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"A tough time for federer...", a quote by hrbaty!

FSRteam
11-10-2006, 01:16 PM
What do you think of hrbaty's quote on davydenko?

"I don't think I ever played anybody who played better than he did today," said Slovakian Dominik Hrbaty, the Russian's opponent in the final. "If he plays as well as he did here, he's going to give Federer a tough time."

Deathless Mortal
11-10-2006, 01:24 PM
Federer should not be afraid of Davydenko. Hrbaty lost, and was looking for excuse.

silverarrows
11-10-2006, 01:36 PM
Fed will smoke Nikolay in two straight sets. Something like 6-3, 6-1.

Horatio Caine
11-10-2006, 02:15 PM
I think he's right...Federer struggles most against players who are solid from the back of the court. If Kolya is playing consistently excellent stuff, there is no reason why he can't give Federer a tough time...but beating him is a different story. Think back to the AO 2006...Fed got a little lucky there :shrug:

senorgato
11-10-2006, 02:18 PM
I think he's right...Federer struggles most against players who are solid from the back of the court. If Kolya is playing consistently excellent stuff, there is no reason why he can't give Federer a tough time...but beating him is a different story. Think back to the AO 2006...Fed got a little lucky there :shrug:

Um, players today are only good from the back of the court and Fed doesn't seem to be struggling against any of them.

Katastrophe
11-10-2006, 02:30 PM
What do you think of hrbaty's quote on davydenko?

"I don't think I ever played anybody who played better than he did today," said Slovakian Dominik Hrbaty, the Russian's opponent in the final. "If he plays as well as he did here, he's going to give Federer a tough time."

Nothing against Davydenko of course, but I don't put too much stock in this quote. Hrbaty is using himself as a reference point, which is irrelevant when discussing Davydenko's chances against Federer.

TheMightyFed
11-10-2006, 02:57 PM
Nothing against Davydenko of course, but I don't put too much stock in this quote. Hrbaty is using himself as a reference point, which is irrelevant when discussing Davydenko's chances against Federer.

Well said. Did he take into account Davi's H2H against Fed ? :rolleyes:

PamV
11-10-2006, 03:00 PM
What do you think of hrbaty's quote on davydenko?

"I don't think I ever played anybody who played better than he did today," said Slovakian Dominik Hrbaty, the Russian's opponent in the final. "If he plays as well as he did here, he's going to give Federer a tough time."

It sounds like a gracious comment. I am sure Federer agrees that Davydenko might give him a tough time. He has in the past.

lordmanji
11-10-2006, 03:40 PM
pete bodo's appraisal of davydenko as a human litmus test is by far the most accurate of a description of davy's game i can think of. davy is solid in every respect: backhand, forehand - i'd go on but id merely be listing parts of the game. but players who can beat him are usually players that have the x factor in them, who can take their game to the next level of not just rallies but constructing points and like roddick who has a 4-0 record against davy, have a huge weapon to back up the rest of their game.

Horatio Caine
11-10-2006, 04:12 PM
Um, players today are only good from the back of the court and Fed doesn't seem to be struggling against any of them.

Then who are Murray and Nadal?

Those 2 are some of the best returners in the game...and are also able to control rallies.

LK_22
11-10-2006, 04:22 PM
Davydenko will have to play as well as he did in Paris and play like this constantly against Federer. IF he can I think he could make it tough for Federer, but Federer is still the favourite :p

revolution
11-10-2006, 04:22 PM
PMK showed in Melb that if he plays his best tennis he can bother him. Only his brain stopped him from going two sets to one ahead.

GlennMirnyi
11-10-2006, 04:33 PM
Nothing against Davydenko of course, but I don't put too much stock in this quote. Hrbaty is using himself as a reference point, which is irrelevant when discussing Davydenko's chances against Federer.

Hrbaty defeated Federer in 2004. :rolleyes:

Sunset of Age
11-10-2006, 04:35 PM
It sounds like a gracious comment. I am sure Federer agrees that Davydenko might give him a tough time. He has in the past.

yeah, I get this impression as well. That said, Davy IS on fire, so... who knows. Hope to see an interesting match!

Feketepuss
11-10-2006, 04:36 PM
Then who are Murray and Nadal?

Those 2 are some of the best returners in the game...and are also able to control rallies.

I can think of a great many compliments to pay Nadal but he really, honestly, truly, isn't one of the best returners of the modern game. On clay, yes, but if you look at his statistics off that surface, he really is a pretty poor returner (by the very highest standards, of course.) The ATP published some statistics and he was well down. Federer and Davydenko are the best, with Federer the more impressive because he plays far fewer second division tournaments.

GlennMirnyi
11-10-2006, 04:49 PM
Then who are Murray and Nadal?

Those 2 are some of the best returners in the game...and are also able to control rallies.

:haha:

Yeah, right! :rolleyes:

Katastrophe
11-10-2006, 04:57 PM
Hrbaty defeated Federer in 2004. :rolleyes:

In Cincy, of course. :rolleyes:

GlennMirnyi
11-10-2006, 05:02 PM
In Cincy, of course. :rolleyes:

Defeated Federer after he started his domination. I know that even Murray got that, so it's no big deal, but... :p

rmb6687
11-10-2006, 05:15 PM
wow...some of you guys are so bitchy. as someone said, he was being gracious....and if you beat federer...you beat federer, putting qualifiers like 'in cincy' is just stupid.

t0x
11-10-2006, 05:15 PM
He would trouble Federer, but beating him is an entire different matter so it makes no difference.

Nadal one of the best returners? That's a laugh, anything fast and he's in trouble!

rosamunda
11-10-2006, 07:13 PM
To be honest, I think Hrbaty played appallingly in that Bercy final. He just couldn't do anything right and he made it easy for Davydenko to walk all over him. He is very very good but Hrbaty did nothing to force him to do anything special other than play a good solid game. A different matter, I think, when Federer is on the other side of the net and he will have to play some high-risk tennis to push him.....which he might do, but I'd be really surprised if it turns out to be more than an irritating and sporadic itch for Federer. Fed cruised through the US Open semi without even a heat bump, and I didn't see anything extra in Davy's game in Paris.....except that an inferior opponent allowed him to play more shots with no pressure.

r2473
11-10-2006, 07:27 PM
What do you think of hrbaty's quote on davydenko?

"I don't think I ever played anybody who played better than he did today," said Slovakian Dominik Hrbaty, the Russian's opponent in the final. "If he plays as well as he did here, he's going to give Federer a tough time."

I would sure hate to be in Fed's shoes. Fed's and Hrbaty's games are almost identical. If Davydenko can beat Hrbaty, he should easily be able to beat Fed. I think Hrbaty went on to say that, "Fed would be toast if we ever met, but lucky for Fed I usually lose in the early rounds against low ranked players".

When Hrbaty speaks, people should listen.

Jlee
11-10-2006, 07:29 PM
Davydenko H2H with Fed is 0-8...:tape:

JustJames
11-10-2006, 07:30 PM
Davydenko H2H with Fed is 0-8...:tape:

Dont be fooled...figures dont always tell the full story ;)

Jlee
11-10-2006, 07:33 PM
Dont be fooled...figures dont always tell the full story ;)

That's true. ;) But if a player beats another 8 straight times you have at least to consider that. Federer cleaned him up pretty well in NY.

rosamunda
11-10-2006, 07:34 PM
I would sure hate to be in Fed's shoes. Fed's and Hrbaty's games are almost identical. If Davydenko can beat Hrbaty, he should easily be able to beat Fed. I think Hrbaty went on to say that, "Fed would be toast if we ever met, but lucky for Fed I usually lose in the early rounds against low ranked players".

When Hrbaty speaks, people should listen.

Priceless!!:worship:

rosamunda
11-10-2006, 07:38 PM
Exactly, just ask Vitas Gerulaitis about his rivalry with Borg- he agrees with you. :p

Bit tricky to do that........unfortunately......:sad:

Katastrophe
11-10-2006, 07:41 PM
Bit tricky to do that........unfortunately......:sad:

Remembered as soon as I posted. Sorry about that. Such a sweetheart that I hate to remind myself. :sad:

jazar
11-10-2006, 07:42 PM
hrbaty played pretty bad in the paris final, but he also wasnt given that much of a chance to play well. in most matches davydenko doesnt need to play as well as he would have to in order to beat federer, but sometimes he plays a single set that is amazing. he did it against murray at the US open and against hrbaty in paris. if he can do that if he plays federer in shanghai he will trouble federer, but for all of 10 minutes. federer has the most variety and his slice causes davydenko all kinds of problems-it bounces low and skids through and as his form on grass courts show, he doesnt like that kind of bounce.
so yeah, he can give federer a tough time, but only for a while and not over the duration of a match.

rosamunda
11-10-2006, 07:44 PM
Remembered as soon as I posted. Sorry about that. Such a sweetheart that I hate to remind myself. :sad:

Don't apologise - easily done. Just reminded me for a moment of the sadness of it.

JustJames
11-10-2006, 07:44 PM
That's true. ;) But if a player beats another 8 straight times you have at least to consider that. Federer cleaned him up pretty well in NY.

People may see a 16-0 head to head record..but everyone seems to forget..

1978 Dallas WCT : Gerulaitis Df. Borg W/O :worship: ;)

Sad to hear that he has now passed away :sad:

Katastrophe
11-10-2006, 07:49 PM
People may see a 16-0 head to head record..but everyone seems to forget..

1978 Dallas WCT : Gerulaitis Df. Borg W/O :worship: ;)

Sad to hear that he has now passed away :sad:

I forgot about the walkover. ;)

Here's another priceless quote- "Nobody beats Vitas Gerulaitis 17 times in a row" – after finally beating Jimmy Connors following sixteen straight losses.

He was just great...

PamV
11-10-2006, 07:51 PM
yeah, I get this impression as well. That said, Davy IS on fire, so... who knows. Hope to see an interesting match!

By why so much focus on Davy v. Federer right now??? Shouldn't focus be on who Davy will beat in the Gold group first? Hrbaty is good friends with Roger so I know that comment wasn't any kind of put down toward him. He's just giving credit to Davy for playing so well.

RonE
11-10-2006, 07:54 PM
There is no doubt he can give Federer a tough time- heck, he has done it in some of their previous matches even though Davy has lost them all.

In Miami 2004 Roger narrowly defeated him 7-5 in the third- in the Olympics that year their match went to three sets too. Of course the toughest of their encounters for Federer was that Australian Open quarterfinal match they played earlier this year- Davydenko just as easily could have won the third set which was decided on a knife's edge in the breaker and then it would have been a whole new ballgame. Kolya simply lacked the belief he needed to close Fed out there so in that regard Roger was fortunate.

To be fair to Federer I do not think he really played up to par by his standards in that match but that was his fault as he started solidly as he did in his previous match against Haas and then his level dropped allowing Davydenko back into it and then it was a dogfight.

So I do think that even against a healthy Federer, yes Davydenko can trouble him. But actually getting to match point and taking it? Well, we will have to see if he has that kind of self belief- perhaps his win in Paris would have instilled some of that in him? We shall soon find out.

Sjengster
11-10-2006, 07:58 PM
I remember their first ever meeting in Milan 2002, when Davydenko was ranked 80 or 90 in the world, lasted three hours and finished 7-5 in the third, and that of course was on indoor carpet (Rotterdam last year was reasonably close too, 5 and 5). Winning 4 sets off Federer in 8 meetings is a noteworthy achievement, Roddick has only managed 5 in 12 meetings but importantly that did include a match victory.

tangerine_dream
11-10-2006, 08:05 PM
I'm surprised people are talking up Davydenko as a potential threat to Roger. Davy's not strong enough to withstand the likes of Roger. He may play well in the beginning but mentally Davy will fall to pieces in the end, just like everybody else does.

disturb3d
11-10-2006, 08:21 PM
Nikolay is a less intelligent version of Nalbandian. But makes up for it with consistency and a stubborn attitude.

Scoreline-wise, he should trouble Federer in a similar manner as Nalbandian does.
Unlike with Nalbandian, there's no question to whom the big points are going to.

Nalbandian, Nalbandian, Nalbandian. And If Nalbandian doesn't screw Federer in straight sets tommorrow, then IM screwed.

DrJules
11-10-2006, 09:04 PM
I'm surprised people are talking up Davydenko as a potential threat to Roger. Davy's not strong enough to withstand the likes of Roger. He may play well in the beginning but mentally Davy will fall to pieces in the end, just like everybody else does.

After Nadal he is probably the 2nd biggest threat to Roger Federer. Who else is more likely to challenge.:lol: :lol: :lol:

Davydenko has been on an upward curve for the last 2 years.

DrJules
11-10-2006, 09:05 PM
Nikolay is a less intelligent version of Nalbandian. But makes up for it with consistency and a stubborn attitude.


Difficult to verify.

However, he is certainly slimmer.

disturb3d
11-10-2006, 09:17 PM
Difficult to verify.

However, he is certainly slimmer.Racist.