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Johnny Groove
11-08-2006, 03:02 AM
...And the groups are....

Red Group: Federer, Ljubicic, Roddick, Nalbandian

Gold Group: Nadal, Davydenko, Robredo, Blake

RickDaStick
11-08-2006, 03:04 AM
I would love to see Nadal and Ljubo in the same group as would Ljubo.

robinhood
11-08-2006, 03:07 AM
I want to see Nadal, Roddick, Nalbandian, and Ljubicic in the second group.

Johnny Groove
11-08-2006, 03:10 AM
I want to see Nadal, Roddick, Nalbandian, and Ljubicic in the second group.

:devil:

Federer, Davydenko, Robredo, Blake group :zzz:

Jaffas85
11-08-2006, 03:13 AM
Nadal to be in a group against Blake, Roddick and Davydenko.

Roger The Great
11-08-2006, 03:20 AM
I really want to see Nadal play Roddick, Ljubo, and Nalbandian next week. Those would be awesome matches.

robinhood
11-08-2006, 03:21 AM
:devil:

Federer, Davydenko, Robredo, Blake group :zzz:

With Federer, I think any group will be :zzz:.
I just want the exciting match-ups that I've been waiting for all season long.

Roger The Great
11-08-2006, 03:22 AM
Arrgghhh!! I'm having serious typing difficulties.

Jaffas85
11-08-2006, 03:23 AM
So should Federer win undefeated his points will be 8300+?

Yappa
11-08-2006, 03:49 AM
Which combinations are possible anyways? Anyone with a quick guide?

Federer and Nadal lead each group and then get one player of 3 pairings?
pairing 1) Davy/Ljubo, 2) Arod/Tommy R, 3) Nalby/Blake?

I'd like to see:

Federer
Davy
Tommy
Nalby

Nadal
Ljubicic
Arod
Blake

SFs: Federer-Ljubicic, Roddick-Nalbandian
Final: Federer-Roddick

:devil:

will be made at 2:00 in Shanghai, AKA 3 hrs from now.

I would like to see:

Group A:

1. Federer
3. Davydenko
5. Roddick
7. Nalbandian

2. Nadal :devil:
4. Ljubo :devil:
6. Robredo
8. Blake

I think those are pretty fair :shrug:

Yeah, those groups of yours look pretty well balanced to me.

disturb3d
11-08-2006, 03:59 AM
Here's a question.
Out of the 1/2, 3/4, 5/6, 7/8 possibilities. Who would you want in your group.
A group that strangely consists of 5 players.

tangerine_dream
11-08-2006, 04:13 AM
I've been waiting all year for a Nadal-Roddick match and I hope we get it in Shanghai.

Ljubo won't even be a factor. Just like last year. :)

~*BGT*~
11-08-2006, 04:25 AM
1. Fed
3. Davydenko
6. Nalbandan
8. Blake

2. Nadal
4. Ljube
5. Roddick
7. Robredo

Jaffas85
11-08-2006, 06:08 AM
When is the draw meant to be made?

Blue Heart24
11-08-2006, 06:10 AM
will be made at 2:00 in Shanghai, AKA 3 hrs from now.

I would like to see:

Group A:

1. Federer
3. Davydenko
5. Roddick
7. Nalbandian

2. Nadal :devil:
4. Ljubo :devil:
6. Robredo
8. Blake

I think those are pretty fair :shrug:

Agree.

guga2120
11-08-2006, 06:12 AM
I would love to see Nadal and Ljubo in the same group as would Ljubo.


i hope so, i hope they play right off the bat. I would like to see Nadal play Roddick on a fast court like this too though, i would be curious to see what would happen.

Jaffas85
11-08-2006, 06:18 AM
It is now 2:18pm in Shanghai...... So when should we expect this draw?

~EMiLiTA~
11-08-2006, 06:19 AM
anytime soon i guess

Merton
11-08-2006, 06:37 AM
There are 8 possibilities for forming the groups (2^3=8) so it is interesting to see the way it will turn out.

Argenbrit
11-08-2006, 06:43 AM
http://www.atptennis.com/1/en/home/

It's done.

Red Group: Federer, Ljubicic, Roddick, Nalbandian

Gold Group: Nadal, Davydenko, Robredo, Blake


Not what we all expected, I guess. :shrug:

Blue Heart24
11-08-2006, 06:43 AM
nothing yet..they are slow :(

renee_chin
11-08-2006, 06:44 AM
Draw is out

Red Group: Federer (1), Ljubicic (4), Roddick (5), Nalbandian (7)
Blue Group: Nadal (2), Davydenko (3), Robredo (6), Blake (8)

Blue Heart24
11-08-2006, 06:44 AM
http://www.atptennis.com/1/en/home/

It's done.

Red Group: Federer, Ljubicic, Roddick, Nalbandian

Gold Group: Nadal, Davydenko, Robredo, Blake


Not what we all expected, I guess. :shrug:

:tape:

Björki
11-08-2006, 06:44 AM
No Nadal vs Nalbandian
what a pity.

Blue Heart24
11-08-2006, 06:45 AM
:help:

Deboogle!.
11-08-2006, 06:48 AM
:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

Clara Bow
11-08-2006, 06:48 AM
And let the bitching begin. ;)

I will add my 2 cents- would have loved to have seen Nalby and Nadal.

I know some folks will say Nadal an easy group, but I have to say, outside of Tommy- I don't really think so. (No offense to Tommy- just that Nadal matches up well against him.) Blake has beaten him every time and Davy is on a tear. Could be very intersting in the gold group.

krystlel
11-08-2006, 06:48 AM
What a boring draw. Could it have been any less interesting given the possibilities?

Naranoc
11-08-2006, 06:50 AM
Argh, horrible draw.

No Nadal/Roddick

No Nadal/Nalbandian

...

:banghead: :help:

renee_chin
11-08-2006, 06:53 AM
Doubles Draw

Bryan/Bryan, Hanley/Ullyett, Damm/Paes, Erlich/Ram
Bjorkman/Mirnyi, Knowles/Nestor, Santoro/Zimonjic, Fyrstenberg/Matkowski

El Legenda
11-08-2006, 06:53 AM
:rolls:

ExpectedWinner
11-08-2006, 06:53 AM
Draw is out

Red Group: Federer (1), Ljubicic (4), Roddick (5), Nalbandian (7)
Blue Group: Nadal (2), Davydenko (3), Robredo (6), Blake (8)

What a joke. Even my cynical mind refused to predict this.

disturb3d
11-08-2006, 06:55 AM
Nadal got the easiest group he could have gotten.

yanchr
11-08-2006, 06:55 AM
yeah i know that will happen...i know

Argenbrit
11-08-2006, 06:57 AM
Argh, horrible draw.

No Nadal/Roddick

No Nadal/Nalbandian

...

:banghead: :help:

And we all wanted to see that. :help: Will we ever see a Nadal-Nalbandian match? (apart from table tennis...)

World Beater
11-08-2006, 06:57 AM
:haha:

never in doubt.

Naranoc
11-08-2006, 06:58 AM
Let the conspiracy theories begin.

1) Nadal feigned injury while him and Tio Toni were actually in Shanghai bribing the tournament organisers.

Deboogle!.
11-08-2006, 06:58 AM
And we all wanted to see that. :help: Will we ever see a Nadal-Nalbandian match? (apart from table tennis...)Well it's not guaranteed, but it could theoretically happen in the semis :shrug:

Argenbrit
11-08-2006, 06:58 AM
Nadal got the easiest group he could have gotten.

Uncle Toni again. :lol:

nobama
11-08-2006, 06:59 AM
I wanted to see Nadal/Roddick. But Nalbandian....who cares. He beats a headcase like Safin and then gets bageled by Fed. I think he's a non-issue.

Clara Bow
11-08-2006, 07:00 AM
Nadal got the easiest group he could have gotten.

How is Blake easy for Nadal when James has beaten Rafael every single time? And why are people discounting Davydenko? He had great form in Paris.

But- it couldn't be MTF without the complaining about Nadal's draws. Yes- it could have been harder, but I don't think it is cupcake.

chrison
11-08-2006, 07:01 AM
Doubles Draw:
Bryan/Rryan Hanley/Ullyett Damm/Paes Erlich/ Ram

Bjorkman/Mirnyi Knowles/Nestor Santoro/ Zimonjic Fyrstenberg/Matkowski

World Beater
11-08-2006, 07:03 AM
How is Blake easy for Nadal when James has beaten Rafael every single time? And why are people discounting Davydenko. He had great form in Paris.

its all relative..he would gotten either nalby or blake...on RA, nalby may be just as tough as blake...we havent seen it..this is the easiest draw he could have gotten..

he lucked out both ljubo and roddick...and got two players who arent known for their indoor prowess...yes i know nikolay just won paris, but doesnt have the indoor pedigree of a ljubicic.

Clara Bow
11-08-2006, 07:04 AM
but doesnt have the indoor pedigree of a ljubicic.

He does have a Masters title though. ;)

Seriously- Davy may not have the pedigree yet, but I really felt like when I was watching Paris I was watching player who was possibly at a turning point in his career when he was really gaining confidence. I think Davy could be more dangerous than Roddick at this juncture. I understand by saying this - people will scoff at my opinion, but I really do think so.


I would have liked to have seen Nadal versus Andy and David in RR- but - I think that James and Koyla could be very interesting themselves. Both recently won indoor tournaments.

Deboogle!.
11-08-2006, 07:05 AM
How is Blake easy for Nadal when James has beaten Rafael every single time? And why are people discounting Davydenko? He had great form in Paris.

But- it couldn't be MTF without the complaining about Nadal's draws. Yes- it could have been harder, but I don't think it is cupcake.the draw is supposed to be hard all around, it's the top 8 players. Personally, I don't know if James will handle the pressure of his first TMC very well, we'll have to wait and see. Sure Davydenko just won Paris but I would have to think Rafa would rather play a guy like him than one of the big servers in Andy or Ivan on an indoor carpet surface. And just looking at the accomplishments and past indoor results of all 8 players, Roger's group is comprised of all players who have had a ton of success on the surface and have played a ton of big matches before. On paper, Rafa's group is a lot easier. It's not anything against Rafa and I usually don't buy into discussing whether one person got an easier draw than another, but I think it's pretty objectively clear that Rafa's draw is, at least on paper, easier. :shrug:

El Legenda
11-08-2006, 07:07 AM
well Ivan Sick Ljubicic vs Andy Hurt Roddick should be a hoot

World Beater
11-08-2006, 07:07 AM
He does have a Masters title though. ;)

yes i mentioned this a couple of words before.:( ;)

no mc draw is cupcake...but this appears the easiest one possible...

nalbandian has reached ao semis and plays well on RA.

roddick/ljubo would probably be more of a danger to nadal than davy or rob...even you know this...its all about matchups

EDIT: saw the rest of your post. but i still think matchup wise ljubicic/roddick is tougher than davydenko

nobama
11-08-2006, 07:08 AM
How is Blake easy for Nadal when James has beaten Rafael every single time? And why are people discounting Davydenko? He had great form in Paris.

But- it couldn't be MTF without the complaining about Nadal's draws. Yes- it could have been harder, but I don't think it is cupcake.Because people will always complain about his draws. I'm sure we'll be hearing the conspiracy theories about how the draw was rigged so he can end the season on a good note and have the momentum going into AO. :rolleyes:

General Suburbia
11-08-2006, 07:08 AM
Damnit. All my hopes and dreams have been crushed now.

...So anywho, predictions? Which four will make it out alive?

Deboogle!.
11-08-2006, 07:09 AM
well Ivan Sick Ljubicic vs Andy Hurt Roddick should be a hootAndy's not hurt anymore, and last I read Ljubicic isn't sick anymore? :)


nalbandian has reached ao semis and plays well on RA.
Is the surface RA or carpet? Right on the main ATP page in that little tourney lightbox thing it clearly says "Carpet" - I can't believe this is so up in the air :lol:

bad gambler
11-08-2006, 07:10 AM
Great draws, look forward to watching

Mechlan
11-08-2006, 07:12 AM
Unfortunate that neither Roddick nor Nalbandian ended up in Nadal's section. But I think we'll probably end up seeing him play one of the two in the semis.

No easy draws in the TMC, but certainly to me Nadal/Davydenko/Blake/Robredo is the easier section. Still, a great opportunity for one of the other guys to get to the semis. I have the feeling the TMC will have a somewhat different look next year.

nobama
11-08-2006, 07:12 AM
yes i mentioned this a couple of words before.:( ;)

no mc draw is cupcake...but this appears the easiest one possible...

nalbandian has reached ao semis and plays well on RA.

roddick/ljubo would probably be more of a danger to nadal than davy or rob...even you know this...its all about matchupsDo we know for sure the surface is rebound ace? I've heard it was similar to Paris and I've heard it was similar to Madrid. :shrug: Roddick and Ljubicic are both coming off injury so how do we know what their form will be like? I'm glad Fed doesn't have Davydenko. I don't want a repeat of AO, with Davydenko winning the breakers.

~EMiLiTA~
11-08-2006, 07:13 AM
Is the surface RA or carpet? Right on the main ATP page in that little tourney lightbox thing it clearly says "Carpet" - I can't believe this is so up in the air :lol:

haha i know...you'd think we'd be able to get a definitive answer to something so basic

Deboogle!.
11-08-2006, 07:17 AM
Do we know for sure the surface is rebound ace? I've heard it was similar to Paris and I've heard it was similar to Madrid. :shrug: Roddick and Ljubicic are both coming off injury so how do we know what their form will be like? I'm glad Fed doesn't have Davydenko. I don't want a repeat of AO, with Davydenko winning the breakers.Form, can't tell, but according to both John and Andy's trainer, his fitness is fine and he's been training hard :shrug:

Clara Bow
11-08-2006, 07:22 AM
yes i mentioned this a couple of words before.:( ;)

EDIT: saw the rest of your post. but i still think matchup wise ljubicic/roddick is tougher than davydenko

Sorry- I'm on an election night buzz.

I do think that Luby and Andy would be likely tougher matchup than Davy in terms of their game styles. But- at the same time- I also think that Davy could have turned a corner in terms of confidence and since he is a pretty darned good solid player- he could be more trouble than it may at first seem.

I know that Nadal could have gotten a tougher draw. My main point is that- it is not as easy as it may first appear.

World Beater
11-08-2006, 07:37 AM
Is the surface RA or carpet? Right on the main ATP page in that little tourney lightbox thing it clearly says "Carpet" - I can't believe this is so up in the air :lol:

for nalbandian, carpet/RA doesnt matter;)

Deboogle!.
11-08-2006, 07:37 AM
for nalbandian, carpet/RA doesnt matter;)I don't think it matters for a lot of these guys - they've done well on both RA and carpet. I'd like to know for my own benefit, though, I just can't believe it's so much in air :lol:

jayjay
11-08-2006, 07:38 AM
I wanted to see Nadal/Roddick. But Nalbandian....who cares. He beats a headcase like Safin and then gets bageled by Fed. I think he's a non-issue.

Really? The defending champion a non-issue?

If you say so.

Federer-Nalbandian Final again. The other 6 are non-issues. :lol:

World Beater
11-08-2006, 07:44 AM
I don't think it matters for a lot of these guys - they've done well on both RA and carpet. I'd like to know for my own benefit, though, I just can't believe it's so much in air :lol:

certainly not nadal. i also think blake isnt as good on a carpet like surface as on hc...roddick's second serve effectiveness is reduced.

nalbandian, ljubicic and federer are beasts on carpet. nalbadian with his flatter strokes and early timing. fed with the low slices that skid and ljubicic with the heat from the baseline.

Deboogle!.
11-08-2006, 07:48 AM
certainly not nadal. i also think blake isnt as good on a carpet like surface as on hc...roddick's second serve effectiveness is reduced.

nalbandian, ljubicic and federer are beasts on carpet. nalbadian with his flatter strokes and early timing. fed with the low slices that skid and ljubicic with the heat from the baseline.Yeah, but I think carpet would benefit James even if Rebound Ace is HC, he can hit his flat shots on carpet with great effectiveness like you said for Nalbandian. But Andy loves playing on Rebound Ace and has had good results, it takes his kick serve very well so I disagree that it negates his 2nd serve. Point is, all these guys can play on either surface. If it's a carpet-like surface it's not going to be super fast and Rafa can play indoors (Madrid?). One way or the other I don't think it will make a big difference in the outcome of most of the matches, i just want to know :lol:

World Beater
11-08-2006, 07:54 AM
Yeah, but I think carpet would benefit James even if Rebound Ace is HC, he can hit his flat shots on carpet with great effectiveness like you said for Nalbandian. But Andy loves playing on Rebound Ace and has had good results, it takes his kick serve very well so I disagree that it negates his 2nd serve. Point is, all these guys can play on either surface. If it's a carpet-like surface it's not going to be super fast and Rafa can play indoors (Madrid?). One way or the other I don't think it will make a big difference in the outcome of most of the matches, i just want to know :lol:

well i was talking hypothetically IF the surface was on CARPET.

so roddick's second serve effectiveness is reduced...the bounce is lower...

more importantly, there is a HUGE difference between the speed of an ra court and the speed of a carpet surface.

the RA surface allows the ball to travel vertically a lot more, whereas carpet skids allowing the ball to travel much faster through the court.

AO is much slower than USO, and true carpet is faster than USO surface. at least the carpet surface of the 90's.

madrid was an indoor hc not an RA or a carpet surface. it probably plays a little slower than the USO.

Deboogle!.
11-08-2006, 07:57 AM
well i was talking hypothetically IF the surface was on CARPET.

so roddick's second serve effectiveness is reduced...the bounce is lower...I see. Sorry, I misunderstood (it is WAY past my bedtime :lol: ). But any loss in kick he'd get would be negated by the speed of the court, as you said.

Also, there are different speeds of carpet courts, just like every other kind of court's speed can be altered by the way they lay them. They could make it a very fair carpet court that would play more like Madrid or something :shrug:

Cervantes
11-08-2006, 08:04 AM
Seriously, anyone who says Nadal's draw isn't a gift from God is out of his or her mind. If you had to name the four semifinalists before the draw you probably would have named Fed's entire group. Surely Davydenko is playing allright, but Blake and Robredo are just nowhere near the other 6 at the moment and it's not like Nadal himself has impressed lately.

Feketepuss
11-08-2006, 08:06 AM
Are you sure it will be Rebound Ace? I heard it was Teraflex carpet.

Federer described it as being akin to the Madrid surface (and he's practised on it)

World Beater
11-08-2006, 08:08 AM
I see. Sorry, I misunderstood (it is WAY past my bedtime :lol: ). But any loss in kick he'd get would be negated by the speed of the court, as you said.

Also, there are different speeds of carpet courts, just like every other kind of court's speed can be altered by the way they lay them. They could make it a very fair carpet court that would play more like Madrid or something :shrug:

yes, depending on the underlying layer the speed can be changed...the bounce wont change as much however.

nadal/roddick wont be decided on roddick's first serve. it will be decided on roddick's 2nd serve. I expect andy to serve as hard on ra as on carpet...the difference for a guy like andy serving 130-140 is negligible... on ra effectively, the serve may be 130-135...on carpet it may be effectively 135-150. either range will be more than enough to cause trouble for nadal. what will affect it more is the bounce, and this comes into play on the second serve.

Castafiore
11-08-2006, 08:10 AM
LOL

The 8 best tennis players of the year and people are still arguing about a draw. Gotta love MTF!

World Beater
11-08-2006, 08:18 AM
LOL

The 8 best tennis players of the year and people are still arguing about a draw. Gotta love MTF!

if you cant see the disparity, then you are clearly not opening your eyes...almost everyone in red group could be a possible semifinalist...

you really think boredo and nikolay are as seasoned as the guys in red group?:confused:

if you disagree then i will stop here, and not discuss with you further. no point really.

the easiest way to compare the two groups is on GS performances. we know who wins that contest.

ExpectedWinner
11-08-2006, 08:19 AM
The 8 best tennis players of the year and people are still arguing about a draw. Gotta love MTF!

First of all, 7 best players and one doormat. :devil:

And these 7 players macth up with each differently and have some history, so there's something to talk about.

Castafiore
11-08-2006, 08:19 AM
You'll always find a reason to whine about the draw.

J. Corwin
11-08-2006, 08:20 AM
oh this should be fun ;)

World Beater
11-08-2006, 08:25 AM
since when is discussing the draw "whining"

no of course...the nada doubtful for shanghai thread was far more intellectual and on-topic.

at least people are discussing tennis here...far better than the droll of other threads.

Castafiore
11-08-2006, 08:26 AM
the easiest way to compare the two groups is on GS performances. we know who wins that contest:rolleyes:
And then you'll need to talk about current form, surface, matchups,...

If Dayvdenko and Blake was in the red group and Ljubicic and Roddick in the golden group...people who love to complain about draws would still be whining: Ljubicic and Roddick are out of form while Davydenko has just won a Masters title and is confident and Nadal has never been able to win from Blake.

You can always find a reason to whine.

NYCtennisfan
11-08-2006, 08:29 AM
:rolleyes:
And then you'll need to talk about current form, surface, matchups,...

If Dayvdenko and Blake was in the red group and Ljubicic and Roddick in the golden group...people who love to complain about draws would still be whining: Ljubicic and Roddick are out of form while Davydenko has just won a Masters title and is confident and Nadal has never been able to win from Blake.

You can always find a reason to whine.

I seriously doubt that even YOU believe what you are writing. Ivan, Roddick, and Nalbandian -OR- Robredo, Davydenko, Blake. No contest. No discussion needed. What a mismatch in group strength. NOw I need to get some sleep.

refero*fervens
11-08-2006, 08:30 AM
Red Group have 10 Grand Slams between them while Gold Group collectively have 2 :p :tape: (Sorry I couldn't help it ;) ).
I just can't wait to see the matches anyway, irrespective of the draws.

adee-gee
11-08-2006, 08:30 AM
Beautiful draw :D

I would've liked Nalbandian instead of Blake in Rafa's group, but I'll take it :)

Castafiore
11-08-2006, 08:30 AM
I seriously doubt that even YOU believe what you are writing. .

READ

I said that people will always find a stupid reason to whine. It doesn't have to make sense. If the groups had been different, they would have come up with other stupid reasons.

World Beater
11-08-2006, 08:31 AM
:rolleyes:
And then you'll need to talk about current form, surface, matchups,...

If Dayvdenko and Blake was in the red group and Ljubicic and Roddick in the golden group...people who love to complain about draws would still be whining: Ljubicic and Roddick are out of form while Davydenko has just won a Masters title and is confident and Nadal has never been able to win from Blake.

You can always find a reason to whine.

some reasons are better than others. matchup wise and surface wise, the arguments are in favor of a much tougher red group and an easier blue group...its not rocket science...

current form doesnt mean anything when when the worlds top players decided to boycott the paris masters. its one thing if davydenko won paris with everyone there and another they werent....we arent definitively sure of the form of roddick/ljubo... so i see no argument there...

anyways..whatever. i should have kept to my promise and didnt. so i will do so now. waste of time...i cant believe im even entertaining this discussion...almost everyone here sees the lopsided nature of the draw bar a few.:o

World Beater
11-08-2006, 08:33 AM
I seriously doubt that even YOU believe what you are writing. Ivan, Roddick, and Nalbandian -OR- Robredo, Davydenko, Blake. No contest. No discussion needed. What a mismatch in group strength. NOw I need to get some sleep.

touche:)

adee-gee
11-08-2006, 08:35 AM
Why is everyone complaining about the draw? It looks fair to me :p

NYCtennisfan
11-08-2006, 08:37 AM
Why is everyone complaining about the draw? It looks fair to me :p

:haha:

Mechlan
11-08-2006, 08:37 AM
You'll always find a reason to whine about the draw.

True, someone will always find a reason to complain, but in this case, Nadal's group is easier. It doesn't take anything away from him to say it. He's had his share of tough draws this year.

Castafiore
11-08-2006, 08:37 AM
anyways..whatever. i should have kept to my promise and didnt. so i will do so now. waste of time...i cant believe im even entertaining this discussion...almost everyone here sees the lopsided nature of the draw bar a few.:o
I'm not surprised that you didn't keep your promise...you always like to have the last word. :p

Of course the red group is more strong indoors and on this surface but I think that people are exaggerating - as usual. Sure, if I had the choice, I would have taken Davydenko and Robredo over Ljubicic and Roddick as well.
But to talk about an "easy" draw when the best of the year are participating...well, that's pushing it.

NYCtennisfan
11-08-2006, 08:37 AM
READ

I said that people will always find a stupid reason to whine. It doesn't have to make sense. If the groups had been different, they would have come up with other stupid reasons.

Nadal is in a nice and friendly group. :)

NYCtennisfan
11-08-2006, 08:38 AM
I'm not surprised that you didn't keep your promise...you always like to have the last word. :p

Of course the red group is more strong indoors and on this surface but I think that people are exaggerating - as usual.

Nope.

yanchr
11-08-2006, 08:43 AM
Of course the red group is more strong indoors and on this surface but I think that people are exaggerating - as usual. Sure, if I had the choice, I would have taken Davydenko and Robredo over Ljubicic and Roddick as well.
But to talk about an "easy" draw when the best of the year are participating...well, that's pushing it.
Yes, people are always exaggerating, complaining, pushing things...while you are the only saint

Castafiore
11-08-2006, 08:45 AM
Nope.
Yes, they are.

Granted, the red group looks stronger. That's easy to see but Nadal will still have his hands more than full in Shanghai since the best of the year have gathered there and Blake in the same draw is simply not nice and easy for him.

Clara Bow
11-08-2006, 08:48 AM
Red Group have 10 Grand Slams between them while Gold Group collectively have 2 (Sorry I couldn't help it ).

Nine of those are from one person in the red group. ;)

NYCtennisfan
11-08-2006, 08:51 AM
Yes, they are.

Granted, the red group looks stronger. That's easy to see but Nadal will still have his hands more than full in Shanghai since the best of the year have gathered there and Blake in the same draw is simply not nice and easy for him.

First of all, the only "easy win" when playing against these guys is Robredo. I think every one of the other players expects to beat him. Then you have Blake and Davydenko. Blake can be dangerous, and Davy is steady. You're not going to get some out of this world performance from him though.

On the other side, you have Ivan who can be a beast indoors and has proved it many times, you have Roddick who can get hot and be incredibly difficult to beat on a fast or relatively fast surface, and then you have Nalbandian who on his day can beat anyone.

If you were to pick 3 players that you would want in your group, you would pick Robredo, Davy, and Blake, at least I think that's what most of the players would pick.

These groups are as lopsided as two groups could get with #1 and #2 on opposite sides.

bokehlicious
11-08-2006, 08:52 AM
Yes, they are.

Granted, the red group looks stronger. That's easy to see but Nadal will still have his hands more than full in Shanghai since the best of the year have gathered there and Blake in the same draw is simply not nice and easy for him.

If Nadal struggles in such a cakewalk group then we have to wonder if he's the REAL #2 :shrug: :p

silverarrows
11-08-2006, 08:52 AM
Oh no! :mad: Not another cupcake draw for Rafa again! :( I want A-Rod and Nalby to be in Rafa's group. That's what I've been wishing for the past week while waitng for the groupings.

General Suburbia
11-08-2006, 08:53 AM
Nine of those are from one person in the red group. ;)
Still...

Roddick has 1 slam and 4 finals
Nalby has a final
Ljubicic has mutliple semifinal appearences.

And the other group...pretty negligable.

But to talk about an "easy" draw when the best of the year are participating...well, that's pushing it.
Everyone knows that the strength of the current top ten in the past 3 years is the weakest its been in quite a while.

refero*fervens
11-08-2006, 08:54 AM
Nine of those are from one person in the red group. ;)

Yes, so we can add three people to those who don't quite like the draw ;) .

Castafiore
11-08-2006, 08:55 AM
...while you are the only saint
So you keep telling me...;)

Jack Sparrow
11-08-2006, 08:55 AM
dear guys...as often happen,nadal has a draw easier than federer....i think that in the gold group only a player can put nadal in difficulties:blake!other players(davydenko e robredo)have the same type of nadal's play,so they have no chances!red goup instead is hard....roddick and ljubo have a great serve on this surface and nalba has a great play from the baseline...so roger's match will be hard...

Lee
11-08-2006, 08:57 AM
I don't know why Fed fans are complaining. Fed will have no problem with Ljubicic and Roddick in his group and with Nalby in the same group, he will definitely won't face him in the SF. :shrug:

Clara Bow
11-08-2006, 09:01 AM
If Nadal struggles in such a cakewalk group then we have to wonder if he's the REAL #2 :shrug: :p


If Nadal struggles in a group that has a player who was in great form and won the title in Paris (Davy) and also against a player that he does not match well against and has never beaten (Blake) - we need to wonder if he is the real number two??? So Davy and Blake are "cakewalk" and "cupcake" players- even though each have five titles and are in TMC.

If Nadal gets to the semis, I imagine that some will say that he doesn't deseve to be there because he had such a cakewalk draw with two players who are in the top ten.

I think for Nadal- whatever he does will be sniffed away no matter what here at MTF.

And frankly- I thought Davy was finally getting some respect- but I see from the comments here- he is just regarded as a "cupcake" player. I do think that Nadal could have had a harder draw. But in my opinion to dismiss his RR opponents as nothing more than cupcakes is not fair to them as players who made it to the TMC. I think sometimes hyperbole is overused here.

bokehlicious
11-08-2006, 09:09 AM
If Nadal struggles in a group that has a player who was in great form and won the title in Paris (Davy)
And frankly- I thought Davy was finally getting some respect- but I see from the comments here- he is just regarded as a "cupcake" player.


Davy was lucky that Bercy's draw was lacking top players. If any of the red group players have showed up in Bercy they would have cruised to the title... :o :p

Clara Bow
11-08-2006, 09:13 AM
Ljubicic has mutliple semifinal appearences.

In grand slams? He has only 1.

I am not discounting that the red group has a more loaded GS resume. But Luby does not have multiple GS semi appearances, Davy actually has more.

Action Jackson
11-08-2006, 09:18 AM
Hahahahahahahahahaha.

MariaV
11-08-2006, 09:18 AM
How is Blake easy for Nadal when James has beaten Rafael every single time? And why are people discounting Davydenko? He had great form in Paris.

But- it couldn't be MTF without the complaining about Nadal's draws. Yes- it could have been harder, but I don't think it is cupcake.

Yeah, nothing new on MTF. :yawn:

General Suburbia
11-08-2006, 09:25 AM
In grand slams? He has only 1.

I am not discounting that the red group has a more loaded GS resume. But Davy does not have multiple GS semi appearances, Davy actually has more.

My bad. For some reason I mistook Ljubo for Davy.

aussie_fan
11-08-2006, 09:26 AM
It's an alright draw. I'm liking the red group. Looking forward to the fed v. nalbandian match, also with roddick in there, should be a fun group

The gold group isn't that bad either, sure it might eb an easier draw for nadal but he doesn't have a good record against blake, i think james will go out all guns blazing and a red hot davydenko. Nadal should get through that group fairly easily.

I think Fed and Roddick will get out of red group and nadal and davydenko (i'll go davydenko over blake because of form at the moment). Fed will beat Nadal in the final.

scarecrows
11-08-2006, 09:28 AM
only Davydenko might be a problem for Nadal

Blake was rather shit recently and Robredo is a joke

maldini
11-08-2006, 09:57 AM
red group is indeed much stronger than the gold group, but fed still won't have much trouble qualifying for the semis....as for nadal, his chances are good, but he doesn't look that strong at the moment...

Rogiman
11-08-2006, 10:06 AM
Fed is a certainty for the semis.

Nadal will be defeated by both Kolya and Blake.

jayjay
11-08-2006, 10:25 AM
Masters Cup Preview (http://sportsmagician.blogspot.com/2006/11/tennis-masters-cup-2006-shanghai.html):wavey:

vincayou
11-08-2006, 10:27 AM
Hahaha, uncle Toni at it again! :)

Anyway, any group with Robredo in it would have been considered easier, and the one with Roddick more difficult.

Blake hasn't been impressive in the last masters series, but Nalby hasn't exactly set the world alight either. Blake has won 2 tournaments one month ago, if he regains this form, Nadal will have his hands full.
Davydenko, I don't know, he has been underestimated many times, by me included. I don't think he's a big match player. More a guy who constantly beats players ranked below him.

No Nalbandian/Nadal and no Roddick/Nadal, main reason why I don't like the draw. But Roddick/Ljubo should be fun, at least on MTF.

Klaas_nalbandian
11-08-2006, 10:29 AM
don't like the dwaw , nalbi fed and roddick all has to be in the semi's

refero*fervens
11-08-2006, 10:31 AM
Masters Cup Preview (http://sportsmagician.blogspot.com/2006/11/tennis-masters-cup-2006-shanghai.html):wavey:

Thanks. Interesting.

garylanders
11-08-2006, 10:32 AM
lol, that draw is a f-----g joke =)

/GL

MrJ
11-08-2006, 10:36 AM
The best possible draw for James, just hope he takes advantage of it. :)

Has the fixture list come out yet?

Voo de Mar
11-08-2006, 10:39 AM
Groups aren't fair cause in the red group we have four potential Masters winners. In all second group is very good for Blake. He has a great H2H record vs. players in his group: Nadal (2-0), Davydenko (4-0), Robredo (3-1). A perfect occasion to play in the semi-final against second player from the other group that is escape from reliable defeat against Federer.
Go James :rocker:

Johnny Groove
11-08-2006, 10:44 AM
Semis:

Federer vs. Blake
Nadal vs. Roddick/Nalbandian

:)

disturb3d
11-08-2006, 10:48 AM
Federer must be shitting himself, in what is virtually the same line-up as last year.
And what's more, Nalbandian is again his first opponent.

Voo de Mar
11-08-2006, 10:50 AM
Where is schedule of play for the first day?

Feketepuss
11-08-2006, 10:57 AM
Federer must be shitting himself, in what is virtually the same line-up as last year.
And what's more, Nalbandian is again his first opponent.

Well, he beat Nalbandian in his first match last year.

In all fairness, he's in a much better physical condition this year than last and in the last three years (including the 2003 WCT) has only lost 1 match from 22 meetings against his opponents in the group. That one match was last year's Nalbandian final.

bokehlicious
11-08-2006, 11:00 AM
Federer must be shitting himself, in what is virtually the same line-up as last year.
And what's more, Nalbandian is again his first opponent.

Roger doesn't play in a wheelchair this year :o

disturb3d
11-08-2006, 11:03 AM
Well, he beat Nalbandian in his first match last year.

In all fairness, he's in a much better physical condition this year than last and in the last three years (including the 2003 WCT) has only lost 1 match from 22 meetings against his opponents in the group. That one match was last year's Nalbandian final.Blah blah blah. Better player. 560 match winning streak. Perfect record.
It doesn't matter.

Roger played like crap last year. He is returning to the same stage, playing against the same guy.
There will be a crapload of tension in those arms on Sunday.

Byrd
11-08-2006, 11:16 AM
Fed will play nadal in semis, you watch and see.

~*BGT*~
11-08-2006, 11:30 AM
My Dream Results:

RG 1st place- Fed
RG 2nd place- Roddick
GG 1st place- Blake
GG 2nd place- Nadal

Semis:

Fed vs. Nadal
Blake vs. Roddick

Final:

Nadal vs. Roddick :devil:

Rogiman
11-08-2006, 11:35 AM
Federer must be shitting himself, in what is virtually the same line-up as last year.
And what's more, Nalbandian is again his first opponent.H2H after this tourney: Fed 8-6 Nalbo, possibly 9-6.

FSRteam
11-08-2006, 11:36 AM
Beautiful draw :D

I would've liked Nalbandian instead of Blake in Rafa's group, but I'll take it :)


I thought you liked challenges for your little boy! ;)

To have a fair draw I think robredo should've been in the red group and a-rod in the gold one!

The gold group is just to easy for rafa this way!!!

FSRteam
11-08-2006, 11:40 AM
True, someone will always find a reason to complain, but in this case, Nadal's group is easier. It doesn't take anything away from him to say it. He's had his share of tough draws this year.

:confused: :confused: :confused:

When???
At the end of the season indoors! Yep right and we all saw what happened to him when he is facing a tough draw!

This guy is just so lucky! The only player he can be "afraid of" in his draw is blake as for the rest... oh yeh right robridiño can cause an upset!!! ;)

FSRteam
11-08-2006, 11:45 AM
First of all, the only "easy win" when playing against these guys is Robredo. I think every one of the other players expects to beat him. Then you have Blake and Davydenko. Blake can be dangerous, and Davy is steady. You're not going to get some out of this world performance from him though.

On the other side, you have Ivan who can be a beast indoors and has proved it many times, you have Roddick who can get hot and be incredibly difficult to beat on a fast or relatively fast surface, and then you have Nalbandian who on his day can beat anyone.

If you were to pick 3 players that you would want in your group, you would pick Robredo, Davy, and Blake, at least I think that's what most of the players would pick.

These groups are as lopsided as two groups could get with #1 and #2 on opposite sides.

So true!!!

Actually I was sure the draw would be like this! It is so funny rafa's draws are always so predictible.

One could really start wondering if the draws are honestly done randomly now! ;)

yomike
11-08-2006, 11:57 AM
I don't really care about the TMC grouping because Nalbandian will defend his title.

nobama
11-08-2006, 11:58 AM
I thought you liked challenges for your little boy! ;)

To have a fair draw I think robredo should've been in the red group and a-rod in the gold one!

The gold group is just to easy for rafa this way!!!
You'd rather have Nadal come in second in his group then possibly play Fed in the SF?

FSRteam
11-08-2006, 12:02 PM
Sorry- I'm on an election night buzz.

I do think that Luby and Andy would be likely tougher matchup than Davy in terms of their game styles. But- at the same time- I also think that Davy could have turned a corner in terms of confidence and since he is a pretty darned good solid player- he could be more trouble than it may at first seem.

I know that Nadal could have gotten a tougher draw. My main point is that- it is not as easy as it may first appear.


Of course beacuse those guys are all in the top 10 but still it is the easiest draw he could face!!!

FSRteam
11-08-2006, 12:04 PM
You'd rather have Nadal come in second in his group then possibly play Fed in the SF?

With a-rod and blake rafa would not even get to the semis!

But with this draw rafa will probably be second of the gold group and then face fed!!!

FSRteam
11-08-2006, 12:11 PM
And let the bitching begin. ;)

I will add my 2 cents- would have loved to have seen Nalby and Nadal.

I know some folks will say Nadal an easy group, but I have to say, outside of Tommy- I don't really think so. (No offense to Tommy- just that Nadal matches up well against him.) Blake has beaten him every time and Davy is on a tear. Could be very intersting in the gold group.

:haha: :haha: :haha: :retard:

shotgun
11-08-2006, 12:20 PM
Nadal's group is weaker for a fact, still it's a TMC group. Will be interesting to see how he deals with Blake this time, and if Davydenko can step up and prove that he can overcome top opposition and not only take advantage of good draws. As for Robredo, he has nothing to lose.

Red group - the only guy Federer has had some recent trouble against is Nalbandian, though it's not uncommon people overrate Nalbandian's abilities to defeat him (the head-to-head can be quite deceiving in this case). So I expect Nalba, Roddick and Ljubicic to kill each other for the second spot and it should be quite interesting. :)

Boris Franz Ecker
11-08-2006, 12:21 PM
Roddick won't play in this group.

ReturnWinner
11-08-2006, 12:24 PM
uy what an unbalanced groups :( what will be the surface? the same as last year? (carpet taraflex )

DDrago2
11-08-2006, 12:24 PM
Ahem, ahem.

Now, what to say?
Another masterpiece from Tony

So true!!!

Actually I was sure the draw would be like this! It is so funny rafa's draws are always so predictible.

One could really start wondering if the draws are honestly done randomly now! ;)

Of course one could, dear FSRteam, and could much earlier. Nadal had incredibly easy draw on every important occasion this season. But I honestly didn't think it will repeat in Shangai ( I thought it's Grand-Slam only ).

Whatever, I think people responsible for the draws just do Roger a favour. He is not blind, he must be boiling from inside more and more

Jimnik
11-08-2006, 12:27 PM
:lol: I love this draw. It's been perfectly arranged so that Roger will play Rafa in the semis.

Federer will win his group, whoever they put in it. Blake has drawn the only 3 players against whom he has a winning h2h. Rafa has drawn 2 baseline players who match-up nicely with him. Blake first, Rafa second - it's an almost guaranteed result.

So after Federer loses to his bogey player, we get to see Rafa take on either Ljubicic, Roddick or Nalbandian in the final. :drool: I can't wait. Thank-you TMC. :worship:

Voo de Mar
11-08-2006, 12:28 PM
uy what an unbalanced groups :(

Masters tradition, every year is just the same ;)

Yappa
11-08-2006, 12:47 PM
Well, this IS disappointing, yes.
But is a good chance for Nadal to face Federer in the SF. So at least we could have good SFs with Federer-Nadal and Blake-Roddick/Ljubicic/Nalbandian.

nobama
11-08-2006, 12:48 PM
With a-rod and blake rafa would not even get to the semis!

But with this draw rafa will probably be second of the gold group and then face fed!!!Who's going to do better than him in his group?

scarecrows
11-08-2006, 12:52 PM
Blake first, Rafa second - it's an almost guaranteed result.



the recent perfomaces of Blake give you this confidence????

BORO77
11-08-2006, 12:52 PM
I wouldnt be surprised if Nadal doesnt make the semis.
1. Blake 2. Kolya??
I dont know if Rafa will be able to play his best tennis?

but this group is a joke:eek:
the other group is much more difficult.

Deathless Mortal
11-08-2006, 12:53 PM
Ljubo to the final!!!

bokehlicious
11-08-2006, 01:11 PM
Who's going to do better than him in his group?

James' gonna care of the pig roasting one more time :devil:

FSRteam
11-08-2006, 01:20 PM
Who's going to do better than him in his group?

Euuuhh let me think... :scratch: blake!!!

Adler
11-08-2006, 01:20 PM
Fine, we'll see Nadal vs Davydenko who's better than he was ever

Jimnik
11-08-2006, 01:25 PM
the recent perfomaces of Blake give you this confidence????
Blake's h2h with Rafa and Kolya gives me confidence.

DrJules
11-08-2006, 01:26 PM
Why is everyone complaining about the draw? It looks fair to me :p

Actually for the world number 1 and 2 the draw has been favourable.

Federer plays against opponents he usually finds easy to play in the last 3 years; Roddick, Ljubicic and Nalbandian have achieved 1 victory between them against Federer in the last year. Certainly Nadal and Davydenko (Davydenko pushed Federer in the Australian Open a lot this year) in the other group are more troublesome for Federer than anyone in his group. This group could also be called the illness and injury group; Roddick recently out injured and Ljubicic and Nalbandian withdrew from events with illness.


Nadal should find Davydenko and Robredo very favourable. His only worry is Blake, but he may struggle on this big occasion. Could also be called the in form group; Davydenko won in Paris and Robredo was a semi-finalist.

artlinkletter
11-08-2006, 01:31 PM
I predict from the RG: Federer, Nalbandian, GG: Nadal, Davydenko. How come everyone is saying Federer and Nadal will play in the semis if they both make it? I thought they can/would only meet in the finals.

DrJules
11-08-2006, 01:32 PM
So after Federer loses to his bogey player, we get to see Rafa take on either Ljubicic, Roddick or Nalbandian in the final. :drool: I can't wait. Thank-you TMC. :worship:

The court may be more favourable to Federer than Nadal. If this play like most indoor courts then it could favour Federer as much as grass. Certainly it will favour Federer more than a clay court.

Actually I expect both Federer and Nadal to top their groups. However, we may even have that nighmare position where either Federer or Nadal need to lose their final match to avoid each other in the semi-final. A continual problem with these sort of events.

RickDaStick
11-08-2006, 01:32 PM
Federer-Nalby play first Sunday followed by Ljubicic and Roddick. The loser of the Ljubo-Roddick match can pack their bags for the long trip home.

Pea
11-08-2006, 01:32 PM
OMG! Is this draw for real? :tape:

zicofirol
11-08-2006, 01:35 PM
what a crappy draw, the best fast court players all in one group, while we get blake, davydenko, boredo and nadal in the other group. Horrible...

revolution
11-08-2006, 01:36 PM
:confused: :confused: :confused:

When???
At the end of the season indoors! Yep right and we all saw what happened to him when he is facing a tough draw!

This guy is just so lucky! The only player he can be "afraid of" in his draw is blake as for the rest... oh yeh right robridiño can cause an upset!!! ;)

fedtard

revolution
11-08-2006, 01:37 PM
what a crappy draw, the best fast court players all in one group, while we get blake, davydenko, boredo and nadal in the other group. Horrible...

Blame Seb ;)

if Ancic was in then both groups would be equally tough to call.

FSRteam
11-08-2006, 01:41 PM
fedtard

rafatard!

tennisgal_001
11-08-2006, 01:43 PM
I'm disappointed!!! Roddick should've swapped spots with Robredo (just to balance out the big servers, AND finally get a Nadal vs. Roddick/Nalby match), but what can you say? Despite Federer's good record against his group players, they ARE still threats on indoor surfaces, and if he doesn't come in well-prepared, it might get very tight. I honestly don't know what to make of Nadal's group!!!:confused: On one hand, under normal circumstances, Davydenko and Robredo don't pose a significant threat, but no one is sure how well Nadal will deal with the situation, especially since his last match a loss on home soil. Davydenko seems to be riding the tide in the past few weeks, and with his well-executed baseline game, he could drive anyone nuts. If Rafa's confidence is back, I can see him making the semis, but only second behind Blake, who MUST take full advantage of a godsent draw. He has an excellent record against Nadal, Robredo, and Davy, and I would like to see him do well. But no matter how "strange" this draw is, it is interesting how it'll turn out to be and unpredictable from different aspects. My SF predictions:
Blake-Nalbandian (long shot I know, but I'd like to think the def. champ will bring something more to the table than his box of donuts)
Federer-Nadal :p

Enjoy the show people ;)...

zicofirol
11-08-2006, 01:43 PM
I just have to add that this is really a shitty draw, stupid atp... THey shoudl just rig the draws...

Julio1974
11-08-2006, 01:46 PM
Federer-Nalby play first Sunday followed by Ljubicic and Roddick. The loser of the Ljubo-Roddick match can pack their bags for the long trip home.

Not so sure. Ljubicic may lose to Roddick,but then beat Nalbandian, who in turn can beat Roddick. With these three guys, anything can happen. All we know for sure is that Federer will win his three matches.

tennisgal_001
11-08-2006, 01:47 PM
I predict from the RG: Federer, Nalbandian, GG: Nadal, Davydenko. How come everyone is saying Federer and Nadal will play in the semis if they both make it? I thought they can/would only meet in the finals.

If Federer wins all his matches then he would be be group leader. If Nadal wins 2, and loses one, he'd come second to the player who'd win his 3 matches, or on sets W-L ratio difference if they both lose 1 match.
Therefore, Red Group #1 vs. Gold Group #2 = Federer vs. Nadal.

revolution
11-08-2006, 01:48 PM
rafatard!

Nope.

And just for confirmation:

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?p=4417227#post4417227

artlinkletter
11-08-2006, 01:52 PM
Yeah, that's what I thought the formula was. Just everyone kept saying semi's, as though Nadal would not place first in his group. Got me confused. Thanks:)

shotgun
11-08-2006, 01:54 PM
After three years, we'll finally get to see Nalbandian vs. Roddick again. :D

Blue Heart24
11-08-2006, 01:55 PM
Let's go Ivan!

Voo de Mar
11-08-2006, 01:58 PM
After three years, we'll finally get to see Nalbandian vs. Roddick again. :D

And finally get to see Nadal vs. Davydenko clash.

radics
11-08-2006, 02:01 PM
Very disappointing groups. I don't want to be disrespectful but the red group seems to be so much stronger (on hard) than the gold one. Also i wanted (finally) a Nadal vs Nalbandian match.

FSRteam
11-08-2006, 02:08 PM
Nope.

And just for confirmation:

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?p=4417227#post4417227

My mistake!

Sorry! :)

nobama
11-08-2006, 02:14 PM
Euuuhh let me think... :scratch: blake!!!Yeah because he did so well in Mardid and Paris. :scratch:

FSRteam
11-08-2006, 02:19 PM
Yeah because he did so well in Mardid and Paris. :scratch:

Was his indoors season worse than rafa's? :scratch:

revolution
11-08-2006, 02:19 PM
Yeah because he did so well in Mardid and Paris. :scratch:

Blake is a hard draw for Nadal, admit it. Recent form has nowt to do with it.

Just as Nalbandian is hard because he's in Federer's draw, yet if he'd gone in Nadal's he would be considered easy.

Federer will win his group and Blake will win the gold one.

Fumus
11-08-2006, 02:32 PM
Two Groups...

Red:
Federer
Roddick
Blake
Davydenko

Blue:
Rafa
Robredo
Ivan the terrible
Nalbandian

nobama
11-08-2006, 02:45 PM
Blake is a hard draw for Nadal, admit it. Recent form has nowt to do with it.

Just as Nalbandian is hard because he's in Federer's draw, yet if he'd gone in Nadal's he would be considered easy.

Federer will win his group and Blake will win the gold one.
I do think he's ha hard draw for Nadal because of match ups. But what does that have to do with Davydenko and Robredo? Blake might beat Nadal but doesn't mean he's coming out on top in his group. Davydenko and Robredo have performed better as of late.

nobama
11-08-2006, 02:49 PM
Was his indoors season worse than rafa's? :scratch:
No, but there's no guarantee he will come out on top in that group. He had crappy losses in Madrid and Paris. He can probably beat Nadal because it's a good match up. He does have winning records against Davydenko and Robredo, but Robredo beat him quite easily at AO this year. And if he plays like he did against Haas in Paris either one could beat him.

FSRteam
11-08-2006, 03:11 PM
No, but there's no guarantee he will come out on top in that group. He had crappy losses in Madrid and Paris. He can probably beat Nadal because it's a good match up. He does have winning records against Davydenko and Robredo, but Robredo beat him quite easily at AO this year. And if he plays like he did against Haas in Paris either one could beat him.

haas was playing good tennis, he dismissed an in-form 3-times winner of bercy safin in bercy!!!

That's right blake didn't play his best though but still I don't see him losing to boredo!

Roger The Great
11-08-2006, 03:28 PM
Wow, I'm so dissapointed with this draw. I really don't think it could be any worse unless there were pull-outs. All the match-ups I wanted to see with Rafa won't happen, except possibly in the semis or final.

stebs
11-08-2006, 03:51 PM
Federer would have wanted: Ljubicic, Robredo, Blake

Nadal would have wanted: Davydenko, Robredo, Nalbandian

Nadal is 2/3 happy. Federer only 1/3.

FSRteam
11-08-2006, 04:03 PM
Federer would have wanted: Ljubicic, Robredo, Blake

Nadal would have wanted: Davydenko, Robredo, Nalbandian

Nadal is 2/3 happy. Federer only 1/3.

Quite correct I guess!

Metis
11-08-2006, 04:25 PM
:haha: Cakedraw for Blake. First he was lucky to qualify (with every other contender getting disqualified one after the other in Paris) and now he's lucky with the draw (9-1 h2h). He's probably smiling right now as he's raising his champagne glass. :p

GlennMirnyi
11-08-2006, 04:29 PM
That's unbelievable, Nadal always get cupcake draws. Of course he will lose to Blake, as its expected, but Davydenko and Robredo??? :lol:

Federer as always got a hard draw. Ljubo, Roddick and Nalbandian. He will win against all of them, that's for sure, but the fight for the second spot in the group will be good to follow.

BlakeJamitis
11-08-2006, 04:30 PM
The operative phrase in all our analysis is "ON PAPER."

Even as a Blake fan, I'm only slightly encouraged, given his downfalls in big tournaments. I hope this is the breakout event for him & he's able to win atleast 2 of his 3 matches & get to the semis.

Unless Federer is off his game, his group is easy too. He OWNS Roddick & has consistently handled Lub & Nalby lately.

The interesting matches will be Nadal/Davydenko - Roddick/Nalby -Roddick/Lub - Nalby/Federer - Nalby/Lub

We will find out whether Davydenko is truly a top tier player or just same o same o - RIGHT NOW, HE'S JUST AS BORING AS ROBREDO IMO

tangerine_dream
11-08-2006, 04:34 PM
What a boring draw. Could it have been any less interesting given the possibilities?
:lol: ITA. Of all the great match possibilities they came up with the worst draw ever. :sobbing:

This TMC is going to be another snoozer :zzz: *goes back to election coverage*

GlennMirnyi
11-08-2006, 04:35 PM
haas was playing good tennis, he dismissed an in-form 3-times winner of bercy safin in bercy!!!

That's right blake didn't play his best though but still I don't see him losing to boredo!

In form Safin? Don't fool yourself. Safin in form defeated Federer, that one playing isn't "in-form Safin".

MarieS
11-08-2006, 04:38 PM
That's unbelievable, Nadal always get cupcake draws. Of course he will lose to Blake, as its expected, but Davydenko and Robredo??? :lol:


<insert an uncle toni joke here>.
given recent forms, i don't think it's an easy draw for him. :shrug: he can quite conceivably lose all three matches.

GlennMirnyi
11-08-2006, 04:39 PM
<insert an uncle toni joke here>.
given recent forms, i don't think it's an easy draw for him. :shrug: he can quite conceivably lose all three matches.

Robredo and Davydenko haven't the kind of game to defeat Nadal. Maybe Davydenko can make something, given his form, but Robredo will be shattered.

radics
11-08-2006, 04:49 PM
<insert an uncle toni joke here>.
given recent forms, i don't think it's an easy draw for him. :shrug: he can quite conceivably lose all three matches.

But it couldn't have been much easier. Maybe if you swap Blake with ??? ... No really, it couldn't have been much easier. And Blake is only "hard" because of the match-up and not because he's in such a great form or is one of the big favourites or something.

rofe
11-08-2006, 04:56 PM
But it couldn't have been much easier. Maybe if you swap Blake with ??? ... No really, it couldn't have been much easier. And Blake is only "hard" because of the match-up and not because he's in such a great form or is one of the big favourites or something.

Exactly, Blake's form has dipped so the only thing going for Blake is the matchup. Davy may pose a few problems but I don't anticipate Robredo hurting Nadal at all.

Jimnik
11-08-2006, 05:12 PM
The court may be more favourable to Federer than Nadal. If this play like most indoor courts then it could favour Federer as much as grass. Certainly it will favour Federer more than a clay court.

I'm still waiting for someone to confirm the surface. Some people claim Rebound Ace and others Carpet.

Pfloyd
11-08-2006, 05:20 PM
Good group for Rafa, but besdides blake, and probably Roddick, I dont see players that have the game to defeat Rafa in shanghai, Berdych isnt there and I really doubt Nalbandian would threaten Rafa, however the surface, if carpet, will matter alot.

rofe
11-08-2006, 05:21 PM
I'm still waiting for someone to confirm the surface. Some people claim Rebound Ace and others Carpet.

Apparently Fed said that the surface is playing like the Bercy surface :shrug:

tennisgal_001
11-08-2006, 05:23 PM
I'm still waiting for someone to confirm the surface. Some people claim Rebound Ace and others Carpet.

Taraflex carpet. Where did the Rebound Ace rumors erupt from?!

Pfloyd
11-08-2006, 05:24 PM
Does anybody know if the US ESPN will be broadcasting Shanghai?

tennisgal_001
11-08-2006, 05:25 PM
Does anybody know if the US ESPN will be broadcasting Shanghai?

ESPN 2

Pfloyd
11-08-2006, 05:27 PM
when does it start?

Jimnik
11-08-2006, 05:27 PM
If it's carpet then Nadal might not even make the semis. I would fancy Kolya's chances.

tennisgal_001
11-08-2006, 05:36 PM
when does it start?

Shanghai?! Next Sunday (Nov 12).

cmurray
11-08-2006, 05:43 PM
In form Safin? Don't fool yourself. Safin in form defeated Federer, that one playing isn't "in-form Safin".

My God. I'm about to agree with Glenn.:eek:

Safin hasn't been "in form" for almost 2 years.

cmurray
11-08-2006, 05:49 PM
I can't believe I have to ask this, but how many matches do they have to play to get to the semis (in RR format)? I've watched this every year for about 6 years running, and I STILL can't remember.

selyoink
11-08-2006, 05:56 PM
I love how so many couple seem to consider Blake a top player but not Davydenko. Considering Davydenko's slam results dominate Blake's, he has a Masters Series Title, and a better career ranking.

selyoink
11-08-2006, 05:58 PM
I can't believe I have to ask this, but how many matches do they have to play to get to the semis (in RR format)? I've watched this every year for about 7 years running, and I STILL can't remember.

Everyone plays 3 matches. 1 win can be enough to advance if one player goes undefeated and the other three split with each other. Conversely a player with 2 wins could fail to advance if one player loses to everyone and then the other three split with eachother.

radics
11-08-2006, 05:59 PM
I can't believe I have to ask this, but how many matches do they have to play to get to the semis (in RR format)? I've watched this every year for about 7 years running, and I STILL can't remember.

4 Players = 3 Matches ;)

cmurray
11-08-2006, 06:06 PM
4 Players = 3 Matches ;)

Thanks. And let's see if I remember this. If more than 1 player ends up at like 2-1 they break the tie by calculating how many games they lost during the three matches. Right?

Monteque
11-08-2006, 06:16 PM
Most of you underestimated the Russian, but you'll see he'll make the way to semi. He'll beat Robredo and either Nadal or Blake, I'm sure. Nadal is the other one.

In Fed's group, I think Ljubo and Roddick have same chance to follow Fed to semi. And sorry, no more spot for the fatty. Everyone in this group will eat him alive...with a bit snow peas:drool:...maybe

Katastrophe
11-08-2006, 06:20 PM
Most of you underestimated the Russian, but you'll see he'll make the way to semi. He'll beat Robredo and either Nadal or Blake, I'm sure. Nadal is the other one.

In Fed's group, I think Ljubo and Roddick have same chance to follow Fed to semi. And sorry, no more spot for the fatty. Everyone in this group will eat him alive...with a bit snow peas:drool:...maybe

LOL, that's great. :lol:

stebs
11-08-2006, 06:22 PM
My predictions (Get ready to see the opposite take place)

Federer def. Nalbandian
Roddick def. Ljubicic
Federer def. Ljubicic
Nalbandian def. Roddick
Federer def. Roddick
Ljubicic def. Nalbandian

(Group decided on games won/lost)

Nadal def. Blake
Davydenko def. Robredo
Nadal def. Robredo
Davydenko def. Blake
Nadal def. Davydenko
Blake def. Robredo

Semi's

Federer def. Davydenko
Roddick def. Nadal

Final

Federer def. Roddick

GlennMirnyi
11-08-2006, 06:25 PM
:haha:

cmurray
11-08-2006, 06:26 PM
My predictions (Get ready to see the opposite take place)

Federer def. Nalbandian
Roddick def. Ljubicic
Federer def. Ljubicic
Nalbandian def. Roddick
Federer def. Roddick
Ljubicic def. Nalbandian

(Group decided on games won/lost)

Nadal def. Blake
Davydenko def. Robredo
Nadal def. Robredo
Davydenko def. Blake
Nadal def. Davydenko
Blake def. Robredo

Semi's

Federer def. Davydenko
Roddick def. Nadal

Final

Federer def. Roddick



You think Roddick is going to beat Rafa? It will be VEEEEEERRRRRYYY interesting, I think.

Voo de Mar
11-08-2006, 06:29 PM
My predictions (Get ready to see the opposite take place)

Federer def. Nalbandian
Roddick def. Ljubicic
Federer def. Ljubicic
Nalbandian def. Roddick
Federer def. Roddick
Ljubicic def. Nalbandian


:aplot: If Federer and Roddick will win their first matches they meet each other in the second turn of Round Robin stage.

Pfloyd
11-08-2006, 06:35 PM
Hopefuly Rafa will beat Blake this time...

Voo de Mar
11-08-2006, 06:41 PM
My predictions ;)

Federer def. Nalbandian 2-0
Roddick def. Ljubicic 2-0
Federer def. Roddick 2-1
Nalbandian def. Ljubicic 2-1
Federer def. Ljubicic 2-0
Roddick def. Nalbandian 2-1


Blake def. Nadal 2-1
Robredo def. Davydenko 2-1
Blake def. Robredo 2-0
Nadal def. Davydenko 2-1
Davydenko def. Blake 2-0
Robredo def. Nadal 2-1

Semi's

Federer def. Robredo 2-0
Blake def. Roddick 2-1

Final

Federer def. Blake 3-0

nobama
11-08-2006, 08:08 PM
Taraflex carpet. Where did the Rebound Ace rumors erupt from?!Spanish media.

Castafiore
11-08-2006, 08:12 PM
Spanish media.
Do you have a source or is it a matter of "when in doubt, blame the Spanish media"?

I read somewhere that according to the Chinese media, it's a surface close to the Madrid surface. No idea how reliable that is, of course.

DrJules
11-08-2006, 08:32 PM
Do you have a source or is it a matter of "when in doubt, blame the Spanish media"?

I read somewhere that according to the Chinese media, it's a surface close to the Madrid surface. No idea how reliable that is, of course.

It must be a Geflor Taraflex carpet on a hard court.

Dupuis2006
11-08-2006, 08:34 PM
Brutal grouping for Federer:shout:

shruti
11-08-2006, 08:46 PM
Semis
Federer def. Robredo 2-0

Ok :rolleyes:

enzogiovanni
11-08-2006, 09:03 PM
And let the bitching begin. ;)

I will add my 2 cents- would have loved to have seen Nalby and Nadal.

I know some folks will say Nadal an easy group, but I have to say, outside of Tommy- I don't really think so. (No offense to Tommy- just that Nadal matches up well against him.) Blake has beaten him every time and Davy is on a tear. Could be very intersting in the gold group.

You are joking right? I really hope you are...

Would you prefer Nadal swiches places with Federer so, it would probably be easier to playe with Ljubicic, Nalbandian and Roddick?

Come on: out of the 5 best players (and they make a league of their own) 4 are in the red group and the oher (Nadal) is in the other group...
If Nadal HIMSELF wanted to choose opponents he would choose the guys that he actually WILL be playing...
Don't mae excuses even before the matches started, please...

RickDaStick
11-08-2006, 09:06 PM
And let the bitching begin. ;)

I will add my 2 cents- would have loved to have seen Nalby and Nadal.

I know some folks will say Nadal an easy group, but I have to say, outside of Tommy- I don't really think so. (No offense to Tommy- just that Nadal matches up well against him.) Blake has beaten him every time and Davy is on a tear. Could be very intersting in the gold group.

That just might be the funniest thing ive ever read.

Johnny Groove
11-08-2006, 09:07 PM
My predictions ;)

Federer def. Nalbandian 2-0
Roddick def. Ljubicic 2-0
Federer def. Roddick 2-1
Nalbandian def. Ljubicic 2-1
Federer def. Ljubicic 2-0
Roddick def. Nalbandian 2-1


Blake def. Nadal 2-1
Robredo def. Davydenko 2-1
Blake def. Robredo 2-0
Nadal def. Davydenko 2-1
Davydenko def. Blake 2-0
Robredo def. Nadal 2-1

Semi's

Federer def. Robredo 2-0
Blake def. Roddick 2-1

Final

Federer def. Blake 3-0

What are you smoking? :haha:

REAL Predictions:

Federer def. Nalbandian 2-0
Roddick def. Ljubicic 2-1
Roddick def. Nalbandian 2-1
Federer def. Ljubicic 2-0
Federer def. Roddick 2-1
Nalbandian def. Ljubicic 2-1

Nadal def. Blake 2-1
Davydenko def. Robredo 2-0
Nadal def. Robredo 2-0
Blake def. Davydenko 2-1
Nadal def. Davydenko 2-1
Blake def. Robredo 2-0

Semis:

Federer def. Blake 2-1
Nadal def. Roddick 2-1

Final: (Of course ;) )

Nadal def. Federer 3-2

:)

RickDaStick
11-08-2006, 09:10 PM
What are you smoking? :haha:

REAL Predictions:

Federer def. Nalbandian 2-0
Roddick def. Ljubicic 2-1
Roddick def. Nalbandian 2-1
Federer def. Ljubicic 2-0
Federer def. Roddick 2-1
Nalbandian def. Ljubicic 2-1

Nadal def. Blake 2-1
Davydenko def. Robredo 2-0
Nadal def. Robredo 2-0
Blake def. Davydenko 2-1
Nadal def. Davydenko 2-1
Blake def. Robredo 2-0

Semis:

Federer def. Blake 2-1
Nadal def. Roddick 2-1

Final: (Of course ;) )

Nadal def. Federer 3-2

:)

After seeing your predictions, I think the real question is what are YOU smoking?

enzogiovanni
11-08-2006, 09:12 PM
Seriously, anyone who says Nadal's draw isn't a gift from God is out of his or her mind. If you had to name the four semifinalists before the draw you probably would have named Fed's entire group.

http://img84.echo.cx/img84/4866/agreed8mv.gif 100%

Johnny Groove
11-08-2006, 09:13 PM
After seeing your predictions, I think the real question is what are YOU smoking?

I think mine are reasonable. Maybe Blake can beat Nadal, but other than that, I think my predictions will be mostly accurate ;)

And what are yours? Ljubishit wining every match in straights?

Voo de Mar
11-08-2006, 09:14 PM
What are you smoking? :haha:

:)

Good cannabis :yeah:
I know that Robredo has a teoretical chance to play in the semi-final but tennis' history is full of surprises... I think that Tommy will play matches of his life against Davydenko and Nadal. Anyway predictions are only good fun ;)

Voo de Mar
11-08-2006, 09:16 PM
After seeing your predictions, I think the real question is what are YOU smoking?

:haha:

Viken01
11-08-2006, 09:16 PM
I think mine are reasonable. Maybe Blake can beat Nadal, but other than that, I think my predictions will be mostly accurate ;)

And what are yours? Ljubishit wining every match in straights?

rodduck in SF ? NO WAY
it will be nalby or ljubo :cool:

Trivial
11-08-2006, 09:16 PM
I think mine are reasonable. Maybe Blake can beat Nadal, but other than that, I think my predictions will be mostly accurate ;)

And what are yours? Ljubishit wining every match in straights?

As opposed to your totally unbiased prediction of Nadal's results? ;)

Nadal defeating Federer on carpet? :rolleyes: :p

RickDaStick
11-08-2006, 09:17 PM
I think mine are reasonable. Maybe Blake can beat Nadal, but other than that, I think my predictions will be mostly accurate ;)

And what are yours? Ljubishit wining every match in straights?

Nadal beating Fed in the finals is not a reasonable prediction.

Johnny Groove
11-08-2006, 09:19 PM
Nadal beating Fed in the finals is not a reasonable prediction.

because Nadal has never beaten Fed in a final :rolleyes:

RickDaStick
11-08-2006, 09:20 PM
Come on Blaze, get your head out of Nadals ass and make some realistic predictions.

Trivial
11-08-2006, 09:20 PM
because Nadal has never beaten Fed in a final :rolleyes:

Not on carpet..

Johnny Groove
11-08-2006, 09:21 PM
As opposed to your totally unbiased prediction of Nadal's results? ;)

Nadal defeating Federer on carpet? :rolleyes: :p

Hell yeah he'll beat Fed on carpet :yeah:

rodduck in SF ? NO WAY
it will be nalby or ljubo :cool:

If Nalby got to the semis, i wouldnt mind, I actually think the Nalby-Roddick match will be the decider of who gets in the semis. Ljubo, however, isnt going anywhere. And of course, the ljubotards are gonna complain that he was sick or something :rolleyes:

Johnny Groove
11-08-2006, 09:23 PM
Come on Blaze, get your head out of Nadals ass and make some realistic predictions.

what are YOUR predictions? :p

Not on carpet..

Ahh, but that wasnt introduced in the original argument, was it. The original argument was that Nadal wont beat Fed in a final. The surface was left conspiciously absent :p

But regardless, Nadal will beat Federer :p

enzogiovanni
11-08-2006, 09:24 PM
because Nadal has never beaten Fed in a final :rolleyes:

please: just stop posting...

Johnny Groove
11-08-2006, 09:25 PM
please: just stop posting...

:yeah:

Voo de Mar
11-08-2006, 09:26 PM
Come on Blaze, get your head out of Nadals ass and make some realistic predictions.

:haha: What a funny thread :D

Jlee
11-08-2006, 09:27 PM
I think if Nadal is playing 100% healthy and similarly to the way he was at Wimbledon and before he has a shot at Federer. The match could go either way. He'll struggle if he continues to play like he has lately or isn't healthy...

Trivial
11-08-2006, 09:31 PM
I think if Nadal is playing 100% healthy and similarly to the way he was at Wimbledon and before he has a shot at Federer. The match could go either way. He'll struggle if he continues to play like he has lately or isn't healthy...

Yes I agree that he could challenge Roger and put up a decent fight, but like Wimbledon he will come nowhere close to beating him if they play in the Final.

RickDaStick
11-08-2006, 09:33 PM
what are YOUR predictions? :p




:p

Ask and you shall recieve

Federer-Fat Dave 2-0
Ivan-Roddick 2-1
Fed-Ivan 2-0
Fat Dave-Roddick 2-1
Ivan-Fat Dave 2-1
Fed-Roddick 2-0

Nadal-Blake 2-1
Davydenko-Robredo 2-1
Nadal-Davydenko 2-0
Blake-Robredo 2-0
Davydenko-Blake 2-1
Nadal-Robredo 2-0

Ivan-Nadal 2-1
Federer-Davydenko 2-1

Federer-Ivan 3-1

Johnny Groove
11-08-2006, 09:37 PM
Ask and you shall recieve

Federer-Fat Dave 2-0
Ivan-Roddick 2-1
Fed-Ivan 2-0
Fat Dave-Roddick 2-1
Ivan-Fat Dave 2-1
Fed-Roddick 2-0

Nadal-Blake 2-1
Davydenko-Robredo 2-1
Nadal-Davydenko 2-0
Blake-Robredo 2-0
Davydenko-Blake 2-1
Nadal-Robredo 2-0

Ivan-Nadal 2-1
Federer-Davydenko 2-1

Federer-Ivan 3-1

I actually agree pretty much with what you say, except that u think the Americans will suck and that Ljubo will make the semis. Not surprising from you.

However, I dont know where you base your prediction of Ljubo beating Nadal. This isnt Vienna, you know, and Nadal has won their last 3 meetings :)

enzogiovanni
11-08-2006, 09:38 PM
what are YOUR predictions? :p
This Masters is probably the easiest to predict in the history of tennis:

2 guys from the RED Group will play the final :secret:

Johnny Groove
11-08-2006, 09:40 PM
This Masters is probably the easiest to predict in the history of tennis:

2 guys from the RED Group will play the final :secret:

...and you're wrong :wavey:

enzogiovanni
11-08-2006, 09:42 PM
However, I dont know where you base your prediction of Ljubo beating Nadal. This isnt Vienna, you know, and Nadal has won their last 3 meetings :)

You should have been intelectually honest and said: "This isn't MADRID which is probably the slowest indoor tournament in the world, and my boyfriend got immensly lucky in the final"...

If ypu really think that in a match on carpet against Ljubicic Nadal starts as a heavy favorite you probably never had a racquet in your hand...

Clara Bow
11-08-2006, 09:42 PM
You are joking right? I really hope you are...

Would you prefer Nadal swiches places with Federer so, it would probably be easier to playe with Ljubicic, Nalbandian and Roddick?

Come on: out of the 5 best players (and they make a league of their own) 4 are in the red group and the oher (Nadal) is in the other group...
If Nadal HIMSELF wanted to choose opponents he would choose the guys that he actually WILL be playing...
Don't mae excuses even before the matches started, please...

I never said that Nadal was in the hardest group. I just don't think that Blake and Davy should be dismissed as "easy." There is a difference. I think that Blake could repeat history and give Nadal a lot of trouble. (And I don't think Nadal would chose to have Blake in his group himself.) I think that Davy could be a surprise, even though on paper it looks like his game may suit Nadal. I don't think those two guys are chumps- that was my point.

I wasn't making excuses. I was just stating that I don't think the group will be a stroll in the park for Nadal. Frankly- I don't think Nadal is a given to reach the semis in this group. And from the looks of some folks' predictions, others don't see him as reaching the semis. And if you switched him with Federer's group- I would say he had an even smaller chance.

This was not the group I wanted. I wanted it to be Nadal, Roddick, Nalbandian and Blake. But- I am looking forward to seeing Nadal and Davy play and do think the gold group could be interesting. That is just my opinion, I don't expect for everyone to agree. And obviously by the folks who have used the :retard: or laughed at my posts- a number aren't. ;)

enzogiovanni
11-08-2006, 09:44 PM
...and you're wrong :wavey:

but, by daddy is stronger than yours. Does this count as an argument?

RickDaStick
11-08-2006, 09:46 PM
I actually agree pretty much with what you say, except that u think the Americans will suck and that Ljubo will make the semis. Not surprising from you.

However, I dont know where you base your prediction of Ljubo beating Nadal. This isnt Vienna, you know, and Nadal has won their last 3 meetings :)


Its not really an anti American thing. It just that roddick is the weakest link in his group and Blake will choke as usual when he plays Davydenko for the semis.

Rafa = Fed Killa
11-08-2006, 09:46 PM
All the challeged Fedtards have started crying again. For god sakes you little girls have to learn how to man up. Stop being like your hero and grow some balls.

Johnny Groove
11-08-2006, 09:48 PM
You should have been intelectually honest and said: "This isn't MADRID which is probably the slowest indoor tournament in the world, and my boyfriend got immensly lucky in the final"...

If ypu really think that in a match on carpet against Ljubicic Nadal starts as a heavy favorite you probably never had a racquet in your hand...

I never said that Nadal would be a heavy favorite against Ljubicic on a carpet court, and if I did, what would have playing tennis have anything to do with my ability to predict tennis matches? :retard: There are plenty of people who play the game and cant predict shit. Bud Collins and Jon Wertheim for example :retard:

And of course, the BS that Madrid is the slowest indoor tourney in the world continues to be used, and that Nadal got "lucky". Where is your evidence that Madrid is the slowest court? Because Nadal made the final? And coming from 2-0 sets down doesnt= lucky, it= fighter, and miraculous comeback

RickDaStick
11-08-2006, 09:49 PM
I never said that Nadal would be a heavy favorite against Nadal on a carpet court, and if I did, what would have playing tennis have anything to do with my ability to predict tennis matches? :retard: There are plenty of people who play the game and cant predict shit. Bud Collins and Jon Wertheim for example :retard:

And of course, the BS that Madrid is the slowest indoor tourney in the world continues to be used, and that Nadal got "lucky". Where is your evidence that Madrid is the slowest court? Because Nadal made the final? And coming from 2-0 sets down doesnt= lucky, it= fighter, and miraculous comeback

Wow. Get him out of your mind. OBSESSED

Johnny Groove
11-08-2006, 09:51 PM
Wow. Get him out of your mind. OBSESSED

wow, i make a typo and you jump on me. get a fucking life. :retard:

Rafa = Fed Killa
11-08-2006, 09:51 PM
Wow. Get him out of your mind. OBSESSED

I think its called a typo. Wow u croatards are almost as slow as the Fedtards.

enzogiovanni
11-08-2006, 09:59 PM
I never said that Nadal was in the hardest group. I just don't think that Blake and Davy should be dismissed as "easy." There is a difference. I think that Blake could repeat history and give Nadal a lot of trouble. (And I don't think Nadal would chose to have Blake in his group himself.) I think that Davy could be a surprise, even though on paper it looks like his game may suit Nadal. I don't think those two guys are chumps- that was my point.
Man, this is the Masters Championship, not a B league tournament. Whomever you have in your draw it is going to be a TOP player!..You can not have a Wayne Arthurs in your draw (with all sue respect to Arthurs)...

The TOP 5 players (Davidenko is NOT in this list) make a league of their own. NONE is in the Nadal's draw..

We all know who are the guys that because of their style of play give Nadal IMMENSE trouble: big servers (se the matches with Berdych and J.Johansson and see what I am talking about)... How many has he got in his group? 0 (because the other monster-servers are Ljubo and Roddick).
This draw is the easiest Nadal coud have ever dreamt of!

I wasn't making excuses. I was just stating that I don't think the group will be a stroll in the park for Nadal. Frankly- I don't think Nadal is a given to reach the semis in this group. And from the looks of some folks' predictions, others don't see him as reaching the semis. And if you switched him with Federer's group- I would say he had an even smaller chance.
put him in the other group instead of Roger and I honestly don NOT believe we could see Nadal in the semis (the only chance to see Nadal reach the semis from this group is to switch the Shangai surface with clay :p )

That is just my opinion, I don't expect for everyone to agree. And obviously by the folks who have used the :retard: or laughed at my posts- a number aren't.

Everybody is entitled to an opinion. I must say I completely disagree with yours. If I could compare your statement I would use just a football reference:

Red Group:
Barcelona, Chelsea, Juventus, Real Madrid

Blue Group:
Manchester United, Spartak Moscow, Levski Sofia and Middsleborough

And then you saying: "Hold on people, Manchester doesn't have an easy group!"

get the point?

DrJules
11-08-2006, 10:00 PM
I think its called a typo. Wow u croatards are almost as slow as the Fedtards.

The AO cannot come too soon.

enzogiovanni
11-08-2006, 10:03 PM
I never said that Nadal would be a heavy favorite against Ljubicic on a carpet court, and if I did, what would have playing tennis have anything to do with my ability to predict tennis matches? :retard: There are plenty of people who play the game and cant predict shit. Bud Collins and Jon Wertheim for example :retard:
it was a polite way to say that someone who states such thing doesn't KNOW sh.it about tennis.
OK?
And of course, the BS that Madrid is the slowest indoor tourney in the world continues to be used, and that Nadal got "lucky". Where is your evidence that Madrid is the slowest court? Because Nadal made the final? And coming from 2-0 sets down doesnt= lucky, it= fighter, and miraculous comeback

Madrid IS the slowest indoor tournament in the world, and I really doubt you even watched that match...

Castafiore
11-08-2006, 10:06 PM
If I could compare your statement I would use just a football reference:

Red Group:
Barcelona, Chelsea, Juventus, Real Madrid

Blue Group:
Manchester United, Spartak Moscow, Levski Sofia and Middsleborough

And then you saying: "Hold on people, Manchester doesn't have an easy group!"

get the point?
Does Man U have matchup issues with Middlesborough? Did Spartak Moscow just win a major tournament?;)