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RR Day 2: James Blake def Rafael Nadal 6-4 7-6(0)

Andre♥
11-13-2006, 12:07 PM
Blake came to the net a lot and that wasnt good.

Nadal could barely serve in the end!

silverwhite
11-13-2006, 12:07 PM
Woah! :D

silverarrows
11-13-2006, 12:07 PM
Well done James! :cool: Very tight 2nd set indeed.

TennisGrandSlam
11-13-2006, 12:08 PM
2nd set comeback from 0-3 to 7-5 :devil:

Billabong
11-13-2006, 12:08 PM
James:woohoo: The tiebreak:eek: Well done man:banana:

landoud
11-13-2006, 12:08 PM
congrats J :)

BORO77
11-13-2006, 12:09 PM
Nice win:worship: $$$$ nice odds:)

~EMiLiTA~
11-13-2006, 12:09 PM
congrats to james, although i am sad for rafa

but when james is running hot, he's really running hot. i haven't seen the match yet as we get a delayed telecast here :( but look forward to watching it. i am starting to wonder whether rafa will even make it to the semis now

bokehlicious
11-13-2006, 12:09 PM
Congrats James, great news :yeah:

CooCooCachoo
11-13-2006, 12:10 PM
:woohoo:

oz_boz
11-13-2006, 12:10 PM
Nadal blew a 4-0 lead in the second :eek: lots of missed opportunities in that set by both BTW

Pfloyd
11-13-2006, 12:10 PM
Damn, Rafa's confidence is near 0 at the moment.

Billabong
11-13-2006, 12:10 PM
5 threads about this match:lol:

mickymouse
11-13-2006, 12:11 PM
Never thought that Blake would be able to come back from 2 breaks down.

Blue Heart24
11-13-2006, 12:11 PM
:speakles: Wasn't Rafa up 4-0 or something in the second set? :o

He was 4-0 up,and serving for the set at 5-4! :haha: 7-0 tb!Nice choke Rafa!! :banana: :banana: :music: :rocker2: :yawn: :dance:

landoud
11-13-2006, 12:11 PM
H2H 3-0 For Mr. J :worship:

Peacemaster
11-13-2006, 12:11 PM
I am officially now a Blakehead. Well done.

Voo de Mar
11-13-2006, 12:11 PM
:bigclap: Well done James! He was playing an awesome tennis :bounce:
Back from 0:4 against Nadal :eek: :banana:
The previous time Nadal lost set after wasting two breaks advantage in Lyon 2003 - he had 5:1 in the 2nd set against Hrbaty and lost 3-6, 5-7. Great match to watch :)

Rogiman
11-13-2006, 12:11 PM
He will not make it to the SF, Kolya will beat him too :D

oschemi
11-13-2006, 12:12 PM
Damn, Rafa's confidence is near 0 at the moment.

Still cant believe he lost the second set. This will kill whatever confidence he has left, so sad

Argenbrit
11-13-2006, 12:12 PM
Blake=Rafakilla :bounce:

Well done, James. :yeah:

DDrago2
11-13-2006, 12:12 PM
YES!!

Blake is Nadal's Master! He dominates him so convincigly, even 4:0 lead wasn't enough for Nadal to take the set! ANd then beaten to love in the tie-break...

Berdych + Blake = Raffa Hell!

~EMiLiTA~
11-13-2006, 12:12 PM
5 threads about this match:lol:

hahaha yeah i was just gonna say that! talk about the fight to be the first to post the news!! mods will have some merging to do

maldini
11-13-2006, 12:13 PM
what a match....!!
much better than the federer - nalbandian although....
and i'm happy for blake, rafa just isn't as good as he was before and i wonder if he'll ever be that strong again....

nanoman
11-13-2006, 12:13 PM
Nadal, you fool, James is handing the 2nd set to you, why don't you take it ?!

What happened to his serve ? Totalling non-threatening at all.

WF4EVER
11-13-2006, 12:13 PM
From 0-4 in the set to 7-0 in the tie-break. OMG! James! James! James! Well, done.

And not on American soil, either! LMFAOROTF.

nobama
11-13-2006, 12:13 PM
Congrat's James. :banana: Nadal certainly having a confidence problem right now. Being up 4-0 in the second set and then losing it by going 0-7 in the tb? Wow. :eek:

mtw
11-13-2006, 12:13 PM
Congratulations to James. Very good. Good luck in the tour.

TennisGrandSlam
11-13-2006, 12:15 PM
Blake = Rafakilla :devil:


Rafa's Heavy Top Spin cannot overcome Blake Flat Return. :rolleyes:

Pfloyd
11-13-2006, 12:15 PM
Yeah, I mean that was probably the key of the Match, Nadals serve was complete crap after being ahead 4-0...

Exodus
11-13-2006, 12:15 PM
now nadal is most probably out of this tourny i can see davy beating him as well.

Blake! you own nadal lol

Xristos
11-13-2006, 12:15 PM
well done james.

lshdure
11-13-2006, 12:16 PM
Wow! what a backhand from JB. Come back from 0:4 in the 2nd set. i think Ndl is not sure about himself anymore. He doesn't have any authority even when he has insurrance break. Even when he breaks back getting 5:4 lead, he couldn't close out the set with his service game. And 7:0 at tiebreak.
For me, NADAL became "nadal."

oz_boz
11-13-2006, 12:16 PM
Blake :hatoff:
Rafa :sad: That 2nd set, gosh...if Blake wasn't inside your head before he definitely is now.

Chrisie
11-13-2006, 12:16 PM
Wow, four threads!!

JustmeUK
11-13-2006, 12:17 PM
it was tight for both sets. but james just had the shots when they were needed. he played a beautiful match today and really maintained control over his shotmaking. very few people have the ability to hit through nadal on both sides and james has shown he can do this on more than one occasion! in this respect his game matches up better than most against nadal. the only others who I can think off that can hit winners with such alacrity off both sides are berdych and safin (maybe also johansson). but james really played nadal off the court today. at 4-0 down in the second set he turned it on and won the next 6 of 8 games and then wiped rafa in the TB 7-0. best match of the tournament so far.

as a footnote it wasn't that rafa wasn't playing well. he brought his usual tenacity and shotmaking to the game hitting some beautiful running fh and bh winners and passing shots. however on too many occcasions it was james who was dictating the game. the other thing is with the way james was hitting winner after winner into rafa's bh, it eventually had a semi breakdown in that (at the end) too many shots from that wing by rafa were landing too short and allowing blake to hit the winner.

silverwhite
11-13-2006, 12:18 PM
James :woohoo:

Pfloyd
11-13-2006, 12:20 PM
it was tight for both sets. but james just had the shots when they were needed. he played a beautiful match today and really maintained control over his shotmaking. very few people have the ability to hit through nadal on both sides and james has shown he can do this on more than one occasion! in this respect his game matches up better than most against nadal. the only others who I can think off that can hit winners with such alacrity off both sides are berdych and safin (maybe also johansson). but james really played nadal off the court today. at 4-0 down in the second set he turned it on and won the next 6 of 8 games and then wiped rafa in the TB 7-0. best match of the tournament so far.

as a footnote it wasn't that rafa wasn't playing well. he brought his usual tenacity and shotmaking to the game hitting some beautiful running fh and bh winners and passing shots. however on too many occcasions it was james who was dictating the game. the other thing is with the way james was hitting winner after winner into rafa's bh, it eventually had a semi breakdown in that (at the end) too many shots from that wing by rafa were landing too short and allowing blake to hit the winner.

I don't agree 100%. Raga did play well but his serve was crap.

He was moving James around and winning awsome points in the 1st and start of the second set. However Nadal was just playing to get the ball in the court, not to win points (that's how weak his serve seemed).

Blake took obvious advantage of this short coming and managed to hammer the serve.

landoud
11-13-2006, 12:21 PM
Davydenko will beat Rafa too

Sunset of Age
11-13-2006, 12:21 PM
Poor Rafita... :tears:

His serve was totally OFF after he got to 4-0 in the second set... oh dear what happened???

Kudos to James though. :hatoff:
Wonderful fighting from him. He'll surely get far in this tournament if he manages to maintain this level!

konyalikartal
11-13-2006, 12:21 PM
I think it is the worst performance for Rafa in a tennis match after blowing that 4:0 lead in the second set. How could he miss these chances for the second set? I think it is because of the mental problem against Blake. He should find a way otherwise (although I am a Rafa fan it is unpleasant for me to say that) I couldn't see him winning against both Blake and Berdych on the hardcourts. I hope he doesn't play against Davydenko like this otherwise he couldn't get out of this Gold group.

shotgun
11-13-2006, 12:22 PM
Well done James, nice comeback in the second set and nice tie-break score. A very convincing win.

MilMilCho
11-13-2006, 12:22 PM
Well done, James, its a little bit weird though.:rolleyes:
I thought Nadal was gonna take the second set.
He was up 4-0, still gave it away and failed to close out the set.
It seemed to me that he has too much pressure while he is facing Blake.

scoobs
11-13-2006, 12:23 PM
A very good match - lots of twists and turns and some excellent tennis - including what may be the point of the season won by Blake at 4-4 in the second set.

But yeah Nadal's serve didn't help him from 4-0 in that second and he really hurt himself by letting Blake get back.

James - superb match excepting a few loose games at the start of the second - he has the weapons on both the forehand and backhand wings and they were firing well today.

Pfloyd
11-13-2006, 12:23 PM
Rafa is the single most hated player in MTF, or so it seems.

I know this is the format of this website, but sometimes, this "roasting" can get to be quite childish. Yeah, of course it's inevetable, after all when Fed loses, all the other fans start bashing Federer, it's true. But 4 threads? I mean come on, have a little sympathy, if not for the fans at least for the player.

I know Rafa's game is not appeling to many people, but as a person, he must feel like total shit...

Exodus
11-13-2006, 12:25 PM
http://sp5.org/westdean/pigroast.htm

lol

ca1houn
11-13-2006, 12:26 PM
I read that Nadal has a new service motion did anybody notice a different I couldnít

oschemi
11-13-2006, 12:26 PM
Rafa is the single most hated player in MTF, or so it seems.

I know this is the format of this website, but sometimes, this "roasting" can get to be quite childish. Yeah, of course it's inevetable, after all when Fed loses, all the other fans start bashing Federer, it's true. But 4 threads? I mean come on, have a little sympathy, if not for the fans at least for the player.

I know Rafa's game is not appeling to many people, but as a person, he must feel like total shit...

I totally agrree. Even though Nadal lost, I he still played well and I believe that he has a very bright future ahead of him. Ignore the tools on MTF and just enjoy the player as I am.:D

TennisGrandSlam
11-13-2006, 12:26 PM
Maybe Rafa wants to play FedCow :rolleyes:

*Ljubica*
11-13-2006, 12:27 PM
Well done James :bigclap:

screaminhead
11-13-2006, 12:27 PM
I was torn during this match...but towards the end I knew that I wanted Blake to win and am overwhelmed that he did, in 2 sets no less, plus being down in 2nd set...Way to go James! You are truly a Rafa Killer! :armed:

Sad for Nadal, though :sad:

oz_boz
11-13-2006, 12:28 PM
Rafa is the single most hated player in MTF, or so it seems.

I know this is the format of this website, but sometimes, this "roasting" can get to be quite childish. Yeah, of course it's inevetable, after all when Fed loses, all the other fans start bashing Federer, it's true. But 4 threads? I mean come on, have a little sympathy, if not for the fans at least for the player.

I know Rafa's game is not appeling to many people, but as a person, he must feel like total shit...

I don't think it's bashing as much as it is excitement. Lots here on MTF were eager to see if Nadal would get third time lucky against an nemesis. It's not as if people were gloating in all threads. The piggy rosting of course, but that is old news.

BTW, I don't think Rafa could care less about what some people here are saying about him.

JustmeUK
11-13-2006, 12:29 PM
I don't agree 100%. Raga did play well but his serve was crap.

He was moving James around and winning awsome points in the 1st and start of the second set. However Nadal was just playing to get the ball in the court, not to win points (that's how weak his serve seemed).

Blake took obvious advantage of this short coming and managed to hammer the serve.

Rafa's serve has never been a powerhouse. It's a work in progress.

As for Rafa winning points I did say he did hit some winners :D. However in the end it wasn't just the winners of the service but the winners from everywhere that was doing the damage. Blake simply hit through Nadal.

Nadal is a counter puncher. Sure he can hit winners but his game is based on staying in the points as opposed to hitting winner after winner. In this respect, as history shows, the shotmakers are the ones that will dominate especially if they can maintain that quality day in day out.

Sky were saying earlier on that Toni had been on court with Rafa in Shanghai working on hitting flatter shots and more aggressive shots. This is something he needs to do if he is going to win and go on to become no 1 in the future. It's not rocket science. His game is good enough most of the time. But it's not nearly good enough to all of the time to allow him to dominate (perhaps as a no 1) as long as he's content to hit moonballs back.

hitchhiker
11-13-2006, 12:30 PM
I know Rafa's game is not appeling to many people, but as a person, he must feel like total shit...


4 people create a thread when he loses, his got a tough life indeed

Breakdown
11-13-2006, 12:31 PM
:angel: Congrats to James!

Poor Rafa:sad: , will he be able to recover mentally for his next match?

rofe
11-13-2006, 12:31 PM
Well played James. To people who are saying that Nadal played badly; it is a matchup issue not bad play that made the match slip away for Nadal. James was breaking Nadal at will in the second but he had his own let down thanks to some boneheaded attempts at flashy shots.

Nadal has nothing to hurt James because by taking the ball so early off both wings and powering the flattened return, Blake negates the top spin and takes time away from Nadal.

Having said that, losing a set where you are 4-0 ahead and losing 0-7 in the tie-break tells me that Blake is now in Nadal's head.

Carlita
11-13-2006, 12:32 PM
:awww:

Pfloyd
11-13-2006, 12:34 PM
I would agree that Nadal played awsome tennis and still lost to Blake at Indian wells, but this time I saw a Nadal that could beat Blake, but Nadal choked, had a shitty serve and completley self destructed in the tie-break something quite uncharacteristic of him.

ca1houn
11-13-2006, 12:34 PM
Rafa is the single most hated player in MTF, or so it seems.

I know this is the format of this website, but sometimes, this "roasting" can get to be quite childish. Yeah, of course it's inevetable, after all when Fed loses, all the other fans start bashing Federer, it's true. But 4 threads? I mean come on, have a little sympathy, if not for the fans at least for the player.

I know Rafa's game is not appeling to many people, but as a person, he must feel like total shit...


2 slams and $8,006,939 in Prize Money at age 20 yeah i feel for him.

If Nikolay beat him we better put rafa on suicide watch because his Self-esteem whould be crush

bokehlicious
11-13-2006, 12:35 PM
Nadal will be happy by ending this TMC with a win over Robredo :worship: :rolleyes: :D

DDrago2
11-13-2006, 12:36 PM
Blake took obvious advantage of this short coming and managed to hammer the serve.

WHat are you talking about, since when is NAdal a serve player? He is a counter puncher, no Roddick His serve was normal for his standards

Blake was outplaying him regularly in ralies, Nadal had very little in his hands It was all about will Blake make an UE - if not, it's his point, and he obviously knows how with Nadal...

DrJules
11-13-2006, 12:36 PM
Well played James. To people who are saying that Nadal played badly; it is a matchup issue not bad play that made the match slip away for Nadal. James was breaking Nadal at will in the second but he had his own let down thanks to some boneheaded attempts at flashy shots.

Nadal has nothing to hurt James because by taking the ball so early off both wings and powering the flattened return, Blake negates the top spin and takes time away from Nadal.

Having said that, losing a set where you are 4-0 ahead and losing 0-7 in the tie-break tells me that Blake is now in Nadal's head.

That level of mental fragility from Rafael is certainly new. In the past Blake was always slightly ahead, but losing a set from 4-0. I guess the positive for Rafael is that he could even achieve a 4-0 position in a set against Blake.

JustmeUK
11-13-2006, 12:36 PM
I think it is the worst performance for Rafa in a tennis match after blowing that 4:0 lead in the second set. How could he miss these chances for the second set? I think it is because of the mental problem against Blake. He should find a way otherwise (although I am a Rafa fan it is unpleasant for me to say that) I couldn't see him winning against both Blake and Berdych on the hardcourts. I hope he doesn't play against Davydenko like this otherwise he couldn't get out of this Gold group.

I don't think he blew it. He got to 4-0 off some very weak shots by Blake who seemed to have gone AWOL mentally. Then James came back with some stunning shots. I'd be very interested to see the unforced errors and winners made in the sets. I think u'll find that Rafa wasn't making that many UEs and that Blake would have been in double figures in both sets (and I suspect double figures on the BH side in the second set at least).

Blake and Berdych are two players who can hit Rafa off the court with shots off both wings. Not too many others can. But u're right, Rafa's game matches up badly against these two.

Exodus
11-13-2006, 12:37 PM
Nadal will be happy by ending this TMC with a win over Robredo :worship: :rolleyes: :D

he might not even beat boredo :devil:

Metis
11-13-2006, 12:37 PM
Nadal :smash:

I think Rafa urgently needs to play against Roger. That should bring his confidence back. :lol:

And the way things are going he might get to do that in the semis :devil:

Sunset of Age
11-13-2006, 12:37 PM
People seem to forget Rafa is still very young... he'll have enough time to work on improvement. Which is very necessary indeed - his failing serve caused him to lose the match, IMHO.

~Rooting for Rafa in his next matches, of course!~

DrJules
11-13-2006, 12:37 PM
Many said this was an easy group.

Rafael has lost in straight sets to Blake and to progress will almost certainly have to beat the most in form player, Davydenko.

DDrago2
11-13-2006, 12:39 PM
Many said this was an easy group.

Rafael has lost in straight sets to Blake and to progress will almost certainly have to beat the most in form player, Davydenko.

Davydenko, who is just 2 games down to Robredo in the first set

So if Raffa lost to Blake it's a difficult group?

adee-gee
11-13-2006, 12:40 PM
Props to Blake, I thought that was the best match Rafa has played against him and he didn't take a set. Apart from his serve, Rafa was pretty solid off the baseline, perhaps his depth wasn't as good as it could've been but Blake was hitting huge and deserved to win.

How Rafa didn't win that 2nd set I'll never know. I'm still confident he can beat Davydenko though.

Pfloyd
11-13-2006, 12:40 PM
WHat are you talking about, since when is NAdal a serve player? He is a counter puncher, no Roddick His serve was normal for his standards

Blake was outplaying him regularly in ralies, Nadal had very little in his hands It was all about will Blake make an UE - if not, it's his point, and he obviously knows how with Nadal...

Yeah, its true. But he had greatly improved his serve recently, but today it was awful.

I don't mean that if Rafa served how he was doing he would have out-aced blake. What I do mean is that if he served well, he could have won this in straight sets.

Having stated this, Blake is now Rafa's Federer and he will have serious hard times to try and beat him on HC.

Metis
11-13-2006, 12:40 PM
I don't think he blew it. He got to 4-0 off some very weak shots by Blake who seemed to have gone AWOL mentally. Then James came back with some stunning shots. I'd be very interested to see the unforced errors and winners made in the sets. I think u'll find that Rafa wasn't making that many UEs and that Blake would have been in double figures in both sets (and I suspect double figures on the BH side in the second set at least).

Blake and Berdych are two players who can hit Rafa off the court with shots off both wings. Not too many others can. But u're right, Rafa's game matches up badly against these two.

Nadal made a lot of UEs compared to winners. I don't remember the exact number maybe around 25. Blake hit more winners than UEs.

DrJules
11-13-2006, 12:40 PM
Davydenko, who is just 2 games down to Robredo in the first set

So if Raffa lost to Blake it's a difficult group?

No, but it now means he has to beat the in form Davydenko.

DDrago2
11-13-2006, 12:41 PM
People seem to forget Rafa is still very young... he'll have enough time to work on improvement. Which is very necessary indeed - his failing serve caused him to lose the match, IMHO.

~Rooting for Rafa in his next matches, of course!~

More and more people, and who seem to know tennis well, think that Nadal will never be as good as he already was. That is something I also predicted a year ago

adee-gee
11-13-2006, 12:41 PM
That level of mental fragility from Rafael is certainly new. In the past Blake was always slightly ahead, but losing a set from 4-0. I guess the positive for Rafael is that he could even achieve a 4-0 position in a set against Blake.
I wouldn't call it mental fragility, I'd call it a lack of confidence.

rofe
11-13-2006, 12:41 PM
Many said this was an easy group.

Rafael has lost in straight sets to Blake and to progress will almost certainly have to beat the most in form player, Davydenko.

Actually, Nadal should have an easier time against Davy. Davy doesn't have the power to trouble Nadal that much so Davy will have to rely on his court speed, take the ball early and work the angles.

mangoes
11-13-2006, 12:43 PM
That was a hell of a comeback from James. I really thought Nadal had the 2nd set in the bag. Some really nice rallies. The one thing I noticed is that Nadal began to unravel mentally. James is definitely in Nadal's head. And, I do think it's a match up issue for Nadal..........just as Nadal gives Roger problems.

Nevertheless, I don't see Davydenko or Robredo beating Nadal.

blosson
11-13-2006, 12:44 PM
Rafa lost to the only power player in his group. He should be able to pick thing up by beating the other 2.

lshdure
11-13-2006, 12:44 PM
I don't agree 100%. Raga did play well but his serve was crap.

He was moving James around and winning awsome points in the 1st and start of the second set. However Nadal was just playing to get the ball in the court, not to win points (that's how weak his serve seemed).

Blake took obvious advantage of this short coming and managed to hammer the serve.

You are right. Ndl's service was crap today. Not only that, players are playing better and better with Ndl because they knows how to play with him. Ndl is not poor! But his prolblem is his defensive play and mentality. Today, most of his winner part came from pasing shot. He just hit the ball hard into the court without any shortmaking. In the pressure time, in to the backhand side. Now, players are adjusting themselves in this part. They are ready.

RonE
11-13-2006, 12:47 PM
James u fucking animal! :lol: :yeah:

But I agree with people's assessments that Davydenko and Robredo should be less troublesome for him than Blake simply because they can't simply hit him off the court. We will see.

mangoes
11-13-2006, 12:48 PM
Yeah, its true. But he had greatly improved his serve recently, but today it was awful.

I don't mean that if Rafa served how he was doing he would have out-aced blake. What I do mean is that if he served well, he could have won this in straight sets.

Having stated this, Blake is now Rafa's Federer and he will have serious hard times to try and beat him on HC.


This match didn't hinge on serves. I feel like you are trying to come up with excuses. A lot of the time Blake hit through Nadal. Nadal was NOT weak in his baseline game. Blake was just better.

Modetopia
11-13-2006, 12:48 PM
Blake=Rafakilla :bounce:

Well done, James. :yeah:

absolutely:p

Pfloyd
11-13-2006, 12:50 PM
This match didn't hinge on serves. I feel like you are trying to come up with excuses. A lot of the times Blake hit through Nadal. Nadal was NOT weak in his baseline game. Blake was just better.

Well its a fact that Nadal broke first in the first set, and he obviously had a huge lead in the second, so yes, I do believe this specific game betweem them to was lost due to Rafa's shitty serving today.

In Indian wells, as I presviously state in a prior post, Nadal played an awsome game but Blake still beat him.

Im not saying excuses, It's just the way I saw this game...

CmonAussie
11-13-2006, 12:52 PM
How about some credit for Blake><!!!

Blake is improving incredibly~>> 1st year in the Top #10, wins 5-titles on 4-continents, makes a TMS final & a grass final to boot!!.... Just accept it~>> Blake is finally showing the results his talent deserves!

PS. Expecting a Federer v Blake final in Shanghai a week from now<:)

sawan66278
11-13-2006, 12:53 PM
As a Rafa fan: all you can say is: CHOKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Rafa, you're up a break in the first set, up 4-0 in the second, and serve for it again at 5-4, and then the most "beautiful" tiebreak ever played:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Rafa's confidence is not there...and neither is the variety needed to excel against the shotmakers like Blake and Berdych...

For the first time in his young career, confidence is an issue...It happens to EVERY player at some point...Look at Boris Becker, Andre Agassi...even Pete Sampras...Those players who are so successful so young, always have a period of mental crisis when things don't work out for them...and they have to go Darwinian...i.e. adapt or die.

Yes, Rafa's game is somewhat limited, but so was Mats Wilander's...and yet he won three of the four slams and was #1 (with a total of seven slams). And let's not forget: Mats won his first slam at RG too.

Next year, I can see Rafa really struggling...He may not win the French, but I think 2008 will be the return to glory...but it will all depend on whether he makes the necessary changes to his game...

Rafa has not really faced adversity in his life as a player yet...He wins RG the first time he plays it, then defeats the #1 player in the world to defend the title...and then follows that up with a Wimbledon final...These last few months have been the first time he has had some tough losses...losing where he could have or should have won...

But that is the great thing about this game: all it takes is one hot week (look at Roddick...or even one match...look at Roddick again in Cincy) and you're back at the top...

Gut-wrenching loss...and a true CHOKE...which will probably lead to problems forever against Blake...but Rafa will survive...;)

adee-gee
11-13-2006, 12:55 PM
Blake returns Rafa's serve very well, I can count the number of cheap points Rafa got on one hand. Yes, he didn't serve well but that's not why he lost the match.

Pfloyd
11-13-2006, 12:55 PM
As a Rafa fan: all you can say is: CHOKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Rafa, you're up a break in the first set, up 4-0 in the second, and serve for it again at 5-4, and then the most "beautiful" tiebreak ever played:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Rafa's confidence is not there...and neither is the variety needed to excel against the shotmakers like Blake and Berdych...

For the first time in his young career, confidence is an issue...It happens to EVERY player at some point...Look at Boris Becker, Andre Agassi...even Pete Sampras...Those players who are so successful so young, always have a period of mental crisis when things don't work out for them...and they have to go Darwinian...i.e. adapt or die.

Yes, Rafa's game is somewhat limited, but so was Mats Wilander's...and yet he won three of the four slams and was #1 (with a total of seven slams). And let's not forget: Mats won his first slam at RG too.

Next year, I can see Rafa really struggling...He may not win the French, but I think 2008 will be the return to glory...but it will all depend on whether he makes the necessary changes to his game...

Rafa has not really faced adversity in his life as a player yet...He wins RG the first time he plays it, then defeats the #1 player in the world to defend the title...and then follows that up with a Wimbledon final...These last few months have been the first time he has had some tough losses...losing where he could have or should have won...

But that is the great thing about this game: all it takes is one hot week (look at Roddick...or even one match...look at Roddick again in Cincy) and you're back at the top...

Gut-wrenching loss...and a true CHOKE...which will probably lead to problems forever against Blake...but Rafa will survive...;)

I can't give you another rep, but a very good post.

DDrago2
11-13-2006, 12:57 PM
But his prolblem is his defensive play [...] He just hit the ball hard into the court without any shortmaking

You could persume long ago that this will be his undoing - as soon as he stays without youthfull moyo and stamina. Too bad Nadal-heads were so blinded they were not able to see . I remeber people saying to things like "Nadal has no weaknesses" - just because he was winning much, being in form of his life...

Times when Nadal will have to prove real class are just coming

mangoes
11-13-2006, 12:58 PM
Props to Blake, I thought that was the best match Rafa has played against him and he didn't take a set. Apart from his serve, Rafa was pretty solid off the baseline, perhaps his depth wasn't as good as it could've been but Blake was hitting huge and deserved to win.

How Rafa didn't win that 2nd set I'll never know. I'm still confident he can beat Davydenko though.

Agree Adam........and I also think Nadal will still be in the SF. I don't think Davydenko or Robredo will defeat him.

lshdure
11-13-2006, 12:58 PM
That level of mental fragility from Rafael is certainly new. In the past Blake was always slightly ahead, but losing a set from 4-0. I guess the positive for Rafael is that he could even achieve a 4-0 position in a set against Blake.

4:0 lead is not because of Ndl's effort, but because of Blake's choke in the beginning of the 2nd set. P. Mccenore pointed out Blake's mental weakness. But when it matters, Blake came back, and Ndl could not add anything more at that moment.

Now, truly, Ndl's mental fraily is on the table. He does not believe himself any more.

scoobs
11-13-2006, 01:02 PM
I wouldn't want to be so sure about Nadal vs Davydenko - if Kolya plays as well as he has been doing and as is he starting to currently against Robredo and plays as hard and flat as he likes to I think he could give Nadal a lot of trouble again.

I can see him beating Robredo but I still have a big ? against Davydenko at this point.

JustmeUK
11-13-2006, 01:02 PM
Nadal made a lot of UEs compared to winners. I don't remember the exact number maybe around 25. Blake hit more winners than UEs.

I mean in the two sets compared to each other. I'll bet they weren't that different. The point being that Nadal's play was pretty constant and it was Blake's play that was changing the course of the match.

mishar
11-13-2006, 01:06 PM
Good stuff from James! There goes those who said that he would tighten up and fail in the big moment.

Now he just has to beat one of Davydenko and Robedo to make the SF -- perhaps he can beat them both, as he has an excellent record against them and then he could end as #1 in his group!

mandoura
11-13-2006, 01:12 PM
You're da man James, The Dragon Slayer :banana: . Extremely well done :yeah: . Back from 2 breaks down and a 7-0 tie break (maybe you should tell Andy how you do it ;) ), awesome :worship: . :woohoo:

:bigcry: Rafa. Now go win your remaining matches. :hug:

Macbrother
11-13-2006, 01:18 PM
Nadal hasn't been serving well since Wimbledon. Lack of confidence, focus, feel; fatigue, who knows. I'm really torn here, I would like to see a Nadal v. Fed final, but on the other hand am really rooting for Davydenko and Blake.

Plain and simple, Blake just dictated the match. Nadal as usual stayed 8 feet behind the baseline and that's just not going to cut it. Blake played terrible (0 winners, 9 unforeced errors) when he went down 0-4 to Nadal in the second set, but simply returned to the form he was playing to begin with to win the match.

cobalt60
11-13-2006, 01:19 PM
:woohoo: James! Keep it up!

Five
11-13-2006, 01:23 PM
:sobbing:

FluffyYellowBall
11-13-2006, 01:40 PM
Too bad i was in school but i was updated with the score...

3-0 lead in the second set?? What??:sad: :eek: Did he choke or did blake get his game together?

Adler
11-13-2006, 01:42 PM
3-0 lead in the second set??
It was even 4:0 mate :)

nobama
11-13-2006, 01:43 PM
That was a hell of a comeback from James. I really thought Nadal had the 2nd set in the bag. Some really nice rallies. The one thing I noticed is that Nadal began to unravel mentally. James is definitely in Nadal's head. And, I do think it's a match up issue for Nadal..........just as Nadal gives Roger problems.

Nevertheless, I don't see Davydenko or Robredo beating Nadal.
You and Rofe are too funny. :lol: You don't ever see anyone beating Nadal (except maybe Federer, Berdych or Blake). I think Davydenko has a decent shot. Nadal doesn't seem as confident to me. How often would he let a 4-0 lead slip away? And lose a TB 7-0. Sure it's a match up issue with Blake. But it's not like Blake was playing his absolute best today. Broken twice in the first set and three times in the second.

FluffyYellowBall
11-13-2006, 01:51 PM
It was even 4:0 mate :)

U didnt need to tell me that!:eek: My brain itches when i hear thins like these:(
Well done to blake though...
Less lkelyhood of rafa fed final:sad: No offense to blake fans (i am one) but if he reaches final he will be able to do nothng against federer. I wonder how much the rating went down since nadal isnt reaching as may finals:rolleyes:

nobama
11-13-2006, 01:56 PM
U didnt need to tell me that!:eek: My brain itches when i hear thins like these:(
Well done to blake though...
Less lkelyhood of rafa fed final:sad: No offense to blake fans (i am one) but if he reaches final he will be able to do nothng against federer. I wonder how much the rating went down since nadal isnt reaching as may finals:rolleyes:
Who's ratings? It isn't all about Federer/Nadal. :rolleyes:

jasmin
11-13-2006, 01:57 PM
Blake just has the game to beat Nadal.

I also think people know nadal's game more now and players with more variety will probably beat him. Like Marcos said..be more aggressive. Nadal doesn't like that.

The goal for almost everyone is to at least win a set off of Fed. :D

I don't think Rafa will have the same affect on Fed anymore. I think Federer got over that mental hump.

safin-rules-no.1
11-13-2006, 01:59 PM
:hatoff: go blake!!!!!:wavey:

marcRD
11-13-2006, 02:02 PM
Blake was playing totaly outstanding tennis, I dont get people who say he was not playing his best. Only when he LET Nadal take a 4-0 lead in the 2nd set because of loss of concentration he didnt play his best tennis. Nadal could do nothing to stop Blake when he was on, Nadal didnt even choke today, he simply could only watch as Blake hit outrageous winners from all over the court.

Nadal even broke to 5-4 only to get broken again. Nadals defense was wonderful but Blakes offense was better.

Only thing that didnt work for Nadal was his serve.

Angle Queen
11-13-2006, 02:04 PM
:clap2: James...and for once, I didn't mind the 6am (east coast US) start time. AP and I got to watch most of it. There were some wonderful points in that first set...just blazing shots from both of them. Terrific tiebreak for James.

Naranoc
11-13-2006, 02:05 PM
Blake simply managed to hit Nadal off the court, (which he’s done before) and virtually everyone knows that his game matches up very badly with Nadal, so that’s not the issue here. Most of the discussion seems to be centered on him losing the 2nd set after being 4-0 up (and unable to serve out the set at 5-4), as well as not scoring a single point in the tie-break. If you take into account that:

- He hasn’t made the semi’s of the past 5 tournaments he’s played in since Wimbledon = a lack of confidence to ‘go for’ the important shots at key moments.
- A short return from injury and a week’s rest, where not only did he not practice for a full week, it was also identified that it was his new service motion that caused the muscle tear (hence a reluctance to put too much strain on his body by practicing it)

then it might go towards explaining why he lost today, though I agree that blowing such a lead could possibly damage his confidence further. Still, I hold that an in-form Davydenko doesn’t have any real weapons to hurt Nadal, apart from a great well-rounded game, which he shouldn’t have any problems coping with after a while. We’ll see what happens in his next match.

mangoes
11-13-2006, 02:09 PM
U didnt need to tell me that!:eek: My brain itches when i hear thins like these:(
Well done to blake though...
Less lkelyhood of rafa fed final:sad: No offense to blake fans (i am one) but if he reaches final he will be able to do nothng against federer. I wonder how much the rating went down since nadal isnt reaching as may finals:rolleyes:

:haha: :haha: :haha: That has got to be the funniest thing I've read in this thread. Sorry to burst your bubble, ratings haven't taken a dive in the US over Nadal :haha: :haha: :haha: They are the same........

Godiva
11-13-2006, 02:10 PM
Good job James. Now that's what I call scintillating tennis:worship: Now on to your next match, and win.:D

SloKid
11-13-2006, 02:14 PM
James, great stuff! :D

Deboogle!.
11-13-2006, 02:44 PM
:yeah: Glad to see I was wrong about James not handling the occasion well :)

charlie666
11-13-2006, 02:45 PM
Well done James :yeah:
Nadal :nerner:

GlennMirnyi
11-13-2006, 02:46 PM
James schooled the moonballer. It seemed he could break Nadal anytime he wanted.

Great great great James! :worship:

NYCtennisfan
11-13-2006, 02:48 PM
Blake's BH has improved so much and he usually hits it really well against Rafa. Nice win.

I see Nadal beating both Davy and Robredo though.

GlennMirnyi
11-13-2006, 02:51 PM
Blake's BH has improved so much and he usually hits it really well against Rafa. Nice win.

I see Nadal beating both Davy and Robredo though.

Playing like today, Davydenko has a serious chance of winning.

hablovah19
11-13-2006, 02:52 PM
:woohoo:

Well done, Blake :yeah:

LLeytonRules
11-13-2006, 02:57 PM
Nadal's game is being figured out.I was hoping that Roger would play Nadal on this surface.It still could happen but Nadal's game is really on the slopes!!!!

LLeytonRules
11-13-2006, 02:59 PM
How can anyone pick Nadal now?He hasnt doned much since wimbledon.

nobama
11-13-2006, 03:04 PM
How can anyone pick Nadal now?He hasnt doned much since wimbledon.A lot of people are still picking Nadal. Blake is bad match up for him, Robredo/Davydenko can't hurt him. I'm taking a wait and see attitidue. Wait and see what his confidence is like and how well he's serving.

BlakeJamitis
11-13-2006, 03:05 PM
Great win by James. Here's to hoping that backhand remains solid & vicious throughout the tournament. Did you see some of those ANGLES? WOW

bluesky_rachel
11-13-2006, 03:10 PM
Congrats James!:)

Voo de Mar
11-13-2006, 03:10 PM
3-0 lead in the second set?? What??:sad: :eek: Did he choke or did blake get his game together?

Not only 4:0 lead in the 2nd... Nadal also led 4:3 (deuce) in the 1st and served, had a point for a 5:1 lead in the 2nd and was leading 5:4 (30-15) on serve :D
I've never thought that Blake is able go back from this kind of situation against such a good mental player like Rafa.
That was amazing :bigclap:

Voo de Mar
11-13-2006, 03:14 PM
Great win by James. Here's to hoping that backhand remains solid & vicious throughout the tournament. Did you see some of those ANGLES? WOW

Blake's crosscourt backhand was fantastic today.

El Legenda
11-13-2006, 03:14 PM
Nadal sucks :haha:

GlennMirnyi
11-13-2006, 03:15 PM
When 3/0 down in the second set Blake was like 9-0 in UEs... he played some bad games, that's all. When he started playing like he can, it was really straightforward.

rofe
11-13-2006, 03:17 PM
You and Rofe are too funny. :lol: You don't ever see anyone beating Nadal (except maybe Federer, Berdych or Blake). I think Davydenko has a decent shot. Nadal doesn't seem as confident to me. How often would he let a 4-0 lead slip away? And lose a TB 7-0. Sure it's a match up issue with Blake. But it's not like Blake was playing his absolute best today. Broken twice in the first set and three times in the second.

Why don't you come up with a technical analysis of why Davy poses as great a threat as Blake to Nadal? All I did was point out that Davy's game matches up better than Blake's game.

tennisgal_001
11-13-2006, 03:26 PM
The win, I expected. Nadal couldn't beat Blake on slower surfaces, he wasn't going to do it in Shanghai! But back from 4-0 AND a break at 4-5, AND 7-0 in the TB, against Rafa in CHINA, in his FIRST MASTERS-CUP MATCH EVER, *that* I did not see coming, and if someone had told me yesterday all of this would happen, I would've called them MAD. Good job Blake :hatoff:, Nadal, I wouldn't wanna be in his shoes. His next match will be crucial, and I'd say it'll depend more on his confidence and mentality, rather than the actual tennis being played.

Jimnik
11-13-2006, 03:27 PM
Expected win from Blake, but this group is still wide open.
Nadal should have the edge over Davydenko and Robredo.

GlennMirnyi
11-13-2006, 03:29 PM
Blake played some amazing points. I don't remember at what point exactly he played an incredible point with a huge number of strokes and he finished it with an amazing backhand crosscourt winner. That was so beautiful. His BH is really great.

FluffyYellowBall
11-13-2006, 03:30 PM
Who's ratings? It isn't all about Federer/Nadal. :rolleyes:

For us itsnot but it takes a lot to impress someone who desnt watch much tennis. It needs to be exceptionlly good so tht people can appreciate it. It look easy and people like to watch the near impossible;)

Voo de Mar
11-13-2006, 03:52 PM
I don't remember at what point exactly he played an incredible point with a huge number of strokes and he finished it with an amazing backhand crosscourt winner.

At 4:4 (15-15) in the second set. This rally cost Blake too much energy and he lost that game.

megadeth
11-13-2006, 03:59 PM
nope, i wouldn't be surprised if nadal lost to davy as well... :rolleyes:

Fergie
11-13-2006, 03:59 PM
James!!! :worship: :worship: :worship:

User id 7816
11-13-2006, 04:02 PM
the first set was great from both, I guess Blake feels so confident against Rafa by now that he doesnt find a problem to come back from 0-4! Great positive play and shotmaking :yeah: Rafa seems to be going through some mental exhaustion. Maybe he needs to follow Henin and start volleying more. It does seem impossible to play 2m behing baseline all the time, for anyone. Dont know whats with his serve but it really seemed to have gotten better this year. Today?

JimmyV
11-13-2006, 05:07 PM
Lolz He Only Won Because Rafa Let Him Since Rafa Is True Numbar One Lololololol

Jagermeister
11-13-2006, 05:16 PM
Rafa can't withstand all the Blake offensive power and Blake feels confident against him (always a big plus when Blake's mental attitude is positive). Much like Berdych, Blake can just blow him off the court.

That being said, blowing that 4-0 lead in the 2nd hurts. His serve was just not effective. In fact ever since Wimbledon it hasn't been.

Two more matches to go but I don't particularly love his chances vs Kolya.

goodwoman
11-13-2006, 05:24 PM
:woohoo: Great win from James!
His backhand was incredible! His serve was cookin' too. Even when he was down 0-4 in the second set, I had a feeling he would pull it out. You could just see the confidence and the fire in him today.
Keep it up James! :fiery:

morningglory
11-13-2006, 05:25 PM
:haha: :haha: :haha:
without clay, I am nothing :haha:

JustmeUK
11-13-2006, 05:40 PM
How can anyone pick Nadal now?He hasnt doned much since wimbledon.

because form is temporary but class is permanent. I may not be a fan of Nadal but any objective viewer must be able to see that Nadal has class to spare :)

Raquel
11-13-2006, 05:43 PM
I didn't see this match but sounds like Blake played well. He has a good record against Nadal and has had a good year. His quotes after the match therefore seem a little bit false.

http://www.tiscali.co.uk/news/newswire.php/news/reuters/2006/11/13/sport/battling-blake-upsets-nadal-at-masters-cup.html&template=/sport/feeds/story_template.html

"I’m not one of the last guys, I actually am ’the’ last guy," Blake said after his first Masters Cup match. "I’m the guy that’s supposed to be the easy matchup...which doesn’t help my confidence too much. But I’m just happy to be here."

I think he tries a little too hard to be the charismatic, diplomatic nice guy rather than be honest. Does he really think he's the easy guy to beat here? The one who is out of his depth and no one gives him a hope of winning matches? I doubt it.

JustmeUK
11-13-2006, 05:51 PM
At 4:4 (15-15) in the second set. This rally cost Blake too much energy and he lost that game.

that was a sumptuous rally :). however that point also epitomised what was bad about Blake today (and maybe in general). sometimes I get the feeling Blake plays for the spectacular not because it's what's needed but because it's what he thinks he can do. it's almost as if he needs to learn how to do just enough. perhaps it's because he came to the pro tour late and the injuries he had but it's almost as if he doesn't know what his peak level performance is yet and how to pitch his play so that he's doing enough without exhuasting his emotional reserves on games like these.

Rogiman
11-13-2006, 05:52 PM
Let's celebrate this nice moment some more! :D

revolution
11-13-2006, 05:53 PM
It's certainly been Carnival day in Fedtard village. :)

guga2120
11-13-2006, 06:01 PM
not excatly suprising, what was up with his serve? Normally he would beat Robredo, and Daveydenko, i wonder if he will win a match.

DrJules
11-13-2006, 06:03 PM
I wouldn't call it mental fragility, I'd call it a lack of confidence.

The 2 are closely related.

Bremen
11-13-2006, 06:05 PM
It's certainly been Carnival day in Fedtard village. :)

It's been glorious!!! Hopefully we can keep the carnival running well into next year!!

ServeAlready81
11-13-2006, 06:06 PM
Rafa just simply has nothing to hurt James with other than consistency. Once James keeps the ball in the court, there is nothing he can do. Not only can James play offensively, he is quick enough to defend Rafa's shots that don't penetrate the court too well. If history holds true, James should make the SF easily as he has dominate records against Robredo and especially Davy.

tangerine_dream
11-13-2006, 06:16 PM
I didn't see this match but sounds like Blake played well. He has a good record against Nadal and has had a good year. His quotes after the match therefore seem a little bit false.

http://www.tiscali.co.uk/news/newswire.php/news/reuters/2006/11/13/sport/battling-blake-upsets-nadal-at-masters-cup.html&template=/sport/feeds/story_template.html

"I’m not one of the last guys, I actually am ’the’ last guy," Blake said after his first Masters Cup match. "I’m the guy that’s supposed to be the easy matchup...which doesn’t help my confidence too much. But I’m just happy to be here."

I think he tries a little too hard to be the charismatic, diplomatic nice guy rather than be honest. Does he really think he's the easy guy to beat here? The one who is out of his depth and no one gives him a hope of winning matches? I doubt it.
You are unfamiliar with Blake's history. It is true that a part of him still does not believe that he truly belongs in the elite. This isn't false modesty on his part, this is truth.

The fact that he was the last guy to qualify and basically had to depend on somebody else losing in order to get into Shanghai doesn't help his self-belief much. Of everybody here, I'm sure that he feels he has something to prove.

craighickman
11-13-2006, 06:19 PM
I thought it was a very good match with patches of brilliance by both.

Nadal just can't beat Blake. I believe he's only one a single set in their three meetings at the US Open last year. And that set was much like the second set today. James let up but couldn't recover in time. But today, he dd.

In the match up, the outcome is on Blake's racquet.

Deboogle!.
11-13-2006, 06:20 PM
You are unfamiliar with Blake's history. It is true that a part of him still does not believe that he truly belongs in the elite. This isn't false modesty on his part, this is truth.

The fact that he was the last guy to qualify for TMC and basically had to depend on somebody else losing in order to get into Shanghai doesn't help his self-belief much.Even if he was genuine in what he said and means it (which I do believe he was), it's still an odd statement to make. I'd much rather him have the mentality of "hey, I totally deserve to be here. I won 5 titles, beat a lot of top 10 players, went deep in a lot of big tournaments, etc." - he doesn't have to be arrogant or cocky about it, but there's nothing wrong with feeling like you deserve a particular achievement. He worked hard, he improved a lot, he deserves it, and it'd be nice to see him acknowledge that :)

El Legenda
11-13-2006, 06:20 PM
Nadal :haha: :haha:

nobama
11-13-2006, 06:21 PM
It's certainly been Carnival day in Fedtard village. :)Really? How do you figure? Most Fed fans seem to think Nadal will have no troubles with Robredo or Davydenko.

Bremen
11-13-2006, 06:24 PM
Really? How do you figure? Most Fed fans seem to think Nadal will have no troubles with Robredo or Davydenko.

Well he lost to Blake so that is reason to celebrate isn't it? Also while I agree Robredo is a non-threat I wouldn't lump him together with Davydenko. Nadal should have more problems with him.

p.s. When dd rogi make those freud comments...I mean I know he didn't go to university but still!!

revolution
11-13-2006, 06:25 PM
Really? How do you figure? Most Fed fans seem to think Nadal will have no troubles with Robredo or Davydenko.

Because Nadal still lost.

cmurray
11-13-2006, 06:27 PM
Rafa should have had that second set a million times. I mean, WTH???

Im worried about his level of play. He was up TWO breaks and still couldn't manage to pull it out????? Weird.

almouchie
11-13-2006, 06:27 PM
how was the match
i only saw the scoring & live comments
looked like blake was playing well & rafa had trouble on his serve, too many UE

Raquel
11-13-2006, 06:29 PM
Even if he was genuine in what he said and means it (which I do believe he was), it's still an odd statement to make. I'd much rather him have the mentality of "hey, I totally deserve to be here. I won 5 titles, beat a lot of top 10 players, went deep in a lot of big tournaments, etc." - he doesn't have to be arrogant or cocky about it, but there's nothing wrong with feeling like you deserve a particular achievement. He worked hard, he improved a lot, he deserves it, and it'd be nice to see him acknowledge that :)
Yes that's what I thought Deb. He doesn't have to be quite *that* modest. If what he said is his honest feeling, then he will have a real mental block keeping him from going any further if he feels he doesn't belong with these players. Surely with the titles he's won and his record over Nadal he doesn't still feel like he isn't worthy of being there. He should be proud and be comfortable enough to say you know what, I played good and deserved the win.

tangerine_dream
11-13-2006, 06:31 PM
Even if he was genuine in what he said and means it (which I do believe he was), it's still an odd statement to make. I'd much rather him have the mentality of "hey, I totally deserve to be here. I won 5 titles, beat a lot of top 10 players, went deep in a lot of big tournaments, etc." - he doesn't have to be arrogant or cocky about it, but there's nothing wrong with feeling like you deserve a particular achievement. He worked hard, he improved a lot, he deserves it, and it'd be nice to see him acknowledge that :)
Yes, it's an odd statement but it's perfectly within his character. You know it's not like James' to strut around and say "I won five titles, I own Rafa, etc." He probably fights with himself to keep from even thinking it! And I still think that of the eight players there, he probably feels less qualified to be there.

I agree that it would be good for him to give himself a pat on the back once in a while. Preferably out loud the way Roger and Andy do so that we can get some good James hate threads going on in here. The Blake bandwagon is getting crowded again and we need to dump all of these pretenders. :lol:

JustmeUK
11-13-2006, 06:32 PM
Rafa just simply has nothing to hurt James with other than consistency. Once James keeps the ball in the court, there is nothing he can do. Not only can James play offensively, he is quick enough to defend Rafa's shots that don't penetrate the court too well. If history holds true, James should make the SF easily as he has dominate records against Robredo and especially Davy.

well u could really say the same about rafa against any other player. the thing is that consistency and depth of shot as well as great mobility is enough that 99% of the atp can't cope with it :P.

who was it that said this: show me a pusher and I'll show u a roomful of trophies :D

Deboogle!.
11-13-2006, 06:35 PM
Yes that's what I thought Deb. He doesn't have to be quite *that* modest. If what he said is his honest feeling, then he will have a real mental block keeping him from going any further if he feels he doesn't belong with these players. Surely with the titles he's won and his record over Nadal he doesn't still feel like he isn't worthy of being there. He should be proud and be comfortable enough to say you know what, I played good and deserved the win.Exactly. He obviously still has a mental block against certain players and/or in certain situations and maybe it's this kind of attitude that helps explain it. Yes, it's an odd statement but it's perfectly within his character. You know it's not like James' to strut around and say "I won five titles, I own Rafa, etc." He probably fights with himself to keep from even thinking it! And I still think that of the eight players there, he probably feels less qualified to be there.

I agree that it would be good for him to give himself a pat on the back once in a while. Preferably out loud the way Roger and Andy do so that we can get some good James hate threads going on in here. The Blake bandwagon is getting crowded again and we need to dump all of these pretenders. :lol:I think there's a big difference between saying "I feel like I played well enough this year to deserve my spot and that I have a chance to do well" and saying "oh yeah I own Rafa." My point is, if he does feel less qualified, he shouldn't, and it's just not a great mindset to have IMO.

GlennMirnyi
11-13-2006, 06:42 PM
At 4:4 (15-15) in the second set. This rally cost Blake too much energy and he lost that game.

He lost that game because he served really badly.

El Legenda
11-13-2006, 06:46 PM
So Blake went to harvard...how?

jazar
11-13-2006, 06:49 PM
not the most suprising win, but it shows two things, firstly blake has nadal's number and secondly nandal sucks on indoor hard courts and hard courts in general.
blake and devydenko will qualify now.

Black Adam
11-13-2006, 06:50 PM
So Blake went to harvard...how?

You are really Jealous dude! that's the second time i see you try to mock james with the harvard joke..............is it because you failed where he succeded :devil:

User id 7816
11-13-2006, 07:04 PM
"I’m the guy that’s supposed to be the easy matchup"
:confused: supposed....how, going by his h2h with his group rivals? :rolleyes: I guess confidence comes during matches :shrug:

Preferably out loud the way Roger and Andy do so that we can get some good James hate threads going on in here.

Aw.Caring. :awww:

Allez
11-13-2006, 07:36 PM
I really feel sad for Rafa. I hope he gets over whatever is bothering him soon. I no longer hold any grudges for the losses he inflicted on Rogi earlier on in the season. I miss all the drama those two used to generate. :eek:

Well done Jim :worship:

DrJules
11-13-2006, 07:41 PM
The key to beating Nadal is the quality of your backhand.

Does anyone have the number of winners on forehand and backhand for Blake.

trixtah
11-13-2006, 07:48 PM
The key to beating Nadal is the quality of your backhand.

did you like, totally not watch that match

anyway, that was damn fine play by both of them

new-york
11-13-2006, 07:51 PM
ooo yeah.

gogogirl
11-13-2006, 07:52 PM
Hey All,

I knew J.B. brings it when playing Rafa.

Yippee! I'll be back later.

"WAY TO GO JAMES"

nobama
11-13-2006, 07:57 PM
Because Nadal still lost.It's RR who cares if he still makes SF or F.

nobama
11-13-2006, 07:57 PM
p.s. When dd rogi make those freud comments...I mean I know he didn't go to university but still!!After Sunday's match. :o

DrJules
11-13-2006, 07:59 PM
It's RR who cares if he still makes SF or F.

We could have too many of these sort of events if the "villian" at the ATP has his way.

NYCtennisfan
11-13-2006, 08:00 PM
The key to beating Nadal is the quality of your backhand.

Does anyone have the number of winners on forehand and backhand for Blake.

Not really. Blake's BH was really on in this match, but was just OK in the other matches where he beat Nadal (above average for Blake though). Pim Pim beat Nadal without having much of a backhand. Dictacting play from the serve/FH combos, pushing him back behind the baseline, and finishing at net are the keys. Blake and Berdych do this really well.

ServeAlready81
11-13-2006, 08:01 PM
So Blake went to harvard...how?

Well if he lived on campus, I'm sure by foot...and if not I'm sure something with 4 wheels got him there ;)

TNX1.0E6TOPCA
11-13-2006, 08:05 PM
oh James! :bigclap: you did it :yeah:
*** "We really move our tail for you" - The Blake Continental Airlines***

RickDaStick
11-13-2006, 08:19 PM
Blaze and Adeegee are officially on suicide watch.

yomeK
11-13-2006, 08:25 PM
Keep killing the competition Blake and Fed!! :inlove:

Viken01
11-13-2006, 08:33 PM
thank$ blake ;) congrat

boromir8
11-13-2006, 08:39 PM
Nadal clearly tanked this match to ensure it's him and Blake who qualify from the group. Of course the brilliant Spaniard realised Davydenko and Robredo couldn't possibly be allowed to qualify for the sake of tennis, but knew that Blake might choke against of them. While deliberately losing, he thought it'd be amusing to display some choking worthy of Blake himself, and most other members of this era.

The fun stops now for Nadal though. Watch him double bagel both Davydenko and Robredo before eliminating Nalbandian in the semis and edging a tight match against Roddick in the final.

Monteque
11-13-2006, 08:41 PM
Blake :yeah:

Davy will be a though breakneck for Nadal, and more consistent than Blake. So there are just 2 possibility for Nadal, get lost from Davy and back to home earlier, the other one is he go to the semi and face Fed then back to home later.

CmonAussie
11-13-2006, 08:42 PM
Nadal clearly tanked this match to ensure it's him and Blake who qualify from the group. Of course the brilliant Spaniard realised Davydenko and Robredo couldn't possibly be allowed to qualify for the sake of tennis, but knew that Blake might choke against of them. While deliberately losing, he thought it'd be amusing to display some choking worthy of Blake himself, and most other members of this era.

The fun stops now for Nadal though. Watch him double bagel both Davydenko and Robredo before eliminating Nalbandian in the semis and edging a tight match against Roddick in the final.

:o ~> :o Hello:rolleyes: ...not funny:sad:

sorrowman
11-13-2006, 08:54 PM
Nadal have very poor serve and this is the reason for his lose today and generaly for his bad hardcourt season..2 breaks on first set , 3 breaks on the second set and 1 ace for world No2 are very bad statics....

cobalt60
11-13-2006, 09:00 PM
Just watched. What a great match. They both played well but James just upped the ante when he needed.
Dr Jules- the only stats I saw were as follows:
Blake had 32 winners, 28 errors,4 breaks of serve.
I'd say half those errors were bare misses of his aggressive game and the rest were great Nadal shots.

denibas77
11-13-2006, 09:18 PM
After Sunday's match. :o

Federer doesn't have clue about anything that is not tennis:yawn: :lol:

Johnny Groove
11-13-2006, 09:27 PM
:hatoff: to James. Rafa let him back into both sets. He had breaks in both and should have put it away, but was unable to. His serve and service return were jokes today as well.


*sigh* I also find it funny that the Croatards are so quick to bash another player after theu guy lost yesterday :rolleyes:

Bad Religion
11-13-2006, 09:55 PM
Blake doper .

I sick of the ATP covering to Blake . Come on !! if it's evident .

tangerine_dream
11-13-2006, 09:58 PM
Did ESPN2 ever broadcast the Davydenko-Robredo match today or did they repeat Blake-Nadal?

Sunset of Age
11-13-2006, 09:58 PM
It's RR who cares if he still makes SF or F.

Well, I surely do! ;)

Fedex
11-13-2006, 10:07 PM
Congrats. Blake really seems to have Rafa's number at the moment. Atleast on hardcourts anyway.

Fedex
11-13-2006, 10:08 PM
Did ESPN2 ever broadcast the Davydenko-Robredo match today or did they repeat Blake-Nadal?
Repeat of Blake-Nadal.

Katastrophe
11-13-2006, 10:10 PM
Nice win James! :yeah:

gogogirl
11-13-2006, 10:26 PM
All,

What some us have been saying is that like the rest of the players on the tour - Blake is human - and he can't - I say - just can't - win them all. Only Federer is on the train that usually beats all the rest into the station. But neither is he invincible. I think next year he will lose a few more here and there. And that's what it's about. On any given day.

I've set my clock to 5:00 a.m. for this week. I watched it until is was 4-4, 30/40 on Blake's serve, 2nd set - and then I was out the door. I wished him well - and said to meself - he'll win it in three. So - surprise - surprise - when I got to work and saw that it was 6-6, 2/0 Blake. I was cheering for real then. LOL!

And why don't some get this? In those so-called rinky-dink tourneys Blake won - he beat a couple of players he had never beaten before - and again - it matters not the level of the tourney. Why were the other fellas there? Just to pass the time? Hewitt wanted that Las Vegas win. Haas wanted that one in Florida, Fed wanted that one in IW - and so on and so forth. Keep going forth young man (Blake).

Give him time. Do we honestly think he needs any of us to tell him - he CAN improve in the slams and masters series events eventually, and if it is meant to be? He knows that. And the beauty is - he still has time to try to improve on some things - and achieve some of his goals until he hangs up his sneakers. Surely, he is not the only player that can improve - and wants to. That's why 999% of them play the game. Blake doesn't have to defend his titles. He won them and no one else did. Matter-of-fact - many a player would love to have his record.

Blake goes for broke for real when playing Rafa. Rafa is good at redirecting the ball - but James is quick to get to it. Usually, and at times to his detriment, he hits them back w/interest. Then - he either hits or misses - but the main reason he has improved some this year is that he realizes he has to be patient at times and keep the ball in play. In that way - is how he's been able to keep it in play until he feels he can go for a winner. Sometimes - and just like half the players on the tour - they either hit or miss. (Winners) (Errors)

Rafa is great at defending - but James is too quick off the draw for him - and Berdy too. One thing about the two aforementioned ones - they don't hit it back to their opponent too often. They are trying to find an opening - and against Nadal - they've been able to - IMO.


"CONCEIVE - BELIEVE - ACHIEVE - JAMES"

sawan66278
11-13-2006, 11:02 PM
To me, this was the most devastating loss as a Rafa fan...not because Rafa lost, but because of the way he lost. Now, if Rafa goes on and makes it to the semis, no major harm done. But if, God forbid, he loses to Robredo and Davy, then we are in for a major change next year. I think Rafa will bounce back, but again, no major champion has ever had a period where they have not gone adversity in their career.

Rafa is like a child who got everything when he was young...spoiled with success...Now, with the losses, adulthood has come, and he must learn to fight and bounce back from tough losses. There will be a time when he loses after having match point...there may be a time he loses after having a two sets to none lead...but this can happen in tennis...and it happens to all the great ones. Winning the French your first two times playing, and beating the undisputed #1 one four times in one year...He has to learn as A.I. (Allen Iverson) states, "it ain't all peaches and cream"....and I think he will...

richie21
11-13-2006, 11:18 PM
You and Rofe are too funny. :lol: You don't ever see anyone beating Nadal (except maybe Federer, Berdych or Blake). I think Davydenko has a decent shot. Nadal doesn't seem as confident to me. How often would he let a 4-0 lead slip away? And lose a TB 7-0. Sure it's a match up issue with Blake. But it's not like Blake was playing his absolute best today. Broken twice in the first set and three times in the second.


you should add Joahnsson, Clement,Youznhy and Hewitt on your list :o
face it,Nadal can be beaten by A LOT of players on hard court

Bremen
11-13-2006, 11:20 PM
After Sunday's match. :o

Yikes!

nobama
11-13-2006, 11:41 PM
you should add Joahnsson, Clement,Youznhy and Hewitt on your list :o
face it,Nadal can be beaten by A LOT of players on hard courtI wasn't talking about myself. I don't go into any Nadal match thinking it's a foregone conclusion he's going to win.

Yappa
11-13-2006, 11:47 PM
I just noticed your sig, mirkaland. Did he seriously say that? Or was he just joking??

Metis
11-13-2006, 11:48 PM
Yikes!
:confused: What are you guys talking about? What did Feds say?

EDIT: Oops, sorry, I block signatures. I just saw that :eek:

Katastrophe
11-13-2006, 11:50 PM
:confused: What are you guys talking about? What did Feds say?

The quote that is in Mirkaland's sig about Sigmund Freud...oh dear. :lol:

Metis
11-14-2006, 12:05 AM
The quote that is in Mirkaland's sig about Sigmund Freud...oh dear. :lol:

Yes, I missed that because I block signatures.

:haha: It's really hilarious. I guess most of these guys spend so much time on tennis and things like fashion shows, filming commercials etc that they don't bother opening a book or a newspaper to further their education. It is really interesting how we consider them sophisticated etc just because we are deceived by their designer suits and gowns (and I am not talking just about Feds here, don't start bashing me Fedfans).

mandoura
11-14-2006, 12:06 AM
I had the intention of reading through the whole thread and stopped after page 8 because it was, except for a few posts, more or less the same: Rafa lost mainly because of his serve.

WHAT???

THIS MATCH IS NOT ABOUT RAFA. IT'S ABOUT JAMES JAMES WON THE MATCH. JAMES PLAYED AMAZINGLY. JAMES CONQUERED HIS PAST DEMONS AND CAME BACK FROM 4:0 DOWN TO WIN THE MATCH WITH A FLAWLESS 7:0 TIEBREAK.

Sorry for locking my CAP key for a while but James should be given full credit for this win.

Rafa lost because of his serve? Please !!! What serve? Rafa's game was never about his serve but about his ability to play incredible shots from anywhere, his top-spin, his defensive style turned into an offensive one before his opponent realizes it (and he did all that but James had all the answers). Besides, he is only one break of serve less than James. He broke James as often as James broke him minus one. He was playing really good for someone who has been sidelined from injury for a while. He hit amazing shots.
The point is, James played better. He hit more amazing shots.

Rafa let James back into the game? I don't think so. James let Rafa go up 4:0 before finishing what he started. The match depended on how James played, up or down, not on how Rafa played.

As sad as I am for Rafa's loss, I am very happy for James who totally and convincingly deserves this win.

"It was all about not getting down on myself," said Blake. And indeed it was. Way to go James. :worship:

How about some credit for Blake><!!!

Blake is improving incredibly~>> 1st year in the Top #10, wins 5-titles on 4-continents, makes a TMS final & a grass final to boot!!.... Just accept it~>> Blake is finally showing the results his talent deserves!

PS. Expecting a Federer v Blake final in Shanghai a week from now<:)

Props to Blake, I thought that was the best match Rafa has played against him and he didn't take a set. Apart from his serve, Rafa was pretty solid off the baseline, perhaps his depth wasn't as good as it could've been but Blake was hitting huge and deserved to win.

How Rafa didn't win that 2nd set I'll never know. I'm still confident he can beat Davydenko though.

Blake returns Rafa's serve very well, I can count the number of cheap points Rafa got on one hand. Yes, he didn't serve well but that's not why he lost the match.

Agree Adam........and I also think Nadal will still be in the SF. I don't think Davydenko or Robredo will defeat him.

Blake was playing totaly outstanding tennis, I dont get people who say he was not playing his best. Only when he LET Nadal take a 4-0 lead in the 2nd set because of loss of concentration he didnt play his best tennis. Nadal could do nothing to stop Blake when he was on, Nadal didnt even choke today, he simply could only watch as Blake hit outrageous winners from all over the court.

Nadal even broke to 5-4 only to get broken again. Nadals defense was wonderful but Blakes offense was better.

Only thing that didnt work for Nadal was his serve.

:hatoff: go blake!!!!!:wavey:

Thank you guys for your posts. I was beginning to doubt myself. :wavey:

ServeAlready81
11-14-2006, 12:09 AM
Blake doper .

I sick of the ATP covering to Blake . Come on !! if it's evident .

If you want to talk about a cover up, interesting how all the info leaked about blood doping where Rafa's name came up....and then you didn't hear anything more about it after it was leaked.

Sunset of Age
11-14-2006, 12:19 AM
Well, I stand corrected here, Mandoura.

Let's just conclude that Rafa's serve was ONE of the things that was totally *off* today. By now I'm more worried about his lack of confidence when it really matters.

Rafa = Fed Killa
11-14-2006, 12:29 AM
Good match Blake.

Rafa should use this match to regain form and win the next 2. Beat Fed in the semifinals and then see who he has to play in the finals.

R.Federer
11-14-2006, 12:31 AM
The match was really very entertaining, and the first set was high quality.

Rafa's level fell a lot after he lost his 4 to love lead, and a lot of that also had to do with Blake's astounding shotmaking. Rafa, uncharacteristic lack of belief in his shots, but maybe all he needs is matchplay to get back into the groove. Nevertheless, James looks destined to go through to the last 4.

PamV
11-14-2006, 12:32 AM
I had the intention of reading through the whole thread and stopped after page 8 because it was, except for a few posts, more or less the same: Rafa lost mainly because of his serve.

WHAT???

THIS MATCH IS NOT ABOUT RAFA. IT'S ABOUT JAMES JAMES WON THE MATCH. JAMES PLAYED AMAZINGLY. JAMES CONQUERED HIS PAST DEMONS AND CAME BACK FROM 4:0 DOWN TO WIN THE MATCH WITH A FLAWLESS 7:0 TIEBREAK.



ITA. I don't see how this was all about Nadal's serve problem. It's not as if Nadal has ever depended to win a match all on his serve. He plays like a counter puncher depending on long rallies that the opponent won't be able to keep up with.

Most of the points seemed to hinge on the dynamics of the rallies. Blake was able to keep up in the long rallies and he kept on taking the opportunity to hit a winner when he could. In other words he was agressive and not just letting Nadal dictate. The only times Nadal was dominating was when Blake appeared tired or out of focus at the start of the second set. As soon as Blake snapped out of that it was back to Blake dominating.

Bad Religion
11-14-2006, 01:08 AM
If you want to talk about a cover up, interesting how all the info leaked about blood doping where Rafa's name came up....and then you didn't hear anything more about it after it was leaked.

Blake always sucked and suddenly he exploded :rolleyes: . It´s obvious how a less than ordinary player like Blake raised his ugly game and athletics skills

binkygirl
11-14-2006, 01:33 AM
Wasn't James already 3-0 against Rafa before this match anyway? Rafa might be the grand slam champ, but the way their games match up, James has an obvious advantage. This kind of reminds me of how Brad Gilbert had Boris Becker's number and beat him the first three times they played. Brad is 4-6 vs Becker, not bad for a so-called journeyman player.

sawan66278
11-14-2006, 01:34 AM
I worry about his confidence (Rafa's) in the short term, as well. Emphasis on short term. Rafa is too much of a fighter to not come out of his slump. It may even take a year to reach his peak again (a la Sampras and Becker), but if this is considered a sophomore slump, then most players would take it....

By the way, has Rafa officially withdrawn from the first round of Davis Cup?

~*BGT*~
11-14-2006, 02:42 AM
If you want to talk about a cover up, interesting how all the info leaked about blood doping where Rafa's name came up....and then you didn't hear anything more about it after it was leaked.

:secret: Because it wasn't true, and Rafa's name was cleared.

:wavey:

JustmeUK
11-14-2006, 03:55 AM
match available to dl here on bittorrent

http://www.sladinki007.net/index.php?showtopic=39182

also check out the torrent thread for megaupload download if u prefer a smaller file.

Exodus
11-14-2006, 06:37 AM
even robredo believe that he can beat nadal :haha: nobody is scared of him anymore

WhataQT
11-14-2006, 06:48 AM
Nadal lives to fight another day
By Alix Ramsay in Shanghai
Last Updated: 2:30am GMT 14/11/2006



Whatever anyone else may think of the round-robin format that the ATP are preparing to foist upon the world of tennis next year - and Roger Federer is definitely not a fan - Rafael Nadal is willing to give it a whirl.

He lost his opening match at the Masters Cup 6-4, 7-6 to James Blake but thanks to the all-play-all system at this stage in the competition, he is down but not out.

As the No 2 player in the world, he was supposed to lead the Gold Group but having made his debut at the end-of-season jamboree, he now props up the league table. Still, he has Nikolay Davydenko, whom he has never played, and Tommy Robredo, to whom he has never lost, yet to face - so all is not lost. Davydenko beat Robredo 7-6, 3-6, 6-1 yesterday.

For a man who has tormented Federer for the best part of a year, Nadal seems strangely fragile at the moment. He managed to lose the second set from 4-0 up and was two points away from a 5-1 lead. In the tie-break, he could not win a point. Since the Wimbledon final, he has not been his usual indomitable self and he is not sure what ails him.

"The problem is not my game because I was playing very good with my forehand," he said looking very glum indeed. "I have good passing shots, the same like last year. I feel I'm playing good, but in the important moments I lost my confidence, so that's decisive.

"If I win one of the matches it can all change. So I hope to win the next one." Luckily for Nadal, the round-robin format affords him the luxury of a "next one".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?xml=/sport/2006/11/14/strafa14.xml

R.Federer
11-14-2006, 06:59 AM
I guess most of these guys spend so much time on tennis and things like fashion shows, filming commercials etc that they don't bother opening a book or a newspaper to further their education. It is really interesting how we consider them sophisticated etc just because we are deceived by their designer suits and gowns (and I am not talking just about Feds here, don't start bashing me Fedfans).

True, but the idiot journalist also did not recognize that Freud is Austrian not Schweiz! (Maybe that's why Roge got confused :angel: )

mandoura
11-14-2006, 11:55 AM
I just noticed your sig, mirkaland. Did he seriously say that? Or was he just joking??

I would like to believe that, yeah, he was joking. ;)

Good match Blake.

Rafa should use this match to regain form and win the next 2. Beat Fed in the semifinals and then see who he has to play in the finals.

With posts like that, calling you a "tard" should not be allowed. :hug:

True, but the idiot journalist also did not recognize that Freud is Austrian not Schweiz! (Maybe that's why Roge got confused :angel: )

That's what I was thinking too. :)

Experimentee
11-15-2006, 02:55 AM
Awesome match by James, he played his best tennis and only had a let down at the start of the 2nd set.

Rafa was playing very well too, some of his passing shots were incredible! James could not win the point by coming to the net on anything less than superb.

I would say the outcome was mainly to do with James, he was forcing the play, hit more winners and less UEs. His game seems to match up well against Nadal. Hopefully James can continue and beat Davydenko and Robredo too.

Experimentee
11-15-2006, 03:04 AM
I didn't see this match but sounds like Blake played well. He has a good record against Nadal and has had a good year. His quotes after the match therefore seem a little bit false.

http://www.tiscali.co.uk/news/newswire.php/news/reuters/2006/11/13/sport/battling-blake-upsets-nadal-at-masters-cup.html&template=/sport/feeds/story_template.html

"Iím not one of the last guys, I actually am ítheí last guy," Blake said after his first Masters Cup match. "Iím the guy thatís supposed to be the easy matchup...which doesnít help my confidence too much. But Iím just happy to be here."

I think he tries a little too hard to be the charismatic, diplomatic nice guy rather than be honest. Does he really think he's the easy guy to beat here? The one who is out of his depth and no one gives him a hope of winning matches? I doubt it.

James said that he was the one who was "supposed" to be an easy match, not that he actually thought he was an easy match. It just means that he thinks that some people underestimate him because he is the lowest ranked. I also think he is just saying that to take the pressure off himself, make himself feel like the underdog.

Derek1206
11-15-2006, 03:36 AM
Rafa. :sad:

Good luck in your next match! :scared: :yeah: