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If you could choose one retired player to play on the tour now, who would you choose?

Deathless Mortal
11-07-2006, 03:11 PM
I think I would choose Rod Laver, it would be interesting to see the match between Fed and Rod.:cool:

Loremaster
11-07-2006, 03:15 PM
Pete Sampras

Byrd
11-07-2006, 03:17 PM
Borg or Sampras

Julio1974
11-07-2006, 03:28 PM
Edberg

*Viva Chile*
11-07-2006, 03:29 PM
Marcelo Rios ;)

Sommarsverige
11-07-2006, 03:33 PM
I would like to choose many, but if I can only choose one, then this is a simple question and it would be Magnus Norman for sure ;)

FerrersLinda
11-07-2006, 03:36 PM
Borg or Vilas. Can't choose, sorry.

Katastrophe
11-07-2006, 03:38 PM
I'm assuming this means top/peak form. I'd pick Becker. My first instinct is to go with Sampras, but I give the edge to Becker because I miss the heat and drama he brought to the game...:)

Angle Queen
11-07-2006, 03:43 PM
Who else? The Mac! But is he officially retired? :haha:

Deathless Mortal
11-07-2006, 03:48 PM
Who else? The Mac! But is he officially retired? :haha:

He's still playing doubles. :haha:

Katastrophe
11-07-2006, 03:55 PM
Who else? The Mac! But is he officially retired? :haha:

I don't think he will ever allow himself to quit. He'll be a really old man using a cane or a walker, out there arguing with linespeople...although by then it'll be through false teeth of course. :p

ChinoRios4Ever
11-07-2006, 04:21 PM
R1OS!!!!!!!! :worship: :worship:

Sampras and Agassi too

*Ljubica*
11-07-2006, 04:37 PM
Thomas Muster or Guillermo Vilas - can't decide between them.

PoderShileno
11-07-2006, 04:45 PM
R10s

mandy18
11-07-2006, 04:54 PM
Agassi

Jimnik
11-07-2006, 05:09 PM
Out of curiosity, I would love to see Pete Sampras match-up against today's players. The quality of returning and passing has improved so much since the 90s.

Dancing Hero
11-07-2006, 05:16 PM
Peak Johnny Mac. Just pips Borg/Connors.

Björki
11-07-2006, 08:11 PM
Stefan Edberg

Guybrush
11-07-2006, 09:07 PM
Goran! :worship: :worship: :worship:

~*BGT*~
11-07-2006, 09:12 PM
Becker

goodwoman
11-07-2006, 09:12 PM
Patrick Rafter. He retired too early, and he is missed.

NyGeL
11-07-2006, 09:20 PM
Guillermo Vilas.

safinalium
11-07-2006, 09:37 PM
Borg.

MisterQ
11-07-2006, 09:51 PM
McEnroe

Agassi :sad:

And Willie Renshaw, for kicks :lol:

cobalt60
11-07-2006, 10:06 PM
If all things were equal I would like more than one: Rod Laver,Borg and Vilas

dorkino
11-07-2006, 10:26 PM
:lol:I am greedy, so in this order

1-Becker:with all his energy,and potential.He'll add lots of excitement to the game. And i don't know why exactly it came to my mind but imagine (A Becker vs Ljubicic match) :devil:

2- My retired fav. player Edberg...Want to see who 'd be more decent on court: Fed vs. Edberg.:angel:

3- Muster on clay courts vs Nadal :cool: I missed the guy a lot.

4- Mansour Bahrami : i just love his magical backhand.

Oh but to summarize all in one...It's Borg.

Macbrother
11-07-2006, 10:31 PM
Borg for sure. Second mention to Pete Sampras, McEnroe

NicoFan
11-07-2006, 10:35 PM
Definitely Borg - didn't have to think about that for more than 1 second.

He had the game and the charisma.

Other than Borg - Johnny Mac and Connors followed by Becker, Lendl, Edberg, Agassi.

Jlee
11-07-2006, 10:48 PM
Definitely Borg. Second only to Borg would be Sampras, just because Federer/Sampras match ups would be AMAZING. Johnny Mac would just be fun to watch :lol:

zicofirol
11-07-2006, 11:09 PM
Jiri Novak....

missbungle
11-07-2006, 11:34 PM
Edberg

Action Jackson
11-08-2006, 01:47 AM
Tomas Hogstedt

Abizack
11-08-2006, 01:55 AM
I would like to see Rafter play again. I think he could do OK, not as good as he use to, but I think he could still hang tough.

JW10S
11-08-2006, 03:44 AM
Pancho Gonzalez

General Suburbia
11-08-2006, 04:14 AM
If you mean retired players that could play as if they were in their prime, Sampras. So we can finally silence these "Fed vs Sampras" debates.

ExpectedWinner
11-08-2006, 04:30 AM
Nobody. They all had their time under the sun. Time to move on.

TennisGrandSlam
11-08-2006, 04:38 AM
Becker + Lendl + Edberg


The Golden time of ATP :devil:

guga2120
11-08-2006, 05:08 AM
Agassi of course.

Gustavo is not retired yet???

Blue Heart24
11-08-2006, 05:34 AM
Ivanisevic

Alexiana
11-08-2006, 06:23 AM
SAMPRAS with no doubt:D :D

~EMiLiTA~
11-08-2006, 06:24 AM
goran :rocker2:

LeChuck
10-10-2007, 06:24 PM
Muster

GlennMirnyi
10-10-2007, 06:28 PM
Sampras, the GOAT.

Caio_Brasil
10-10-2007, 06:28 PM
as for cheering, Meligeni :)

then, Sampras... i didn't have the pleasure of seeing him playing :(

Tommy fan
10-10-2007, 06:33 PM
Andre Agassi

superhoops
10-10-2007, 06:35 PM
Timmy :)

krakenzero
10-10-2007, 06:36 PM
Kuerten & Muster to play Nadal.
Sampras & Lendl to defy Federer.
and, of course, Rios & Chang to make this game more interesting...

Rafa = Fed Killa
10-10-2007, 06:55 PM
Sampras, the GOAT.

Wrong Again.

BORG

tufani
10-10-2007, 07:01 PM
Andre for sure...

Dimonator133
10-10-2007, 07:01 PM
Henman or Kenneth Carlsen

Bobby
10-10-2007, 07:05 PM
Horst Skoff.

Alex999
10-10-2007, 09:37 PM
Borg for sure.

Joyce_23
10-10-2007, 10:31 PM
Sampras, no doubt.

Burrow
10-10-2007, 10:36 PM
Henman

wally1
10-10-2007, 10:41 PM
Edberg. The best volleyer I've seen, a style of play we could do with seeing more of.

seljanin
10-10-2007, 10:51 PM
1) Sampras - no comments here, and if I have to pick one, he is the ultimate choice

2) J. McEnroe, Edberg, Becker, Henman - serve&volley masters :yeah:

3) Muster; even though I don't like clay tennis, I'd like to see his match-up with Nadal

myrt
10-11-2007, 01:17 AM
The one...the only....the almost forgotten...Panch Gonzales. One of the most naturally gifted players ever.

cmurray
10-11-2007, 01:36 AM
Gosh, there are so many.

Andre because I just miss him terribly and tennis isn't the same for me without him.

McEnroe because he played with such cleverness and style.

Borg because he enthralls me to this day. There is a...mystique about him. The way he moved, the way he struck the ball. I love it all and I'd give anything to see him at top form.

mangoes
10-11-2007, 01:41 AM
I'm torn......

Agassi because I miss him and like him.

Guga because he'd give Mr. Piggy some competition:lol: :lol: :lol:

cmurray
10-11-2007, 01:47 AM
I'm torn......

Agassi because I miss him and like him.

Guga because he'd give Mr. Piggy some competition:lol: :lol: :lol:

I still think Rafa would take Guga. :angel: I'm just sayin'...

Alonsofz
10-11-2007, 01:47 AM
CH1NO R1OS... :worship:

Voo de Mar
10-11-2007, 01:53 AM
It's tough to say. Maybe Alexander Volkov because he was playing like a player from a different planet ;)

mangoes
10-11-2007, 01:54 AM
I still think Rafa would take Guga. :angel: I'm just sayin'...

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: I actually think that would be an interesting match up. I'm not so sure who would win. Guga does have that gorgeous BH to give Nadal a tough time.

cmurray
10-11-2007, 02:00 AM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: I actually think that would be an interesting match up. I'm not so sure who would win. Guga does have that gorgeous BH to give Nadal a tough time.

An interesting matchup, to be sure. I still have to give the edge to Rafa. Incidentally, I loved Guga too - but I still think Rafa would win a majority of the encounters. I loved that backhand of Guga's though. :hearts:

Action Jackson
10-11-2007, 02:04 AM
An interesting matchup, to be sure. I still have to give the edge to Rafa. Incidentally, I loved Guga too - but I still think Rafa would win a majority of the encounters. I loved that backhand of Guga's though. :hearts:

Dreamer.

cmurray
10-11-2007, 02:10 AM
Dreamer.

:lol: You poor disillusioned man. :hug:

Action Jackson
10-11-2007, 02:13 AM
:lol: You poor disillusioned man. :hug:

You know very little about match ups I see. So why would Nadal win most of the matches then?

GonzoFed
10-11-2007, 02:21 AM
Jeff Tarango.

TMJordan
10-11-2007, 02:23 AM
Karsten Braasch

cmurray
10-11-2007, 02:23 AM
You know very little about match ups I see. So why would Nadal win most of the matches then?

Better movement, better margin for error on the forehand side, slightly better defense.

Guga had a better backhand and a better serve (which wouldn't help him all that much on clay). I'm not saying that Guga's backhand wouldn't trouble Nadal's lefty forehand - it would. But I still think Nadal would pull it off.

Action Jackson
10-11-2007, 02:28 AM
Better movement, better margin for error on the forehand side, slightly better defense.

Guga had a better backhand and a better serve (which wouldn't help him all that much on clay). I'm not saying that Guga's backhand wouldn't trouble Nadal's lefty forehand - it would. But I still think Nadal would pull it off.

Guga wasn't a flat hitter and heavy topspin never bothered him and yes there was heavy topspin hit before Nadal played the game.

Actually a good serve helps anywhere and Guga used it to open up the court, but your Nadal glasses prevents you from seeing this and yes that helps on clay.

Nadal's strengths aren't the ones that pose Kuerten's style of game the most problems. At best these would be 50-50 matches.

Corey Feldman
10-11-2007, 02:35 AM
Nico Escude for me

cmurray
10-11-2007, 02:40 AM
Guga wasn't a flat hitter and heavy topspin never bothered him and yes there was heavy topspin hit before Nadal played the game.

Actually a good serve helps anywhere and Guga used it to open up the court, but your Nadal glasses prevents you from seeing this and yes that helps on clay.

Nadal's strengths aren't the ones that pose Kuerten's style of game the most problems. At best these would be 50-50 matches.

Guga had a good serve, not a great one and I don't think that alone would make much difference to the outcome on clay. It doesn't win matches for Federer, whose serve is MUCH better than Guga's was.

I'm well aware that Nadal didn't invent heavy topspin. I'm not one of the neophyte fans on here - I've been watching for more than 20 years. But in all that time, I've never seen anyone use it so effectively. I get what you're saying - the high kick off the forehand side probably wouldn't have given Guga fits the way it does, say, Federer. Stipulated. But there is still the movement, which is clearly a check in Nadal's favor.

My point is that the only things Guga did better on clay than Rafa is serve and that glorious backhand of his. And even with Raf feeding his forehand into that backhand, I still don't think it is enough to have Guga win more than 25% of the encounters.

Action Jackson
10-11-2007, 02:45 AM
Horst Skoff.

:worship:

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g239/GeorgeWH/223.jpg

Merton
10-11-2007, 02:46 AM
Guga for me, even though he has not officially retired. On paper, peak Guga would be a bad matchup for Nadal but I doubt he would dominate him since he had more ups and downs. A pity that they did not compete at the same time, on clay this could turn to be similar to Lendl-Wilander in the 80s.

Action Jackson
10-11-2007, 03:02 AM
Guga had a good serve, not a great one and I don't think that alone would make much difference to the outcome on clay. It doesn't win matches for Federer, whose serve is MUCH better than Guga's was.

It depends on how it's used and what Guga can't attack Nadal's serve.

I'm well aware that Nadal didn't invent heavy topspin. I'm not one of the neophyte fans on here - I've been watching for more than 20 years. But in all that time, I've never seen anyone use it so effectively. I get what you're saying - the high kick off the forehand side probably wouldn't have given Guga fits the way it does, say, Federer. Stipulated. But there is still the movement, which is clearly a check in Nadal's favor.

You sound like one of these fans.

It has been used effectively and don't forget string technology has evolved that has helped Nadal in this case. This is not saying Nadal is ineffectual at what he does, far from it.

How would the movement bother Guga? You make it sound like Nadal has the greatest anticipation of all the time, is the quickest player and no one has ever hit a winner against him. Yes, he is a great mover, but it's not a running race.

My point is that the only things Guga did better on clay than Rafa is serve and that glorious backhand of his. And even with Raf feeding his forehand into that backhand, I still don't think it is enough to have Guga win more than 25% of the encounters.

Guga hits a great backhand down the line one of the necessary shots to beat Nadal or has that been lost on you as well. The topspin wouldn't bother him, he can hit winners off the heavy topspin and use the angles on the forehand.

I am not even a Guga fan, but saying he'd win only 25% at best is laughable.
If it was Bruguera, then yes I'd say that, because of the match up issue, but not Guga.

Action Jackson
10-11-2007, 03:03 AM
Guga for me, even though he has not officially retired. On paper, peak Guga would be a bad matchup for Nadal but I doubt he would dominate him since he had more ups and downs. A pity that they did not compete at the same time, on clay this could turn to be similar to Lendl-Wilander in the 80s.

That's true, it's not like it would be 9-1 or 8-2 to Guga if they played 10 matches on clay.

GonzoFed
10-11-2007, 03:18 AM
Horsti now = Nalby in 2027

ChinoRios4Ever
10-11-2007, 03:19 AM
Chino R1OS, no doubt :yeah:

Action Jackson
10-11-2007, 03:22 AM
Horsti has more chins than a Chinese phone book.

cmurray
10-11-2007, 03:34 AM
It depends on how it's used and what Guga can't attack Nadal's serve.



You sound like one of these fans.

It has been used effectively and don't forget string technology has evolved that has helped Nadal in this case. This is not saying Nadal is ineffectual at what he does, far from it.

How would the movement bother Guga? You make it sound like Nadal has the greatest anticipation of all the time, is the quickest player and no one has ever hit a winner against him. Yes, he is a great mover, but it's not a running race.



Guga hits a great backhand down the line one of the necessary shots to beat Nadal or has that been lost on you as well. The topspin wouldn't bother him, he can hit winners off the heavy topspin and use the angles on the forehand.

I am not even a Guga fan, but saying he'd win only 25% at best is laughable.
If it was Bruguera, then yes I'd say that, because of the match up issue, but not Guga.

You know what I love about you, George? You can take a simple hypothetical discussion and turn it into a litany of insults. :hatoff:. I'm not an idiot and I fully understand the importance of matchup. And I still think Nadal would take Guga a majority of the time.

Yes, players have hit winners against Rafa - but it isn't a very easy prospect. Maybe the fact that you don't like Rafa blinds you a bit??? Winners that are winners against other people AREN'T against Nadal. And when it boils down to it, Guga's game had a tendency to...drift away from him. You do that against Nadal on clay and you're done. Am I saying Guga wouldn't EVER beat Nadal? No. But I think the majority would go to Rafa.

Action Jackson
10-11-2007, 03:52 AM
You know what I love about you, George? You can take a simple hypothetical discussion and turn it into a litany of insults. :hatoff:. I'm not an idiot and I fully understand the importance of matchup. And I still think Nadal would take Guga a majority of the time.

Yes, players have hit winners against Rafa - but it isn't a very easy prospect. Maybe the fact that you don't like Rafa blinds you a bit??? Winners that are winners against other people AREN'T against Nadal. And when it boils down to it, Guga's game had a tendency to...drift away from him. You do that against Nadal on clay and you're done. Am I saying Guga wouldn't EVER beat Nadal? No. But I think the majority would go to Rafa.

Actually I dislike the majority of Nadal fans more than I do Nadal. There is a clear difference there, which you might get eventually.

Nadal plays a claycourt game that was effective in the 90s and adapted it to the modern era and this is impressive.

Clean winners are clean winners and yes they have been hit against Nadal, so it's not easy, but it happens. Do you think Guga never played players who were fast and had great anticipation or something?

How do you understand the match up? Honestly, because from what you have posted, you haven't grasped it.

drf716
10-11-2007, 04:54 AM
yevgeny kafelnikov!

Kolya
10-11-2007, 05:03 AM
The great Swedish generation of the 1980's.

Bruguera, Muster, Berasategui and Medvedev.

Anyone I like really.

bad gambler
10-11-2007, 05:20 AM
Pat Cash

yonexforever
10-11-2007, 05:34 AM
I surpised only one person has gone beyond Borg...I thought for sure folks would be "digging up" people like Tilden, Hoad, Newcombe, Kramer to see how they would match up against the current crop.
Is it a lack of tennis history or am i revealin too much of my age?

leng jai
10-11-2007, 07:52 AM
Rafter.

Carlita
10-11-2007, 09:26 AM
Edberg and /or Rafter

cmurray
10-11-2007, 11:25 AM
Actually I dislike the majority of Nadal fans more than I do Nadal. There is a clear difference there, which you might get eventually.

Nadal plays a claycourt game that was effective in the 90s and adapted it to the modern era and this is impressive.

Clean winners are clean winners and yes they have been hit against Nadal, so it's not easy, but it happens. Do you think Guga never played players who were fast and had great anticipation or something?

How do you understand the match up? Honestly, because from what you have posted, you haven't grasped it.

I understand why you think Guga would be a bad matchup for Rafa. And I'm telling you I disagree. That doesn't mean I haven't grasped the concept of matchups - it only means that you are foolish enough to think that everyone else should agree with your hypothetical assessment of two players who will NEVER play each other in their prime. Your problem, not mine.

You can blather on all you want about how little I know about tennis and toss insults at me one after the other. Fine. Take you best shot. But all the insults in the world aren't going to change the fact that all of these assertions are simple opinion.

Oh. And to answer your question? No. I don't think Guga EVER played anyone on clay of Rafa's caliber. Ever.

LeChuck
10-11-2007, 12:56 PM
I agree with those of you who think that Guga would be bad match-up for Nadal. If at their peaks they had played 10 matches on clay against each other, I imagine that the head to head would be something like 5-5 or 6-4 in Guga's favour.

Jimnik
10-11-2007, 01:00 PM
I don't know. I personally don't see anyone achieving a positive h2h against Nadal on clay.

MariaV
10-11-2007, 01:02 PM
Björn Borg

Marc23
10-11-2007, 01:53 PM
Thomas Muster?

BlakeorHenman
10-11-2007, 03:04 PM
I miss Rafter, and of course Henman.

FerrersLinda
10-11-2007, 03:11 PM
Goran and/or Bjorn

lorenz
10-11-2007, 03:38 PM
Coria ;)

RagingLamb
10-11-2007, 03:39 PM
no one.

I wouldn't want to see past greats being humiliated by the superior athletes and technology of today.

Renaud
10-11-2007, 03:50 PM
Safin