14-2006, 07:05 PM
Right, the 2004 Wimby final, that was great indeed. I feel the same way about the AO :devil: :cool:


Yeah I can't wait with Roddick in the best form, Nadal rested, Federer, Gonzalez inform and ypung guns like Gasquet, Djokovic, Murrat pushing hard it could be the best slam of 2007 , and I have feeling that it won't be Federer who wins this one (his is always a little worse at the begining of year )

GlennMirnyi
11-14-2006, 07:07 PM
You just seem to be dissing him a bit. :p

I'm not dissing nobody. The thing is people think Roddick won. Unless Grilotti was the umpire, I guess Federer was the winner.

stebs
11-14-2006, 07:07 PM
Since when do stats tell the complete story of a set or a match? They don't.

But, hey, I know how difficult it is to admit that Precious Roger could ever be outplayed at any time during a match by any player.

Have another toke.

I don't think so. I agree that for sure stats don't tell the whole story of matches and I can admit myself that Roddick outplayed Roger in the first set today. However, points won IS a stat that is relevant to who outplayed who or whatever. If you win more points than your opponent over a stretch of time it really is a pretty good way of showing that you didn't get outplayed.

DrJules
11-14-2006, 07:11 PM
Since when do stats tell the complete story of a set or a match? They don't.

But, hey, I know how difficult it is to admit that Precious Roger could ever be outplayed at any time during a match by any player.

Have another toke.

I was disputing the assertion on the 2nd set NOT 1st set. Fumus stated BOTH sets were dominated by Andy Roddick.

Fumus
11-14-2006, 07:14 PM
How did Andy outplay Roger in the second set when Roger had the following advantages:

47 points to 43 points won
3 break points to 1 break point
15 return points won to 10 return points

Which figures gave you the impression that Andy ouplayed Roger?

Improving Roddick rues his missed chance
Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:00 PM GMT

By Nick Mulvenney

SHANGHAI, Nov 14 (Reuters) - Andy Roddick's grim face betrayed his frustration after he came up short despite holding three match points against Roger Federer at the Masters Cup on Tuesday.

The 24-year-old American served efficiently and volleyed effectively to come within an ace of breaking a seven-match losing streak against the Swiss world number one.

"It's just frustrating," he said. "You know, I was real close tonight. I think that makes it a little bit harder, knowing you're one of your best shots away, you know, one serve away. That's not easy."

The former U.S. Open champion and world number one, who has beaten only one top 10 player this year, gave short shrift to a reporter who questioned the effectiveness of his tactics in the 4-6 7-6 6-4 defeat in a Red Group match.

"I put myself in the position one point away, and you're saying my serve and volley strategy didn't work?" he said. "I suggest learning something about tennis before you comment on it."

Roddick said his disappointment was tempered by the clear improvement in his game since he has been working with eight-times grand slam singles champion Jimmy Connors.

"You know, right now with the progress I've made over the last four or five months, I feel like I'm only getting better each time I step out there on the court," he said.

"It's tough right now, you know. But at the same time I remember where I was four or five months ago as far as my career. It definitely feels like it's on the upswing tonight.

"For the first time in a while, I'm not getting further away," he added.

Roddick said he would be encouraged by coming so close to ending Federer's 25-match winning streak. "I played well enough to win tonight," he said. "Let's not let that be lost ... I felt like I was the better player for two sets.

"If I can keep building on that, keep improving at the rate that I have over the last four or five months, then hopefully we can get over that last little hump, that last little point.

"If I don't believe after tonight, then there's a problem," he added.

adee-gee
11-14-2006, 07:14 PM
How come Roger 'I can read Roddick's serve with ease' Federer was struggling to get close to his serve in the first 2 sets :scratch:

Fumus
11-14-2006, 07:15 PM
I was disputing the assertion on the 2nd set NOT 1st set. Fumus stated BOTH sets were dominated by Andy Roddick.

Perhaps, even the players are wrong you are right, I mean afterall they played it and you just watched it on tv...but what does Andy know right?

stebs
11-14-2006, 07:17 PM
Improving Roddick rues his missed chance
Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:00 PM GMT

By Nick Mulvenney

SHANGHAI, Nov 14 (Reuters) - Andy Roddick's grim face betrayed his frustration after he came up short despite holding three match points against Roger Federer at the Masters Cup on Tuesday.

The 24-year-old American served efficiently and volleyed effectively to come within an ace of breaking a seven-match losing streak against the Swiss world number one.

"It's just frustrating," he said. "You know, I was real close tonight. I think that makes it a little bit harder, knowing you're one of your best shots away, you know, one serve away. That's not easy."

The former U.S. Open champion and world number one, who has beaten only one top 10 player this year, gave short shrift to a reporter who questioned the effectiveness of his tactics in the 4-6 7-6 6-4 defeat in a Red Group match.

"I put myself in the position one point away, and you're saying my serve and volley strategy didn't work?" he said. "I suggest learning something about tennis before you comment on it."

Roddick said his disappointment was tempered by the clear improvement in his game since he has been working with eight-times grand slam singles champion Jimmy Connors.

"You know, right now with the progress I've made over the last four or five months, I feel like I'm only getting better each time I step out there on the court," he said.

"It's tough right now, you know. But at the same time I remember where I was four or five months ago as far as my career. It definitely feels like it's on the upswing tonight.

"For the first time in a while, I'm not getting further away," he added.

Roddick said he would be encouraged by coming so close to ending Federer's 25-match winning streak. "I played well enough to win tonight," he said. "Let's not let that be lost ... I felt like I was the better player for two sets.

"If I can keep building on that, keep improving at the rate that I have over the last four or five months, then hopefully we can get over that last little hump, that last little point.

"If I don't believe after tonight, then there's a problem," he added.


:lol: So what?

I can just as easily say that I am the best tennis player in the world. Does it make it true? Of course not. I'm sure Andy did feel that he was the better player for two sets but I bet Roger also thought that he was the better player for 2 sets. Almost all sportsmen have great belief, I am guessing most of them will think they are the better player in a close match.

stebs
11-14-2006, 07:19 PM
How come Roger 'I can read Roddick's serve with ease' Federer was struggling to get close to his serve in the first 2 sets :scratch:

Because no-one can consistently return 140 MPH serves which keep coming in on the big points. A lot of respect for Andy for how he served at the big moments today. Just a shame for him that he couldn't pull out a service winner at the biggest moment.

adee-gee
11-14-2006, 07:26 PM
Because no-one can consistently return 140 MPH serves which keep coming in on the big points. A lot of respect for Andy for how he served at the big moments today. Just a shame for him that he couldn't pull out a service winner at the biggest moment.
But Federer is a tennis god :awww:

craighickman
11-14-2006, 07:27 PM
I was disputing the assertion on the 2nd set NOT 1st set. Fumus stated BOTH sets were dominated by Andy Roddick.

I realize that.But from where I sit, those stats you allude to don't tell the complete story because Roddick STILL outplayed Federer in the second set. We can focus on the missed serve at 6-5 all we want, but I think Roddick really lost the match at 4-1 when he had two serves and missed an easy forehand wide. He holds those two serves, he's ahead 6-1. He doesn't lose from there, I don't care how tight he gets.

Anyway, it's water under the bridge already.

I'm just happy Roddick realizes he can take something positive out of it.

I'm not there yet.

GlennMirnyi
11-14-2006, 07:28 PM
But Federer is a tennis god :awww:

The first part of the process is to acknowledge. Good work Adam, you're progressing... :lol:

adee-gee
11-14-2006, 07:30 PM
The first part of the process is to acknowledge. Good work Adam, you're progressing... :lol:
I'm slightly puzzled that the tennis god was within a point of losing to a one dimensional duck. It just doesn't make sense :awww:

merce
11-14-2006, 07:31 PM
Yeah I can't wait with Roddick in the best form, Nadal rested, Federer, Gonzalez inform and ypung guns like Gasquet, Djokovic, Murrat pushing hard it could be the best slam of 2007 , and I have feeling that it won't be Federer who wins this one (his is always a little worse at the begining of year )Yeah, maybe Federer will have bigger challenges next year. It'll be fun for the sport :yeah:.

craighickman
11-14-2006, 07:31 PM
Here's a thought: If Roddick defeats Nalbandian in straights (possible) and Ljubicic defeats Federer in three (also possible) Federer isn't guaranteed a spot in the semifinals since three players will be tied at 2-1, but Roddick will have the best record in sets W-L.

In this scenario Roddick will be 5-3, and Federer and Ljube tied at 5-4.

Discuss.

Kip
11-14-2006, 07:33 PM
Here's a thought: If Roddick defeats Nalbandian in straights (possible) and Ljubicic defeats Federer in three (also possible) Federer isn't guaranteed a spot in the semifinals since three players will be tied at 2-1, but Roddick will have the best record in sets W-L.

In this scenario Roddick will be 5-3, and Federer and Ljube tied at 5-4.

Discuss.


Roger will beat Ivan.

End of Discussion.

BTW, http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=90357

:cool:

Apemant
11-14-2006, 07:35 PM
Because no-one can consistently return 140 MPH serves which keep coming in on the big points. A lot of respect for Andy for how he served at the big moments today. Just a shame for him that he couldn't pull out a service winner at the biggest moment.

I see Connors in this new & improved serve of his. He used to just hit the ball as hard as he can, no matter where it lands, and Fed had no troubles returning that with a simple block of his racquet. But now, against both Ivan and Fed, he served with less speed, but with greatly improved precision (and less readable toss I guess). Reminded me of Goran (the serve, not the overall game) these last two matches, he was aiming for corners (and hitting them) most of the time. It is unbelievably hard to return such serves, and even if you do, it will probably be an easy target for Andy's volley.
Also, I felt he really improved his sense of the right time to go to the net (didn't just rush it blindly as aforementioned Goran used to do, much to my dismay :devil:). Finally, he became much more agressive, with some sort of 'controlled fury' kind of thing :cool: , cunningly waiting for the right moment to attack. I must say I enjoy watching this new Andy, props to him (and Connors).

GlennMirnyi
11-14-2006, 07:35 PM
I'm slightly puzzled that the tennis god was within a point of losing to a one dimensional duck. It just doesn't make sense :awww:

Who won? ;)

adee-gee
11-14-2006, 07:37 PM
Who won? ;)
Do you think maybe Federer did it on purpose? To give the fans some excitement he let Roddick get close? :awww:

Teach me, oh master :awww:

R.Federer
11-14-2006, 07:38 PM
Why can't we just call it like it was.... Roger was really lucky to escape here. Andy played very well and it was on his racket. He just seemed to not have the belief at the end and Roger's mental strength being down MP's so many times saw him through.
Andy didn't give up in Set 3, although the letdown from the TB must have implicitly taken its toll. Based on their past history, it's not clear whether Andy comes back stronger or not next time they meet.

R.Federer
11-14-2006, 07:40 PM
Here's a thought: If Roddick defeats Nalbandian in straights (possible) and Ljubicic defeats Federer in three (also possible) Federer isn't guaranteed a spot in the semifinals since three players will be tied at 2-1, but Roddick will have the best record in sets W-L.

In this scenario Roddick will be 5-3, and Federer and Ljube tied at 5-4.

Discuss.

This way, to the thread where this is already being discussed:

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=90357

Fumus
11-14-2006, 07:51 PM
:lol: So what?

I can just as easily say that I am the best tennis player in the world. Does it make it true? Of course not. I'm sure Andy did feel that he was the better player for two sets but I bet Roger also thought that he was the better player for 2 sets. Almost all sportsmen have great belief, I am guessing most of them will think they are the better player in a close match.

You are not a former number 1 player in the world. People don't listen to you, that's why you post in a forum. ;)

I believe Federer made a similar comment...although I don't think he would say he was outplayed for 2 sets he said "Roddick played perfectly for 2 sets"...umm yea stebs and DrJules...so basically you have your opinion on this one which is fine but both the players agree with me. :D :D

nobama
11-14-2006, 07:58 PM
I don't think anyone is saying Roddick didn't play well in the second set. But did he outplay Roger? I don't think so. I think he played better in the first set, Roger in the third and they were about even in the second. I'm not sure why it matters. Bottom line iis Roddick came as close as he has been in a long time to beating Federer. If he keeps playing like he did today one of these close matches will go his way. It's only a matter of time.

Fumus
11-14-2006, 08:01 PM
I don't think anyone is saying Roddick didn't play well in the second set. But did he outplay Roger? I don't think so. I think he played better in the first set, Roger in the third and they were about even in the second. I'm not sure why it matters. Bottom line iis Roddick came as close as he has been in a long time to beating Federer. If he keeps playing like he did today one of these close matches will go his way. It's only a matter of time.

YESS! Thank you. :)

rofe
11-14-2006, 08:01 PM
:lol: So what?

I can just as easily say that I am the best tennis player in the world. Does it make it true? Of course not. I'm sure Andy did feel that he was the better player for two sets but I bet Roger also thought that he was the better player for 2 sets. Almost all sportsmen have great belief, I am guessing most of them will think they are the better player in a close match.

Nothing wrong with getting pumped up about getting close. It is a subjective assessment so why does it bother you? :scratch:

cmurray
11-14-2006, 08:03 PM
I thought Andy played marginally better than Roger in the 2nd. He should have won that match. But he didn't - hopefully that fires him up for the next time. Good thing I have Tivo. I couldn't bear to watch that 2nd set tiebreak. yikes.

Fumus
11-14-2006, 08:03 PM
Nothing wrong with getting pumped up about getting close. It is a subjective assessment so why does it bother you? :scratch:

Not really subjective when Fed echoed the same sediments.

rofe
11-14-2006, 08:11 PM
Not really subjective when Fed echoed the same sediments.

Fed was just being polite. ;)

stebs
11-14-2006, 08:20 PM
YESS! Thank you. :)

You agree with this but not with me. The same point is being made so make up your mind about what you think. Yes, Roddick played great for two sets. Yes, Roddick outplayed Federer in the first set. No, Roddick did not outplay Federer in the second set and NO, Federer did not say that.

You are attempting to draw on evidence that doesn't exist. Federer never said Roddick was the better player in the second set.

stebs
11-14-2006, 08:23 PM
You are not a former number 1 player in the world. People don't listen to you, that's why you post in a forum. ;)

I believe Federer made a similar comment...although I don't think he would say he was outplayed for 2 sets he said "Roddick played perfectly for 2 sets"...umm yea stebs and DrJules...so basically you have your opinion on this one which is fine but both the players agree with me. :D :D

It doesn't matter if I am king of the world or if I live in a dumpster. Federer did not make similar statements. Roddick played great for two sets, he said something along the lines of that as it says in your post. So basically Fumus you have your opinion but your attempting to twist a direct quote which you are clearly going to be called on so why bother doing it. Surely you must know that you have no grounds for an argument to those ends based on what Federer said.

Fumus
11-14-2006, 08:30 PM
It doesn't matter if I am king of the world or if I live in a dumpster. Federer did not make similar statements. Roddick played great for two sets, he said something along the lines of that as it says in your post. So basically Fumus you have your opinion but your attempting to twist a direct quote which you are clearly going to be called on so why bother doing it. Surely you must know that you have no grounds for an argument to those ends based on what Federer said.

Listen I don't know how things work in the dumpster but, in the rest of the world you go by the people with the first hand experiences and not the dumpster people. I believe I prefaced Fed's quote by saying he would never admit to being outplayed but this is as close to it as it comes, I think Federer said in his post match that Roddick deserved to win it, it was a shame, Roddick was controlling the play for two sets, and that he was one serve away. C'mon, I don't have to twist anything.

I agree with that Mirkaland on another point in this thread.

mangoes
11-14-2006, 08:34 PM
You agree with this but not with me. The same point is being made so make up your mind about what you think. Yes, Roddick played great for two sets. Yes, Roddick outplayed Federer in the first set. No, Roddick did not outplay Federer in the second set and NO, Federer did not say that.
You are attempting to draw on evidence that doesn't exist. Federer never said Roddick was the better player in the second set.

I agree with you Stebs............that about sums up what happened:D In the third set, I think Roger outplayed Roddick.

ESPN should be replaying the match. Can someone type out Roger's interview to settle this. Because I don't remember Roger saying the stuff that is being claimed in this thread.

adee-gee
11-14-2006, 08:43 PM
Can someone type out Roger's interview to settle this.
Yes :)

Q: How did you think Roddick played today?
Roger Federer: I think he is a joke (laughing).....no I'm serious, I think he is a joke.

Q: Did you try to lose this match on purpose to avoid Nadal in the Semi Final?
Roger Federer: Yes.

Q: Who do you feel is the real no.2?
Roger Federer: Me. Rafael deserves to be no.1

There we have it folks :eek:

craighickman
11-14-2006, 08:48 PM
Roger will beat Ivan.

End of Discussion.

BTW, http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=90357

:cool:

End of discussion, huh?

I was told the worshippers on this board were like Adventists. Guess my source was credible.

:devil:

Thanks for the link.

craighickman
11-14-2006, 08:53 PM
You agree with this but not with me. The same point is being made so make up your mind about what you think. Yes, Roddick played great for two sets. Yes, Roddick outplayed Federer in the first set. No, Roddick did not outplay Federer in the second set and NO, Federer did not say that.

You are attempting to draw on evidence that doesn't exist. Federer never said Roddick was the better player in the second set.

But he did say: "He had me in that tiebreak. It should've went his way. Lucky for me but unfortunately for him he missed that serve."

R.Federer
11-14-2006, 08:54 PM
I thought Andy played marginally better than Roger in the 2nd.

Second set seemd more or less even to me.

In terms of stats, Roger won more points, had better 1st serve %, better 2nd serve %, better 1st serve return %, better 2nd serve return %, fewer double faults, and as many aces. And, he won the second set. So even though it seemed even to me, I guess it's hard to see how andy is the one that seems to you the marginally better player in the 2nd.

safinalium
11-14-2006, 08:55 PM
nice fight, andy. you're on the right track. :yeah:

Fumus
11-14-2006, 08:58 PM
Yes :)

Q: How did you think Roddick played today?
Roger Federer: I think he is a joke (laughing).....no I'm serious, I think he is a joke.

Q: Did you try to lose this match on purpose to avoid Nadal in the Semi Final?
Roger Federer: Yes.

Q: Who do you feel is the real no.2?
Roger Federer: Me. Rafael deserves to be no.1

There we have it folks :eek:

:haha: :haha::worship: :worship:

marcRD
11-14-2006, 09:02 PM
Federer has never been outplayed since TMC 2003. That's a fact.

Not during an entire match, no player has the energy to play their absolutely best tennis for a whole match. But Nadal usualy totaly outplays Federer for 2 sets on clay, while Nalbandian usualy outplays Federer for 1 set and lose the match (usualy the 1st set). Exception is ofcourse masters cup final 2005 which was one of the weirdest finals I have seen no matter if Federer was ill or not.

All I know is that no one outplays Federer on grass.

Naranoc
11-14-2006, 09:02 PM
Yes :)

Q: How did you think Roddick played today?
Roger Federer: I think he is a joke (laughing).....no I'm serious, I think he is a joke.

Q: Did you try to lose this match on purpose to avoid Nadal in the Semi Final?
Roger Federer: Yes.

Q: Who do you feel is the real no.2?
Roger Federer: Me. Rafael deserves to be no.1

There we have it folks :eek:

:haha: :haha:

The 'I think he's a joke' quote will live on :worship:

musefanatic
11-14-2006, 09:03 PM
Amazing win Roger, so close for Andy, i bet he thought he'd even got it at one point :) So gald i put all my money on Roger at this moment in time, wish i could see these matches though :sad:

DrJules
11-14-2006, 09:10 PM
Second set seemd more or less even to me.

In terms of stats, Roger won more points, had better 1st serve %, better 2nd serve %, better 1st serve return %, better 2nd serve return %, fewer double points, and as many aces. And, he won the second set. So even though it seemed even to me, I guess it's hard to see how andy is the one that seems to you the marginally better player in the 2nd.

That is what you see if you watch the match.

Both hold comfortably to 2-2.

Federer saves break point to lead 3-2.

Both hold comfortably until Federer leads 5-4 on serve.

Roddick saves 3 set points at 4-5 down, but none sequential. 1 saved with serve and 2 with forehand winners.

Both then hold comfortably to 6-6.

Roddick has 2 match points in tie-break at 6-4 and saves 1st with forehand passing shot on Roddick serve.

Federer has 4th set point at 7-6 which Roddick saves with serve.

Roddick has 3rd match point at 8-7 which Federer saves with serve.

Federer finally wins set on 5th set point at 9-8.

The reason Roddick is seen to dominate the 2nd set is because having won the 1st set his set points are match points while Federer's are just set points.

If that is either player dominating the 2nd set then I must have watched the wrong match.

R.Federer
11-14-2006, 09:15 PM
If that is either player dominating the 2nd set then I must have watched the wrong match.
Yes, that's what I wrote, too-- seemed more or less even to me (despite Federer's better or equal stats in all departments).

partygirl
11-14-2006, 09:21 PM
:timebomb:

yomeK
11-14-2006, 09:22 PM
This match is on right now in Florida!!!! :bounce: 6-4 4-5 Rod :cool: Fed!!! :D :bounce: I knew Roddick would have come out swiging!! :angel:

adee-gee
11-14-2006, 09:24 PM
This match is on right now in Florida!!!! :bounce: 6-4 4-5 Rod :cool: Fed!!! :D :bounce: I knew Roddick would have come out swiging!! :angel:
Maybe in Florida they might show Andy hitting an ace at 6-4 in the tie break :bounce:

rmb6687
11-14-2006, 09:28 PM
End of discussion, huh?

I was told the worshippers on this board were like Adventists. Guess my source was credible.

:devil:

Thanks for the link.

hAHAHAH what's wrong with adventists?

kronus12
11-14-2006, 09:29 PM
Geez you rafatards and fed haters get over yourself you losers bottom line fed won and andy lost.
Great match alot of improvement on andy's game, if he played anyone else he would've won easily no doubt about that.
Fed wasn't himself andy surprised him with his aggresive play and it took fed at least two sets to control the match.
Unlucky for andy in the tiebreaker he just needed that one serve but the pressure fed put on him was too much.
And Pmac should just stop being a biased american andy played fed the same way he did in the USopen and fed quote about his play was right on.
And Loremaster can you just stop posting some of the shit you're going on about just not make sense you sound like adee-gee full of shit.
And Fumus check the stats fed outplayed roddick for the last two sets or was i watching the wrong game, but then coming from a rafatard fan you guys come up with any shit to make you feel better right.

craighickman
11-14-2006, 09:32 PM
Geez you rafatards and fed haters get over yourself you losers bottom line fed won and andy lost.
Great match alot of improvement on andy's game, if he played anyone else he would've won easily no doubt about that.
Fed wasn't himself andy surprised him with his aggresive play and it took fed at least two sets to control the match.
Unlucky for andy in the tiebreaker he just needed that one serve but the pressure fed put on him was too much.
And Pmac should just stop being a biased american andy played fed the same way he did in the USopen and fed quote about his play was right on.
And Loremaster can you just stop posting some of the shit you're going on about just not make sense you sound like adee-gee full of shit.
And Fumus check the stats fed outplayed roddick for the last two sets or was i watching the wrong game, but then coming from a rafatard fan you guys come up with any shit to make you feel better right.

Can I have some of what you're smoking. If Fed wasn't himself then who was he? He played a great match from first point to last and at least he can admit that he was lucky to get the win because Roddick also played great. In Federer's own words "I did my best". So who's kidding whom?

TroilusCriseyde
11-14-2006, 09:34 PM
It is clear that Federer was out played by Roddick thru most of the match.
He won by sheer luck.

craighickman
11-14-2006, 09:35 PM
hAHAHAH what's wrong with adventists?

I wrote a book about Adventists. I didn't say anything was "wrong" with them. But perhaps you know something I don't.

rmb6687
11-14-2006, 09:41 PM
I wrote a book about Adventists. I didn't say anything was "wrong" with them. But perhaps you know something I don't.

no, i am one. :)

rofe
11-14-2006, 09:51 PM
Yes :)

Q: How did you think Roddick played today?
Roger Federer: I think he is a joke (laughing).....no I'm serious, I think he is a joke.

Q: Did you try to lose this match on purpose to avoid Nadal in the Semi Final?
Roger Federer: Yes.

Q: Who do you feel is the real no.2?
Roger Federer: Me. Rafael deserves to be no.1

There we have it folks :eek:

Andy Roddick interview:

Q: So what happened with that overhead today Andy?
Andy Roddick: Too big.

Q: Excuse me?
Andy Roddick: I threw the kitchen sink at him, but he went to the bathroom and got a tub.

Q: What? How...
Andy Roddick: I suggest learning something about tennis before you comment on it.

Ahem. :shrug: :nerner:

adee-gee
11-14-2006, 10:03 PM
:haha: not bad :hatoff:

Galathea
11-14-2006, 10:06 PM
One question, because there was a thread about it and was deleted or at least I can't find it now....
Do we have now a "fat Andy" version... because as at least three people in that thread pointed out, every time the guy lifted his shirt to dry his sweat and prominent belly could've seen. Not to mention that it looked like jellow.... you know, flufly.
I think the original poster was a person that's actually in Shangai and also saw him in person.

cmurray
11-14-2006, 10:11 PM
One question, because there was a thread about it and was deleted or at least I can't find it now....
Do we have now a "fat Andy" version... because as at least three people in that thread pointed out, every time the guy lifted his shirt to dry his sweat and prominent belly could've seen. Not to mention that it looked like jellow.... you know, flufly.
I think the original poster was a person that's actually in Shangai and also saw him in person.

I wish Rafa would lift his shirt to dry his sweat. :lick:

No prominent belly on Raf.

tennisrocks123
11-14-2006, 10:11 PM
Roddick played well. gave Fed a better test than I thought,,

Yay Roger! 12-1 now against Roddick.

wow. that "overhead" in the last point of the tiebreak- okay Andy...

nobama
11-14-2006, 10:12 PM
YESS! Thank you. :)NP. I don't understand why it matters which player was better in the second set. Over the entire match I think they were quite even. Though I was surprised Andy had 25 ue's in the match. It didn't seem like he was making that many errors.