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The Magic Seven: What Will They acheive?

stebs
11-05-2006, 12:15 AM
We had a thread a few years ago which has recently been bumped about the so called, 'new balls'. What about the new, new balls:

Rafael Nadal ESP - 3rd of June, 1986
Richard Gasquet FRA - 18th of June 1986
Marcos Baghdatis CYP - 17th of June 1985
Andy Murray GBR - 15th of May 1987
Gael Monfils FRA - 1st of September 1986
Tomas Berdych CZE - 17th of September 1985
Novak Djokovic SRB - 22nd of May 1987

So, let's have some predicitions :) I'd like to think that at the end of each year people can bump this as well and see how accurate they are. Will the players become legends? One slam wonders? Disappear into the abyss of mediocrity? Hard to say right now but let's try anyway. :)

Peoples
11-05-2006, 12:27 AM
Gasquet is the main guy with the potential to be a huge success, judging by his technique.

JMG
11-05-2006, 12:36 AM
Monfils is the worst of them by far.

Nathaliia
11-05-2006, 12:44 AM
They are the old balls stebs, and the magic seven from the children should be:

JMDP/Korolev/Cilic/Gulbis/de Bakker/Mannarino (I'm biased but I have the faith in this child ;) )/Young :tape:

;) As for the mentioned by you, I am waiting for some achievements of the Frenchies, and somebody please gives the fighting spirit to Berdie. Baghdatis might be a second Nalbanidan.

richie21
11-05-2006, 12:49 AM
Monfils is the worst of them by far.

i agree

Whistleway
11-05-2006, 12:50 AM
Whats up with May, Sep and June?

neenah
11-05-2006, 12:55 AM
I don't what to say anything and look like a total idiot later :lol: I probably don't know enough to accuratly predict anyway.

revolution
11-05-2006, 01:01 AM
Depends when Roger retires or starts to lose the magic touch.

Could see Gasquet taking one slam and Murray if he can get physically stronger plus his forehand needs to get bigger so he can put FH shots away instead of extending the points.

Monfils will struggle to match the rest.

Gulbis to win a slam hopefully :D

Ernham
11-05-2006, 01:24 AM
"Rafael Nadal ESP - 3rd of June, 1986"

Quite a bit on the clay, little to nothing on the hard courts. Probably at least another 2 and perhaps up to 4-5 more GS at RG and numerous other titles on clay.

"Richard Gasquet FRA - 18th of June 1986"

Reminds me a lot of several other talented players, like Haas and Federer. His results will have a lot to do both with his mental strnegth/work ethic and luck. I predict he will win perhaps 2 slams, several years down the line, when federer is slowing down thanks to father time.

"Marcos Baghdatis CYP - 17th of June 1985"

Next to nothing. An occassional title here and there and an occassional good showing at a GS. He has talent but lacks everything else required of a champion.

"Andy Murray GBR - 15th of May 1987"

He will probably stay in the top 5-10 range for most of his career, perhaps breaking into the top 3 once or twice, maybe eek out a GS at one point. He seems to have a good work ethic but lacks in many other aspects.

"Gael Monfils FRA - 1st of September 1986"

This idiot will be lucky to win a title off the clay before he kills himself in some stupid way, earning himself a darwin award.


"Tomas Berdych CZE - 17th of September 1985"

Perhaps win a GS or two in the federer era, perhaps a couple more after if he can ever pull his mental game together. Immensely talented and genetically gifted, he could dominate the tennis scene.

"Novak Djokovic SRB - 22nd of May 1987"

Abstain. Haven't seen/heard enough of him yet to have an opinion.

Jimnik
11-05-2006, 02:23 AM
Hewitt, Federer, Ferrero, Roddick and Safin had all won Grand Slams and reached #1 before the other thread was created.

None of these 7 players have come close (except Nadal). Most of them won't win a single slam.

Johnny Groove
11-05-2006, 05:21 AM
"Gael Monfils FRA - 1st of September 1986"

This idiot will be lucky to win a title off the clay before he kills himself in some stupid way, earning himself a darwin award.

Is that really necessary? :o

Ernham
11-05-2006, 05:37 AM
Is that really necessary? :o

Weren't you the one that posted the video of him running around jumping for absolutely no reason and nearly broke his ankle?

Safin_Lova
11-05-2006, 05:42 AM
"Rafael Nadal ESP - 3rd of June, 1986"

Quite a bit on the clay, little to nothing on the hard courts. Probably at least another 2 and perhaps up to 4-5 more GS at RG and numerous other titles on clay.

"Richard Gasquet FRA - 18th of June 1986"

Reminds me a lot of several other talented players, like Haas and Federer. His results will have a lot to do both with his mental strnegth/work ethic and luck. I predict he will win perhaps 2 slams, several years down the line, when federer is slowing down thanks to father time.

"Marcos Baghdatis CYP - 17th of June 1985"

Next to nothing. An occassional title here and there and an occassional good showing at a GS. He has talent but lacks everything else required of a champion.

"Andy Murray GBR - 15th of May 1987"

He will probably stay in the top 5-10 range for most of his career, perhaps breaking into the top 3 once or twice, maybe eek out a GS at one point. He seems to have a good work ethic but lacks in many other aspects.

"Gael Monfils FRA - 1st of September 1986"

This idiot will be lucky to win a title off the clay before he kills himself in some stupid way, earning himself a darwin award.


"Tomas Berdych CZE - 17th of September 1985"

Perhaps win a GS or two in the federer era, perhaps a couple more after if he can ever pull his mental game together. Immensely talented and genetically gifted, he could dominate the tennis scene.

"Novak Djokovic SRB - 22nd of May 1987"

Abstain. Haven't seen/heard enough of him yet to have an opinion.


Lets see if all you predictions will come true. As for Baghdatis, he is better than what you think. Did you even watch his US open match against agassi this year I think you should, then we will see if you can still say he doesnt have what it takes to be a champion. As for all the others I wouldnt be too quik to speak. I remeber a time when everyone thought Safin, hewit and ferrero would dominate, and yet the opposite happened, someone else came.

Ernham
11-05-2006, 06:16 AM
I wouldnt be too quik to speak.

The thread asked for predictions. I suppose I could have just berated someone else that actually posted on the topic instead of making my own predictions. That would have been kind of rude, though.:wavey:

Safin_Lova
11-05-2006, 06:25 AM
The thread asked for predictions. I suppose I could have just berated someone else that actually posted on the topic instead of making my own predictions. That would have been kind of rude, though.:wavey:

Sorry I didnt mean to sound rude, quite the opposite actually, I was just voicing my opinion especially about Marcos which, I am a big fan of. As for my predictions, I think nadal, gasquet, berdych and marcos have the most potential. :)

Ernham
11-05-2006, 06:34 AM
Sorry I didnt mean to sound rude, quite the opposite actually, I was just voicing my opinion especially about Marcos which, I am a big fan of. As for my predictions, I think nadal, gasquet, berdych and marcos have the most potential. :)

Well, then that makes sense why you really only question what I said about Marcos. Marcos has some problems, not the normal ones either -- if only he could be so lucky, and it's not those extra 10-15 pounds he could do without. He has a sort of "I don't give a shit" attitude about a lot of things and at his age that's just not normal for a sports star. Personality is almost entirely unchangable over ones lifetime, and so I suspect you'll see "more of the same" from Marcos every year. which for a fan will seem to be a constant underperformance. He's probably completely satisfied with his tennis career already.

Safin_Lova
11-05-2006, 09:02 AM
Well, then that makes sense why you really only question what I said about Marcos. Marcos has some problems, not the normal ones either -- if only he could be so lucky, and it's not those extra 10-15 pounds he could do without. He has a sort of "I don't give a shit" attitude about a lot of things and at his age that's just not normal for a sports star. Personality is almost entirely unchangable over ones lifetime, and so I suspect you'll see "more of the same" from Marcos every year. which for a fan will seem to be a constant underperformance. He's probably completely satisfied with his tennis career already.


Okay I understand where you are coming from. As for what you said about the others I totally agreed. Just what you said about marcos just stood out abit more. Its okay you can have that opinion, everyone has a right to beleive what they think is correct. But I really dont beleive that baghdatis does not care. Even with cramps and two sets to love down against agassi at the us open this year, he didnt stop fighting, and came back. To me, he doesnt seem like a player who doesnt care. But dont get me wrong, you have a right to your opinion, thats what forums are about. :)

jazar
11-05-2006, 09:17 AM
Nadal needs to keep injury free if he's gonne keep on doing well, but federer is gonna figure him out for sure either if they play at the TMC or next year. then its gonna be hard for nadal to win more slams, he'll probably only win the french again, no others.
although many people say gasquet has the best single handed backhand, a lot of coaches think he is pretty poor technically. i can see him winning a slam but not until he gets consistent from week to week.
baghdatis is someone who is very inconsistent week to week. nobody expected him to do well at the Australian Open and Wimbledon, so he had no pressure on him. when there has been more pressure he hasnt done as well. he isnt a choker but he needs to play more tournaments and get consistency.
murray has no big shot thats gonna get him loads of points. he is just happy to stay back and defend. he likes playing against attacking players, but when he comes up against another player who likes to counter attack (like hrbaty the other day) he struggles. he won't be ablt to beat nadal and his win againts federer in canada was luck, cos like almost all the commentators around the world, except the britsher ones said, federer was not at his best.
monfils thinks he is much better than he is. i watched him play at the US open and he just gets cocky. he tried to show off by hitting kinda a trick shot volley when the ball was going out and missed it. he is the worst of the players and will never win a grand slam.
berdych often looks like he is playing at about 50%, he needs to be more attacking cos he has a big game and people struggle against him.
djokovic is a bit like murray. he is consistent from the back, but doesnt have a big weapon and people can exploit that, like paul-henri mathieu did the other day.

juan martin del potro is gonna be a wicked player. donald young is overrated and needs to get in gym to bulk up if he's gonna compete.

Blue Heart24
11-05-2006, 09:25 AM
I like Berdych and Baghdatis.They will achive something big,and others are shit :lol:

buzz
11-05-2006, 09:34 AM
Well, then that makes sense why you really only question what I said about Marcos. Marcos has some problems, not the normal ones either -- if only he could be so lucky, and it's not those extra 10-15 pounds he could do without. He has a sort of "I don't give a shit" attitude about a lot of things and at his age that's just not normal for a sports star. Personality is almost entirely unchangable over ones lifetime, and so I suspect you'll see "more of the same" from Marcos every year. which for a fan will seem to be a constant underperformance. He's probably completely satisfied with his tennis career already.

I think a Tennis personality is deffinitly changeble, See Agassi and federer. And I think Marcos does fight like a lion that is why he did good at the AO in those hot conditions and 5 sets matches. And he seems to be very fit because he runs like the fastest on the tour

A_Skywalker
11-05-2006, 09:53 AM
Gasquet is the main guy with the potential to be a huge success, judging by his technique. But I think he will not win a GS , you cant win it only with a potential .

I think Berdych , Nadal , Murray , Baghdattis will all win a GSs, and Nadal will win Australian Open for sure someday , and may be USO

buzz
11-05-2006, 09:53 AM
Well this is all very hard but:

I expect a few to a lot of GS from berdych at US and Wim. How much depends on the length of Federers reign and of course the next generation of youngsters.

Nadal will probably win another 2 to 5 (No US open among them)

Murray 1 or 2 GS Getting a few injuries along the way.

And I do think there is a chance Monfills somehow finds a way (maybe a very good coach)to use his super speed and power to win RG.

Baghdatis maybe a sort of Henman like career but then reaching far every year at the AO and a lot of pressure there. Betters the results of henman but stops earlier.

Gasquet no I just don't think so don't know why...

Djokovice: its to early to say something about him for me.

It al very much depends on what federer is going to do. How long will he keep winning 2 or more a year. And the new younger guys they will face when federer doesn't win the majority of slams anymore .

Grenouille
11-05-2006, 10:20 AM
Rafael Nadal ESP - 3rd of June, 1986
He has already achieved so much:) He'll no.1 for sure and can win all slams:worship: I think he'll win Gold Olympic Medal in 2008, several FO and AO.

Richard Gasquet FRA - 18th of June 1986
He'll win Wimbledon for sure and be in top 3.

Marcos Baghdatis CYP - 17th of June 1985
He will win few Masters Series but no slam and won't crack into top 5.

Andy Murray GBR - 15th of May 1987
I don't see him having a great carreer. He's talented but with his game he cannot hope beating all the great players in one week. He'll struggle winning tournaments.

Gael Monfils FRA - 1st of September 1986
He won't be even a top 10 player.

Tomas Berdych CZE - 17th of September 1985
Hard to say. But I doubt he'll win slams.

Novak Djokovic SRB - 22nd of May 1987
With Gasquet, in my opinion, the best player. He'll win several slams too.

Mora
11-05-2006, 10:42 AM
Nadal will win THE Grand Slam - and much more. He will be number 1. He has more will, confidence, and determination than anyone else in the game - and he has the will to continue to change his game.

Berdych and Gasquet have the most pure ability/technique, but Berdych needs to become more consistent and less petty, and Gasquet needs to get a little stronger both mentally and physically. Both are capable of winning a lot.

Baghdatis cares a lot and is very talented - he plays better when he's enjoying himself, so has to find a way to have keep having fun while he focuses. Adjusting to all the attention this year has been distracting to him. When he balances these things, he will win a lot. (When I saw him Jan 05, I thought he would be in top 10 this year.)

Monfils probably needs to try NOT to have quite as much fun, and calm down just a little more. He still acts like a kid, but he has grown a lot in the past year. He can be fun to watch - I hope he does well.

I think Murray will settle into more confidence and be around for a pretty long run, winning steadily.

Djokovic is very dangerous in terms of ability. I want to see him a little more to get a sense of his mental strength.

That tennis kid
11-05-2006, 10:54 AM
It depends hugely on Federer. To be honest I don't think any of these players, apart from Nadal, have the game to win consistently against Federer in the big tournaments.

Auscon
11-10-2006, 01:07 PM
I think Nadal will easily prove the best of the bunch....he'll crack Wimbledon one day....once Roger has grinded to a halt

I think the next best could be Baghdatis....he's got a big game, and has already put on a show in a number of big matches. If he stays fit and picks up his consistency, I can't see him not taking a couple

One thing with Baghdatis though......I think if he were to let his training regime slip for any small period of time, he could very quickly become a fatty like Nalbo

Puschkin
11-10-2006, 01:31 PM
I don't what to say anything and look like a total idiot later :lol:

That is what makes predictions fun, you can be right you can be wrong...

Rafael Nadal: I don't see the number 2 player losing his position soon, even if he never might be able to repeat his magnificent year of 2005.

Richard Gasquet: Without injuries a top ten player in 2007, and a GS title in 2008 at the latest, though probably not Roland Garros.

Marcos Baghdatis: Top 20 in 2007, but no real breakthrough

Andy Murray: That's the toughest to predict, either he will be really good (top 3) in two years from now, including some GS titles or never better than he is now.

Gael Monfils: I don't like his style, but a one time wonder ( though not necessarily at a slam, but at a masters) is possible, otherwise not top 10 in 2007

Tomas Berdych: definitely top ten in 2007 and not excluded that he will surprise at a big occasion.

Novak Djokovic: I don't like his game, but certainly a lot of potential, I just refrain from predictions as I have no clue how serious and permanent his health problems are.

Besides, an injury-free J. Johansson will also be top 10 in 2007.

Gulliver
11-10-2006, 01:44 PM
If one predicts where this lot will be at the end of 2007, it's probably going to be one or two being in the top 10 and the rest hovering between 11 and 20.

Federer/Nadal in the top 2 spots. Which of the others will supplant Davydenko, Ljubicic, Roddick, Robredo, Nalbandian, Blake, Ancic and Gonzalez, making the not unrealistic assumption that none of these will overtake the top 2.

Doing consistently well at most GS and TMS, or better than last year, is key.

IMO Berdych is the one most likely as he appears to be rapidly acquiring the experience and game necessary on all surfaces. The other one I would pick is Djokovic who has put together some good results on all surfaces.

Baghdatis and Monfils will fade in the big ones, Murray and Gasquet will have spasmodic brilliance which might get them to top 10 during the year, but not enough to get them to Shanghai.

But I'm probably going to be totally wrong :(

QuitYerWhining
09-19-2013, 12:27 AM
Rafael Nadal ESP - 3rd of June, 1986
He has already achieved so much:) He'll no.1 for sure and can win all slams:worship: I think he'll win Gold Olympic Medal in 2008, several FO and AO.
:D

Richard Gasquet FRA - 18th of June 1986
He'll win Wimbledon for sure and be in top 3.
:o

Marcos Baghdatis CYP - 17th of June 1985
He will win few Masters Series but no slam and won't crack into top 5.
Never even won a 500 event, but his peak ranking was #8.

Andy Murray GBR - 15th of May 1987
I don't see him having a great carreer. He's talented but with his game he cannot hope beating all the great players in one week. He'll struggle winning tournaments.
:o

Gael Monfils FRA - 1st of September 1986
He won't be even a top 10 player.
:) Almost on the button.

Tomas Berdych CZE - 17th of September 1985
Hard to say. But I doubt he'll win slams.

:D

Novak Djokovic SRB - 22nd of May 1987
With Gasquet, in my opinion, the best player. He'll win several slams too.

:D


Nice predictions actually.

rocketassist
09-19-2013, 12:32 AM
I think Nadal will easily prove the best of the bunch....he'll crack Wimbledon one day....once Roger has grinded to a halt

I think the next best could be Baghdatis....he's got a big game, and has already put on a show in a number of big matches. If he stays fit and picks up his consistency, I can't see him not taking a couple

One thing with Baghdatis though......I think if he were to let his training regime slip for any small period of time, he could very quickly become a fatty like Nalbo

Word.

finishingmove
09-19-2013, 12:47 AM
LOL

some spooky predictions here

didn't expect this from MTF

miura88
09-19-2013, 12:50 AM
Berdych is quite the underachiever.

Ash86
09-19-2013, 01:08 AM
Nadal needs to keep injury free if he's gonne keep on doing well, but federer is gonna figure him out for sure either if they play at the TMC or next year. then its gonna be hard for nadal to win more slams, he'll probably only win the french again, no others.

Ah, such hope back in 2006! :p

BauerAlmeida
09-19-2013, 01:27 AM
Baghdatis might be a second Nalbanidan.

Very spot on.

Rafael Nadal ESP - 3rd of June, 1986
He has already achieved so much:) He'll no.1 for sure and can win all slams:worship: I think he'll win Gold Olympic Medal in 2008, several FO and AO.

Richard Gasquet FRA - 18th of June 1986
He'll win Wimbledon for sure and be in top 3.

Marcos Baghdatis CYP - 17th of June 1985
He will win few Masters Series but no slam and won't crack into top 5.

Andy Murray GBR - 15th of May 1987
I don't see him having a great carreer. He's talented but with his game he cannot hope beating all the great players in one week. He'll struggle winning tournaments.

Gael Monfils FRA - 1st of September 1986
He won't be even a top 10 player.

Tomas Berdych CZE - 17th of September 1985
Hard to say. But I doubt he'll win slams.

Novak Djokovic SRB - 22nd of May 1987
With Gasquet, in my opinion, the best player. He'll win several slams too.

This one was pretty good, would've been pretty much perfect had he switched Murray with Gasquet.

Alex999
09-19-2013, 01:39 AM
funny bump. Stebs is one of the smartest guys on MTF, too bad I haven't seen him posting for a long time. He is a great analyst, always objective, super knowledgeable.

It's also too bad that some of guys who posted here back in 2006 are not posting any more. Many of them actually were pretty good at predicting where and how most of players Stebs mentioned were going to end up.

I joined MTF in 2007 but I've been following the board since 2005. I thought at the time that Gasquet would do much better than Djokovic and Murray and I was so wrong.

I expected Djokovic and Murray to do much better than Badhdatis and Monfils ... I did have a feeling that Novak could achieve something special and I guessed it right.

MuzzahLovah
09-19-2013, 02:00 AM
Back before we knew the full extent of the Nadal tragedy that was to consume and destroy tennis. :sad:

Sauletekis
09-19-2013, 03:48 AM
Cannot understand how low expectations people had on Nadal back then, since he was the only one with a Slam trophy. I'm not saying people should predict he would arrive to the 2 digits mark, but by a long shot the most promising one.

BackhandDTL
09-19-2013, 04:28 AM
Cannot understand how low expectations people had on Nadal back then, since he was the only one with a Slam trophy. I'm not saying people should predict he would arrive to the 2 digits mark, but by a long shot the most promising one.

It's easier to say that in hindsight, but Nadal, while great, really did seem much more limited back then. It astounds me when people here suggest that he's always been about the same thing. While his game has remained consistent compositionally, the improvements he's made over the year in terms of execution and tactics have been astounding.

Back then, I wouldn't blame anyone for expecting him to remain largely within the confines of clay. Though it is amusing to see the Fed fan say he'd figure him out.

sentinel
09-19-2013, 05:08 AM
Back before we knew the full extent of the Nadal tragedy that was to consume and destroy tennis. :sad:How is being a great champion destroying tennis. Drop the bag of sour grapes and enjoy the history unfolding. IF your favourite player was any good he would be winning more than Nadal. But he isnt, get over it.

SliceAce
09-19-2013, 10:16 AM
Funny thread, but their predictions were basically right based on how the courts and game were back then. If someone told me in 2006 that Wimbledon would turn into clay (the year Fed crushed Nadull with all court tennis in the final), the USO would become molasses (in 2006 Fed crushed Roddick in a lightning quick final), and that the magic seven in this thread would be the last generation to achieve anything in the forseeable future I would think they were on drugs.

Also shows how far tennis has fallen. The French Open 2006 was the second time the top 4 seeds reached the SF of a slam since since 1986! If you look at the top 32 of that tournament now, you can see why. It was filled with massive talents and underachievers, different game-styles and personalities. That's all gone now and the top 4 reaching the semis is absolutely guaranteed every slam.

99% of Nadulltards here didn't even watch tennis back then, because if they did they would know what we mean by "he's killing the game".

A_Skywalker
09-19-2013, 10:21 AM
Gasquet is the main guy with the potential to be a huge success, judging by his technique.

Good predictions like this are always welcome here

duarte_a
09-19-2013, 10:22 AM
Back before we knew the full extent of the Nadal tragedy that was to consume and destroy tennis. :sad:

Yep. Those were good days.

JarkaFish
09-19-2013, 10:32 AM
Cannot understand how low expectations people had on Nadal back then, since he was the only one with a Slam trophy. I'm not saying people should predict he would arrive to the 2 digits mark, but by a long shot the most promising one.

I don't think anyone could have predicted just how far court homogenization would go. :shrug:

duarte_a
09-19-2013, 10:34 AM
I don't think anyone could have predicted just how far court homogenization would go. :shrug:

Or how long the knees would last.

WinterIsComing
09-19-2013, 02:27 PM
Cannot understand how low expectations people had on Nadal back then, since he was the only one with a Slam trophy. I'm not saying people should predict he would arrive to the 2 digits mark, but by a long shot the most promising one.

Let's not forget that back then recent history was full of spanish clay freaks with huge top-spin forehands who had enjoyed early success but had declined very fast : Bruguera, Berasategui, Ferrero... Add to this that Nadal had already been seriously injured at 17, and the fact that his game being perfectly suited to beat the top guy of the moment gave him a mental edge that could not last forever... Yeah, there were some serious arguments to be doubtful about his future!

underspin
09-19-2013, 02:34 PM
If someone told me in 2006 that Wimbledon would turn into clay (the year Fed crushed Nadull with all court tennis in the final),

It turned into clay in two years did it? I believe Federer himself has said that the speed at Wimbledon stayed the same since he started winning.

Htom Sirveaux
09-19-2013, 02:45 PM
Back before we knew the full extent of the Nadal tragedy that was to consume and destroy tennis. :sad:

Nadal hate is so sad when it comes from a Murraytard. :lol:

Rafael Nadal ESP - 3rd of June, 1986
He has already achieved so much:) He'll no.1 for sure and can win all slams:worship: I think he'll win Gold Olympic Medal in 2008, several FO and AO.

Richard Gasquet FRA - 18th of June 1986
He'll win Wimbledon for sure and be in top 3.

Marcos Baghdatis CYP - 17th of June 1985
He will win few Masters Series but no slam and won't crack into top 5.

Andy Murray GBR - 15th of May 1987
I don't see him having a great carreer. He's talented but with his game he cannot hope beating all the great players in one week. He'll struggle winning tournaments.

Gael Monfils FRA - 1st of September 1986
He won't be even a top 10 player.

Tomas Berdych CZE - 17th of September 1985
Hard to say. But I doubt he'll win slams.

Novak Djokovic SRB - 22nd of May 1987
With Gasquet, in my opinion, the best player. He'll win several slams too.

Pretty much five out of seven. Quite impressive.

duarte_a
09-19-2013, 02:56 PM
It turned into clay in two years did it? I believe Federer himself has said that the speed at Wimbledon stayed the same since he started winning.

soJ_FVnijAw

Htom Sirveaux
09-19-2013, 03:27 PM
soJ_FVnijAw

Q. Marat Safin, after his win a couple days ago, thanked the club for slowing down the courts. How have you seen the courts change here over the years, and how does the change affect your chances?

ROGER FEDERER: Well, I don't think it's that much of a difference since I played Pete here in 2001 really.

Source: http://www.tennis-x.com/xblog/2012-06-20/10022.php

---

That quote is from the very same WB fortnight where Nadal went on to defeat the Swiss (and the same year as the serve comparison Youtube clip). Federer quotes from later years seem to show him changing his opinion after he stopped dominating the event.

SaFed2005
09-19-2013, 03:30 PM
I don't think anyone could have predicted just how far court homogenization would go. :shrug:

Pretty much this.

Let's not forget that back then recent history was full of spanish clay freaks with huge top-spin forehands who had enjoyed early success but had declined very fast : Bruguera, Berasategui, Ferrero... Add to this that Nadal had already been seriously injured at 17, and the fact that his game being perfectly suited to beat the top guy of the moment gave him a mental edge that could not last forever... Yeah, there were some serious arguments to be doubtful about his future!

I have lost count of how many SERIOUS injuries Nadal has gone through over the year.

LoveFifteen
09-19-2013, 03:47 PM
This court homogenization stuff is just bullshit. There are still so many players who are incredible on clay and terrible on grass, and vice versa. Would Nadal have bombed out of Wimbledon the past two years if grass were really just like clay? How do you explain Roddick reaching the Wimbledon final in 2009 and almost beating Federer if apparently grass turned into clay in 2008? :rolleyes:

You haters are just desperate to downplay Nadal's legendary career achievements.

gulzhan
09-19-2013, 04:36 PM
Impressive thread by stebs :yeah:

Impressive prognosis from Grenouille :worship: He was biased towards Rochard which is understandable since he seems to be French. That also explains why he wasn't so excited by Murray at the time :lol: Amazing how he saw unlike the majority that Nadal and Djokovic will be multiple GS winners.

Joey Tribbiani
09-19-2013, 04:44 PM
Rafael Nadal ESP - 3rd of June, 1986
He has already achieved so much:) He'll no.1 for sure and can win all slams:worship: I think he'll win Gold Olympic Medal in 2008, several FO and AO.

Richard Gasquet FRA - 18th of June 1986
He'll win Wimbledon for sure and be in top 3.

Marcos Baghdatis CYP - 17th of June 1985
He will win few Masters Series but no slam and won't crack into top 5.

Andy Murray GBR - 15th of May 1987
I don't see him having a great carreer. He's talented but with his game he cannot hope beating all the great players in one week. He'll struggle winning tournaments.

Gael Monfils FRA - 1st of September 1986
He won't be even a top 10 player.

Tomas Berdych CZE - 17th of September 1985
Hard to say. But I doubt he'll win slams.

Novak Djokovic SRB - 22nd of May 1987
With Gasquet, in my opinion, the best player. He'll win several slams too.

Wow.

:worship:

delpiero7
09-19-2013, 10:06 PM
Nadal will win THE Grand Slam - and much more. He will be number 1. He has more will, confidence, and determination than anyone else in the game - and he has the will to continue to change his game.

Berdych and Gasquet have the most pure ability/technique, but Berdych needs to become more consistent and less petty, and Gasquet needs to get a little stronger both mentally and physically. Both are capable of winning a lot.

Baghdatis cares a lot and is very talented - he plays better when he's enjoying himself, so has to find a way to have keep having fun while he focuses. Adjusting to all the attention this year has been distracting to him. When he balances these things, he will win a lot. (When I saw him Jan 05, I thought he would be in top 10 this year.)

Monfils probably needs to try NOT to have quite as much fun, and calm down just a little more. He still acts like a kid, but he has grown a lot in the past year. He can be fun to watch - I hope he does well.

I think Murray will settle into more confidence and be around for a pretty long run, winning steadily.

Djokovic is very dangerous in terms of ability. I want to see him a little more to get a sense of his mental strength.


Wow. This poster was scarily accurate. :worship:

If only he/she were able to offer personal advice to Berdych, Gasquet and Baghdatis, they might well have achieved more!

Baseline86
09-20-2013, 04:49 AM
Funny thread, but their predictions were basically right based on how the courts and game were back then. If someone told me in 2006 that Wimbledon would turn into clay (the year Fed crushed Nadull with all court tennis in the final), the USO would become molasses (in 2006 Fed crushed Roddick in a lightning quick final), and that the magic seven in this thread would be the last generation to achieve anything in the forseeable future I would think they were on drugs.

Also shows how far tennis has fallen. The French Open 2006 was the second time the top 4 seeds reached the SF of a slam since since 1986! If you look at the top 32 of that tournament now, you can see why. It was filled with massive talents and underachievers, different game-styles and personalities. That's all gone now and the top 4 reaching the semis is absolutely guaranteed every slam.

99% of Nadulltards here didn't even watch tennis back then, because if they did they would know what we mean by "he's killing the game".

He is not, And Im sure I watch tennis longer ago than you did. It's you who can't stand tennis players who clearly can mutate in their game and adapt it to different conditions. On the other hand some players end their careers playing as much as they did when they started, pretty much even Federer falls in that spot, at least compared to nadal. I'm waiting to see the day Nadal pass (or at least equal)Fed in slam titles, will be the best day for tennis, for all of us.

ossie
09-20-2013, 10:00 AM
Gasquet is the main guy with the potential to be a huge success, judging by his technique.http://expresswithgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Laughing-Tom.gif

GSMnadal
09-20-2013, 10:07 AM
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That video is so overused. What about spin etc.

Just because they're hit at the same speed doesn't mean the ball has the same action on it. Even the trajectory prior to the bounce is very different.

The Fearhand
09-20-2013, 10:52 AM
I like Berdych and Baghdatis.They will achive something big,and others are shit :lol:

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:


Rafael Nadal ESP - 3rd of June, 1986
He has already achieved so much:) He'll no.1 for sure and can win all slams:worship: I think he'll win Gold Olympic Medal in 2008, several FO and AO.

:eek::worship:

Nadal will win THE Grand Slam - and much more. He will be number 1. He has more will, confidence, and determination than anyone else in the game - and he has the will to continue to change his game.

:worship:

Loveall
09-20-2013, 11:05 AM
Rafael Nadal ESP - 3rd of June, 1986
He has already achieved so much:) He'll no.1 for sure and can win all slams:worship: I think he'll win Gold Olympic Medal in 2008, several FO and AO.

Richard Gasquet FRA - 18th of June 1986
He'll win Wimbledon for sure and be in top 3.

Marcos Baghdatis CYP - 17th of June 1985
He will win few Masters Series but no slam and won't crack into top 5.

Andy Murray GBR - 15th of May 1987
I don't see him having a great carreer. He's talented but with his game he cannot hope beating all the great players in one week. He'll struggle winning tournaments.

Gael Monfils FRA - 1st of September 1986
He won't be even a top 10 player.

Tomas Berdych CZE - 17th of September 1985
Hard to say. But I doubt he'll win slams.

Novak Djokovic SRB - 22nd of May 1987
With Gasquet, in my opinion, the best player. He'll win several slams too.

Awesome . Got it right about Rafa and Novak. Missed it on Richard and Andy. 2 out of 4 is not bad

Loveall
09-20-2013, 11:06 AM
Nadal will win THE Grand Slam - and much more. He will be number 1. He has more will, confidence, and determination than anyone else in the game - and he has the will to continue to change his game.

Berdych and Gasquet have the most pure ability/technique, but Berdych needs to become more consistent and less petty, and Gasquet needs to get a little stronger both mentally and physically. Both are capable of winning a lot.

Baghdatis cares a lot and is very talented - he plays better when he's enjoying himself, so has to find a way to have keep having fun while he focuses. Adjusting to all the attention this year has been distracting to him. When he balances these things, he will win a lot. (When I saw him Jan 05, I thought he would be in top 10 this year.)

Monfils probably needs to try NOT to have quite as much fun, and calm down just a little more. He still acts like a kid, but he has grown a lot in the past year. He can be fun to watch - I hope he does well.

I think Murray will settle into more confidence and be around for a pretty long run, winning steadily.

Djokovic is very dangerous in terms of ability. I want to see him a little more to get a sense of his mental strength.

Got it right on Rafa..

Loveall
09-20-2013, 11:35 AM
Funny thread, but their predictions were basically right based on how the courts and game were back then. If someone told me in 2006 that Wimbledon would turn into clay (the year Fed crushed Nadull with all court tennis in the final), the USO would become molasses (in 2006 Fed crushed Roddick in a lightning quick final), and that the magic seven in this thread would be the last generation to achieve anything in the forseeable future I would think they were on drugs.

Also shows how far tennis has fallen. The French Open 2006 was the second time the top 4 seeds reached the SF of a slam since since 1986! If you look at the top 32 of that tournament now, you can see why. It was filled with massive talents and underachievers, different game-styles and personalities. That's all gone now and the top 4 reaching the semis is absolutely guaranteed every slam.

99% of Nadulltards here didn't even watch tennis back then, because if they did they would know what we mean by "he's killing the game".

Just because Rafa plays a style of Tennis that YOU do not like, it does not mean Rafa killed Tennis. Lot of hurt has made you go off the Tracks.

How is Rafa responsible for Others in the Top 32 becoming mental midgets.

pathetic is your hatred for ONE particular player.

Kyle_Johansen
09-20-2013, 09:05 PM
This court homogenization stuff is just bullshit. There are still so many players who are incredible on clay and terrible on grass, and vice versa. Would Nadal have bombed out of Wimbledon the past two years if grass were really just like clay? How do you explain Roddick reaching the Wimbledon final in 2009 and almost beating Federer if apparently grass turned into clay in 2008? :rolleyes:

You haters are just desperate to downplay Nadal's legendary career achievements.

Because the Nadal haters don't do the same to Federer.

Kyle_Johansen
09-20-2013, 09:07 PM
Baghdatis has done more than Gasquet at least, and I'm sure nobody predicted that. Berdych is much better than Bag but has frankly been much more disappointing given his ability.

Han Solo
09-21-2013, 01:04 AM
This court homogenization stuff is just bullshit. There are still so many players who are incredible on clay and terrible on grass, and vice versa. Would Nadal have bombed out of Wimbledon the past two years if grass were really just like clay? How do you explain Roddick reaching the Wimbledon final in 2009 and almost beating Federer if apparently grass turned into clay in 2008? :rolleyes:

You haters are just desperate to downplay Nadal's legendary career achievements.

Look - I have no agenda here, but if this issue is, as you say, just bullshit, then how do you explain the frequent references to it in the press, and from pundits and players alike? It's not just a few MTF rabid Fed fans trying to downplay Nadal's, Djokovic's and Murray's achievements.

J99
09-21-2013, 01:05 AM
Baghdatis has done more than Gasquet at least, and I'm sure nobody predicted that. Berdych is much better than Bag but has frankly been much more disappointing given his ability.

:spit: WTF, no.

Mountaindewslave
09-21-2013, 05:03 AM
Look - I have no agenda here, but if this issue is, as you say, just bullshit, then how do you explain the frequent references to it in the press, and from pundits and players alike? It's not just a few MTF rabid Fed fans trying to downplay Nadal's, Djokovic's and Murray's achievements.

the surfaces are certainly not as extreme as they once were (in fact quite less drastic) BUT they are made of different materials and no matter what tampering is done are going to play somewhat different. obviously HC is still very drastic from clay, no matter how slowed down

there is a good point that it's easier to adjust today but there's also an obvious point that there are still a number of clay court specialists (mediocre ones) who fail terribly at grass and this sort of DOES go to show the surfaces still have a noticable difference from one another

I think the obsession with baseline high percentage game by players seem to aggravate and further extreme the situation. sort of like a fad catching on. I imagine if there were more players out there attempting more aggressive play and strategies than things might not seem SO SLOW. I hear often that players have 'tried' it and get killed, can't handle the pace/passing shots when going to the net, make too many errors when trying to hit harder and closer to the lines, but I think a lot of coaches are not teaching players to go for more aggressive styles these days anyway. I mean, look at Tomic for example. of course then you have the other extreme, Harrison, a player with limited weapons sometimes going for too much and wracking up a million errors

I think the surfaces are more similar obviously by a big margin than the past , but that people exaggerate and there still is a big difference between, say, clay and indoor, or grass and regular HC. I think that if the high percentage game wasn't made so popular by a lot of big/top ranked players in recent years then we'd have more successful aggressive players or even more serve and volleyers left

players are like sheep, they see a Nadal dominating with a hugely defensive baseline style, mimic it, and get so used to playing that way too that it leaves no room to ever know whether or not if they adapted an entirely different style they would have done well

as recently as, what, 5 years ago, we still had Marat Safin playing a high margin game and doing fairly well.

I've rambled incredibly, but what I've been trying to highlight is that potentially the surfaces are not all the same slowness but rather that most players have decided to play a safe brand of high percentage tennis and that certainly makes everything seem very fucking slow

tribalfusion
09-21-2013, 05:20 AM
Because the Nadal haters don't do the same to Federer.

What is this sentence supposed to mean?

Kyle_Johansen
09-21-2013, 05:20 AM
:spit: WTF, no.

Bag made a Slam final, I think that beats Gasquet's two Masters finals.

TennisSavior
09-21-2013, 05:22 AM
Nadal needs to keep injury free if he's gonne keep on doing well, but federer is gonna figure him out for sure either if they play at the TMC or next year. then its gonna be hard for nadal to win more slams, he'll probably only win the french again, no others.

Love this opinion. He was right about injuries, wrong about Fed.

Kyle_Johansen
09-21-2013, 05:38 AM
Love this opinion. He was right about injuries, wrong about Fed.

He said Fed was going to figure him out at the WTF, which he did and then did the year after that and twice more. He was certainly wrong about only being able to win the French.

TennisSavior
09-21-2013, 05:44 AM
He said Fed was going to figure him out at the WTF, which he did and then did the year after that and twice more. He was certainly wrong about only being able to win the French.

"...but federer is gonna figure him out for sure either if they play at the TMC or next year. then its gonna be hard for nadal to win more slams...."

His clear implication and intention was that Fed was going to figure out Nadal and deny him of Slams, both future and present tense(back then) - or did you fail to read what came after? Clear as day.

Needless to say the opposite happened. BTW Federer didn't figure Nadal back then, Nadal was just outclassed by the better player on his favorite surfaces. Nothing wrong with that...to imply Fed has figured or once figured Nadal is a known myth. Although as a Fed fan I know it's mostly something mental + it's not as easy to change play styles to beat your opponent which is what's required. At this point in Fed's career that ship has sailed so it's a moot point.

Kyle_Johansen
09-21-2013, 05:54 AM
If that was a quote from 2006, then Fed was 3-2 in 2007 vs Rafa. Obviously since then it's been 13-4 Rafa. Also, if you say Nadal was outclassed by Fed on his favourite surfaces, well then the same should (rightfully) be said about them playing on clay, which was clearly a big advantage for Nadal 95% of the times.

Pirata.
09-21-2013, 06:00 AM
What is this sentence supposed to mean?

I started to explain then I realized why you quoted it :lol:

TennisSavior
09-21-2013, 06:03 AM
If that was a quote from 2006, then Fed was 3-2 in 2007 vs Rafa. Obviously since then it's been 13-4 Rafa. Also, if you say Nadal was outclassed by Fed on his favourite surfaces, well then the same should (rightfully) be said about them playing on clay, which was clearly a big advantage for Nadal 95% of the times.

I will never deny the advantages 'player x' has over 'player y' by playing on x or y's favorite surfaces. Nadal didn't figure out Fed on clay - he's just naturally the better player on that surface. However Wimby 08 and AO 09 as well as the overall H2H between Nadal and Fed, on any surface, clearly shows who figured out who. That's just not debatable.

You can always make the case, rightfully so, that Nadal was always at an advantage as he had to figure out Fed in order to win Wimby or have major successes on Slams outside Clay. So, playing runner up was key. The point becomes moot when Fed falls to #2 and fails to recover in the "grand scheme" of things. Same for Nole tuning his game to beat his major competition, Nadal, on a consistent basis. The key is how 'player x' rebounds after falling to 'player y'. In that case, Nadal and Nole have been different if USO 2013 is any indication of future performance. Disregarding of course Nadal's positive H2H vs. Nole.

Pratik
09-21-2013, 06:26 AM
Baghdatis has done more than Gasquet at least, and I'm sure nobody predicted that.

Bag made a Slam final, I think that beats Gasquet's two Masters finals.

:spit:
It's quite ridiculous to say that Baghdatis has had a better career than Gasquet.

Peak at Grand Slams, Baghdatis has been better; 1F; 1SF, 1 QF compared to 2 SF, but other than that Gasquet has had a much better carrer.
...........Gasquet, Baghdatis
R4 at GS: 16 vs. 7
GS record: 67-37(64%) vs. 51-33(60%)
Prize Money: 9.2M vs. 5.7M
Carrer High: 7 vs. 8
Titles: 9 vs. 4
Finals: 19 vs. 11
MS: 3F, 4SF, 6QF vs. 2SF, 1 QF
Career W/L : 337-200(62%) vs. 252-179(58%)
The list goes on.

Edit: Gasquet is also a year younger.

Kyle_Johansen
09-21-2013, 07:54 AM
And at the end of the day, Gasquet would kill to have Baghdatis' Slam final and Richard's career will always be seen as a disappointment given the hype surrounding him since his teens.

@TennisSaviour: Nadal didn't really have to figure Fed out on grass or hard, he just brought the gameplan that worked so great for him on clay to those surfaces. Sure, he served bigger and played more offensive at times, but those are the little adjustments everyone makes from surface to surface. He has never had to figure Roger out, really, and the last barrier I suppose is indoors against him.

Pratik
09-21-2013, 09:04 AM
And at the end of the day, Gasquet would kill to have Baghdatis' Slam final and Richard's career will always be seen as a disappointment given the hype surrounding him since his teens.

And at the end of the day, Baghdatis would kill to gave Gasquet's career. (More than double the titles and 60% more prize money).

Gasquet not living up the hype is irrelevant when comparing career achievements.

Shepherd
09-21-2013, 09:09 AM
And at the end of the day, Gasquet would kill to have Baghdatis' Slam final and Richard's career will always be seen as a disappointment given the hype surrounding him since his teens.


:haha: Could you be any more biased?

Don't worry, AO 2006 is still a legitimate slam.

Avi14
09-21-2013, 09:15 AM
Except for that slam final,Gasquet has had a way better career.

Saying that Baghdatis has had a better career is just :stupid:

J99
09-21-2013, 09:31 AM
Bag made a Slam final, I think that beats Gasquet's two Masters finals.

1 Major final does not a career make, you are forgetting Gasquet's 2 major SF's too, plus Gasquet has been ranked higher, which automatically beats Baggy right there, has more titles, been consistently around the top 10 for his career.