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Nadal won't be in Basel

Samuel
10-21-2006, 12:22 PM
I just read the news on www.sf.tv that Nadal won't be at the atp swiss indoors in Basel as first sheduled.
Reason: His form is not all right.
It's a pity he won't come.:sad:
Do you think it'll help him, if he stays out of a tournament to overcome his problems?

Horatio Caine
10-21-2006, 12:24 PM
Nope...he just knows he'll get spanked by Federer, or by a shit player such as Hernych in R1 :shrug:

Exodus
10-21-2006, 12:25 PM
Nope...he just knows he'll get spanked by Federer, or by a shit player such as Hernych in R1 :shrug:

:haha: i was thinking the same thing

NicoFan
10-21-2006, 12:26 PM
That is a shame - he needs to play through his problems. Too much time off since July. Seems to be a similar trait for many of my favorites this year. :sad:

Naranoc
10-21-2006, 12:26 PM
...

His form seems fine to me. Even though he lost against Berdych, he was playing much better than he did in the previous tournaments.:confused:

oz_boz
10-21-2006, 12:29 PM
I just read the news on www.sf.tv that Nadal won't be at the atp swiss indoors in Basel as first sheduled.
Reason: His form is not all right.
It's a pity he won't come.:sad:
Do you think it'll help him, if he stays out of a tournament to overcome his problems?

:scratch: He probably has other reasons but he has every right to keep them for himself.

Halba
10-21-2006, 12:30 PM
just another clay courter pfffftt

Exodus
10-21-2006, 12:30 PM
:scratch: He probably has other reasons but he has every right to keep them for himself.

his reason is a person named Roger Federer

Fed-Express
10-21-2006, 12:44 PM
Stop bashing Nadal, that is just absolutely pathetic. :rolleyes:

nobama
10-21-2006, 12:49 PM
So is he injured? Or just prefers to save his energy for Paris? He's not been playing a lot so I can't imagine he's too tired. :confused:

cmurray
10-21-2006, 12:50 PM
come on. Give the guy a break. He wants to win and he's trying to figure out a way to do it. If that means adjusting he way he plays, then he needs time to work out the kinks. He isn't content to lose in the quarters of tourneys. Let's see what he looks like going into Paris. Maybe uncle toni is going to work on flattening out his strokes for hardcourts/faster surfaces.

Naranoc
10-21-2006, 12:51 PM
Actually, isn't he's working on adjusting his serve or something to win more cheap points off it? so maybe they're focusing on that before Paris.

CooCooCachoo
10-21-2006, 12:51 PM
Nope...he just knows he'll get spanked by Federer, or by a shit player such as Hernych in R1 :shrug:

Jan is not a shit player :rolleyes:

cmurray
10-21-2006, 12:51 PM
So is he injured? Or just prefers to save his energy for Paris? He's not been playing a lot so I can't imagine he's too tired. :confused:


I think what he's tired of is losing before he even makes the finals. I suspect he's trying to adjust his game again based on this latest batch of disappointing losses.

mallorn
10-21-2006, 12:53 PM
If anything surprised me about Basel it's that he entered the tournament at all. No reason for him to play three weeks in a row, especially at this point in the season. It's different for Roger, it's his home tournament. It's an analogous situation to what Rafa faced with MC, Barcelona and Rome.

buddyholly
10-21-2006, 12:56 PM
Nadal is the new Coria.

NeverSayDie
10-21-2006, 12:57 PM
Nadal is just going to rest before Paris :)

nobama
10-21-2006, 12:58 PM
Well I feel bad for the tournament organizers. Nadal out, Blake out. I guess I don't think it's right pulling out of a tournament because your form is off. :shrug: But if he didn't want to play three weeks in a row and then Shanghai might as well pull out of Basel and play Paris.

Exodus
10-21-2006, 12:58 PM
Nadal is the new Coria.

yeah i think you are right but at least nadal have won 2 FO while coria is probably done

Neverstopfightin
10-21-2006, 01:00 PM
It was an open secret, where is the surprise ??:shrug:

Though sometimes he commits for 3 tournaments in a row , his intention usually is not to play all of them if the last one is a masters series , and only in the case of an early defeat in the first tournament he would play the second one. This has always been his schedule policy because he doesn't want to be tired in the last and important tournament .

It's funny to see trolling commments on he has wirthdrawn because he's shit-scared of facing Roger and all these bullshists, but if Nadal is a joke out of clay how is possible to be afraid of facing Roger if he isn't gonna reach the final ?? :retard:

DrJules
10-21-2006, 01:04 PM
Since Wimbledon Nadal has played 5 events; a grand slam, 3 master series and another event and he has not gone past the quarter final. Not really the performances expected from a world number 2. This idea that Roger and Rafael are far ahead of the field is probably more fiction than fact. Yes, Nadal is the clear number 2, but he is a long long way from being number 1 (around 600 points in the ATP race behind Roger).

nobama
10-21-2006, 01:08 PM
It was an open secret, where is the surprise ??:shrug:

Though sometimes he commits for 3 tournaments in a row , his intention usually is not to play all of them if the last one is a masters series , and only in the case of an early defeat in the first tournament he would play the second one. This has always been his schedule policy because he doesn't want to be tired in the last and important tournament .

It's funny to see trolling commments on he has wirthdrawn because he's shit-scared of facing Roger and all these bullshists, but if Nadal is a joke out of clay how is possible to be afraid of facing Roger if he isn't gonna reach the final ?? :retard:
I don't think he's scared of Roger at all. And certainly not the first player to enter a tournament that it's highly likely he'll never play. But could've come up with a better excuse than this.

mallorn
10-21-2006, 01:10 PM
Since Wimbledon Nadal has played 5 events; a grand slam, 3 master series and another event and he has not gone past the quarter final. Not really the performances expected from a world number 2. This idea that Roger and Rafael are far ahead of the field is probably more fiction than fact. Yes, Nadal is the clear number 2, but he is a long long way from being number 1 (around 600 points in the ATP race behind Roger).
What's this got to do with the topic of this thread? :confused:

~*BGT*~
10-21-2006, 01:10 PM
Is he worried about the Swiss crowd cheering his double faults? ;)

:lol: That's exactly what I thought.

mallorn
10-21-2006, 01:12 PM
I don't think he's scared of Roger at all. And certainly not the first player to enter a tournament that it's highly likely he'll never play. But could've come up with a better excuse than this.
No excuse or reason ever seems to be good enough. :lol: ;)

Naranoc
10-21-2006, 01:12 PM
All it actually says is that it 'seems to be because of a lack of form' i.e. that's their own deduction for why he withdrew.

Jogy
10-21-2006, 01:13 PM
Nope...he just knows he'll get spanked by Federer, or by a shit player such as Hernych in R1 :shrug:
:haha:
who is leading the h2h by a dominating 6-2 :lol:
Nadal has killed Federer on hardcourt already two times when he played worse and does not need to be afraid of Federer

~EMiLiTA~
10-21-2006, 01:14 PM
why should he bust himself there when he's already qualified for shanghai? if it wasn't basel, i doubt fed would have played that week either

i noticed rafa had pulled out of basel yesterday, before he lost to berdych...so he was still in the madrid tournament. i thought u couldn't pull out of a tournament for the following week if you're still playing in the current week. this has happened a few times with various players this year. i guess this is one of the grey rules that doesn't always get applied properly

DrJules
10-21-2006, 01:14 PM
All it actually says is that it 'seems to be because of a lack of form' i.e. that's their own deduction for why he withdrew.

Certainly factually true, but are players allowed to withdraw for that reason?

Jogy
10-21-2006, 01:15 PM
No excuse or reason ever seems to be good enough. :lol: ;)
For some Federer idiot fans main reason is being that Federer's fake injuries and fake excuses to miss tournaments are being good enough :baby:

Naranoc
10-21-2006, 01:17 PM
Certainly factually true

You think Nadal played poorly yesterday? I don't - Berdych was just better.

Adler
10-21-2006, 01:20 PM
For some Federer idiot fans main reason is being that Federer's fake injuries and fake excuses to miss tournaments are being good enough :baby:
uuu, somebody got mad...
fake injuries & excuses? c'mon, this band over his ankle in Shanghai last year was fake too?

mallorn
10-21-2006, 01:23 PM
For some Federer idiot fans main reason is being that Federer's fake injuries and fake excuses to miss tournaments are being good enough :baby:
I didn't mean that they are not good enough only for Roger's fans. For some people here, regardless of their player preferences, Rafa can do no right.

I hope you weren't calling Mirkaland an idiot. :(

Boris Franz Ecker
10-21-2006, 01:24 PM
You think Nadal played poorly yesterday? I don't - Berdych was just better.

He played great and Berdych was luckier in set 2.
He's coming back, no doubts.

tennisgal_001
10-21-2006, 01:37 PM
If anything surprised me about Basel it's that he entered the tournament at all. No reason for him to play three weeks in a row, especially at this point in the season. It's different for Roger, it's his home tournament. It's an analogous situation to what Rafa faced with MC, Barcelona and Rome.

Exactly. I don't think it's Federer-related. Losing in the QFs probably wasn't his best option this week. There's no point travelling to Basel, then back to Paris for the AMS, then all the way to Shanghai. Better take a week off before some very hectic 2 weeks to come, work on a few things here n' there, and get ready for the last 2 weeks of the season.

Adler
10-21-2006, 01:38 PM
Oh well, he may get a serious training now and go to Shanghai in a lot better shape

nobama
10-21-2006, 01:40 PM
All I said is I think he could've come up with a better excuse. I certainly wouldn't be pleased if Roger pulled out of a tournament and said his reason was his form is off. If you're injured or fatigued, that's one thing, but just because you're not playing well? :shrug:

adee-gee
10-21-2006, 01:45 PM
his reason is a person named Roger Federer
:spit: :haha: :haha:

Yes, Nadal is scared of Federer :rolls:

Jogy
10-21-2006, 01:49 PM
:spit: :haha: :haha:

Yes, Nadal is scared of Federer :rolls:
Of course! :haha: :haha:

I always seen how scared he was against Federer
he knew he could play 80% with many easy errors and without service winniers and Federer try his best and still have good chance to win it on hardcourt and clay.

Only advantage Federer having over Nadal is very fast surface or grass where Nadal is new. 6-2 h2h with many good wins says most.

mallorn
10-21-2006, 01:58 PM
All I said is I think he could've come up with a better excuse. I certainly wouldn't be pleased if Roger pulled out of a tournament and said his reason was his form is off. If you're injured or fatigued, that's one thing, but just because you're not playing well? :shrug:
He could say something about the right knee. He wore that support in all his matches, you know.

Anyhow, it would still be interpreted as an excuse. When he withdrew from Rotterdam citing a thigh injury, some people accused him of being a liar. When he says he's withdrawing because his form is bad, other people will say it's no reason to withdraw. So in the end it doesn't really matter what he says, he'll be criticised anyway. ;)

victory1
10-21-2006, 02:01 PM
Of course! :haha: :haha:

I always seen how scared he was against Federer
he knew he could play 80% with many easy errors and without service winniers and Federer try his best and still have good chance to win it on hardcourt and clay.

Only advantage Federer having over Nadal is very fast surface or grass where Nadal is new. 6-2 h2h with many good wins says most.


It's hard to even the Head to Head when Nadal sucks at the moment. They can't meet until the finals! Roger is making the final of every tournament played except for 1 so far (befitting the #1 player) while Nadal can't seem to get pass the Quarters. Until Nadal can manage to get to a final so he play Federer or lose the #2 ranking, it will be hard for Federer to make way on the head to head outside of clay, which we know is Nadal best surface!:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

sawan66278
10-21-2006, 02:12 PM
I'm a Rafa fan, but I think if you commit to play...you only pull out if you are injured...You can always take a wild card in to the tourney if you want to play...

It seems Rafa is down even on the Internet...his domain name has been suspended!!!!!!!:eek:

NYCtennisfan
10-21-2006, 02:20 PM
Watch Nalbandian withdraw as well. We all knew Blake would withdraw because he had nothing to gain. Nadal only had about 160 points or so to gain if the tournament again has 175 ranking points available this year. He doesn't need those points because he is safe at #2 and isn't going to be catching #1 any time soon.

Sunset of Age
10-21-2006, 02:21 PM
Well, people - I can only conclude there's something seriously wrong with Rafa, may it not be physically (I mean - he was actually playing quite GOOD yesterday, let's not forget that!) then it is at least mentally.
One can call that 'lack of form', too, as the mental aspect is quite as important as the physical aspect.

Having witnessed how poorly he reacted to his loss yesterday, I don't think it's all too far off to conclude his problems are mental - but no less serious.

Give the boy a break, indeed. He needs it now. And I'd rather like to see him return in good form that have him suffer yet another blow like yesterday.
I'm wishing you a fine recovery, dear Rafa! :hug:

selesfan
10-21-2006, 02:21 PM
You think Nadal played poorly yesterday? I don't - Berdych was just better.


I agree. Nadal played as well as he usually does, Berdych was just better.

I Love Kitties
10-21-2006, 02:21 PM
:haha:
who is leading the h2h by a dominating 6-2 :lol:
Nadal has killed Federer on hardcourt already two times when he played worse and does not need to be afraid of Federer


Nadal will beat Federer during the masters cup. Mark my words ;) I am sure he can pull a nalbandian.

K-Dog
10-21-2006, 03:26 PM
People, people. Roger's form is SO much better than Rafa's form atm. Basel and Paris are on super-fast surfaces. If Rafa can't even beat players like Berdych or Johannson indoors, he has no chance against Roger. Must people be anymore convinced about the fact that other than clay, Roger is the best player in the world and personally I think that we've seen the last of Rafa getting the best of Rog on anything besides clay. Roger has 9 majors, Rafa has 2. It isn't Roger's fault that Rafa is incompetent on anything besides clay and is a one-dimensional defensive player and couldn't meet him in the finals of New York or Toronto. I think that anyone with any logic (which excludes most Rafa fans on here), would know that Roger would clean Rafa's slate this indoor season if they played.

Clara Bow
10-21-2006, 03:35 PM
But could've come up with a better excuse than this.

Well- I actually like that he is being pretty honest and upfront if that is indeed the reason why he is pulling out. Toni has mentioned for the past month or so that they are really working on changing his game and service motion but it is still a work in progress. It may not be the best reason- but at least he is being honest. I have read comments here that complain when players pull out of a tournament citing an "injury," asking them to be honest. Now a player is being quite honest if this is the reason cited.

I do agree with Claybuster that Rafa does have soemthing wrong going on between the years right now. Last year was a time of sunshine and roses. But this year- he is a real target, both of players and fans. He is experiencing the backlash that happens to a lot of sports folks after they are heralded and often overhyped. I think Nadal is a great talent, but all of a sudden a lot of folks were expecting him to be all things on all surfaces, and frankly- he isn't there yet. And while I think he will get better on hard if the changes work out- I don't think he will ever be one to get a ton of major hard court titles.

And he is getting flustered this year in a way that I have not seen him get flustered before. At the start of the year- he was still quite strong mentally. He was able to handle very hostile crowds in Paris again, for example. But he has since lost a good bit of his mental toughness. And I thought yesterday, and his remarks to Bedych and about Berdych right after the match showed that. Instead of handling it well- frankly, he handled it very poorly. He needs to work on that.

sanpo
10-21-2006, 03:46 PM
Nadal is the new Coria.

How about him being the new kuerten? I think that ought to be more fair. Dominant in clay with sparse successes in hardcourts.

Sunset of Age
10-21-2006, 04:05 PM
Well- I actually like that he is being pretty honest and upfront if that is indeed the reason why he is pulling out. Toni has mentioned for the past month or so that they are really working on changing his game and service motion but it is still a work in progress. It may not be the best reason- but at least he is being honest. I have read comments here that complain when players pull out of a tournament citing an "injury," asking them to be honest. Now when someone is being honest.

I do agree with Claybuster that Rafa does have soemthing wrong going on between the years right now. Last year was a time of sunshine and roses. But this year- he is a real target, both of players and fans. He is experiencing the backlash that happens to a lot of sports folks after they are heralded and often overhyped. I think Nadal is a great talent, but all of a sudden a lot of folks were expecting him to be all things on all surfaces, and frankly- he isn't there yet. And while I think he will get better on hard if the changes work out- I don't think he will ever be one to get a ton of major hard court titles.

And he is getting flustered this year in a way that I have not seen him get flustered before. At the start of the year- he was still quite strong mentally. He was able to handle very hostile crowds in Paris again, for example. But he has since lost a good bit of his mental toughness. And I thought yesterday, and his remarks to Bedych and about Berdych right after the match showed that. Instead of handling it well- frankly, he handled it very poorly. He needs to work on that.

Voice of Reason, Clara Bow.
One can be a Rafa-fan without being blind to his faults. He surely has them, and he'll have to get working on them. His mental state is one of those now. He's been highly overhyped, people have been expecting way too much from him lately - no wonder a 20-year old's likely to combust under that pressure.

I hope he takes all the time he needs to clear his mind - penalties for not showing up be damned - and that he'll return refreshed and with his fans being a little more realistic regarding their expectations from him. It would do him good.

RogiFan88
10-21-2006, 05:10 PM
...Rafa does have soemthing wrong going on between the years right now.

Clara, Freudian slip? years? or ears? ;)

Clara Bow
10-21-2006, 05:15 PM
Clara, Freudian slip? years? or ears?

I meant ears. Although ironically, it is making him act his years after the match in that he seemed bratty when he is usually quite mature in his losses.

cecilija
10-21-2006, 05:15 PM
nadal is done. let speak about the present and future no more of past

Sunset of Age
10-21-2006, 05:21 PM
I meant ears. Although ironically, it is making him act his years after the match in that he seemed bratty when he is usually quite mature in his losses.

;) I noticed the Freudian slip in this one... but understood you indeed meant 'ears'. :wavey:

sawan66278
10-21-2006, 05:22 PM
I agree with Clara Bow...her comments are on point...but in addition to this, Rafa needs to realize he needs more variety in his game...Look at Gonzo today, and compare him to two years ago...Larry Stefanki has done a wonderful job tempering his game and adding variety like the slice backhands and serve...

I have said this in previous posts, but Rafa needs variety to defeat players like Berdych...Will he learn and adapt? I think so...his Wimbledon run was evidence of this....

MariaV
10-21-2006, 05:32 PM
I agree with Clara Bow...her comments are on point...but in addition to this, Rafa needs to realize he needs more variety in his game...Look at Gonzo today, and compare him to two years ago...Larry Stefanki has done a wonderful job tempering his game and adding variety like the slice backhands and serve...

I have said this in previous posts, but Rafa needs variety to defeat players like Berdych...Will he learn and adapt? I think so...his Wimbledon run was evidence of this....

Totally agree. Gonzo has become an amazing player! :yeah:

And I don't understand what happened with Rafa after Wimbledon. Was it a too long layoff? But something has certainly gone wrong.

About yesterday, I don't think Rafa played bad but he is certainly delusional saying he played well.

Sunset of Age
10-21-2006, 05:44 PM
About yesterday, I don't think Rafa played bad but he is certainly delusional saying he played well.

One of the things I noticed he says about each time after a loss nowadays. Strange, indeed. He may be right about not playing *bad*, but that surely doesn't make it *well*. In any case, not well enough, and he should draw his conclusions about that but apparently he doesn't seem to manage to do so.
Nadenial, I'm afraid...

(And for once more, to those badrepping me because they think I'm not 'a true fan of Rafa's', whatever that is :rolleyes: : *blind adoration* won't be helpful to Rafa. Upbuilding critique perhaps WILL. Know the difference... :cool: )

CooCooCachoo
10-21-2006, 05:46 PM
The reason for his withdrawal should not be accepted by the ATP and should be met by a fine. Will be interesting to see if he gets fined indeed.

MariaV
10-21-2006, 05:48 PM
One of the things I noticed he says about each time after a loss nowadays. Strange, indeed. He may be right about not playing *bad*, but that surely doesn't make it *well*. In any case, not well enough, and he should draw his conclusions about that but apparently he doesn't seem to manage to do so.
Nadenial, I'm afraid...

(And for once more, to those badrepping me because they think I'm not 'a true fan of Rafa's', whatever that is :rolleyes: : *blind adoration* won't be helpful to Rafa. Upbuilding critique perhaps WILL. Know the difference... :cool: )

:yeah:
OK, I'll give you a goodrep. :D I am not one of the 'blind adoration' league either.

Sunset of Age
10-21-2006, 05:50 PM
:yeah:
OK, I'll give you a goodrep. :D I am not one of the 'blind adoration' league either.

Nor are you, so I noticed... I only just discovered that 'repping'-possibility and felt quite... :rolleyes: to see I got quite a few bad ones from some 'tards'.
Aye, I haven't been around here for very long yet, I'll get used to it! ;)

Neely
10-21-2006, 05:53 PM
Well- I actually like that he is being pretty honest and upfront if that is indeed the reason why he is pulling out. Toni has mentioned for the past month or so that they are really working on changing his game and service motion but it is still a work in progress. It may not be the best reason- but at least he is being honest. I have read comments here that complain when players pull out of a tournament citing an "injury," asking them to be honest. Now a player is being quite honest if this is the reason cited.
Very true paragraph :) Again in such a scenario, it's hard to please all people. Same like when retiring from a match. If you stop playing people are calling you a pussy or afraid to lose, if you continue playing they will find something else and will say he is pathetic or stupid to keep on playing risking injury while getting thrashed and having no chance.

I Love Kitties
10-21-2006, 05:54 PM
The reason for his withdrawal should not be accepted by the ATP and should be met by a fine. Will be interesting to see if he gets fined indeed.

So you would rather a top player burn out??

radics
10-21-2006, 06:13 PM
Imagine Roger would withdraw from a clay tournamet (with Nadal) because he feels "not in form"... :tape:

The people on GM would kill him. :armed:

Sunset of Age
10-21-2006, 06:37 PM
Imagine Roger would withdraw from a clay tournamet (with Nadal) because he feels "not in form"... :tape:

The people on GM would kill him. :armed:

Well, some of them, yeah... the ones known as 'tards'... :rolleyes:
Regarding Rafa's bad loss yesterday I can well understand he doesn't feel up to playing Rogi's backyard court. Whether the 'not in form'-quote means anything medical/physical or mental is not of any importance, as long as Rafa of course pays the fine that rightly comes along with pulling out of a tournament at the last momentum for vague reasons!

I think it's indeed a wise decision. Give the guy the chance to recuperate from an experience which I think has just been awful for him.

Fedex
10-21-2006, 06:40 PM
:spit: :haha: :haha:

Yes, Nadal is scared of Federer :rolls:

9-2! 9-2! 9-2! ;) :angel: :devil:

guga2120
10-21-2006, 06:43 PM
9-2! 9-2! 9-2! ;) :angel: :devil:

20 years old, 25 years old

cmurray
10-21-2006, 06:52 PM
Nor are you, so I noticed... I only just discovered that 'repping'-possibility and felt quite... :rolleyes: to see I got quite a few bad ones from some 'tards'.
Aye, I haven't been around here for very long yet, I'll get used to it! ;)


I got called a racist fuck once for suggesting that Novak Djokovic take a page out of Baggy's book and start playing with more heart and less complaining. Go figure. I also just got called retarded (literally) because I said I didn't approve of Rafa calling Berdych stupid. Lovely, isn't it?

Fedex
10-21-2006, 06:55 PM
20 years old, 25 years old

So you think it would be easy to make up 7 slams in 5 years? :confused: I dont think so.

Corey Feldman
10-21-2006, 06:59 PM
no big deal.. he wouldnt have done shit in basel anyway.

but he has denied us a good laugh at a defeat 1 day next week though :awww:

belco
10-21-2006, 07:06 PM
im starting to like Nadal and im bit :sad:

but... rock on nole ;)

NYCtennisfan
10-21-2006, 07:21 PM
Nadal played a lot better than he did during the summer. Although JCF and Misha played well enough, Nadal's returning, serve, and FH were not very good. I thought he played his best tennis since Wimbledon in Madrid, but Berdych was just a little bit better. Nadal only faced one break point and was doing well on his own serve as his FH was more effective than it was in North America. I think if he needed to find his "form" he has found it--he simply ran into a match-up nightmare for him in the Berdman.

Rafa = Fed Killa
10-21-2006, 07:24 PM
So you think it would be easy to make up 7 slams in 5 years? I dont think so.

Seems doable.

5 RG
2 AO

soraya
10-21-2006, 07:41 PM
:hug: :hug: You are a rarity among us.



(And for once more, to those badrepping me because they think I'm not 'a true fan of Rafa's', whatever that is :rolleyes: : *blind adoration* won't be helpful to Rafa. Upbuilding critique perhaps WILL. Know the difference... :cool: )
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Rafa = Fed Killa
10-21-2006, 07:53 PM
(And for once more, to those badrepping me because they think I'm not 'a true fan of Rafa's', whatever that is : *blind adoration* won't be helpful to Rafa. Upbuilding critique perhaps WILL. Know the difference... )

Remember Rafa fans should criticise and insult Rafa, but they should praise and pray to Fed. Claybuster is a Fedtard who acts like a Rafa fan so he can get some free shots in.

mangoes
10-21-2006, 08:01 PM
Remember Rafa fans should criticise and insult Rafa, but they should praise and pray to Fed. Claybuster is a Fedtard who acts like a Rafa fan so he can get some free shots in.

RFK since you spend more time at the Federer forum than at Rafa's forum, you very well know Claybuster spends just as much time talking about Nadal. In fact, I think Claybuster predicted a Nadal win in Madrid.

Claybuster is one of the very few posters on the forum that seems to genuinely like Nadal and Federer...........and not like some who pretend to like both players then take smarty pants swipes at the player they favor less.

Rafa = Fed Killa
10-21-2006, 08:06 PM
RFK since you spend more time at the Federer forum than at Rafa's forum, you very well know Claybuster spends just as much time talking about Nadal. In fact, I think Claybuster predicted a Nadal win in Madrid.

Claybuster is one of the very few posters on the forum that seems to genuinely like Nadal and Federer...........and not like some who pretend to like both players then take smarty pants swipes at the player they favor less.

Mangoes to Claybuster: I will be your hero baby, I'll kiss away your tears.

Go watch some ballet tennis.

My brilliance is unmatched on MTF.

Johnny Groove
10-21-2006, 08:09 PM
mangoes should have RFK's babies :devil:

CooCooCachoo
10-21-2006, 09:08 PM
So you would rather a top player burn out??

The boy is not injured. There aren't any bad personal circumstances. In the past, these kind of withdrawals have been met with fines.

You sign up = You play. If you don't play, you must have a valid reason. Not having any form is not a valid reason. Hence, you pay a fine. Simple as that.

Sunset of Age
10-21-2006, 09:45 PM
Thankees Mangoes and cmurray! :wavey:

Oops. Don't know if I'm allowed to praise you... as it's a tardy fact that a Rafa. Fan. Shall. Never. Ever. Praise. Rogi. (or those that don't bash him) :rolleyes:
(quess that rules out Rafa himself as well...)

Rafa = Fed Killa
10-21-2006, 10:51 PM
mangoes should have RFK's babies

:bolt:

P.S. Claybuster have you ever criticised Roger. If not that makes you a Fedtard since you criticise Rafa constantly.

Sunset of Age
10-21-2006, 11:00 PM
:bolt:

P.S. Claybuster have you ever criticised Roger. If not that makes you a Fedtard since you criticise Rafa constantly.

Your words, RFK. Call me a Fedtard any way you want.

Fact is that Rafa has given good reasons to criticise him lately to all those who are able to stay objective and let go of their Pink Glasses (and no, I'm not going to repeat myself on this - read my posts and you'll find out that I actually WORRY about the guy) - and Fed hasn't.
Sad but True.

Castafiore
10-21-2006, 11:06 PM
and Fed hasn't..
Well, remember the Federer vs Djokovic incident? The "Joke" incident?
If I remember correctly, you didn't make such a song and dance about that one. You said, "Federer is human". Granted, you didn't make excuses for Roger either but you simply asked people to move on. Didn't you?

Don't get me wrong, I do not think that you are a Fedtard in the slightest and I do believe you when you say that you're a fan of both but you are a bit more critical towards Rafa and more willing to sweep things under the carpet in case of Federer.

Just in case people want to jump on me for this: both Rafael Nadal and Roger Federer have reacted in a less than diplomatic way after a loss. They're not perfect. It's no big deal.

Whistleway
10-21-2006, 11:10 PM
Is this confirmed. How come I don't see the news elsewhere?

Sunset of Age
10-21-2006, 11:13 PM
Well, remember the Federer vs Djokovic incident? The "Joke" incident?
If I remember correctly, you didn't make such a song and dance about that one. You said, "Federer is human" and asked people to move on. Didn't you?

Don't get me wrong, I do not think that you are a Fedtard in the slightest and I do believe you when you say that you're a fan of both but you are a bit more critical towards Rafa and more willing to sweep things under the carpet in case of Federer.

Yep. You're right, problem is that there's more than just 'incidents' going on with Rafa - I look at the complete picture.
His recent losses, the enormous pressure he's under, the ridiculous hyping that's going on around him, and now a post-match reaction that I think is questionable at least.
I fear the guy is struggling, and I'm worried about him.

Not at all the case with Roger at this moment. I now feel sorry that I hadn't joined MTF when he lost from Murray, for instance - I can assure you that I had my critical thoughts about that move when it happend. Sadly, I have no proof, you'll have to believe me here.

As I said before, and will repeat again: I'm a fan of BOTH, but I get the impression that Rafa is a rather worrisome state lately, while Roger is not. And that accounts a lot for the difference in my postings.
Take it as you wish.

Castafiore
10-21-2006, 11:16 PM
Not at all the case with Roger at this moment. I now feel sorry that I hadn't joined MTF when he lost from Murray, for instance - I can assure you that I had my critical thoughts about that move when it happend. Sadly, I have no proof, you'll have to believe me here.
Too bad that you weren't here in the clay court season this year. It would have been interesting to read your take on many things then.

I accept that Rafa's behaviour (the "bad" word used at the net,...) was questionable but I found many of Roger's words after a loss questionable as well.
Which is FINE. Heck, a loss is hard to take for these guys. It's stupid to expect them to be gracious all the time.

Sunset of Age
10-21-2006, 11:24 PM
Too bad that you weren't here in the clay court season this year. It would have been interesting to read your take on many things then.

I accept that Rafa's behaviour (the "bad" word used at the net,...) was questionable but I found many of Roger's words after a loss questionable as well.
Which is FINE. Heck, a loss is hard to take for these guys. It's stupid to expect them to be gracious all the time.

I think we can agree on that.
Indeed, I pity that I wasn't around at that time. Let's just hope Rafa regains his form, and returns on the clay courts the way he did last year... as his achievements were indeed no less than *amazing* at that time.
Too bad it also caused expectations set on him to rise too high, and I fear that's been seriously affecting him lately.

For all, I wanted Rafa to play Rogi in Madrid's final, as you may remember. As I'm a true fan of both gentlemen, I don't bother who actually wins - as long as it's the one with the best playing during that particular match.
Guess I'll have to wait for the clay season to start again...

wcr
10-23-2006, 08:53 PM
Well- I actually like that he is being pretty honest and upfront if that is indeed the reason why he is pulling out. Toni has mentioned for the past month or so that they are really working on changing his game and service motion but it is still a work in progress. It may not be the best reason- but at least he is being honest. I have read comments here that complain when players pull out of a tournament citing an "injury," asking them to be honest. Now a player is being quite honest if this is the reason cited.

I do agree with Claybuster that Rafa does have soemthing wrong going on between the years right now. Last year was a time of sunshine and roses. But this year- he is a real target, both of players and fans. He is experiencing the backlash that happens to a lot of sports folks after they are heralded and often overhyped. I think Nadal is a great talent, but all of a sudden a lot of folks were expecting him to be all things on all surfaces, and frankly- he isn't there yet. And while I think he will get better on hard if the changes work out- I don't think he will ever be one to get a ton of major hard court titles.

And he is getting flustered this year in a way that I have not seen him get flustered before. At the start of the year- he was still quite strong mentally. He was able to handle very hostile crowds in Paris again, for example. But he has since lost a good bit of his mental toughness. And I thought yesterday, and his remarks to Bedych and about Berdych right after the match showed that. Instead of handling it well- frankly, he handled it very poorly. He needs to work on that.

Regarding Nadal's serve, I just tried to look up the stats from the tournament site and could not get access. I do recall looking at his stats after his matches in Stockholm and Madrid and remember thinking they looked good. In fact if most players can get their 1st serve stats anywhere near 60% (and above) they've had a good day. I did not see Nadal's matches so I don't know how fast they were coming in or if his service motion has changed. But, based on stats alone, his serve works. It's certainly not the best on the tour but he usually has a very high 1st % rate. Higher than most.

There must be more to his Basel withdrawl than "form" otherwise he'll be subjected to a fine, right? I hope the ATP is not turning into the WTA with player withdrawls galore. It's one thing to see players pull out at year end due to fatigue from excessive play, injuries and the like. But not to take a week off to work on a technical aspect of their game.

Both Nadal and Berdych are kids. Yes they are professional athletes and the world expects more but neither of them have a high school diploma nor are they children of world class diplomats where they might have observed exceptional PR conduct up close and personal. The prodigies I've seen can and do get freakish when things get out of control. All things considered, they and their fellow players in the ATP are bit of allright.

The good news is that they both played like they wanted to win in Madrid which is great for the game and great for fans.

Corey Feldman
10-24-2006, 01:26 AM
Well, remember the Federer vs Djokovic incident? The "Joke" incident?
If I remember correctly, you didn't make such a song and dance about that one. You said, "Federer is human". Granted, you didn't make excuses for Roger either but you simply asked people to move on. Didn't you?what was so bad about that? saying he thought djoko's antics are a joke - not like he's the first or last to say or think that..
or are you another of these that think fed called him a joke?

cmurray
10-24-2006, 01:46 AM
I'm concerned about Rafa too. I think making the final of Wimbledon caused people to expect that he would be making all finals the way Rogi does. I think it made HIM think he could make all of those finals...and the fact of the matter is that he is 20 years old and expecting to make every final simply isn't realistic yet. I didn't like how he looked during the hardcourt season, but he was playing really well in Madrid. I'm not so concerned about his play - I believe very firmly that he is talented enough for that to come around.

What I'm concerned about is his belief. One of Raf's biggest weapons is his belief that everytime he steps out on the court, he can win. I'm afraid he's going to get down on himself.

oz_boz
10-24-2006, 09:14 AM
I'm concerned about Rafa too. I think making the final of Wimbledon caused people to expect that he would be making all finals the way Rogi does. I think it made HIM think he could make all of those finals...and the fact of the matter is that he is 20 years old and expecting to make every final simply isn't realistic yet. I didn't like how he looked during the hardcourt season, but he was playing really well in Madrid. I'm not so concerned about his play - I believe very firmly that he is talented enough for that to come around.

That's an interesting thought; that Rafa's success at Wimbly happened so early that it made him overconfident.

What I'm concerned about is his belief. One of Raf's biggest weapons is his belief that everytime he steps out on the court, he can win. I'm afraid he's going to get down on himself.

Even if it was hard to imagine that Rafa could begin doubting himself, that was probably bound to happen. He couldn't keep his aura of "young and invincible" intact.

But he must have gone through similar phases before - otherwise he wouldn't be so mature. He'll probably be even stronger mentally afterwards. In the future he may not step onto the court with the belief that he WILL win, but knowing that he CAN win if he employs the right game plan.

mrserenawilliams
10-24-2006, 09:19 AM
he just wants to rest for Paris and Shanghai