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Acing Arizona (The Scottsdale thread)

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Deboogle!.
02-27-2004, 01:30 AM
Calling all creative Andy fans, need a cool title for this thread and I could not think of anything creative and witty to go with Scottsdale or Arizona or Desert or etc. Or we could go in the direction of the fact that the tourney takes place at the Princess Resort and we could make fun of him :p

Anyway. Give your suggestions. And an article for your time :cool:

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Heating Up in Scottsdale
By: Sarah Alvanipour
AndyRoddick.com

Things are getting hot in Scottsdale, Ariz., and it's not just the temperature. Next week the Arizona Men’s Tennis Championships will be held at the Fairmont Scottsdale Princess resort for the fourteenth time since the event was held there in 1991.
The 32-man draw will be announced on Saturday, February 28, 2004 at noon. US Open champion Andy Roddick is expected to receive the honor of top seed as he is the top-most ranked player entering the event. If Roddick is seeded first, it will be the fifth time the American receives the honor in the five tournaments he has played thus far this season.

Andy will have some friendly competition, however. The 2002 champion, Andre Agassi, along with a slew of American players including Robbi Ginepri, Brian Vahaly, James Blake, Vince Spadea, and Jan-Michael Gambill, will challenge Roddick at the Franklin Templeton Tennis Classic, where play will officially commence Monday March 1 -7, 2004.

As an international series tournament, it will award $35,000 and 35 Race points to the winner. Andy must do well here if he wants to secure his position on the Champions Race leader board since many of the other top-ranked players will simultaneously be competing at the Dubai Duty Free Open in Dubai, U.A.E. The Dubai tourney, which is the one of the main attractions in the Middle East, offers 60 points to its winner and over $100,000 in prize money.

Scottsdale, however, affords players the advantage of adjusting to the time and climate of the southwestern United States, which is excellent preparation for the season’s grandest tournament since the Australian Open, the Pacific Life Open in Indian Wells, Calif. which takes place the following week.

Although Roddick will be competing in his first Scottsdale tourney, he can still draw on the experience of his coach, Brad Gilbert, who won the title in Arizona in 1987.

tangerine_dream
02-27-2004, 01:35 AM
How about:

Scorching [or Burning Up] the court in Scottsdale? :shrug:

Deboogle!.
02-27-2004, 01:37 AM
hmmmmm I like "Burning up the Court in Scottsdale"

Q, whatcha got?

mind you the forecast for next week, atm, is for 3 days of rain and weather that doesn't get out of the 60s :fiery:

star
02-27-2004, 01:43 AM
Acing Arizona

Scorching Scottsdale

Andy does Arizona


Oh ....... and Deb, I don't envy you! You probably know already how cold it can get at night in the desert. brrrrrrrr.

I've been watching the weather in Palm Desert. I see that it will be warming up next week and I am so happy. I have frozen to death at IW many many nights. One year we were wraping ourselves in blankets.

Deboogle!.
02-27-2004, 01:46 AM
ohhhhhh I like Acing Arizona!!!


and yea, this is the earliest we've ever been to AZ. Last year it was a week later, and we had lovely weather except for a couple days. I'm sure we'll be fine, even at night. I don't get cold easily anyway so with long pants and a light jacket I'm sure I'll be fine :)

It's rain I'm worried about more than anything :mad:

MisterQ
02-27-2004, 04:02 AM
I like Acing Arizona!

Or it could be, "Roddick, Queen of the Desert"

tangerine_dream
02-27-2004, 04:06 AM
LOL, Q!

Acing Arizona sounds great to me. :yeah:

Deboogle!.
02-27-2004, 04:15 AM
LMFAO!!!!!

Ok then, Acing Arizona it is :)

star
02-27-2004, 05:08 AM
I was thinking of that Queen of the Desert thing too, Q!!!

But I was thinking Princess of the Desert because of the resort, and I didn't really like that... Just the plain Queen of the Desert is good. :)

For IW, we are going to need another desert name.

Deboogle!.
02-27-2004, 05:14 AM
you can use Queen of the Desert for IW ;) :lol:

J. Corwin
02-27-2004, 09:47 AM
both are good names (the acing AZ and Queen of the Desert thing)

tangerine_dream
02-29-2004, 04:59 PM
Andy will play John Van Lottum of the Netherlands first round, Monday.

I have no idea who this guy is or what kind of player he is. How does he stack against Andy, anyone know?

star
02-29-2004, 06:12 PM
Van Lottum is a journeyman. He's been a pro since 1994. Born 1976. He's had a few good results... in particular, he got to the 4th round of Wimby in 1998.

He's ranked 89. I understand he's a big server. He gave Guga a 5 set match at the AO this year. Went 3 sets with Ferrero at Rotterdam.

star
02-29-2004, 06:13 PM
And I think it's nice that he was born in Madacascar, is Dutch, and lives in Belgium (Antwerp)
:)

star
02-29-2004, 06:18 PM
Ok... I just noticed that he is listed at 6'3" and weighs 145.... :eek:

that is skinny!!

star
02-29-2004, 06:25 PM
There's a thread on JVL here.

I copied this from it.

Birthdate: Saturday, April 10, 1976 (so he's 26-years-old)
Birthplace: Madagascar (French mom, Dutch dad)
Plays: Right
Year Turned Pro: 1994

He prefers to stick to the baseline, has a good serve and moves around the court very well. John considers his forehand return as his best weapon. Off the court, he enjoys playing soccer and driving nice cars.

There are lots of pictures of him there. He's a good looking guy.

Havok
02-29-2004, 07:50 PM
his name sounds familiar:scratch:
anyways his projected opponents to the finals
1st- Van Lottum
2nd-Qualie, Bogomolov Jr.
QF-Dent(5), Gambill, Burgsmuller
SF- Spadea(4), Blake(6), T. Johansson, Ancic(maybe)
F- Verkerk(2) (WHAT is he afraid of playing his fellow europeans :p), Ferreira (8), Ginepri (3), Kiefer (7), and maybe a Karlovic/Malisse, but that's really pushing it

if he gets through Van Lottum, he should get to the finals with relative ease. i just hope his back is doing well:yeah:
and hey wasnt Agassi supposed to play here?:scratch:

star
02-29-2004, 08:04 PM
Agassi and the Williams Sisters...... You never quite know when they are going to show up. :)

Agassi hasn't had such good luck in Scottsdale. He's used to the desert conditions since he plays in Las Vegas. I think that's probably enough for him.

My guess is that right now Andre is reevaluating his tennis. I don't expect to see him staying around if he can't compete in the top five of the men's game.

Fedex
02-29-2004, 08:38 PM
I was just wondering why andy plays in all these little american tourneys that offer very little, if he wants to improve his game?? Why doesnt he play in tournements with Federer, Henman and David,so he can improve his game. I mean look who Andy draws in the 1st rd. And Look who Federer draws in his 1st rd. Safin. If Federer beats Safin, then that win will prepare him for his Qtr. Final with Henman , and his semi with Nalbandian. Whereas Roddick wont be prepared after his 1st rd. if some good Serve-Volley type player plays him.He wont improve beating players he already knows he can beat is what i mean. And also i know many of you here like calling Nalbandian a "baby", but i have seen Roddick play in tourneys, and he will throw raquets, scream when his opponent hits a winner event though he hit a 'good return', and will complain about close line calls. Yes, David will complain about line calls sometimes, but he would never throw his raquet and scream all the time! Just making a few points ;)

Havok
02-29-2004, 09:05 PM
ok Fedex, lets say they were a shitload of tournaments played in Switzerland while other tournaments around the world were going on, do you think Roger would opt NOT to play in them and go play somewhere else? didn't think so;) and the points value is THE SAME THING. the ONLY reason Roger is facing Safin in the 1st round is because Safin didn't enter in the tournament fast enough, so he needed a wildcard, then it was just luck of the draw. and PLEASE tell me how a win over Safin will help Roger in his potential quarterfinal matchup vs Henman??? Safin is all out power, while henman is pure serv/volley. ugh think a little bit more sometimes. oh and btw you don't necesarilly have to play people to imrpove, you need to imrpove on your own, that's what practices are for;) and about the baby thing in regards to David, that was just a little fun Tangerine was having, and it's been a while since anyone has done it. and get your facst straight Andy doesn't yell and scream and throw racquets all the time, that's just your take on it. first thing's first, how about watching matches and paying attention to them. obviously you got some severe selective memory. Andy only yells at himself, he never yells at his opponents. yeah he argues close line calls, but guess what pretty much everyone does it. oh and just to note, he's right ALL THE TIME;) and another thing, the baby david thing wasn't because he throws racquets, it was because of something else.:wavey:

tangerine_dream
02-29-2004, 09:16 PM
*yawn* Go away, Fedex, and quit trolling this board. :rolleyes:

star, I just read that Andre pulled out of Scottsdale because of a hip injury he sustained during the Fish match in Siebel. :eek: That sucks, because Andre had a great chance of getting a win out of this tourney. :sad:

I'm curious as to why Lleyton Hewitt isn't playing anywhere this week, especially since he is defending champion of Scottsdale? He's a mystery, that boy is. :p

Havok
02-29-2004, 09:30 PM
maybe he wan't to defend some major ass points at Indian Wells. he's the defending champ, and imo he's got to go through at least 2 top guys to win it, and his seeding won't favor him so much

Fedex
02-29-2004, 09:35 PM
I'm sorry clearly you dont understand! :( If Roddick hardly plays in any tournaments (cept. for the big ones) that have Roger, Tim, and David in it, he wont be prepared when he faces them in majors. And Tangerine, please stop pretending to be a fan of Federer. You put him in youre Avater so it seems as though you like all the big players, so then everyone respects you. From day 1, i clearly stated that i am a Federer fan, and dont like Andy. You need to stop pretending to be a fan of him.

Fedex
02-29-2004, 09:38 PM
Many of you are also fans of potato (figures) . You think he's back because he beat an inconfident Henman and a tired Ferrero?? He is not amoung the alite and will not win a major title like the Pacific Life Open or a major ;)

star
02-29-2004, 09:44 PM
*yawn* Go away, Fedex, and quit trolling this board. :rolleyes:

star, I just read that Andre pulled out of Scottsdale because of a hip injury he sustained during the Fish match in Siebel. :eek: That sucks, because Andre had a great chance of getting a win out of this tourney. :sad:

I'm curious as to why Lleyton Hewitt isn't playing anywhere this week, especially since he is defending champion of Scottsdale? He's a mystery, that boy is. :p

Lleyton is having a little rest this week and having a good time in Brie with his future wife playing an exhibition. They're calling it the "love match." Then they will both come over to the states at the same time. Lleyton can practice on the IW courts while Kimmie starts the women's tournament. And he'll have time to play golf too.

Lleyton is trying to play a more sensible schedule because he's been advised by doctors to do so (something to do with some immune deficiency) Otherwise he winds up burnt to a nubbin.

star
02-29-2004, 09:47 PM
and :haha: :haha: :haha:

to the idea that Tangy would say that she likes someone so that people on this board would have more respect for her. :haha:

star
02-29-2004, 09:47 PM
I'm a thinkin' that someone has a little too much water retention today. ;)

Fedex
02-29-2004, 09:53 PM
You can laugh at the truth all you want, but you cant ignore it.

star
02-29-2004, 10:08 PM
Sometimes the truth is funny. But sometimes what somebody thinks is the truth is pretty funny too.

You need to get a little grip on reality. In this place we cheer for Andy because we like him, and it doesn't have anything to do with whether he's going to win IW or a major or anything like that. Everyone around here just wants him to do the best he can and be the best person he can be.

I can't think why Federer's fans are so grim and lack a sense of humor. It's no wonder his fans can't really think Tangy likes him. She's irreverent to players she likes. Look at the threads she's started here and in the Andre forum. She doesn't pretend that the players she likes are god.

J. Corwin
02-29-2004, 11:08 PM
So that's why I didn't see Andre's name when I just printed out the draw. Bummer. Now all of my support goes to Andy. ;)

J. Corwin
02-29-2004, 11:08 PM
Oh and you would think they'd announce Andre pulling out on their website. I looked around for the news as to why he isn't on the draw...to no avail. I didn't find out what happened until I came into here.

star
02-29-2004, 11:11 PM
This is where it's happening, baby!

J. Corwin
02-29-2004, 11:18 PM
No worries, I know where the action's at!

Havok
03-01-2004, 12:20 AM
um Fedex, how about telling Roger to BEAT henman in order to beat him in a Slam. and Andy's fully capable of beating top players at Slams and in the big events. K.

WyveN
03-01-2004, 12:50 AM
the ONLY reason Roger is facing Safin in the 1st round is because Safin didn't enter in the tournament fast enough, so he needed a wildcard, then it was just luck of the draw.

Safin being a wildcard entry has nothing to do with him playing Roger in the first round. The only reason they are playing is because Safin is ranked in the 30s.

Havok
03-01-2004, 12:58 AM
NO, if Marat entered in the tournament properly,ie. on time, he wouldn't have needed the wildcard, therefore he wouldn't have played vs Federer 1st round. there are quite a few players who are ranked lower than Safin, so he wold have been able to enter based on his current rank:wavey::p

Fedex
03-01-2004, 01:26 AM
Yes, and guess what it he's drawn Henman again in the Qtr's of Dubai, so nows his chance to beat him before a slam. Now that i think of it he's drawn Henman in his last few tournaments since Paris last year, including at the Australian Open. But like i said the more he plays Roger and Tim, the more opportunites he will have to beat them, which means playing in more european tourneys. Not always 'hiding' from them, to avoid playing them cause he wont be able to do that in a major ;)

WyveN
03-01-2004, 01:31 AM
NO, if Marat entered in the tournament properly,ie. on time, he wouldn't have needed the wildcard, therefore he wouldn't have played vs Federer 1st round. there are quite a few players who are ranked lower than Safin, so he wold have been able to enter based on his current rank:wavey::p


Marat is ranked 30th. The only way he could avoid the lottery of the draw (hence escape the chance to meet Federer) is if he was seeded. The last seed (8th) went to Schalken who is ranked 15th.

If Safin wasn't a wildcard, what exactly would have changed?

Havok
03-01-2004, 01:32 AM
ok he isn't "hiding" from anyone. i used an example before with tourneys played in switzerland and where Roger would commit to. it's only normal that Roger would play the tournies in Switzerland. oh and if Andy is "hiding" from players, then that means that Agassi wanted to 'hide" as well, but he pulled out with an injury. and another thing, it's not like all the top players get into a huge group and schedule their year together, and try to avoid one another. Scottsdale last year had Lleyton and Mark in it, BOTH top 10 players, but they didn't come back this year. were they hiding from players as well:tape: stop trolling threads, get a life, and tell Roger to beat Henman. and it doesn't matter how many times you face someone before the slams, it doesn't mean that they'll beat them when it comes to the slams. it depends on who is better on such a day:rolleyes:

Havok
03-01-2004, 01:36 AM
Marat is ranked 30th. The only way he could avoid the lottery of the draw (hence escape the chance to meet Federer) is if he was seeded. The last seed (8th) went to Schalken who is ranked 15th.

If Safin wasn't a wildcard, what exactly would have changed?
UGH Roger would have played a WC in this tournament, regardless of who this WC was. so if Safin entered properly, he wouldn't have been a WC, therefore he wouldn't have been one of the WC's who had a chance at facing ROger in the 1st round. aren't the WC placed last when doing the draws??? if they aren't then i apologize, because that's how i thought draws were done. the top 2 seeds placed in oposite draws, then its drawing the seeds, then drawing the regular players, then throwing in the qualifiers/wc , am i right?

Fedex
03-01-2004, 01:55 AM
He does. He just wants to avoid the certain players he has trouble with in a majority of the tournements he plays in!! Because he knows if he played in more tournements with Roger & Tim in it he wouldent win many titles. I mean look whos seeded 2nd at his current one. Verkerk!!! Yes what an acomplishment, winning carrer title #13, by beating Verkerk, whos the biggest challenge in the tournement, in the final. He likes playing in tournements where he can beat up on the other players. Where is Verkerk in the rankings 20-30!! Whereas Federer has quite a few players in the top 10 in his tournements. Why should i waist time on a stupid fuck such as youreself???

tangerine_dream
03-01-2004, 02:28 AM
I can't think why Federer's fans are so grim and lack a sense of humor. It's no wonder his fans can't really think Tangy likes him. She's irreverent to players she likes. Look at the threads she's started here and in the Andre forum. She doesn't pretend that the players she likes are god.

Sadly, this is exactly why I don't like to hang out in Roger's forum all that much. It's jampacked full of fanatical idiots like Fedex, Dirk, RogiFan, and a few others who have *zero* sense of humor and think that if you don't think Roger walks on water, then you're not a "true" fan. Are they for real? LOL. Their behavior is ridiculously pathetic and borders on the psychotic that it's really sad how a great player like Roger attracks so many braindead minions like those people. :eek:

And I've also noticed that, unlike the posters in the Andy forum, the Fanatical Fed Freaks (as I call the unstable types over there) can't seem to sing Roger's praises without constantly trashing other players *cough*Andy*cough* in the process. They betray their insecurity in Roger by doing so. Which is something I just don't get. He's an awesome player. Andy's an awesome player. And I don't have to constantly trash other players to know so and feel better about my favorite players. :)

So that's why I didn't see Andre's name when I just printed out the draw. Bummer. Now all of my support goes to Andy.

Jackson, you should know by now to come here first to get all the breaking news! :lol:

um Fedex, how about telling Roger to BEAT henman in order to beat him in a Slam. and Andy's fully capable of beating top players at Slams and in the big events. K.

Naldo, you would know this: is Andy fully owned by someone the way Roger is? The only one I can think of is Hewitt but they haven't met in quite a while. :scratch:

Fedex
03-01-2004, 02:31 AM
He is and always will be owned by Federer :retard: I mean its quite obvious.

WyveN
03-01-2004, 02:33 AM
Naldo, WCs are not pre placed in the draw but are randomly placed just like all the other non seeded entrants at the same time.
The only ones who are pre placed are the qualifiers as at the time the main draw is made, the qualifying tournament has usually not finished

Fedex
03-01-2004, 02:35 AM
He is also owned by Andre. So theres at least 3: Federer, Hewitt, Andre!!

WyveN
03-01-2004, 02:38 AM
Roddick also has bad records against Haas & Schuettler.

WyveN
03-01-2004, 02:43 AM
And I don't have to constantly trash other players to know so and feel better about myself


Yet you just thrashed other members of the forum. :rolleyes: If your going to post direct attacks on people how about doing it in a place where they are likely to read it and can defend themselves.

It is quite obvious some Federer fans are completely biased (just like some Roddick fans are to) but what is the point of such posts?

andyroxmysox12191
03-01-2004, 03:18 AM
ok people!!!!!!!!! i've been watching this thread for the past couple hours and all i hear is bickering from everyone! an quite frankly i'm just saddened by all of u. all u roger fans or maybe just fedex and wyven, since your the ones doing this, i don't know u all that well and maybe i never will but i just have a question. why do u all come here if ur just going to put down andy fans or andy? first of all andy has done nothing to u so just leave the guy alone and go back to praising roger or whoever the hell it is that u all may like. and this is a ANDY forum as many of u all may know. now i'm not a andy crazed person or anything and i do like roger and many other players as well so don't think i'm just sticking up for andy cause i like him. no it's not cause of that. the only reason i'm doing this is because it's just sad that adults (not like myself since i am younger than all of u) like all of u are going back and forth biting each others heads off. btw, if anyone of u respond in any negative way to me then that's just sad cause i'm only 13 and then u'd just be looking like an idiot cause u got mom-ed by a 13 year old.
anyway......let's just go back to talking bout scottsdale since this IS a scottsdale thread.

ps. i dont want to make any enemies cause i like this place a lot but this was just getting way outta hand to me. you're all adults basically so act like it. and for all of u people that don't get tangy's or anyone elses sense of humor....start hanging around people who have that type of humor. i'm younger than everyone and i get it so u should too.
ok....i'm done for tonight. have a good night everyone(it's nighttime over here in NJ)
o yeah and could u stop bringing in who andy has a bad record against.......so not worth it...
night everyone and let's have this thread dedicated to scottsdale and not putting down someone who did nothing to u. bye!

WyveN
03-01-2004, 03:27 AM
all u roger fans or maybe just fedex and wyven, since your the ones doing this


What exactly am I doing?
. why do u all come here if ur just going to put down andy fans or andy?


Where did I put Andy down or his fans?


btw, if anyone of u respond in any negative way to me then that's just sad cause i'm only 13 and then u'd just be looking like an idiot cause u got mom-ed by a 13 year old.


All is excused! lol

MisterQ
03-01-2004, 03:35 AM
Mommy Roxmysox has spoken! ;)

andyroxmysox12191
03-01-2004, 03:36 AM
ok...i know some things didnt make sense and i wasnt exactly directing it to u i just saw ur name and started typing it since i'm doing this in a quick message. not an excuse. i'm just asking if we could just go back the scottsdale thread instead of this back and forth fighting thing or whatever u wanna call it going on. so please excuse me on some points...and i take back the names i used because i really wasn't directing it to u. i basically only did that because i got frustrated and i had 2 take it out on someone so sorry...
and Q...*shakes head* you're one of the many that makes me laugh so hard here :)

tangerine_dream
03-01-2004, 03:55 AM
Yet you just thrashed other members of the forum. :rolleyes: If your going to post direct attacks on people how about doing it in a place where they are likely to read it and can defend themselves.


Sorry, but I don't usually make a habit of trashing players OR posters in their forums just for the hell of it (unlike Fedex; how interesting and very telling that you criticize me for defending my Andy space but not her for trolling a board for the sake of trolling...hmm :scratch: ). :rolleyes: I haven't trashed anybody here who hasn't already trolled this board to trash Andy and his fans so you can stop worrying now. I'm sure they don't need you to stick up for them.

So, you can now STFU and move along if you have nothing of interest to add to the Andy boards. We don't need (or welcome) any more useless trolls. Thanks. Buh-bye now. :bigwave:

Fedex
03-01-2004, 04:06 AM
Well i have a party to attend with my wife, so i wont be TROLLING threads for a few hours, for the sake of tangerine!!

Mr. Man
03-01-2004, 04:07 AM
"Acing Arizona" eh. I like that.

C'Mon Andy! I want to see some ass kicking!

Fedex
03-01-2004, 04:08 AM
Yet you were the people to accept Reality Ryan, the king of trolling!!

tangerine_dream
03-01-2004, 04:14 AM
Yet you were the people to accept Reality Ryan, the king of trolling!!

Um, nobody here really "accepted" RealityRyan, we just tolerated him (for as long as we could hold out) and I recall even you gleefully posting that us Andy fans were reasonable enough to see what a nut he was. You can't have it both ways, Fedex.

BTW, you're a married MAN? Your poor wife. Does she know she's married to a 12-year-old halfwit?

WyveN
03-01-2004, 04:23 AM
Sorry, but I don't usually make a habit of trashing players OR posters in their forums just for the hell of it (unlike Fedex; how interesting and very telling that you criticize me for defending my Andy space


I have criticised Fedex quite a number of times.

Show me where he says something along the lines of "Their behavior is ridiculously pathetic and borders on the psychotic that it's really sad how a great player like Roger attracks so many braindead minions like those people." about andy fans and I will criticise him as well


So, you can now STFU and move along if you have nothing of interest to add to the Andy boards. We don't need (or welcome) any more useless trolls. Thanks. Buh-bye now. :bigwave:

Keep up the rants, I love it.

star
03-01-2004, 04:26 AM
ok people!!!!!!!!! i've been watching this thread for the past couple hours and all i hear is bickering from everyone! an quite frankly i'm just saddened by all of u. all u roger fans or maybe just fedex and wyven, since your the ones doing this, i don't know u all that well and maybe i never will but i just have a question. why do u all come here if ur just going to put down andy fans or andy? first of all andy has done nothing to u so just leave the guy alone and go back to praising roger or whoever the hell it is that u all may like. and this is a ANDY forum as many of u all may know. now i'm not a andy crazed person or anything and i do like roger and many other players as well so don't think i'm just sticking up for andy cause i like him. no it's not cause of that. the only reason i'm doing this is because it's just sad that adults (not like myself since i am younger than all of u) like all of u are going back and forth biting each others heads off. btw, if anyone of u respond in any negative way to me then that's just sad cause i'm only 13 and then u'd just be looking like an idiot cause u got mom-ed by a 13 year old.
anyway......let's just go back to talking bout scottsdale since this IS a scottsdale thread.

ps. i dont want to make any enemies cause i like this place a lot but this was just getting way outta hand to me. you're all adults basically so act like it. and for all of u people that don't get tangy's or anyone elses sense of humor....start hanging around people who have that type of humor. i'm younger than everyone and i get it so u should too.
ok....i'm done for tonight. have a good night everyone(it's nighttime over here in NJ)
o yeah and could u stop bringing in who andy has a bad record against.......so not worth it...
night everyone and let's have this thread dedicated to scottsdale and not putting down someone who did nothing to u. bye!


:haha: :haha:

:worship:

You are a pearl! :)

star
03-01-2004, 04:28 AM
Well i have a party to attend with my wife, so i wont be TROLLING threads for a few hours, for the sake of tangerine!!

ohmygod! I always thought Fedex was a WOMAN.

:o

star
03-01-2004, 04:32 AM
Shame on people who can't be shamed by a 13 year old.

;)

tangerine_dream
03-01-2004, 04:38 AM
I have criticised Fedex quite a number of times.
Show me where he says something along the lines of "Their behavior is ridiculously pathetic and borders on the psychotic that it's really sad how a great player like Roger attracks so many braindead minions like those people." about andy fans and I will criticise him as well
Keep up the rants, I love it.

Notice he dances around my parenthetical comment avoiding my original point all together? Uh-huh.

Keep up the hypocrisy WyveN. Love it.

Fedex
03-01-2004, 04:39 AM
Well, i'm just about to leave. My response to youre thoughts: I guess, this has to do with the fact that i come from some british heritage, and my vocabulary, is far to intense, for dumb fucks such as youreselves to comprehend!!

WyveN
03-01-2004, 04:45 AM
(unlike Fedex; how interesting and very telling that you criticize me for defending my Andy space but not her for trolling a board for the sake of trolling...hmm :scratch: ).

Up until his very latest post Fedex was not insulting posters here but making comments about Andy, something he is allowed to do on a Andy forum.

tangerine_dream
03-01-2004, 04:46 AM
Shame on people who can't be shamed by a 13 year old.
;)

OK, Mommysox has spoken! I'm going off to bed like a good girl now. :lol:

WyveN
03-01-2004, 04:47 AM
Notice he dances around my parenthetical comment avoiding my original point all together? Uh-huh.


Who are you talking to? we are not in front of a audience.
if you want to continue this delightful discussion, you can PM me

star
03-01-2004, 04:52 AM
OK, Mommysox has spoken! I'm going off to bed like a good girl now. :lol:

:kiss:

Nighty night. :)

star
03-01-2004, 04:55 AM
Well, i'm just about to leave. My response to youre thoughts: I guess, this has to do with the fact that i come from some british heritage, and my vocabulary, is far to intense, for dumb fucks such as youreselves to comprehend!!

your

I'm

British

yourselves

J. Corwin
03-01-2004, 10:37 AM
your

I'm

British

yourselves


you forgot "too"

;)


Quite sad that a married man such as Fedex has the written sophistication of a 12 year old. (Am I being too generous here?)

Sorry...I'm going through male PMS

jtipson
03-01-2004, 11:29 AM
NO, if Marat entered in the tournament properly,ie. on time, he wouldn't have needed the wildcard, therefore he wouldn't have played vs Federer 1st round. there are quite a few players who are ranked lower than Safin, so he wold have been able to enter based on his current rank:wavey::p

I believe Marat did require a wildcard to get in at Dubai. Cut was at 79 (Ulihrach), and at the point the entry lists closed, six weeks before the start (19th Jan) Marat was ranked 86th. So he had to have a wildcard, or he would have had to qualify. It's probably the same for Indian Wells next week, where Entry is based on the same week (no new rankings on 26th Jan), although he is most likely to be seeded there (32 seeds).

Dubai is so well attended that even if Marat had been in the top 20, he wouldn't have got a seed. Doesn't matter if he's a wildcard or not, seeding goes according to previous week's entry ranking. As somebody already said, Schalken got the last seed, and he's a lot higher than Safin.

Anyway, that's just a side issue.


With regard to the main topic here, I think Andy is very wise to play in Scottsdale this week. Although he can't gain many points (55 at the most) and he doesn't have tough opposition, he does get to play in similar conditions to Indian Wells, and doesn't have the overhead of travelling a long distance next week. That must be an advantage going into a TMS.

star
03-01-2004, 12:59 PM
I agree. The scheduling is crazy. I see that some of the South Americans are flying from S.A. to Dubai and then back to the U.S. for the TMS. That's kind of rough.

I don't really get the criticsm for not playing in Dubai. I'm sure appearance money is the reason for a lot of players going there, and I'm sure the Scottsdale organizers wish for pockets so deep that they could attract the stars as well.

South Americans aren't criticized for supporting the tournaments down there although they are played on clay and are not the best preparation for the mini-N.A. hard court season.

star
03-01-2004, 01:02 PM
you forgot "too"

;)


Quite sad that a married man such as Fedex has the written sophistication of a 12 year old. (Am I being too generous here?)

Sorry...I'm going through male PMS

Water retention is hell. :)

And isn't Andyroxmysox the greatest ever???

Havok
03-01-2004, 01:36 PM
Naldo, WCs are not pre placed in the draw but are randomly placed just like all the other non seeded entrants at the same time.
The only ones who are pre placed are the qualifiers as at the time the main draw is made, the qualifying tournament has usually not finished
ahah, so sorry about that i take it all back. thanks for clearing it up for me:wavey:

Havok
03-01-2004, 01:40 PM
Well, i'm just about to leave. My response to youre thoughts: I guess, this has to do with the fact that i come from some british heritage, and my vocabulary, is far to intense, for dumb fucks such as youreselves to comprehend!!
cannot comprehend:scratch:
words to big to process:retard:
MALFUCTIONING!!!!!! MALFUNCTIONING!!!!!!!!!!!!:scared:
:timebomb::timebomb::timebomb:

star
03-01-2004, 01:50 PM
:hug: :hug: :hug:

Naldo... stop reading. no no no... Your (or youre) poor little mind is too (to) weak!! You mustn't overtax it.

tangerine_dream
03-01-2004, 03:56 PM
With regard to the main topic here, I think Andy is very wise to play in Scottsdale this week. Although he can't gain many points (55 at the most) and he doesn't have tough opposition, he does get to play in similar conditions to Indian Wells, and doesn't have the overhead of travelling a long distance next week. That must be an advantage going into a TMS.

Hi jtipson :wavey: Nice to see a voice of reason from outside the AR forum for once. ;)

Personally, I don't see what the big deal about Andy playing Arizona is. Hasn't it occurred to anybody that he's playing Arizona because it's in America, where he lives, and therefore he does not have to travel far and can spend more time with his girlfriend and family?

I mean...hello...this is why most of the Europeans are playing tourneys in Europe and most of the latinos are playing tourneys in South America. Duh! (that was for the clueless ones who actually claim Andy is "afraid" of playing certain players; it wasn't directed at you jt :lol: )

tangerine_dream
03-01-2004, 03:58 PM
cannot comprehend:scratch:
words to big to process:retard:
MALFUCTIONING!!!!!! MALFUNCTIONING!!!!!!!!!!!!:scared:
:timebomb::timebomb::timebomb:

:haha: :haha: :haha:

MisterQ
03-01-2004, 04:01 PM
Looks like Naldo needs an upgrade! :lol:

tangerine_dream
03-01-2004, 04:04 PM
Up until his very latest post Fedex was not insulting posters here but making comments about Andy, something he is allowed to do on a Andy forum.

He was making stupid comments about Andy which no one is allowed to do on the Andy forum. We like intelligent conversations, not arguments born of sniggering instigation that Fedex offers up.

He was also making stupid comments about why Roger is in my avatar, which is also not allowed in the Andy forum. (I'm still not convinced he's really a married man and not a 12-year-old girl hijacking her parents' computer).

Dead weight devil's advocates like yourself are not allowed to speak for me or anyone else here in the Andy forum.

Stick to the subject at hand (Which, for clarification, is: Andy playing in Scottsdale, Arizona), or continue to amaze us with your tennis knowledge. Otherwise, buzz off. :angel:

If I want to deal with judgemental azzholes, I'll visit GM. Thanks very much. :p

Deboogle!.
03-01-2004, 04:44 PM
hmmphhhhh I'm gone for a couple days and come back to see a thread totally ruined. :rolleyes:

Andyway, I'm here in Scottsdale, getting really excited (and praying the weather holds up so it doesn't get messed up!!)

I was dying to know the draw all day Saturday, and they didn't mention it at all on the news Saturday night when we got here. but alas! We got a Sunday paper yesterday and the draw was in it (on the next to the last page of the sports section, mind you) plus a little blurb about Andre. He pulled out with a hip injury. I'm pretty bummed about that b/c I was hoping to see him, of course, but oh well. not to be. And I also see the dubs draw that the Bryans are not playing, again oh well, not to be.

And Andy's interview at the scottsdale site is a bit disconcerting, he's not 100% it doesn't sound like, but if he's ok enough to play well, he should kind of win this tournament pretty easily lol. When I saw the draw I just laughed.

Anyway... now I need a bit of advice. If matches begin at 10am what time should I be there? (I'm not driving, just being dropped off) Same with the night session, if matches start at 6:30, what's the best time to arrive? I've never done this before, LOL!!!!

tangerine_dream
03-01-2004, 05:09 PM
hmmphhhhh I'm gone for a couple days and come back to see a thread totally ruined. :rolleyes:

Haha. See what happens when you leave, bunk? All hell breaks loose. :banana:

I was dying to know the draw all day Saturday, and they didn't mention it at all on the news Saturday night when we got here. but alas! We got a Sunday paper yesterday and the draw was in it (on the next to the last page of the sports section, mind you) plus a little blurb about Andre.

Yeah, I was bummed about Andre having to pull out, too, and I'm sure the tournament promoter is having fits right now over it.

And the Scottsdale site blows. They didn't post any news or draw list until the last minute and as far as I can tell, they won't be having any live video streams or audio clips. Hope I'm wrong.

And Andy's interview at the scottsdale site is a bit disconcerting, he's not 100% it doesn't sound like, but if he's ok enough to play well, he should kind of win this tournament pretty easily lol. When I saw the draw I just laughed.

Without Andre, this tournament is full of B players; very weak. If Andy doesn't win it, even though he's not feeling "100%", I'll be surprised.

Anyway... now I need a bit of advice. If matches begin at 10am what time should I be there? (I'm not driving, just being dropped off) Same with the night session, if matches start at 6:30, what's the best time to arrive? I've never done this before, LOL!!!!

A half an hour early is good. It'll give you time to visit the souvenir and vendor booths and the concession stands. :)

I hope you have a *great* time and the weather holds out! :banana:

BTW, where are you typing this? Are you on a laptop? :scratch:

star
03-01-2004, 05:53 PM
I like to get to the site as soon as the gates open to see people on the practice courts. That's the cool thing.... to see the players out there with their coaches and seeing them looking loose and happy.

But there aren't as many practice courts at Scottsdale. You can go early..... and take a book. If you get bored you can always read. :)

*never leaves home without reading material*

J. Corwin
03-01-2004, 06:50 PM
Half and hour at earlier at least.

jtipson
03-01-2004, 07:16 PM
Hi jtipson :wavey: Nice to see a voice of reason from outside the AR forum for once. ;)

Personally, I don't see what the big deal about Andy playing Arizona is. Hasn't it occurred to anybody that he's playing Arizona because it's in America, where he lives, and therefore he does not have to travel far and can spend more time with his girlfriend and family?

I mean...hello...this is why most of the Europeans are playing tourneys in Europe and most of the latinos are playing tourneys in South America. Duh! (that was for the clueless ones who actually claim Andy is "afraid" of playing certain players; it wasn't directed at you jt :lol: )

Hi tangy...yes I agree most people choose play where they are most comfortable for one reason or another - or where they can get the most $$$, which surely applies in Dubai this week!

Interesting that the Bryans are heading up the draw in Acapulco though :rolleyes: . I almost did a double-take when I read that they were there, and not in Scottsdale.

Corey Feldman
03-01-2004, 07:24 PM
jtipson?
any ideas as to why Henman played like an idiot today ??

Sjengster
03-01-2004, 07:27 PM
Sadly, this is exactly why I don't like to hang out in Roger's forum all that much. It's jampacked full of fanatical idiots like Fedex, Dirk, RogiFan, and a few others who have *zero* sense of humor and think that if you don't think Roger walks on water, then you're not a "true" fan. Are they for real? LOL. Their behavior is ridiculously pathetic and borders on the psychotic that it's really sad how a great player like Roger attracks so many braindead minions like those people. :eek:

And I've also noticed that, unlike the posters in the Andy forum, the Fanatical Fed Freaks (as I call the unstable types over there) can't seem to sing Roger's praises without constantly trashing other players *cough*Andy*cough* in the process. They betray their insecurity in Roger by doing so. Which is something I just don't get. He's an awesome player. Andy's an awesome player. And I don't have to constantly trash other players to know so and feel better about my favorite players. :)

You're generalising again, tangerine... as is always the case with fan groups, it is the most vociferous, outspoken and irritating fans that tend to colour one's perception of that group; it's a mistake to judge everyone by the behaviour of the most annoying. I mean, if I thought you represented all Roddick fans on here I wouldn't get a very positive impression of them, would I?

Say what you like about people like Dirk (who is starting to show signs of normality, he even said today that Federer could get beaten by someone playing better than him), but RogiFan certainly doesn't have "zero" sense of humour and is not a complete fanatic. You've displayed exactly the same kind of insecurity by trashing other players in the past, except that you've chosen to do it in supposedly humorous threads that are in fact completely lame.

While some Federer fans are undoubtedly annoying in their reverence towards their player, the holier-than-thou attitude of some Roddick fans (in both cases, I stress "some") is just as deplorable.

Havok
03-01-2004, 07:45 PM
wait wait wait, i think Andy played in Scottsdale to stear clear of the qualifiers:scared:
oh and i would say 45 minutes earlier, better to be early than late. and plus you might get lucky like i did and have you very own private Andy Roddick practice:banana: nobody bothered to sit their asses on their seats for center court 45 minutes before play started and they missed out on Andy practicing:p

jtipson
03-01-2004, 07:56 PM
jtipson?
any ideas as to why Henman played like an idiot today ??

Hmm. I didn't see the match, so I only have your word for it that he did play like an idiot. His record at Dubai is not too hot, but that's no excuse. On paper he should certainly have won.

Interesting that he'll probably be number 9 (or possibly 10) next week even so though. And it gives him a lot of time to prepare for IW.

Maybe he should have gone to Scottsdale instead and given Andy a surprise ;)

andyroxmysox12191
03-01-2004, 08:31 PM
well....i just got back from school and once i got home i went straight here to see if anything else happened and i'm glad that everything calmed down over the past 15 or so hours. lol
bunk....hope u have a good time in scottsdale and IF u meet andy(hopefully u will but i kinda doubt it) be sure to say hi!!!! :D
star...all i have to say is that u made my day better since i read what u wrote :)
and also..don't use the 12 year old thing cause i just turned 13 in jan so i was just 12 and i was never like that. in my opinion use a 11 year old or 10 cause really that's when some kids are like that(not me). i take the 12 year old seriously ;)

tangerine_dream
03-01-2004, 11:01 PM
Interesting that the Bryans are heading up the draw in Acapulco though :rolleyes: . I almost did a double-take when I read that they were there, and not in Scottsdale.

Is it on clay? Maybe they're using it to prep for Davis Cup when they will eventually have to face the clay court specialists.

Or maybe they're getting more money to play there. :)

any ideas as to why Henman played like an idiot today ??

I went http://smilies.jeeptalk.org/cwm/cwm/eek2.gif when I saw Henman's numbers! OMG.

Tim's match, combined with Rainer crashing out in the first round (for the fourth time) and Taylor Dent withdrawing from his match today; well, my jaw is on the floor. I don't like this bad karma. What is going on?

You've displayed exactly the same kind of insecurity by trashing other players in the past, except that you've chosen to do it in supposedly humorous threads that are in fact completely lame.

Sjengy's back! Hi wet blankie! :wavey:

OK, the fact that you consider my irreverent sense of humor "lame" is a compliment of the highest order. Thank you! :bowdown:

And I did indeed say that SOME Fed fanatics have ruined Roger's forum for me, but not all of them. There are many posters there that I like. But I don't feel comfortable enough to goof off in there the way I do here and in Agassi's forum (and even in Marat's forum :eek: ). Dirk gets especially angry whenever I goof on Roger and, like Fedex, he seems to think that because I don't hail him as a supreme demigod, then I am not a "true fan." Well, that's just lame, IMO.

And you've misconstrued my point about people trashing players; everybody trashes players. No big deal. My issue, particularly in the RF forum and a big reason why I don't like it, is that some posters over there cannot praise Roger without trashing Andy in the same breath. This is the point I was making.

Many people here know I don't like David Nalbandian but when I sing Andy's praises, I don't have to end it with a "and David sucks" punctuation mark. :p

wait wait wait, i think Andy played in Scottsdale to stear clear of the qualifiers

:haha: Naldo.

BTW, I think Andy's first match begins Wednesday. It's hard to tell because nobody but nobody is putting up any info about this tourney---not even the "official" website. :ras:

heya
03-01-2004, 11:08 PM
Q: A lot of people seem to focus on your serve? Do you have a problem with that?

A: No, there are guys who serve big who are ranked 50. I know there is something that separates me from them.

Sjengster
03-02-2004, 01:14 AM
OK, the fact that you consider my irreverent sense of humor "lame" is a compliment of the highest order. Thank you! :bowdown:

And I did indeed say that SOME Fed fanatics have ruined Roger's forum for me, but not all of them. There are many posters there that I like. But I don't feel comfortable enough to goof off in there the way I do here and in Agassi's forum (and even in Marat's forum :eek: ). Dirk gets especially angry whenever I goof on Roger and, like Fedex, he seems to think that because I don't hail him as a supreme demigod, then I am not a "true fan." Well, that's just lame, IMO.

And you've misconstrued my point about people trashing players; everybody trashes players. No big deal. My issue, particularly in the RF forum and a big reason why I don't like it, is that some posters over there cannot praise Roger without trashing Andy in the same breath. This is the point I was making.

Many people here know I don't like David Nalbandian but when I sing Andy's praises, I don't have to end it with a "and David sucks" punctuation mark. :p

I'm glad you see criticism in that way, in that case the compliments are sure to come flooding in during the future. ;)

Actually, I'm really not sure that there have been so many knee-jerk trashings of Roddick in the Federer forum as you say. I do see one thread entitled "Roger won't beat Andy again" by well known troll Reality Ryan (whom you all disassociated yourselves from quickly, I know).

Fans do have their own particular character and the Federer fans do speak rather highly of him, but this "demigod" accusation is somewhat inaccurate. I can assure you that here at least is one Federer fan who doesn't worship the ground he walks on, and I certainly respect you for your irreverent attitude even though I don't like the sense of humour that accompanies it. But hey, I guess that's a case of different jokes for different folks. ;)

star
03-02-2004, 01:49 AM
Sjengster, you like making jokes about people's appearance and giving them nasty nicknames. You think that is funny.

I think Tangy is funny. She consistently makes me laugh.

Mister Q is another extremely funny guy.

Obviously you must like something about Andy's fans cause you keep on hanging out here.

Sjengster
03-02-2004, 01:55 AM
Yes, but those supposedly "nasty" nicknames are humorous jests. Of course you can say exactly the same thing about tangerine's jokes, it's just that to me they frequently border on the offensive. To an objective observer, the chances are that there's no difference, but then on here it's impossible to be 100% objective. It's all a matter of perception, and I'm sorry if mine differs from yours.

Don't worry, I still find much to enjoy in this forum; I find it interesting when you talk about how Roddick matches up against other players and where he needs to improve (see the thread on here about that specific subject), and of course your witty tournament nicknames are always a joy to behold.

star
03-02-2004, 02:17 AM
Sjengster, that is exactly what you said. You think your nasty nicknames are witty and clever and humorous. I think they are heavy handed and mean spirited.

You obviously don't like the humor in this forum, but the rest of us are laughing like crazy.

I just don't think people need to lecture us about what sort of good time we choose to have.

Sjengster
03-02-2004, 02:35 AM
But I'm not lecturing you about what you choose to say or do in here - I'm talking about out there in the great blue yonder that is MTF. Obviously GM is fair game, but fans of other players reserve the right to have their forum the way they want. After all, tangerine is still a Roddick fan first and foremost ahead of being a Federer fan (judging by the size of names in her signature, that is).

And I never said I didn't like all the humour in this forum.

star
03-02-2004, 03:03 AM
I know you didn't SAY it.

tangerine_dream
03-02-2004, 03:10 AM
BETTING ODDS FOR SCOTTSDALE

Surprise, surprise, 8/13 Andy Roddick is the short priced favourite to claim this week's Franklin Templeton Classic but don't be shocked if Sweden's Thomas Johansson goes well on the hard courts of Arizona.

The 2002 Australian Open champion has slowly eased back to form in recent weeks ater recovering from knee surgery that kept him out for almost a year and has the game to prosper at Scottsdale according to Chandler's tennis compiler Paul Moody.

"On recent evidence he looks to be coming back to his best and is the only player capable of troubling Roddick in the top half of the draw," said Moody.

12/1 Johansson reached the quarter finals of the Milan indoor event three weeks ago and forced Lleyton Hewitt to two tie breaks before succumbing to the Australian in his last outing in Rotterdam.

"Bettingzone tip Taylor Dent has been popular but I've gone off him after his tantrums at the Australian Open and he's currently available at 20/1," added Moody.

As far as the season's next Major is concerned Moody said he would be looking to take on 7/2 Juan Carlos Ferrero and 5/1 Roger Federer.

"Roland Garros looks very open to me and the only player I would have any real concerns about laying at this stage would be Guillermo Coria," he said.

Argentinean Coria, beaten in straight sets by Martin Verkerk at last year's Paris semis, is 9/2 for Garros glory.

tangerine_dream
03-02-2004, 03:21 AM
I was wrong. Andy's first match is tomorrow, not Wednesday. Starts at 6:30PM.

At least we're finally getting some scraps of Scottsdale news. :banana:

Roddick Interview Notes

Feb. 29, 2004

Andy is making his first Scottsdale appearance and will play John
van Lottum of the Netherlands on Tuesday.


Q: Could you talk about your back and your overall health?

A: I obviously was struggling a little bit after Memphis with that
and was obviously hopeful that I would be able to come here and
compete. If I said that I was 100% confident I would be lying to
you, but I'm here and I'm ready to play and I'm going to give it my
best shot, that's for sure.

Q: When you heard that Agassi was out of the tournament, what was
your reaction?

A: "I always try and focus on who's in the tournament as opposed to
who's not here. Any time you lose a great player like Andre,
obviously that's not a good thing for the tournament. At the same
time, there's a bunch of good young players who will get the
opportunity to get out there for the first time."

Q: Do you consider yourself in that group?

A: I'm nowhere near that. You just named off some pretty big names
there. I have a long way to go. I do consider the fact that I have a
great opportunity here. I don't think anyone else is going to live
up to what those guys did. There's a reason why Chang and Courier
and a couple of other guys make up the best players ever from one
country. I don't know if that's realistic to expect that all of us
can maybe equal that or compete with that but at the same token, we
can play pretty good tennis and that's what we're out here trying to
prove.

Q: So you don't think it's realistic but at the same time do you
feel the weight of those expectations? People looking at you as the
next group of American players?

A: No, because even before I deserved it people were looking at me;
I've been hearing that ever since I turned pro. Whether it's
realistic or not, people have been looking for someone or something
after Andre and Pete, especially in the American tennis world.
Obviously the pressure's there, but pressure is a part of sports:
it's kind of what makes us athletes tick. I see it more as an
opportunity. I'm not going into it saying I'm trying to replace
people… I'm going into it trying to make a name for myself.

Q: As far as this tournament, who do you see as your biggest threat?

A: I play van Lottum in the first round right? Well he's my biggest
threat right now. The draw is stacked with a bunch of players. There
are a lot of young players, and a lot of interesting first round
match-ups. I think it just depends as the week progresses, to see
who's playing good in these conditions. It's always tough to say at
the beginning of a tournament, especially when the majority of the
players didn't play last week and it's mostly Americans. I think
we'll definitely be able to tell a lot in the first couple rounds.

Q: How do you feel about your year to this point?

A: My year to this point: good. I feel like I played pretty good
tennis in Australia. I came up a little bit short against Marat. I
had a good week in San Jose and I felt like I was playing pretty
well in Memphis until my back started bothering me a little bit. I'm
optimistic. I feel like I've been playing pretty solid tennis each
time out. It hasn't been quite as up and down as the beginning of
last year.

Q: Have there been any big changes since last year when you won the
U.S. Open both on-court and off-court.

A: Yeah absolutely. Since winning that tournament it has been a
pretty big whirlwind. Before that I was pretty well known to the
tennis sports fan and the people in tennis communities, but kind of
after that it's become pretty much everyone. It's been a change, but
one that I've approached with the attitude that I need to keep doing
what got me that opportunity or got me to that stage. I've got to
focus on tennis: it's what I do; it's what I love. All of the other
stuff is just kind of there. It just exists.

Q: Is there anything specific you focus on in your own game?

A: I've got lots to focus on in my game. I'm excited to go out and
get my first hit and see how the courts are playing... see how the
conditions are and see what my game plan is going to be. Maybe after
that I'll have a better answer as to some of the different
strategies I might use. A lot of it depends on how the courts are
playing.

Q: Many in the National media have portrayed you as the "Rock `N
Roll" type player with the big serve and all. Is that how you want
to be portrayed?

A: I don't know if I want to be portrayed in any way. People are
going to write what they want to. I'm just myself. I have a blast
out there. I show emotion on the court as I always have. I try to
help the game and promote it as much as possible. I try to make it
as big as I can. I'm only one player, but I do try to fulfill that
responsibility.

Q: A lot of people seem to focus on your serve? Do you have a
problem with that?

A: No, there are guys who serve big who are ranked 50. I know there
is something that separates me from them.

Q: What have you learned since going pro?

A: I try to think more about what I'm focusing on as opposed to what
others are focusing on. That's definitely one of those things I've
learned since being on tour. Everybody is going to have an opinion
but you've just got to stay the course.

Q: Do you have any advice for junior players

A: Listen, I'm like the old guy now! As redundant as it sounds and
as much as I would have rolled my eyes at this answer when I was a
junior, the one thing you can control on a daily basis is what you
put into it. I didn't start realizing that until I was 16 or 17 as
opposed to earlier than that. There are a lot of excuses. You can't
control the weather, you can't control the way you're playing. The
one thing you can control is what you put into it yourself.

Q: Are you excited about going to the Olympics?

A: As far as the Olympics go, I'm so excited about it! I just can't
wait! Like everybody that I think has grown up, I've watched it for
forever and a day. I will probably be very nervous once I get out
there, but I'm excited.

Q: How was it for you playing Davis Cup?

A: I think one thing that makes it easy for me, is that not only am
I playing for my country, but some of the guys on the team are also
my best friends on tour. I think that makes it a lot easier during
the Davis Cup weeks because we really enjoy it. It's like being in a
frat house for a week. It's fun. We have a really good time as well
as trying to accomplish a common goal.

tangerine_dream
03-02-2004, 03:30 AM
After all, tangerine is still a Roddick fan first and foremost ahead of being a Federer fan (judging by the size of names in her signature, that is).

Correction: Andre the Great :worship: comes before them all. ;)

MisterQ
03-02-2004, 05:50 AM
Correction: Andre the Great :worship: comes before them all. ;)

:yeah:

Action Jackson
03-02-2004, 06:17 AM
At least Q you are in training for when he finally decides to retire and are able to look forward to a new favourite, unlike some alleged tennis fans.

star
03-02-2004, 06:35 AM
That was a nice interview........ as usual. :)

Deb is going to be mighty disturbed that Andy is playing Tuesday instead of Wednesday. She should just go down to the site. I'll bet it's not sold out and she can pick up a ticket for the evening session.

tangerine_dream
03-02-2004, 03:39 PM
At least Q you are in training for when he finally decides to retire and are able to look forward to a new favourite, unlike some alleged tennis fans.

Hardy har-har. Thanks for the stale bait, GWH. :devil:

Deboogle!.
03-02-2004, 04:46 PM
That was a nice interview........ as usual. :)

Deb is going to be mighty disturbed that Andy is playing Tuesday instead of Wednesday. She should just go down to the site. I'll bet it's not sold out and she can pick up a ticket for the evening session.

Not disturbed, I thought Andy was going to play Wed night instead of tonight but my wed. tix are for the day session anyway. I'm waiting til the Thurs night session for my chance to see Andy. I remember asking you guys for advice and you ALL pretty much suggested one day session to see a lot of players and matches and one night session to try to see Andy. so, that's what I did.

It's going to rain tonight so I would be utterly shocked to see Andy's match go off tonight anyway. Maybe they'll push it to tomorrow afternoon, the rain will go away in time and I'll get to see ;) A girl can wish right? ;)


Yeah, I was bummed about Andre having to pull out, too, and I'm sure the tournament promoter is having fits right now over it.

The tournament director was on the news last night. Guess who he is? Pete's BROTHER Gus. I almost peed my pants when they showed him on tv. he IS Pete, just 20 pounds heavier and a little older.

So more notes...on the 10pm local Fox news the big headline was the weather and how that would affect Andy's match specifically. Something about how many fans came to see him and want to see him and what they'll do since early evening is supposed to be the height of the storm system.

then on one of the other local channels they introduced Andy in their story as "Mandy Moore's boy-toy" - I thought that was just semi-obnoxious.

Taylor getting the flu... good god he cannot get any breaks!! But I see he's going to try to play doubles? dang.

Re the scottsdale site, yea it just pretty much sucks. I see no live scoring or anything. that's poopy. It's not getting much coverage here. Just the Fox channel and a local news channel talked about it on the nightly news - the ABC, NBC and CBS affiliates didn't even mention it.

*keeping fingers crossed for no rain on Wednesday*

Will check in again either tomorrow (depending on weather) or Thurs. morning :)

Fumus
03-02-2004, 05:19 PM
I know the naming already happened but, I thought of a sweet name...actually it's just an adaptation of what you already have.

Acing in "A-Rod"zona....:lol:

Havok
03-02-2004, 06:17 PM
LMFAO Acing "A-Rod"zona:haha:
*hopes rain pushed Andy's match to wed day/night session for bunk:banana:
and NO live tennis on tv:eek: i thought they always showed live tennis if you're in the city its being played. man thats just sad

tangerine_dream
03-02-2004, 06:21 PM
Hey Fumus! Welcome back. :hug: Where ya been?

Acing "A-Rod"zona....hahaha! Good one. :)

Fumus
03-02-2004, 06:47 PM
Hey Fumus! Welcome back. :hug: Where ya been?

Acing "A-Rod"zona....hahaha! Good one. :)

awww...thanks Tangy! I have been busy, school, work, the gym, and playing tennis. I havn't had time to stop by and crack jokes. I was given a stupid assignment at work so I am back on the internet! haha state worker is the way to be!

Oh, yea, Fedex-

What are you talking about? Americans generally play in American tournements unless it's something big. It's not like this a WTT tennis match or sumtin' this is for same race points, as far as the draw, the easier you get the better...

tangerine_dream
03-02-2004, 08:38 PM
Roddick set for Templeton Classic debut

World No. 3 plays the Netherlands' Van Lottum

The Associated Press
March* 02, 2004

SCOTTSDALE, Ariz. - Andy Roddick will finally get a chance to see what his blistering serve will do in thin desert air.

The 21-year-old U.S. Open champion, the youngest American to finish a season at No. 1 in the ATP rankings, is at No. 3 heading into his debut Tuesday night at the Franklin Templeton Tennis Classic.

Two of his serves were measured at 150 mph in Davis Cup play a month ago — a challenge for Dutch opponent John Van Lottum. Last year in Indian Wells, Roddick’s serve hit 147 mph, and that was at lower altitude.

Second-seeded Martin Verkerk of The Netherlands also is playing in Scottsdale for the first time, sharing the headlines in a new-look field — 20 players in the 32-man field were new to the tournament when play began Monday.

No. 7 Nicolas Kiefer was the only seeded player to see action the first day, beating Brian Vahaly 6-3, 6-3.

The 26-year-old German is ranked 46th after reaching his first ATP final on U.S. soil last week in Memphis. He broke Vahaly once in the first set and twice in the second, ending the match in 1 hour, 14 minutes.

“It looked like it, but it wasn’t easy,” Kiefer said. “There was sun, a lot of wind. The last two weeks I played indoors.”

In other matches, Lars Burgsmuller of Germany was extended by lucky loser Alex Kim before pulling out a 6-4, 3-6, 7-5 victory. Kim didn’t get in until fifth-seeded Taylor Dent withdrew because of a stomach illness.

Russian Dmitry Tursunov beat Ivo Karlovic of Croatia 6-3, 6-4; Wesley Woodie of South Africa beat France’s Anthony Dupuis 6-7 (6), 6-2, 6-2; Igor Andreev of Russia ousted Croat Mario Ancic 4-6, 7-6 (5), 6-4; and 1999 champion Jan-Michael Gambill defeated 17-year-old Brendan Evans 6-1, 6-4 in the final match.

Gambill improved to 8-1 in Scottsdale with the win. He reached the quarterfinals in 1998, losing to Andre Agassi, and beat Pete Sampras, Agassi and Lleyton Hewitt the next year on the way to the first of his three championships.

He felt rejuvenated by intense practice the last two weeks.

“I feel like I’m just starting my career over again with a different outlook and a different game,” Gambill said. “Better than that, I’m working on things that have been my weaknesses over the years, and I’ve improved very quickly on things I didn’t do very well, like backhand volley.”

Evans, making his ATP main draw debut, couldn’t hold service until the sixth game of the first set, but started well in the second set.

The wild card got to 2-1 by taking the last three points of the third game on two service winners and an ace, but Gambill won five of the next seven.

star
03-03-2004, 02:55 AM
Andy 6-3

star
03-03-2004, 02:59 AM
oops!!! 0-3

tangerine_dream
03-03-2004, 03:20 AM
God, I hate the ATP site! :mad: It's been stuck on 0-3 second set for the past twenty minutes!

And the "official" Scottsdale site is officially worthless. :ras:

Seles3
03-03-2004, 03:27 AM
what is going on?? Is somebody injured??

Havok
03-03-2004, 03:29 AM
i doubt anyone's injured. www.livescore.com didn't even have ANY scores for the Rodick/Van Lottum match, i hit "refresh" and out poped 6-3 for Roddick. we can all thank Scottsdale for their SLOW ASS UPDATING

star
03-03-2004, 03:42 AM
OH NO!!!!

http://eur.news1.yimg.com/eur.yimg.com/xp/ap_photo/20040303/all/l1061892.jpg

Andy Roddick of the United States looks back at a tournament official after breaking his racket at Franklin Templeton Tennis Classic in Scottsdale, Ariz., Tuesday March 2, 2004. Roddick threw a five-minute tirade after arguing a call during his match with John Van Lottum of the Netherlands. (AP Photo/Tom Hood)

star
03-03-2004, 03:45 AM
http://eur.news1.yimg.com/eur.yimg.com/xp/ap_photo/20040303/all/l1061902.jpg
Andy Roddick yells at umpire Enric Molina, of Spain, after arguing a call during his match against John Van Lottum at the Franklin Templeton Tennis Classic in Scottsdale, Ariz., Tuesday March 2, 2004. Roddick broke his racket during his five-minute tirade. (AP Photo/Tom Hood)

tangerine_dream
03-03-2004, 03:47 AM
OH SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT!!!!

Andy just had a five minute meltdown on court and destroyed his racket! No wonder the scores haven't been updated! What the heck happened? I'll bet the chair ump overrruled a linesman on the far side of the court on match point or something. LOL.

Uh :eek: , now I'm kinda worried if Andy can recover from this .... ** bites nails**

Havok
03-03-2004, 03:47 AM
UGH Andy, concentrate damnit. finish it off in straights, and can Scottsdale please HURRY IT UP, some people wanna get to bed!

star
03-03-2004, 03:47 AM
http://eur.news1.yimg.com/eur.yimg.com/xp/ap_photo/20040303/all/l1061901.jpg
Andy Roddick walks away from umpire Enric Molina, in chair, and ATP official Gayle Bradshaw after arguing a call during his match against John Van Lottum at the Franklin Templeton Tennis Classic in Scottsdale, Ariz., Tuesday March 2, 2004. Roddick broke his racket during his five-minute tirade. (AP Photo/Tom Hood)

star
03-03-2004, 03:48 AM
I don't care what happened. There's absolutely no excuse for that.

MisterQ
03-03-2004, 03:49 AM
Bad Andy! Get a grip dude!

Havok
03-03-2004, 03:49 AM
man 5 whole minutes, is that a record or something:scratch:

MisterQ
03-03-2004, 03:49 AM
5 minutes is a long time. If I go off for 15 seconds I feel like I'm throwing a tantrum.

star
03-03-2004, 03:50 AM
All this comes from the French and Swedish yahoo sites. The last two pictures were from the Swedish site. The British site has the last one too.

Havok
03-03-2004, 03:50 AM
the ATP official had to go on the court:scared: UGH ANDY:fiery: channel your frustration into this set and win it!

star
03-03-2004, 03:52 AM
I just hope he got time warnings for that one. I think umpires should just start calling play and then put the clock on a player.

That's what I always thought about McEnroe, and I haven't changed my mind.

star
03-03-2004, 03:53 AM
1-3 now

star
03-03-2004, 03:54 AM
So when somebody wondered if there was an injury...... yeah........ Andy's brain got fried.

Seles3
03-03-2004, 04:01 AM
omg, what is going on??? This is so wierd. Andy is going crazy!! 5 min bitch fest wow!!LOL

MisterQ
03-03-2004, 04:04 AM
Anyone remember this failed Domino's pizza ad character? Should AR adopt him?

http://siteworksstudio.com/dominos1068/badandy_banner.gif

Havok
03-03-2004, 04:11 AM
OMFG Q:sad::sad::sad: stop it you're killing me:haha::haha::haha:
BTW ANDY up 6-5:banana: Allez.

tangerine_dream
03-03-2004, 04:13 AM
Other than the temper fits........I LOVE his new blue outfit. ;)

Havok
03-03-2004, 04:15 AM
yes, me and prophetic were discussing that on msn;)

tangerine_dream
03-03-2004, 04:17 AM
Anyone remember this failed Domino's pizza ad character? Should AR adopt him?

http://siteworksstudio.com/dominos1068/badandy_banner.gif

ROTFLMAO!!!!

:haha:

Seles3
03-03-2004, 04:20 AM
It looks like he has turned this around!

tangerine_dream
03-03-2004, 04:28 AM
I wonder if Deb was watching this match live? Boy, does she hate it when Andy has tandrums! This one sounds like it was a doozy---reminiscient of the meltdown he had back at USO 2001. :eek: I can just see Deb sinking lower and lower into her seat, covering her head with her hands, "No Andy, Nooooo!" :lol: ;)

Havok
03-03-2004, 04:28 AM
yes he has, and im sure he's already won it, but its still stuck at 6-5 for Andy:yawn:

star
03-03-2004, 04:31 AM
Is there anyone who isn't embarassed when someone acts like that?

I seriously could slap the guy right now.

MisterQ
03-03-2004, 04:33 AM
OH NO! Poor Deb! I hope she didn't see that!

star
03-03-2004, 04:38 AM
I don't think Deb has any special feed in Arizona that the rest of us don't have.

It might well be on the local news show though. :)

She'll be kicking herself that she isn't taping it for a RO video. ;)

star
03-03-2004, 04:41 AM
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20040303/capt.azth10703030336.scottsdale_azth107.jpg

Andy Roddick, left, of the United States, yells at ATP supervisor Gayle Bradshaw after disputing a call during his match against John Van Lottum of the Netherlands at the Franklin Templeton Tennis Classic in Scottsdale, Ariz., Tuesday March 2, 2004. Roddick went on a five minute tirade before play resumed.

Action Jackson
03-03-2004, 04:43 AM
Is there really a need to get angry like that for 5 minutes?

star
03-03-2004, 04:44 AM
:rolleyes:

tangerine_dream
03-03-2004, 04:44 AM
star, it doesn't really bother me when players get angry like that but I just really want to know what the chair ump did that caused Andy to blow up like that. He had to have done something really stupid.

Can't wait to read the post-match interview.

Action Jackson
03-03-2004, 04:45 AM
Tangerinus, once again you are incorrect and I was not counting you amongst those alleged fans, if I thought you were one of them I would say so directly, then again this comes from someone who has called me a Nazi, lower than scum and an elitist without ever being able to back it up, so I am not surprised.

tangerine_dream
03-03-2004, 04:46 AM
star's gonna send Andy to bed without supper! :devil: :lol:

star
03-03-2004, 04:46 AM
Look, there is nothing that anyone does that MAKES somebody blow up like that. Andy blew up like that all by himself. Horribly unjust calls have been made on the tennis court without someone blowing up like that. People have lost matches on bad calls. Whatever this call was, we know that Andy was leading in the match against an opponent that was overmatched. Whatever the call, no matter how stupid, Andy's position in the match was not jeopardized by the umpire's decision.

star
03-03-2004, 04:47 AM
star's gonna send Andy to bed without supper! :devil: :lol:

Yeah, and no breakfast tomorrow either! :lol:

MisterQ
03-03-2004, 04:49 AM
Ouch. that's rough! :lol:

tangerine_dream
03-03-2004, 04:49 AM
Yeah, and no breakfast tomorrow either! :lol:

:haha: Make him sleep in the broom closet!

Bad Andy. Bad, bad, bad boy.... :devil:

star
03-03-2004, 04:50 AM
Horses for courses. ;)

Action Jackson
03-03-2004, 04:50 AM
Maintain The Rage by Andy Roddick, something must have pissed him off to go off like that in a small tournament.

star
03-03-2004, 04:53 AM
:rolleyes:

MisterQ
03-03-2004, 04:54 AM
But he was making fun of my hair!!!

star
03-03-2004, 04:54 AM
:haha: Make him sleep in the broom closet!

Bad Andy. Bad, bad, bad boy.... :devil:

No no... tennis players have too much fun in broom closets. ;)

He gets the dog house. :devil:

star
03-03-2004, 04:55 AM
But he was making fun of my hair!!!

:haha: :haha: :haha:

Q strikes again.....


Ze sign of ze Q!!

SanTaureau Fan
03-03-2004, 04:59 AM
No scores? Is it because there is another tirade. ;)

tangerine_dream
03-03-2004, 04:59 AM
Hahahah :haha: Q and star!

star
03-03-2004, 05:00 AM
Yes, God is having a tirade. It's raining.

Had Andy not had his little tantrum, he could have wound up the match and not have had to be sitting out a rain delay.

star
03-03-2004, 05:04 AM
Roddick match halted by rain shy of victory
By MEL REISNER, AP Sports Writer
March 2, 2004


AP - Mar 2, 10:38 pm EST
More Photos
SCOTTSDALE, Ariz. (AP) -- One rain delay helped Andy Roddick. The second left him two points away from winning his Scottsdale debut.

The 21-year-old U.S. Open champion rallied from a loss of composure during the first play stoppage in his first-round match at the Franklin Templeton Tennis Classic on Tuesday night. He won five of the next seven games against tenacious Dutchman John van Lottum to lead 6-5 in the second set.

Then rain stopped play at 30-30 in the 12th game, forcing a postponement until Wednesday.

Roddick, who won the first set 6-3, was in jeopardy of losing before an earlier rain delay. He became incensed when chair umpire Enric Molina overruled a lineswoman who held that van Lottum's return was long at break point in the second game of the second set.

Roddick, down 2-0, berated the Spanish official for awarding the point to van Lottum, drew a delay-of-game penalty that cost him the first point in the third game, threw his racket three times, finally breaking it, and complained to ATP event supervisor Gayle Bradshaw several times.

``I'd like just one time to see you guys step up and do something for us,'' Roddick told Bradshaw.

Van Lottum held service to win the third, fifth and seventh games of the second set -- the last two after a 44-minute rain delay -- to take a 5-2 lead. But the cooling-off period helped Roddick get his game together.

He won the last three points of the eighth game, then won four of five points to break the Dutchman for the first time in the set.

tangerine_dream
03-03-2004, 05:09 AM
Hey guys, check out all the thumbnails of Andy's match at wireimage (click on the Franklin Templeton link):

http://www.wireimage.com/GalleryListing.asp?navtyp=SRH&logsrch=1

tangerine_dream
03-03-2004, 05:12 AM
Roddick, who won the first set 6-3, was in jeopardy of losing before an earlier rain delay. He became incensed when chair umpire Enric Molina overruled a lineswoman who held that van Lottum's return was long at break point in the second game of the second set.

Roddick, down 2-0, berated the Spanish official for awarding the point to van Lottum, drew a delay-of-game penalty that cost him the first point in the third game, threw his racket three times, finally breaking it, and complained to ATP event supervisor Gayle Bradshaw several times.

Yep. I knew it. The chair ump made a stupid call.

It's exactly these kinds of overrules that piss Andy off the most. Unless that ump was 100% sure, he had no business overruling it.

But also, it's to Andy's credit that he managed to regain some compusure and not blow the match, like he would've done in the past.

tangerine_dream
03-03-2004, 05:28 AM
Yes, God is having a tirade. It's raining.

Had Andy not had his little tantrum, he could have wound up the match and not have had to be sitting out a rain delay.

This is true. :yeah:

Action Jackson
03-03-2004, 08:29 AM
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/sports/articles/0303tennis0303.html


Rain stalls Roddick's tantrum
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Tim Tyers
The Arizona Republic
Mar. 3, 2004 12:00 AM


It was a tale of two storms quelling a bigger one.

Rain caused suspension of top-seeded Andy Roddick's match with Dutchman John van Lottum at 9:45 p.m. Tuesday, with Roddick up a service break in the second set and with a 6-5 lead, with the score tied 30-30 in the Franklin Templeton Tennis Classic.

Rain also created a 44-minute delay earlier in the match that quite likely saved Roddick from self-destruction. The world's No. 3-ranked player had gone berserk over what he felt was a bad call, but the delay allowed him to regain his composure to battle back from a 5-2 deficit to gain a pair of service breaks on a pair of unforced errors by van Lottum.

The match will be completed after noon today.

All seemed well with Roddick when he closed out the first set with a 138 mph ace to win 6-3. He looked to be on his way to an expected win over van Lottum, who lost 7-6 in the third set two weeks ago in Rotterdam to then-world No. 3 Juan Carlos Ferrero.

Roddick lost his cool shortly thereafter.

After van Lottum held service, a disputed call on break point gave van Lottum the second-game service break, and Roddick's temper erupted for about five minutes. The linesperson called van Lottum's shot long. Roddick was ready to return it but let it go, only to have chair umpire Enric Molina overrule the call.

"I'm not going to argue the call because it was out by this much," Roddick said, and then proceeded to argue while holding his thumb and forefinger some four inches apart. "I would have returned the ball, but she called it out."

Getting no satisfaction from Molina, Roddick summoned ATP supervisor Gayle Bradshaw, who informed him he couldn't overrule the chair's call, which set him off again.

The tantrum continued and next came a penalty point for delay of game, whereupon Roddick smashed his racket on the court. Van Lottum, starting with a 15-0 lead, won the third game.

star
03-03-2004, 01:20 PM
Yep. I knew it. The chair ump made a stupid call.

It's exactly these kinds of overrules that piss Andy off the most. Unless that ump was 100% sure, he had no business overruling it.

But also, it's to Andy's credit that he managed to regain some compusure and not blow the match, like he would've done in the past.

So what? It's not the first time Andy's gotten a bad call and it certainly won't be the last. Of couse, it's upsetting, but there is no need to lose his mind over it. I don't know if the umpire was right or wrong. I'm assuming he was wrong or Andy wouldn't have had a melt down, but no mind. He STILL shouldn't have had a meltdown. Look Kim had the same thing happen to her in Australia. It may have cost her the championship. Is that worth having what the Arizona Republic calls a "tantrum?" I think not.

Plus, more practically, NO UMPIRE ANYWHERE has ever changed an overrule because of a temper tantrum. I guess all of us learned quite early in our lives that slamming doors and throwing things and yelling just really don't have any thing but a negative consequence. They NEVER make anything better.

star
03-03-2004, 01:22 PM
Rain stalls Roddick's tantrum

Tim Tyers
The Arizona Republic
Mar. 3, 2004 12:00 AM

It was a tale of two storms quelling a bigger one.

Rain caused suspension of top-seeded Andy Roddick's match with Dutchman John van Lottum at 9:45 p.m. Tuesday, with Roddick up a service break in the second set and with a 6-5 lead, with the score tied 30-30 in the Franklin Templeton Tennis Classic.

Rain also created a 44-minute delay earlier in the match that quite likely saved Roddick from self-destruction. The world's No. 3-ranked player had gone berserk over what he felt was a bad call, but the delay allowed him to regain his composure to battle back from a 5-2 deficit to gain a pair of service breaks on a pair of unforced errors by van Lottum.

The match will be completed after noon today.

All seemed well with Roddick when he closed out the first set with a 138 mph ace to win 6-3. He looked to be on his way to an expected win over van Lottum, who lost 7-6 in the third set two weeks ago in Rotterdam to then-world No. 3 Juan Carlos Ferrero.

Roddick lost his cool shortly thereafter.

After van Lottum held service, a disputed call on break point gave van Lottum the second-game service break, and Roddick's temper erupted for about five minutes. The linesperson called van Lottum's shot long. Roddick was ready to return it but let it go, only to have chair umpire Enric Molina overrule the call.

"I'm not going to argue the call because it was out by this much," Roddick said, and then proceeded to argue while holding his thumb and forefinger some four inches apart. "I would have returned the ball, but she called it out."

Getting no satisfaction from Molina, Roddick summoned ATP supervisor Gayle Bradshaw, who informed him he couldn't overrule the chair's call, which set him off again.

The tantrum continued and next came a penalty point for delay of game, whereupon Roddick smashed his racket on the court. Van Lottum, starting with a 15-0 lead, won the third game.

star
03-03-2004, 01:26 PM
Now see? That's completely irrational.

Really the person he is angry at is himself. He was the one who chose to let the ball go and not play it. It was closer probably than he thought. Then he yells at the umpire...... who as we ALL know is not going to change his mind........ then he summons the supervisor........ who REALLY isn't going to do anything about it because he didn't SEE it.

Andy was quite fortunate to have a rain delay and quite fortunate to be playing someone who really was never ever going to beat him even if he did get a break of serve.

These sorts of outbursts (except this was far more than an outburst) aren't going to ever help Andy. They aren't worthy of him, and he needs to look deep inside himself to figure it out.

Havok
03-03-2004, 01:54 PM
ok i don't blame Roddick for not playing that return. he was gonna play it until he heard "out" by the linesman. but getting to the point, he shouldn't have let lose like that. I would have understood if he went to talk to the ump, yeah be a little pissed, but for 5 freakin minutes:eek: calling out the supervisor who was probably doingy ANYTHING but watching that match. now he has to get his ass back on the court for 2 easy points on his serve to finish off this match, while it should have been over last night. i mean how long do 2 points on Roddick's serve last, 10 seconds in all:shrug: all he needed was to keep that tirade to 4 minutes and 30 seconds and he woulda won:p
no excuse for this outburst. he was in the right, but it's nothing to go completely psycho about

star
03-03-2004, 02:14 PM
I hadn't thought of it that way. So maybe the real dispute was that Andy said..... I was going to play the ball until I heard the out call, so the point should be replayed and not given to Van Lottum. That's why he called the supervisor out because he thought he had a rule question. It wasn't just the matter of the overrule. But it's still the umps decision whether there was a play on the ball and whether the player really let the ball go because of the out call or whether he was letting it go anyway.

star
03-03-2004, 02:15 PM
Maybe the thread should be changed to "Agitating in Arizona." :)

tangerine_dream
03-03-2004, 03:14 PM
If Andy has one more fit like that this year, I may have to change his name to Ahndeee:baby: and in my book, you can't get lower than low when you're in Dahveeed's:baby: company. :bolt:

tangerine_dream
03-03-2004, 03:35 PM
From tennis-x.com:

"Bad Andy" was at it again in Scottsdale Tuesday, where the former No. 1 Andy Roddick berated chair umpire Enric Molina for an overrule, drew a delay penalty that cost him the first point in the next game, pointed a finger at opponent John van Lottum for telling him to quit stalling, and threw his racket three times, finally breaking it and drawing a racket-abuse warning. Bad Andy.

andyroxmysox12191
03-03-2004, 08:40 PM
bad andy...i'm wondering where they got this? :)

tangerine_dream
03-03-2004, 08:55 PM
*tsk* From US of course! ;)

tangerine_dream
03-03-2004, 09:26 PM
Andy finished winning his match today, 6/3 7/5.

tangerine_dream
03-03-2004, 09:48 PM
In another thread, Dirk wrote:Oh yeah me too. I want to see Sjeng bow down and kiss Roger's feet before the match. I wonder what gifts Sjeng would bring to the temple of ninja. :devil: :worship: :rolls:

Sjengster replied: Dirk's above comment is almost enough to make me wish Federer loses before the semifinals. I don't think I've ever hoped for that before.

------------

Now do you understand why I said what I said about some posters in the Federer forum?

Havok
03-03-2004, 10:59 PM
OMFG NINJA:haha: what is this dude smoking:haha:

heya
03-04-2004, 12:41 AM
I don't care for Kim, but Justine was relieved after trying to influence the umpire on the last important line call, which cheated Kim out of another point again.
I used to like AO, but it became a vile event. I guess shot-spot technology's
sole purpose is for entertaining home viewers.

After playing uninspiring tennis for 5 mths., I'd have flames shooting out my ears too.
Andy's done everything
for people off-court, but now he has to control himself?
He risked further injury by playing AO semis 03.
He continued@Memphis with pain just to make people happy, and nicely lost a bunch of events that he should've won too.
What good did that do for him?

Guess he didn't
have piss weak draws like the ones a few players had at AO, Rotterdam and Dubai. :timebomb:
Wonder if Franklin T or Dubai offer players the most advantage with ranking pts! scared: :unsure:
He can jump into Niagara falls now, boohoo!
hurray for mtf FIENDS

J. Corwin
03-04-2004, 12:54 AM
Come on now...pointing at his opponent? Andy went overboard and then some this time.

And yes, some Fed fans (happens to fans of all players, but it seems the most common among Fed fans) are extremely arrogant.

Deboogle!.
03-04-2004, 12:55 AM
OK They showed part of the tirade on the news last night.. :eek: Shame on Andy. He should be really embarrassed.

But, I got to see the last two points today and he warmed up right in front of me :hearts: :drool:

And um... Soderling is HOT and has REALLY NICE LEGS.

I'm ok :)

I wonder if Deb was watching this match live? Boy, does she hate it when Andy has tandrums! This one sounds like it was a doozy---reminiscient of the meltdown he had back at USO 2001. :eek: I can just see Deb sinking lower and lower into her seat, covering her head with her hands, "No Andy, Nooooo!" :lol: ;)

LOL No I was not there last night. And it wasn't on any kind of local tv (damn you TTC!), but yea.

Oh for the record, from the angle they showed it on on the news, the ball looked in, but it was from a head-on angle and impossible to really tell :lol:

And um. my head is spinning. Gottssssssssssta go. Hopefully got some good pics of Andy towelling himself off right in front of my face :)

oh and I won a Bulova watch b/c my program was signed by Robby.

Did I say that Soderling is adorable and has nice legs?

oh and Wayne Arthurs is an ASS.

J. Corwin
03-04-2004, 12:56 AM
some nice reactions from Deb :)

Deboogle!.
03-04-2004, 12:59 AM
:nerner:

I'm not a tennis virgin anymore :banana:

star
03-04-2004, 01:15 AM
I've never seen Söderling in person. Maybe he looks lots better.

So, now are you joining the clamor for shorter shorts, Deb? :)

andyroxmysox12191
03-04-2004, 01:27 AM
shorter shorts?! on guys?!?!? playing tennis?!??!?! where???!!? :devil: :yippee: :yeah::devil:

heya
03-04-2004, 01:28 AM
Nice to see yet another long thread about 'Roddick the jerk' at GM. Great idea, Andy This.

MisterQ
03-04-2004, 01:29 AM
shorter shorts?! on guys?!?!? playing tennis?!??!?! where???!!? :devil: :yippee: :yeah::devil:

In a land called the 1970s. ;)

Sjengster
03-04-2004, 02:30 AM
In another thread, Dirk wrote:Oh yeah me too. I want to see Sjeng bow down and kiss Roger's feet before the match. I wonder what gifts Sjeng would bring to the temple of ninja. :devil: :worship: :rolls:

Sjengster replied: Dirk's above comment is almost enough to make me wish Federer loses before the semifinals. I don't think I've ever hoped for that before.

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Now do you understand why I said what I said about some posters in the Federer forum?

Oh yes, I certainly see that Dirk hasn't changed his attitude that much at all. But he's hardly representative of the majority of Federer fans, he really is in a league of his own when it comes to arrogance.

tangerine_dream
03-04-2004, 02:44 AM
:nerner:

I'm not a tennis virgin anymore :banana:

Yaaaay! :banana: You and I both popped our cherries within weeks of one another. ;)

Thanks for the comments about the match and the other players (how cool that you won a watch :cool: ). And Robby signed for you? :yeah:

I'm jealous that you actually saw some of the tirade on TV (I'm assuming it was shown only on local stations?). I don't doubt that he threw a fit but I kind of need to validate it by seeing it myself, you know? Weird.

star
03-04-2004, 03:40 AM
In a land called the 1970s. ;)

The 80's was a nice decade for shorts too. :)

In fact the whole enormous body swallowing baggy thing didn't come about until into the 90's.

tangerine_dream
03-04-2004, 05:56 AM
Roddick Faces Old Foe in Round 2

by:*Scot Hirschfield

3/3/2004*--*

While Lucy Flory is correct in pointing out that Andy has never faced Alex Bogomolov Jr. in an ATP level event, they played two enormously important matches in the Juniors.

In 1998, Andy and "Bogie" were the top seeds at the Easter Bowl, and true to form, found themselves in the Championship match. Andy won that in 3 sets to win his first and only Easter Bowl.

The following year, as these two emerging stars were distancing themselves from the pack, they squared off on the biggest stage of American Junior Tennis, the finals of the USTA Boys 18's Hardcourt Championships in Kalamazoo, Michigan. For any junior player growing up in the United States, winning "the zoo" is like winning Wimbledon or the US Open. It's the best of the best. Unfortunately for Andy, he was not feeling 100% that day, and he went down to Bogie in what was at the time a devastating loss. In fact, if you ask him today what his toughest loss was, it still ranks right at the top.

Andy never won "the Zoo" in singles, but that same year he did team with his good buddy, Levar Harper-Griffth, to win the doubles. Because of this win, The USTA granted Andy and Levar with a wild card to the US Open, and the duo won their opening round. This was Andy's debut at the US Open.

Four and 1/2 years later, in Scottsdale, Arizona, Andy and Bogie meet again.

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Sounds like it could be a very interesting match. :aplot:

Action Jackson
03-04-2004, 07:50 AM
Originally Posted by Sjengster
Oh yes, I certainly see that Dirk hasn't changed his attitude that much at all. But he's hardly representative of the majority of Federer fans, he really is in a league of his own when it comes to arrogance.

Yes, Dirk is one of the more unique posters I mean he hates it when I give some objective comments about Federer. It almost makes me want him to lose, so I can bag him out and have a cheap laugh. The majority of Fed fans are far from arrogant, and this is not exactly the best place to judge a fanbase, and yes my dislike of Roddick and some fans ( that goes with many players as well) is through personal experiences, not just based on an internet forum.

Originally Posted by heya
Nice to see yet another long thread about 'Roddick the jerk' at GM. Great idea, Andy This.

Of course with wanker like behaviour like Roddick showed, isn't that going to get a response on GM and anywhere in the tennis community? Boo hoo.

Dirk
03-04-2004, 07:59 AM
George I never argued with any of your objections on Roger. I agree with probably most of them if not all of them. If you need to so called "bag" me when Roger loses then I am glad you can use me to brighten up your dark life. What I said to Sjengster was in jest, hell he was on the Roger Forum mentioning Sjeng's overly praise of Roger. I thought he would understand but since he didn't I cleared it up.

Action Jackson
03-04-2004, 08:24 AM
It was only jest Dirkie, though I do enjoy the debates, but you don't handle the Roger defeats very well though.

Dirk
03-04-2004, 08:37 AM
Depending on who he loses to. I naturally don't want to see Roger lose to anyone in a final, but there are some players who I don't mind if he loses to because I like them or their games. When I do get upset its only for a short time because all player lose matches. Take the good with the bad.

Oh and George if you want to let loose and go mad over Shark winning at Dubai, I will be right there with you. :bounce: Crafty lefties are so hard to find nowadays.

Action Jackson
03-04-2004, 08:44 AM
Better watch ys with the ridiculous left handed theories might come and haunt us. Nah, I don't mind the Shark actually.

I think someone should go to Wall Mart and buy Andy an adult sized dummy after that outburst.

Dirk
03-04-2004, 08:59 AM
Many Left handers are such great shotmakers but only a few of them turn into great champions. I really love watching Rios and Patty and Shark play. Even Greg does it for me. :rolleyes: Ah I hope there is a trend. So far Nadel doesn't do it for me. I saw him at the Open and he just ran around his backhand to his forehand all the time. I hate that shot most of the time.

Action Jackson
03-04-2004, 09:11 AM
Nadal can do more with a ball than Rusedski ever could dream of. His backhand is actually not that bad and will get better, already it's better than Feli "I am So Beautiful, But I Don't have a Backhand" Lopez.

Dirk
03-04-2004, 09:15 AM
Yeah he is only 17 so I shouldn't be hard on him but it just irked me to death seeing him run around to his forehand so many times. Nadal has a huge future for sure. Lopez I think is a bit of a meathead. I prefer the other spanish guys. I think Costa has a really great underrated Backhand.

Action Jackson
03-04-2004, 09:51 AM
No more frustrating than when Younes runs around his backhand Dirk. Nadal actually learns lessons and has a very good outlook for a 17 yo so he should improve his weaknesses for sure.

Who does this remind you of?

Dirk
03-04-2004, 11:20 AM
I'm terrible at guessing baby pics. Oh no George you wouldn't be stirring up the Andy fans now would you?

Action Jackson
03-04-2004, 11:30 AM
No, Dirk that is not my style, as I have said I have great respect for Q and jackson, though it is very hard to defend his tantrum in Scottsdale. If that was Jeff Tarango he would have been sent to the psyche ward.

star
03-04-2004, 02:05 PM
oh my god!!!

Why don't you two go someplace else to talk?

star
03-04-2004, 02:14 PM
Just curious.

For those who frequent other forums, do non-fans come in and take over threads talking about other players?

I know that doesn't happen in the Lleyton, Coria, Guga, and Sweden Forums. Maybe it is common place in threads other than Andy's?

rassklovn
03-04-2004, 02:34 PM
Aww, Dirkie and GWH shared a beautiful moment?

Back onto the topic at hand what was Roddick's problem acting like that against Van Lottum? There was no need for it, then again maybe he is following in Brad Gilberts lead if you whine enough about a call, you might get it changed.

I am talking about the Gilbert/Wheaton match at the GS Cup, he managed through whining and a bit of intimidation to get a vital changed in his favour.

Is there any evidence that these tirades are helpful to his overall game?

star
03-04-2004, 02:39 PM
Isn't there a whole thread on GM where you can talk about this?

rassklovn
03-04-2004, 02:42 PM
Actually star I am interested in reading other peoples opinions, especially Roddick fans or is that concept something that you don't understand?

rassklovn
03-04-2004, 02:45 PM
Not all players are robots, and nobody is expecting them to be, but does Roddick have a history with Molina or something?

star
03-04-2004, 02:47 PM
Of course, I can't understand it. I'm an Andy fan, remember?

What I do understand completely is that you aren't simply interested in reading what Andy fans think because you could have done that without posting anything at all.

So, I think your insulting question is disingenuous at best. :)

rassklovn
03-04-2004, 02:52 PM
Yes, I just could have just read everything, but I chose to comment and if you think my question was insulting then so be it and what disingenous mean anyway?

For the record most of the fans here weren't too happy with his antics. So is this a disingenous question then?

If he was a lower ranked player do you think that he would have received the same treatment, irrespective of where they are from?

star
03-04-2004, 02:55 PM
Bunkie Boo! You were raving about Söderling, but you didn't say anything about his style of play or anyother details (other than the legs :)) Please, tell why you were so impressed. :)

star
03-04-2004, 02:56 PM
Yes, I just could have just read everything, but I chose to comment and if you think my question was insulting then so be it and what disingenous mean anyway?

For the record most of the fans here weren't too happy with his antics. So is this a disingenous question then?

If he was a lower ranked player do you think that he would have received the same treatment, irrespective of where they are from?

Sorry, can't indulge you this morning. I'm getting ready for work.

rassklovn
03-04-2004, 02:57 PM
Söderling plays very similar to Thomas Enqvist except he moves a bit better.

rassklovn
03-04-2004, 02:57 PM
Star, at least you acknowledge that was a fair question though?

star
03-04-2004, 02:59 PM
no

rassklovn
03-04-2004, 03:03 PM
Is that right then? What was wrong with that question?

I don't want to put words in your mouth, so in essence you were saying that if a lower ranked player pulled a stunt like that, then they would have received the exact same penalty and not have got more than one warning?

star
03-04-2004, 03:08 PM
I expressed no opinion about your question.

Your question is not a "fair question" because it is a question you could have asked in GM. You are asking it here in hopes to make an argument between Andy's fans and non-fans. That's the only reason you are asking the question here instead of GM. If you had intended it as a "fair question," you would have asked it in GM.

Deboogle!.
03-04-2004, 04:37 PM
I've never seen Söderling in person. Maybe he looks lots better.

So, now are you joining the clamor for shorter shorts, Deb? :)

LOL his shorts were average length, I'd say, he just has gorgeous legs, nice and long and yea..

WAIT he's too YOUNG. he has a really adorable baby face and spiked hair that was oh-so-cute.

I took a few pics, they're at the Walgreens 1-hour right now and I'll get them on our way back from the library *fingers crossed that some came out well*


Thanks for the comments about the match and the other players (how cool that you won a watch ). And Robby signed for you?

I'm jealous that you actually saw some of the tirade on TV (I'm assuming it was shown only on local stations?). I don't doubt that he threw a fit but I kind of need to validate it by seeing it myself, you know? Weird.

No, Robby didn't sign for me, per se, my program had been signed by him before I got it. So I have Robby's autograph but he didn't sign specifically for me lol.

And yes they showed a bit of the tirade on the ghetto local news station. They didn't air what he said, the sports reporter was talking over it, but it was really bad. Just plain not at all cute and very embarrassing as a fan. I got angry just watching the few seconds they showed, trust me you don't want to see it, I'll defend Andy til my face turns blue (and it's a nice sunburt lobster red at the moment) but he was out of line.

Let's see, what else? I wrote down a lot of things for my RO piece so I wouldn't forget them.

Why did GWH and Dirk take over this thread to talk about Roger? Um.. helloooooooo this is the Andy board.

Andy better kick Bogie's ass. I'll be there and want to see a spanking!

Oh star I see your q about Soderling. Yes I was really impressed with his game. That match in general was just sort of pretty to watch. Lots of winners, not too many errors, some GREAT rallies. He has a very nice serve, not too fast but very effective. He's tall and has good reach and has really lovely touch at the net which I was impressed with! He played with a calm composure but was still exciting to watch even though he wasn't boisterous or whatever. I was just really impressed by him. He also had a nice little Swede cheering section, which may have helped since the crowd seemed to be for Malisse. I heard lots of "go x-man!" cheers throughout. and Xavier just seemed lost. He was looking at the wrong ballgirl sometimes and just yea... walking around sort of dazed. LOL

tangerine_dream
03-04-2004, 04:38 PM
Yet another great thread about Andy and his game is being hijacked by anti-Roddick fucktards. :rolleyes:

Hitler, Rass, Dirk....go to GM to trash Andy and quit trolling our threads. :(

tangerine_dream
03-04-2004, 04:45 PM
Restart no trouble for Roddick

Jeff Metcalfe
The Arizona Republic
Mar. 4, 2004

No hard feelings, Andy Roddick said.

Of course, the top seed of the Franklin Templeton Tennis Classic was in a more forgiving mood Wednesday after he required only about 35 seconds to close out a 6-3, 7-5 first-round win over John van Lottum.

The night before Roddick busted a racquet and a gut when umpire Enric Molina overruled an out line call on break point early in the second set.

The Spanish umpire would not replay the point and assessed a delay penalty against the 21-year-old American.

A rain delay did little to cool off Roddick, who fell behind 5-2 before rallying to within two points of victory. Rain returned to force an overnight delay at 6-5, 30-30.

"That's a very tricky situation," Roddick said of picking up 15½ hours later. "Say you hit a double fault, you're automatically down break point and fighting for your life."

Roddick warmed up on the adjacent practice court, then went straight to center court. He missed both his first serves but won the points when van Lottum missed backhands at the net and from the baseline.

"I'd be lying if I said I didn't have a really good point (with Molina)," Roddick said. "I wasn't arguing the call even though the ball was out. I was sitting with my racquet back, I heard the out call, then let the ball go. I had a play on the ball so normally you play the ball over. That was my argument, that it should have been a replay."

Roddick admitted he considered quitting the match, but his responsibility to a tournament that already lost Andre Agassi to injury kicked in. He will be back in action tonight against wild card Alex Bogomolov Jr.

And if Molina is in the chair? "I'm not going to hold a grudge. I shook his hand. He just had a rough day at the office. I think we all have them."
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Ha. That last line is funny. Andy dear, WHO had a rough day at the office? ;)

tangerine_dream
03-04-2004, 04:48 PM
Bunkie Boo! You were raving about Söderling, but you didn't say anything about his style of play or anyother details (other than the legs :)) Please, tell why you were so impressed. :)

LOL. "Bunkie boo." ;)

She loved his legs. I hadn't noticed them before. Now I'm going to have to pay closer attention to them next time he plays. :angel:

Deboogle!.
03-04-2004, 04:53 PM
Roddick admitted he considered quitting the match, but his responsibility to a tournament that already lost Andre Agassi to injury kicked in. He will be back in action tonight against wild card Alex Bogomolov Jr.


well it is a good fucking thing he didn't quit the match!!!!!!!!!!!! *looks at ticket for Thursday night session, looks at Order of Play Andy playing 6:30 pm Thursday night*

*pats Andy. good boy*

as for Soderling, I'm surprised there are no AP pics from his match. Oh wells, hopefully some of the ones I have at Walgreens right now will come out and I'll show you guys ;)

tangerine_dream
03-04-2004, 04:53 PM
Your question is not a "fair question" because it is a question you could have asked in GM. You are asking it here in hopes to make an argument between Andy's fans and non-fans. That's the only reason you are asking the question here instead of GM. If you had intended it as a "fair question," you would have asked it in GM.

:bigclap: I agree, star. His question was just a "baiting" question and nothing more, much like Fedex's baiting post a while back. :rolleyes:

They're looking for a reaction, not a real discussion.

Deboogle!.
03-04-2004, 04:54 PM
Hmm... in this instance... I don't think there's a discussion to be had. Ultimately, I think Andy was right that the point should maybe have been replayed. But he was wrong, out of line, embarrassing to his fans and to American tennis, and should have acted more maturely than he did. I don't see what else there is to say, really.

tangerine_dream
03-04-2004, 04:56 PM
bunk, OMG, what a *nightmare* it would've been if Andy had actually walked off the court! :eek:

BTW, has a tennis player ever done this? Walk off the court and not return? :scratch:

Deboogle!.
03-04-2004, 05:02 PM
I don't know but thank god he didn't. I'm disappointed in him enough already as it is.

tangerine_dream
03-04-2004, 07:32 PM
Some comments people are making about Andy’s tandrum at the BBC site:

Did anyone happen to see Roddick's tantrums in Scottsdale? There needs to be more serious penalties for that kind of behaviour. How about this: first outburst, a penalty point; second outburst, a penalty game; third outburst, a default.
---Sebastien, Ottawa, Canada

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McEnroe, Nastase, and Connors had character. Their outbursts were entertaining, if sometimes obscene. Rarely were they punished -- McEnroe was even booted out of the Australian Open one year. Maybe I'm setting a double standard, but Roddick's tantrums are anything but entertaining.
---Michelle, Indianapolis

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To Sebastien, Ottowa. I totally disagree about being stricter on players like Roddick who occasionally misbehave. I think the odd tantrum within reason is good for the game, it shows the players care and are more than just robots who play good tennis.

Its ironic that people tend to criticise tantrums from contemporary players (Rusedski, Roddick, Hingis etc)but also talk about the dearth of 'characters' like McEnroe, Nastasie and Connors who used to regularly loose their temper. Obviously if umpires or linespeople are physically threatened then a line has to be drawn but smashed rackets and muttered expletives all add to the fun & games!
---Ben Stevens, Manchester, UK

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Ben - absolutely right about the enjoyablility of a good racquet smash-up, and no way should they be banned! Goran may have led on quantity of racquets destroyed, but surely the king of racquet smashers is Marat 'Moody-Chops' Safin.

It's the way he looks at his racquet with utter contempt and venom before stretching himself to full height and launching it at the ground and glaring at the broken pieces scattered on the floor.

If we're talking about watchable tennis characters, give me Safin's racquet battering over Leconte's 'hilarious' impersonations anyday. Personally, I think it would be better to ban players who let ball-boys have a go.
---Pete, UK

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Cannot agree more with Pete n Ben, let the tantrums flow! Safin's qtr n semi matches in the AO were the biggest thrillers and highlights. Same thing with this forum, pray may it never go bland!
---Darius, Singapore

star
03-04-2004, 09:02 PM
well it is a good fucking thing he didn't quit the match!!!!!!!!!!!! *looks at ticket for Thursday night session, looks at Order of Play Andy playing 6:30 pm Thursday night*

*pats Andy. good boy*

as for Soderling, I'm surprised there are no AP pics from his match. Oh wells, hopefully some of the ones I have at Walgreens right now will come out and I'll show you guys ;)

I and others post pictures of Robin on his thread in the Sweden section. :)

Dirk
03-04-2004, 11:07 PM
I am sorry about this hell I don't know why I even came here to begin with. Oh yeah to defend myself against being labelled arrogant. George and I just got into a discussion. We weren't Andy bashing. We both respect Andy's ability and his heart just don't like his bratty behavior, that is all. We didn't talk about Roger but yes we did go away from the Andy topic here. Sorry about that.

Havok
03-04-2004, 11:14 PM
you could have done that with PM's:wavey:

Dirk
03-04-2004, 11:30 PM
Naldo were you talking to me? Yeah I could have with George, but I just didn't think of it. We were talking and posting in the other forums so it just didn't come to me, besides alot of posters don't check their PMs so...... I understand your point though. The forum was dead at the time though so I thought it was ok.

Havok
03-05-2004, 03:40 AM
even if the forum was dead at the time, there was no need to blow up in it with GWH. as long as you see that you shoulda done it with a PM:wavey:

on another note, the rain is so bad, ALL matches today were canceled, so Andy has to play twice tomorrow(that means YEs he'll beat Bogomolov. if he doesnt then he needs some :help: ) i just hope this rain doesnt severely mess up this tournament because as one of the guys going into IW to win it, it can hurt him playing a bunch of matches in 3 days and then playing the big event in IW

WyveN
03-05-2004, 07:51 AM
Isn't there a whole thread on GM where you can talk about this?

They choose to discuss this here and it is perfectly ok as this is a PUBLIC section on a PUBLIC forum.

There are no terms and conditions agreed upon when joining this forum that forbid anyone from posting whereever they want.

J. Corwin
03-05-2004, 08:44 AM
took awhile for me to catch up in this thread.

It's annoying/frustrating to know that Andy was so close to quitting the entire tournament. Talk about the need to grow up.

Havok
03-05-2004, 04:47 PM
They choose to discuss this here and it is perfectly ok as this is a PUBLIC section on a PUBLIC forum.

There are no terms and conditions agreed upon when joining this forum that forbid anyone from posting whereever they want.
it's called R-E-S-P-E-C-T Wyven:tape:

tangerine_dream
03-05-2004, 06:19 PM
OMG....

Is this the *worst* tournament of the year??? NO news, NO coverage, NO live web feeds, NO updates, NO pictures, matches RAINED OUT, Andy's HISSY FIT.......ugh!

Even if Andy wins this tournament, I just want to sweep this one under the rug. :ras:

Havok
03-05-2004, 07:32 PM
this tournament needs to go in the garbage, just like it did in the WTA tour. fuckin sucks of ass. there are some very crappy tournaments with a heck of a lot better info and updates and shit

tangerine_dream
03-05-2004, 08:55 PM
Don't forget guys, ESPN will be throwing us peons some tennis scraps our way and actually broadcasting the Franklin FINAL, this Sunday, March 7, 2:00pm.

Wow. Excuse me while I go into shock. :retard:

andyroxmysox12191
03-05-2004, 09:04 PM
um...i dont know if anyone knew this or if it was just me that didn't know but andy won against alex 6-4, 6-3. was i like the last person to find out?

heya
03-05-2004, 09:10 PM
Andy won 6/4 6/3
Don't worry about this pitiful tourney.
Tennis Channel can rot in hell as long as I don't have it. :p I've vomited enough, seeing baseball and golf crap.

tangerine_dream
03-05-2004, 09:30 PM
Andy Advances to Quarterfinals

by:*Scot Hirschfield

3/5/2004*--*

Andy has advanced to the quarterfinals of Franklin Templeton Classic with a 6-4, 6-3 win over Alex Bogomolv Jr.

He will now play the winner of Jan-Michael Gambill and Lars Burgsmuller in the feature evening match tonight. As I write this, Gambill is leading 7-5 2-0. If Andy plays Gambill, he will have the opportunity to beat his compatriot for the first time. In two previous meetings, Gambill has gotten the best of Andy in straight sets. Gambill beat Andy 7-6, 7-6 in the 2001 Siebel Open and 7-5 6-3 in the 2002 Mercedes-Benz Cup in LA.

Both Ken Meyerson and Graham Cross of SFX are in Scottsdale this week, and they had nothing but great things to say about how Andy played. Against a very speedy "Bogie," Andy was in control the whole time, winning several easy points off his first serve.

Tonight will mark the first time Andy has played two singles matches in the same day since the 2002 Delray Beach event, when Andy beat Hyung-Taik Lee and Michael Llodra to advance to the semifinals. Andy went on to the finals of that event before losing a marathon battle to Davide Sanguinetti.

Havok
03-05-2004, 10:53 PM
Andy plays Gambill in the quarterfinals tonight. he better beat Ga,bill and get some revenge from that shit match in 2002 where Gambill won from some lucky calls. apparently Gambill has turned into a quasi serve/volleyer so he can pose some trouble to Andy. but if Andy loses to kendoll, then he needs some:help:

tangerine_dream
03-05-2004, 11:01 PM
Andy's playing JMG? Ut-oh. :eek: He may be a Hollywood joke on tour but he DID win this title before and like you said, his s/a/v play might throw Andy off. :scared:

BTW, where did star take off to? I'm starting to suffer from star and bunk withdrawal. And Mr Man disappeared, too. :sobbing:

Havok
03-06-2004, 12:09 AM
star went on a mini vacation, she didn't say where though. but if Andy loses to KENDOLL that'll just be his most pathetic loss of the season

Havok
03-06-2004, 03:43 AM
Roddick def. Ga,bill 6-7(4), 6-4, 6-3:rocker2: nice fight Andy, shoulda won it in straights though:o

J. Corwin
03-06-2004, 03:55 AM
that double-handed forehand must trouble Andy some ;)

Anyways, good win. Good luck in the semis.

Deboogle!.
03-06-2004, 05:30 PM
OK

I was at both of Andy's matches yesterday.

He walked right by my mom and me twice, like *thisclose* away.

I love his relationship with Brad.

I love all the outfits. I even love the matching red trucker (and Naldo when I saw him put it on yesterday, I immediately thought of you).

I hate tie-breakers even more in person, my three faves all lost TBs yesterday :?

I'm an even bigger Andy fan now than I was before. I have so much to tell you guys. But damn, Andy is so amazing lol. oh and he has a really smooth back :drool:

Andy did two of the most amazing acts of sportsmanship yesterday, one in each match. I'll be specific in my RO writeup.

Last night was so cold, I was so worried about Andy's back.. he got stuff rubbed on it once but then seemed ok. He said it was still bothering him though, in his post-match interview.

Andy is much funnier in person b/c you get to hear all the hillllllllllarious stuff he says. God he is so funny. and TALL and BIG and adorable.

My mom gasped every time he served. It was so cute.

After he lost the TB (which was only b/c of a sloppy 1st point - he went down 0-3 and couldn't get the minibreak back) I was really worried about him. But then he TOTALLY stepped it up. He played GREAT in the 2nd and 3rd set. Saved all his BPs in the match and served very well (the one thing I don't like about watching tennis in person is that you get no stats lol) - his 1st serve % must've been good though and he cut down on the errors. He deserved to lose the 1st set and he REALLY deserved to win the 2nd and 3rd. I was so proud of him, he behaved very well in both matches. He went off on Cryst once in the Gambill match on a questionable call but he wasn't rude, he just sort of vented and said some funny stuff. It definitely wasn't a tantrum though.

Gah my mind is spinning from seeing so much tennis LOL!!!!!!

And of course the weather now through the end of next week is sunny and in the 80s... but it's still cold at night - this is the desert and that's what happens. I don't know why they schedule night matches here. It was gorgeous last night, not a cloud in the sky but it was only 55 and that's the normal night temp here, so I don't know why they do that to these guys. Otherwise, the tournament is actually quite wonderful, I know their site sucks and stuff but it's run quite well. They get the matches on RIGHT Away, only about 15 minutes between each match starting, and the volunteers are amazing.

Oh as for pics. I got a few great ones from Wed and my other 3 rolls are at Walgreens right now so I hope to have gotten a ton of great ones - Andy warming up, practicing, joking w/brad, etc. etc. *fingers crossed*

tangerine_dream
03-06-2004, 06:02 PM
Great write up bunk! Can't wait to read the rest when you get back and of course, see the pictures you took! :banana:

Deboogle!.
03-06-2004, 06:05 PM
I have all kinds of stuff written down on a notepad...it's gonna be a tome! LOL

Oh and for those wondering how I got to see the day and night sessions... well as you know we had 3 tix for thursday night and it was cancelled. well with my dad's bad back he wasn't gonna go so when I exchanged the tix, I had the bright idea of getting one day session ticket for Friday and 2 night session tix. So I was there for 11 hours yesterday lol. My mom met me before the night session and we had hotdogs when Andy walked right by w/Brad ;) My mom was cute, Gambill walked by coming from the practice courts and he was walking all alone and I said to my mom "the guy coming towards us is the guy Andy plays later" and she's like "umm Debra TURN AROUND" - Brad and Andy walk RIGHT by ;). I almost said "good luck Andy" but he looked sort of "in the zone"

but... :drool:

tangerine_dream
03-06-2004, 06:26 PM
Rodick wins twice in a day

ANDY RODDICK overcame 21 aces by his hard-serving opponent to post a 6-7 (4-7) 6-4 6-3 victory over Jan-Michael Gambill and advance to the semi-finals of the $US380,000 ($507,715) ATP Templeton Tennis Classic.
Earlier in the day, top seed Roddick dispatched Alex Bogomolov 6-4 6-3 in a match that was postponed due to heavy rains that washed away yesterday's card.

"It was a long day, but I was prepared to step up to the plate and get going," the defending US Open champion said.

"I knew at the beginning of the day what I was in for, so it's easier when you know what's in store."

Roddick takes on No. 4 seed Vince Spadea, a 6-4 2-6 7-5 winner over sixth-seeded fellow American James Blake.

Victor Hanescu will be making his first career ATP semi-final appearance in the hardcourt event.

The 22-year-old Romanian upset second-seeded Dutchman Martin Verkerk 7-5 6-4 hours after a 6-3 6-7 (5-7) 6-3 victory over Swedish teenager Robin Soderling, a completion of their rain-interrupted match yesterday.

"It was a long day for me," said Hanescu, ranked 75th in the world.

"It's a great feeling to be in a semi-final and to have a chance to win a tournament. It is my dream to win a tournament, maybe a Grand Slam sometime.

"I think this is the beginning of my career."

Hanescu will face No. 7 Nicolas Kiefer of Germany, who saved two second-set points and beat No. 3 seed Robby Ginepri of the United States 6-3 7-6 (8-6).

Kiefer doesn't want to admit he is on a run despite winning seven of his last eight matches.

He reached his second semi-final in the last three weeks, having been runner-up to Swede Joachim Johansson at Memphis.

"I don't want to say I'm on a roll," he said. "I didn't play my best today but I was winning by fighting, and that's he most important thing.

"To play good and win is easy but to play bad and win, this is a big challenge. I was just fighting and trying to stay in."

Against Gambill, Roddick never conceded a break point. He dropped the opening set in a tiebreaker but shrugged it off.

Roddick kept the pressure on with his booming serve and managed to utilise a lone service break in each of the next two sets for his first career win in three tries against Gambill.

"It was a pretty high-quality match, but the difference in the first set and in the next two was that I just starting hitting out on the ball and starting dictating the point a little more," Roddick said.

"I couldn't get into his serving at all basically until I broke. That kind of kept me off balance because he was pitching a good game."

After splitting sets, Roddick rode an opening service break to a 4-3 lead before slamming four straight aces in the next game.

"I didn't know I hit four aces until I heard the crowd afterwards," said Roddick, who totalled 13 aces. "I thought I must've done something." (prefix number denotes seeding).

Quarter-finals

1-Andy Roddick (USA) bt Jan-Michael Gambill (USA) 6-7 (4-7) 6-4 6-3

7-Nicolas Kiefer (GER) bt 3-Robby Ginepri (USA) 6-3 7-6 (8-6)

Victor Hanescu (ROM) bt 2-Martin Verkerk (NED) 7-5 6-4

4-Vincent Spadea (USA) bt 6-James Blake (USA) 6-4 2-6 7-5

2nd rd

2-Martin Verkerk (NED) bt Cecil Mamiit (USA) 6-2 4-6 6-3

1-Andy Roddick (USA) bt Alex Bogomolov (USA) 6-4 6-3

Victor Hanescu (ROM) bt Robin Sonderling (SWE) 6-3 6-7 (5-7) 6-3

Jan-Michael Gambill (USA) bt Lars Burgsmuller (GER) 7-5 7-5

J. Corwin
03-06-2004, 08:21 PM
nice article tangy...and i'm looking forward to ur write-ups Deb.