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LaTenista
11-08-2006, 01:14 AM
That's not a good idea. We have all the food in the Red states.

Where do you live? :wavey:

this is fun, guys :lol:

Except I feel as if the sides are just A TAD uneven :tape:

:hug: You're holding your own.

MN had better be in included in the North! :lol: (we're sometimes considered midwest)

I'm in Ohio and no one around here considers it the Midwest - we're Easterners.

Johnny Groove
11-08-2006, 01:14 AM
I cant stand Hilary and her anti-video game BS

We call her "Hilarity" :lol:

savesthedizzle
11-08-2006, 01:14 AM
Hilary is alright. But she's no Obama. :p

Sparko1030
11-08-2006, 01:15 AM
Where in MN are you? I'm just over the border in WI. I voted for Doyle as my one Democrat of this year.

:lol: I'm very close to the border too-about 45mn north of St. Paul, 15mi west of the St. Criox River. Where are you?

Scotso
11-08-2006, 01:15 AM
I would have voted for Lieberman. :shrug: I don't agree with him on all issues but Lamont is kind of scary with his "pull out now" talk and such. Plus Lieberman has served the Democratic Party for soooooo long.

And he's Jewish.

knight_ley
11-08-2006, 01:15 AM
Santorum losing is a huge win for the country though ;) :yeah: :aparty:

Scotso
11-08-2006, 01:15 AM
If Maryland goes Republican, you'll all be crying.

Won't happen. :p

mangoes
11-08-2006, 01:15 AM
Hilary is alright. But she's no Obama. :p

Are you hoping he runs for President??

Scotso
11-08-2006, 01:16 AM
Webb inching slightly closer.

aussie12
11-08-2006, 01:16 AM
as a non american, can i ask you what is with mid term elections, why do u have them and what do they decide.

uglyamerican
11-08-2006, 01:16 AM
:lol: I'm very close to the border too-about 45mn north of St. Paul, 15mi west of the St. Criox River. Where are you?

What town? I live in-between Menominee and Eau Claire. In a little town.

My dad is from North Branch!

Scotso
11-08-2006, 01:16 AM
Santorum losing is a huge win for the country though ;) :yeah: :aparty:

Definitely! :bounce:

uglyamerican
11-08-2006, 01:17 AM
as a non american, can i ask you what is with mid term elections, why do u have them and what do they decide.

Control of the legislative branch. Every 2 years all members of the lower house and 1/3 of the upper house is up for election.

NicoFan
11-08-2006, 01:17 AM
Hilary is alright. But she's no Obama. :p

Obama is great - but he doesn't have enough experience yet.

Let him serve as VP with Hill as President and then he can become President after her 8 years. :)

knight_ley
11-08-2006, 01:17 AM
Are you hoping he runs for President??

I know you didn't ask me but I am! If not in 2008 (that'll be too soon I think), I hope he definately does in 2012. :yeah:

Scotso
11-08-2006, 01:17 AM
Cardin won in Maryland :p

savesthedizzle
11-08-2006, 01:17 AM
Are you hoping he runs for President??

I think 2008 is too soon, but by 2012 there could be some new amazing Democrat everyone is in love with and he may have missed his chance. I'm torn.

But I love the thought of him as president some day :p

NicoFan
11-08-2006, 01:18 AM
Maryland went Democrat!!!! :yeah:

mangoes
11-08-2006, 01:18 AM
I would have voted for Lieberman. :shrug: I don't agree with him on all issues but Lamont is kind of scary with his "pull out now" talk and such. Plus Lieberman has served the Democratic Party for soooooo long.

And he's Jewish.

Lamont didn't really want to win........who goes on vacation after winning the primary:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Scotso
11-08-2006, 01:18 AM
Obama is great - but he doesn't have enough experience yet.

Let him serve as VP with Hill as President and then he can become President after her 8 years. :)

I agree, Obama would be crushed right now. Four years in the Senate isn't enough to be President.

Sparko1030
11-08-2006, 01:19 AM
What town? I live in-between Menominee and Eau Claire. In a little town.

My dad is from North Branch!


OMG!!! Bullseye!!! that's where I live!!!! :eek: This is too funny!!! :lol: :hug:

savesthedizzle
11-08-2006, 01:19 AM
Mike Ferguson is going to stay in office. GOD THAT BLOWS. :(

Pfloyd
11-08-2006, 01:19 AM
A tie in the senate looks quite possible (but Lieberman could break the tie for the republicans), actually....

Scotso
11-08-2006, 01:19 AM
Nancy Pelosi :D

ufokart
11-08-2006, 01:19 AM
Obama would be nice for president, but as most have said, not in 2008 :)

knight_ley
11-08-2006, 01:20 AM
I agree, Obama would be crushed right now. Four years in the Senate isn't enough to be President.

*nods* But some day... some day! I hope he's in there.

Scotso
11-08-2006, 01:20 AM
Mike Ferguson is going to stay in office. GOD THAT BLOWS. :(

:hug:

Johnny Groove
11-08-2006, 01:20 AM
gonna be a long night.....

Pfloyd
11-08-2006, 01:20 AM
Go Nancy!!!

savesthedizzle
11-08-2006, 01:20 AM
*nods* But some day... some day! I hope he's in there.

Exactly. VP in 2008 would be an absolutely lovely way to get some experience though ;)

knight_ley
11-08-2006, 01:20 AM
Mike Ferguson is going to stay in office. GOD THAT BLOWS. :(

is he related to craig ferguson?

LaTenista
11-08-2006, 01:20 AM
Isa you need to move!!! :lol:

Blaze - Hillary would be a good President! :yeah: We love her in NY - she does a great job.

Lieberman won - will he want revenge on the Democrats???? :eek:

Well if things would have worked out with Julio I would have moved. :shrug:

One thing I'm sure of, Hillary would do a better job than George Bush ;)

Exactly.

What town? I live in-between Menominee and Eau Claire. In a little town.

My dad is from North Branch!

My brother and sister-in-law live in Appleton but I've never been up there.

as a non american, can i ask you what is with mid term elections, why do u have them and what do they decide.

Governors of states

savesthedizzle
11-08-2006, 01:21 AM
:hug:

It's not called yet, but http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006//pages/results/states/NJ/H/07/county.000.html

it pains me to look.

NicoFan
11-08-2006, 01:21 AM
Nancy Pelosi :D


I like Nancy too! :yeah:

Hope she gets to be Speaker of the House.

El Legenda
11-08-2006, 01:21 AM
BARACK OBAMA for President :rocker: probabaly 2012. 2008 is too early for him.

his only problem will be that his name sounds like a name of a terrorist :lol:

LaTenista
11-08-2006, 01:21 AM
is he related to craig ferguson?

:lol: Craig is a Scot.

knight_ley
11-08-2006, 01:21 AM
Exactly. VP in 2008 would be an absolutely lovely way to get some experience though ;)

I completely agree with you. Plus, any President candidate I think he would be perfect to go under. His personality is like no one I've seen. Hell, even OPRAH loves him!!!!!! :lol:

Sparko1030
11-08-2006, 01:22 AM
Obama is great - but he doesn't have enough experience yet.

Let him serve as VP with Hill as President and then he can become President after her 8 years. :)


I love Hilary but at this point I think Obama may be more electable. And VPs sometimes have trouble converting to Ps.

knight_ley
11-08-2006, 01:22 AM
:lol: Craig is a Scot.

And my future husband :angel: ;)

Pfloyd
11-08-2006, 01:22 AM
aussie12

these elctions decide the congress, which is the goverment instutution that passes laws (along with the presiden)

The congress is divided in two houses: Senate (100 senators total, two for each state)

House of representatives (435 representatives, 1 representative per every 100,000 people in a state)

savesthedizzle
11-08-2006, 01:23 AM
is he related to craig ferguson?

If he were, that would make him cool.

Cool however rhymes with tool, and that describes Mike Ferguson far better.

aussie12
11-08-2006, 01:23 AM
so bush cant get voted out? can he lose some power if his guys get voted out?

Scotso
11-08-2006, 01:23 AM
OMG YES! ANNE NORTHUP LOST!!!!! :bounce:

Another anti-gay extremist out of Congress! :bounce:

El Legenda
11-08-2006, 01:24 AM
so bush cant get voted out? can he lose some power if his guys get voted out?

Bush has 2 years left and he is done FOREVER :bounce:

NicoFan
11-08-2006, 01:24 AM
I love Hilary but at this point I think Obama may be more electable. And VPs sometimes have trouble converting to Ps.


That's because they don't know Hillary - and incorrectly say that she's to the far left. She's got a lot of moderate beliefs.

uglyamerican
11-08-2006, 01:24 AM
OMG!!! Bullseye!!! that's where I live!!!! :eek: This is too funny!!! :lol: :hug:

I've still got relatives in the North Branch/Pine City/Forrest Lake region.

This is quite a coincidence.

savesthedizzle
11-08-2006, 01:24 AM
so bush cant get voted out? can he lose some power if his guys get voted out?

No, unfortunately we don't have a parliamentary system. Bush is in until 2008 regardless. Unless he's impeached. :angel:

knight_ley
11-08-2006, 01:25 AM
If he were, that would make him cool.

Cool however rhymes with tool, and that describes Mike Ferguson far better.

:haha: that is my fave quote ever :haha:
OMG YES! ANNE NORTHUP LOST!!!!! :bounce:

Another anti-gay extremist out of Congress! :bounce:

:woohoo:

Johnny Groove
11-08-2006, 01:25 AM
so bush cant get voted out? can he lose some power if his guys get voted out?

yes, if the congress switched power to the other party, he will have a hard time getting his policies getting passed

LaTenista
11-08-2006, 01:26 AM
OMG YES! ANNE NORTHUP LOST!!!!! :bounce:

Another anti-gay extremist out of Congress! :bounce:

Jean Schmidt ran a negative ad about Victoria Wulsin (her opponent) all about how Wulsin is a gay-marriage advocate. :o

uglyamerican
11-08-2006, 01:26 AM
so bush cant get voted out? can he lose some power if his guys get voted out?

No. That's the flaw in our system. The chief executive can't be thrown out between the every-four-year elections.

The strength of the system (over a parliamentary system) is that the President almost always has to have 45% of the vote or more. No coalition governments.

Scotso
11-08-2006, 01:27 AM
omg Webb suddenly went to over 20,000 votes behind :eek:

Pfloyd
11-08-2006, 01:27 AM
omg Webb suddenly went to over 20,000 votes behind :eek:

WTF!??!?

Scotso
11-08-2006, 01:27 AM
Chafee defeated. I'm actually a little sad about that... he's a good guy. He just picked the wrong party. :p

aussie12
11-08-2006, 01:28 AM
american politics is so confusing, i like the australian way, just vote every 4 years. Not to sure either about only allowing two terms of presidency, though its good in bushs case. Our prime minister is on his 4th term i think.

NicoFan
11-08-2006, 01:28 AM
No, unfortunately we don't have a parliamentary system. Bush is in until 2008 regardless. Unless he's impeached. :angel:

Wouldn't that be lovely... :lol:

It amazes me that Clinton was impeached for having an "affair" :lol: with another consenting adult, yet this moron is destroying our country and gets nada. :(

mangoes
11-08-2006, 01:29 AM
I know you didn't ask me but I am! If not in 2008 (that'll be too soon I think), I hope he definately does in 2012. :yeah:

I think 2008 is too soon, but by 2012 there could be some new amazing Democrat everyone is in love with and he may have missed his chance. I'm torn.

But I love the thought of him as president some day :p

I haven't made up my mind about Obama as yet. I think he will try and make a run in 08 with the encouragement of Oprah, but I don't think he is ready. I'd rather see Hillary as president.

knight_ley
11-08-2006, 01:29 AM
It amazes me that Clinton was impeached for having an "affair" :lol: with another consenting adult, yet this moron is destroying our country and gets nada. :(

:worship:

uglyamerican
11-08-2006, 01:30 AM
I haven't made up my mind about Obama as yet. I think he will try and make a run in 08 with the encouragement of Oprah, but I don't think he is ready.

Oprah. OMFG.

Scotso
11-08-2006, 01:30 AM
The FBI is investigating claims of intimidation against Democratic voters in Northern Virginia :tape:

The exit polls show Webb ahead... if he loses... ugh. I just don't trust Allen.

mangoes
11-08-2006, 01:30 AM
omg Webb suddenly went to over 20,000 votes behind :eek:

Shit. I can't believe Allen may actually win this.

Johnny Groove
11-08-2006, 01:31 AM
Did you see the new party (http://www.gothamist.com/archives/2005/10/26/rent_is_too_damn_high.php) on the NY ballot? RENT IS TOO DAMN HIGH. :haha: I was very tempted to vote for him. :devil:

:haha: :haha: HILARIOUS!!!

ufokart
11-08-2006, 01:31 AM
Chafee defeated. I'm actually a little sad about that... he's a good guy. He just picked the wrong party. :p

:lol:

Wouldn't that be lovely... :lol:

It amazes me that Clinton was impeached for having an "affair" :lol: with another consenting adult, yet this moron is destroying our country and gets nada. :(

Exactly :(

uglyamerican
11-08-2006, 01:31 AM
It amazes me that Clinton was impeached for having an "affair" :lol: with another consenting adult, yet this moron is destroying our country and gets nada. :(

There's nothing wrong with having a subordinate employee blow you, and then to lie about it under oath.

mangoes
11-08-2006, 01:31 AM
Wouldn't that be lovely... :lol:

It amazes me that Clinton was impeached for having an "affair" :lol: with another consenting adult, yet this moron is destroying our country and gets nada. :(

So true..........

NicoFan
11-08-2006, 01:31 AM
Did you see the new party (http://www.gothamist.com/archives/2005/10/26/rent_is_too_damn_high.php) on the NY ballot? RENT IS TOO DAMN HIGH. :haha: I was very tempted to vote for him. :devil:

Hillary Clinton is brilliant. She will win in a landslide again. :cool:

LOL. The Republicans and Independents actually voted Democrat Lieberman in.

Interesting factoid: Vermont is the only state in the country where the majority of voters are registered Independent. :dance:


:lol: Me too! I had to leave Manhattan because of the dam freaking rent. :mad: Now I'm suck in Queens (actually I love Queens now but its obviously not Manhattan. :lol: ).

VT is a very cool state. Its the only Socialist state in the Union. :yeah:

Scotso
11-08-2006, 01:31 AM
They're saying that Northern Virginia hasn't been counted as much, and those votes will likely go overwhelmingly for Webb.

savesthedizzle
11-08-2006, 01:32 AM
Anyone paying attention to Ford? He's at 48% right now with 27% in... still hope?

Pfloyd
11-08-2006, 01:32 AM
keepin' the faith

Scotso
11-08-2006, 01:32 AM
Shit. I can't believe Allen may actually win this.

He won't! I have faith in my people. :p

Scotso
11-08-2006, 01:32 AM
Ford probably already lost. He's way behind in exit polls.

Democrats picked up another Republican seat in the House! :D

Pfloyd
11-08-2006, 01:33 AM
yeah!!! whitehouse projected winner!! (rhode island)

savesthedizzle
11-08-2006, 01:33 AM
They're calling RI for us :) Chalk another one up for us in the Senate :)

NicoFan
11-08-2006, 01:33 AM
There's nothing wrong with having a subordinate employee blow you, and then to lie about it under oath.

Better than lying about WMD and allowing young men to lose their lives.

And yup, RI went Democrat. :yeah: I do feel sorry for Lincoln Chafee - he is a moderate.

savesthedizzle
11-08-2006, 01:35 AM
This thread is going to be a chat thread by tomorrow morning. :rolls:

uglyamerican
11-08-2006, 01:35 AM
Better than lying about WMD and allowing young men to lose their lives.


With an attitude like that we'd have never beaten the British.

ufokart
11-08-2006, 01:36 AM
Go Webb and Ford :rocker2:

Please win this :scared:

Scotso
11-08-2006, 01:36 AM
Better than lying about WMD and allowing young men to lose their lives.

And yup, RI went Democrat. :yeah: I do feel sorry for Lincoln Chafee - he is a moderate.

He would be a Democrat if his dad wasn't a Republican.

He's very liberal socially... voted against the gay marriage ban I believe.

savesthedizzle
11-08-2006, 01:36 AM
Stender at 48%... maybe we can still take down big bad Ferguson and gain another House seat. :armed: BRING IT MIKE. Don't let me scare you like I did on Sunday when your bus didn't stop at your own rally because there were too many scary Dems there.

aussie12
11-08-2006, 01:37 AM
Bush is all about war, Clinton was all about love. i know who i would rather be run by

Scotso
11-08-2006, 01:37 AM
George Allen (REP)* 899,338 50%
Jim Webb (DEM) 878,373 49%

80% in :scared:

uglyamerican
11-08-2006, 01:37 AM
Don't let me scare you like I did on Sunday when your bus didn't stop at your own rally because there were too many scary Dems there.


:lol:

mangoes
11-08-2006, 01:37 AM
Senate
Rep 44 Dem 43 Undecided 11

Pfloyd
11-08-2006, 01:38 AM
George Allen (REP)* 899,338 50%
Jim Webb (DEM) 878,373 49%

80% in :scared:

looks tough

uglyamerican
11-08-2006, 01:38 AM
Bush is all about war, Clinton was all about love. i know who i would rather be run by

Do nobody recall all of the wars Clinton involved himself in.

savesthedizzle
11-08-2006, 01:39 AM
Apparently VA is probably within recount range ...

NicoFan
11-08-2006, 01:39 AM
He would be a Democrat if his dad wasn't a Republican.

He's very liberal socially... voted against the gay marriage ban I believe.

Most Republicans in the Northeast are socially liberal. They'd never get in if they weren't.

But right now, we have to get rid of the republican control on the Hill. And some of the moderates are going to get swept out too.

Scotso
11-08-2006, 01:39 AM
They say Webb should be picking up a lot soon. :o

uglyamerican
11-08-2006, 01:40 AM
Senate
Rep 44 Dem 43 Undecided 11

Mississippi should be called, making it 45 to 45. The two independents will side with the Democrats.

mangoes
11-08-2006, 01:40 AM
They say Webb should be picking up a lot soon. :o

I hope so..........I've about given up on Ford.

Scotso
11-08-2006, 01:40 AM
Senate
Rep 44 Dem 43 Undecided 11

Two independents in there that will caucus with the Democrats. So really 45 Dems.

NicoFan
11-08-2006, 01:40 AM
They say Webb should be picking up a lot soon. :o

I can't take this I'm so nervous.

Its worst than following a Nico or Rafa match. :lol:

uglyamerican
11-08-2006, 01:41 AM
Apparently VA is probably within recount range ...

This will take forever.

uglyamerican
11-08-2006, 01:41 AM
I'm suprised that the polling was so accurate. I thought the pollsters would be having more trouble in the cell-phone era.

Pfloyd
11-08-2006, 01:41 AM
Two independents in there that will caucus with the Democrats. So really 45 Dems.

Don't be to sure with Lieberman, he may be democratic on some issues, but he's pro war.

Be careful with him.

nkhera1
11-08-2006, 01:42 AM
How do they call some of these races? For example for Maryland senate they called Cardin to win even though he is actually losing at the moment and only 5% of the precincts have reported?

uglyamerican
11-08-2006, 01:42 AM
I can't take this I'm so nervous.


Have a drink. I always do on election night. In 2004 I got so blitzed, it was embarassing.

savesthedizzle
11-08-2006, 01:42 AM
I can't take this I'm so nervous.

Its worst than following a Nico or Rafa match. :lol:

Or a Nole match! Considering half the Djokoforum is here, lol.. well all American members are anyway, lol.


This will take forever.

*nods*

El Legenda
11-08-2006, 01:42 AM
Talent made up 3% on McCaskill but not even close from being over.

aussie12
11-08-2006, 01:43 AM
america was alot more popular under clinton, anyway i hope hillary wins in 2008

El Legenda
11-08-2006, 01:43 AM
and is Vermont still a state? ;)

Scotso
11-08-2006, 01:44 AM
Allen up 27,000 votes :sobbing:

this is a nightmare!

savesthedizzle
11-08-2006, 01:44 AM
How do they call some of these races? For example for Maryland senate they called Cardin to win even though he is actually losing at the moment and only 5% of the precincts have reported?

Exit polls.

Have a drink. I always do on election night. In 2004 I got so blitzed, it was embarassing.

I was going to do shots for every seat we stole but I decided doing shots alone on a Tuesday night was kind of sad. So I am having a glass of wine to celebrate Menendez and will have several more before the night is out. Very good for my nerves compared to 2004 :p

nkhera1
11-08-2006, 01:44 AM
Talent made up 3% on McCaskill but not even close from being over.

Hopefully the stem cell bill doesn't backfire on the democrats. I heard its brought out a lot of conservative voters.

NicoFan
11-08-2006, 01:44 AM
Don't be to sure with Lieberman, he may be democratic on some issues, but he's pro war.

Be careful with him.

Economically he's very conservative - should be a Republican on those issues.

Socially he's liberal though.

And of course like you said, he's pro pro pro pro pro war.

I'm a little upset with Connecticut where I was born and raised - it was the wealthy republicans in the southern part of the state that got him in along with Dems that wanted to have a guy with a lot of power in the Senate.

uglyamerican
11-08-2006, 01:44 AM
How do they call some of these races? For example for Maryland senate they called Cardin to win even though he is actually losing at the moment and only 5% of the precincts have reported?

If all the polls are one-sided.

Or, they base the projections on what districts did in previous elections. If all the reporting districts show a swing of 10% to the Democrats (for example) they project what would happen if every district made a similar change.

savesthedizzle
11-08-2006, 01:45 AM
america was alot more popular under clinton, anyway i hope hillary wins in 2008

Bill as First Lady Gentleman. :drool:

mangoes
11-08-2006, 01:45 AM
So in Senate, we need to pick up 6 seats and so far, we have picked up 3. We need 3 more to take control.

tangerine_dream
11-08-2006, 01:45 AM
It amazes me that Clinton was impeached for having an "affair" :lol: with another consenting adult, yet this moron is destroying our country and gets nada. :(
It's bass ackwards isn't it? But I'm confident that the history books will show how unpopular the extreme partisian impeachment really was and therefore was not legit. I'm also quite positive that Bush will go down as being one of our worst Presidents ever. Possibly worse than Nixon. Check this article out. (http://www.rollingstone.com/news/profile/story/9961300/the_worst_president_in_history)

I haven't made up my mind about Obama as yet. I think he will try and make a run in 08 with the encouragement of Oprah, but I don't think he is ready. I'd rather see Hillary as president.
I agree. I don't get the Obama lovefest. He strikes me as a political shyster. :shrug: It's also disturbing how his name is one letter away from being a terrorist. :p

There's nothing wrong with having a subordinate employee blow you, and then to lie about it under oath.
Sex between consenting adults is wrong in your world? Gee, you make it sound like he's a perverted GOP pedophile who chases the cute page boys around the House floor and then claims he's not gay. :p

:lol: Me too! I had to leave Manhattan because of the dam freaking rent. :mad: Now I'm suck in Queens

Hee! Freudian slip. :)

VT is a very cool state. Its the only Socialist state in the Union. :yeah:
I liken Vermont to being the East Coast version of California: a state that marches to its own drummer that the rest of country finds weird and rather subversive. It's a beautiful state. :cool:

uglyamerican
11-08-2006, 01:45 AM
Exit polls.


No. They aren't doing that anymore. That's why there were such problems in Florida in 2000.

NicoFan
11-08-2006, 01:46 AM
Bill as First Lady Gentleman. :drool:

I would love it!

It would be like getting two Presidents at once. :lol:

Pfloyd
11-08-2006, 01:46 AM
Hey, ford's looking quite decent!!

mangoes
11-08-2006, 01:46 AM
Bill as First Lady Gentleman. :drool:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: That will be too funny to witness.........I'll be so happy.

savesthedizzle
11-08-2006, 01:47 AM
No. They aren't doing that anymore. That's why there were such problems in Florida in 2000.

Oh really? That's good then. :lol:

mangoes
11-08-2006, 01:47 AM
Hey, ford's looking quite decent!!

What are Ford's numbers??

Scotso
11-08-2006, 01:47 AM
So in Senate, we need to pick up 6 seats and so far, we have picked up 3. We need 3 more to take control.

Virginia, Missouri, Montana.

knight_ley
11-08-2006, 01:47 AM
Bill as First Lady Gentleman. :drool:

:hearts:

uglyamerican
11-08-2006, 01:47 AM
It's bass ackwards isn't it? But I'm confident that the history books will show how unpopular the extreme partisian impeachment really was and therefore was not legit. I'm also quite positive that Bush will go down as being one of our worst Presidents ever. Possibly worse than Nixon.


Carter was the worst president of the 20th Century.


And yes, sex between employers and employees is unethical.

savesthedizzle
11-08-2006, 01:48 AM
I would love it!

It would be like getting two Presidents at once. :lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: That will be too funny to witness.........I'll be so happy.

It's pretty much like a dream come true :) Especially if he's as involved of a first lady as she was. :p

ufokart
11-08-2006, 01:48 AM
Bill as First Lady Gentleman. :drool:


:haha: :haha:

uglyamerican
11-08-2006, 01:49 AM
Oh really? That's good then. :lol:


It's all about the swing.


If anyone gets the chance to watch election returns in a UK general election, it's a lot more entertaining.

NicoFan
11-08-2006, 01:49 AM
Sex between consenting adults is wrong in your world? Gee, you make it sound like he's a perverted GOP pedophile who chases the cute page boys around the House floor and then claims he's not gay. :p

Hee! Freudien slip. :)

I liken Vermont to being the East Coast version of California: a state that marches to its own drummer that the rest of country finds weird and rather subversive. It's a beautiful state. :cool:

:lol: on the first point and on Vermont. The rest of the country does find Vermont weird and different. And they are. I dated a guy up there so hung out there a lot...its definitely its own little planet.

And yes, definitely Freudien slip! :lol:

Scotso
11-08-2006, 01:49 AM
Clinton is killing Spencer. :yeah:

savesthedizzle
11-08-2006, 01:50 AM
Carter was the worst president of the 20th Century.

Agreed.

Bush is the worst of the 21st ;) (Shush, don't remind me that he's been the only one in the 21st so far.... I'm just saying, he can't even compete for worst of the 20th century) :p

NicoFan
11-08-2006, 01:50 AM
It's pretty much like a dream come true :) Especially if he's as involved of a first lady as she was. :p


Maybe they could finally get healthcare reform right this time. :lol:

NicoFan
11-08-2006, 01:51 AM
Shit - 30,579 Allen over Webb right now. :sad:

aussie12
11-08-2006, 01:51 AM
and at least clinton seemed to visit australia, bush has only been here for one day i think.

Scotso
11-08-2006, 01:51 AM
Webb more than 30,000 votes behind now. :o

savesthedizzle
11-08-2006, 01:52 AM
Maybe they could finally get healthcare reform right this time. :lol:

:lol: :yeah: :lol:

savesthedizzle
11-08-2006, 01:53 AM
MSNBC still has TN too close to call.... *prays*

Scotso
11-08-2006, 01:53 AM
Carter worst of 20th century? Puhleeze. Reagan was BY FAR the worst president EVER. :p

savesthedizzle
11-08-2006, 01:56 AM
Stender is pretty much done. Most of the votes left to count are from my county which is more Republican than the other parts of the district. :sad:

Pfloyd
11-08-2006, 01:56 AM
some 30,000 votes separate corker and ford, but only 39% of the votes have been turned in...

mangoes
11-08-2006, 01:56 AM
If the Democrats win tonight, I'm going to open a bottle of champaign :lol: :lol: :lol: But, I still don't feel confident as yet.

ufokart
11-08-2006, 01:57 AM
Stender is pretty much done. Most of the votes left to count are from my county which is more Republican than the other parts of the district. :sad:

Sorry to hear that :sad: :sobbing:

uglyamerican
11-08-2006, 01:57 AM
Agreed.


We agree again. Write this down.


Although Hoover was pretty terrible.

ufokart
11-08-2006, 01:58 AM
If the Democrats win tonight, I'm going to open a bottle of champaign :lol: :lol: :lol: But, I still don't feel confident as yet.

I will probably get drunk and miss work :lol:

savesthedizzle
11-08-2006, 01:58 AM
Sorry to hear that :sad: :sobbing:

She's been our best candidate against that jerk so far :sad: We have 2 years to get someone better together! She did better than the dude did in 2004. :lol: (The dude so unmemorable I cannot recall his name right now..)

uglyamerican
11-08-2006, 01:58 AM
Carter worst of 20th century? Puhleeze. Reagan was BY FAR the worst president EVER. :p

You Commie!

:p

RickDaStick
11-08-2006, 01:58 AM
Lets go Democrats!!!!!

Scotso
11-08-2006, 01:58 AM
Democrats are picking up more and more House seats! :D

savesthedizzle
11-08-2006, 01:59 AM
We agree again. Write this down.


Although Hoover was pretty terrible.

*takes notes*

These times are few, we must cherish them.

Johnny Groove
11-08-2006, 02:00 AM
:o :o :o :o :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Scotso
11-08-2006, 02:00 AM
:wavey: Santorum.

uglyamerican
11-08-2006, 02:01 AM
To those who think that the voters are stupid, they are doing a good job in the Foley district. It's a republican district, and you have to mark Foley's name to vote for his republican replacement. It would be quite shocking if the (R) won that seat.

Scotso
11-08-2006, 02:01 AM
Santorum is losing BADLY.

Scotso
11-08-2006, 02:02 AM
To those who think that the voters are stupid, they are doing a good job in the Foley district. It's a republican district, and you have to mark Foley's name to vote for his republican replacement. It would be quite shocking if the (R) won that seat.

Or maybe they are really stupid and just voting for whoever has an (R) by their name :shrug: :p

Scotso
11-08-2006, 02:02 AM
I think Webb may lose. :(

savesthedizzle
11-08-2006, 02:03 AM
I think Webb may lose. :(

:hug:

Pfloyd
11-08-2006, 02:03 AM
If Webb loses, senate's gonna be tough...

mangoes
11-08-2006, 02:05 AM
Allen is leading by about 25,000....... I don't know how this man is winning. I marked this as a win for Dems.

Johnny Groove
11-08-2006, 02:05 AM
Weve still got the Mtns states and west coast. Did California finish yet?

uglyamerican
11-08-2006, 02:05 AM
I better pace my drinking. This is going to be going on all night.

NicoFan
11-08-2006, 02:06 AM
Carter worst of 20th century? Puhleeze. Reagan was BY FAR the worst president EVER. :p

Yup - and he's the one that started all this extremist right wing crap.

mangoes
11-08-2006, 02:06 AM
I don't think the Democrats are going to gain control of Senate.

Pfloyd
11-08-2006, 02:07 AM
I don't think the Democrats are going to gain control of Senate.

It looks tough, but not impossible, remember, 1 independant is democratic for sure...

uglyamerican
11-08-2006, 02:07 AM
Weve still got the Mtns states and west coast. Did California finish yet?

No. Cali and Washington will go Dem. Nevada will go Rep. That leaves Arizona, Montana, Missouri, Tennessee, and Virginia. Best 3 of 5 sets wins.

savesthedizzle
11-08-2006, 02:07 AM
Yup - and he's the one that started all this extremist right wing crap.

True. Reagan is a very fair choice. He is the reason there are no real liberals anymore :(

I don't think the Democrats are going to gain control of Senate.


Me neither :(

aussie12
11-08-2006, 02:07 AM
i would love to be an american president, only need to fix a few things and america would be great.

NicoFan
11-08-2006, 02:07 AM
No way we can get the Senate??? :sad:

Shit....

Scotso
11-08-2006, 02:08 AM
If Webb loses, the Senate is lost.

uglyamerican
11-08-2006, 02:08 AM
Yup - and he's the one that started all this extremist right wing crap.

Conservatism started in the '60s. The cliches about the '60s are not very infomative. Many people became more conservative in the '60s.

savesthedizzle
11-08-2006, 02:08 AM
No way we can get the Senate??? :sad:

Shit....

Well... it's kind of unlikely :( But still possible!

NicoFan
11-08-2006, 02:09 AM
No. Cali and Washington will go Dem. Nevada will go Rep. That leaves Arizona, Montana, Missouri, Tennessee, and Virginia. Best 3 of 5 sets wins.

Well Arizona and Tennessee will be Republican.

That leaves Montana, Missouri and Virginia.

And Virginia appears to be going Republican.

:bigcry:

uglyamerican
11-08-2006, 02:09 AM
i would love to be an american president, only need to fix a few things and america would be great.

That's nice of you to say. Most people would change more than a few things.

Johnny Groove
11-08-2006, 02:09 AM
No. Cali and Washington will go Dem. Nevada will go Rep. That leaves Arizona, Montana, Missouri, Tennessee, and Virginia. Best 3 of 5 sets wins.

Arizona- Toss-up
Montana- No doubt Republican
Missouri- Tossup
Tennessee- Prolly Rep.
Virginia- From what i hear, Allen is winning by alot, but the largely democratic northern virginia has yet to be counted.

So, we'll see

Pfloyd
11-08-2006, 02:10 AM
tennessee is not for sure YET

ufokart
11-08-2006, 02:11 AM
I also believe they are not taking the senate :sobbing:

Scotso
11-08-2006, 02:12 AM
And Virginia appears to be going Republican.

:bigcry:

:sobbing:

Johnny Groove
11-08-2006, 02:12 AM
Rick Santorum's son is crying :awww:

Pfloyd
11-08-2006, 02:12 AM
But whatever, overall, it was a good night for democrats..

uglyamerican
11-08-2006, 02:13 AM
Montana- No doubt Republican


I'm not so sure. Montana would never vote for a Dem for President, but local Democrats are quite conservative. Particularly on land-use issues.

Republicans sometimes win in the NE, but they are not the same kind of Republicans you get elsewhere.

NicoFan
11-08-2006, 02:14 AM
How stupid can the American people be?

How bad can a government be and not lose???? This is a government that can't do one thing right.

And now they are saying that it probably came down to the gay marriage issue again.

I really do want to move to Canada.

I'm disgusted.

:mad:

mangoes
11-08-2006, 02:14 AM
Well... it's kind of unlikely :( But still possible!

The possibility is extremely slim. I feel so down. It's nights like this I debate going to live in another country........I am so sick and tired of this republican agenda. I don't know how most Americans can find Gay Marriage and Abortion the most important reasons to vote.

savesthedizzle
11-08-2006, 02:14 AM
Rick Santorum's son is crying :awww:

All his kids were crying. :shrug:

tangerine_dream
11-08-2006, 02:14 AM
I'm also quite positive that Bush will go down as being one of our worst Presidents ever. Possibly worse than Nixon. Check this article out. (http://www.rollingstone.com/news/profile/story/9961300/the_worst_president_in_history)
More proof of Bush's impending political Scarlet Letter. Too bad Nixon isn't still alive to watch the man finally dethrone him as the most disastrous President ever. :)

http://hnn.us/articles/5019.html

Historians vs. George W. Bush

Yet it seems clear that a similar survey taken during the presidency of Bush’s father would not have yielded results nearly as condemnatory. And, for all the distaste liberal historians had for Ronald Reagan, relatively few would have rated his administration as worse than that of Richard Nixon. Yet today 57 percent of all the historians who participated in the survey (and 70 percent of those who see the Bush presidency as a failure) either name someone prior to Nixon or say that Bush’s presidency is the worst ever, meaning that they rate it as worse than the two presidencies in the past half century that liberals have most loved to hate, those of Nixon and Reagan. One who made the comparison with Nixon explicit wrote, "Indeed, Bush puts Nixon into a more favorable light. He has trashed the image and reputation of the United States throughout the world; he has offended many of our previously close allies; he has burdened future generations with incredible debt; he has created an unnecessary war to further his domestic political objectives; he has suborned the civil rights of our citizens; he has destroyed previous environmental efforts by government in favor of his coterie of exploiters; he has surrounded himself with a cabal ideological adventurers . . . ."

Pfloyd
11-08-2006, 02:14 AM
Hey, we're ****** them in the House, and we gained many seats in the senate, this is a good thing.

Scotso
11-08-2006, 02:14 AM
Arizona- Toss-up
Montana- No doubt Republican
Missouri- Tossup
Tennessee- Prolly Rep.
Virginia- From what i hear, Allen is winning by alot, but the largely democratic northern virginia has yet to be counted.

So, we'll see

Montana is a toss up, but likely Dem.

Arizona is 100% guaranteed Republican :p

uglyamerican
11-08-2006, 02:15 AM
But whatever, overall, it was a good night for democrats..

I challenge that idea. Mid-term elections almost always go against the President for about 30 house seats and 6 Senates seats. If Dems can only accomplish the average (with events as they are) they shouldn't get too excited.

Plus, we'll get lots of petty in-fighting, not much change in policy.

Scotso
11-08-2006, 02:16 AM
I'm not so sure. Montana would never vote for a Dem for President, but local Democrats are quite conservative. Particularly on land-use issues.

Republicans sometimes win in the NE, but they are not the same kind of Republicans you get elsewhere.

Tester is really liberal, though. But Burns is such a friggin' moron that he might even struggle against a Communist. :p

aussie12
11-08-2006, 02:16 AM
well australia has many similarities to america. i think everyone really has a soft spot for america even i they dont admit it, after all they gave us many things eg. coke, tv, computers, cars. i think many people want to see america become better. first thing to change would definetley be the gun laws.

Pfloyd
11-08-2006, 02:17 AM
All right people I'll be back in a while, gonna give my roomate the comp for a few minutes...

uglyamerican
11-08-2006, 02:17 AM
Rick Santorum's son is crying :awww:

Santorum is a bit cooky.

savesthedizzle
11-08-2006, 02:17 AM
How stupid can the American people be?

How bad can a government be and not lose???? This is a government that can't do one thing right.

And now they are saying that it probably came down to the gay marriage issue again.

I really do want to move to Canada.

I'm disgusted.

:mad:

The possibility is extremely slim. I feel so down. It's nights like this I debate going to live in another country........I am so sick and tired of this republican agenda.


I understand :sad: I would have left by now if I had figured out a way to get where I want to go. :(

Scotso
11-08-2006, 02:17 AM
I challenge that idea. Mid-term elections almost always go against the President for about 30 house seats and 6 Senates seats. If Dems can only accomplish the average (with events as they are) they shouldn't get too excited.

Plus, we'll get lots of petty in-fighting, not much change in policy.

I think not having Republicans in control of every branch of government is something to be excited about.

LaTenista
11-08-2006, 02:18 AM
Hill looks like he's going to win in Indiana. :)

NicoFan
11-08-2006, 02:18 AM
The possibility is extremely slim. I feel so down. It's nights like this I debate going to live in another country........I am so sick and tired of this republican agenda. I don't know how most Americans can find Gay Marriage and Abortion the most important reasons to vote.


Especially when young American men are getting killed. It just pisses me off. I'm embarrassed for this country.

uglyamerican
11-08-2006, 02:19 AM
well australia has many similarities to america. i think everyone really has a soft spot for america even i they dont admit it, after all they gave us many things eg. coke, tv, computers, cars. i think many people want to see america become better. first thing to change would definetley be the gun laws.

We like Australia. We also love France, but won't admit it.

Johnny Groove
11-08-2006, 02:19 AM
:hug: you guys :awww:

nkhera1
11-08-2006, 02:19 AM
Webb is running out of votes...

aussie12
11-08-2006, 02:20 AM
australia loves new zealand but no way in hell will we admit it

NicoFan
11-08-2006, 02:20 AM
I understand :sad: I would have left by now if I had figured out a way to get where I want to go. :(

I've seriously been trying to figure it out too. A nice journalist assignment in Europe. Or teaching ESL in Europe...especially Spain.

uglyamerican
11-08-2006, 02:21 AM
How stupid can the American people be?

How bad can a government be and not lose???? This is a government that can't do one thing right.

And now they are saying that it probably came down to the gay marriage issue again.

I really do want to move to Canada.

I'm disgusted.

:mad:

:wavey: bye. Most people don't care for the recent subversion of values that our country has held since it's inception.

Our country was built by religious extremists who left Britian so they could burn witches. :o

savesthedizzle
11-08-2006, 02:21 AM
Webb is running out of votes...

The parts yet to count are half of Arlington and other Democratic strongholds, then they are within the margin for a recount possibly.

VA is long from over.

tangerine_dream
11-08-2006, 02:21 AM
Pfft. I can't believe how close the Foley race is. Florida is such a vile corrupt state. Can't we saw it off and give it away to Cuba or something? :o

Sparko1030
11-08-2006, 02:22 AM
Originally Posted by tangerine_dream
I'm also quite positive that Bush will go down as being one of our worst Presidents ever. Possibly worse than Nixon. Check this article out.

Actually, I would say Nixon was , aside from that wiretapping thing, a much better pres than Bush-at least he was competant :lol: I think to find a compareably incompetant, buddy appointing pres (remeber Brownie anyone???) you'd have to go back to Harding who I think before Bush was considered the worst....;)

LaTenista
11-08-2006, 02:22 AM
We like Australia. We also love France, but won't admit it.

I've never been to Oz and well I love England not France. :shrug:

:hug: you guys :awww:

:kiss:

I'm so excited, Issue 5 is going to pass I believe. No more :smoke: in restaurants and bars in Ohio. :woohoo:

Scotso
11-08-2006, 02:22 AM
Basically only very liberal areas are left to be counted in Virginia.

uglyamerican
11-08-2006, 02:23 AM
Pfft. I can't believe how close the Foley race is. Florida is such a vile corrupt state. Can't we saw it off and give it away to Cuba or something? :o

Watch it. Sounds like you're saying, "go back where you came from."

I'm sure you didn't mean it that way. But it could be taken that way.

NicoFan
11-08-2006, 02:23 AM
Pfft. I can't believe how close the Foley race is. Florida is such a vile corrupt state. Can't we saw it off and give it away to Cuba or something? :o

It is The Most Corrupt State. Amazing.

mangoes
11-08-2006, 02:23 AM
I understand :sad: I would have left by now if I had figured out a way to get where I want to go. :(

It's easier to make a move from the US to Canada. I have figured out how to make the move, I'm just not brave enough to "just do it"

ufokart
11-08-2006, 02:23 AM
Missouri doesn't look good at all :sad:

nkhera1
11-08-2006, 02:24 AM
Pfft. I can't believe how close the Foley race is. Florida is such a vile corrupt state. Can't we saw it off and give it away to Cuba or something? :o

That place has been a republican stronghold for years. If it wasn't for Foley that would have been an easy win.

Scotso
11-08-2006, 02:24 AM
The parts yet to count are half of Arlington and other Democratic strongholds, then they are within the margin for a recount possibly.

VA is long from over.

Yes, and the half of Arlington that has been counted:

Jim Webb (DEM) 23,173 71%
George Allen (REP)* 8,957 28%


So we still have a chance.

LaTenista
11-08-2006, 02:25 AM
I've seriously been trying to figure it out too. A nice journalist assignment in Europe. Or teaching ESL in Europe...especially Spain.

Hey Lynn, are you teaching now?

savesthedizzle
11-08-2006, 02:25 AM
It's easier to make a move from the US to Canada. I have figured out how to may the move, I'm just not brave enough to "just do it"

My problem is that I don't want to go to Canada. :lol: :( But it may be my only choice.

Johnny Groove
11-08-2006, 02:25 AM
Pfft. I can't believe how close the Foley race is. Florida is such a vile corrupt state. Can't we saw it off and give it away to Cuba or something? :o

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

It is The Most Corrupt State. Amazing.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

mangoes
11-08-2006, 02:26 AM
Basically only very liberal areas are left to be counted in Virginia.

So there is still a chance??

savesthedizzle
11-08-2006, 02:27 AM
I've seriously been trying to figure it out too. A nice journalist assignment in Europe. Or teaching ESL in Europe...especially Spain.

I'd utlize my journalism degree if it gave me a ticket out, even if I'd be miserable. Europe is my destination.. ideally the UK, but anywhere would work for me. *sigh* It's so hard though.

Scotso
11-08-2006, 02:28 AM
Shea-Porter was supposedly 10 points behind, but with 81% in it's 50-50 :o

aussie12
11-08-2006, 02:28 AM
why not move to australia, like america without the bullshit. and our government is always looking for skilled migrants.

NicoFan
11-08-2006, 02:28 AM
Hey Lynn, are you teaching now?


Long story - I'll pm you this week on it. :lol: Plus I want to know how your job search is going (I hope well!).

Scotso
11-08-2006, 02:28 AM
So there is still a chance??

Yes, but don't get your hopes up. :(

ufokart
11-08-2006, 02:29 AM
The amendment banning same-sex marriage is winning in every state.

uglyamerican
11-08-2006, 02:29 AM
My problem is that I don't want to go to Canada. :lol: :( But it may be my only choice.

Democrats are such drama queens.

The Federal government doesn't have that much control over your life. I like politics as a sport, as much as I view it as an ideological struggle.

mangoes
11-08-2006, 02:29 AM
My problem is that I don't want to go to Canada. :lol: :( But it may be my only choice.

I like Canada:lol: :lol: Especially Toronto and its outskirts.

savesthedizzle
11-08-2006, 02:29 AM
why not move to australia, like america without the bullshit. and our government is always looking for skilled migrants.

Hmmm Australia works for me. :lol:

NicoFan
11-08-2006, 02:30 AM
Don't roll your eyes at me Blaze! :haha:

It is a corrupt state. Hey NYC politics is known for its back room deals...but at least we admit it. ;)

BTW - love Carl Hiassen's book on Florida. Especially the ex-governor who walks off the job because the state government is so corrupt and then lives in ever shrinking everglades.

uglyamerican
11-08-2006, 02:31 AM
The amendment banning same-sex marriage is winning in every state.

It always has, and it always will.

Info for foreigners:
Many view the gay-marriage issue as a battle against too much power in the judiciary. Not all people who vote against such measures are bigots.

LaTenista
11-08-2006, 02:31 AM
why not move to australia, like america without the bullshit. and our government is always looking for skilled migrants.

Really?

Long story - I'll pm you this week on it. :lol: Plus I want to know how your job search is going (I hope well!).

It's still going - I'm collecting unemployment so it's not that bad really.

savesthedizzle
11-08-2006, 02:31 AM
Democrats are such drama queens.

The Federal government doesn't have that much control over your life. I like politics as a sport, as much as I view it as an ideological struggle.

It's the ideological struggle I don't enjoy. I'd rather raise my unborn children in a country whose ideologies I actually agree with.

NicoFan
11-08-2006, 02:32 AM
Australia doesn't work for me - too isolated. I like Europe. Canada wouldn't be bad - Toronto or especially Vancouver.

Sparko1030
11-08-2006, 02:32 AM
Here in the fine state of Minnesota, it looks like the sitting republ gov (Pawlenty) may go down! I actually think he's a nice guy (he's been to the funeral of every MN soldier who has died in the wars) but just I just don't agree with him on any of the issues! :lol:

Johnny Groove
11-08-2006, 02:32 AM
Don't roll your eyes at me Blaze! :haha:

It is a corrupt state. Hey NYC politics is known for its back room deals...but at least we admit it. ;)

BTW - love Carl Hiassen's book on Florida. Especially the ex-governor who walks off the job because the state government is so corrupt and then lives in ever shrinking everglades.

:rolleyes: :kiss: :rolleyes: :kiss: :rolleyes: :kiss: :rolleyes: :kiss: :rolleyes: :kiss: :rolleyes: :kiss: :rolleyes: :kiss: :rolleyes: :kiss:

I love Florida :ras:

savesthedizzle
11-08-2006, 02:33 AM
It always has, and it always will.

Info for foreigners:
Many view the gay-marriage issue as a battle against too much power in the judiciary. Not all people who vote against such measures are bigots.

I don't think many of the people who vote for it really put that much thought into it. :o Not all of them are bigots but most of them are.

Scotso
11-08-2006, 02:33 AM
The amendment banning same-sex marriage is winning in every state.

:sad:

NicoFan
11-08-2006, 02:33 AM
Well at least we'll have the House. And that means we can make those assholes lives miserable by holding everything up.

alelysafina
11-08-2006, 02:34 AM
Info for foreigners:
Many view the gay-marriage issue as a battle against too much power in the judiciary. Not all people who vote against such measures are bigots.

Really? Then why?

btw: I'm not a foreigner.

NicoFan
11-08-2006, 02:34 AM
:rolleyes: :kiss: :rolleyes: :kiss: :rolleyes: :kiss: :rolleyes: :kiss: :rolleyes: :kiss: :rolleyes: :kiss: :rolleyes: :kiss: :rolleyes: :kiss:

I love Florida :ras:


I love Florida too! Especially Miami...I'm a latina wannabee. :lol:

savesthedizzle
11-08-2006, 02:34 AM
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006/pages/results/states/NJ/H/07/

It's official Ferguson (R) def Stender (D).

I am going to go drown my sorrows in more wine. I wish I had vodka. There is a stockpile of mercury in my town. At his debate he CLAIMED HE HAD MOVED IT. He's like "Yeah and I worked on getting that mercury out." Um.. it's still here. And Nevada hasn't accepted the transfer, and probably won't. So he takes credit for things he hasn't done. UGH.

ufokart
11-08-2006, 02:34 AM
All of you should come to Argentina if you are a lefty like me :lol:

Scotso
11-08-2006, 02:35 AM
It always has, and it always will.

Info for foreigners:
Many view the gay-marriage issue as a battle against too much power in the judiciary. Not all people who vote against such measures are bigots.

It won't always. Years from now a large majority of people will look back at this anti-gay agenda with complete disgust. Much like most people look back now at the anti-black agenda with disgust.

mangoes
11-08-2006, 02:35 AM
why not move to australia, like america without the bullshit. and our government is always looking for skilled migrants.

I don't want to cross hemispheres..........too far from my NYC base :lol: :lol: :lol:

knight_ley
11-08-2006, 02:35 AM
Hmmm Australia works for me. :lol:

:hearts: Australia :hearts:

I'm coming with you Jess!!!!!!!

uglyamerican
11-08-2006, 02:35 AM
I don't think many of the people who vote for it really put that much thought into it. :o Not all of them are bigots but most of them are.

I don't agree. You're being too simplistic. If a private business wants to give benefits to domestic partners, that's fine. People shouldn't have to pay for benifits for government employee's live-in lovers.

aussie12
11-08-2006, 02:36 AM
australia is isloated but you really dont need countires around you unless you go on a holiday. plus we are close to south east asia and the pacific island so we are not really isolated.

savesthedizzle
11-08-2006, 02:36 AM
All of you should come to Argentina if you are a lefty like me :lol:

:lol: It's looking better and better :p

Johnny Groove
11-08-2006, 02:36 AM
I love Florida too! Especially Miami...I'm a latina wannabee. :lol:

Miami is the best city in the entire world :hearts: :hearts:

NicoFan
11-08-2006, 02:36 AM
All of you should come to Argentina if you are a lefty like me :lol:

That's another option! :lol: Chile would be nice too (though I think Chileans are more conservative).

I can teach English....I'm sure there are a few people in Buenos Aires or Santiago who want to learn English.

mangoes
11-08-2006, 02:37 AM
Hillary is giving her speech with Bill standing behind her :lol: :lol:

LaTenista
11-08-2006, 02:37 AM
The amendment banning same-sex marriage is winning in every state.

Wasn't on the ballot in Ohio. :angel:

I don't think many of the people who vote for it really put that much thought into it. :o Not all of them are bigots but most of them are.

I agree. I think what a lot of them don't understand is that a lot of major companies and organizations already provide same-sex partner benefits.

Sparko1030
11-08-2006, 02:38 AM
I don't think many of the people who vote for it really put that much thought into it. :o Not all of them are bigots but most of them are.

I'm convinced homophobes think they'll wake up some morning after a night at the local bar with a person of the same gender next to them and a smile on their face :p I mean, seeing that Haggard get caught was a great "feel good" moment for me. :devil:

uglyamerican
11-08-2006, 02:38 AM
It won't always. Years from now a large majority of people will look back at this anti-gay agenda with complete disgust. Much like most people look back now at the anti-black agenda with disgust.

That's quite possible.

It's also possilbe that we might enter a Puritanistic era in which freedom is repressed. Western Europe has already started repressing freedom of speech, so it's totally possible.

ufokart
11-08-2006, 02:39 AM
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006/pages/results/states/NJ/H/07/

It's official Ferguson (R) def Stender (D).

I am going to go drown my sorrows in more wine. I wish I had vodka. There is a stockpile of mercury in my town. At his debate he CLAIMED HE HAD MOVED IT. He's like "Yeah and I worked on getting that mercury out." Um.. it's still here. And Nevada hasn't accepted the transfer, and probably won't. So he takes credit for things he hasn't done. UGH.

:hug: I'm sorry :sad:

Get drunk, but don't forget to send the TT picks :p

alelysafina
11-08-2006, 02:40 AM
I like living in California :D

If we could become our own country, that would be too awesome! We have the fifth largest economy in the world, I'm sure we could manage being on our own.

aussie12
11-08-2006, 02:40 AM
realistically, if you can only speak english you have limited places to go. canada, UK, australia, new zealand and south africa

savesthedizzle
11-08-2006, 02:41 AM
It won't always. Years from now a large majority of people will look back at this anti-gay agenda with complete disgust. Much like most people look back now at the anti-black agenda with disgust.

I don't agree. You're being too simplistic. If a private business wants to give benefits to domestic partners, that's fine. People shouldn't have to pay for benifits for government employee's live-in lovers.


Oh? How many heterosexual marriages end in divorce nowadays? 1/2? 1/3? So its okay for people to pay for benefits for government employee's hetero live in lovers, just not gay ones. That's not hypocritical at all.

If two gay people are willing to commit themselves to eachother, why do they not deserve the same as a hetero couple. Are the less of a person? Less of a citizen?

Scotso
11-08-2006, 02:42 AM
If a private business wants to give benefits to domestic partners, that's fine. People shouldn't have to pay for benifits for government employee's live-in lovers.

This is really stupid, sorry, but it is. The NEW law here (in the new Constitution) now states that even if private business wanted to give benefits to domestic partners, they may not do so. Only to married couples.

Hospitals can't let gay people visit their partners. Gay parents cannot share custody of their children.

And why shouldn't people pay for homosexual employee's live in lovers if they do it for straight people?

Gay people don't want extra rights, they want equal rights. This really has nothing to do with straight people, and it is insulting that they get to vote on weather or not we have rights. Should people vote before every child is born to make sure the majority approves? Should people vote before you make a post to make sure we approve of what you're going to say?

It's ridiculous for you to state that... to make this about money. It's not about money, it's about rights. And for the goverment to make it illegal for people to be able to care for their loved ones... I see nothing moral about that.

Sparko1030
11-08-2006, 02:42 AM
:woohoo: Amy Kolbuchar is giving her acceptance speech!!!! She really kicked that sorry Kennedy -not of the MASS Kennedys :lol: out of Wahington!!!( she was expected to win though)

uglyamerican
11-08-2006, 02:43 AM
I'm convinced homophobes think they'll wake up some morning after a night at the local bar with a person of the same gender next to them and a smile on their face :p I mean, seeing that Haggard get caught was a great "feel good" moment for me. :devil:


NOOO.

I'm a conservative Christian and I've never heard of that Haggard.

Liberals usually make predjudiced statements against Christians, so I shouldn't be suprised.