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Where are today's Connors and McEnroes? Tennis needs more colour

Sportingo
11-12-2006, 08:53 AM
Seniors showcase their aching limbs better than the young millionaire maestros:

http://www.sportingo.com/tennis/where-are-todays-connors-and-mcenroes-tennis-needs-more-colour/1001,814

Naranoc
11-12-2006, 09:01 AM
Is it the big money that is ruining the show? Are players too serious on the court and do they forget they are out there first - and most important - to perform?

Peform what? Tennis to a high quality or antics to keep the crowd amused and the umpire pissed off?

vogus
11-12-2006, 03:36 PM
Seniors showcase their aching limbs better than the young millionaire maestros:

http://www.sportingo.com/tennis/where-are-todays-connors-and-mcenroes-tennis-needs-more-colour/1001,814


who writes this fucking garbage? The only thing i can assume from this type of stuff is that people were really, REALLY stupid and/or on drugs in the 1970s. It's like, go to the circus and watch the clowns if that's the kind of entertainment you prefer.

Sunset of Age
11-12-2006, 05:16 PM
Is that author working for the ATP?

Pomat
11-12-2006, 08:41 PM
Seniors showcase their aching limbs better than the young millionaire maestros:

http://www.sportingo.com/tennis/where-are-todays-connors-and-mcenroes-tennis-needs-more-colour/1001,814

just remember charity event at IW last year
the young millionaire maestros performed a really entertaining show

e.g. Marat and Andy's tiebreak and mixed doubles :haha:


but the author's right, at the moment we need more charismatic players

PamV
11-12-2006, 08:50 PM
Seniors showcase their aching limbs better than the young millionaire maestros:

http://www.sportingo.com/tennis/where-are-todays-connors-and-mcenroes-tennis-needs-more-colour/1001,814

I disagree with this statement:

"Are players too serious on the court and do they forget they are out there first - and most important - to perform? "

The players are there to win tennis matches first.

The author is saying that the current crop aren't colorful enough to suit him but I think in reality in the old days there wasn't constant colorful antics. That happened once in a while and now people are remembering that as if the players were constantly putting on a show. They weren't. We have incidences now too once in a while. Remember Keifer throwing his racket at Grosjean? Remember Berdych shushing the crowd???

Personally I do see lots of charisma in tennis right now. Just because there is no whiney brat boy like Connors or McEnroe does not mean there is no charisma. I never thought Connors or McEnroe had true charisma....they were brats and they took one's attention....but that's not charisma. Borg had the charisma and he was quiet on court and a gentleman.

PamV
11-12-2006, 08:53 PM
who writes this fucking garbage? The only thing i can assume from this type of stuff is that people were really, REALLY stupid and/or on drugs in the 1970s. It's like, go to the circus and watch the clowns if that's the kind of entertainment you prefer.

Another question I would have is does this mean the author thought that Laver and Borg were boring? So to him was it more important to have someone throw tantrums or more important to win tournaments ?

cobalt60
11-12-2006, 08:54 PM
Agree that Connors,JMac, Nastase,and Tiriac would act like petulant kids sometimes. I enjoyed watching Borg,Vilas,Smith and that caliber so much more. Isn't it entertaining enough to watch tactics and incredible shots?

tangerine_dream
11-12-2006, 09:04 PM
I get tired of these nostalgic "good old days" types of articles where people whine about how great yesteryear was with wooden rackets, most players serving and volleying, and the puerile antics of Nastase and Connors, etc. were celebrated. It's a bygone era. Time to let the 60s and 70s go and enjoy the good old days of today, which has just as many colorful characters, they just havve a different way of expressing themselves. :)

MarieS
11-12-2006, 09:31 PM
:yawn:
I can guarantee you that during the mcenroe and connors era writers were waxing nostalgic about the gentlemen who used to play the game. And when the next wave of brats comes along, people will be longing for this era to be back.Combination of human nature and nothing-else-to-write-about-so-let's-whine-about-lack-of-characters syndrome :shrug:

PamV
11-12-2006, 09:42 PM
Agree that Connors,JMac, Nastase,and Tiriac would act like petulant kids sometimes. I enjoyed watching Borg,Vilas,Smith and that caliber so much more. Isn't it entertaining enough to watch tactics and incredible shots?


Yes, and if someone were to throw tantrums all the time that would get boring any way. I don't think people necesarilly liked McEnroe and Connors when they were in their prime. It's only looking back through rose colored glasses that people are missing those antics.

Raquel
11-12-2006, 11:31 PM
These kind of articles are always popping up. Connors and McEnroe were characters, but that schtick would get old very fast. Look at John McEnroe now on the seniors tour wheeling out his angry routine like a performing seal because otherwise the fans won't be happy. They expect a tantrum but it's all so forced and rehearsed now. He's pushing 50 and screaming about line calls and linemen. It's tragic.

NicoFan
11-12-2006, 11:44 PM
The author is saying that the current crop aren't colorful enough to suit him but I think in reality in the old days there wasn't constant colorful antics. That happened once in a while and now people are remembering that as if the players were constantly putting on a show. They weren't. We have incidences now too once in a while. Remember Keifer throwing his racket at Grosjean? Remember Berdych shushing the crowd???

Personally I do see lots of charisma in tennis right now. Just because there is no whiney brat boy like Connors or McEnroe does not mean there is no charisma. I never thought Connors or McEnroe had true charisma....they were brats and they took one's attention....but that's not charisma. Borg had the charisma and he was quiet on court and a gentleman.

There wasn't constant antics - mostly it was great tennis...as today. People just play up the misbehavior because it sells.

But I disagree that Mac and Connors didn't have charisma, and another post where you said that they weren't liked. Are you old enough to remember those days or are you just basing your opinion on what you've read and what others have said? I did watch them in their prime, and they definitely did have charisma. And they were very much loved...or hated. And that's good. Good guys vs. bad guys always creates excitement. Its the basis of most books and films...and sport.

Action Jackson
11-12-2006, 11:47 PM
But I disagree that Mac and Connors didn't have charisma, and another post where you said that they weren't liked. Are you old enough to remember those days or are you just basing your opinion on what you've read and what others have said? I did watch them in their prime, and they definitely did have charisma. And they were very much loved...or hated. And that's good. Good guys vs. bad guys always creates excitement. Its the basis of most books and films...and sport.

I saw enough of them to know they were boorish buffoons, albeit talented boorish buffons.

Deboogle!.
11-13-2006, 12:19 AM
I saw enough of them to know they were boorish buffoons, albeit talented boorish buffons.One man's boorish buffoon might be another's likable entertainment:)

Merton
11-13-2006, 12:48 AM
Somehow that reminded me of Mr. Disney remarks that the game should add in the entertainment direction and we needed heroes and villains.:scared:

atheneglaukopis
11-13-2006, 02:20 AM
:yawn:
I can guarantee you that during the mcenroe and connors era writers were waxing nostalgic about the gentlemen who used to play the game. And when the next wave of brats comes along, people will be longing for this era to be back.Combination of human nature and nothing-else-to-write-about-so-let's-whine-about-lack-of-characters syndrome :shrug:Likewise, threads from the post-Sampras-pre-Federer era are bumped periodically for illustration purposes, whining about how it was so boring because nobody was dominating. :rolleyes:

vogus
11-13-2006, 03:02 AM
Look at John McEnroe now on the seniors tour wheeling out his angry routine like a performing seal because otherwise the fans won't be happy. They expect a tantrum but it's all so forced and rehearsed now. He's pushing 50 and screaming about line calls and linemen. It's tragic.




I feel sorry for John McEnroe. Forget about what he did back in his heyday. It's like, does the guy have any dignity, does he have any self-respect? To be going out and throwing fake tantrums, just for show, on a tennis court at his age... he must really have no pride. It's not like he needs the money. I guess he thinks if he doesn't throw the tantrums, people won't come to watch him play.

oz_boz
11-13-2006, 09:58 AM
Today's Connors and McEnroes have better things to do than whining and smashing water bottles. Lots of entertainment in tennis for anyone who bothers watching, Fed and Nadal making history. But that may not be entertaining enough if you are an ultrapatriotic American.

Action Jackson
11-13-2006, 10:36 AM
One man's boorish buffoon might be another's likable entertainment:)

Considering it was their antics that led to the change of the Code of Conduct rules and then you have clowns complaining that there were no characters.

Connors and John McEnroe likeable that's a good one.

TennisOz
11-13-2006, 02:28 PM
Not tennis related but I like the GBS and Churchill comments! Another one of a similar ilk which happened at a political rally in Australia with Sir Robert Menzies (PM) addressing the gathering.

Heckler yells out 'tell us all you know Bob, I've got a spare minute'.

Laughter dies down and Menzies replies 'I'll tell you all we both know and it won't take any longer'!

On the subject of the so-called past 'characters' of the game I recall the comment of one Brian Clough, former football manager. 'If you want to see clowns, go to the circus'.

McEnroe was a talented player but boorish and a cheat as well. I mean cheat in the sense of the way he manipulated his opponent with his antics. The rules were changed to make the current generation 'less colourful' because of him. The Aussie umpire did the game a great favour when he defaulted him.

I can think of nothing worse now than watching a tennis match with McEnroe commenting on it. You are not allowed to watch the game because of his constant talk, invariably about how great he once was. Wimbledon coverage with muted sound a must! On the subject of that most American commentators are the same. Sky Sports in the UK regularly trot out Leif Shiras and at the US Open a woman with a name which escapes me, they never shut up (must be what American audiences are used to). Elise Burgin, it just came back to me!

On the subject of the sadness of McEnroe getting up to his old routine on the Seniors tour I agree but remember the audience. They are invariably the same ones who buy the 70's and 80's music. They go along to rekindle their youth in the mistaken belief that they (or McEnroe) haven't aged. They expect McEnroe to act as though he (and they) were in their 20's again. It's the old adage about giving the audience what they want.

TennisOz :)



Somehow that reminded me of Mr. Disney remarks that the game should add in the entertainment direction and we needed heroes and villains.:scared:

cobalt60
11-13-2006, 02:54 PM
Well I have a friend who recently went to the Memphis tournie and much of the audience were NOT happy about Mac's usual boorish antics. Thankfully maybe the audience has grown up;)

Angle Queen
11-13-2006, 03:09 PM
Long, long-time Mac fan here...but NOT of his antics. I always thought they rather took away from his skills on the court and that he would truly be likeable...without them.

vogus
11-13-2006, 07:21 PM
It's the old adage about giving the audience what they want.




and that, my friend, is exactly the point. Just because the audience wants something stupid, doesn't mean McEnroe has to give it to them. He is in a position to frame his post-ATP career image as he likes, yet he chooses this?

Maybe he's depressed because when he actually tried to do something original (his talk show) it bombed, so he's gone back to the only kind of entertainment he knows - acting like an idiot on a tennis court.

NicoFan
11-13-2006, 08:02 PM
Ahhhh....so much hatred, so little time.

Do any of you ever find the good in people? Why do you all only focus on the "bad" parts of players?

Yes, Johnny Mac behaved like a brat at times. He has anger management problems. But he has many good points - he's charitable, he helps the other players out, and small point, but since I live in NY, he's the only one that ever stands up for the fans who go to the US Open.

I've said this a lot, but I'd like to see some of you under the microscope of the public eye. You'd fail, because based on your posts, you are all far from perfect yourselves.

DrJules
11-13-2006, 08:11 PM
Considering it was their antics that led to the change of the Code of Conduct rules and then you have clowns complaining that there were no characters.

Connors and John McEnroe likeable that's a good one.

I think the "Code of Conduct rules" was a very good idea because the way McEnroe and Connors behaved was unacceptable. Insulting and abusing umpires can never be acceptable or appropriate conduct.

MisterQ
11-13-2006, 08:49 PM
Long, long-time Mac fan here...but NOT of his antics. I always thought they rather took away from his skills on the court and that he would truly be likeable...without them.

Same here. I don't see any reason to yearn for that behavior on the court again.

Those volleys, that touch... now that's another matter. ;)

r2473
11-13-2006, 10:25 PM
:yawn:
I can guarantee you that during the mcenroe and connors era writers were waxing nostalgic about the gentlemen who used to play the game.

How true. Though McEnore and Connors were very good players, they were also a$$holes pure and simple.

I would much rather watch Federer, Sampras, or Lendl simply take care of business in a calm, professional manner (this might be something that Agassi picked up on later in his career).

r2473
11-13-2006, 10:38 PM
I can think of nothing worse now than watching a tennis match with McEnroe commenting on it. You are not allowed to watch the game because of his constant talk, invariably about how great he once was.
TennisOz :)

That is actually not true. He seems to go out of his way not to talk about his past achievements or compare himself to current players or tell a story about his past conquests during television broadcasts. Sometimes he is prompted by Enberg, but he tries to kill it as fast as possible.

In fact, his tennis commentary is pretty interesting and insightful (but then again, I am American, so I may simply be proving rather than refuting your point).

However, I do watch most sports with the sound off because I can't stand the commentary. John McEnroe is one exception (like most, I can't stand to listen to Pat McEnroe (or Gilbert or Courier)).

The only other american commentator I like to listen to is Joe Morgan with baseball. That is one man who knows his stuff. His insights into baseball games are pure pleasure.

Naranoc
11-13-2006, 10:56 PM
Somehow that reminded me of Mr. Disney remarks that the game should add in the entertainment direction and we needed heroes and villains.:scared:

:lol:

That just uncovered his plans to tun tennis into some sort of epic movie battle on-court, begining with casting Ljubicic as Gollum :scared:

NicoFan
11-13-2006, 11:25 PM
That is actually not true. He seems to go out of his way not to talk about his past achievements or compare himself to current players or tell a story about his past conquests during television broadcasts. Sometimes he is prompted by Enberg, but he tries to kill it as fast as possible.

In fact, his tennis commentary is pretty interesting and insightful (but then again, I am American, so I may simply be proving rather than refuting your point).

However, I do watch most sports with the sound off because I can't stand the commentary. John McEnroe is one exception (like most, I can't stand to listen to Pat McEnroe (or Gilbert or Courier)).

The only other american commentator I like to listen to is Joe Morgan with baseball. That is one man who knows his stuff. His insights into baseball games are pure pleasure.

You're on MTF - the truth doesn't matter here.

I love John's tennis commentary too - he's one of the best out there. :yeah:

Action Jackson
11-14-2006, 03:23 AM
I think the "Code of Conduct rules" was a very good idea because the way McEnroe and Connors behaved was unacceptable. Insulting and abusing umpires can never be acceptable or appropriate conduct.

Well come on if McEnroe and Connors did that to the officials, it had to have been interesting. I thought you knew that already it was interesting and charismatic.

McEnroe as a player well that is a different story.

PamV
11-14-2006, 05:33 AM
I can think of nothing worse now than watching a tennis match with McEnroe commenting on it. You are not allowed to watch the game because of his constant talk, invariably about how great he once was. Wimbledon coverage with muted sound a must! On the subject of that most American commentators are the same. Sky Sports in the UK regularly trot out Leif Shiras and at the US Open a woman with a name which escapes me, they never shut up (must be what American audiences are used to). Elise Burgin, it just came back to me!



I don't think John McEnroe talks constantly as much as his younger brother Patrick does while commentating. He talks about other matches and other players apparently forgetting about the on going match at hand. This is not what American audiences want but it must be network heads think we want. There's a whole mentally of giving us morning talk shows with shrill empty headed babbling people and that is suppose to equate action and entertainment. This seems to carry over in to sports coverage commentating.

PamV
11-14-2006, 05:35 AM
Long, long-time Mac fan here...but NOT of his antics. I always thought they rather took away from his skills on the court and that he would truly be likeable...without them.

Mac said that he would purposely get himself angry and throw a tantrum because that helped him up his level of play. He also used to psych himself up by thinking that he hated his opponent even if he never met the guy.

PamV
11-14-2006, 05:52 AM
You're on MTF - the truth doesn't matter here.

I love John's tennis commentary too - he's one of the best out there. :yeah:

McEnroe is funny at times in his commentary and he doesn't usually talk unless it's necessary. He waits for a point to be over instead of talking while the point is under way. (Patrick talks during the point about totally unrelated things)

There was one time I will never forget .....McEnroe was commentating during Sampras v. Rusedski in USOpen 2002 3rd round. McEnroe began making fun of the way Rusedski had a nervous tick of constantly pulling up his socks on every point eventhough they didn't need to be pulled up. Before the match Rusedski had said that Sampras was over the hill and would never win another major. So McEnroe was taking delight at raking him over the coals during that match and he had me in stitches. And of course Sampras won the title.

So yes, McEnroe has a sense of humor. I don't like lately how he turned on Federer when he didn't win the French Open. Why did he say that Federer would be the greatest of all time if he won that final. Then because he didn't win it, JMac started talking like Federer was washed up? I never got why the one match would make such a day and night difference. He seemed to ignore the fact the fact that it was a big deal for Federer just to make it to all those finals. It's not like Federer waits all year just to play on clay and has lots of energy just for that.

*Ljubica*
11-14-2006, 08:04 AM
I've said it before and I'll say it again....... why do some people always confuse "charismatic" with being loud, rude, badly behaved and obnoxious? I am old enough to remember McEnroe and Connors - didn't like them or their antics then, and my opinion of people who behave like that on court hasn't changed now. Growing up I loved Borg, Vilas and Wilander because they knew how to behave and let their tennis do the talking. Borg was one of the most "charismatic" players out there in his own way without all the screaming, racquet throwing antics. True, McEnroe especially, was a truly talented player - but his behaviour always made to root against him - I go to watch tennis, not grown men behaving like brattish 2-year-olds throwing a tantrum - I find it demeaning and embarrassing.

Puschkin
11-14-2006, 08:10 AM
:mad: I am sick of this desire for the past. I have been watching tennis for a long time, but I always preferred those playing at the moment compared to the "past" generation. Instead of moaning, take a careful look, there is much to be admired in the current top players.

TennisOz
11-14-2006, 09:11 AM
Cultural difference obviously! McEnroe has to be centre stage when he is commentating on a match which to me is not what a commentator is about. Talking while the rally in progress is a 'no no' to me, McEnroe rarely stops. As I said, we also get Leif Shiras, Elise Burgin, forgot to mention Peter Fleming who is on every week - another who never stops talking, invariably about 'Johnny Mac and me' and talks during the points. If you like your commentary to be insightful it is a pity you don't get Frew McMillan.

TennisOz:)

That is actually not true. He seems to go out of his way not to talk about his past achievements or compare himself to current players or tell a story about his past conquests during television broadcasts. Sometimes he is prompted by Enberg, but he tries to kill it as fast as possible.

In fact, his tennis commentary is pretty interesting and insightful (but then again, I am American, so I may simply be proving rather than refuting your point).

However, I do watch most sports with the sound off because I can't stand the commentary. John McEnroe is one exception (like most, I can't stand to listen to Pat McEnroe (or Gilbert or Courier)).

The only other american commentator I like to listen to is Joe Morgan with baseball. That is one man who knows his stuff. His insights into baseball games are pure pleasure.

TennisOz
11-14-2006, 09:16 AM
McEnroe probably thinks he is the greatest player of all time so if he gets an opportunity to put down Federer, who is clearly better, then he will do it. In a similar manner, players from the past like to talk up Laver, McEnroe, Connors etc because they think it makes them look better. Again, personal preferences come into things, I find McEnroe as amusing as a visit to the dentist.

TennisOz:)

McEnroe is funny at times in his commentary and he doesn't usually talk unless it's necessary. He waits for a point to be over instead of talking while the point is under way. (Patrick talks during the point about totally unrelated things)

There was one time I will never forget .....McEnroe was commentating during Sampras v. Rusedski in USOpen 2002 3rd round. McEnroe began making fun of the way Rusedski had a nervous tick of constantly pulling up his socks on every point eventhough they didn't need to be pulled up. Before the match Rusedski had said that Sampras was over the hill and would never win another major. So McEnroe was taking delight at raking him over the coals during that match and he had me in stitches. And of course Sampras won the title.

So yes, McEnroe has a sense of humor. I don't like lately how he turned on Federer when he didn't win the French Open. Why did he say that Federer would be the greatest of all time if he won that final. Then because he didn't win it, JMac started talking like Federer was washed up? I never got why the one match would make such a day and night difference. He seemed to ignore the fact the fact that it was a big deal for Federer just to make it to all those finals. It's not like Federer waits all year just to play on clay and has lots of energy just for that.

Monteque
11-14-2006, 10:07 AM
For me, Agassi has the biggest charisma of all players and very respected from them all.

I just don't get it what the hell that the article says. I believe there are many players have such a charisma that making the match very interesting nowadays, ex: Safin, Hewitt, Roddick, or even Baghdatis. But we all know that todays tennis is all about Federer, so maybe their charisma is obscured by it.:devil:

alfonsojose
11-14-2006, 04:03 PM
colour = being a complete asshole. No thanks :rolleyes:

cobalt60
11-14-2006, 04:06 PM
Well almost everyone who has posted seems to disagree with the article.
Yes they are great players (and yeah on Connors for giving ARod a shove) but hardly anyone liked their antics.
Nice post Rosie:)

r2473
11-14-2006, 04:17 PM
Cultural difference obviously! McEnroe has to be centre stage when he is commentating on a match which to me is not what a commentator is about. Talking while the rally in progress is a 'no no' to me, McEnroe rarely stops. As I said, we also get Leif Shiras, Elise Burgin, forgot to mention Peter Fleming who is on every week - another who never stops talking, invariably about 'Johnny Mac and me' and talks during the points. If you like your commentary to be insightful it is a pity you don't get Frew McMillan.

TennisOz:)

I get what you are saying and you are 100% right. I think I am comparing McEnroe to American football or basketball or baseball (except Joe Morgan) or golf commentary. Compared to these people, he is a pleasure to listen to. But, I do have tapes of Wimbledon coverage on the BBC. I much prefer that to anything in America (but I would be in the extreme minority here).

The "American way" of commentary started (I think) with Howard Cosell. And though I liked his boxing commentary (to a certain extent...probably in the same way I like McEnroe in tennis), I liked Don Dumphy(sic?) much better. None of the antics and endless jabber. I think (as you have pointed out) that my standards have been dramatically lowered (thanks for the wakeup call).

*Ljubica*
11-14-2006, 06:07 PM
I get what you are saying and you are 100% right. I think I am comparing McEnroe to American football or basketball or baseball (except Joe Morgan) or golf commentary. Compared to these people, he is a pleasure to listen to. But, I do have tapes of Wimbledon coverage on the BBC. I much prefer that to anything in America (but I would be in the extreme minority here).

The "American way" of commentary started (I think) with Howard Cosell. And though I liked his boxing commentary (to a certain extent...probably in the same way I like McEnroe in tennis), I liked Don Dumphy(sic?) much better. None of the antics and endless jabber. I think (as you have pointed out) that my standards have been dramatically lowered (thanks for the wakeup call).

Our commentators here in the UK tend to say as little as possible - and I prefer it that way :) There is time for chat and analysis at the end of the match, or perhaps during a change of ends or in a rain delay - too much chat distracts from the tennis in my opinion.

r2473
11-14-2006, 08:12 PM
Our commentators here in the UK tend to say as little as possible - and I prefer it that way :) There is time for chat and analysis at the end of the match, or perhaps during a change of ends or in a rain delay - too much chat distracts from the tennis in my opinion.

100% agreed!!

DrJules
11-14-2006, 09:39 PM
I can think of nothing worse now than watching a tennis match with McEnroe commenting on it. You are not allowed to watch the game because of his constant talk, invariably about how great he once was.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Does that include how he lost a French Open final after leading Lendl by 2 sets to love.

Action Jackson
11-17-2006, 10:09 AM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Does that include how he lost a French Open final after leading Lendl by 2 sets to love.

He lead a break as well which makes it better.

TennisOz
11-17-2006, 12:52 PM
Agassi lost a FO final to Andres Gomez. No disrespect to Andres but Andres Gomez! He lost the next year too from memory (1990 Gomez, 1991 Courier?)

TennisOz

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Does that include how he lost a French Open final after leading Lendl by 2 sets to love.

Action Jackson
11-17-2006, 01:03 PM
Agassi lost a FO final to Andres Gomez. No disrespect to Andres but Andres Gomez! He lost the next year too from memory (1990 Gomez, 1991 Courier?)

TennisOz

What does Agassihole have to do with this subject/

TennisOz
11-17-2006, 02:10 PM
Are you the resident forum policeman or woman or something? Is it a heavy jail sentence for straying off the thread title? Someone mentions McEnroe losing a FO final from a winning position, I say Agassi lost a FO final against someone he never should have. Big deal, so it wasn't about the 2 brats!

I note that the Canas thread has disappeared or been moved too. For those that missed it I made the flippant remark to the news that Canas is in the Argentine squad for the Davis Cup final that they could put out a good Davis Cup team of players who have failed drug tests (i.e. Canas and Puerta). Presumably another forum policeman or woman is frightened by the prospect of litigation or is worried the pale blue white and yellow posters from silver (i.e. argent) land will be offended or something and the thread has been removed.

TennisOz :)

What does Agassihole have to do with this subject/

Action Jackson
11-17-2006, 02:14 PM
Are you the resident forum policeman or woman or something? Is it a heavy jail sentence for straying off the thread title? Someone mentions McEnroe losing a FO final from a winning position, I say Agassi lost a FO final against someone he never should have. Big deal, so it wasn't about the 2 brats!

I note that the Canas thread has disappeared or been moved too. For those that missed it I made the flippant remark to the news that Canas is in the Argentine squad for the Davis Cup final that they could put out a good Davis Cup team of players who have failed drug tests (i.e. Canas and Puerta). Presumably another forum policeman or woman is frightened by the prospect of litigation or is worried the pale blue and white posters will be offended or something and the thread has been removed.

TennisOz :)

Just asked a question that is all. no more and no less and if you want to play, then lets go honey :)

McEnroe was never the favourite against Lendl on a claycourt that is obvious enough, but Gomez handled Agassi very easily and wasn't this thread originally about Connors and McEnroe.

What about the Cañas? I wouldn't know I don't have any power in GM, just read the sticky guidelines and that will see what you can and can't get away with.

*Ljubica*
11-17-2006, 02:17 PM
Are you the resident forum policeman or woman or something? Is it a heavy jail sentence for straying off the thread title? Someone mentions McEnroe losing a FO final from a winning position, I say Agassi lost a FO final against someone he never should have. Big deal, so it wasn't about the 2 brats!

I note that the Canas thread has disappeared or been moved too. For those that missed it I made the flippant remark to the news that Canas is in the Argentine squad for the Davis Cup final that they could put out a good Davis Cup team of players who have failed drug tests (i.e. Canas and Puerta). Presumably another forum policeman or woman is frightened by the prospect of litigation or is worried the pale blue white and yellow posters from silver (i.e. argent) land will be offended or something and the thread has been removed.

TennisOz :)


The thread you posted in has just been amalgamated with the main one about the DC Final. The Mods have to do that to keep the Board clearer and stop duplicate threads all over the place. As far as I know, the post of yours that you mention has not been deleted.

TennisOz
11-17-2006, 02:25 PM
One of the problems with forums is that you can't always pick up on the tone of the poster. What has Agassi (in derogatory terms) got to do with this thread is usually interpreted by me to be a sarcastic question. Apologies if I took it the wrong way. What has Agassi got to do with the thread - well, he is often quoted as a person of the modern era with colour and charisma so it refutes the implied judgement in the thread title that there aren't players with colour and charisma today (OK Agassi finished a few months back at Flushing Meadow).

I would rather see the joy and colour of a Marcus Baghdatis or the sheer skill of a Federer than the 'spit the dummy' (good Aussie expression), spoiled brat antics of Connors and McEnroe, no matter how talented and determined they were.

What's Argentina got to do with it? Because you replied to my comments in the thread which was removed so this was a perfect vehicle for me to comment on its removal. Someone else removed the Canas thread I know. I just stated facts - 2 players (one of them twice) who were convicted and served bans, albeit reduced on appeal, of drug offences. I can't be bothered reading the rules, I know what they usually say and I didn't say anything really which isn't in the public domain.

TennisOz :)

Just asked a question that is all. no more and no less and if you want to play, then lets go honey :)

McEnroe was never the favourite against Lendl on a claycourt that is obvious enough, but Gomez handled Agassi very easily and wasn't this thread originally about Connors and McEnroe.

What about the Cañas? I wouldn't know I don't have any power in GM, just read the sticky guidelines and that will see what you can and can't get away with.

Kip
11-17-2006, 03:04 PM
I get tired of these nostalgic "good old days" types of articles where people whine about how great yesteryear was with wooden rackets, most players serving and volleying, and the puerile antics of Nastase and Connors, etc. were celebrated. It's a bygone era. Time to let the 60s and 70s go and enjoy the good old days of today, which has just as many colorful characters, they just havve a different way of expressing themselves. :)

My sentiments exactly!

Besides, the media landscape and invasive coverage of
public personalities is far far far far more severe and
than anything those guys had ever faced in their heyday.

Everything has evolved and changed as things do with time
and people need to get over it and stop living in the past.

The fact that they want for people to put on aires and be
anything other than whom they are is sad and IMO speaks
volumes about them and how they truly feel about tennis
as a sport. Some players are whom they are and some will
play into what others what or feel the need for them to be.

IMO, this all stems from the fact that the high profile of tennis
isn't what it used to be. One thing being, tennis has far more
competition in the sports arena and offers something that is great in
the individual sports sense, but cannot equate to the feeling of what
a team sport offers. Tennis also, unlike team sports has no regional
loyalties which offer built-in fans, especially in the US. If i were a player
from the city of LA it doesn't mean I'm gonna get hometown loyalty or
support on the scale or anywhere nearing the scale of say the Lakers.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but these guys really need
to just shut up and let it progress as is and let it come to be what it
will for the fact that anything resembling the forcing of trying to mold,
change, or guide players into what is good for their agenda only comes
off as totally patheitc and desperate.

Things grow and evolve in their own time.

TennisOz
11-17-2006, 03:28 PM
Ah thanks, new to this forum, the other ones I subscribe to show a thread in its old place with the word moved against it and when you click on it you get taken to the new location.

TennisOz:)

The thread you posted in has just been amalgamated with the main one about the DC Final. The Mods have to do that to keep the Board clearer and stop duplicate threads all over the place. As far as I know, the post of yours that you mention has not been deleted.