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Field for Shanghai complete! Haas out, loses to Hrbaty 4-6,0-1 ret

RonE
11-04-2006, 04:23 PM
Shanghai is a done deal.

Congratulations James Blake :yeah:

Trivial
11-04-2006, 04:24 PM
Shame. But congratulations James! :worship:

What caused Tommy too retire? :confused:

RonE
11-04-2006, 04:25 PM
So now Hrbaty will face Davydenko in the final- Hrbaty is more solid mentally but Davydenko has the better strokes particularly on serve. Should be an interesting match.

Haas felt lightheaded and faint had to retire. :rolleyes:

cobalt60
11-04-2006, 04:26 PM
Oh crap. I was waiting for lunch then heading up to watch it :lol: It is all about timing. Congrats to Hrbarty, hope Haas isn't badly injured and hopefully Davey will win tomorrow. And :yeah: for James :woohoo:
Edit- thanks Ron for the info re Haas.

Ernham
11-04-2006, 04:26 PM
Shame. But congratulations James! :worship:

What caused Tommy too retire? :confused:

Dunno. Towards the end of the first set he called the medic dude over and they talked for a bit and he went out and played for a bit and then retired.

TennisAgenda
11-04-2006, 04:26 PM
Got to say the truth about Tommy Haas is he hasn't grown up yet. The childish immaturity was incredible. Screaming profanities in German, throwing his racket, complaining about little things like a red light. Haas has shown his true colours once again. James Blake is smiling right now in the USA. James now knows he will finish the year in the top 10. James's got to be happy he played decent tennis this year and now he has a shot at glory and a nice pay cheque. As for Haas he once again acts like a big crybaby and cracks under the pressure. I honestly don't think they was anything physical wrong with Tommy I think it was mental. Tommy is a very mentally weak man and he is very very emotionally fragile.

WF4EVER
11-04-2006, 04:26 PM
Woohoo, OCngratulations, James, you're in!

Sorry Tommy had to lose that way. But I'm so glad James is in. He'd better take full advantage of it.

RonE
11-04-2006, 04:27 PM
Dunno. Towards the end of the first set he called the medic dude over and they talked for a bit and he went out and played for a bit and then retired.

He said he felt "lightheaded" and his "muscles were really heavy".

mrserenawilliams
11-04-2006, 04:27 PM
BLAKE :woohoo: :banana: :sad: :hug: :bounce: :dance: :clap2: :bigclap: :yippee: :bigwave: :nerner: :hatoff: :rocker: :music: :aparty: :aparty: :tears: (of joy)

Voo de Mar
11-04-2006, 04:28 PM
Hrabty - Haas H2H 6:8 after this match.
Blake goes to Shanghai, Ancic as well, as an alternate :yeah:

ShimSham
11-04-2006, 04:28 PM
Thank you Haas! :woohoo:

WF4EVER
11-04-2006, 04:28 PM
Haas had low blood sugar he said. Thus the cause of his lightheadedness. Part of me thinks he must have really been feeling badly to not give it a go, but I wonder if it was nerves, too.

Good luck to Nikolay in the final.

lordmanji
11-04-2006, 04:30 PM
i think he said to the trainer "my muscles feel heavy"

Ernham
11-04-2006, 04:30 PM
Got to say the truth about Tommy Haas is he hasn't grown up yet. The childish immaturity was incredible. Screaming profanities in German, throwing his racket, complaining about little things like a red light. Haas has shown his true colours once again. James Blake is smiling right now in the USA. James now knows he will finish the year in the top 10. James's got to be happy he played decent tennis this year and now he has a shot at glory and a nice pay cheque. As for Haas he once again acts like a big crybaby and cracks under the pressure. I honestly don't think they was anything physical wrong with Tommy I think it was mental. Tommy is a very mentally weak man and he is very very emotionally fragile.

If i was to mine your post history, would I find you have similar comments for Safin who is even worse?

cobalt60
11-04-2006, 04:30 PM
BLAKE :woohoo: :banana: :sad: :hug: :bounce: :dance: :clap2: :bigclap: :yippee: :bigwave: :nerner: :hatoff: :rocker: :music: :aparty: :aparty: :tears: (of joy)

I will echo that although all the use of smilies isn't my style;) Very pleased for James.

ShimSham
11-04-2006, 04:31 PM
Congrats James:yeah:

Naranoc
11-04-2006, 04:31 PM
Well done Hrbaty, and James for a deserved place in Shanghai :yeah:

Looks like there won't be the 'Battle of the Hotttiees' AKA Robredo and Haas (which many were probably anticipating!)

Adler
11-04-2006, 04:31 PM
Oh well. Pity it finished like that

WF4EVER
11-04-2006, 04:31 PM
James deserves it. 7 finals, 5 tournamnet victories. Unfortunately he met Federer too many times this year, but he deserves to be in Shanghai. Too bad he made it so hard for himself and had to pull out the Haas voodoo doll to qualify.

mrserenawilliams
11-04-2006, 04:31 PM
BLAKE :aparty: :nerner: :ras: to ALL the HATER! :yippee: :dance:

buddyholly
11-04-2006, 04:33 PM
He should be fined for cheating the fans. As John Barret said (sort of) "What changed for Haas after taking the court, other than getting his ass kicked?
He did not seem in any pain when he walked off. If it were me and I had a genuine ailment I would want to grab the microphone before I left and explain to the fans what was wrong, as well as apologise for wasting their time.

sploush
11-04-2006, 04:35 PM
He should be fined for cheating the fans. As John Barret said (sort of) "What changed for Haas after taking the court, other than getting his ass kicked?
He did not seem in any pain when he walked off. If it were me and I had a genuine ailment I would want to grab the microphone before I left and explain to the fans what was wrong, as well as apologise for wasting their time.

Nobody ever did that, so dont take it on Haas. He had a serious leg injury, they left the mic on on nusports and you could hear what he was saying to the doctor. He wanted to retire at 5-4 in the first set.

Ernham
11-04-2006, 04:36 PM
Haas had low blood sugar he said. Thus the cause of his lightheadedness. Part of me thinks he must have really been feeling badly to not give it a go, but I wonder if it was nerves, too.

Good luck to Nikolay in the final.

Something was up. The first duece on serve if I recall right, he looked wobbly and walked over to get a drink of water in the middle of the point. Probably thought it was dehydration or something.

Voo de Mar
11-04-2006, 04:36 PM
Tommy lost in Paris for the second time in his career chance to play in Masters. Five years ago he lost semifinal against Grosejan and Frenchman qualified to Masters... It's unbelievable that former No. 2 in the world has never played in Masters Cup!

Clara Bow
11-04-2006, 04:36 PM
As John Barret said (sort of) "What changed for Haas after taking the court, other than getting his ass kicked?

I don't think John is a fan of Haas at all. The two announcers were made me giggle when Haas went to get some water and one asked why and the other one said something along the lines of "perhaps he is parched after all of that swearing at the back of the court." (This was before he said he was sick to the trainer.) Then when Haas was complaining about the light John said "well, I wonder what the problem is this time?" - or something to that effect. And the two announcers were also wondering if Haas ever enjoys himself out there. So- I would say for sure that Haas is not on JB's list of favorites.

Still, a shame it had to end that way for Tommy.

But yeah for James. :)

TennisAgenda
11-04-2006, 04:37 PM
Haas just gave up after he lost that long game he mentally went away. You could tell he was very frustrated and upset because he knew the pressure was on him. I find it unbelievable that he would just give up and retire. Its really lame what he did. But James Blake is similing in the USA right now.

DrJules
11-04-2006, 04:38 PM
Got to say the truth about Tommy Haas is he hasn't grown up yet. The childish immaturity was incredible. Screaming profanities in German, throwing his racket, complaining about little things like a red light. Haas has shown his true colours once again. James Blake is smiling right now in the USA. James now knows he will finish the year in the top 10. James's got to be happy he played decent tennis this year and now he has a shot at glory and a nice pay cheque. As for Haas he once again acts like a big crybaby and cracks under the pressure. I honestly don't think they was anything physical wrong with Tommy I think it was mental. Tommy is a very mentally weak man and he is very very emotionally fragile.

Oh well if so he joins the top 5 players before this event (Federer, Nadal, Ljubicic, Roddick, Nalbandian) with their physical and mental problems. It might be that they are all genuine cases.

Ernham
11-04-2006, 04:38 PM
Tommy lost in Paris for the second time in his career chance to play in Masters. Five years ago he lost semifinal against Grosejan and Frenchman qualified to Masters... It's unbelievable that former No. 2 in the world has never played in Masters Cup!

Not really surprising. Mostly a result of really bad luck and mental weakness.

Yappa
11-04-2006, 04:38 PM
Tommy too tired?

Oh well. Guess I wont have to watch the tape delayed match then.

WF4EVER
11-04-2006, 04:39 PM
Tommy lost in Paris for the second time in his career chance to play in Masters. Five years ago he lost semifinal against Grosejan and Frenchman qualified to Masters... It's unbelievable that former No. 2 in the world has never played in Masters Cup!

He lost here to Hrbaty in 2002, too.

Yappa
11-04-2006, 04:41 PM
Nobody ever did that, so dont take it on Haas. He had a serious leg injury, they left the mic on on nusports and you could hear what he was saying to the doctor. He wanted to retire at 5-4 in the first set.

Thanks for the info. Sad it had to end that way. :(

I am happy for Blake though. I wanted both, Blake and Haas, to qualify.

Voo de Mar
11-04-2006, 04:41 PM
Not really surprising. Mostly a result of really bad luck and mental weakness.

But this is probably only case that such a good player like Haas is, has never played in season-ending event.

Leo
11-04-2006, 04:42 PM
He said he felt "lightheaded" and his "muscles were really heavy".

I can't believe that. Tommy with a chance to go to Shanghai and he quits over lightheadedness. Anyone else thing tennis is full of babies these days who quit whenever they're not feeling well? There's so many withdrawals and retirements round after round, tournament after tournament, that I don't bother checking MTF or WTAW anymore to see what was wrong. Besides the occasional serious injury, the player was just feeling tired that day and didn't want to finish the match. :rolleyes:

Ernham
11-04-2006, 04:43 PM
But this is probably only case that such a good player like Haas is, has never played in season-ending event.

Ya. Not many players have almost 3 year pseudo-layoff, though, in their prime tennis years no less. I think the fact he actually came back as well as he has is well enough.

screaminhead
11-04-2006, 04:43 PM
Yes! Blake is in! :bigclap:

DrJules
11-04-2006, 04:44 PM
I can't believe that. Tommy with a chance to go to Shanghai and he quits over lightheadedness. Anyone else thing tennis is full of babies these days who quit whenever they're not feeling well? There's so many withdrawals and retirements round after round, tournament after tournament, that I don't bother checking MTF or WTAW anymore to see what was wrong. Besides the occasional serious injury, the player was just feeling tired that day and didn't want to finish the match. :rolleyes:

It is so difficult to separate the genuine from the fictional cases.

markom
11-04-2006, 04:45 PM
Oh well if so he joins the top 5 players before this event (Federer, Nadal, Ljubicic, Roddick, Nalbandian) with their physical and mental problems. It might be that they are all genuine cases.

robredo played 3rd set to the end but was also close to retire in the beginning because of his calf muscle.

Ernham
11-04-2006, 04:46 PM
I can't believe that. Tommy with a chance to go to Shanghai and he quits over lightheadedness. Anyone else thing tennis is full of babies these days who quit whenever they're not feeling well? There's so many withdrawals and retirements round after round, tournament after tournament, that I don't bother checking MTF or WTAW anymore to see what was wrong. Besides the occasional serious injury, the player was just feeling tired that day and didn't want to finish the match. :rolleyes:

I'm sure he wanted to play. why wouldn't he? if he won the tournament(and he couldn't have gotten an easier late draw in a masters tournament) he'd not only get a fat check but he'd be playing in the master's cup. If you are actually feeling dizzy and playing a sport like tennis, it's not a good idea to keep playing. Too easy to trip up and break an ankle or whatnot.

federated
11-04-2006, 04:52 PM
oh well. I'm not gonna bag haas because this was an opportunity of a lifetime. I've gotta assume that he was really feeling out of it.

Congrats to James, though; he definitely deserves to go to Shanghai. And will make things more interesting, anyway.

RonE
11-04-2006, 04:55 PM
Congrats to James, though; he definitely deserves to go to Shanghai. And will make things more interesting, anyway.

Especially if he is placed in Nadal's group :devil:

Though I believe Tio Toni will be back in fine form this time around and prevent that from happening :angel:

Ernham
11-04-2006, 04:57 PM
robredo played 3rd set to the end but was also close to retire in the beginning because of his calf muscle.

If that wasn't cramping, he should have retired too. An injury can be career threatening to these guys in the top 10. It looked like cramping to me though. You usually don't rub/stretch torn muscles because that hurts like a bitch and sure doesn't help any.

Deathless Mortal
11-04-2006, 04:57 PM
I'm waiting for somebodys retirement! :p

buddyholly
11-04-2006, 04:58 PM
I don't think John is a fan of Haas at all. The two announcers were made me giggle when Haas went to get some water and one asked why and the other one said something along the lines of "perhaps he is parched after all of that swearing at the back of the court." (This was before he said he was sick to the trainer.) Then when Haas was complaining about the light John said "well, I wonder what the problem is this time?" - or something to that effect. And the two announcers were also wondering if Haas ever enjoys himself out there. So- I would say for sure that Haas is not on JB's list of favorites.



Thanks, I missed that. I have to admit I was not yet paying attention to the match. I was waiting for it to get to the crucial stage and when I looked up from putting guille&tati4life straight on the Mexican immigration problem in Non-tennis, Haas was shaking hands. I was really already looking ahead to enjoying Haas v Davy tomorrow with it all on the line.

Saumon
11-04-2006, 05:08 PM
He should have retired yesterday :sobbing: *sigh*

Katastrophe
11-04-2006, 05:22 PM
Unfortunate end for Tommy. I have a hard time believing he wasn't really hurt, seeing how Shanghai would be off the table if he didn't play.

Blake goes to Shanghai then, we'll have to see how that unfolds...

Rogiman
11-04-2006, 05:34 PM
Haas did play once at the YEC, in 99, although it wasn't called TMC back then.

Eden
11-04-2006, 05:36 PM
According to German press Haas had stomach flu and didn't sleep the last night. It's a pity for him that he got sick. It would have been a real surprise if he would have reached the final and maybe won it.

Get well soon Tommy :)

Howard
11-04-2006, 05:37 PM
I'm feeling lightfingered so I’m retiring from this thread.

Ernham
11-04-2006, 05:42 PM
According to German press Haas had stomach flu and didn't sleep the last night. It's a pity for him that he got sick.

Now that better explains what seemed to be dehydration.

Godiva
11-04-2006, 06:12 PM
Congrats James. I hope next year will see a mentally tougher James.

bpt7
11-04-2006, 06:49 PM
According to German press Haas had stomach flu and didn't sleep the last night. It's a pity for him that he got sick. It would have been a real surprise if he would have reached the final and maybe won it.

Get well soon Tommy :)

I'll try to upload the match soon. I was watching it and it was a bit weird that at the start of the match tommy asked for a banana right away. Now that might explain it. I'm assuming he was really sick, too bad he had a really good chance to qualify for Shanghai. I'm not totally defending him, but it's really easy to criticize when you're sitting in front of the tv. I did try to play a club tournament when I was really sick a few years ago and I thought I was going to pass out....and if that was the case it would've been pretty stupid for Tommy to continue playing.

yonexforever
11-04-2006, 07:19 PM
James deserves it. 7 finals, 5 tournamnet victories. Unfortunately he met Federer too many times this year, but he deserves to be in Shanghai. Too bad he made it so hard for himself and had to pull out the Haas voodoo doll to qualify.

Not the voodoo doll???
TOO FUNNY!!!!
;)

Sjengster
11-04-2006, 07:50 PM
He lost here to Hrbaty in 2002, too.

Nope, he beat him from a set down, 6-7, 6-4, 6-4, and this was when the shoulder injury had become really acute; he lost his next match against Federer, and that was the end of what he has called his "first career".

Three times now Haas has just missed out on the TMC, he was favoured to get there in 2001 but Grosjean pipped him to the post and he finished 9th in the race the following year, now a similar story. I think his angry reaction to not converting that breakpoint at 3-2 when he lost a long rally affected him badly, he was so demonstrative that maybe his muscles tensed up and we saw the result. This bubbling aggression has been his undoing in the past too, other hyperactive, "fidgety" players like Hewitt and Roddick get fired up but have never suffered from physical problems because of their demeanour.

Sjengster
11-04-2006, 07:57 PM
Haas did play once at the YEC, in 99, although it wasn't called TMC back then.

Actually the field then was Sampras, Agassi, Kafelnikov, Kuerten, Enqvist, Martin, Kiefer and Lapentti. Kiefer got to play in front of his home fans, though.

enqvistfan
11-04-2006, 07:58 PM
Poor Tommy :( I was on spot and it was very painful to watch. He couldn't move . So sad for him, he deserved to go further !!

DrJules
11-04-2006, 08:02 PM
When are details of the groups released?

thrust
11-04-2006, 08:14 PM
Sounds like a typical Haas performance. Glad Blake gets to go to Shanghai!

leng jai
11-04-2006, 09:52 PM
What is this fucken bullshit bad luck? I'm really tired of Tommy's poor luck...

WF4EVER
11-04-2006, 11:32 PM
Nope, he beat him from a set down, 6-7, 6-4, 6-4, and this was when the shoulder injury had become really acute; he lost his next match against Federer, and that was the end of what he has called his "first career".



Thx for correcting me. I obviously read the h2h incorrectly.

disturb3d
11-05-2006, 12:44 AM
Haas was as stiff as a board, and Hrbaty came to play.
He had no chance today.

aussie_fan
11-05-2006, 03:18 AM
Bad luck Tommy, sad you had to go out that way.

Happy for James though. :)

TennisGrandSlam
11-05-2006, 04:26 AM
Blake :) :) :)

R.Federer
11-05-2006, 04:26 AM
Haas, I wonder if he'll be remembered for the streaks of bad luck he has faced in his career. The shoulder injury, parents' accident, trip on ball accident, *just* missing out on T.M.C more than once, etc.

Nevertheless, great to have both James and Roddick come through for the U.S.

leng jai
11-05-2006, 04:31 AM
Don't forget the Aus Open Semifinal where he was clearly going to win against Safin who was completely gone physically, but was saved by a rain delay. The worst thing is he went to lose the final to Tojo...

R.Federer
11-05-2006, 04:38 AM
Yes, that semi final in Melbourne too. But, how much of that was bad luck and how much was Tommy's own undoing when he saw the finish line so close, we don't know. The other accidents, his and parents, are just really unfortunate, timing as well as occurrence.

Action Jackson
11-05-2006, 05:09 AM
Yes, that semi final in Melbourne too. But, how much of that was bad luck and how much was Tommy's own undoing when he saw the finish line so close, we don't know. The other accidents, his and parents, are just really unfortunate, timing as well as occurrence.

Injuries happen and the accident to his parents well that was unfortunate, but bringing up rain delays pale into comparison on a scale of bad luck.

He even looked more irritable than usual on court, so if he had a stomach bug then that is not surprising it would lead to irritability.

~EMiLiTA~
11-05-2006, 05:50 AM
sad for him, but congrats to james for qualifying

if stupid marat hadn't lost to him in the QF he could have still been in this tournament :rolleyes:

Exodus
11-05-2006, 06:09 AM
i had a feeling that haas would lose to dommy. why didn't he retire against safin

Experimentee
11-05-2006, 06:17 AM
Congrats Dominik :woohoo:
Now beat Davydenko and win the title!

James :D Kick ass in Shanghai!

Tommy :rolleyes: He should have finished the match instead of retiring for such a poor excuse. He was probably scared of getting bagelled by Hrbaty like he did 3 weeks ago.

leng jai
11-05-2006, 06:32 AM
Yes I'm sure that was the case...

enqvistfan
11-05-2006, 09:18 AM
Tommy :rolleyes: He should have finished the match instead of retiring for such a poor excuse. He was probably scared of getting bagelled by Hrbaty like he did 3 weeks ago.

I'd say the same thing for Gasquet when he withdrew against Safin. He even didn't try to play, Tommy, at least, played one set :)

TommyB.
11-05-2006, 09:31 AM
Poor excuse? :rolleyes: Tommy is sick (virus)..that's the reason and nothing else!!

Naranoc
11-05-2006, 09:33 AM
^ Yep. According to the BBC site he has Gastroenteritis.

~EMiLiTA~
11-05-2006, 09:35 AM
^ Yep. According to the BBC site he has Gastroenteritis.

gosh, must be doing the rounds or something...isn't that what nalbandian has too?

Naranoc
11-05-2006, 09:43 AM
Yeah, it is... :unsure:

enqvistfan
11-05-2006, 10:17 AM
^ Yep. According to the BBC site he has Gastroenteritis.

With a gastro, I wonder how he played one set. When yourself you have a gastro, you even can go out from your home and prefer staying in bed.

Tommy was courageous to come to play, at least to respect the audience and his fans.

Get well soon Tommy :hug:

galadriel
11-05-2006, 10:48 AM
Tommy :sad:

mickymouse
11-05-2006, 12:04 PM
He should be fined for cheating the fans. As John Barret said (sort of) "What changed for Haas after taking the court, other than getting his ass kicked?


He wasn't having his ass kicked. The match was close up to the point when he decided to retire.