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Without Federer...

susuteko
11-09-2006, 06:30 AM
His 9 slams would most probably won by these players (only the 7
players defeated by Fed enroute to his victory at a particular slam can
be considered):

W 03: Roddick
AO 04: Safin
W 04: Roddick
USO 04: Agassi/Hewitt
W 05: Roddick
USO 05: Hewitt/Agassi
AO 06: Baghdatis
W 06: Nadal
USO 06: Roddick


Thus the new slam count for these players are:


Roddick = 1+4 = 5
Safin = 2+1 = 3
Hewitt = 2+1 = 3
Nadal = 2+1 = 3
Agassi = 8+1 = 9
Baghdatis = 0+1 = 1


We are talking about a Sampras and Borg reincarnation at the same era,
plus two more multiple slam winners in Hewitt and Safin. Not to mention
Agassi moving out of the 8-slam group, and another player from the
latest generation making their mark, making it the batle of 3
generations of tennis. I guess Federer ruined the whole thing.

rmb6687
11-09-2006, 08:00 AM
not only is this topic really depressing (since three of those players are some of my favorites) but it's also pointless considering we really don't know that those players could not have been beaten by someone else (however unlikely that may seem now)


totally off-topic tho...why have you all of sudden decided to post...you've been on MTF forever, vbetting even...and only two posts? I would say welcome, but that is rather superfluous.

MariaV
11-09-2006, 08:19 AM
Bad bad Federer! :devil: :lol:

susuteko
11-09-2006, 08:25 AM
Unlike others, I have not been given the gift of time, hence not able to actively involve in discussions here. Only today out of nowhere I have some spare time :)

TheMightyFed
11-09-2006, 08:27 AM
Totally irrelevant as we don't know how the draws would have looked like through the rounds without Fed. Plus dynamics in top players psyche (domination, confidence) would have been very different without Fed, nobody really knows what the tour would look like. Fore example maybe Roddick would have even more slams than what you say with already two more Wimbies under his belt and possibly a number 1 ranking....

moon language
11-09-2006, 08:29 AM
I think the US Open 06 would have gone to Blake.

susuteko
11-09-2006, 08:32 AM
Out of the 7 players Fed beat en route to his victory at a particular slam, you just chose one of them based on head to head, form at that moment etc. to come up with possible winners of that particular slam. Any other players are not eligible since they were beaten by some other player at some point in the tournament. Of course you could argue for different player to win the major, as long as it is one of the 7 players beaten by Fed.

susuteko
11-09-2006, 08:33 AM
I think the US Open 06 would have gone to Blake.
Come on, Blake?

TheMightyFed
11-09-2006, 08:36 AM
Out of the 7 players Fed beat en route to his victory at a particular slam, you just chose one of them based on head to head, form at that moment etc. to come up with possible winners of that particular slam. Any other players are not eligible since they were beaten by some other player at some point in the tournament. Of course you could argue for different player to win the major, as long as it is one of the 7 players beaten by Fed.

But leaving the number one seed to another player would change a lot of things from the begining IMO, it is not just Fed disapearing before the match where he beat another favorite, so this is not accurate...

susuteko
11-09-2006, 08:37 AM
Totally irrelevant as we don't know how the draws would have looked like through the rounds without Fed. Plus dynamics in top players psyche (domination, confidence) would have been very different without Fed, nobody really knows what the tour would look like. Fore example maybe Roddick would have even more slams than what you say with already two more Wimbies under his belt and possibly a number 1 ranking....
I'm trying to minimise the number of variables as much as possible, hence the above is the most direct/simple outcome if we want to speculate what happen without Federer.

CmonAussie
11-09-2006, 08:38 AM
His 9 slams would most probably won by these players (only the 7
players defeated by Fed enroute to his victory at a particular slam can
be considered):

W 03: Roddick
AO 04: Safin
W 04: Roddick
USO 04: Agassi/Hewitt
W 05: Roddick
USO 05: Hewitt/Agassi
AO 06: Baghdatis
W 06: Nadal
USO 06: Roddick

Thus the new slam count for these players are:

Roddick = 1+4 = 5
Safin = 2+1 = 3
Hewitt = 2+1 = 3
Nadal = 2+1 = 3
Agassi = 8+1 = 9
Baghdatis = 0+1 = 1

I guess Federer ruined the whole thing.
:wavey: Susuteko~> you`re obviously a Roddick fan-- do you seriously think Roddick would have won 5-Slams if it were`t for Roger:confused:


AO 04: Hewitt ~ lost to Federer in Rd4 [tough 4-setter]:sad:
W 04: Hewitt ~ lost to Federer in QF [tough 4-setter]:sad:
USO 04: Hewitt ~ lost to Federer in F [broke Hewitt`s 16-match win streak]:sad:
W 05: Hewitt ~ lost to Federer in SF [closer than the F with A Rod]:sad:
USO 05: Hewitt ~ lost to Federer in SF [tough 4-setter]:sad:

>>>>-->>
Therefore HEWITT would have 2 + 5 Slams = 7-Slams total:cool:

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11-09-2006, 08:44 AM
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scarecrows
11-09-2006, 08:53 AM
:eek: adagio for strings

susuteko
11-09-2006, 08:59 AM
:wavey: Susuteko~> you`re obviously a Roddick fan-- do you seriously think Roddick would have won 5-Slams if it were`t for Roger:confused:


AO 04: Hewitt ~ lost to Federer in Rd4 [tough 4-setter]:sad:
W 04: Hewitt ~ lost to Federer in QF [tough 4-setter]:sad:
USO 04: Hewitt ~ lost to Federer in F [broke Hewitt`s 16-match win streak]:sad:
W 05: Hewitt ~ lost to Federer in SF [closer than the F with A Rod]:sad:
USO 05: Hewitt ~ lost to Federer in SF [tough 4-setter]:sad:

>>>>-->>
Therefore HEWITT would have 2 + 5 Slams = 7-Slams total:cool:
As a matter of fact, I have never been a fan of roddick, and at some point I think I will never will be. More like hate actually. However after endless beating by roger time and again, I guess I have developed some soft spot for him. Of course when he start to win majors again, I will be ready to hate him again. But at the moment, I'm sorry he will get beaten by fed again next week at least once.

As far as Hewitt goes, I don't think he can beat Roddick in Wimbledon, and the two times he lost to Fed at USO, so does Agassi, and you know it's hard to pick when Hewitt meet Agassi. So I give him half and half for a total of 1 extra major. As for Ao 04 he was beaten in R4, too far away from the final, so he could loose at any point after that. Easier to pick Safin.

MilMilCho
11-09-2006, 09:00 AM
:wavey: Susuteko~> you`re obviously a Roddick fan-- do you seriously think Roddick would have won 5-Slams if it were`t for Roger:confused:


AO 04: Hewitt ~ lost to Federer in Rd4 [tough 4-setter]:sad:
W 04: Hewitt ~ lost to Federer in QF [tough 4-setter]:sad:
USO 04: Hewitt ~ lost to Federer in F [broke Hewitt`s 16-match win streak]:sad:
W 05: Hewitt ~ lost to Federer in SF [closer than the F with A Rod]:sad:
USO 05: Hewitt ~ lost to Federer in SF [tough 4-setter]:sad:

>>>>-->>
Therefore HEWITT would have 2 + 5 Slams = 7-Slams total:cool:

I also think Hewitt Would have won more grand slams if it werent for Federer.
Roddick had never beaten Hewitt in any grand slam tournament before, except the 06 Usopen. So without Federer, Hewitt probably would have won more slams.
But without Federer, probably everything would be different, so it would be quite hard to know who would have won more grand slams.

moon language
11-09-2006, 09:06 AM
Come on, Blake?

Blake beat Roddick both times they played this year.

susuteko
11-09-2006, 09:13 AM
I also think Hewitt Would have won more grand slams if it werent for Federer.
Roddick had never beaten Hewitt in any grand slam tournament before, except the 06 Usopen. So without Federer, Hewitt probably would have won more slams.
But without Federer, probably everything would be different, so it would be quite hard to know who would have won more grand slams.
I know things would be really different if Fed was not around. But my post above suggests some insight into what might happen. As you can see what a tough era it can turn out.

susuteko
11-09-2006, 09:18 AM
Blake beat Roddick both times they played this year.
I don't want to use the word choker or anything, but Blake has yet to prove himself in a amjor. The two wins are during IS/IGS tournaments played with bo3 format.

leng jai
11-09-2006, 09:21 AM
I think its safe to say that Hewitt would have at least 2 more slams had it not been for Federer.

moon language
11-09-2006, 09:25 AM
I don't want to use the word choker or anything, but Blake has yet to prove himself in a amjor. The two wins are during IS/IGS tournaments played with bo3 format.

That's fine. I still think he would have beat Roddick.