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Master's Qualifiers Fast Surface Records, with "Federer factor" correction

Ernham
11-04-2006, 08:28 PM
1. Roger Federer 46-10(44-8 W/o Nadal; 85% win rate)
Versus
Nadal 2-2
Blake 5-0
Nalbandian 5-5
Robredo 6-0
Ljubicic 10-2
Davydenko 7-0
Roddick 11-1

2. Andy Roddick 20-17 (19-6 W/O Federer; 76% win rate)
Versus
Blake 5-2
Federer 1-11
Nadal 1-0
Nalbandian 3-1
Robredo 6-0
Ljubicic 4-3
Davydenko 3-0

3. Ivan Ljubicic 16-19 (14-9 W/O Federer; 61% win rate)
Versus
Blake 2-1
Federer 2-10
Nadal 1-2
Nalbandian 3-2
Robredo 3-1
Davydenko 2-1
Roddick 3-4

4. James Blake 12-13(12-8 W/O federer; 60% win rate)
Versus
Federer 0-5
Nadal 2-0
Nalbandian 0-0
Robredo 3-2
Ljubicic 1-2
Davydenko 4-0
Roddick 2-5

5. David Nalbandian 11-12(6-7 W/O Federer; 46% win rate)
Versus
Blake 0-0
Federer 5-5
Nadal 0-0
Robredo 2-0
Ljubicic 2-3
Davydenko 1-1
Roddick 1-3

6. Rafael Nadal 5-6(3-4 W/O Federer; 43% win rate)
Versus
Federer 2-2
Blake 0-2
Nalbandian 0-0
Robredo 1-0
Ljubicic 2-1
Davydenko 0-0
Roddick 0-1

7. Nikolay Davydenko 3-17(3-10 W/o Feder; 23% win rate)
Versus
Blake 0-4
Feder 0-7
Nadal 0-0
Nalbandian 1-1
Robredo 1-0
Ljubicic 1-2
Roddick 0-3

8. Tommy Robredo 3-22(3-16 W/O Feder, 16% win rate)
Versus
Blake 2-3
Federer 0-6
Nadal 0-1
Nalbandian 0-2
Ljubicic 1-3
Davydenko 0-1
Roddick 0-6

Well, both Andy and Federer seem to have quite a large margin over the rest of the field, so I think the smart money is on either of them taking it. Blake matches up some what surprisingly well when correcting for the Federer factor. And nadal? He's a minnow in a big, big ocean of sharks.

DrJules
11-04-2006, 08:35 PM
I thought that they were playing on a "rebound ace" style surface which is medium paced NOT fast so why have you considered only fast surface results?

Based on those figures Federer, Roddick, Ljubicic and Blake (strong group) could all be in the same group and Nalbandian, Nadal, Davydenko and Robredo (weak group) in the other group.

Ernham
11-04-2006, 08:58 PM
I thought that they were playing on a "rebound ace" style surface which is medium paced NOT fast so why have you considered only fast surface results?
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What I read just said "hard court". Good point, though.

konyalikartal
11-04-2006, 09:14 PM
Would you please exclude the grass court results from this list? I know it takes long time but:)

Ernham
11-04-2006, 09:18 PM
Would you please exclude the grass court results from this list? I know it takes long time but:)
Nah, not right now anyway. Maybe later. Too much work, too little benefit. But I would say that there were very, very few grass courts between them all. I don't think any match ups had more than one between the two of them, and very few even had one.

Ernham
11-05-2006, 05:31 PM
Anyway, even if it is rebound ace, from what i've seen of the surface, it's essentially a fast surface with relatively low bounce.

TheBoiledEgg
11-05-2006, 05:37 PM
pointless thread

What is a fast court these days ???

the only ones you see are in Minsk.

Kolya just beat the Gimp (Robredo) so where does the 0-3 come from :rolleyes:

Ernham
11-05-2006, 06:04 PM
pointless thread

What is a fast court these days ???

the only ones you see are in Minsk.

Kolya just beat the Gimp (Robredo) so where does the 0-3 come from :rolleyes:

Heaven forbid I don't immediately update, clearly making this thread "pointless". There, it's fixed now.

NYCtennisfan
11-05-2006, 07:03 PM
Anyway, even if it is rebound ace, from what i've seen of the surface, it's essentially a fast surface with relatively low bounce.

Are you talking about rebound ace as a surface or what they used last year in Shanghai? They didn't use rebound ace last year so that's why the bounce was relatively low and the surface relatively fast. There was talk that the court would be changed into rebound ace for this year's TMC.

Ernham
11-05-2006, 07:11 PM
Are you talking about rebound ace as a surface or what they used last year in Shanghai? They didn't use rebound ace last year so that's why the bounce was relatively low and the surface relatively fast. There was talk that the court would be changed into rebound ace for this year's TMC.

No. I was talking about from what I've seen of rebound ace(which is exactly what I said), it's comparable with hard surfaces or carpets, and even grass as far as the bounce goes. All I heard about the TMC is that it was going to be a "hard surface". So, what is it? Ace or not? That was the question.

NYCtennisfan
11-06-2006, 02:50 AM
No. I was talking about from what I've seen of rebound ace(which is exactly what I said), it's comparable with hard surfaces or carpets, and even grass as far as the bounce goes. All I heard about the TMC is that it was going to be a "hard surface". So, what is it? Ace or not? That was the question.

You must not have watched too many matches then because the bounce is nothing like that on grass or carpet. There is also a big difference between the bounce of RA compared with Decoturf.

Ernham
11-06-2006, 03:12 AM
You must not have watched too many matches then because the bounce is nothing like that on grass or carpet. There is also a big difference between the bounce of RA compared with Decoturf.

No. The bounce at the UO is similar to the bounce at the AO from what i've seen. I've never played on RA, so i don't have a personal opinion. It seems to play generally like a regular hard court from what I've seen. But, do you even know if that's the surface being used or not?

Deboogle!.
11-06-2006, 03:13 AM
No. The bounce at the UO is similar to the bounce at the AO from what i've seen.:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

Ernham
11-06-2006, 03:16 AM
:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

:confused: It is. The AO seems a bit slower, but the bounce seems the same as the UO.

Edit: On a scale of 1 to 10, I'd give grass a speed of 9, wood(very common the US for indoor tournaments) a 10 speed, UO an 8 speed, and the AO 7.5, clay 3), just to give context to "slower". The relative scores are almost the complete opposites for all of them in respect to bounce.

shotgun
11-06-2006, 03:19 AM
RA is much bouncier than Decoturf.

Roger The Great
11-06-2006, 03:30 AM
Just go watch some matches (if you have any) from this year's Aus Open and from this year's US Open. I went back the last couple days and have watched parts of several matches from Australia this year. It's such a great shot maker's surface. But the bounce is definitely much higher than on Decoturf. The court almost seems to have a spring to it.

But once again, I have yet to see one shred of actual evidence that the TMC has switched surfaces this year.

Deboogle!.
11-06-2006, 03:32 AM
The court almost seems to have a spring to it.Well it is made from rubber, after all :D

Roger The Great
11-06-2006, 03:35 AM
Well it is made from rubber, after all :D

:yeah: Good call. It is actually made of ground up tires, is it not?

Deboogle!.
11-06-2006, 03:37 AM
:yeah: Good call. It is actually made of ground up tires, is it not?believe so :)

http://www.reboundace.com.au/

Action Jackson
11-06-2006, 03:39 AM
The surface in Shanghai seems to be more mysterious than North Korea. We will find out soon enough what it is.

Having played on Rebound Ace, it's definitely bouncier, then again it makes sense considering what Rebound Ace is made from and easier on the joints than the regular hardcourts, then again with it being indoors it will be slower cause of the fact that the sun won't be on it.

Roger The Great
11-06-2006, 03:44 AM
The surface in Shanghai seems to be more mysterious than North Korea. We will find out soon enough what it is.


:lol: Good one. But so true. I find it amazing how many rumors can spread around here with zero evidence. Anything official I see still says taraflex. But as you said, we'll see soon enough.

NYCtennisfan
11-06-2006, 07:20 AM
:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

Action Jackson
11-06-2006, 07:40 AM
:lol: Good one. But so true. I find it amazing how many rumors can spread around here with zero evidence. Anything official I see still says taraflex. But as you said, we'll see soon enough.

This is known as MTF Law #3

3. Speculation can be treated as fact, as can fact be considered speculation.

DrJules
11-06-2006, 07:44 AM
A commentator on Sky TV during the Paris master cup final said the surface was the same as used in Paris. That would be too sensible to be true. A surface that natually leads into the year end master. If true Davydenko will be delighted.