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Federer def Nalbandian 3-6 6-1 6-1

El Legenda
11-12-2006, 06:38 AM
David thought it was a best of 1 :confused:

Johnny Groove
11-12-2006, 06:39 AM
ok, now that the warmup is done, bring on the MAIN EVENT!!! Go Roddick!

Lee
11-12-2006, 06:39 AM
I thought it's best of 5 :tape:

nobama
11-12-2006, 06:40 AM
Nalbandian. :retard: What an embarrassment! He was totally kicking Fed’s ass in the first set. How the hell does he lose the next two 1 and 1?!?

Deathless Mortal
11-12-2006, 06:40 AM
David played very well in the first set, but after that he was deconcentrated, won only 2 games. But congratulations to him for winning a set, and congratulations to Fed for another great comeback.

atheneglaukopis
11-12-2006, 06:40 AM
No, David thought it was best of 5 and planned to pull it out 12-10 in a 5th set tiebreak.

Deathless Mortal
11-12-2006, 06:40 AM
Go Ljubicic!!!

lucashg
11-12-2006, 06:41 AM
David thought it was a best of 1 :confused:

Definitely. :o :help:

But anyway - congrats, Roger!

Rogiman
11-12-2006, 06:41 AM
Judging by the way the match played out, I'm afraid Nalbandian has a bipolar disorder :help:

Bremen
11-12-2006, 06:41 AM
David thought it was a best of 1 :confused:

hahahaha!!

Fed had 30 winners and 17 unforced errors...good job!

Flibbertigibbet
11-12-2006, 06:42 AM
:tape: That looked like a tank job in the third set, seriously. I hope Nalbandian can pick his steadiness of level against Ljubicic and Roddick, I want him to get to the semis, and he was really playing well in that first set.

Metis
11-12-2006, 06:42 AM
:haha:

Nalbandian :smash:
He just checked out after the 1st set, right when everyone was thinking Feds would get an embarassing beating... Roger didn't even have to do anything to win the last 2 sets. David was happy to donate them :lol:

rofe
11-12-2006, 06:43 AM
Whoa! Nalby completely outplayed Fed in the 1st then lost the plot in his typical Nalby way. Fed's first serve percentage climbed up and it was curtains for Nalby.

Have to give credit to Fed though for playing a safe game while Nalby self-destructed.

Johnny Groove
11-12-2006, 06:43 AM
Nalbandian had a lunch reservation :tape:

Sutti
11-12-2006, 06:44 AM
David just not focused on his first serve...

mangoes
11-12-2006, 06:44 AM
Nalbandian played the 1st set at his very best level of play, but was unable to keep the level of play up especially as Roger began to lift his level of play. Congrats Roger:hug:


ok, now that the warmup is done, bring on the MAIN EVENT!!! Go Roddick!

:ras: :ras: :ras:

Rogiman
11-12-2006, 06:44 AM
:haha:

Nalbandian :smash:
He just checked out after the 1st set, right when everyone was thinking Feds would get an embarassing beating... Roger didn't even have to do anything to win the last 2 sets. David was happy to donate them :lol:Well, to be honest, the only thing that kept me optimistic to some degree was knowing Nalbandian couldn't win ANY match in straight sets :lol:

Bremen
11-12-2006, 06:45 AM
Well, to be honest, the only thing that kept me optimistic to some degree was knowing Nalbandian couldn't win ANY match in straight sets :lol:

He's like Mauresmo that way.

darnyelb
11-12-2006, 06:45 AM
maybe he got hungry for breadsticks? strange result. Happy Federer got through though.

NYCtennisfan
11-12-2006, 06:46 AM
Federer started playing a lot better at the beginning of the 2nd set and then Nalbandian's level dropped. I was really surprised about the 3rd set though. I thought Fat Dave would come out swinging but couldn't win any rally at all.

RogiFan88
11-12-2006, 06:46 AM
silly, silly match... good night! ;)

RogiFan88
11-12-2006, 06:46 AM
Federer started playing a lot better at the beginning of the 2nd set and then Nalbandian's level dropped. I was really surprised about the 3rd set though. I thought Fat Dave would come out swinging but couldn't win any rally at all.

perhaps he w win the rally car... oops

mallorn
11-12-2006, 06:46 AM
What an odd match. Roger stepped it up like he usually does :hatoff: but David … what on earth was going on between his ears in the last two sets? :help: Too bad the match sort of fizzled out.

nobama
11-12-2006, 06:46 AM
:tape: That looked like a tank job in the third set, seriously. I hope Nalbandian can pick his steadiness of level against Ljubicic and Roddick, I want him to get to the semis, and he was really playing well in that first set.I thought maybe he tanked the second to give it his all in the third. But once you let Roger back into a match say goodnight. WTF was up with these silly drop shots when in the first set Davy was taking the ball early, beating Roger from the back of the court? :confused:

shotgun
11-12-2006, 06:47 AM
So David pulled an Andrew Ilie? :lol:

Si_yi
11-12-2006, 06:48 AM
the first set was really excellent!
but the rest of the match was horrible!:help: :tape:

Kalliopeia
11-12-2006, 06:49 AM
Thing is, Roger didn't really step it up that much. He did play better in the second set but not so much that you could attribute that disaster to anything but Nalbandian checking out mentally. How embarrassing.

nobama
11-12-2006, 06:49 AM
Well, to be honest, the only thing that kept me optimistic to some degree was knowing Nalbandian couldn't win ANY match in straight sets :lol:This is why he doesn't worry me when he plays Roger because he's to mentally :retard: to keep it together for an entire match.

R.Federer
11-12-2006, 06:50 AM
Nalbandian had a lunch reservation :tape:

He heard River Plata was playing a local futbol match, not to be missed.

nobama
11-12-2006, 06:51 AM
Thing is, Roger didn't really step it up that much. He did play better in the second set but not so much that you could attribute that disaster to anything but Nalbandian checking out mentally. How embarrassing.He knew he didn't have to. Just play it safe and let Nalbandian self destruct. :lol:

LLeytonRules
11-12-2006, 06:51 AM
I feel sorry for whoever plays him next, Roger didnt look happy at all after the win, even with 2 breadsticks, i expect him too play much better too start.

atheneglaukopis
11-12-2006, 06:52 AM
I thought maybe he tanked the second to give it his all in the third. But once you let Roger back into a match say goodnight. WTF was up with these silly drop shots when in the first set Davy was taking the ball early, beating Roger from the back of the court? :confused:I don't know. :scratch: I mean, he drop-shotted Federer to death in last year's final, but that's because Roger couldn't run. Didn't make a lot of sense today. :shrug:

Metis
11-12-2006, 06:52 AM
He's like Mauresmo that way.
:lol: At least she wins her matches (and in impressive style too)

What a let down after those amazing semifinal WTA YEC matches. :(

rofe
11-12-2006, 06:54 AM
Usually Roger struggles in early rounds but he forgot that this was the TMC when he played today. I am pretty sure he will play better but he needs to step up a few gears moving forward.

Kalliopeia
11-12-2006, 06:54 AM
He knew he didn't have to. Just play it safe and let Nalbandian self destruct. :lol:

Apparently. A shame though, he was playing so well in the first set. I thought the commentator was going to pass out when he blew that break point in the second set. :lol:

Rogiman
11-12-2006, 06:54 AM
With 8 losses in their last 9 encounters, I'd definitely Nalbandian is now Fed's reversed-bitch.

R.Federer
11-12-2006, 06:54 AM
Yes, the women's matches have been high quality.

This was a precipitious drop in quality from set 1 onwards.

Johnny Groove
11-12-2006, 06:56 AM
Were there any rallies around?

shotgun
11-12-2006, 06:56 AM
He heard River Plata was playing a local futbol match, not to be missed.

It's River Plate. And thinking about the time zone, your joke doesn't really make sense, sorry. :p ;)

R.Federer
11-12-2006, 06:59 AM
It's River Plate. And thinking about the time zone, your joke doesn't really make sense, sorry. :p ;)

Oh sorry about that. Ah yes, didn't think about the time zone issues to try and land a lame joke
I am just as disappointed as any to see the match fizzle out like that. But they could have another chance to play each other.

shotgun
11-12-2006, 07:02 AM
Oh sorry about that. Ah yes, didn't think about the time zone issues to try and land a lame joke
I am just as disappointed as any to see the match fizzle out like that. But they could have another chance to play each other.

:lol: I know, I just couldn't pass the opportunity, sorry. :hug:

Monteque
11-12-2006, 07:05 AM
Congrats Fed
:yeah:

I will see it for the taped match later, i wont watch the first set because i want to see Dave devastated by Roger:devil:

Metis
11-12-2006, 07:07 AM
I think Roger was a bit confused in the 1st set. David was dressed exactly like the ballkids (white shorts and light blue shirt) so Roger probably took some time to adjust. :p

General Suburbia
11-12-2006, 07:07 AM
I guess we won't be seeing Disturb3d around anymore.

Naranoc
11-12-2006, 07:44 AM
Nalbandian :smash:

At least it wasn't a straight sets thrashing from Federer, but getting two breadsticks is pathetic. He really must have been hungry. :o

Hope Federer steps it up a notch too; he can't afford lapses like this in TMC.

Breakdown
11-12-2006, 07:46 AM
Great win for Roger, but David is just:help: :silly:

The first set was delicious with Daviâ outplaying Roger;
I don't get what the hell happened afterwards????

Unfortunately, i don't see Nalby making the final 4 this time around.:sad:

Doesn't people's reaction distract players when the rally is on?

Gulliver
11-12-2006, 07:52 AM
Hope Federer steps it up a notch too; he can't afford lapses like this in TMC.

Naughty, naughty Federer, a "lapse" in the 1st set, didn't even step it up a notch in the 2nd and 3rd sets, should have been 2 bagels.............................give me a break :(

World Beater
11-12-2006, 07:58 AM
that was ugly...i mean this is getting downright boring...roger should have lost today. somebody please challenge him...

RonE
11-12-2006, 08:04 AM
Whoa! Nalby completely outplayed Fed in the 1st then lost the plot in his typical Nalby way. Fed's first serve percentage climbed up and it was curtains for Nalby.

Have to give credit to Fed though for playing a safe game while Nalby self-destructed.

:tape:

Funny thing is, three years ago the exact reverse of that situation was true- Federer playing great in the beginning of the match and then completely self destructing while Nalbandian would be the steady one (USO 2003 anyone?).

Anyway, congrats Roger- I didn't see the match but put the recorder on before I left for work.

rofe
11-12-2006, 08:12 AM
:tape:

Funny thing is, three years ago the exact reverse of that situation was true- Federer playing great in the beginning of the match and then completely self destructing while Nalbandian would be the steady one (USO 2003 anyone?).

Anyway, congrats Roger- I didn't see the match but put the recorder on before I left for work.

Yeah Fed got a little lucky today. He played a Nadal like game (cutting down on UEs) in the final two sets because that is all he needed to do. ;)

landoud
11-12-2006, 08:17 AM
:woohoo: well done Roger

RonE
11-12-2006, 08:18 AM
Yeah Fed got a little lucky today. He played a Nadal like game (cutting down on UEs) in the final two sets because that is all he needed to do. ;)

Nalbandian is beyond my understanding (as well as many others too apparently).

Even last year when he was up two breaks in the final set of the TMC final and Fed was barely able to move he just made silly mistakes basically handing Roger the two breaks back and a third break at 5-5 leaving Roger serving for the match only 2 points away from victory. Then he suddenly remembered how he played to put himself in a winning position and closed it out by breaking back and taking the breaker convincingly :shrug:

Even Safin for all his mental volatility is no where near as bad as that :smash: :smash: :smash:

yanchr
11-12-2006, 08:20 AM
It is a ridiculous performance from Nalbandian :tape: How he can go from the very best in the 1st set to...an amatuer player in the 2nd and the 3rd set is beyond me :tape: Roger played well in the 2nd and 3rd, but he didn't play badly in the 1st...it was all Nalbandian...

Roger looked so relieved after the victory. Obviously he cares about this TMC so much... so determined to win it.

But Nalbandian today is...well...funny

vibin
11-12-2006, 08:24 AM
when does nalby play ljubo/arod?

Naranoc
11-12-2006, 08:31 AM
^ On Tuesday it'll be:

Nalbandian/Roddick

Federer/Ljubicic

Boris Franz Ecker
11-12-2006, 08:34 AM
Nalbandian is mentally extremely weak.

scoobs
11-12-2006, 08:40 AM
Good job Rogi.

He's always happy to let David have a set here or there but when David starts to get greedy he starts to ration the games quite severely :)

vibin
11-12-2006, 08:54 AM
so, the ljubo/arod match goes to a third set! so what does this mean for nalby? does this mean that he needs to win his matches in straight sets?

abhinav_shaan
11-12-2006, 08:56 AM
roger .. pick up your level please .. if nalby wasnt in self-destruct mode u cud have so easily lost..
not sure my blood pressure can take that...

and please get ur first serves in .. strange nobody is talking how bad rog was serving

safinalium
11-12-2006, 09:23 AM
poor nalby. i can't believe that a player can be so inconstant. if something goes wrong and he just gives up.

Oriental_Rain
11-12-2006, 09:56 AM
for Roger :woohoo:

jazar
11-12-2006, 10:05 AM
nalbandian played a great first set, even federer admitted it. then he tanked the second after going 3-1 down. he looked tired and fat.

Blue Heart24
11-12-2006, 10:56 AM
Nalbandian :smash:

At least it wasn't a straight sets thrashing from Federer, but getting two breadsticks is pathetic. He really must have been hungry. :o

Hope Federer steps it up a notch too; he can't afford lapses like this in TMC.

I'm not :lol: at Nalbandian,because Federer will probably bagel Ljubicic :tape: :help:

*Ljubica*
11-12-2006, 11:22 AM
Our commentators pointed it out - Nalbandian just looked tired by half way through the second set. And he probably was, - because frankly, he just doesn't play enough or work hard enough or practice hard enough :rolleyes: I know he was unwell a few weeks ago, but this is not just a one-off. He is a truly talented player and his performance in the 1st set was awesome (Roger said in his interview afterwards that Nalbandian was the better player in the
1st set and deserved to win it), - but then he just checked-out mentally and physically, and when Roger upped his level he really had no answer. No one expects players to be litte robots with no life outside tennis - but Nalbandian spends so much time with football and rally cars etc etc that there seems really little time in his life for tennis :rolleyes: It is a tribute to his natural talent that he stll remains in the Top 10 on such a light schedule, - but imagine what he could achieve with a little more work and application? Sorry for rant - but as someone who used to be a fan of his, his whole attitude makes me really sad and angry.

Allez
11-12-2006, 11:31 AM
Fat Dave is clearly unfit...both physically and mentally. Let's not forget that last year he recovered from having lost to Fed earlier on to stage a dramatic come from behind win in the finals, so I wouldn't count him out just yet.

CooCooCachoo
11-12-2006, 11:38 AM
Roger :)

Blue Heart24
11-12-2006, 11:47 AM
Hope Dave will play like shit(read:like the last 2 sets today) against Ljubo

Horatio Caine
11-12-2006, 11:47 AM
Our commentators pointed it out - Nalbandian just looked tired by half way through the second set. And he probably was, - because frankly, he just doesn't play enough or work hard enough or practice hard enough :rolleyes: I know he was unwell a few weeks ago, but this is not just a one-off. He is a truly talented player and his performance in the 1st set was awesome (Roger said in his interview afterwards that Nalbandian was the better player in the
1st set and deserved to win it), - but then he just checked-out mentally and physically, and when Roger upped his level he really had no answer. No one expects players to be litte robots with no life outside tennis - but Nalbandian spends so much time with football and rally cars etc etc that there seems really little time in his life for tennis :rolleyes: It is a tribute to his natural talent that he stll remains in the Top 10 on such a light schedule, - but imagine what he could achieve with a little more work and application? Sorry for rant - but as someone who used to be a fan of his, his whole attitude makes me really sad and angry.

:haha: I thought people were just taking the mick again as concerns his general "roundish" appearance :lol: :help:

I agree though...if he spent more time playing tennis he could be more of a force...he is undoubtedly one of the only ones that can really challenge Rog... :mad:

Well at least the match with Ljubo will be even as concerns fitness...or lack of it :rolleyes: Poor Ljubo seems to be low on battery power...I hope he is okay :sad:

Horatio Caine
11-12-2006, 11:48 AM
Hope Dave will play like shit(read:like the last 2 sets today) against Ljubo

:haha: :haha:

Well 1/6 1/6 goes head to head with 1/6

It's any1's match :p

Horatio Caine
11-12-2006, 11:54 AM
Fat Dave is clearly unfit...both physically and mentally. Let's not forget that last year he recovered from having lost to Fed earlier on to stage a dramatic come from behind win in the finals, so I wouldn't count him out just yet.


It's a strange concept...he looks unfit, carries on as if he is unfit...yet look at some of the endurance tests he has come through: :haha:

Madrid - first 3 matches, 2 from 1 set down and had to break to stay in all 3 matches
US Open - Berrer from 0/2 sets
French Open - Tursunov from 0/2 sets
Miami - Goldstein :tape: :o

Last year was more impressive though... e.g. Federer @ TMC (albeit Federer injured but still great comeback after disappointment of losing 2 tight first sets) and Ferrer R128 @ AO...that was the first time I ever saw Ferrer and have been a fan ever since :worship:

buzz
11-12-2006, 12:20 PM
It's a strange concept...he looks unfit, carries on as if he is unfit...yet look at some of the endurance tests he has come through: :haha:

Madrid - first 3 matches, 2 from 1 set down and had to break to stay in all 3 matches
US Open - Berrer from 0/2 sets
French Open - Tursunov from 0/2 sets
Miami - Goldstein :tape: :o

Last year was more impressive though... e.g. Federer @ TMC (albeit Federer injured but still great comeback after disappointment of losing 2 tight first sets) and Ferrer R128 @ AO...that was the first time I ever saw Ferrer and have been a fan ever since :worship:


Yeah I don't buy the out of shape thing either. Fed just didn't start very good. In the second he changed his tactics a little (as he mentoins in his interview didn't see the match though :rolleyes: ). Nalby probably started missing a little because of that and suddenly was playing out of his confort zone... But most of the posters just want to be ironic and have fun of course:) Nalby is always to fat and always wants a bagel he probably didn't even want to make his last game it was more likely to be an accident.

And Nalby knows he can beat fed and the rest very easy if he lost 10 pounds and trained a little harder. He just doesn't care about winning 5+ slams he wants those bagels!!!!!!:p

Voo de Mar
11-12-2006, 12:23 PM
David thought it was a best of 1 :confused:

:lol:
Lousy match after 1st set :o

bad gambler
11-12-2006, 12:23 PM
Well he won a set off him I suppose, still a nice little beatdown though

good job Fedex

Galathea
11-12-2006, 12:52 PM
Hi, guys. I'm a lurker here, this is the first time I post, mostly because I can't believe nobody notice what happened and why it happened.

First, I can be from Argentina and I like Nalbandian but I don't put up with excuses. If I have to make a critic I do it (you should see what I wrote in other place about Vienna's match against Gonzalez)

Second, sorry for the English. I'll try my best:unsure:


I read all the comments, and jokes aside, didn't you see the reason for the debacle? It's pretty clear what it caused it... There's one word that explains it: SERVE
And I'm not talking about serving bad.... literaly couldn't put the ball in game.

In the first set, he clearly showed the difference between someone who can beat Federer by casualty (like it could happened in Basel's semifinals where Roger almost lost) and one player that's intelligent to put a game plan destinated to nule the opponent. Nalbandian is probably one of the best reader of games/players.

He was having problems already with the serve, but they were incresing with the match, as more he was trying to variate the serve to make it work

The TV said it clearly: He became frustrated and desperate with the "can't serve" thing.
The game base was perfect. But he literaly couldn't put the ball in game. The little occasions when he could, the long points were won by him.
In one moment he screamed to his team, clearly (and I think the audio caught it but it was in Spanish) this : "No me entra un sólo saque, bolu..." something like "I can't serve one ball" followed by cursing.

He looked some mix between frustrated, desperated and mad every time he had to serve. And of course infront of him he had Federer, who was not going to let that pass without getting an advantage of it.
He even declarate that he went nuts about the serve, and that he couldn't find it a solution.

Anyone who hold a raquet on his/her hand knows what happen when you have this serious serving problems. It starts growing and takes out the confidence you have. Because it's not the drive, backhand, etc that you can stop using it.... you must serve, like it or not. And more you try, well, more balls out/net end.
And in Nalbandian's case, in this match his 1st serve didn't work, his 2nd serve didn't work... the only thing he could do was, what I call, one of those "old lady playing tennis at the club on weekend" serve..... against Federer..

Probably this is one of the times that actually I can understand what happened to him and find it a logic.

He doesn't look fit? He's like that. He was underweight when he reached the final in Wimbledon at 2002. He won weight and muslce, part of it following his trainer's advice (it will be the post way more longer to explain it, but his trainer explain it on a interview), but the past year he was like this...
Probably due to watch him more often because the press here, but he's not 10 pounds fat. He's big. He has the typical body of a sudamerican soccer player-. And also there are certain train movements that he can't make due to his abdominal injury
For example there's one picture of him playing golf this past week on Argentina..... with jeans (yeah, I thougth the same)... where you could see a good butt, huge muscular legs, muscular shoulders and muscular arms and a not pooch (or less than before if you want. Tummy that he always had even at wimbledon 2002). He just play with oversized clothes. If thigth clothes? He's not fat.
And well, in this form he won the past year in Shangai and made it to the semis in AO and RG, where he suffered again that chronical abdominal injury he has and that ruined and good year until then, and his DC matches.
He can't look like someone who can run 5 sets.. but he has no problem and probably will end better than the opponent.

Just my two cents

Jlee
11-12-2006, 01:00 PM
Congrats Rogi :yeah:

David...?!

sawan66278
11-12-2006, 01:23 PM
Sad....but this appears to be a typical Fat Dave scoreline...please don't tell me his is "big-boned", etc...The point is, he is NOT in the best of shape physically...Have you seen how much the man sweats out there? I may be wrong here, but often people wear dark colored shirts to hide their weight...this appears to be what Fat Dave is doing...

He is clearly a mental midget...and a choker...all this talent, and the lack of desire and mental toughness...its tough to stomach...But again, he represents what is wrong with the men's game today...No warriors except Roger and Rafa...everyone else is either limited talent-wise or lacking in heart...

canbera
11-12-2006, 01:51 PM
anyways, a Highlights video of this match would be great :)

tripb19
11-12-2006, 02:08 PM
That's why I love you David!!! You are absolutely bonkers, just like me!!!!

gusman890
11-12-2006, 02:09 PM
highlights would rock my world :)

lau
11-12-2006, 02:16 PM
I read all the comments, and jokes aside, didn't you see the reason for the debacle? It's pretty clear what it caused it... There's one word that explains it: SERVE
And I'm not talking about serving bad.... literaly couldn't put the ball in game.



I agree. So frustrating.... Even Frana couldn´t stop mentioning every 2 seconds :lol:
Apart from all the comments about him not training enought, not being fit enough or eating too much asados, I didn´t notice (although I was almost slept:p ) he was particularly tired this time.
As usual, Roger is an extraordinary player, but I don´t think he raised his level that much to justify the scoreline.
Anyway..., at least Nalby shows us,...once in a while, what he is capable of.:shrug: :p

Galathea
11-12-2006, 02:21 PM
Sad....but this appears to be a typical Fat Dave scoreline...please don't tell me his is "big-boned", etc...The point is, he is NOT in the best of shape physically...Have you seen how much the man sweats out there? I may be wrong here, but often people wear dark colored shirts to hide their weight...this appears to be what Fat Dave is doing...

He is clearly a mental midget...and a choker...all this talent, and the lack of desire and mental toughness...its tough to stomach...But again, he represents what is wrong with the men's game today...No warriors except Roger and Rafa...everyone else is either limited talent-wise or lacking in heart...


I said he's not fat, didn't talk about shape. He' s big, I saw him in Madrid and what called my attention was that that he's huge and that he doesn't have a big belly like a lot of people is saying. I remember that what it got my attetion was how much bigger he has his legs and shoulders in terms of muscle compared to when I saw him at the DC two years before.

He didn't use dark colors this game.... a light blue and light grey.

And about the sweat? I'm 5' 10 (I think that would be the covertion) and 130 pounds... and I sweat like a pig.

I agree that he's not in his best shape since RG. Due to his injury problem. There were several articules here talking about it. It's chronical and, by self- experience, very difficult to deal and treat. It limit what you can do. What he could do after RG was due to his talent.
And I think he should change some of his medical staff....

But for example his case is different to Gaudio, who's the typical *I lose one ball and I got depressed*. David IS a figther by nature, that's why Vilas took him as a child...
The thing is, and don't ask me why, he doesn't seem to respond always. Like suddenly the energy stops. As someone that did sports all her life, I found people like this in several sports... They even can't explain why. One of my best friends, basketball player, is like that. It's not mental (he's playing at europe), he went to every psychologist you can name. It's like an electric car that stops receiving electricity for moments. He has a particular trainer now who knows about it and he's better. He said to him that is a physical problem. During a high competition match the body goes up and down in all the players in all the sports. In some cases that cycle is more frecuent or the downs are more pronunciated.. IMO I think it's Nalbandian's problem.
If it's mental, why he always ends better at 5 sets matchs? Why always responde better under pressure or when he's losing or pissed off at the rival (ask Henman about it)? How he's the player that in numbers has the major "comebacks"?

He has a lot of talent, but he has serious physical problems: chronical injuries, tendence to get ill, and IMO, that problem that my friend has. And he's not getting the right trainning for it, IMO.

About this match in particular, I think it was the first time that I could find an explanation. Again, it's not Gaudio (in the sense of that mental weakness). He doesn't go down when one thing goes wrong... he goes down without explanation and suddenly (mostly at 5 sets match) comes back playing at the same level than a number 1. But, if you know about tennis, you must admit that a player that can't put one serve, like in this severe case, goes crazy because is a vicious circle. forget that's David Nalbandian, and think in anyone. If you usually don't have a problem on your serve, and suddenly without explanation you can't pass a ball during all the match and the rest of your game is intact, your serve problem is going to increase and you're not only going to make double faults but also, unfforced errors.

Kalliopeia
11-12-2006, 03:09 PM
Well there's no doubt that his serve was a huge factor. Someone wondered why no one mentioned how bad Roger was serving, and it's because even though Roger wasn't serving particularly well, it was perfection next to the wretched serving of Nalbandian. Still, his first serve was 38% in the first set and still won it, and won it beautifully. He served 60% in the second and third sets, and lost those dismally. In the third set his first serve percentage was higher than Roger's.

The commentator mentioned that it all went to pieces when he blew the break point at 2-1 in the second set, and I totally agree. It was one of those moments when even if you don't play tennis you can see what he needed to do. You could see it and you knew it would probably work....but instead he just tried to push it just over the net. And not only that but if it had actually gone over the net he hit it right to Roger, so he'd have been all over it. A stupid, stupid mistake, and you could see in his face that he knew how stupid it was. Then he fell apart completely.

I don't really know if the problem was mental or physical, though I'd guess it was a lot of both. He just stopped trying. Half the time he'd walk off before the point was even over, just giving it up completely. It was a shame for someone as talented as Nalbandian, and frustrating, and embarrassing.

Sunset of Age
11-12-2006, 03:09 PM
Very strange match... Nalby? :banghead:

Anyway, congrats Rogelio! Send More Breadsticks! :bowdown:

WF4EVER
11-12-2006, 03:41 PM
IMO, Roger played a terrible first set. He was flat and uninspired. Except for his first loss of serve the other two were donations by Roger; he just couldn't hold his serve and df on set point, no?

I've always thought Nalby is a lazy clod and it seems lately when he plays Roger he's falling apart after a spirited first set. He has no sustencance and I believe he really needs to get fitter because he is an excellent shot-maker.

Congrats to Roger. I didn't get up at 1am to watch him lose.

tennisgal_001
11-12-2006, 03:48 PM
David :rolleyes:
I understand the loss, it's the TWO breadsticks that's throwing me off!!!

Roger's next opponent should watch out, he'll be on roll. I hope David can at least win his next match.

AsianSensation
11-12-2006, 03:56 PM
Nice win Rogi!

Dancing Hero
11-12-2006, 04:02 PM
Fedo! :hatoff:

Katastrophe
11-12-2006, 04:06 PM
Nice win for Fed. *sigh*...Nalby that scoreline though after winning the first set? :eek:

Fergie
11-12-2006, 04:20 PM
Roger! :yeah:

Galathea
11-12-2006, 04:28 PM
IMO, Roger played a terrible first set. He was flat and uninspired. Except for his first loss of serve the other two were donations by Roger; he just couldn't hold his serve and df on set point, no?


I don't agree. I think the merits for the first set was Nalbandian's. Federer was playing badly because Nalby was forcing him to do it.

I was checking some articules and all agree about the serve. And one of them made a comment about something that I thought I watched but I was not sure but seems that some people saw the same that I did.. the serve was so not existant, and David was desconcerted to the point of changing raquets for one with another type of handle (just in case the term is wrong, what I meant he changed the "empuñadura de la raqueta"). To that point was the problem

And from spanish speaker people, specially argentinian, we had Frana's comments on tv Who was right in what he was saying, but he was making the viewrs nervous.... He kept saying "the serve is not working" "the rest of his game is impecable but he can't put the ball in game, so that's disconcertant and will take the confidence of him".... in the middle Nalby trowing the ball at the net, out, double faults.. I think yesterday he invented the "triple fault", etc, and Frana with his comments ".... hmmm, the problem is that it's that one thing only, but for a player that's terrible".... more disasters with the serve, break for Federe who was going to serve and Frana kept going: "Because he knows that if he breaks Federer's serve, he can't keep the break".... It was exasperating.

You could see Nalbandian's face when he was going to serve, trying every movement you could think.. and Frana's comments... I think my blood pressure was really high. Because it was not a nalbandian's moment, like with Gonzalez in Vienna. He tried and the first surprised with the non-serve was obviously him.
Pity, yesterday without the serve problem, Nalbandian could have won the match, maybe three sets, but his plan was working.

Experimentee
11-12-2006, 04:53 PM
Nalby looked like he tanked those last 2 sets.
When he tanked the 2nd set, I just thought he was getting ready for the 3rd set, but then he kept on tanking! WTF was up with him :retard:
If he'd continued playing like he did in the 1st set he would have won.

Black Adam
11-12-2006, 05:17 PM
Damn you Dave, you ever heard of a best of one set match :mad: :rolleyes:

NYCtennisfan
11-12-2006, 06:06 PM
It's strange how most of the comments in this thread are from the Nalbandian point-of-view i.e. "he got tired", "he checked mentally", etc. etc. Maybe he did, but Federer playing much better at the beginning of the 2nd set had a lot to do with it. If Nalbandian thought he could win after Federer raised his game, he would've put up a better fight, but he thought about Madrid and probably didn't think he had much of a chance.

rosamunda
11-12-2006, 06:13 PM
It's strange how most of the comments in this thread are from the Nalbandian point-of-view i.e. "he got tired", "he checked mentally", etc. etc. Maybe he did, but Federer playing much better at the beginning of the 2nd set had a lot to do with it. If Nalbandian thought he could win after Federer raised his game, he would've put up a better fight, but he thought about Madrid and probably didn't think he had much of a chance.

I was just about to say more or less the same thing.The way I saw it, two things happened that changed the course of the match. Nalby went slightly off the boil after winning the first set (as often happens with many players), and Fed tweaked a few knobs in that computer of a brain of his and subtly changed/upped his game. The tragedy for Nalby was that the said two things happened simultaneously. I noticed that Fed was very eager to start the second set – bouncing around on the baseline anxious to get going - it was as though he’d sussed out the problem and couldn’t wait to put it into practice. And I think that was the case, as he hustled Nalby into errors and a growing sense of unease just like Nalby had done to him in the first set. It reminded me of the Madrid match in some ways, though a bit more drawn out and a much more dramatic turn around as Fed was never struggling in that one. But, once he’d found his groove, it was an act of demolition. I don’t think Nalby had a nervous breakdown; he just couldn’t continue playing supreme tennis and Fed just jumped on him in that way that he does when he gets the upper hand, so that Nalby couldn’t continue playing to such a high standard even if he hadn’t gone walkabout.

One thing about Federer that I think gives him a huge advantage the majority of the time – he seems able to forget about what’s gone before. He simply uses the fresh information that's gone into his memory bank to work out what he has to do to swing it around, and then adapts accordingly. If he hadn’t done that, I don’t think Nalbandian would have lost it completely and permanently. Unless he really is a complete fruitcake……..

jazar
11-12-2006, 06:18 PM
how fat did nalbandian look?

RonE
11-12-2006, 06:46 PM
how fat did nalbandian look?

Well I don't think "fat" is the correct term- he did look rather stocky though more than I remember him being. Although I did notice he had recently given birth to a new chin :scared:

Bremen
11-12-2006, 07:07 PM
:lol: At least she wins her matches (and in impressive style too)

What a let down after those amazing semifinal WTA YEC matches. :(

Yeah, maybe it wasn't the best comparison...amelie's results are vastly better than nalbandian's. Too bad she couldn't beat Justine to defend her crown.

Metis
11-12-2006, 07:23 PM
Yeah, maybe it wasn't the best comparison...amelie's results are vastly better than nalbandian's. Too bad she couldn't beat Justine to defend her crown.
Arggggh!!! Why did you have to write that? I was waiting to watch the delayed coverage of the match without knowing the score. :mad:

Oh well I guess I shouldn't have come to this thread again. :lol:

Bremen
11-12-2006, 07:46 PM
Arggggh!!! Why did you have to write that? I was waiting to watch the delayed coverage of the match without knowing the score. :mad:

Oh well I guess I shouldn't have come to this thread again. :lol:

Oh Shit! Sorry dude! I thought you'd already watched it because you said "too bad after those amazing semifinal matches." I thought you meant too bad Amelie lost the final after playing great in the semis!

oops

Kip
11-12-2006, 07:47 PM
Nice little warm-up Roger. :cool:

Metis
11-12-2006, 07:54 PM
Oh Shit! Sorry dude! I thought you'd already watched it because you said "too bad after those amazing semifinal matches." I thought you meant too bad Amelie lost the final after playing great in the semis!

oops

No, I meant that watching the Fed-Nalby match was a let down after watching the women's semis.

By the way I am a girl, unless you meant "dude" in a unisex way. :lol:

+alonso
11-12-2006, 07:55 PM
This is why he doesn't worry me when he plays Roger because he's to mentally :retard: to keep it together for an entire match.

Well, 999,9% of the players, except Nadal, end getting frustrated 'cause of Roger's game so.

jazar
11-12-2006, 07:55 PM
Well I don't think "fat" is the correct term- he did look rather stocky though more than I remember him being. Although I did notice he had recently given birth to a new chin :scared:

come on, when they did close ups of him he was bursting out of his shirt. in the second and third sets he was obviously thinking of going back to his hotel and cleaning out room service of all its food

jocaputs
11-12-2006, 07:57 PM
in the first set nalbandian was totally kicking fedex's ass, but suddenly nalbandian pretty much stopped playing and the match fizzled.
too now the h2h is now 8-6:mad:

doris_hdz
11-12-2006, 08:16 PM
well done Roger..!!!!

Bremen
11-12-2006, 08:34 PM
No, I meant that watching the Fed-Nalby match was a let down after watching the women's semis.

By the way I am a girl, unless you meant "dude" in a unisex way. :lol:

Sorry, I guess it's mistakes all around for me today.:sad:

I'll try to be more careful in the future.

Galathea
11-12-2006, 08:38 PM
It's strange how most of the comments in this thread are from the Nalbandian point-of-view i.e. "he got tired", "he checked mentally", etc. etc. Maybe he did, but Federer playing much better at the beginning of the 2nd set had a lot to do with it. If Nalbandian thought he could win after Federer raised his game, he would've put up a better fight, but he thought about Madrid and probably didn't think he had much of a chance.

As the other poster said, were both things. In the first set, nalbaldian palyed an exceptional tennis, BUT started to having troubles with the first service. Still was deep and strong enougth to break Federer three times. For the ones who watched the match, you saw how at the end of the first set, David screamed to his team in spanish this phrase "I can't serve one f**ing ball". And you could see that he was starting to get nervous about his serve. He broke the last game and won the set.
Went to serve for the second set, and the bad serves became worst than before. Federer also went up, of course. So, a moderated second serve couldn't do the damage David's first serve was causing. And infront of him was Federer.... With other player wouldn't be too much problem. With Roger it is, and obviously David knew it. But the one rulling the match was Federer and forced his game service. David was clearly trying to change his serve but it wasn't working and the second serve started to be a souffle. And Federer is not a player that was going to let pass that.
For other side, it wasn't Nalby's backhand, drive, smash, etc that wasn't working. In that case, you don't use the hit, you try to avoid it........ How you avoid serve???? It was a vicious circle and it was Federer infront.
The same with other player would have ended 7/5 for David or maybe a 3 victory on three set, but a victory, because he knows with Roger he can't give that advantage with the serve.


come on, when they did close ups of him he was bursting out of his shirt. in the second and third sets he was obviously thinking of going back to his hotel and cleaning out room service of all its food


I can understand the jokes, guys, but there's a limit, don't you think?

One, He's better than in the indoor tournaments. Search for the argentina picture of him on jeans playing golf and you will be surprised. More search for several pictures, severals from some argentine magazines at least since AO when he lost against Hewitt in that memorable match, because I'm hearing the fat Dave since then.... there're plenty pictures of him shirtless (several from DC), look at them. Even at this year Madrid ATP Masters..

Second, I saw him in person in Madrid.. we almost bumped each other because he and his team were getting late for something and me and my friends too.... I almost ended on the floor (his brother hitted me and David caught me), he said sorry and let me tell you that arms and the zone of shoulder/upper chest IS muscle.. he had some pooch then but not near what some people here is saying. And from the pictures of our press, now that's gone. Plus yesterday was in light color with baggy clothes. So it was not exactly "bursting out of his shirt" :rolleyes:

IMO, he's doing too much musculation works without enough elongation. More like a soccer player trainning than a tennis one.. perhaps this is due to his injury (abdomen and leg)... But it was nothing fluffy there... not that I touched to much.... :) And he's way better looking in person. Plus he saved me from a real good hit against the floor..

I remember that the same it was said about Vilas in its time, the same Agassi, for example Maradona at the 86 WC (yeah some people call him fat then), and don't let me start with the women...

Do I find him fat? No. Do I find him out of shape? I think he's still changing the trainning due to his abdominal injury. Fat or not, during the first time of this year, he played excellent. And it's one of the few players that still can go on for 5 sets. Some of the other top ten look like they're going to dial 911 on the third set of some GS or DC matches...

Jogy
11-12-2006, 10:36 PM
Incredible that Nalbandian could destroy Federer in three of four their matches and then chockes or downs the level.... damn! :banghead:

Kalliopeia
11-12-2006, 10:50 PM
For the ones who watched the match, you saw how at the end of the first set, David screamed to his team in spanish this phrase "I can't serve one f**ing ball". And you could see that he was starting to get nervous about his serve. He broke the last game and won the set.
Went to serve for the second set, and the bad serves became worst than before.

Ok, this bit just isn't so. Nalbandian's first serve percentage in the first set was 38%. It actually started getting a little better towards the end, at one point it was 25%. He still managed to win because for one, Federer wasn't playing well and also because every other part of Nalbandian's game was working beautifully. In the second and third sets Nalbandian's first serve percentage went up to 60%, but he wasn't winning the points on his first OR second serves anymore. Federer upped his game but not by much. Nalbandian just pretty much stopped playing the game that won him the first set.

musefanatic
11-12-2006, 11:04 PM
Well done Roger, just glad he beat David and he better win this whole thing, i put all my money on him!! :lol:

Raquel
11-12-2006, 11:27 PM
Well done Roger :yeah: Turned it around really well.

Galathea
11-12-2006, 11:49 PM
Ok, this bit just isn't so. Nalbandian's first serve percentage in the first set was 38%. It actually started getting a little better towards the end, at one point it was 25%. He still managed to win because for one, Federer wasn't playing well and also because every other part of Nalbandian's game was working beautifully. In the second and third sets Nalbandian's first serve percentage went up to 60%, but he wasn't winning the points on his first OR second serves anymore. Federer upped his game but not by much. Nalbandian just pretty much stopped playing the game that won him the first set.


I do agree with you about everything... The difference is about how he served.... I'll try to explain it, please, forgive me for the bad english (plus I have italian language test tomorrow, so I'm worst that usual). I watched the rerun of the game this morning and he was having troubles with his serve on the first set since the beggining, both were. The difference was the effect Nalby's serve had. When he putted the ball in, Federer didn't have to much deffense and Nalbandian ruled the play.... compare that % with the one about the point won by serve... Maybe he was having a higher % of serve, but he was starting to notice that he couldn't serve like before and he screamed that to his team when by miracle he could keep his serve (before breaking Federer's one and won the set). Maybe the % was high, but it didn't have the same effect that it had in the first part of the set.
The 2 and 3, if I don't remember wrong, he had a 17% of points won with his serve... He ended trying just to put the ball on the grid, making those "old lady" serve that a 5 years old can handle with not trouble. No damage to Federer and goodbye game plan of the first set... With Federer you can't just put the ball on game, you're dead. And lately he was even having troubles even to do that. At the press conference he said the problem was he couldn't keep conneting the first serve the way he was doing at the beggining. Maybe, at the end, he was putting the ball in court, but the serve didn't have the effect on Federer's play like in the beggining... And the funny or sad thing is that the TV commentators all said that, letting aside the serve, his play was perfect.
Hope I was more clear about what I meant, sorry . if not... do you speak spanish???:scratch:

Kalliopeia
11-13-2006, 12:23 AM
Hope I was more clear about what I meant, sorry . if not... do you speak spanish???:scratch:

Ah, ok. Yes, I see what you're saying now! And I agree, his serve was never good, even when he managed to get one in. It was painful to watch from pretty much any angle after the first set.

Daniel
11-13-2006, 12:48 AM
Roger :yeah:

Fat DAve :nerner:

Julio1974
11-13-2006, 01:41 AM
Our commentators pointed it out - Nalbandian just looked tired by half way through the second set. And he probably was, - because frankly, he just doesn't play enough or work hard enough or practice hard enough :rolleyes: I know he was unwell a few weeks ago, but this is not just a one-off. He is a truly talented player and his performance in the 1st set was awesome (Roger said in his interview afterwards that Nalbandian was the better player in the
1st set and deserved to win it), - but then he just checked-out mentally and physically, and when Roger upped his level he really had no answer. No one expects players to be litte robots with no life outside tennis - but Nalbandian spends so much time with football and rally cars etc etc that there seems really little time in his life for tennis :rolleyes: It is a tribute to his natural talent that he stll remains in the Top 10 on such a light schedule, - but imagine what he could achieve with a little more work and application? Sorry for rant - but as someone who used to be a fan of his, his whole attitude makes me really sad and angry.

In part, I agree with you. He is not fit enough. However, his game has a huge hole: his first service. When you see the stats of the match,you see that Federer and Nalbandian won the same % of points with their second service (around 40%). However, David won the same % of points with his first service and Federer won about 80%. That's a huge difference. Nalbandian can't win a match if he's not on or when he 's not 100% fit because he does not win free points with his first service.

Sjengster
11-13-2006, 01:53 AM
Yes, the stats were 43% for both on the second serve but 85% on first serve points for Federer and 42% for Nalbandian - in other words, the difference between them in first serve points won was the same as their total percentage of second serve points won. You do sometimes see service statistics for a particular set where one guy gets thrashed but oddly wins more points on second than on first serves - I recall Henman against Hewitt in Cincy 2004 was breadsticked with stats of 25% on first balls and 40% on the second - but usually at the end of a match they've been more successful with the first serve. A 42% success rate is just criminal, although it'll be interesting to see whether that percentage increases against the less skilled returners he's facing next.

It's odd, after one point on his serve at the start of the second set where he slipped over Nalbandian seemed to start complaining about the slippery court surface, then lost focus and concentration and was virtually finished competitively thereafter. It wasn't quite the same as his tank-you-very-much third set display against Gonzalez in Vienna, but there was certainly an element of capitulation. He's no worse a player than he was three years ago when he was regularly beating Federer, so it begs the question: is it Federer's no. 1 aura that affects his self-belief (it really shouldn't do in his case, with their long history), or is it simply that the former isn't giving him the same easy errors that he did back in 2003? There was one long game on the Federer serve at 2-1 in the second when Nalbandian had a chance to break back, Federer missed a wide running forehand by miles to go down break point and screamed at himself for his poor play; then on the next point Nalbandian chips a second serve return into the net, and goes on to lose the following 9 games before winning another one at 0-5 down in the third.

silverarrows
11-13-2006, 03:13 AM
After the match I can see at Roger's face that he is not happy at all even with a two breadstick for Nalby. He's not happy with his performance. Actually Nalby has a chance to break Fed's serve in the 2nd set but after this - "Nalbandian chips a second serve return into the net, and goes on to lose the following 9 games" (quoted from Sjengster), I think he just self-destruct. With Nalby's performance in the 1st set, I think he can beat Fed. But you know, tennis is also a mental game. ;) Great job by Fed to turn things around. :worship:

NYCtennisfan
11-13-2006, 03:52 AM
Yes, the stats were 43% for both on the second serve but 85% on first serve points for Federer and 42% for Nalbandian - in other words, the difference between them in first serve points won was the same as their total percentage of second serve points won. You do sometimes see service statistics for a particular set where one guy gets thrashed but oddly wins more points on second than on first serves - I recall Henman against Hewitt in Cincy 2004 was breadsticked with stats of 25% on first balls and 40% on the second - but usually at the end of a match they've been more successful with the first serve. A 42% success rate is just criminal, although it'll be interesting to see whether that percentage increases against the less skilled returners he's facing next.

It's odd, after one point on his serve at the start of the second set where he slipped over Nalbandian seemed to start complaining about the slippery court surface, then lost focus and concentration and was virtually finished competitively thereafter. It wasn't quite the same as his tank-you-very-much third set display against Gonzalez in Vienna, but there was certainly an element of capitulation. He's no worse a player than he was three years ago when he was regularly beating Federer, so it begs the question: is it Federer's no. 1 aura that affects his self-belief (it really shouldn't do in his case, with their long history), or is it simply that the former isn't giving him the same easy errors that he did back in 2003? There was one long game on the Federer serve at 2-1 in the second when Nalbandian had a chance to break back, Federer missed a wide running forehand by miles to go down break point and screamed at himself for his poor play; then on the next point Nalbandian chips a second serve return into the net, and goes on to lose the following 9 games before winning another one at 0-5 down in the third.

Good points Sjengster. Fed won points off of his 1st serve quite easily throughout the match, even in the first set. Nalbandian didn't win any easy points off of his serve at all.

In the past, Federer would lose faith in his BH when Nalbandian would be sending everything into that AD corner, start making errors with the BH, start panicking, go for too much off of the FH when he got a chance to hit one, go for too much on his own 2nd serves and start DF'ing, lose faith in his s/v game (earliest matches, and so on. He doesn't do that anymore and it shows. He can lose the first set against Nalbandian and still win, he can play horribly and not even serve well i.e. Rome and still win. His match against Nalbandian in Rome was the only match this year where he didn't even serve 50% and in the past, that would be a sure recipe for a 1 and 2 beating against the blogging giant.

Rommella
11-13-2006, 04:13 AM
One thing about Federer that I think gives him a huge advantage the majority of the time – he seems able to forget about what’s gone before. He simply uses the fresh information that's gone into his memory bank to work out what he has to do to swing it around, and then adapts accordingly.

Game-wise, the "short" memory serves Roger well and that he's able to put things past him and just tweak his game to the level necessary to win. But really, Roger has an elephantine memory. No way is he going to lose to Nalbandian and to a choice club of players. He's making them pay for all the tough times he's had in the past.

Sjengster
11-13-2006, 04:17 AM
Nalbandian's victories against Federer were always littered with service breaks on both sides, the play was dictated by Naba's poor hold games combined with his superb return games and he always had the edge because he could control the majority of the rallies on both players' serve. Having obtained a copy, I now know that their AO encounter in 2003 featured 15 breaks of serve in five sets - 5 in the first set (won by Nalbandian from a break down), 5 in the second set (won by Federer from a break down), then they swapped breadsticks for the third and fourth before ironically enough Nalbandian won the fifth set with a single break.

Likewise in Cincy later that year Nalbandian won 6 and 6 having served for both sets, but losing his serve hardly seemed to bother him as he knew he'd have a crack at the Federer serve every time. In fact if I recall right he blew a matchpoint on his serve in the TB and then promptly won it on his next receiving point. At the US Open he blew a 5-0 lead in the second set and yet ended up winning the tiebreak there 7-1 and romped through the last two sets. Nalbandian is still as profligate with his serve as ever, but Federer is much tougher to break and doesn't let up easily. Speaking of low serving percentages, in his first ever win over the Great Dave in Houston 2003 he hit just 48% of first serves in and won 3 and 0, which tells you how badly Nalbandian was playing that day. By contrast he needed 20 aces in 4 sets at the AO the following year, including 4 in a row at 5-5, 15-40 in the first set, to scrape out the victory there.

aussie_fan
11-13-2006, 09:24 AM
Geez, Nalbandian just really turned off in that one didn't he. Don't know why he didn't just keep attacking in the 2nd and 3rd sets, sure he might not be able to pull of the sort of tennis he was playing in the first but he still had more of a chance in doing that than playing the retarted tennis he did later on.

Well Done Federer.

oz_boz
11-13-2006, 09:41 AM
A pity that Nalby couldn't put up more of a fight in the last two sets.

Fed :hatoff:
Nalby :o

MariaV
11-13-2006, 09:52 AM
Even Safin for all his mental volatility is no where near as bad as that :smash: :smash: :smash:

FatDave is getting close to Marat really really fast but I am afraid I must say Marat is still supreme in the :cuckoo: department. :o :o :wavey:

Chileno
11-13-2006, 10:17 AM
no surprises so far...

FSRteam
11-13-2006, 11:30 AM
As the other poster said, were both things. In the first set, nalbaldian palyed an exceptional tennis, BUT started to having troubles with the first service. Still was deep and strong enougth to break Federer three times. For the ones who watched the match, you saw how at the end of the first set, David screamed to his team in spanish this phrase "I can't serve one f**ing ball". And you could see that he was starting to get nervous about his serve. He broke the last game and won the set.
Went to serve for the second set, and the bad serves became worst than before. Federer also went up, of course. So, a moderated second serve couldn't do the damage David's first serve was causing. And infront of him was Federer.... With other player wouldn't be too much problem. With Roger it is, and obviously David knew it. But the one rulling the match was Federer and forced his game service. David was clearly trying to change his serve but it wasn't working and the second serve started to be a souffle. And Federer is not a player that was going to let pass that.
For other side, it wasn't Nalby's backhand, drive, smash, etc that wasn't working. In that case, you don't use the hit, you try to avoid it........ How you avoid serve???? It was a vicious circle and it was Federer infront.
The same with other player would have ended 7/5 for David or maybe a 3 victory on three set, but a victory, because he knows with Roger he can't give that advantage with the serve.

Come on stop with the 1st serve problem!!! The guy won the 1st set with a 38% and lost the last 2 with 60% first serves in!!!

You are pretty funny, almost you say is he served bad. Maybe he didn't serve thta well but according to the stats, it wasn't that bad!

I think fed leveled his game and nalby's play was getting terrible, that's it!

Apparently in your argentinian articles it was nalby's 1 st serve the problem and here in switzelrand, fed was asleep for the entire 1st set and then played the way he normally does! :lol:

Julio1974
11-13-2006, 11:47 AM
Come on stop with the 1st serve problem!!! The guy won the 1st set with a 38% and lost the last 2 with 60% first serves in!!!

You are pretty funny, almost you say is he served bad. Maybe he didn't serve thta well but according to the stats, it wasn't that bad!

I think fed leveled his game and nalby's play was getting terrible, that's it!

Apparently in your argentinian articles it was nalby's 1 st serve the problem and here in switzelrand, fed was asleep for the entire 1st set and then played the way he normally does! :lol:

You don't get it. It's not a question of % of first service. It's a question of first service quality.

FSRteam
11-13-2006, 11:50 AM
You don't get it. It's not a question of % of first service. It's a question of first service quality.

Ok maybe the quality of serve wasn't very good, but it is not like nalby is famous for having a great serve!!!

He's more famous for returning very well and fed still won his service games easily for the last 2 sets! :)

FSRteam
11-13-2006, 12:36 PM
Have a look at the highlights:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kOKlqJKviA

Julio1974
11-13-2006, 01:28 PM
Ok maybe the quality of serve wasn't very good, but it is not like nalby is famous for having a great serve!!!

He's more famous for returning very well and fed still won his service games easily for the last 2 sets! :)

My point goes beyond a single match with Federer. I think he hasn't won so many tournaments because he does not have a decent first service to help him when he's not playing his best tennis. For instance, Ljubicic can win many matches, even if he is in bad day or if he is tired, thanks to his first service.

Galathea
11-13-2006, 05:00 PM
You don't get it. It's not a question of % of first service. It's a question of first service quality.


Exactly... He couldn't keep figthing because he couldn't keep the damage he was causing with the serve... Even the second one was more agressive in the 1 set than his first serve for the last 2 sets. And of course Federer went up.

And for a Federer sleeping? well, he seamed pretty awake running, jumping and protesting because the public.. not to mention his pissed off face when Nalby didn't let him play.
Believe or not, weren't only "argie" articules. If we had to make a critic, our press has no problem and makes no excuses. You should see some articules about Gaudio and even Coria. Or even Nalbandian in Vienna. Plus, Frana (tv commentator of ESPN for latinamerican) is not a fan of Nalby exactly (he preffers a surgery than make a compliment to David) and he said, except for the serve, his game was prefect. Then of course, he was delighted...
Not that Frana can talk to much about serve :rolleyes:

lorenz
11-13-2006, 06:20 PM
I'm very frightened with the fat bastard Nalby !!!
His serve sucks, I hope he will not become a Coria. !!!!