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NATAS81
11-08-2006, 05:19 AM
if the past election holds any water..yes :)

The RED in Mizzouri had their fun (Cards)

Now time for the BLUEBALLERS to take over! :rocker2:

savesthedizzle
11-08-2006, 05:21 AM
The chatter about Ford all along has been not to trust the pre election polls because of people not wanting to seem racist so they say they'll vote for a black candidate.. then when it comes down to it, when they're alone in a voting booth they don't. :shrug: I'm not saying that's why he's losing, but people have been discussing that as a possibility for weeks.

NATAS81
11-08-2006, 05:21 AM
Wow, there might be recounts in Missouri AND VA if these races hold on pace.

ufokart
11-08-2006, 05:21 AM
I'm confident now, go democrats :woohoo: :lol:

El Legenda
11-08-2006, 05:22 AM
The RED in Mizzouri had their fun (Cards)

Now time for the BLUEBALLERS to take over! :rocker2:

the water in St.Louis is red...but they're voting blue tonight ;)

alelysafina
11-08-2006, 05:22 AM
They're still waiting on Charlottesville and Arlington counties in Virgina. Both have not updated in awhile.

Pfloyd
11-08-2006, 05:22 AM
Alright, I'm gonna leave, tommorow we'll talk more about the results and all.

Virginia might take a few days, I realy feel sorry for ford.

Bye!

NATAS81
11-08-2006, 05:23 AM
I heard there was a racist commerical in the Tennessee race. :lol:

But of course the spokesman for the candidate denied any allegations. :lol:

I have been following this thing on MSNBC. It rocks and I love the graphX. Haha.

alelysafina
11-08-2006, 05:23 AM
Update:

House:
Dem: 196
Rep:158

savesthedizzle
11-08-2006, 05:24 AM
I heard there was a racist commerical in the Tennessee race. :lol:

But of course the spokesman for the candidate denied any allegations. :lol:

I have been following this thing on MSNBC. It rocks and I love the graphX. Haha.

Yeah, I haven't seen it, but I heard that as well.

NATAS81
11-08-2006, 05:25 AM
MISSOURI UPDATE:

Jim Talent (REP)* 697,573 50%
Claire McCaskill (DEM) 645,040 46%
65% of precincts reporting

*** OK, I'll be back soon. This race will probably go on all night and possibly the next few days like it's been said. NJ got the job done unlike Florida :rolleyes: , saves. :wavey:

mangoes
11-08-2006, 05:25 AM
I heard there was a racist commerical in the Tennessee race. :lol:

But of course the spokesman for the candidate denied any allegations. :lol:

I have been following this thing on MSNBC. It rocks and I love the graphX. Haha.

There were racist commercials in the TN race........they showed two of them on ABC news. Disgusting. One of the commercials hinted on interracial relationships.

why would you assume he didnt get picked because of race :rolleyes:

:scratch: :scratch: Yea, my comment is very farfetched:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Scotso
11-08-2006, 05:28 AM
C'mon Claire :rocker2:

RickDaStick
11-08-2006, 05:29 AM
90 % chance Talent wins MO

nkhera1
11-08-2006, 05:30 AM
Most of the counties left in VA are heavily Webb except for 1 or 2.

savesthedizzle
11-08-2006, 05:31 AM
:sad:

zicofirol
11-08-2006, 05:31 AM
Rep retain Tenesse (sp i know) 50,000 vot elead with 96% reported.

El Legenda
11-08-2006, 05:32 AM
McCaskill closed in by another %

savesthedizzle
11-08-2006, 05:34 AM
Tennessee is official :(

mangoes
11-08-2006, 05:34 AM
McCaskill closed in by another %

Do you know if the cities have been counted yet??

Scotso
11-08-2006, 05:34 AM
Ford lost :(

El Legenda
11-08-2006, 05:35 AM
St.Louis County 31% reporting..McCaskill leads 52% to 46%
thats real good news for her

mangoes
11-08-2006, 05:35 AM
Ford is the :sad: :sad: loss of the evening......

Scotso
11-08-2006, 05:35 AM
Allen :rolleyes:

Let's see what the arrogant putz has to say....

RickDaStick
11-08-2006, 05:36 AM
Kansas city has not been counted it neither has stl county but stl city has

mangoes
11-08-2006, 05:38 AM
Allen :rolleyes:

Let's see what the arrogant putz has to say....

Yea, I'm listening to him too.........he won't say that he'll concede:rolleyes:

savesthedizzle
11-08-2006, 05:38 AM
Allen :rolleyes:

Let's see what the arrogant putz has to say....

Meh :armed:

El Legenda
11-08-2006, 05:38 AM
:lol: he almost said he lost

ufokart
11-08-2006, 05:39 AM
Allen :rolleyes:

Let's see what the arrogant putz has to say....

Nothing worth hearing, that's for sure :p :lol:

Scotso
11-08-2006, 05:39 AM
I think I will bed soon... this probably isn't going to be over tonight.

savesthedizzle
11-08-2006, 05:40 AM
I think I will bed soon... this probably isn't going to be over tonight.

I probably too but I wanna wait for Missouri. *sigh*

El Legenda
11-08-2006, 05:41 AM
MO Tied WOW

mangoes
11-08-2006, 05:41 AM
I want to wait to see Missouri too............anyway, Fairfax hasn't been counted for VA and that should send Webb clearly to the win.

nkhera1
11-08-2006, 05:42 AM
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006/pages/results/states/MO/S/01/index.html

CNN has McCaskill leading.

Scotso
11-08-2006, 05:42 AM
Red VA and Blue VA... unfortunately I live in the former :(

alelysafina
11-08-2006, 05:42 AM
One of the Ford commercials:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkiz1_d1GsA

ufokart
11-08-2006, 05:43 AM
McCaskill is winning in Missouri by 1000 votes :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

ufokart
11-08-2006, 05:44 AM
bah, she's losing again
:lol:

El Legenda
11-08-2006, 05:46 AM
:lol: something is wrong with cnn.com they had MO at 74% reporting and now is at 69%

ufokart
11-08-2006, 05:46 AM
:lol: something is wrong with cnn.com they had MO at 74% reporting and now is at 69%

They are very inept :rolls:

mangoes
11-08-2006, 05:47 AM
McCaskill is winning in Missouri by 1000 votes :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

bah, she's losing again
:lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol: I got excited then read your next post :lol:

alelysafina
11-08-2006, 05:47 AM
bah, she's losing again
:lol:

:lol: I was just going to say that, I got all exceited and then saw the results :(

ufokart
11-08-2006, 05:49 AM
It happened all of a sudden. in TV cnn announced a 48-48 tie and it also appeared on the website.
Then all of a sudden Talent was winning 50-47 :rolls:

savesthedizzle
11-08-2006, 05:50 AM
Alright fellow political junkies... I need to go to bed, I'm falling asleep :p :lol:

ufokart
11-08-2006, 05:52 AM
:lol: Bye Jess :wavey:

Clara Bow
11-08-2006, 05:53 AM
I am sad about the Ford loss as well. I was visiting one of my college friends in Nashville last week and she is a big Ford supporter. It was nice to see all of the Ford signs. But early today she was saying that she knew he would not win...(she says that TN is now really a red state- and the fact that some people say they will vote for a black candidate but do not when they are in the booth) but hoped it would be a good contest- and it was.

Yeah, but the good news is that he is quite young, I am quite certain that sometime in the future, he will become a senator...

I think he could. He ran a good race in what is now- really a red state. And as for the racial factor- I don't think it was the factor, but I do believe it was a factor for some voters. There are still racial hang ups in the US, and, still in the South. But I was reading that if Ford was within 5%- that could bode well for black candidates in the future in the Southern States. For example, in previous Senate races- Cornyn vs. Kirk in the 2002 Texas Senate race the margin was much larger, even though the pre-election polls did made it seem like it would be a tight race. This was a tight race. I wish him success in the future.

alelysafina
11-08-2006, 05:54 AM
Good night Jess :wavey:

Scotso
11-08-2006, 05:58 AM
I'm off. Goodnight all. :wavey:

mangoes
11-08-2006, 05:58 AM
Nighty night everyone. It's 1 am by me.......time to go to bed.

RickDaStick
11-08-2006, 06:01 AM
Mccaskill in the lead in Mo with 70percent in

alelysafina
11-08-2006, 06:01 AM
Good night mangoes :wavey:

ufokart
11-08-2006, 06:01 AM
I'm off. Goodnight all. :wavey:

Good night :wavey:

Nighty night everyone. It's 1 am by me.......time to go to bed.

Bye :wavey:

nkhera1
11-08-2006, 06:02 AM
McCaskill has the lead with 80% in.

El Legenda
11-08-2006, 06:03 AM
Dems will take Montana and MO...Virginia will be known in a month...thats my projection

aussie_fan
11-08-2006, 06:05 AM
heard about the republicians losing the house of reps. Good to hear, i think a change is needed.

alelysafina
11-08-2006, 06:07 AM
McCaskill has the lead with 80% in.

YAY! :bounce: :bounce:

El Legenda
11-08-2006, 06:08 AM
Webb said he won Virginia :speakles:

alelysafina
11-08-2006, 06:09 AM
Webb said he won Virginia :speakles:

The thing hasn't been update on cnn in 20 mins... Are you sure?!?

El Legenda
11-08-2006, 06:10 AM
The thing hasn't been update on cnn in 20 mins... Are you sure?!?

yeah he came on and said the votes are in and we won

Nitefaery
11-08-2006, 06:11 AM
Interesting night

El Legenda
11-08-2006, 06:12 AM
things looking good for the Dems right now for the Senate..which i thought about an hour ago they had no chance

Clara Bow
11-08-2006, 06:13 AM
yeah he came on and said the votes are in and we won

I was a little bit surprised by that- since it is by less than 1% and there will have to be a recount. But- he seems very confident.

It will kill me if the Green Party candidate has the Nader effect in the recount. Much earlier tonight- the GP candiate had 23,000 votes. By this point- that could be around 40- 50K.

ufokart
11-08-2006, 06:13 AM
Dems will take Montana and MO...Virginia will be known in a month...thats my projection

Yeah, it will probably be like that :o

But i'm happy anyway :) :lol:

El Legenda
11-08-2006, 06:14 AM
McCaskill's lead will only get stronger with more the 50% of St.Louis Country yet to come in.

MisterQ
11-08-2006, 06:15 AM
things looking good for the Dems right now for the Senate..which i thought about an hour ago they had no chance

I thought so too... this is nerveracking. :lol:

El Legenda
11-08-2006, 06:15 AM
Dems have offically taken the House

alelysafina
11-08-2006, 06:16 AM
I was a little bit surprised by that- since it is by less than 1% and there will have to be a recount. But- he seems very confident.

It will kill me if the Green Party candidate has the Nader effect in the recount. Much earlier tonight- the GP candiate had 23,000 votes. By this point- that could be around 40- 50K.

Me too! I saw how much the GP candidate had and I thought "It's the 2000 elections all over again".

alelysafina
11-08-2006, 06:18 AM
Dems have offically taken the House

:dance: :dance: :dance:

Lee
11-08-2006, 06:19 AM
:lol: Arizona is officially a purple state.

knight_ley
11-08-2006, 06:20 AM
I had to turn off CNN cuz my heart cannot take this anymore. If they announce that McCaskill won Missouri I think I'd have heart failure cuz going in to tonight I was just hoping Casey would take out Santorum... and all this had happened on top of that. I'm a happy happy girl tonight and anything else that goes on is just extra.

Nitefaery
11-08-2006, 06:21 AM
So Democrats have a chance at taking the Senate? I thought republicans were declaring they will have control

MisterQ
11-08-2006, 06:21 AM
What's with all these nailbiter elections lately? :lol: :scared:

El Legenda
11-08-2006, 06:22 AM
So Democrats have a chance at taking the Senate? I thought republicans were declaring they will have control

Dems are leading in the last 3 seats for Senate...they need to win all 3 to get it..and it looks good for the right now.

alelysafina
11-08-2006, 06:23 AM
:lol: Arizona is officially a purple state.

:lol:

Lee
11-08-2006, 06:23 AM
So Democrats have a chance at taking the Senate? I thought republicans were declaring they will have control

I'm not so sure. I think Republican will still control Senate.

Nitefaery
11-08-2006, 06:24 AM
Dems are leading in the last 3 seats for Senate...they need to win all 3 to get it..and it looks good for the right now.

Wow.. time to get back to cnn

El Legenda
11-08-2006, 06:24 AM
I'm not so sure. I think Republican will still control Senate.

you're canadian, what do you know ;) :hug:

Clara Bow
11-08-2006, 06:25 AM
I'm not so sure. I think Republican will still control Senate.

If it is 50-50 then the Reps will still have contol of the Senate because the Wizard of Oz....excuse me- I mean Dick Cheney will have the deciding vote. But there are 3 remaining seats to be decided and if the Dems get all 3 then they will have a 51-49 majority and therefore control of the Senate (although remember that you need to get 60 senatorial votes to get something passed.). And the Dems are leading in those races at this juncture.

ufokart
11-08-2006, 06:25 AM
Ok, i think that Missouri and Montana are going to be democratic and Virginia may take a long time, so i'm off to bed :lol:

Bye everyone :wavey:

alelysafina
11-08-2006, 06:27 AM
Good night ufokart :wavey:

alelysafina
11-08-2006, 06:28 AM
If it is 50-50 then the Reps will still have contol of the Senate because the Wizard of Oz....excuse me- I mean Dick Cheney will have the deciding vote.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Clara Bow
11-08-2006, 06:28 AM
Ok, i think that Missouri and Montana are going to be democratic and Virginia may take a long time, so i'm off to bed :lol:

Bye everyone :wavey:

Good night!

I am still pretty wired because I was out until about an hour ago and it has been election talk all night.

El Legenda
11-08-2006, 06:28 AM
Im going to bed after the TMC is out..which is real reason im still up :lol:

Lee
11-08-2006, 06:29 AM
you're canadian, what do you know ;) :hug:

And you're not yet US American :p

El Legenda
11-08-2006, 06:29 AM
If Bush and Dick died...and women would be President of USA :speakles: :lol:

El Legenda
11-08-2006, 06:30 AM
And you're not yet US American :p

:lol:

Lee
11-08-2006, 06:31 AM
If Bush and Dick died...and women would be President of USA :speakles: :lol:

I would like US has an woman President but no, even I don't like Bush and Cheney, I won't wish for that :p

alelysafina
11-08-2006, 06:31 AM
Im going to bed after the TMC is out..which is real reason im still up :lol:

:lol:

I'll stay up until Virginia is done or 11pm, which ever comes first :lol: and then I'll go to sleep :)

El Legenda
11-08-2006, 06:35 AM
Burns gaining on Tester
and McCaskill is pulling away in MO

flmmkrz
11-08-2006, 06:36 AM
MO finally doing something right, McCaskill should pull it out

El Legenda
11-08-2006, 06:39 AM
EXIT POLL show that Tester should take Montana..but its close now.

Clara Bow
11-08-2006, 06:40 AM
Interesting-

http://www.gallatinnewsexaminer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061107/NEWS0206/61107113

Tennessee called- even while folks were still waiting in line to vote.

El Legenda
11-08-2006, 06:43 AM
Interesting-

http://www.gallatinnewsexaminer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061107/NEWS0206/61107113

Tennessee called- even while folks were still waiting in line to vote.

call the lawyers :lol:

alelysafina
11-08-2006, 06:43 AM
These races should have ATP-style live scoreboards. :devil:

:lol: they do-ish

MisterQ
11-08-2006, 06:46 AM
These races should have ATP-style live scoreboards. :devil:

But then they would freeze during the tiebreak! :smash:

Lee
11-08-2006, 06:48 AM
:haha:

alelysafina
11-08-2006, 06:49 AM
But then they would freeze during the tiebreak! :smash:

:haha:

Deboogle!.
11-08-2006, 06:52 AM
:haha:

It's interesting to see these races being played out 'cause here in California, especially where I am (the Bay Area), the Democrats could run through the streets nude and eat babies and still win their races by 20% margins. :tape:

(Which is why it makes no sense to me that Arnold is still our governor. :o)Because he's Arnold and everyone knows him :mad: and Angelides is pretty much a no-personality boring politician, he had nothing special to get people to vote for him, unfortunately. :(

Interestingly, another state similar to the situation you've described, Massachusetts, elected its first Dem governor in 16 years.

alelysafina
11-08-2006, 06:53 AM
:haha:

It's interesting to see these races being played out 'cause here in California, especially where I am (the Bay Area), the Democrats could run through the streets nude and eat babies and still win their races by 20% margins. :tape:

(Which is why it makes no sense to me that Arnold is still our governor. :o)

I know! The exit polls have been showing he's ahead by a big margin :(

Btw, what did you vote for prop 85?

Deboogle!.
11-08-2006, 06:54 AM
Btw, what did you vote for prop 85?I voted no and thankfully it looks like it's going to fail. I'm disappointed the cigarette tax also look like it's going to fail.

El Legenda
11-08-2006, 06:55 AM
McCaskill speaking...pretty much saying she won.
Webb said he already one

montana will decide the Senate :scared:

MisterQ
11-08-2006, 06:55 AM
:haha:
the Democrats could run through the streets nude and eat babies and still win their races by 20% margins. :tape:


In New York, we already do this.

http://www.dianesabba.com/Photography/0%20Pacific%20Shoreline%20Marathon%202006/11%20Dad%20with%20Stroller%203%20Kids.jpg

alelysafina
11-08-2006, 06:57 AM
I voted no and thankfully it looks like it's going to fail. I'm disappointed the cigarette tax also look like it's going to fail.

Thank god! Prop 85 is just a horrible piece of legislation.
I voted no on the cigarette tax...

Clara Bow
11-08-2006, 06:57 AM
So Arizona is making English the official state language. Sigh....Now that means that official documents will not be available in other languages. I don't agree with that. In particular when you consider that before Arizona became a state- a lot of folks spoke American Indian languages and Spanish.

alelysafina
11-08-2006, 06:59 AM
In New York, we already do this.


:lol: :lol:

El Legenda
11-08-2006, 06:59 AM
Stem Cell Research just went to YES from NO in MO

alelysafina
11-08-2006, 06:59 AM
McCaskill speaking...pretty much saying she won.
Webb said he already one

montana will decide the Senate :scared:

:dance: :dance: :dance:

It looks like burns is slowly gaining on tester... lets hope not :scared:

Deboogle!.
11-08-2006, 07:00 AM
Thank god! Prop 85 is just a horrible piece of legislation.yes, horrible
I voted no on the cigarette tax...I didn't particularly like the apportionment of the proposed money, but the way I thought about it, the goal is to get people to stop smoking so it doesn't really matter where the money goes. It looks like it's gonna fail anyway, same for the oil one which I am glad about. The eminent domain one could be really really close :eek:

Deboogle!.
11-08-2006, 07:01 AM
Stem Cell Research just went to YES from NO in MOI'm not familiar enough with the proposed bill, what did a yes and a no vote do?

i'm sure this has been discussed but i'm distressed by the virginia initiative that passed :(

El Legenda
11-08-2006, 07:03 AM
I'm not familiar enough with the proposed bill, what did a yes and a no vote do?

i'm sure this has been discussed but i'm distressed by the virginia initiative that passed :(

Proposed amendment to the Missouri Constitution known as the "Stem Cell Research and Cures Initiative" would protect embryonic stem cell research. It would specifically legalize all stem cell research and therapies consistent with federal law. It would ban human cloning.

El Legenda
11-08-2006, 07:04 AM
McCaskill 50-47...she wins....Talent is saying he pretty much lost.

MisterQ
11-08-2006, 07:04 AM
Glad that prop 85 appears to be losing in Cali.

Unfortunately, the same-sex marriage ban appears to have won in Virginia. :rolleyes:

alelysafina
11-08-2006, 07:04 AM
I didn't particularly like the apportionment of the proposed money, but the way I thought about it, the goal is to get people to stop smoking so it doesn't really matter where the money goes. It looks like it's gonna fail anyway, same for the oil one which I am glad about. The eminent domain one could be really really close :eek:

I voted yes on that one. I've read a lot of articles where eminent domain was abused by companies, corporations, and the gov't itself that really screwed over a lot of people and then nothing came out of it, their property/homes were taken away only to have nothing more than an empty lot standing a few years after.

knight_ley
11-08-2006, 07:05 AM
I just googled Proposition 85. That's a absurd & ridiculous idea. :o I'm glad the two of you voted against it.

knight_ley
11-08-2006, 07:06 AM
McCaskill 50-47...she wins....Talent is saying he pretty much lost.

:aparty:

Deboogle!.
11-08-2006, 07:07 AM
I voted yes on that one. I've read a lot of articles where eminent domain was abused by companies, corporations, and the gov't itself that really screwed over a lot of people and then nothing came out of it, their property/homes were taken away only to have nothing more than an empty lot standing a few years after.I voted no, but not because i'm opposed to it, but because I didn't have enough time to read properly into it and it's my perogative to stay with the status quo when i don't know enough to vote yes :lol:

I just googled Proposition 85. That's a absurd & ridiculous idea. :o I'm glad the two of you voted against it.I don't know anyone who voted for it. Granted the people I know are young and law students, who are by and large relatively liberal and pro-civil rights...

Proposed amendment to the Missouri Constitution known as the "Stem Cell Research and Cures Initiative" would protect embryonic stem cell research. It would specifically legalize all stem cell research and therapies consistent with federal law. It would ban human cloning.damn, and that's gonna fail? that's really too bad.

alelysafina
11-08-2006, 07:08 AM
I just googled Proposition 85. That's a ridiculous idea I think. :o I'm glad the two of you voted against it.

:D

My mom voted yes on it :o she said her the priests at her parish were telling everyone to do so :o

Fee
11-08-2006, 07:10 AM
I voted against all of the California ballot measures this year. The initiative process here is completely out of control. They took the cigarette tax that was supposed to fund emergency rooms and then parceled out money to everyone else in order to get them to sign on to it. They took a great idea for funding research into real alternative fuels and ruined it by making the machine too large and completely unaccountable. The sex offender prop has no funding and no true cost estimate. The education funding screws up the current formulas. And so on and so on and so on. I could not bring myself to vote for anything this year. I hope they all fail.

El Legenda
11-08-2006, 07:10 AM
McCaskill wins :bounce:

49-49 in Senate

Dems lead in both seats still up

Deboogle!.
11-08-2006, 07:11 AM
:D

My mom voted yes on it :o she said her the priests at her parish were telling everyone to do so :oThat precisely there is what is so effing scary about some of these initiatives.

MisterQ
11-08-2006, 07:11 AM
I voted no, but not because i'm opposed to it, but because I didn't have enough time to read properly into it and it's my perogative to stay with the status quo when i don't know enough to vote yes :lol:


Interesting philosophy... I abstain in such cases.

Eminent domain is a troubling subject for me because my parents' community is fighting some massive power lines that might go through right in front of their house. :(

alelysafina
11-08-2006, 07:11 AM
I'm going to go to be now, goodnight guys :wavey:

Fee
11-08-2006, 07:12 AM
:D

My mom voted yes on it :o she said her the priests at her parish were telling everyone to do so :o

Really? What's the name and city of that church? They should lose their tax exempt status if they are campaigning.

MisterQ
11-08-2006, 07:12 AM
McCaskill wins :bounce:

49-49 in Senate

Dems lead in both seats still up

:banana: !!!!

Nitefaery
11-08-2006, 07:12 AM
I just googled prop 85 myself... that's a terrible idea. I don't see that benefiting anyone whatsoever. I don't even want to comment further...ridiculous

MisterQ
11-08-2006, 07:13 AM
I'm going to go to be now, goodnight guys :wavey:

Good night! :wavey: :zzz:

alelysafina
11-08-2006, 07:14 AM
That precisely there is what is so effing scary about some of these initiatives.

Tell me about it, she trusts them more than she trusts us. We tried convincing her up until she pretty much had to go into the booth... but to no avail...

Deboogle!.
11-08-2006, 07:14 AM
I voted against all of the California budget measures this year. The initiative process here is completely out of control. They took the cigarette tax that was supposed to fund emergency rooms and then parceled out money to everyone else in order to get them to sign on to it. They took a great idea for funding research into real alternative fuels and ruined it by making the machine too large and completely unaccountable. The sex offender prop has no funding and no true cost estimate. The education funding screws up the current formulas. And so on and so on and so on. I could not bring myself to vote for anything this year. I hope they all fail.I voted against most of them too. Like the one about levees. I'm all for storm protection and all that stuff, but are floods in California a big enough deal such that we should go billions further into debts? I don't think so. I think I voted no on all of the bond measures except for the one to fix up schools. They're all great ideas but just cost sooooooooooooooooooo much money - California is already too expensive a state to live in :lol:Interesting philosophy... I abstain in such cases.I probably should, but I can't not vote for something, I dunno :haha:
I just googled prop 85 myself... that's a terrible idea. I don't see that benefiting anyone whatsoever. I don't even want to comment further...ridiculousIt benefits the pro-life religious right who want to further their religious agenda :)

knight_ley
11-08-2006, 07:20 AM
I'm going to go to be now, goodnight guys :wavey:


I'm going too. If I don't force myself to bed now I'll be up till 5am watching CNN. It's already 220am and I haven't even STARTED my project due tomorrow that I was convinced I'd get done tonight. THANKS CNN. :lol:

Goodnight guys!!!!!!!!!! :kiss:

Fee
11-08-2006, 07:22 AM
http://vote.ss.ca.gov/ California results, if anyone wants to have a peek.

Yes, flooding is a huge problem in Northern California and in some places in Southern California. The Sacramento Valley is crisscrossed by rivers and there was an absolutely horrendous flood when I first moved up here in 96-97 (there was a very big deal made about a dog rescued from the roof of a house by a news helicopter). The construction boom has put houses far too close to these rivers and the levees that 'protect' them are pretty weak. Nevermind that this was prime agricultural land and houses never should have been built there in the first place. Historically, part of the reason this area was so great for farming was because of the natural, seasonal floods that fed the soil. Now those same floods just ruin houses and stuff. Growth, etc...

Deboogle!.
11-08-2006, 07:25 AM
oh, sorry, (it's waaaaaaaaaaaay past my bedtime :lol: ) I didn't mean that flood protection wasn't important at all, but the proposition called for BILLIONS in bond, this state is soooooooooooooo far in debt, I just didn't see that as the smartest way to spend that kind of money that the state doesn't have. I started adding up the money in all these propositions and it was just so much that it boggled my mind :crazy:

Clara Bow
11-08-2006, 07:30 AM
oh, sorry, (it's waaaaaaaaaaaay past my bedtime :lol: ) I didn't mean that flood protection wasn't important at all, but the proposition called for BILLIONS in bond, this state is soooooooooooooo far in debt, I just didn't see that as the smartest way to spend that kind of money that the state doesn't have. I started adding up the money in all these propositions and it was just so much that it boggled my mind :crazy:


I'm pretty ingorant on flooding in Cali- even though I have family there. How much $ does flooding cost California a year. Would a stitch in time in terms of money now save nine in the future?


California has so many natural problems in terms of mud slides, flooding, earthquakes and wildfires. You guys are lucky you really don't have tornadoes and hurricanes to add into the mix.

Deboogle!.
11-08-2006, 07:34 AM
Sorry sorry sorry lol I didn't mean to pick on the flood one, I just picked the first one that came to my head to make my point. I'm sure they all have good motives behind them and would all do good things, it's just sooooooo much money I just voted no on most of them. It's not that that one in particular is any worse than the others. I also voted no on one for road construction it was what, 11 billion dollars (i'm probably exaggerating)... like yes there are problematic roads that can be a total pain, but it was an overall thing for me, that taken as a whole, these were all way way too much.

Nitefaery
11-08-2006, 07:43 AM
Very tight race in Virginia. Showing 99% reported
Democrats still lead, barely

Clara Bow
11-08-2006, 07:47 AM
Le sigh...I just saw part of Harold Ford's speech and I am still :sad:. Well- again, he fought a good fight in a state that had perhaps the most viscious campaign ads out there. And- I know this has nothing to do with anything, but if he had won, he would have been perhaps the best looking person in the Senate. ;) Sorry- I just need to drown my sorry in the fact that Ford is actually kind of a hottie.

http://www.mpactmemphis.org/Pillars/images/ford1.jpg

One thing that is not filling me with glee is the fact that some of the Reps who lost tonight were pretty darned moderate. For example, although I am very happy that the Dems now have control of the house, the fact that Sen. Chafee lost in Rhode Island does not fill me with glee.

Lee
11-08-2006, 07:49 AM
So Arizona is making English the official state language. Sigh....Now that means that official documents will not be available in other languages. I don't agree with that. In particular when you consider that before Arizona became a state- a lot of folks spoke American Indian languages and Spanish.

A very small victory for Republican. But in a way, it's not a big issue. I don't see any states are bilingual in USA.

http://vote.ss.ca.gov/ California results, if anyone wants to have a peek.

Yes, flooding is a huge problem in Northern California and in some places in Southern California. The Sacramento Valley is crisscrossed by rivers and there was an absolutely horrendous flood when I first moved up here in 96-97 (there was a very big deal made about a dog rescued from the roof of a house by a news helicopter). The construction boom has put houses far too close to these rivers and the levees that 'protect' them are pretty weak. Nevermind that this was prime agricultural land and houses never should have been built there in the first place. Historically, part of the reason this area was so great for farming was because of the natural, seasonal floods that fed the soil. Now those same floods just ruin houses and stuff. Growth, etc...

:shrug: I'm sorry if I sound inconsiderate and I'm not Californian. People know they are building their houses on flood plain and still go ahead and now asking for billions of tax money to fix their problem. It may be a historical problem but then, people and developer will continue to build house on flood plains and will continue to ask state government to fix the problem they created.

Deboogle!.
11-08-2006, 07:51 AM
One thing that is not filling me with glee is the fact that some of the Reps who lost tonight were pretty darned moderate. For example, although I am very happy that the Dems now have control of the house, the fact that Sen. Chafee lost in Rhode Island does not fill me with glee.That's exactly why i'm maintaining that this switch in power won't really make a big difference. A lot of the Dems that did win were also on the conservative end of that spectrum. There were a few races where the Dem and the Rep candidates were allegedly almost identical in terms of ideology, they just had a different label. In my comparative legislatures class in college, my professor postulated that if the Dem and Rep parties were in a really polarized system (he used Israel as an example), that they'd be the same party. I found it fascinating then and I find it even more fascinating after seeing what has happened tonight. It's nice because it's a change and geeky academic types like me can revel in the drama and historical significance, but I don't think the policy coming out of congress is really going to change all that much, practically-speaking. I guess we'll wait and see what happens :D

oh boy, I have to go to bed.

El Legenda
11-08-2006, 07:52 AM
Dems won Virginia..looks like no need for recount since its more than 8000 votes

Montana 25% to go with Dems leading

Clara Bow
11-08-2006, 07:56 AM
It may be a historical problem but then, people and developer will continue to build house on flood plains and will continue to ask state government to fix the problem they created.

Again- I plead ingnorance on this subject, but I do know that construction and the changing of a landscape can alter the terrain and make an area more prone to flooding. So is it possible that you then you run into the sticky area where folks may have had their homes in an area for three decades (like my deceased gramps and living aunt and uncles) that originally was not as flood prone that now is because of alteration of the original landscape?

knight_ley
11-08-2006, 07:59 AM
Dems won Virginia..looks like no need for recount since its more than 8000 votes

Montana 25% to go with Dems leading

:aparty:

I KEEP TRYING TO GO TO BED BUT THEN HAVE TO CHECK UP! :lol:

El Legenda
11-08-2006, 08:01 AM
Fun Fact:

the last 3 states to decide the Senate, Montana, Missouri and Virginia all have a Senator running that was born in Missouri :lol: Montana- Burns(R) Missouri (McCaskill and Talent) and Virginia (Webb)

:wavey:

El Legenda
11-08-2006, 08:03 AM
Burns is cathing up on Tester after 70%..less than 5000 votes now.

Dems by the looks of it will take Virginia

Montana will decide it all, which should be know in about an hour or so.

El Legenda
11-08-2006, 08:07 AM
Good News for Tester is that Sliver Bow County has reported 31% with Tester getting 68%.

Lee
11-08-2006, 08:09 AM
Again- I plead ingnorance on this subject, but I do know that construction and the changing of a landscape can alter the terrain and make an area more prone to flooding. So is it possible that you then you run into the sticky area where folks may have had their homes in an area for three decades (like my deceased gramps and living aunt and uncles) that originally was not as flood prone that now is because of alteration of the original landscape?

For case like this, building a levee won't really solve the problem. You build a higher levee, more development, you build another higher levee, and so on and so for.

When I was in Canada, the city I lived had similar problem. When more residential area developed further up the hill, the houses at the lower part got flooded whenever it rained. The solution is not only build more larger drainage but in developing new community, leave enough room for flood basin, dry pond, etc.

Clara Bow
11-08-2006, 08:09 AM
That's exactly why i'm maintaining that this switch in power won't really make a big difference.

I do think it could make a difference in certain areas.

First, I think with at least control of the House, the legislature will be able to better investigate the awful corruption that has gone on during this admisinstration- ranging from leaks, to the total joke of what they have done to the EPA to contracts in Iraq and post-Katrina.

Also- in reading some of the foreign press- I have read some intersting thoughts on this. Granted, Dem control of the House and perhaps Senate will not end the anti-American policy thought in a lot of European and other nations. But it might make them more responsive to the US in terms of the situation where we are in now to where we are fighting terror and, in turn, creating terrorists with fundamentalist beliefs from our ill thought out actions. It may start to allow us to begin to dig out of the hole that we have dug for ourselves in terms of how we are viewed in terms of our allies and some other nations.

Sorry for the rambling....I had a bit of hooch during the election viewing party that we attended earlier tongiht.

Lee
11-08-2006, 08:24 AM
It's 1:15am here but I try to explain how a better plan community will prevent a continuous devastating flood.

My house in Canada was in a valley. It's back to a man-made pond which is part of the flood controlling system. My house is at the upper part of the valley in my community but there are development further up the hill for another communities. To prevent severe flooding in my community when rain, my community has a man-made pond and many dry ponds. Those dry ponds, when not raining, are large open area. One is used for soccer matches in the summer and tobaganning in the winter. Same for another further down the valley. These ponds are used as holding area for rain water. If it rain heavily, the pond at the back of my house will flood to about the fence of my backyard. But when water reached that level, there's a drainage pipe (big one) leading the water to another dry pond further down the valley. So, instead of rain water run off just rush toward the bottom of the valley where there was a creek, the water was slowly directed toward the creek and also with only part of the runoff.

When I bought that piece of land to build my house, I knew clearly that it's possible the flood water may reach into my backyard which slopes toward the pond.

Scotso
11-08-2006, 08:28 AM
McCaskill :banana:

Lee, I'm so happy Arizona defeated that ban on same-sex marriage. The first defeat for it.

I can't believe Virginia passed it. So sad. :sad:

Scotso
11-08-2006, 08:32 AM
Glad that prop 85 appears to be losing in Cali.

Unfortunately, the same-sex marriage ban appears to have won in Virginia. :rolleyes:

:sobbing: It's so horrible. I just can't believe it.

At least people passed all the minimum wage increases.

The same-sex marriage ban won by like 80% in Tennessee and South Carolina :eek: :rolleyes:

Scotso
11-08-2006, 08:35 AM
I just need to drown my sorry in the fact that Ford is actually kind of a hottie.

http://www.mpactmemphis.org/Pillars/images/ford1.jpg

He's so sexy. :drool:

One thing that is not filling me with glee is the fact that some of the Reps who lost tonight were pretty darned moderate. For example, although I am very happy that the Dems now have control of the house, the fact that Sen. Chafee lost in Rhode Island does not fill me with glee.

Well, at least it's Republicans that are losing. Some say that the Maine girls might jump ship if Democrats gain the Senate. I hope that the Democrats do a good job and show the country they deserve control.

Scotso
11-08-2006, 08:35 AM
Oh and yes, I couldn't sleep. ;)

Lee
11-08-2006, 08:36 AM
McCaskill :banana:

Lee, I'm so happy Arizona defeated that ban on same-sex marriage. The first defeat for it.

I can't believe Virginia passed it. So sad. :sad:


The one here probably because it went too far. The proposition not only ban same sex marriage but only "legally married" hetero couples are allowed for benefit.

The measure would define marriage as a union between one man and one woman and bar state and local governments from giving legal status to unmarried couples.

Supporters say their aim is to protect the sanctity of families. Although a state law outlaws same-sex marriages, the intent is to amend the state Constitution so a judge could not overturn that law.

Opponents say the measure is a largely symbolic attack on gays. Critics also say the measure could take away benefits from partners or heterosexual couples as well as gays.

Scotso
11-08-2006, 08:45 AM
Well the one here in Virginia did the same thing... but it still passed. I fear that people just didn't know what they were voting for. Republicans only called it a ban on gay marriage.

But it goes much beyond that... and I think people will come to regret it.

Scotso
11-08-2006, 08:52 AM
I love that Webb has claimed victory :D He's setting it up well to claim that Allen is a sore loser when he starts the months of legal battles.

Scotso
11-08-2006, 08:54 AM
Burns is starting to gain on Tester :help:

I don't know how Burns could be so close. He's totally insane and must certainly have senile dementia.

Lee
11-08-2006, 08:59 AM
Well the one here in Virginia did the same thing... but it still passed. I fear that people just didn't know what they were voting for. Republicans only called it a ban on gay marriage.

But it goes much beyond that... and I think people will come to regret it.


:eek: :eek: And I think people here in Arizona are very conservative!!!!

Scotso
11-08-2006, 09:02 AM
Virginia hasn't voted for a Democrat for President since Johnson in 1964 :tape:

Scotso
11-08-2006, 09:07 AM
Man, I love Massachusetts. Democratic Governor, two Democratic Senators, all their Representatives are Democrats... and legal gay marriage. What a paradise!

Clara Bow
11-08-2006, 09:08 AM
I don't know how Burns could be so close. He's totally insane and must certainly have senile dementia.

It's a Rocky Mountain state. The full time residents (meaning not all of those entertainment and academia people who have second homes there) are very, very conservative. Rocky Mountain states have been a Rep stronghold for a long time.

MisterQ
11-08-2006, 09:16 AM
Man, I love Massachusetts. Democratic Governor, two Democratic Senators, all their Representatives are Democrats... and legal gay marriage. What a paradise!

I attended a lesbian wedding there last month. A beautiful ceremony.

Now if only they could make decent road signs. :lol:

Scotso
11-08-2006, 09:18 AM
I think I will try to sleep again. :wavey:

Have a lovely night everyone. :)

NicoFan
11-08-2006, 11:20 AM
:lol:

I can't believe how big this thread got after I left last night!

Just have to say:

Please please please let us take Virginia and Montana!

Please!!!!

revolution
11-08-2006, 11:21 AM
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006/pages/results/states/NJ/H/07/

It's official Ferguson (R) def Stender (D).

I am going to go drown my sorrows in more wine. I wish I had vodka. There is a stockpile of mercury in my town. At his debate he CLAIMED HE HAD MOVED IT. He's like "Yeah and I worked on getting that mercury out." Um.. it's still here. And Nevada hasn't accepted the transfer, and probably won't. So he takes credit for things he hasn't done. UGH.

aww :sad:

liptea
11-08-2006, 11:53 AM
I'm from South Carolina. we are...really conservative. really, really conservative.

why won't they declare webb the winner for now? theoretically, he has won, right? by a good 8000 votes.

and montana is making me nervous. and sleepy. back to sleep.

NicoFan
11-08-2006, 12:34 PM
I'm from South Carolina. we are...really conservative. really, really conservative.

why won't they declare webb the winner for now? theoretically, he has won, right? by a good 8000 votes.

and montana is making me nervous. and sleepy. back to sleep.

Sorry you're from a conservative state.

That's good news that he's winning by 8000 votes. :yeah:

But under 11,000, Allen can call a recount that will be paid for by the government. So it might take awhile.

buddyholly
11-08-2006, 12:46 PM
All comes down to Montana and Virginia which is leaning toward Dems

WOW!!!!!! You've got crystal balls. This is quoting the second post in this thread.

zicofirol
11-08-2006, 02:01 PM
people are so fucking retarded, all the propositions to legalize marijuana failed, same with propositions for gambling. What a bunch of fucking idiots...

Pfloyd
11-08-2006, 02:23 PM
Yeah!!

It seems that the 2 undecided states will lean for the Dems, this means, we get the senate!!!

Montana is close, but 1% of the vote is still to be counted!

Sparko1030
11-08-2006, 02:26 PM
Not a bad result overall. Hopefully the dems will take control of the Senate also. But unfortunatly the right to marry the person of your choice took hits all over the country. I don't know-there seems to be more acceptance of gays overall, but this marriage thing still trips people up. All I can say is social change takes time. :shrug: I believe the government should be protecting this basic right of citizens instead of adding amendments to take the right away. I know it is small comfort, but I believe eventually, like other social changes, it will happen.

The good news is IMO, that these "hot button" social issues did not seem to be the issues people were thinking of when they voted for who will represent them. Not sure if its because they see the Iraq war as just that bad or if they finally see that these were just empty issues used by the republicans to win votes. I guess we will see in 2 years....

I am very pleased with the results but I hope the dems don't take it as a sweeping endorsement and end up alienating the electorate like the republicans have done. I hope this ushers in a new era of of respectful disagreeing and pragmatic compromise. And please please please above all else conduct "business" with intergity and honesty-something sorely missing esp these last few years.

Pfloyd
11-08-2006, 02:28 PM
Well, at least all Bush can do now is use his veto pen, cause if we gain the senate, he can't pass his laws.

NicoFan
11-08-2006, 02:38 PM
Not a bad result overall. Hopefully the dems will take control of the Senate also. But unfortunatly the right to marry the person of your choice took hits all over the country. I don't know-there seems to be more acceptance of gays overall, but this marriage thing still trips people up. All I can say is social change takes time. :shrug: I believe the government should be protecting this basic right of citizens instead of adding amendments to take the right away. I know it is small comfort, but I believe eventually, like other social changes, it will happen.

The good news is IMO, that these "hot button" social issues did not seem to be the issues people were thinking of when they voted for who will represent them. Not sure if its because they see the Iraq war as just that bad or if they finally see that these were just empty issues used by the republicans to win votes. I guess we will see in 2 years....

I am very pleased with the results but I hope the dems don't take it as a sweeping endorsement and end up alienating the electorate like the republicans have done. I hope this ushers in a new era of of respectful disagreeing and pragmatic compromise. And please please please above all else conduct "business" with intergity and honesty-something sorely missing esp these last few years.

I agree - the Democrats have to be very very careful. We don't want to lose the 2008 presidential election because they go to far to the left. They have to walk the line - and get us out of Iraq.

Tester is leading by like 1700 votes last time I looked with 99% of the votes in. Which means no recount because of Montana law.

But read that the recount in VA could take until the end of December. :eek: Crazy.

Pfloyd
11-08-2006, 02:41 PM
I agree - the Democrats have to be very very careful. We don't want to lose the 2008 presidential election because they go to far to the left. They have to walk the line - and get us out of Iraq.

Tester is leading by like 1700 votes last time I looked with 99% of the votes in. Which means no recount because of Montana law.

But read that the recount in VA could take until the end of December. :eek: Crazy.

What?!?!?

VA could take that long? But why if they can count all votes in one day, why cant they do the recount in a few?

NicoFan
11-08-2006, 02:48 PM
What?!?!?

VA could take that long? But why if they can count all votes in one day, why cant they do the recount in a few?

From an article in the NY Times. They have to wait for the election to be certified - would be 11/27. And then the recount - another recount took until the end of December.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/08/us/politics/08cnd-recount.html

Pfloyd
11-08-2006, 02:51 PM
Damn...

At least we'll stay tuned to see what happens in Montana.

One has to be watchful to verify that VA recounts are transparent...

mangoes
11-08-2006, 02:54 PM
I'm feeling very good about the prospect of the Democrats taking the Senate. However, I'm getting ready for every trick in the book to be used in Virgina to contest the present results.

I certainly hope the Democrats are careful and put forth a strategic plan that will allow the Dems to take the White House in 2008. Voters are going to be watching the Democrats closely. They can't do a lot, per se, however, they have to intelligently challenge Bush's decisions and show 2008 voters that they can really propose a new direction for America.

On a positive note, this election seems to have been closely followed in many countries and there seems to be an impression imprinted that Americans are disagreeing with the Bush Government.

zicofirol
11-08-2006, 03:02 PM
Not a bad result overall. Hopefully the dems will take control of the Senate also. But unfortunatly the right to marry the person of your choice took hits all over the country. I don't know-there seems to be more acceptance of gays overall, but this marriage thing still trips people up. All I can say is social change takes time. :shrug: I believe the government should be protecting this basic right of citizens instead of adding amendments to take the right away. I know it is small comfort, but I believe eventually, like other social changes, it will happen.

does that right include the right to consume what you please(drugs alcohol etc.), or the right to keep what you earn, or the right to not be forced into public indoctrination, or the right to not be forced into a national health care plan? or the right to not be forced to buy health insurance?

Sparko1030
11-08-2006, 03:03 PM
I agree - the Democrats have to be very very careful. We don't want to lose the 2008 presidential election because they go to far to the left. They have to walk the line - and get us out of Iraq.

Tester is leading by like 1700 votes last time I looked with 99% of the votes in. Which means no recount because of Montana law.

But read that the recount in VA could take until the end of December. :eek: Crazy.

Fingers crossed for Tester!!! ( although I"m not sure I like a no recount law-doen't sound right but I guess I shouldn't complain since it seems it would work in a dems favor this time) And I can't believe it will take sooooo long for VA to obtain a final result :rolleyes:

Sparko1030
11-08-2006, 03:11 PM
does that right include the right to consume what you please(drugs alcohol etc.), or the right to keep what you earn, or the right to not be forced into public indoctrination, or the right to not be forced into a national health care plan? or the right to not be forced to buy health insurance?

My, it sounds like you really don't care for the US at all!!!! Maybe you can find an deserted island somewhere so you won't have to deal with anyone else. Look, I think you know your response is extreme-I mean how is anyone in this country "forced into public indoctrination" :rolleyes: Do you live in fear of being arressted for what you belive? Do we have a little "red" book to tell us what to do?

And whine whine whine about taxes. Lord almighty,do you even have an inkling what taxes go for????? For starters, a military to protect us, public education, infrastructure that benifits us all. Do a little research and try and imagine a world without any government. I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at with the insurance comment. If you don't want isurance that tells me many things about you-your young and arent' worried about health problems for yourself and you have no children. Anyone with children will want health insureance for them, I assure you. Talk to me when your a little older. :p

zicofirol
11-08-2006, 03:31 PM
My, it sounds like you really don't care for the US at all!!!! Maybe you can find an deserted island somewhere so you won't have to deal with anyone else. Look, I think you know your response is extreme-I mean how is anyone in this country "forced into public indoctrination" :rolleyes: Do you live in fear of being arressted for what you belive? Do we have a little "red" book to tell us what to do?

And whine whine whine about taxes. Lord almighty,do you even have an inkling what taxes go for????? For starters, a military to protect us, public education, infrastructure that benifits us all. Do a little research and try and imagine a world without any government. I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at with the insurance comment. If you don't want isurance that tells me many things about you-your young and arent' worried about health problems for yourself and you have no children. Anyone with children will want health insureance for them, I assure you. Talk to me when your a little older. :p

You call public education, education, the public education indoctrinates with ignorance. You cant say public education is a success in America of the 1st world nations its by far the worst. And yes why should a parent be forced to send their child to school choosen by the state?

YOu mean to fund unjust wars and operations around the world? thats what my taxes go to? or so the government can control who gets married and who doesnt? or so they can place an undecover hooker to arrest some guy looking for a BJ? or so they can make sure some guy is not getting stoned in his house? or so they can make sure and count up all the property someone has when they die to take away 50% of it? or so they can set up an agency to make sure the word "fuck" is not said on tv or on radio? or to make sure there is no "underground" abortion clinics? or is it so they can hand out money to whatever group of people will give them the most votes? or is it to hand out money in form of subsidies to rich farmers or companies that dont need it? or is it to subsidize single mothers who once they screw up want me to take care of their child for 18 years? or is it to build more jails for all the people arrested for drug possesion? or is it to give out billions in "aid" to anyone and everyone? or is it to make sure the parasites in congress get their paychecks?
Or is it to fund the FDA so they can delay cancer medication for 10 years while people die, or so they can make it illegal to buy a medication over the counter to protect the big pharmaceuticals from competition?

How do you know every parent wants forced health insurance? are you so smart and righteous to decide for everyone else? or some politician to decide for everyone? If you had a bit more common sense you would know its the insurance companies that push for these measure because it gives them a secure monopoly. Not only that but when making a decision of buying or not buying health insurance a person decides if the monthly cost is worth it, but HE or SHE gets to make that decision not some politician. Oh and health cost have been rising thanks to government regulations so they just add to the cost.

Please you need come back to the real world, where politicians lie, steal and your tax money goes out to the highest bidder.

ps. And I dont advocate no government, only very limited government, one who's duty is to protect our rights and only that. No one who has the power to do whatever it wants as long as the majority agrees with it.


edit: Oh and it is because I CARE that I support the policies I do and why I am against almost all forms of government intervention, and I came to a conclusion based on facts. You support youre feel good policies because of altruism and how it makes you feel good and self-righteous to support these policies. Becuase who in god's name would be opposed to "free national healthcare", right? off course if you didn't have such a shortsighted view of things you might actually dig deeper to find out the real cost of these polices, how they are implemented, at what cost, what freedoms are lost, what powers does this grant government etc. And you end up realizing that there is no "gain" from this only loses across the board. Or for example liek with minimum wage the most idiotic discussion in these elections, it is fact, and this is proven by economic theory and history (the overwhelming majority of economist agree) that minimum wage laws only hurt the poorest and most unskilled labors, like happened during the great depression with the minimum wage increase many blacks lost their jobs because they where the lowest skilled workers (usually), of course to realize this just takes common sense, that when you raise the cost of hiring people you hire LESS people. Yet amazingly people still support these idiotic measures...

NicoFan
11-08-2006, 03:43 PM
Oh no...Webb's lead cut to 6,000 votes.

:eek:

mangoes
11-08-2006, 04:06 PM
Oh no...Webb's lead cut to 6,000 votes.

:eek:

I just went to CNN and looked at their interactive map
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006/pages/results/states/VA/S/01/index.html

and it's presently about 8131+ for Webb as of 10:59 am EST. and I then looked at the county by county reporting and FairFax only has 86% reported in. I am beginning to feel better about this for the Dems.

It also looks like we have Montana. Yellowstone has finished recounting. They're holding out for the provisional ballets.

tennisace
11-08-2006, 04:22 PM
Dems. :worship: :worship:

And a huge thank you to all the Independents who finally saw the light.

Sparko1030
11-08-2006, 04:24 PM
You call public education, education, the public education indoctrinates with ignorance. You cant say public education is a success in America of the 1st world nations its by far the worst. And yes why should a parent be forced to send their child to school choosen by the state?

YOu mean to fund unjust wars and operations around the world? thats what my taxes go to? or so the government can control who gets married and who doesnt? or so they can place an undecover hooker to arrest some guy looking for a BJ? or so they can make sure some guy is not getting stoned in his house? or so they can make sure and count up all the property someone has when they die to take away 50% of it? or so they can set up an agency to make sure the word "fuck" is not said on tv or on radio? or to make sure there is no "underground" abortion clinics? or is it so they can hand out money to whatever group of people will give them the most votes? or is it to hand out money in form of subsidies to rich farmers or companies that dont need it? or is it to subsidize single mothers who once they screw up want me to take care of their child for 18 years? or is it to build more jails for all the people arrested for drug possesion? or is it to give out billions in "aid" to anyone and everyone? or is it to make sure the parasites in congress get their paychecks?
Or is it to fund the FDA so they can delay cancer medication for 10 years while people die, or so they can make it illegal to buy a medication over the counter to protect the big pharmaceuticals from competition?

How do you know every parent wants forced health insurance? are you so smart and righteous to decide for everyone else? or some politician to decide for everyone? If you had a bit more common sense you would know its the insurance companies that push for these measure because it gives them a secure monopoly. Not only that but when making a decision of buying or not buying health insurance a person decides if the monthly cost is worth it, but HE or SHE gets to make that decision not some politician. Oh and health cost have been rising thanks to government regulations so they just add to the cost.

Please you need come back to the real world, where politicians lie, steal and your tax money goes out to the highest bidder.

ps. And I dont advocate no government, only very limited government, one who's duty is to protect our rights and only that. No one who has the power to do whatever it wants as long as the majority agrees with it.


edit: Oh and it is because I CARE that I support the policies I do and why I am against almost all forms of government intervention, and I came to a conclusion based on facts. You support youre feel good policies because of altruism and how it makes you feel good and self-righteous to support these policies. Becuase who in god's name would be opposed to "free national healthcare", right? off course if you didn't have such a shortsighted view of things you might actually dig deeper to find out the real cost of these polices, how they are implemented, at what cost, what freedoms are lost, what powers does this grant government etc. And you end up realizing that there is no "gain" from this only loses across the board. Or for example liek with minimum wage the most idiotic discussion in these elections, it is fact, and this is proven by economic theory and history (the overwhelming majority of economist agree) that minimum wage laws only hurt the poorest and most unskilled labors, like happened during the great depression with the minimum wage increase many blacks lost their jobs because they where the lowest skilled workers (usually), of course to realize this just takes common sense, that when you raise the cost of hiring people you hire LESS people. Yet amazingly people still support these idiotic measures...


Well, you have a LOT of anger there.... I understand that since the last 6 years have been a nightmare for me. Look, you want little government so you are likely to be critical of any programs. You feign concern for the poor and unskilled but find rationals for not supporting raising the minimum wage, and dispairage programs to help the disadvantage. You complain about poor mothers who need finacial help to take care of their kids, yet seem to be agianst abortion. And yes, I am quite confident any person who is a parent will want health insureance for them. Trust me on that one-when a parent is put in the position of choosing a trip to the dr for their sick child vs feeding them,if they love thier child, yes, that person will want the insrueance. I don't trust health insurance companies either and they are big part of the current problem, yet YOU don't want the government to step in and do anything about it-who else will???? Experience has taught us that business is not capable of policing itself. Greed is a much stronger urge than doing the right thing.

I don't like what the current adminstration has done with the military either but to be without one would be more than foolhardy. Do you really think we would last without the military????? What do you think N. Korea, China and other assorted powers would do without a strong US???? Do you know any history????? We must wield our power wisely but we must maintain it. And don't blame the military when its the president who is responsible for the current mess. And the US electorate has finally told Bush ENOUGH!!!!!

You think I'm self rightous for wanting the government to help people. So be it, label me as you like, I know my motivations. If you think compassion is the wrong reason for the government to "help" then consider how society and therefore the economy benifits from all citizens being well ecducated and in stable environments. You slam public education yet seem not to care to do anything about it. Public education is the the backbone of our culture/economy/society. We ALL benefit from a well educated public and if its not working, we need to fix it, not abandon it.

Really, it seems you have a lot complain about but offer nothing but cynisim, no solutions. I still think you'd be happier on that deserted island. :)

tangerine_dream
11-08-2006, 04:25 PM
"My fellow Americans, our long national nightmare is finally over." :D

If the Dems take both the House and Senate does that mean we can finally start the IMPEACHMENT proceedings? Please? Huh? Please? :bounce:

So I stayed up too long last night to watch all the election news. I've been so obsessed with this election, reading everything I can get my hands on, watching all the political shows. I've been reading all the conservative blogs this morning, what a laugh riot. I haven't even bothered to check out the Shanghai draw yet.

I've been reading the foreign media's reaction to the elections. It's always interesting to the misconceptions intertwined with some good perception. This from the BBC's boards:

we most banglashi is happy by the winning of democrate. its a good news for future wrold politics. we hope democrates will take the proper step to do anything by logic.
bablu, dhaka


Congratulations America and long live democaracy.?I hope this helps to turn the growing tide of anti Americanism in Europe, it has certainly put the USA back on my list of holiday destinations.
David, Bracknell


Hopefully, it will mean a marginally safer world for my fellow non-Americans!
Meg Smith


This second term gives American politicians an opportunity to recover some self respect and they will need to work hard to attempt to rebuild and polish a very battered image. They will need to demonstrate intelligent leadership in stark contrast to the appalling blundering that have characterised the Bush administration to date. What I really want to know is 'who is actually in charge' ? Bush and his administration's stewardship of foreign policy will not be treated well by history and if it were not for America's influential role in world affairs it would actually be funny. Let me say loudly 'The Emperor has no BRAIN' !!
Eric, Sydney


I am certain most non Americans would have heaved a collective sigh of relief on hearing the news of set back to Bush. Bush will learn no lessons from the debacle. If he is not a “learn nothing forget nothing” kind he would have been running administration with lot more imagination. Unfortunately for the world, the lesson taught by the American voters will be in vein on the CEO of the world's sole super power.
Krish Govind, Bangalore, India


Great news for the free world, bush and his hawks with less power, its time for a clinton goverment again where USA was liked and respected through out the world, come on Hilary get your hat in the ring for the next president of the good old USA, all of europe wants another clinton not a bush.?Great News
Ted McDick, Baku


it is quite amazing that the american voting majority took one too many presidential terms to come into the realisation that bush was bad news, which i believe many around the world already knew several years after he went into office. even if it could be argued sucessfully that he cheated in his first term, who is ultimately responsible for putting him in his second?
lernie ang, philippines


According to the media the 3 reasons for the changes in The USA are:??1 Bushes unpopularity?2 Corruption in the Republican party?3 The war in Iraq.??Looks remarkably like Blair & Labour over here and hopefully we'll get a change at our next General Election.
Keith Baldwin, Chepstow & Doha, Qatar



What is next for Bush??Hopefully oblivion until he gets arrested for war crimes
[stokkevn], Aberdeen, United Kingdom


Rejoice !?It's the beginning of the end for Bush and his neocon cronies. It's great to see Dubya getting the kicking he so richly deserves.?Now the US can start to heal its damaged relations with the rest of the world.
Reg, Sandhurst UK


it is good things for u.s. and for americans,also for another world countries.because during Bush administration,u.s. lost too many friends and won too many enemies.so,non democratic issues also arised during his terms.?i believe,american worth better administration than Bush one.thanks.
ugur, singapore

That's what makes America great. You don't respect the voters who entrusted you; you're shown the doormat to the exit. Well done Americans.
Ali Zaid, Sana'a, Yemen


Cheney has been quoted as saying that regardless of the outcome the administration will pursue its agenda "full speed". How much more ignorant can you get? Does that mean there is still no compromise, no dialog despite a clear message by the American people?
Stephan, Germany


This is the beginning of a return to sanity in U.S. governance. A return to a two party system with a second voice - a voice that is more representative of the REAL America. Finally, the Republican generated darkness is beginning to fade!
Dave Mill


After reading newspapers, listening to talk radio, surfing news sites on the web and watching news channels I learned that numerous terrorist orgs, as well as muslim-terrorist states were openly stating that they hope America would vote for Democrats to win because then America would leave the Middle East. Not suprisingly, smug Europeans, including many Brits were openly wishing for the same thing. Because of that, I voted for all Republicans because I refuse to allow America to become a weak European like nation and I refuse to allow America to run from a justified fight in the middle east which would do nothing more than foster barbic muslim nations to defeat strong, civilized nations.
Chris, Columbus, Ohio


Thank goodness for this. To be able to be rid of part of Bush power is a sigh of relief. The world has become a more dangerous place with Bush being the brain of USA (or no brain). I just wish that the americans have realise this earlier...
Christopher, Malaysia


I suggest that the average American that participates in BBC commentary is not a fan of Republicans or Bush. I live in Texas and work in California and do not encounter anywhere near the venom represented here toward Bush and the GOP in either state. I'll be the oddball here and say yes, I voted. I voted the straight GOP ticket with the exception of some libertarian candidates in minor races.
Mark, Corpus Christi


If the World is not holding its breath today it certainly should be. If American voters can land a hard enough blow to the body of the Republican aministration then Bush and all of his war-mongering allies will be in terminal retreat. The acceleration of terrorism, war in Iraq and Afghanistan, global warming, global poverty and the failure to tackle global disease - these are the great achievements of the Bush era. Let us just pray that today the Democrats will bring him down!
Alex Perkins, Canterbury


I am a hispanic (mexican-american), married to an African (nigerian). We are both catholic and conservatives. We believe in keeping the sanctitiy of marriage between a man and a woman, we want lower taxes, we want to keep on fighting islamic extremism overseas and not over here. We believe in conservative supreme court justices. There is only one choice, the republican choice for us.
Pete, The Colony


I find it shocking that the vast majority of those who took this poll are under the illusion that the war in Iraq is going to be the critical issue in the forthcoming elections. As always, the American public will vote with their wallets and given the reasonably robust health of current global economics it is hard to see the republican party get the drumming that the media would have us believe they will.
John L, Dublin, Ireland


As an outside observer looking in...it seems to me that Pres. Bush inherited a lot of problems that should have been dealt with by previous admins. and never were. They were only to happy to pass the buck. I think Pres. Bush has been excellent. I think he has accomplished a lot in a short time. He doesn't concern himself with what others think of him like a previous US Pres. Leadership looks like that sometimes. Willing to make very tough decisions now to bring about positive outcomes later. Visionary!
Janet, Edmonton, Canada


November 7, 2006 is a day of truth in America. Americans are emancipated from father of lies. Brutality is over.
Greg Donald, Toronto


At last!! The American people are finally coming to their senses!!
Lorcan Drysdale, Bridgwater, Somerset, UK


The excellent coverage the BBC is giving to the Mid-term elections reflects the growing interest in American politics. I suspect we all realise that these are the elections that really affect the global future.
What will be the outcome of the race for the remaining Virginia senate seat- legal challenges and subsequent delays in calling the vital result?
As a "subject" of the British monarchy, I have great admiration for the way in which the American republic is set-up, but contempt for the way in which corporate dollars and litigation can affect the actual democratic process; it's a shambles.
Great idea, doesn't work in practice, isn't that what we said about we said about communism?
Phil Ward, Barcelona

Sparko1030
11-08-2006, 04:34 PM
:worship: Thanks for that sample of blogs tangerine dream!

NicoFan
11-08-2006, 04:37 PM
Tangy - thanks for those!!! :yeah:

I'm still so nervous about VA and Montana - I just don't trust the republicans. They cheated in 2000 - they cheated in 2004. What makes us think they won't cheat again in 2006. :(

mangoes
11-08-2006, 04:39 PM
Thanks for the quotes Tangy. Interesting Read.

Vote difference has gone up by one in Virginia to 8132. They are counting the absentee ballets and the provisional ballets. But, since the Republicans really need to win Virginia now, I am so nervous for the bag of tricks they are sure to pull out.

Democrats are declaring Montana a win. Everything has been counted and they expect Tester's win to be certified in a few days by the Secretary of State of Montana.

savesthedizzle
11-08-2006, 04:44 PM
I woke up to better news than I expected. I too am nervous about VA.

Pfloyd
11-08-2006, 05:03 PM
8,000 vote differntial favoring Webb.

4,000 more votes and It would really help Webb.

savesthedizzle
11-08-2006, 05:03 PM
Okay so as we all know I was feeling kind of down last night about Mike Ferguson continuing to be my representative in Congress over the lovely, intelligent, compassionate Linda Stender. Anyway, I just got an email that made me feel a little bit better about the situation, so if there is anyone else out there feeling a little down because maybe their local race didn't go the way they had planned... well maybe it'll cheer you up a bit:

(This is from the mailing list for Blue 7th PAC)

Dear Friend,

Well, last night Linda Stender came really close to pulling off a huge upset but in the end the gerrymandered district was just too much to overcome. I am sure everyone is disappointed at the results, but we should know that we made a huge difference. Mike Ferguson won in 2004 with 58 percent of the vote, and he wasn't able to crack 50 percent this time.

That's right. Ferguson doesn't even have the support of half the voters in NJ7 anymore.

You should also be very proud of yourselves, and what we did together as Blue 7th over the past 20 months. We collected our energy, our money, our intelligence and our effort into one big pot and made a huge unexpected change in NJ7. It was an honor to help direct that effort.

I wanted to share with you some of the results we accomplished by combining our efforts together.


Blue 7th spent 20 months of consistent, honest and aggressive work in telling the voters who their Congressman was and how he voted when in DC. We used the Internet, mailings, personal contact, historical research, letters-to-the-editor, road signs, voter registration, street fairs, GOTV and freeway blogging to get the message out. We contributed $5000 to Linda Stender and we raised another $6000, including $3000 in less than 48 hours this week when she made an emergency appeal. We spent more than $5000 on direct mailings and signs and other means of educating voters.

We were sponsors in fundraisers that brought in more than $10,000 more. And our blog – Dump Mike – was cited along with the excellent group blog Blue Jersey as the reason why Stender received the "Netroots Candidates" endorsement which raised another $50,000.

Not bad for a group of grassroots folks in a Republican Congressional district just trying to make a difference. And we did. Linda came within two points of defeating a three term Congressman in a hard district. The national Republicans had to send resources to NJ7 instead of taking them out, which helped Democrats win in other areas of the country and contributed to taking back the House.

Our efforts also brought many new voters to the Democratic line, and that helped local tickets win. I can personally say that our efforts at GOTV likely put our fourth Council candidate over the top in North Plainfield and gave us a 100 percent Democratic Borough Council for the first time in generations. Other towns like Flemington, South Bound Brook, Green Brook and Linden benefited from our efforts as well.

Together we proved that ordinary people working together, pooling their resources and each contributing just a little bit can make a huge difference in a hard race.

You proved that.

In the coming weeks there will be conversations about the directions Blue 7th will take in the future as we assess the new political climate and the best way to achieve our goal or turning NJ7 blue.

But today is a day to reflect on what we accomplished together in the past 20 months, and to be proud of that effort.

Thank you,
Nathan Rudy
Chair, Blue 7 th PAC
Council President, North Plainfield, NJ


I think I just needed to be reminded that even though she didn't win, we made it close enough to have to draw Republican attention to us and away from other states, so we did help the cause. So to anyone else who lives in an area where voting was close and the Republicans had to swoop in to save someone... we still did good. :yeah:

Pfloyd
11-08-2006, 05:07 PM
This thread IS going to chat, damn.

Might as well keep using this thread as a US politcs thread...

LaTenista
11-08-2006, 05:12 PM
The House of Representatives race for Ohio's 2nd district (mine) is still up in the air - Republican Jean Schmidt has about 2000 more votes than Democrat Victoria Wulsin but there are more than 5000 provisional and absentee ballots to be counted and supposedly it's going to take 10 days. :rolleyes:

ufokart
11-08-2006, 05:13 PM
This thread IS going to chat, damn.

Might as well keep using this thread as a US politcs thread...

I think this has been the most interesting thread of the forum since about 3 month ago :lol:

And i'm happy the democrats control the house and the governorships and i hope they win the senate :rocker2:

Pfloyd
11-08-2006, 05:35 PM
Bush is about to give a speech in regards of the democratic dominance in the house...

MisterQ
11-08-2006, 05:46 PM
AP has just projected Tester (Democrat) as Montana winner! :cool:

Pfloyd
11-08-2006, 05:49 PM
Yep, add 1 independant as a for sure democrat, then Democrats have tied the republicans in the senate...

alelysafina
11-08-2006, 05:50 PM
OMG!!!! Rumsfeld is stepping down!!!!

Pfloyd
11-08-2006, 05:50 PM
OMG!!! Rumsfeld steps out of office!!!!

Socket
11-08-2006, 05:51 PM
"My fellow Americans, our long national nightmare is finally over." :D

If the Dems take both the House and Senate does that mean we can finally start the IMPEACHMENT proceedings? Please? Huh? Please? :bounce:

So I stayed up too long last night to watch all the election news. I've been so obsessed with this election, reading everything I can get my hands on, watching all the political shows. I've been reading all the conservative blogs this morning, what a laugh riot. I haven't even bothered to check out the Shanghai draw yet.

I've been reading the foreign media's reaction to the elections. It's always interesting to the misconceptions intertwined with some good perception. This from the BBC's boards:

Ouch. Way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory and ensure a Republican is elected president in 2008.

alelysafina
11-08-2006, 05:52 PM
I was first! :lol:

Sparko1030
11-08-2006, 05:53 PM
OMG!!!! Rumsfeld is stepping down!!!!

:eek: OMG!!! Its about time!!!!!

Pfloyd
11-08-2006, 05:53 PM
Yeah..

MisterQ
11-08-2006, 05:54 PM
:banana:

savesthedizzle
11-08-2006, 05:54 PM
:woohoo:

Pfloyd
11-08-2006, 05:54 PM
Damn, this is all awsome news!!

NATAS81
11-08-2006, 05:54 PM
Good move to can Rummy. Needed a change in Iraq. He was too conservative in many positions, mainly there. I thought his likeable persona was funny at first, and a good guy, but it was time to go.

NicoFan
11-08-2006, 05:55 PM
I AM SOOO HAPPY THAT RUMSFIELD IS OUT!!!!!!

:woohoo:

Its about time...totally about time. :yeah:

:wavey: To the incompetents who have put this country on the brink of disaster. Don't let the door hit you on the butt on the way out. ;) :lol:

Sparko1030
11-08-2006, 05:58 PM
Of course, now we have to hope Bush appoints someone better. He doesn't have the best track record with appointments but perhaps he will be more careful now.

I agree with Socket on the impeachment subject. While I would LOVE to see him impeached and I think he certainly deserves it, I feel it would be bad for the country. It would divide us again and spoil chances for a dem being elected president in 2008.

Pfloyd
11-08-2006, 05:59 PM
The head of th CIA is now the new Secretary of Defense...

Socket
11-08-2006, 06:00 PM
The head of th CIA is now the new Secretary of Defense...

Until it's offered to Sen. Lieberman, who would then be replaced by a Republican.

Pfloyd
11-08-2006, 06:01 PM
Bush is speaking...

Sparko1030
11-08-2006, 06:02 PM
I AM SOOO HAPPY THAT RUMSFIELD IS OUT!!!!!!

:woohoo:

Its about time...totally about time. :yeah:

:wavey: To the incompetents who have put this country on the brink of disaster. Don't let the door hit you on the butt on the way out. ;) :lol:

:rolls: :aparty: Ahhh....I know the country is in deep crap and the dems have a LOT of uphill work to do BUT this victory does feel good!

Pres is about to speak to us....;)

Lebowski
11-08-2006, 06:02 PM
Ding Dong! The Witch is dead. Which old Witch? The Wicked Witch!
Ding Dong! The Wicked Witch is dead.


YOUR OUT OF HERE!!!!!!!! 1 down 20 to go

MisterQ
11-08-2006, 06:08 PM
Not sure what is more thrilling, Rumsfeld, Montana, or impending chat status for this thread.... :lol:

tangerine_dream
11-08-2006, 06:09 PM
OMG!!!! Rumsfeld is stepping down!!!!
Wow. *weeps with joy* :banana:

Legal Alien in Arizona ;) :p :p
OIC. So how long have you been in Arizona? What brought you there? Are you running from a life of crime in Canada? :aplot: We know that's why Jerry is here. :lol: ;)

Sparko1030
11-08-2006, 06:12 PM
:haha: oh man, he just made me laugh when he said "we must resist the temptation to divide this country b/t blues and reds" Yeah, he would know about that.....:lol:

I think he's still in denial about how its going in Iraq and the message the voters have sent him. :rolleyes:

Pfloyd
11-08-2006, 06:12 PM
Wow, Bush just admitted he lied about Rumsfeld...

damn...

LaTenista
11-08-2006, 06:13 PM
OMG Bush :speakles: He's getting frustated and just keeps talking in hopes that something good comes out.

Pfloyd
11-08-2006, 06:14 PM
He said "I though we were going to do well yesterday" 'it shows what I know"

this is more self-destruction...

LaTenista
11-08-2006, 06:14 PM
:haha: My FOX station just switched back to regular programming. Now I've got NBC on to follow it.

Pfloyd
11-08-2006, 06:21 PM
Wow, he's getting tough questions, good.

Clara Bow
11-08-2006, 06:22 PM
Can't wait to see the snippets from this.

I am having such a hard time focusing on my job duties today. :)

tangerine_dream
11-08-2006, 06:23 PM
This press conference is hilarious. Bush is so gobsmacked, embarrassed, angry, frustrated, and on the defensive; He looks *very* uncomfortable right now. He's acting like a total boor with the press and getting all pissy. Such supreme incompetence on parade. And now he's forced to work with Pelosi who's called him out on his crap so often. mwahahaha :devil:

Live free video stream here at Yahoo. (http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/scp_v3/viewer/index.php?pid=16598&rn=49750&cl=1104009&ch=1104008&src=www.yahoo.com)

Clara Bow
11-08-2006, 06:26 PM
Ouch. Way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory and ensure a Republican is elected president in 2008.

Do you mean if they tried to start impechment proceedings?

Tangy- love the use of the Gerald Ford quote by the way. :)

Lebowski
11-08-2006, 06:28 PM
This is actually one of his better conference

MisterQ
11-08-2006, 06:29 PM
After holding out, CNN has now called Montana for Tester too. :)

Sparko1030
11-08-2006, 06:33 PM
As he proudly touts the high enlistment rates for the military, he fails to mention how much they had to lower the standards to keep the numbers up.

Pfloyd
11-08-2006, 06:39 PM
he..sttu ttteerrrs allottt....

MisterQ
11-08-2006, 06:42 PM
I just lost sound for about fifteen minutes. :( I hope the entire press conference will be available somewhere later (Google video or a torrent)

This press conference will self-destruct in 10 seconds. 9, 8, 7, 6....

Scotso
11-08-2006, 06:47 PM
I don't like listening to Bush speak. I feel like it makes me dumber.

:banana: for Rumsfeld going byebye! :D

And :bounce: because it looks like Democrats will control the Senate and the House! :D

Pfloyd
11-08-2006, 06:48 PM
Im gonna love watching C - Span even more now...

MisterQ
11-08-2006, 06:49 PM
I don't like listening to Bush speak. I feel like it makes me dumber.

:banana: for Rumsfeld going byebye! :D

And :bounce: because it looks like Democrats will control the Senate and the House! :D

Thanks for voting in VA. ;)

Socket
11-08-2006, 06:50 PM
Do you mean if they tried to start impechment proceedings?

Tangy- love the use of the Gerald Ford quote by the way. :)

Yes. Voters want work on legislation, not another dog-and-pony show. And Pelosi has acknowledged that. Besdes, many of the new Dems are moderate to conservative and they're not going to go along with impeachment. Heath Shuler (former Washington Redskins QB!) was initially approached by the Republicans, but good Southerner that he is, he couldn't join the party of Lincoln, so he ran as a Dem. He is a conservative evangelical Christian. Many Republicans are more liberal than he is.

Scotso
11-08-2006, 06:50 PM
They just declared Tester the winner! :bounce:

Scotso
11-08-2006, 06:51 PM
Thanks for voting in VA. ;)

Yes, but of course people will have to wait forever to find out who really won here.

We're so dramatic in VA :p I think we did this on purpose because we want VA to be important again :lol:

Pfloyd
11-08-2006, 06:52 PM
Chat thread, in less that a day

Sparko1030
11-08-2006, 06:55 PM
Chat thread, in less that a day


VAMOOOSSSSS!!!! I guess you had a pretty good idea to start an elections results thread! :worship:

Pfloyd
11-08-2006, 06:56 PM
hehe, Thank you :D

MTF needed a thread like this

Scotso
11-08-2006, 06:59 PM
Yes. It's time that people wake up and pay attention to politics. It amazes me that so many people just don't care. The rules that the people we elect make effect everything we do... and still more than half the people just sit at home and watch TV or something, paying no attention to it.

Sparko1030
11-08-2006, 07:03 PM
Very interesting analysis on msnbc-They seem to think all that Bush is doing now is to send Cheney a message that he's "seperating" from him and his cadre and finally going to align himself with his father and people from his camp. If this is true, it is very good news. Bush I is a sensible brand of republican. Even the talk of bringing Baker into to advise sounds good! The last 6 years of neocon republicans makes the moderates look pretty damm good! :lol:

ufokart
11-08-2006, 07:04 PM
Listening to Bush Speak hurts my ears :explode:

But i watched it because i knew it would be funny how he mumbled and stuttered during the whole appearence. And i'm amazed he still can't speak proper english.

I despise the idiot, but he is sure funny sometimes :haha:, especially in big speeches :p


And my salute to Rumsfeld, hope i never have to see your despicable face again :wavey: :lol:


By the way, look at this result http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006/pages/results/states/CT/H/02/ :rolls:. That's what i call close.

ufokart
11-08-2006, 07:06 PM
And congrats to the thread starter for the idea of making this.

Chat thread :woohoo:. I only hope it will continue to be about politics :)

MisterQ
11-08-2006, 07:07 PM
By the way, look at this result http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006/pages/results/states/CT/H/02/ :rolls:. That's what i call close.

Wow :eek:

Pfloyd
11-08-2006, 07:09 PM
And congrats to the thread starter for the idea of making this.

Chat thread :woohoo:. I only hope it will continue to be about politics :)

Thank you..

And yeah, if we want to, it will continue being about politics

Scotso
11-08-2006, 07:09 PM
That's pretty close. I remember an election in my district a few years ago where the winner won by 1 vote. Exactly 1 vote. :eek:

NicoFan
11-08-2006, 07:09 PM
Yes. It's time that people wake up and pay attention to politics. It amazes me that so many people just don't care. The rules that the people we elect make effect everything we do... and still more than half the people just sit at home and watch TV or something, paying no attention to it.


Scott - it amazes me too.

Biggest reason - they say that both sides of the aisle are corrupt so why pay attention. That's too simplistic (and also the lazy way out). I lobbied for a long time, and I know that there are good people on both sides, and nuts on both sides. But the good outweigh the bad.

People need to pay attention. Call the politicans out when they don't tell the truth. And if we have the numbers, we can force them to do what we want them to.

I know that on most issues, the politicians don't hear anything from their constituents. Shame on us rather than shame on them. They don't hear anything, they do what they want.

NicoFan
11-08-2006, 07:11 PM
And yeah, if we want to, it will continue being about politics

Thanks from me too! :hug:

Definitely would love to have the thread continue being about politics.

Scotso
11-08-2006, 07:13 PM
I agree... people use the corruption and two party system as reasons not to vote. Those may be reasons, but they're not excuses. Everyone should vote. If everyone voted, there would be real change. If people supported third parties, we wouldn't be dominated by the two party system. It's time for people to put up or shut up.


Interestingly, Bush the First was the only Republican my mom ever voted for for President, and she only voted for him the second time he ran.... because she felt bad for him and didn't think he was doing too badly. :lol:

Scotso
11-08-2006, 07:14 PM
I was 9 when that happened, and I walked around with a little "Perot" sticker on my backpack. :lol:

Scotso
11-08-2006, 07:18 PM
Man, I wish Cindy Sheehan would just shut up and go home. That woman annoys me.

mangoes
11-08-2006, 07:18 PM
So what's happening in Virginia?? CNN is saying the vote difference is 6708, down from 8132 about 2 hours ago. Is this vote number due to absentee??

Man, I wish Cindy Sheehan would just shut up and go home. That woman annoys me.

What is she doing?