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TMC: Who is the weakest link?

tangerine_dream
11-08-2006, 10:09 PM
Who will be the Clown of the clowns this year (that is, the guy who wins no sets and/or no RRs at TMC)

Rogiman
11-08-2006, 10:12 PM
Is there really a question?

Tommy "please guys, be gentle with me" Robredo

DrJules
11-08-2006, 10:13 PM
Who will be the Clown of the clowns this year (that is, the guy who wins no sets and/or no RRs at TMC)

The answer is implicitly in the poll currently running which requests the name of the 4 players expected to reach the semi-final. I think a rather small number expect Robredo to progress.

I expect this poll to look the inverse of that other poll.

tangerine_dream
11-08-2006, 10:15 PM
I didn't see that other poll. :(

My poll is more fun. Everybody pick a clown! :D

megadeth
11-08-2006, 10:20 PM
3 folks have the capability of being the clown there... david, andy, and tommy

Jlee
11-08-2006, 10:23 PM
Robredo...I kind of hope he surprises everyone though :lol:

Klaas_nalbandian
11-08-2006, 10:25 PM
guess no surprise who will win this pole, but you never know maybe he wins a match,

he is tommy ofcourse

scarecrows
11-08-2006, 10:38 PM
you wanna give Boredo a chance to win smth with this poll?

Naranoc
11-08-2006, 10:40 PM
Robredo's winning something!

:banana:

It would be hilarious if he really did manage to shock everyone by getting to the semi's, but I just can't see it happening.

EDIT: 1000 posts reached :D

DrJules
11-08-2006, 11:08 PM
Somebody voted for Federer.

Fed=ATPTourkilla
11-08-2006, 11:10 PM
It was me, he sucks.

Actually, I just wanted to see the results and couldn't be bothered moving my mouse down to Robredo.

uNIVERSE mAN
11-08-2006, 11:13 PM
Robredo has no business being in the TMC. And this will be proven next week.

adee-gee
11-08-2006, 11:15 PM
Ljubicic is clearly the biggest clown.

Robredo is the weakest link though :)

RaVeR
11-08-2006, 11:19 PM
Roddick Is The Biggest Clown!!!

Sunny_Boy
11-08-2006, 11:26 PM
No doubt it's Robredo

revolution
11-08-2006, 11:27 PM
TANGY YOU SHOULD HAVE CLICKED THE BOX SO WE CAN SEE WHO VOTED FOR WHOM! :o

partygirl
11-08-2006, 11:33 PM
i voted for the big "L" which stands for loser.

atheneglaukopis
11-08-2006, 11:58 PM
i voted for the big "L" which stands for loser.What does "F" stand for, failure? ;)

Sunset of Age
11-09-2006, 12:20 AM
As someone else already said somewhere else, there's 7 players in this tournament, and one doormat. :devil:
I would like to see that supposed 'doormat' to get through, though! :angel:

revolution
11-09-2006, 12:43 AM
As someone else already said somewhere else, there's 7 players in this tournament, and one doormat. :devil:
I would like to see that supposed 'doormat' to get through, though! :angel:

Well last year's doormat won't have been Puerta as he is the door itself.

sunsfuns
11-09-2006, 12:43 AM
Yeah, this one doesn't require particular wisdom. I can't see how Robredo could possibly beat some one...

RickDaStick
11-09-2006, 12:43 AM
Andy Roddick you are the weakest link, Goodbye!!

aussie12
11-09-2006, 12:45 AM
definetly robredo, he doesnt have a great head to head vs any of the other players

Macbrother
11-09-2006, 01:02 AM
Seriously, was this thread really necessary? Was there *any* doubt whatsoever who was going to dominate this poll?

GlennMirnyi
11-09-2006, 01:11 AM
Boredo shouldn't be here. As other players have choked and gave him the spot, now he will be spanked. Regular business.

partygirl
11-09-2006, 01:21 AM
spankings are not bad to watch. -:P

revolution
11-09-2006, 01:22 AM
Boredo shouldn't be here. As other players have choked and gave him the spot, now he will be spanked. Regular business.

Seb. :o

R.Federer
11-09-2006, 01:31 AM
Tommy is going to spring a Shanghai Surprise, you heard it here first. :)

Merton
11-09-2006, 01:52 AM
On paper, there is no doubt it is Robredo.

tangerine_dream
11-09-2006, 01:58 AM
Somebody explain to me how both Roger and Rafa got 4 votes but Davydenko still has none. :scratch:

Crazy MTFers. :p

Merton
11-09-2006, 02:06 AM
Somebody explain to me how both Roger and Rafa got 4 votes but Davydenko still has none. :scratch:

Crazy MTFers. :p

:secret: The opinion poll should be public.

cmurray
11-09-2006, 02:52 AM
Who the hell voted for Rogi? Or Raf for that matter? I wouldn't say that Rafa is going to beat James (though I think he's due) but come on.

mrserenawilliams
11-09-2006, 02:57 AM
*death* that Fed got 4 votes and Davydenko got 0 :haha: :bs:

Regenbogen
11-09-2006, 03:32 AM
Robredo, but Roddick could possibly end up doing the worst :tape:

Argenbrit
11-09-2006, 04:03 AM
Somebody explain to me how both Roger and Rafa got 4 votes but Davydenko still has none. :scratch:

Crazy MTFers. :p

:lol:


I voted for Robredo.

Katastrophe
11-09-2006, 04:06 AM
Who the hell voted for Rogi? Or Raf for that matter? I wouldn't say that Rafa is going to beat James (though I think he's due) but come on.

I thought you were joking at first! Repeated votes for #1 and #2- yep, makes a lot of sense. :p

selyoink
11-09-2006, 04:52 AM
Robredo barely edges Blake for this vote. However, I do think Robredo will beat Blake in Shanghai. He will be smoked in the other two matches though. Meanwhile Blake will beat Nadal again but lose to Davydenko.

El Legenda
11-09-2006, 05:53 AM
just for the record, Roddick still sucks

~EMiLiTA~
11-09-2006, 06:03 AM
who really knows...there could be some big surprises

Action Jackson
11-09-2006, 06:39 AM
Polls should be public.

I am going for Federer and Nadal.

partygirl
11-09-2006, 07:09 AM
just for the record, Roddick still sucks
http://www.freesmileys.org/emo/violent014.gif

aussie_fan
11-09-2006, 07:29 AM
Easily Roberdo. We're not playing on clay so that makes it even harder for him.

Kalliopeia
11-09-2006, 07:30 AM
The hottest link is always the weakest. :sobbing:

But...Marat's not in the Master's this year! :confused:

jazar
11-09-2006, 07:39 AM
robredo will win the poll but not any matches. fernando gonzalzez should take his place, even though ancic is first reserve. gonzalez would make it much more exciting

Katastrophe
11-09-2006, 03:36 PM
robredo will win the poll but not any matches. fernando gonzalzez should take his place, even though ancic is first reserve. gonzalez would make it much more exciting

I would have considered that scenario an early Xmas present. Too bad it didn't happen. Gonzo is great for the game.

Fergie
11-09-2006, 04:02 PM
Tommy :(

But If James plays like in Madrid or Paris :help:

tangerine_dream
11-09-2006, 04:17 PM
Are you kidding me? 149 votes and not one is for Davydenko. :eek:

Yes, I probably should have made the poll public but I thought most people would vote if it were anonymous.

Still. No votes for Davy so far. :ignore:

Agatha_christie
11-09-2006, 04:47 PM
No one voted for Nikolay :worship:

Naranoc
11-09-2006, 04:55 PM
Davydenko's the favourite :D

Sunset of Age
11-09-2006, 05:38 PM
heheh. Looks like Davydenko is going to win!
Wouldn't mind that, BTW.

scoobs
11-09-2006, 05:42 PM
Sorry, has to be Robredo - whatever the day-to-day states of their games, the other 7 players at least have a discernible strong weapon or two in their arsenal. Robredo is a very good player but he has nothing outstanding up his sleeve and his H2H against the other 7 pretty much reflects that.

CooCooCachoo
11-09-2006, 05:45 PM
robredo will win the poll but not any matches. fernando gonzalzez should take his place, even though ancic is first reserve. gonzalez would make it much more exciting

Why should Gonzalez take his place?

Why is it so hard to accept that Robredo just did better throughout the year, which is exactly why he is here in Shanghai, and Gonzalez is not?

CooCooCachoo
11-09-2006, 05:46 PM
heheh. Looks like Davydenko is going to win!
Wouldn't mind that, BTW.

Uhm, I think you misunderstand the meaning of the poll :)

Deea
11-09-2006, 05:51 PM
oooh, who else? :rolls: :rolls: tommy!!! the result is simply :tape:...108 votes so far :haha:

Wednesday Addams
11-09-2006, 06:03 PM
Tsk, poor Tommy, he gets no respect :p :lol:

Sunset of Age
11-09-2006, 06:14 PM
Uhm, I think you misunderstand the meaning of the poll :)

heheh. I meant to say that according to this poll, Davy has a good chance of winning the tournament. :wavey:

AnnaK_4ever
11-09-2006, 06:30 PM
Ex-PMK rules!
:woohoo:

DrJules
11-09-2006, 06:36 PM
Are you kidding me? 149 votes and not one is for Davydenko. :eek:

Yes, I probably should have made the poll public but I thought most people would vote if it were anonymous.

Still. No votes for Davy so far. :ignore:

Not totally unreasonable.

We know Davydneko is playing well indoors winning Paris and beating Robredo in the semi-final. Therefore, there is a feeling he is almost certain to beat Robredo who is in his group. Meanwhile there are possible injury doubts around Nadal, Roddick and Ljubicic. Also many consider Davydenko to be in the easier group.

enzogiovanni
11-09-2006, 07:22 PM
Who will be the Clown of the clowns this year (that is, the guy who wins no sets and/or no RRs at TMC)

I would have voted for Davidenko, Blake AND Robredo, but since they are all in the same group that outcome will be impossible and we shall see at least 1 "clown" in the semifinals...
I gave my vote to Blake (although I was really really undecided between him and Robredo)...
interesting to see how many people voted nadal and ljubicic. I must compliment them for their tennis knowledge and overall sportsmanship...

CooCooCachoo
11-09-2006, 07:22 PM
heheh. I meant to say that according to this poll, Davy has a good chance of winning the tournament. :wavey:

I understand what you are saying, but it is not correct :)

If you start a poll asking people who they think will win, Davydenko won't be winning. From this poll you can infere very little to nothing about who is the favourite to win :)

doublebackhand
11-10-2006, 07:02 AM
I would have voted for Davidenko, Blake AND Robredo, but since they are all in the same group that outcome will be impossible and we shall see at least 1 "clown" in the semifinals...
I gave my vote to Blake (although I was really really undecided between him and Robredo)...
interesting to see how many people voted nadal and ljubicic. I must compliment them for their tennis knowledge and overall sportsmanship...

what about the 9 who voted for federer?

Nadie
11-10-2006, 10:41 AM
No votes for Kolya :eek: :woohoo:

bokehlicious
11-10-2006, 10:42 AM
The 2 Spaniards will be the weaker links...

shruti
11-10-2006, 10:49 AM
No votes for Kolya
:rocker2:

deliveryman
11-10-2006, 02:07 PM
lol why is Federer even an option?

And why the hell does he more votes than Davydenko and Nalbandian ROFL.

Haters these days... tsk tsk

Horatio Caine
11-10-2006, 03:18 PM
I think there's a chance that every player can win 1 match in the groups...Boredo is probably the more inferior player, but I think he has a shot against Davydenko. Equally, I see Roddick, Ljubo and Bandy being able to beat each other...sure going to be interesting! :cool:

smucav
11-10-2006, 04:09 PM
http://www.tennisone.com/magazine/larson_news.php
Patsy, Patsy, Who's Got the Patsy?

Like it or hate it, one effect of the round robin format is that you can't get rid of anybody. Barring a severe injury that causes someone to withdraw, a loss doesn't eliminate a player.

It was Elena Dementieva's performance at Madrid that set us thinking about this, but really, the sense is that the patsy is more common on the men's side than the women's -- the men have more clay, and more clay specialists. We can name lots of surface specialists on the women's side, but few of them are top players. Even Dementieva is an all-surface (well, all-surface-except-grass) player; she just seems to have a year-end jinx.

We can't really look for patsies on the women's side; they haven't been playing round robins long enough. But the men have a long history to work on. Let's look back on fifteen years and look for patsies. Our definition of a patsy is simple: A patsy is someone who goes 0-3 in round robin play. An extreme patsy is one who fails even to win a set. So here are the results over the years:

1991: Frankfurt:
Patsies: Novacek (won one set)
Extreme Patsies: Stich

1992: Frankfurt
Patsies: Chang (won one set), Korda (won one set)
Extreme Patsies: --NONE--

1993: Frankfurt
Patsies: Bruguera (won one set), Courier (won one set)
Extreme Patsies: --NONE--

1994: Frankfurt
Patsies: Ivanisevic (won one set)
Extreme Patsies: Berasategui

1995: Frankfurt
Patsies: Muster (won three sets), Kafelnikov (won one set)
Extreme Patsies: --NONE--

1996: Hannover
Patsies: --NONE-- (Agassi was 0-1 then withdrew)
Extreme Patsies: --NONE--

1997: Hannover
Patsies: --NONE-- (Rusedski and Bruguera were 0-2, Muster was 0-1)
Extreme Patsies: --NONE--

1998: Hannover
Patsies: Kucera (won two sets) (Costa was 0-2; Agassi and Rios were 0-1)
Extreme Patsies: --NONE--

1999: Hannover
Patsies:
Extreme Patsies: Lapentti

2000: Lisbon
Patsies: M. Norman (won one set)
Extreme Patsies: --NONE--

2001: Sydney
Patsies: Kuerten (won two sets)
Extreme Patsies: Rafter

2002: Shanghai
Patsies: Safin (won two sets) (Agassi was 0-2, T. Johansson was 0-1)
Extreme Patsies: --NONE--

2003: Houston
Patsies: Ferrero (won one set)
Extreme Patsies: --NONE--

2004: Houston
Patsies:
Extreme Patsies: Gaudio, Coria

2005: Shanghai
Patsies: Coria, Puerta (Agassi was 0-1)
Extreme Patsies: --NONE--

The total score: in 15 years, we had 20 patsies. The list, in alphabetical rather than chronological order:

Berasategui 1994, Bruguera 1993, Chang 1992, Coria 2004, Coria 2005, Courier 1993, Ferrero 2003, Gaudio 2004, Ivanisevic 1994, Kafelnikov 1995, Korda 1992, Kuerten 2001, Lapentti 1999, Muster 1995, Norman 2000, Novacek 1991, Puerta 2005, Rafter 2001, Safin 2002, Stich 1991

Thus only one player has been a repeat patsy: Coria. But there is more. Of our twenty patsies, there were seven extreme patsies. That list, in alphabetical order:

Berasategui 1994, Coria 2004, Coria 2005, Gaudio 2004, Puerta 2005, Rafter 2001, Stich 1991

This list reveals two things. First, Coria was not only the only two-time patsy, but he was a two-time extreme patsy.

What's more, if we look at the seven instances of extreme patsies, five -- Berasategui, Coria twice, Gaudio, and Puerta -- were absolute and complete clay specialists.

There is no obvious cure for this; it's not the Grand Slam wildcard messing things up, since only Gaudio ever won Roland Garros. And it's not too bad when there are two patsies, one in each group, since they balance out. But it's most unfortunate when one patsy really throws off one side of the draw.

Fortunately that appears unlikely to happen at this year's Masters Cup; all the players have at least some results on faster surfaces. On the flip side, there are three players whose best surface is probably clay -- and they're all in one group.

We'll have to see what that does to the Patsy Statistics.

Beat
11-10-2006, 04:11 PM
Ljubicic is clearly the biggest clown.

Robredo is the weakest link though :)
:yawn:

tangerine_dream
11-10-2006, 06:14 PM
No votes for Kolya :eek: :woohoo:
Not any more. Kolya finally got two votes. *twirls finger in air* ;)

Thanks for that Patsy article, smucav. Very interesting. Poor Coria. :hug:

JCF
11-10-2006, 09:56 PM
After Federer, Nadal, Nalbandian, Ljubicic. The drop in quality is ridiculous. It honestly is.
Whose knows whose dick the rest of the top 10 sucked to get where they are.

:lol: and ppl go on about the depth of quality on the ATP tour. I wish I could see that.

NATAS81
11-10-2006, 09:58 PM
Joachim would take a set off any of these guys, but it's a 12 month season, not 2.

Dancing Hero
11-10-2006, 09:59 PM
Have to say Robredo looks the weakest link, but you never know, he could surprise many people.

DrJules
11-10-2006, 10:08 PM
It would be rather funny if somebody changed the thread title to:

"Who do you think will win Shanghai?":lol: :lol: :lol:

enzogiovanni
11-11-2006, 03:53 AM
what about the 9 who voted for federer?

I suppose he got all the votes from The Gracious Rafael's fans :p

artlinkletter
11-11-2006, 04:00 AM
http://www.tennisone.com/magazine/larson_news.php

Didn't Coria take a set off of Federer in 2005, a 6-1 set at that. Thus, not making him a double extreme patsy?

artlinkletter
11-11-2006, 04:06 AM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=dEWe7Z-moig

:) He really isn't, but I'm surprised no one has posted this yet.

MarieS
11-11-2006, 06:28 AM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=dEWe7Z-moig

:) He really isn't, but I'm surprised no one has posted this yet.

:rolls: i was JUST thinking of doing that as I was reading through the thread.

only two votes for Davy=the Bandwagon Player of the month :banana: :banana: :banana:

Pfloyd
11-11-2006, 07:15 AM
Wow. According to this Poll, Davydenko is the stongest link and has the best chances of winning TMC.

NATAS81
11-11-2006, 07:16 AM
No, he doesn't.

You know he will also be near the bottom if they asked who would win it.

Fed and Nadal haters have no lives and must popularize their idols as best they can.

Naranoc
11-11-2006, 07:19 AM
Of course he actually doesn't, it's just what is implied according to this poll because of the hater-voters.

tangerine_dream
11-15-2006, 08:15 PM
SECOND RR COMPLETED

Player..................Win-Loss.........Sets Win-Loss

Red Group
Federer, R...............2-0.................4-2
Roddick, A...............1-1.................3-3
Ljubicic, I................1-1.................3-3
Nalbandian, D..........0-2.................2-4

Gold Group
Blake, J...................2-0.................4-1
Davydenko , N..........1-1................3-3
Nadal, R..................1-1.................2-2
Robredo, T...............0-2.................1-4

Naranoc
11-15-2006, 08:19 PM
^ :lol: Guess the 167 voters were right then (so far of course!)

Allure
11-15-2006, 09:35 PM
:haha: at the people who picked Roger.

roddick#1tome
11-16-2006, 05:03 AM
roberedo = elena

mrserenawilliams
11-16-2006, 07:00 AM
:haha: :rolls: at the 16 people who voted for Blake...he's first one to qualify for the semis :haha: dumb ass haters :lol:

tangerine_dream
11-17-2006, 04:02 PM
THIRD RR COMPLETED

Player..................Win-Loss.........Sets Win-Loss

Red Group
Federer, R...............3-0.................6-2
Nalbandian, D..........1-2.................4-4
Roddick, A...............1-2.................3-5
Ljubicic, I................1-2.................3-5

Gold Group
Nadal, R..................2-1.................4-3
Blake, J...................2-1.................5-3
Davydenko , N..........1-2.................4-5
Robredo, T...............1-2.................3-5

Naranoc
11-17-2006, 04:36 PM
Roddick, Ljubicic and Robredo tied as the weakest links :lol:
Thanks for that :)

CooCooCachoo
11-17-2006, 04:38 PM
Bah that Nadal is through. Bah. Bah. Bah.

DrJules
11-17-2006, 07:24 PM
THIRD RR COMPLETED

Player..................Win-Loss.........Sets Win-Loss

Red Group
Federer, R...............3-0.................6-2
Nalbandian, D..........1-2.................4-4
Roddick, A...............1-2.................3-5
Ljubicic, I................1-2.................3-5

Gold Group
Nadal, R..................2-1.................4-3
Blake, J...................2-1.................5-3
Davydenko , N..........1-2.................4-5
Robredo, T...............1-2.................3-5

Has anybody worked out the games tie break to determine the weakest link at the masters.

(6)T Robredo (ESP) d (8)J Blake (USA) 62 36 75
(2)R Nadal (ESP) d (6)T Robredo (ESP) 76(2) 62
(3)N Davydenko (RUS) d (6)T Robredo (ESP) 76(8) 36 61 (games won: 37 lost: 42)

(1)R Federer (SUI) d (4)I Ljubicic (CRO) 76(2) 64
(4)I Ljubicic (CRO) d (7)D Nalbandian (ARG) 57 76(7) 75
(5)A Roddick (USA) d (4)I Ljubicic (CRO) 64 67(9) 61 (games won: 41 lost: 49)

Does this make Ljubicic the weakest link.

Net Cord
11-17-2006, 07:31 PM
Has anybody worked out the games tie break to determine the weakest link at the masters.

If my math is right, it would go:

#6 Roddick: 42-42
#7 Robredo: 37-42
#8 Ljubicic: 41-49

DrJules
11-17-2006, 07:41 PM
Ivan Ljubicic you were the weakest link in Shanghai - goodbye.

Naranoc
11-17-2006, 07:49 PM
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b184/Naranoc/anne_robinson_weakest_link.jpg

:scared:

tangerine_dream
11-17-2006, 08:23 PM
What are the TMC rules? Does it go: Match win, set win, games win? If that's the case then Robredo is the weakest link.

FOUR WEAKEST LINKS

Player..................Win-Loss.........Sets Win-Loss.........Games Win-Loss

Red Group
Roddick, A...............1-2..........................3-5.................42-42
Ljubicic, I................1-2..........................3-5.................41-49

Gold Group
Davydenko , N..........1-2..........................4-5.................46-47
Robredo, T...............1-2..........................3-5.................37-42

Net Cord
11-17-2006, 08:24 PM
What are the TMC rules? Does it go: Match win, set win, games win? If that's the case then Robredo is the weakest link.

FOUR WEAKEST LINKS

Player..................Win-Loss.........Sets Win-Loss.........Games Win-Loss

Red Group
Roddick, A...............1-2..........................3-5.................42-42
Ljubicic, I................1-2..........................3-5.................41-49

Gold Group
Davydenko , N..........1-2..........................4-5.................46-47
Robredo, T...............1-2..........................3-5.................37-42

Match wins, % of sets won, then % of games won.

Black Adam
11-17-2006, 08:29 PM
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b184/Naranoc/anne_robinson_weakest_link.jpg

:scared:

well she isn't that nasty with the players.............she is nothing compared to Laurence Boccolini :scared:
http://www.blog-art.com/alexperimental/datas/img/misc_notes/Laurence_Boccolini_in_Le_maillon_faible__by_TF1.jp g

Now the Ljubo fans who have a Roddick Sucks Motto will be hibernating till next year because their guy ended up the weakest link(Robredo's presence makes that worse) :haha: :haha: :rolls:

R.Federer
11-17-2006, 10:04 PM
Now the Ljubo fans who have a Roddick Sucks Motto will be hibernating till next year because their guy ended up the weakest link(Robredo's presence makes that worse) :haha: :haha: :rolls:

Ah but Ljube-job (I say that with affection) was in the dreaded Red Group. The players, the officials, and the commentators all agreed that this was the "death group" --in Andy's words, so cut the weak links from that group some slack.