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How many different people will Federer lose to in 2007?

superhoops
11-11-2006, 07:44 PM
He has only lost to 2 this season but i think it will be atleast 5 next season. Nadal definately being one of them, also Gasguet, and possibly Murray will beat him again.

jazar
11-11-2006, 08:11 PM
nadal will beat him at least once on clay. i don't think gasquet will and fed only lost to murray this year cos he wasnt at his best. if he plays murray again next year, murray won't be so fortunate. berdych might be able to do it and a resurgent marat safin is always capable of doing it, but only on a hard court.

jole
11-11-2006, 08:12 PM
Rafael Nadal, Joachim Johansson, and Dominik Hrbaty - fo'sho.

Xavidbz
11-11-2006, 08:44 PM
Haas, Murray, Nadal and Nalbandián.

Horatio Caine
11-11-2006, 08:48 PM
Maximum of 3 different ones...I'm even going to stick my neck out and say that if Fed is really careful with his scheduling, he might not lose at all in 2007 :shrug:

Deathless Mortal
11-11-2006, 08:51 PM
Ljubicic, Gasquet, Nadal and PimPim.

jazar
11-11-2006, 08:53 PM
I'm even going to stick my neck out and say that if Fed is really careful with his scheduling, he might not lose at all in 2007 :shrug:

i can see that happening

Horatio Caine
11-11-2006, 08:59 PM
i can see that happening

Yep...He lost to Nadal 3 times...he won't keep doing it. I reckon Fed will finally claim RG next year. As for Murray...he was tired. He could have skipped that event.

Fed only has Monte C, Rome, RG and Paris left to win of the majors...he'd be wise to focus on those and play other tournaments around them as he sees fit (obviously all the GS for starters).

The players with a good return and great ball skills from the back of the court most hurt him...I don't really see the likes of Safin and Haas getting close enough to him next year to beat him. Gasquet or Djokovic neither.

t0x
11-11-2006, 09:03 PM
Only Nadal or Safin (with head screwed on) can beat Federer I think.

If he's careful with his scheduling, he shoudln't lost too much at all next year.

Jlee
11-11-2006, 09:24 PM
Federer might lose once to Nadal on clay but I predict that he'll win RG next year. Nobody will stop him after that unless the young guys, besides Nadal, start really picking it up. I don't see him losing more than 1-2 matches next year to Nadal and maybe someone else.

Jade Fox
11-11-2006, 09:30 PM
Roddick, Daveydenko, Blake, The Lube, and Robredo will beat him. Roger better watch out, 2007's gonna be the Revenge of the Bitches.:devil: ;) :p

Allstar
11-11-2006, 09:43 PM
Nadal - high chance
Safin - low chance
Bandy - Murray - tiny chance

Cant see any of the power players beating him thats for sure

DrJules
11-11-2006, 10:03 PM
Maximum of 3 different ones...I'm even going to stick my neck out and say that if Fed is really careful with his scheduling, he might not lose at all in 2007 :shrug:

It would be wonderful to see the reaction of; adee-gee, Blaze-2004 and Deivid23 if that happended, but it will not. Expect Federer to lose 5-10 matches in 2007. Maybe 5 players

guga2120
11-11-2006, 10:32 PM
good question, considering this year only 2, there is no way he will clean sweep Nadal on clay, i would say 3 or 4 different people at most, but with this RR thing you never know.

GlennMirnyi
11-11-2006, 10:36 PM
Federer will lose only if tired. So, if he keeps a good schedule, he won't lose next year.

Johnny Groove
11-11-2006, 10:40 PM
Yep...He lost to Nadal 3 times.

4 :p

It would be wonderful to see the reaction of; adee-gee, Blaze-2004 and Deivid23 if that happended, but it will not. Expect Federer to lose 5-10 matches in 2007. Maybe 5 players

Honestly, I would :hatoff: to Federer if he went undefeated in 07, beating Nadal once on clay, and somewhere else. If he didnt defeat Nadal at some point, it wouldnt be a REAL record :p

Nathaliia
11-11-2006, 10:44 PM
I want him to go undefeated, however I can imagine him losing up to three times during the season. He doesn't like these children so maybe in 2007 Gulbis will be the lucky one to take the big Ninja out.

I hope Roger can defeat Nadal in the final of Roland Garros.

tangerine_dream
11-11-2006, 10:49 PM
I would love to know the reasons why some of you picked Pim-Pim as being a potential Fed-killa next year.

David Kenzie
11-11-2006, 10:50 PM
good question, considering this year only 2, there is no way he will clean sweep Nadal on clay, i would say 3 or 4 different people at most, but with this RR thing you never know.
I don't think Federer plans to play in any Round Robin tournaments in 2007.

shotgun
11-11-2006, 10:56 PM
Impossible to tell, but usually the youngsters are the ones to step up and defeat him - Berdych in 2004, Gasquet last year and Murray this year, not to mention Nadal.

As for Nadal I don't care how many times Federer loses to him as long as he beats him in Roland Garros. :D

DDrago2
11-11-2006, 11:11 PM
> 3

r2473
11-11-2006, 11:49 PM
He has only lost to 2 this season but i think it will be atleast 5 next season. Nadal definately being one of them, also Gasguet, and possibly Murray will beat him again.

lose??

GustavoM_Fan
11-12-2006, 01:26 AM
Rafael Nadal, Joachim Johansson, Marat Safin, David Nalbandian and Ryan Sweeting......

stebs
11-12-2006, 12:06 PM
I would love to know the reasons why some of you picked Pim-Pim as being a potential Fed-killa next year.

As it happens I think Federer could probably handle Pim Pim okay. However, ona quick surface Pim Pim could have a great serving day and he could be unbreakable, add that to the fcat that he is willing to go for big things at big moments and you have a potential upset. I still think Federer should be able to do to Pim Pim what he has done to pretty much all big servers.

Oh, and I think Federer will probably lose 5-8 matches with a maximum of 10 to 3-6 different players.

Adler
11-12-2006, 12:29 PM
Rafael Nadal, Joachim Johansson, Marat Safin, David Nalbandian and Ryan Sweeting......
bold prediction mate

Action Jackson
11-12-2006, 12:38 PM
Undefeated.

canbera
11-12-2006, 01:18 PM
Yep...He lost to Nadal 3 times...he won't keep doing it. I reckon Fed will finally claim RG next year. As for Murray...he was tired. He could have skipped that event.



interesting enough, I don't see Federer claiming the Roland Garros trophy. He could win Monte Carlo or Roma, maybe both, but will shit his pants in the final of RG.

yomike
11-12-2006, 01:29 PM
If Federer ever loses a match next year I want it to be in the RG final. I want his hands off that trophy.

BlueSwan
11-12-2006, 01:49 PM
Just because noone can keep up superhuman efforts year after year after year, I will predict that 2007 will be a substandard year by Fed's standards. He'll only win 1 or 2 slams and will lose around 10 times. He'll, probably still just cling on to the #1 ranking.

That's quite pessimistic. I hope I'm proved dead wrong, seeing as I'm a huge Fed fan.

muniu
11-12-2006, 02:51 PM
I think Hrbaty Sweeting Kubot Arazi Stepanek Spadea :lol: oh Camile Pin too

Katastrophe
11-12-2006, 03:10 PM
I think Hrbaty Sweeting Kubot Arazi Stepanek Spadea :lol: oh Camile Pin too

If that actually happens, I will eat my tennis racket in its entirety. :p

ClubFed
11-12-2006, 03:17 PM
I think Marat will beat Roger at least once in '07. Safin is one of the few players who you can actually say they can beat Roger in a fairly consistent succession.

So Marat and Nadal would be my picks.

Dancing Hero
11-12-2006, 03:20 PM
Picking three players to beat Roger '07, just for the hell of it. Nadal, Nalbandian and Gasquet.

stebs
11-12-2006, 04:49 PM
I think Marat will beat Roger at least once in '07. Safin is one of the few players who you can actually say they can beat Roger in a fairly consistent succession.

I accept that possibly Marat has a chance to beat Roger in '07 just like everyone else does but the rest of your post is totally nonsensical.

Beat him in a consistent succession? First and foremost this doesn't actually make sense but I guess your point is clear although that is also incorrect. Marat has never beaten Roger twice in a row so succession is not the right word. As for consistently. :confused: He beat Roger two times in matches over 2 years apart.

You would never hear someone say that Roger beats Nadal in fairly consistent succession but the Roger vs. Marat H-2-H is more lopsided than the Rafa vs. Roger H-2-H.

That Marat is a player who gives Roger a large amount of trouble is a total myth that stems from one sensational victory of Marat's. I do not deny that it is a decent starting point for saying Marat is able to beat Roger but there is no more evidence. Marat got one great win on a big stage deep in a fifth set. Remember people, Federer has won all of the other meetings in the past 4 years, 3 of them in straight sets.

guy in sf
11-12-2006, 06:40 PM
I definitely think Gasquet will beat Federer at least once in 07, this kid is getting better and better and I think Federer might have peaked already. It will be harder and harder for him to stay as dominant as he is now from now on...it's called aging. I know Federer is still in his mid 20's but it's going to get harder, not easier.

Kip
11-12-2006, 06:50 PM
Federer will lose only if tired. So, if he keeps a good schedule, he won't lose next year.

I agree.

Usually, his schedule is planned
out so well that he is rarely tired.

I don't see him losing to anyone outside
of Nadal on clay if that, just don't.

We'll see. :cool:

atheneglaukopis
11-12-2006, 06:55 PM
I accept that possibly Marat has a chance to beat Roger in '07 just like everyone else does but the rest of your post is totally nonsensical.

Beat him in a consistent succession? First and foremost this doesn't actually make sense but I guess your point is clear although that is also incorrect. Marat has never beaten Roger twice in a row so succession is not the right word. As for consistently. :confused: He beat Roger two times in matches over 2 years apart.

You would never hear someone say that Roger beats Nadal in fairly consistent succession but the Roger vs. Marat H-2-H is more lopsided than the Rafa vs. Roger H-2-H.

That Marat is a player who gives Roger a large amount of trouble is a total myth that stems from one sensational victory of Marat's. I do not deny that it is a decent starting point for saying Marat is able to beat Roger but there is no more evidence. Marat got one great win on a big stage deep in a fifth set. Remember people, Federer has won all of the other meetings in the past 4 years, 3 of them in straight sets.Credibility was lost straight off the bat by mentioning "Marat" and "consistent" in the same sentence, and the rest of the post went downhill from there.

More accurately, if Marat could consistently play the way he did at AO 05 he could beat Federer at least half the time. But that was never going to happen, and then he hasn't been the same since his injury.

+alonso
11-12-2006, 07:04 PM
Unless He choses to play like every tournament next year, There's a little hope of Fed being defeated ;), If any player beat him, It would be a young player which no one knows about the way he plays :lol: Surprise effect is another thing to be looked

stebs
11-12-2006, 07:11 PM
I definitely think Gasquet will beat Federer at least once in 07, this kid is getting better and better and I think Federer might have peaked already. It will be harder and harder for him to stay as dominant as he is now from now on...it's called aging. I know Federer is still in his mid 20's but it's going to get harder, not easier.

Although I agree to a certain extent about things getting harder for Roger I'm not so sure about Richie. Gasquet doesn't match up well against Federer. I know he beat him in MC but he played great then and it was on clay. Add that to Roger not knowing his game and the fact that it was still only a third set TB and you get an upset, not a sign that Gasquet has the right game to beat Federer. I definately don't think it will happen outside of clay and to be honest on clay Gasquet plays the type of offensvie tennis that Roger knows exactly how to beat. I don't think Gasquet will beat Federer again until Federer is past his best or until Federer has an off day.

stebs
11-12-2006, 07:17 PM
More accurately, if Marat could consistently play the way he did at AO 05 he could beat Federer at least half the time. But that was never going to happen, and then he hasn't been the same since his injury.

True though this is it is not realistic. There seems to be some feeling among some Safin fans that he is the only guy who is on off and everyone else is on top form all the time. In fact no-one plays at their highest level always. For sure Marat is an extreme case in that he goes from great to awful very quickly and vice versa. However, it is not as if even Federer plays great all the time. I can count on one hand the amount of times Federer has played his very best tennis for a whole match in his career. The main difference is that many guys pull it together even when their not playing that great and Marat often doesn't.

marcRD
11-12-2006, 07:45 PM
Nalbandian is the only player who can truly outplay Roger Federer. He is going to beat Roger Federer again in the future, but he has to play at his absolute best to do taht.

Safin can when he is at his best play up to Federers level, but I dodnt know if he still have that in him.

Nadal will ofcourse beat Federer in 3 out of 4 matches on clay so he is a asure bet.

I think that is it, Nalby and Nadal will beat Federer. Maybe a surprise on clay like Almagro, I dont think more than 3 people will ebat Federer.

zimzim
11-12-2006, 07:54 PM
Although I agree to a certain extent about things getting harder for Roger I'm not so sure about Richie. Gasquet doesn't match up well against Federer. I know he beat him in MC but he played great then and it was on clay. Add that to Roger not knowing his game and the fact that it was still only a third set TB and you get an upset, not a sign that Gasquet has the right game to beat Federer. I definately don't think it will happen outside of clay and to be honest on clay Gasquet plays the type of offensvie tennis that Roger knows exactly how to beat. I don't think Gasquet will beat Federer again until Federer is past his best or until Federer has an off day.I think Gasquet would beat him at least once in 2007, but we'll have to wait and see.

Frooty_Bazooty
11-12-2006, 09:13 PM
He has only lost to 2 this season but i think it will be atleast 5 next season. Nadal definately being one of them, also Gasguet, and possibly Murray will beat him again.

Well this season isnt over yet :shrug: . Nalby, Davydenko, Blake and roddick could all have a chance of beating him in TMC

NYCtennisfan
11-12-2006, 09:19 PM
GGL, Ginepri, FLo, Peya, Volandri, Donald Young, and XRISTOS!!

Those will be his only defeats.

tangerine_dream
11-12-2006, 09:39 PM
As it happens I think Federer could probably handle Pim Pim okay. However, ona quick surface Pim Pim could have a great serving day and he could be unbreakable, add that to the fcat that he is willing to go for big things at big moments and you have a potential upset. I still think Federer should be able to do to Pim Pim what he has done to pretty much all big servers.
Roger handles big servers perfectly fine. The rest of Pim's game is lacking. The fact that he never ventures to the net will prevent him from ever getting a leg up on Roger, no matter how good he serves (his 51 aces at the 2004 AO didn't prevent Agassi from beating him). Plus, he's not fast enough to out-rally Roger from the baseline.

People say that Roddick is one-dimensional. Pim-Pim makes Andy look like McEnroe.

I think maybe 4 different players tops could/will beat Federer next year. I'm including Gasquet (Roger's mini-me) in this mix.

atheneglaukopis
11-12-2006, 09:53 PM
True though this is it is not realistic. There seems to be some feeling among some Safin fans that he is the only guy who is on off and everyone else is on top form all the time. In fact no-one plays at their highest level always. Agreed, completely.

For sure Marat is an extreme case in that he goes from great to awful very quickly and vice versa. However, it is not as if even Federer plays great all the time. I can count on one hand the amount of times Federer has played his very best tennis for a whole match in his career. The main difference is that many guys pull it together even when their not playing that great and Marat often doesn't.True; also, his high is higher and his low lower than a lot of others'. :lol:

belgampaul
11-13-2006, 01:25 AM
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=90276

Pfloyd
11-13-2006, 02:54 AM
Federer will lose to five people:

Rafael Nadal

Rafa

El Matador

Fed-Killa

R. Nad (ESP)

CmonAussie
11-13-2006, 03:38 AM
3-players will probably beat Fed in 07..

1. Hewitt [once ~ hopefully at AO]
2. Safin [once ~ hopefully at USO]
3. a Mr.Nobody lucky two shoes [once ~ probably at Cincy]

PS. Federer will never lose to Nadal again on any surface!!

Breakdown
11-13-2006, 07:13 AM
I think Rogi might be beaten 4-7 times next season;
Nadal(largely on caly), Nalby, Gasquet, Murray, Safin, Haas may be able to do that;
yet, again a lot will depend on Roger's condition;

oz_boz
11-13-2006, 07:34 AM
Nadal most probably; the big issue here is whether Roger plays well enough to get to a clay AMS final.

Nalbandian? Always a possibility. He may be the only one that can outrally Fed on any surface, but lacks consistency.

I actually fancy Davydenko's chances; he ought to be lucky at least once against Fed and why not in 2007?

Murray, Gasquet, Berdych if they have a really good day. Marat or Haas also.

PimPim? :lol: Fed is 11-1 against Roddick. I don't see why Pim should be more difficult for him to handle.

Jaffas85
11-13-2006, 07:55 AM
Hopefully in 2007 Davydenko defeats Nadal in the French Open semis so Federer can finally win the French Open by defeating Davydenko in the final.

Federer defeating Nadal at he French Open still seems like a 40/60 prospect.

richie21
11-13-2006, 08:34 PM
Although I agree to a certain extent about things getting harder for Roger I'm not so sure about Richie. Gasquet doesn't match up well against Federer. I know he beat him in MC but he played great then and it was on clay. Add that to Roger not knowing his game and the fact that it was still only a third set TB and you get an upset, not a sign that Gasquet has the right game to beat Federer. I definately don't think it will happen outside of clay and to be honest on clay Gasquet plays the type of offensvie tennis that Roger knows exactly how to beat. I don't think Gasquet will beat Federer again until Federer is past his best or until Federer has an off day.

i had myself (high) doubts about Gasquet being a threat to Federer next year but after having seen his highly impressive match against a very good Safin in Lyon,i must say that i wouldn t be surprised if he beat Roger again next year.
His return of serve and even his serve have really improved a lot.

megadeth
11-13-2006, 08:48 PM
Nadal most probably; the big issue here is whether Roger plays well enough to get to a clay AMS final.

Nalbandian? Always a possibility. He may be the only one that can outrally Fed on any surface, but lacks consistency.

I actually fancy Davydenko's chances; he ought to be lucky at least once against Fed and why not in 2007?

Murray, Gasquet, Berdych if they have a really good day. Marat or Haas also.

PimPim? :lol: Fed is 11-1 against Roddick. I don't see why Pim should be more difficult for him to handle.

the big issue here is whether nadal will get it together for next year! fed didn't have a problem making it to the finals whatever surface it may be...

Zirconek
11-18-2006, 02:18 PM
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=90276

:lol:

I think Federer will lose to...
Dubai: (WC) Omar Bahrouzyan (UAE) - Fly Emirates
Wimbledon: Tomas Zib (CZE) - the Czech version of Bruce Willis, according to Nathaliia :haha:

superhoops
11-22-2006, 05:21 PM
With Federer's masterclass in TMC it shows he can still easily beat the best the world has to offer. Just he didn't play Murray that is why he didn't lose.

Jim Courier
11-22-2006, 05:44 PM
Federer will have to cake care if he draws clay specialists at RG before Nadal. RG is a great place for upsets, and you never know what upcoming clay crocodile you will draw. Or hell, even an on-fire French player at home can be dangerous if the match gets tight and the crowd is involved.

I could see Federer being in a very dangerous situation against Canas or Puerta, an in form Calleri, or some unknown new Spanish sensation. Especially a very motivated Canas in a good day, he can be as tough to beat as Nadal.

Anyway i don't think it is possible to go undefeated through the entire season, i mean that's harder than a calendar Grand Slam..

So wild guess Nadal, Canas, Gasquet. Federer is so dominating on everthing else than clay that it is hard to imagine him losing anywhere else, but it will have to happen, maybe not next year though. An AO Fed-Nadal final would be such a great way tostart the year.

LaTenista
11-22-2006, 05:48 PM
I think 3 of the following:

Nadal, Safin, Gasquet, Berdych, Roddick

Fedex
11-22-2006, 05:48 PM
Anyway i don't think it is possible to go undefeated through the entire season, i mean that's harder than a calendar Grand Slam..

Well if you went undefeated in a season, then chances are you also won the Grand Slam. ;)

Jim Courier
11-22-2006, 05:54 PM
Well if you went undefeated in a season, then chances are you also won the Grand Slam. ;)
that was the point :)
people are here talking nonchalently (does that word exist in English?i mean tranquilly in their seats at the corner of a fire, with a pipe and a Labrador at their feet) about an undefeated season, even though the last GS was decades ago..

bokehlicious
11-22-2006, 05:55 PM
Safin is one of the few players who you can actually say they can beat Roger in a fairly consistent succession.

Funny :lol:

Gulliver
11-22-2006, 07:11 PM
Why anyone picks Nalbandian I do not know, as Federer has won the last 8 out of 9 matches. If the win at TMC 2005 had meant anything, we would have seen it but Fat Dave is useless. As for Safin, the H2H is 2/7 and his supporters have been riding on the AO SF 2005 which was a one off.

When, not if, Federer loses, it will be to an on fire Suzuki clone/relative unknown in the 1st or 2nd round of a best 2/3 sets in a howling gale. Get past these rounds and he's meeting those he knows.

simpletennis
11-22-2006, 07:52 PM
if he goes undefeated nxt year, it'll have been quite a boring season. i'm thinking some random up-and-comer will beat him on clay. most of the people who've beaten him in the last 3 years, were under 20, and not ranked too high with the exception of nadal at the clay events, and marat last year at AO, oh yea, and nalby at TMC

oz_boz
11-23-2006, 09:25 AM
Maximum of 3 different ones...I'm even going to stick my neck out and say that if Fed is really careful with his scheduling, he might not lose at all in 2007 :shrug:

i can see that happening

Federer will lose only if tired. So, if he keeps a good schedule, he won't lose next year.

:haha: Come on folks, you can't be serious here. Fed's last two years are outstanding, but he still had 9 losses, the ones on clay to Rafa very convincing ones. He also faced matchpoints on a few occasions.

Why anyone picks Nalbandian I do not know, as Federer has won the last 8 out of 9 matches. If the win at TMC 2005 had meant anything, we would have seen it but Fat Dave is useless. As for Safin, the H2H is 2/7 and his supporters have been riding on the AO SF 2005 which was a one off.

Nalby still gives Roger headaches, 1st set of TMC or even better Rome (3rd tiebreak) or RG (retirement). I'd rather pick him than almost any other player. Safin is more questionable, but still if he's on, he stands a chance, something you can't say for most of the other players, who have to hope for Fed playing subpar.

Google
11-23-2006, 10:56 AM
Rafa has chance, but only in clay

Gulliver
11-23-2006, 12:40 PM
[QUOTE=oz_boz;4489912


Nalby still gives Roger headaches, 1st set of TMC or even better Rome (3rd tiebreak) or RG (retirement). [/QUOTE]

We're not talking about who gives Federer headaches, but to whom he will lose. If you want to list those for whom Federer might need an aspirin after the match try Rochus, Ljubicic, Roddick, Suzuki........bet they're the ones who had to go for a lie down in a darkened room :)

doddel
11-23-2006, 01:29 PM
Federer will have to cake care if he draws clay specialists at RG before Nadal. RG is a great place for upsets, and you never know what upcoming clay crocodile you will draw. Or hell, even an on-fire French player at home can be dangerous if the match gets tight and the crowd is involved.

I could see Federer being in a very dangerous situation against Canas or Puerta, an in form Calleri, or some unknown new Spanish sensation. Especially a very motivated Canas in a good day, he can be as tough to beat as Nadal.


exactly. Any clay court match is dangerous.

I actually see quite a few people who could beat Fed:

Nadal, Safin, Nalby, clay court specialists
Roddick came so close, so why not him?
Berdych, Gasquet, Ljube, Davydenko, all good candidates

and then the surprise defeat: Suzuki, Rochus. If they can do it, a lot of players could, given a perfect day and a tired/sloppy Fed

+80 - 10 would already be a great achievement ;)

Xristos
11-23-2006, 02:57 PM
In Japan I will beat JesusFed.

scarecrows
11-23-2006, 04:26 PM
2

Nadal and some lucky guy that will take advantage of Fed tanking

R.Federer
11-23-2006, 04:46 PM
Assuming Roger is fit, then if David is physically fit and mentally focussed, same with Safin, they will challenge. Nadal definitely will challenge, Gasquet, Roddick, Ljubicic. Any of these could get a win against Federer next year. (Andy Murray, I don't think so. He does feel he got a convincing win this year, but I wasn't really convinced).

I don't think Hewitt will challenge any more, sadly; he has not improved his game much in a year and he was already finding it difficult against Federer.

Naranoc
11-23-2006, 05:32 PM
3/4 :

- Nadal
- a 'young-gun'
- some random guy at the begining of a tourny
- someone else in the top 10.

prima donna
11-23-2006, 06:27 PM
7 to 8.

Safin_Lova
11-23-2006, 11:16 PM
I accept that possibly Marat has a chance to beat Roger in '07 just like everyone else does but the rest of your post is totally nonsensical.

Beat him in a consistent succession? First and foremost this doesn't actually make sense but I guess your point is clear although that is also incorrect. Marat has never beaten Roger twice in a row so succession is not the right word. As for consistently. :confused: He beat Roger two times in matches over 2 years apart.

You would never hear someone say that Roger beats Nadal in fairly consistent succession but the Roger vs. Marat H-2-H is more lopsided than the Rafa vs. Roger H-2-H.

That Marat is a player who gives Roger a large amount of trouble is a total myth that stems from one sensational victory of Marat's. I do not deny that it is a decent starting point for saying Marat is able to beat Roger but there is no more evidence. Marat got one great win on a big stage deep in a fifth set. Remember people, Federer has won all of the other meetings in the past 4 years, 3 of them in straight sets.

Look at the irony of the statement you said that I put in bold, Marat can beat federer sucessively, even Lungren Feds former coach, who coached fed for many years said it. Anyway the point I am tring to make is that marat BEAT federer when federer was at his prime, and lost to him so many times, when federer was not at his prime. This shows more about marat that you admit. He pulls up his game against the better players, hence when federer is number one in the wordl, which he is, marat plays better, but when fed was just just an up and comer marat didnt really care to beat him. Besides, if I recall in 2005 in the Halle final ON GRASS, marat with an INJURED knee took federer to three sets in the final on federers best surface.

Black Adam
11-24-2006, 05:38 PM
Marat, Dave, Rafael, Andy and the Joker(Djokovic :devil: )

stebs
11-25-2006, 03:24 PM
Look at the irony of the statement you said that I put in bold, Marat can beat federer sucessively, even Lungren Feds former coach, who coached fed for many years said it. Anyway the point I am tring to make is that marat BEAT federer when federer was at his prime, and lost to him so many times, when federer was not at his prime. This shows more about marat that you admit. He pulls up his game against the better players, hence when federer is number one in the wordl, which he is, marat plays better, but when fed was just just an up and comer marat didnt really care to beat him. Besides, if I recall in 2005 in the Halle final ON GRASS, marat with an INJURED knee took federer to three sets in the final on federers best surface.

Okay. So you want to say Marat didn't care abnout beating him when he wasn't number one? I believe that is rubbish but even if it wasn't Federer has won 4 of 5 since he became number one in the matches you say he 'cares' about. Where is there a shred of evidence that Marat can beat federer succesively?

Of course Lundgren would say Safin can beat Federer when he was his coach. It's the obvious thing to do. I am not trying to tell you that Safin is not a great player, he can be. I am not trying to tell you that there's no chance for Safin to beat Federer, there is. All I'm trying to say is that your views on this matter are clearly biased to high heaven. Your name is Safin_lova. I am not surprised that you have it in your head that Safin is gonna come out and kill Fed 5 times in a row in 2007, my point is just that there is no evidence that that will happen.

Safin is unlikely to beat Federer in 2007 in my opinion anyway. When he beat him it wasn't just a case of blowing him off court, he had to play great in other areas too. His movement is not what it once was and I think that could cost him dearly against Federer, the only place I see Marat winning against Roger, assuming Roger doesn't play horribly, is on an indoor court.

Safin_Lova
11-26-2006, 10:14 AM
Okay. So you want to say Marat didn't care abnout beating him when he wasn't number one? I believe that is rubbish but even if it wasn't Federer has won 4 of 5 since he became number one in the matches you say he 'cares' about. Where is there a shred of evidence that Marat can beat federer succesively?

Of course Lundgren would say Safin can beat Federer when he was his coach. It's the obvious thing to do. I am not trying to tell you that Safin is not a great player, he can be. I am not trying to tell you that there's no chance for Safin to beat Federer, there is. All I'm trying to say is that your views on this matter are clearly biased to high heaven. Your name is Safin_lova. I am not surprised that you have it in your head that Safin is gonna come out and kill Fed 5 times in a row in 2007, my point is just that there is no evidence that that will happen.
Safin is unlikely to beat Federer in 2007 in my opinion anyway. When he beat him it wasn't just a case of blowing him off court, he had to play great in other areas too. His movement is not what it once was and I think that could cost him dearly against Federer, the only place I see Marat winning against Roger, assuming Roger doesn't play horribly, is on an indoor court.




Sorry but it seems you have me all wrong. Firstly, I AM NOT BIASED, if you look at the histroy of my posts you will realise that I said some things about other players apart form marat. Just because my user name is Safin_Lova does not mean anything. I am not biased, I like many other players and have praised them on various occasions. To answer your question, there is evidence that safin can beat beat federer sucessively , in Tennis masters cup 2004 he was close and then in AO 2005, he beat him, playing his best, then injured his knee, like I said in Halle on grass he could have won, but MAYBE it was his knee. Besies his had many injuries and his ranking had gone down many times. It seems you dont seem to understand how hard it is to come back to a new number one all the time.

On the thing you said that I bolded you have me ALL WRONG, completely. I DO NOT have it in my head the safin can do it all, and AM NOT biased at all. Did I say that safin is going to come out and kill federer 5 times in a row in 2007? No I just said he can beat him.

Anyway I didnt mean to cause a stir, and I just wanted to say that you are wrong about me being biased, so many other posters have user names with their favourite players names does that mean they are biased? No. With reagrds to original theme though, maybe you are right, but with regard to what Lundgren said, I think he knew perfectly well what he was talking about, he coached fed for 7 years and knew alot about him. So don't call his words just the words of a coach doing his job.
Anyway, I dont want to offend you in anyway, or hurt your feelings, I just needed to say some things which I feel you got wrong. Sorry if I offended you in any way or said something mean. :) I am not a mean person, just maybe a little misunderstood on this forum.
To repeat the point , I am not biased in any way toward marat or paraisng him to high heaven. Besides the crticts of the game think the same thing.
Any way sorry one again for the length of my ramble, but I had to clear some things out. Once again Sorry. :wavey:

stebs
11-26-2006, 10:28 AM
To answer your question, there is evidence that safin can beat beat federer sucessively , in Tennis masters cup 2004 he was close and then in AO 2005, he beat him, playing his best, then injured his knee, like I said in Halle on grass he could have won, but MAYBE it was his knee. Besies his had many injuries and his ranking had gone down many times. It seems you dont seem to understand how hard it is to come back to a new number one all the time.

Okay, before I answer your post, sorry about the biased thing. I know it's annoying to be called biased when your not so I apologise.

Okay, about the post. :) He wasn't that close in 2004. It was a straight sets defeat. Sure, it was tight. An epic breaker but you can't say you were close to beating someone successively when you have a 5 set win and a straight sets loss. Sure it's hard to come back, I'm not questioning that but it bears no relevance to the conversation.

With reagrds to original theme though, maybe you are right, but with regard to what Lundgren said, I think he knew perfectly well what he was talking about, he coached fed for 7 years and knew alot about him. So don't call his words just the words of a coach doing his job.

Agreed. He helped Marat push Fed because he knew his game. Nevertheless there is no way Lundgren is ever gonna say anything other than what he said. There may be a sub-text to it but yes, Lundgren was just a coach doing his job.

Anyway, I still think that you're kind of wrong. Safin would have to play a stunning match to beat Federer, he doesn't match up well. I, personally don't think he can do it on any court other than indoor due to limitations in his movement. We'll see anyway.

So what I said is water under the bridge yes? :):p I hope so.

Safin_Lova
11-26-2006, 10:51 AM
Okay, before I answer your post, sorry about the biased thing. I know it's annoying to be called biased when your not so I apologise.

Apology accepeted :)


Okay, about the post. :) He wasn't that close in 2004. It was a straight sets defeat. Sure, it was tight. An epic breaker but you can't say you were close to beating someone successively when you have a 5 set win and a straight sets loss. Sure it's hard to come back, I'm not questioning that but it bears no relevance to the conversation.

Your right with what you say here. I admit thats not beating someone, but he had a rough 2004, coming back from injury, but he was close.


So what I said is water under the bridge yes? :):p I hope so.

Ok I agree. Its ok we differ in opinon, but everyone has the right to express their personal view, and I accept yours. :wavey: :angel:

OSmeone
11-26-2006, 11:45 AM
I don't think that Federer will be able to maintain this average of 5 losses per year. I expect he'll lose more often in small tournmanets and maybe Masters Series, but will prove too tough in the slams. So I'd say a more human-like 7 or 8 losses in 2007.

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Joyce_23
11-26-2006, 02:42 PM
I don't see him losing much, Nadal on clay (not all matches on the surface), maybe some youngster like Murray, Safin has a slight chance. Nalbandian can beat him when he's a 100%.
Anything can happen though, a part of Fed's invincibility is the the fact that nobody believes they can win from him. If anyone should be able to surprise him early in the year it would be another matter. Players need to feel they have a chance against him, when that happens he could start to lose more matches. I really don't see that happening this year though so I stand by my first statement, a maximum of four people beating him.

wenty
11-27-2006, 09:53 AM
I'm hoping Nalbandian, Nadal and Safin.

nsidhan
12-02-2006, 08:46 PM
IMO only two players can really threaten Fed.

Nadal - on clay, hard court
Safin - AO or USO

Fed will lose at least one match to Nadal on clay BUT this won't be at the FO ;). He could possibly lose one more to Nadal on hardcourt. Fed will lose once to Safin, IFF Safin wins the "brain fight" (quoting Safin interview after 2005 AO SF) between them.

No other player can beat Federer because they don't believe they can beat him. Look at those players who were so close to beating him in 2006 but just faded away in the closing stages. Safin and Nadal are not afraid of Federer. Now, Nalbandian isn't afraid of Federer but Federer's game has gotten so much better than his in the past one year.

Burrow
12-02-2006, 09:50 PM
Canas, Joachim Johansson, Safin

safin-rules-no.1
12-02-2006, 10:23 PM
Canas, Joachim Johansson, Safin

6/0 - 6/1 - 6/0 - Safin beats Federer in 3rd round of Aussie open:D :D :devil:

superhoops
12-02-2006, 11:04 PM
Nadal to beat fed on a hard court LMAO. I can name 10 players with a better chance on a hard court.

MisterQ
12-02-2006, 11:15 PM
Nadal to beat fed on a hard court LMAO. I can name 10 players with a better chance on a hard court.

Nadal beat him on hard court earlier this year.

superhoops
12-02-2006, 11:17 PM
Nadal beat him on hard court earlier this year.

Yes i know but look at Nadal's form in the last six months.

NATAS81
12-05-2006, 04:53 PM
Nobody mentioned Joachim until he beat Nadal.

:haha:

Gonzo Hates Me!
12-07-2006, 03:01 AM
that would be nice if he just got an injury. go sit in time out corner mister.

Federerhingis
12-07-2006, 05:20 AM
I don't think that Federer will be able to maintain this average of 5 losses per year. I expect he'll lose more often in small tournmanets and maybe Masters Series, but will prove too tough in the slams. So I'd say a more human-like 7 or 8 losses in 2007.

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Je suis d'accord. 6-9 losses is quite plausible. Clay may pose a greater challenge in '07 than in '06.

Federerhingis
12-07-2006, 05:24 AM
I'm hoping Nalbandian, Nadal and Safin.

These three are very likely winners. Roddick and Blake follow but I don't think rebound ace suits Blakes flat groundies that much.

I would expect that Roddick and the first three choices make it at least to the quarters or better. (if all are in good form and healthy of course)