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santoroholic
10-20-2006, 09:02 PM
:eek: after the match in a post match interview to spanish local tv tve, Nadal said he is a stupid player who has not respect the oponent

The crawd did yell to Berdych

fuera/out fuera/out fuera/out and Berdych was boooed

honestly i feel sorry for Madrid crowd and Rafa reaction saying those comments about Berdych, because he played an amazing and fair play match

:sad:

mangoes
10-20-2006, 09:04 PM
WOWOWOW......I hope there's a misunderstanding in that translation, or I'll have to go look for Nadal's famous words to Roger about sportsmanship......

supersexynadal
10-20-2006, 09:04 PM
get a life...
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Adler
10-20-2006, 09:05 PM
Rafa doesn't behave well when he's losing. For example this challenge o the 2nd mini-break. The ball was far away from the out zone. He must have seen it, no doubt

oz_boz
10-20-2006, 09:05 PM
:eek: after the match in a post match interview to spanish local tv tve, Nadal said he is a stupid player who has not respect the oponent

The crawd did yell to Berdych

fuera/out fuera/out fuera/out and Berdych was boooed

honestly i feel sorry for Madrid crowd and Rafa reaction saying those comments about Berdych, because he played and amazing an fair match

:sad:

What exactly did Nadal say and why? And why was the crowd booing?

Blue Heart24
10-20-2006, 09:07 PM
Complaining....Nadal isn't a sportman...LOSER

supersexynadal
10-20-2006, 09:08 PM
U couldnt even hear what he was saying!! If its true u probably assumed it by reading his lips.Theres no way he could have seen that ball. He barely saw it bounce before he hit it

Kip
10-20-2006, 09:09 PM
Oh boohoo!

Isn't this a sport?
Don't all athetes celebrate regardless
of where they are and enjoy it!

I get so tired when people continually want
to put tennis in this "PC" bubble and act
all siddity.

guga2120
10-20-2006, 09:10 PM
calling him stupid is one thing, but you can't be suprised they booed him after he shhhs all of them after beating their player.

▄︻┻┳═
10-20-2006, 09:10 PM
Loser's talk

Wannabeknowitall
10-20-2006, 09:10 PM
Sorry Rafa but you don't automatically get respect from opponents, you have to earn it.
You haven't earned it against Berdych.
He's beaten you three times, he doesn't seem to be that worried about losing to you.
You need to change that before Berdych goes out of his way to give you respect.
His game isn't that hard.
Berdych has more issues with the higher shots than the lower ones but you have to put the spin over his shoulders.

Natasc
10-20-2006, 09:13 PM
come on guys, lets be real, Berdych put the finger on his mouth like saying SHUT UP for the crowd

that was a stupid thing to do
and then the crowd started to boooed Berd

which he deserved, 'cause u cant do a thing like that!!
make the shut up signal for a 7000 people?!
where's the respect for all those peoples over there??
they pay your money, after all tennis is a show....

so before u say about "Nadal bad behavior"
take a good look at what Thomas did....

TULY
10-20-2006, 09:13 PM
Loser!

supersexynadal
10-20-2006, 09:14 PM
Whats up with everone!!!???? This thread was made right after rafa left the court and there were no on court interviews that we could hear

sawan66278
10-20-2006, 09:14 PM
:mad: The only way to describe Berdych is: a complete jackass. After he won the final point, he started mocking the Madrid crowd by laughing and "shushing" the crowd by taking his pointer finger to his lip...as he twirled around...no respect for the crowd who wanted to cheer on the local hero...Rafa called him out, and I am glad...there is a fine line between playful reactions and utter disdain...what a lack of class and sportsmanship:mad: :mad:

Its natural that people will cheer on one of the their own, particularly since there is no grand slam in Spain...and to mock them was uncalled for...

All I can say is that I, and obviously Rafa, have no respect for him...can you imagine Rafa doing this to Roger in his home tourney...

I can tell you this..the Spanish fans will not be pulling for him...no matter who he plays...and that would be the right reaction...:mad:

Bagelicious
10-20-2006, 09:14 PM
Well evidently he was smart enough to beat Rafa in front of an unruly misbehaved crowd.

Naranoc
10-20-2006, 09:14 PM
Watch MTF explode once the majority of posters get here. I'm already finding it excrutiatingly slow...

selesfan
10-20-2006, 09:14 PM
That stupid player kicked his ass 3 times this year.;) What a sore loser:rolleyes:

Naranoc
10-20-2006, 09:15 PM
^ Twice...

▄︻┻┳═
10-20-2006, 09:16 PM
The local Spanish people include the organizer should really do some self-criticism first, have they ever being fair to Tomas?

Black Adam
10-20-2006, 09:16 PM
Nadal felt he had to compensate for Federer's "joke comment on Djokovic"

tangerine_dream
10-20-2006, 09:18 PM
Nadal calling somebody stupid during a media interview is completely out of character for Nadal. Therefore, I'm not buying it.

Natasha2005
10-20-2006, 09:18 PM
OH MAGOES YOU ARE A HOOT...Absolutely hilarious but oh so correct.... As I recall he said how Fed needs to be able to learn to lose graciously....I must say I am shocked at Nadals reaction if what is reported is true because I held him up to be a great example of a TRUE BLUE sportsman...He comes off in his interviews as so intelligent, mature and humble but I guess no one even the saintly Nadal is perfect.

I love both players but Berdyc was clearly the better player tonight but overall the birdman has so much weapons. I think it helps that he and Nadal is of the same generation hence not intimated by him

I am not supporting B's gesture at the end but I can totally understand as the crowd was rude at times in the zeal to ssupport nadal plus Nadal did try to get in B's face...


I ABSOLUTELY LOVED B'S REACTION WHEN NADAL PUT UP HIS HAND WHEN B WAS SERVING. B RIGHTLY SAID TO THE UMPIRE THAT SERVER DICTATES PACE. IF HE CANT COMPLAIN ABOUT NADALS LONG TIME BETWEEN SERVES THEN NADAL HAS TO ACCEPT B'S FAST PACE

I MUST SAY THAT I KINDA SECRETLY LOVED B'S REACTION IN THE END...IT WAS TOTALLY GANSTA BUT NOT MATURE OR SPORTING BUT UNDERSTANDABLE ALL THE SAME

Whistleway
10-20-2006, 09:18 PM
Really, he did nothing wrong. Berdych was cool and was playful with the crowd. He was very fair.

Wannabeknowitall
10-20-2006, 09:19 PM
come on guys, lets be real, Berdych put the finger on his mouth like saying SHUT UP for the crowd

that was a stupid thing to do
and then the crowd started to boooed Berd

which he deserved, 'cause u cant do a thing like that!!
make the shut up signal for a 7000 people?!
where's the respect for all those peoples over there??
they pay your money, after all tennis is a show....

so before u say about "Nadal bad behavior"
take a good look at what Thomas did....

Well they should have shut up.
Yes Nadal had a home field advantage but it became rude after the first set.
Clapping on faults is disgusting.
I've seen this at Madrid, the US Open, and the French Open, and I have to say the Madrid crowd might be the rudest because they likely would have done the same thing if Nadal played Federer in the final.

They were a rowdy crowd and I hope they have better tennis etiquette the next time around.

guga2120
10-20-2006, 09:21 PM
the crowd was not bad at all compared to New York and Paris, and if you do that after you win, you deserved to get Booed big time.

Cristine
10-20-2006, 09:21 PM
His attitude was really stupid.

BlakeJamitis
10-20-2006, 09:21 PM
come on guys, lets be real, Berdych put the finger on his mouth like saying SHUT UP for the crowd

that was a stupid thing to do
and then the crowd started to boooed Berd

which he deserved, 'cause u cant do a thing like that!!
make the shut up signal for a 7000 people?!
where's the respect for all those peoples over there??
they pay your money, after all tennis is a show....

so before u say about "Nadal bad behavior"
take a good look at what Thomas did....

Berdych did the right thing. These people were rude even before he did that - clapping for his faults & other cheers that were unnecessary. So Berdych took the me against the world mentality. When he beat Nadal, he simply told them to hush. Great gesture in my opinion & quite hilarious. If I was in that crowd, my response to his hush signal would have been ... "I guess he told us." Followed by laughter. Afterall, it's just a game. :)

supersexynadal
10-20-2006, 09:21 PM
maybe this is what happened.

After berdych hushed the crowd, nadal and him exchanged some rude words at the net. Nadal didnt like what he did to his home crowd. About that interview, if its true (itsnot untill i get actual audio) he said cz of what berdych did

selesfan
10-20-2006, 09:22 PM
Whats up with everone!!!???? This thread was made right after rafa left the court and there were no on court interviews that we could hear


He was being interviewed right after the match but the Tennis Channel doesn't air them for some reason

rofe
10-20-2006, 09:22 PM
Nadal needs to learn how to lose!

What happened Nadal, couldn't keep up that fake innocent boy image....tsk, tsk

Stupid indeed! :haha:

santoroholic
10-20-2006, 09:22 PM
What exactly did Nadal say and why? And why was the crowd booing?

well my english is awful but i will try to explain

when Berdych won the Tie break he did go to his chair and he did see the crowd and put his finger on his mouth in a shhhhhhhhh way, then the crowd react angry and he did boooed more, btw: in the whole match the crowd was annoying with Berdych as is usual when Nadal is playing, the crowd always support rafa, to cheer him and also booo the current opponent.

Well always after the match, the local spanish tv, tve do a little interview and he said: I played well, I did try to do my best etc, and add Berdych is a stupid player he did see me in bad way sometimes in the match, and is not sportmanship player, he is a stupid.

sorry for my english

Natasc
10-20-2006, 09:23 PM
The local Spanish people include the organizer should really do some self-criticism first, have they ever being fair to Tomas?

come on men, lets be real
Im a brazilian, so...if argentina came here to play the brazil football team... what would u think I would do?!

OF COURSE THAT WE ALL ARE GOING TO CHEER FOR THE BRAZIL TEAM :rolleyes:

whats is wrong with this??
in fact I think that makes the game more interesting... the whole cheer thing

thats why Davis Cup is so funny....

s.m.
10-20-2006, 09:25 PM
at gsm berdych shuts the crowd with THE FINGER
then berdych goes even further and puts his hands on his ears, like to say gimme some more hate
then nadal refuses to shake his hand
berdych sits down and urges the crowd with his hands to boo him some more
that is the reason for nadal´s reaction

FERLKE
10-20-2006, 09:26 PM
well my english is awful but i will try to explain

when Berdych won the Tie break he did go to his chair and he did see the crowd and put his finger on his mouth in a shhhhhhhhh way, then the crowd react angry and he did boooed more, btw: in the whole match the crowd was annoying with Berdych as is usual when Nadal is playing, the crowd always support rafa, to cheer him and to booo the current opponent.

Well always after the match, the local spanish tv, tve do a little interview and he said: I played well, I did try to do my best etc, and add Berdych is a stupid player he did see me in bad way sometimes in the match, and is an not sportmanship player, he is a stupid.

sorry for my english

Berdych behaved like an idiot:o

Naranoc
10-20-2006, 09:27 PM
If he did say it, then yes he does deserve the stick he gets - it leaves a bitter ending to the match, and undermines Nadal's 'politically correct' reputation and respect to opponents. Still, he won the tournament last year and has lost a load of points the whole appeal of the tournament for the Spaniards and organisors depended on him, and the continuing questions over his post-Wimbledon slump will resurface.

*Ljubica*
10-20-2006, 09:27 PM
Maybe Berdych was a little provocative to put his finger to his lips to the crowd at the end - but after every one of his brilliant shots in this match was met with almost total silence :rolleyes: I can't say I blame him. Nadal tried every trick he knew to intimidate Berdych (taking even longer than usual between points etc until he got a warning from Lahyani that caused another daft chorus of booing from the crowd), but Berdych was cool enough not to let it get to him during the course of play. At the end of the match I guess he just let his emotions show a little :shrug: There was definately some kind of altercation between the two of them at the net at the end, seemingly engineered by Nadal who started speaking first, though our TV didn't pick up what was said - but he certainly wasn't happy with Berdych, and Berdych seemed genuinely shocked by whatever he had said to him.

BlakeJamitis
10-20-2006, 09:27 PM
Tell the crowd to get out the kitchen if they can't stand the heat. If you can cheer against me, why can't I cheer against you (gesturing you be quiet after I win)

People are making this bigger than it is

WF4EVER
10-20-2006, 09:27 PM
If Nadal said that he's a hypocrite. He's the one always jumping up and down and alla round like a clown, and shouting Vamos. Even when Nadal is down 0-40 and wins the next point he still behaves like he just earned himself a match point or a set point. His antics are ridiculous.

The crowd was terrible for the most part but Berdych had some people cheering for him. When he double faulted it was ridiculously applauded. So anything Berdych did as well deserved by the crowd because they were very rude.
ANd for Nadal to say that what Berdych did was bad was utterly hypocritical.

supersexynadal
10-20-2006, 09:28 PM
at gsm berdych shuts the crowd with THE FINGER
then berdych goes even further and puts his hands on his ears, like to say gimme some more hate
then nadal refuses to shake his hand
berdych sits down and urges the crowd with his hands to boo him some more
that is the reason for nadal´s reaction

The shook hands but we'll know what they said to each other at the net in thei interviews

lucashg
10-20-2006, 09:28 PM
What a hypocrite loser. He pumps the crowd to get behind him (like he needed to), acts like a twat the whole match as the local crowd and wants his share of respect from Berdych? Nadal and the crowd gave him the right to do those gestures. Berdych could've chosen to play classy and it'd have been better, but I don't entirely disapprove of his behavior at the end of the match.

Sunset of Age
10-20-2006, 09:29 PM
:haha: :haha: :haha:
quick some fetch the rattle that has went flying from Rafa's pram..
little Mr Sportsmanship does get well pissed afterall then eh :lol: :lol:
yes rafa, someone who slaps you 3 matches in a row is stupid :baby:
LOL

OHH Berdy i fucking love you man... not only beating Rafa but pissing of the fans :haha: :haha: :lol:
this boy will be a legend to me for years to come

:rolls:

Well, Escude, though being a Rafa-fan, I have to agree with you once again.
Very sorry, but the audience was AWFUL this evening, cheering for Tomas' UEs and double faults and the like. He had ALL RIGHT to react the way he did.

On Rafa's words? I actually want to hear PROOF that he actually said that. I mean I understand him being pissed-off, his on-court behaviour on his loss was bad, too - but this really goes too far.
Even a Rafa-tard should acknowledge that.
*Losing* is one of the aspects of tennis too, Rafa. Better get used to it, as it happens to ALL!

And yes: this comes from a Rafa-fan, who thinks he should work on the lesser aspects of his game and personality. I think that would serve him a lot better than Blind Adoration, as some 'fans' seem to think.
The guy is not perfect, and no angel. He's human and has his faults -and today they became mighty obvious for all to see.

Hope he'll get over it soon, and apologize to Tomas. Now THAT would be a great, grown-up, sportsman-like reaction.

Sorry for long post, people. :angel:

BIGMARAT
10-20-2006, 09:29 PM
Whatever Guys!!

Berdych Won!! and this is a big game for him to be in masters semis and beating the world number 2.

Lets just celebrate with Berdych and Nadal is just sour graping.

nobama
10-20-2006, 09:29 PM
The TTC commentators didn't think the crowd behaved properly. Of course they ripped the crowd during the Ginepri/Lopez match too. I have no problem with Berdych throwing it back at the crowd. They deserve it. This isn't DC. Nadal's not playing for Spain.

Wannabeknowitall
10-20-2006, 09:30 PM
the crowd was not bad at all compared to New York and Paris, and if you do that after you win, you deserved to get Booed big time.

Not even the New York and Paris crowds clap at faults.
That was ridiculous.
He was being booed before then.
Booed for using a challenge. Why?
He didn't complain about Rafa taking 30-40 seconds in between service points.
He didn't complain once.
All he did with his hush up was what should be said,
if the Madrid crowd wasn't going to say anything nice, don't say anything at all.
Obviously they didn't get that because they continued to boo but then again what are you to expect from a home crowd, all intelligence just leaves a home crowd once a match begins.

Natasc
10-20-2006, 09:30 PM
Berdych did the right thing. These people were rude even before he did that - clapping for his faults & other cheers that were unnecessary. So Berdych took the me against the world mentality. When he beat Nadal, he simply told them to hush. Great gesture in my opinion & quite hilarious. If I was in that crowd, my response to his hush signal would have been ... "I guess he told us." Followed by laughter. Afterall, it's just a game. :)

come on men?!
dont tell me u think thats right!!
someone asking the someone to SHUT UP?!
since when this is right??

its something called "classy"....our mothers usually teach this to us when we are younger.... for see if we learn something

Im not saying that Nadal, Roger (or even Maria) are right on what they do
all I said is that what Berd did was wrong
and thats a fact...

selesfan
10-20-2006, 09:30 PM
If Nadal said that he's a hypocrite. He's the one always jumping up and down and alla round like a clown, and shouting Vamos. Even when Nadal is down 0-40 and wins the next point he still behaves like he just earned himself a match point or a set point. His antics are ridiculous.

The crowd was terrible for the most part but Berdych had some people cheering for him. When he double faulted it was ridiculously applauded. So anything Berdych did as well deserved by the crowd because they were very rude.
ANd for Nadal to say that what Berdych did was bad was utterly hypocritical.


I agree Nadal is a hypocrite, he is so unwatchable with his screaming, dirty looks at his opponents, jumping up and down. I think he is worse than Hewitt ever was.

Denisse
10-20-2006, 09:30 PM
well, all i could hear rafa telling him was: that was wrong, that was really wrong. and berdych just walked away like he didn't care. i mean, yeah they were being loud and all, but he should have tried to keep himself on their good side, what better way to shut them up than win the match. it's pretty normal to hear people cheering loudly for their only hope of a spaniard winning the tournament.

SloKid
10-20-2006, 09:31 PM
come on men, lets be real
Im a brazilian, so...if argentina came here to play the brazil football team... what would u think I would do?!

OF COURSE THAT WE ALL ARE GOING TO CHEER FOR THE BRAZIL TEAM :rolleyes:

whats is wrong with this??
in fact I think that makes the game more interesting... the whole cheer thing

thats why Davis Cup is so funny....
Yes and in football too you see players using that same gesture to shut up the crowd, when they score sometimes.
You cannot accuse Tomas of doing something terribly wrong and in the same breathe defend the crowd.

artlinkletter
10-20-2006, 09:31 PM
Maybe Berdych was a little provocative to put his finger to his lips to the crowd at the end - but after every one of his brilliant shots in this match was met with almost total silence :rolleyes: I can't say I blame him. Nadal tried every trick he knew to intimidate Berdych (taking even longer than usual between points etc until he got a warning from Lahyani that caused another daft chorus of booing from the crowd), but Berdych was cool enough not to let it get to him during the course of play. At the end of the match I guess he just let his emotions show a little :shrug: There was definately some kind of altercation between the two of them at the net at the end, seemingly engineered by Nadal who started speaking first, though our TV didn't pick up what was said - but he certainly wasn't happy with Berdych, and Berdych seemed genuinely shocked by whatever he had said to him.

I noticed this as well. I think Berdych expected the hostility from the crowd but not Nadal. In Nadal's defense, he probably thought the finger on the lips wasn't necessary and perhaps that why he was angered.

DrJules
10-20-2006, 09:32 PM
The crowd was terrible for the most part but Berdych had some people cheering for him. When he double faulted it was ridiculously applauded.


Reminds me of the crowd in New York when Nadal lost to Blake in 2005.

rofe
10-20-2006, 09:33 PM
The funny thing is, Nadal did the same "sshhhh" action against Seb at FO 2005 when the French crowd was booing him. Damn hypocrite.

artlinkletter
10-20-2006, 09:33 PM
well, all i could hear rafa telling him was: that was wrong, that was really wrong. and berdych just walked away like he didn't care. i mean, yeah they were being loud and all, but he should have tried to keep himself on their good side, what better way to shut them up than win the match. it's pretty normal to hear people cheering loudly for their only hope of a spaniard winning the tournament.

He didn't walk away. He actually walked towards Nadal, either to ask what he said or to reply to what Nadal had said earliar. Berdych seemed taken aback by what Nadal had said to him at the net.

jayjay
10-20-2006, 09:33 PM
come on men, lets be real
Im a brazilian, so...if argentina came here to play the brazil football team... what would u think I would do?!

OF COURSE THAT WE ALL ARE GOING TO CHEER FOR THE BRAZIL TEAM :rolleyes:

whats is wrong with this??
in fact I think that makes the game more interesting... the whole cheer thing

thats why Davis Cup is so funny....

You don't make any sense, earlier you said that Berdych was stupid to do what he did and here you are saying that you would do what you could to put the opposition off.

If you can give it out, you should be able to take it.

When a player/team has been put off all match by 10 or 100,000 people there is nothing better than making them silent and giving them just a little of their taunts back by putting the finger to the lips.

Anyone who ever acts the asshole to a player or team in the stadium, and then cries about it when they get a little bit of it back are the biggest idiots on the planet.

As I said earlier, if you are not big enough to get it back don't give it out in the first place. To the victor the spoils and bragging rights.

Congratulations to Berdych on an awesome display and showing great composure for 99.99% of the match (the only blot was going from 5-4 up to 6-5 down in the breaker, but then he showed great strength of mind to turn that around and close the match).

Luka Matic
10-20-2006, 09:33 PM
cccc he has snapped!!!

He lost! That's it!!!

revolution
10-20-2006, 09:34 PM
I'm not being biased but most I always find crowds in non-English speaking countries tend to be very poor losers.

Well done Tomas, I'd have done the same. In fact if we were playing in RG I'd have told them to fuck off.

Naranoc
10-20-2006, 09:35 PM
Shhhh you silly Spaniards:

BIGMARAT
10-20-2006, 09:35 PM
Berdych deserves to cheer for himself too if the crowd is against him.
Also I cant believed the Spain crowd for not cheering the wonderful shots that Berdych delievered.

supersexynadal
10-20-2006, 09:35 PM
This is the CROWD. THE CROWD!!! its expected! The same withthe us open and the french open. This isnt nadals extended family cheering for him, theyre spaniards cheering for their man. Rude but expected and when ur playing at that level, u deal with it like berdych did, besides what he did at the end

ufokart
10-20-2006, 09:36 PM
I basically agree with what Rosie said.

What Berdych did wasn't very classy, but i would have probably done the same.

There is a difference between cheering for your favorite and boo every time the oponent wins a point. That is rude and a lot of players would lose their concentration.

The Ginepri match was also a disgrace. Ginepri only did a gesture and all of a sudden the crowd was booing him even when they were playing the point :rolleyes: . And then some people had the nerve to say that Ginepri should apologise :haha:

selesfan
10-20-2006, 09:36 PM
He didn't walk away. He actually walked towards Nadal, either to ask what he said or to reply to what Nadal had said earliar. Berdych seemed taken aback by what Nadal had said to him at the net.


That is true, he walked towards Rafa because he seemed surprised that he was mad at him.

Natasha2005
10-20-2006, 09:37 PM
LOL

I FORGOT THAT ONE ROFE BUT U ARE SO RIGHT

YOU GUYS ARE ABSOLUTELY HILARIOUS...I USE TO SYMPATHISE WITH THE RAFA FANS BECAUSE I THOUGHT THE PIGGY ROASTING THREAD WAS A BIT HARSH BUT NOT TONIGHT. RAFA WAS DISAPPOINTING IN HIS BEHAVIOOUR...FIRST I USE TO THINK THE LONG TIME BETWEEN SERVES WAS FOR HIM TO THINK THROUGH HIS GAME PLAN LIKE HOW I AM GOING TO PLAY THIS NEXT POINT BUT I HAVE A SNEAKING SUSPICION THAT BECAUSE HE NOW KNOWS IT GETS INTO SOME PLAYERS HEAD HE IS CONTINUALLY DOING IT NOW....

CHECK OUT THE PIGGY ROASTING THREAD...ABSOLUTELY HILARIOUS TONIGHT

Wannabeknowitall
10-20-2006, 09:37 PM
Reminds me of the crowd in New York when Nadal lost to Blake in 2005.

Funny you should say that.
Blake got the home crowd advantage in New York and used it.
When Monfils got that same home crowd advantage at the French Open this year, he complained.

No complaining from Nadal with the disgruntled crowds at the French and US Open.
Once he gets a crowd that is booing for the opponent, his last action is to be rude himself to the opponent?

Weird.

BlakeJamitis
10-20-2006, 09:38 PM
come on men?!
dont tell me u think thats right!!
someone asking the someone to SHUT UP?!
since when this is right??

its something called "classy"....our mothers usually teach this to us when we are younger.... for see if we learn something

Im not saying that Nadal, Roger (or even Maria) are right on what they do
all I said is that what Berd did was wrong
and thats a fact...

Are you kidding me? As my last post stated, it's a game. If I was in that crowd, I would have laughed. Especially after the way they acted in the match. The fact is - Berdych did a great job & simply put a finger over his mouth. It DOES NOT even mean shut up. It means I've silenced you.

santoroholic
10-20-2006, 09:40 PM
really I feel sad :sad: because i m fan of both and is sad hear and read insults between the players, today Rafa :sad: yesterday Nalby called "basura" / "trash" Tim Henman, I m fan of Nalby, Rafa, Tim, Thomas and see those things make me feel really sad in special for the tennis as a sport

honestly I did think in ATP the friendship was more deep compared to WTA, but those fact show to me that i m wrong :sad:

also Nicolas Almagro insulted Manolo Santana because he did not give a W.C. to the main draw (the W.C. was for Tim Henman)

really sad :sad:

Natasha2005
10-20-2006, 09:40 PM
Exactamondo jakieboy

oz_boz
10-20-2006, 09:40 PM
Reminds me of the crowd in New York when Nadal lost to Blake in 2005.

(I take your words for true after having read some of your posts.) That's what I guessed, they were no worse than in USO or FO. Then my opinion is that Tomas' gesture was a bit uncalled for, beating Rafa in straights in front of his home crowd is more than enough to shut the jerks up. Hopefully he'll grow up, after all he's still only 21.

supersexynadal
10-20-2006, 09:40 PM
I'm not being biased but most I always find crowds in non-English speaking countries tend to be very poor losers.

Well done Tomas, I'd have done the same. In fact if we were playing in RG I'd have told them to fuck off.

Its called having a good time:p If there were no rules people would act like the american, french and spanish crowd at all times. So when u know u wont bare the consequeces of actions like these then y not??? I was there last year and we just did it for the hell of it

WF4EVER
10-20-2006, 09:43 PM
Maybe Berdych was a little provocative to put his finger to his lips to the crowd at the end - but after every one of his brilliant shots in this match was met with almost total silence :rolleyes: I can't say I blame him. Nadal tried every trick he knew to intimidate Berdych (taking even longer than usual between points etc until he got a warning from Lahyani that caused another daft chorus of booing from the crowd), but Berdych was cool enough not to let it get to him during the course of play. At the end of the match I guess he just let his emotions show a little :shrug: There was definately some kind of altercation between the two of them at the net at the end, seemingly engineered by Nadal who started speaking first, though our TV didn't pick up what was said - but he certainly wasn't happy with Berdych, and Berdych seemed genuinely shocked by whatever he had said to him.

There was even one point in the match that on the changeover Rafa was still shouting Vamos and I thought that was just an intimidation tactic. The commentators at ESPN Dep even got to counting Rafa's time he took to serve: he has to line up his socks, dig out his ass and then look around before he serves. At one point he seemed exasperated at having to wait and I found that especially hilarious since he's the one who's always making his opponent wait.

I have to say that I thought Berdych handled the pressure very well. I can't say that I saw him flinch once, even when his serve was at risk. He clearly demonstrated that he is not afraid of Rafael at all, nor the Spanish crowd.

And for all those people who think the Spanish crowd had a right to behave that way because of Rafa, respect is a two-way street. They totally disrespected Berdych and he treated them the same way, so if he acted like an idiot he was merely following the trend that they had set throughout the match.

I've never seen Rafael behave this way and it certainly reeks of being a poor loser.

croat123
10-20-2006, 09:43 PM
:haha: talk about a sore loser
the crowd was repulsive as always, tomas should have known better than to taunt them (but you can't blaim him cause he had to put up with that shit for the entire match), and rafa's comment is disgusting

selesfan
10-20-2006, 09:44 PM
Are you kidding me? As my last post stated, it's a game. If I was in that crowd, I would have laughed. Especially after the way they acted in the match. The fact is - Berdych did a great job & simply put a finger over his mouth. It DOES NOT even mean shut up. It means I've silenced you.

I would have laughed too. I wasn't surprised by the crowd but I was surpised at Nadal's reaction. Berdych did nothing to him except outplay him.

Blue Heart24
10-20-2006, 09:45 PM
Berdych :worship:

muriel
10-20-2006, 09:45 PM
There was even one point in the match that on the changeover Rafa was still shouting Vamos and I thought that was just an intimidation tactic. The commentators at ESPN Dep even got to counting Rafa's time he took to serve: he has to line up his socks, dig out his ass and then look around before he serves. At one point he seemed exasperated at having to wait and I found that especially hilarious since he's the one who's always making his opponent wait.

I have to say that I thought Berdych handled the pressure very well. I can't say that I saw him flinch once, even when his serve was at risk. He clearly demonstrated that he is not afraid of Rafael at all, nor the Spanish crowd.

And for all those people who think the Spanish crowd had a right to behave that way because of Rafa, respect is a two-way street. They totally disrespected Berdych and he treated them the same way, so if he acted like an idiot he was merely following the trend that they had set throughout the match.

I've never seen Rafael behave this way and it certainly reeks of being a poor loser.

:lol:


:worship: to all you said :yeah:

Nathaliia
10-20-2006, 09:46 PM
Well, I have seen Nadal's reaction on Stockholm's crowd supporting PimPim. Was very similar to what Madrid's crowd did tonight. Back then, Nadal was pissed, now he is together with the crowd. This is what I like in the players the most - ability of changing views on life and adjusting to different situations that life brings :yeah:

;)

selesfan
10-20-2006, 09:46 PM
Well, I have seen Nadal's reaction on Stockholm's crowd supporting PimPim. Was very similar to what Madrid's crowd did tonight. Back then, Nadal was pissed, now he is together with the crowd. This is what I like in the players the most - ability of changing views on life and adjusting to different situations that life brings :yeah:

;)


:lol:

CooCooCachoo
10-20-2006, 09:47 PM
I lost the tiniest bit of respect I had for Nadal.

Pigpen Stinks
10-20-2006, 09:47 PM
come on men?!
dont tell me u think thats right!!
someone asking the someone to SHUT UP?!
since when this is right??

its something called "classy"....our mothers usually teach this to us when we are younger.... for see if we learn something

Im not saying that Nadal, Roger (or even Maria) are right on what they do
all I said is that what Berd did was wrong
and thats a fact...

Ummm, that's your opinion. You may think it's a fact, but it's really just your opinion.

I thought it was pretty funny, actually. I don't think it was necessarily the smartest thing to do, and he certainly can't be surprised for being booed. We see this type of behavior from atheletes in just about all other sports when they're playing on the road. And this was definitely a "road" match for Berdy. Not that big a deal in my mind.

Natasc
10-20-2006, 09:48 PM
Are you kidding me? As my last post stated, it's a game. If I was in that crowd, I would have laughed. Especially after the way they acted in the match. The fact is - Berdych did a great job & simply put a finger over his mouth. It DOES NOT even mean shut up. It means I've silenced you.

Im the one who must say "are u kidding me?"
"It DOES NOT even mean shut up. It means I've silenced you." :rolleyes:
sure, means that he calling u out for a dinner...ow come on!!

u would have laughted??
if someone ask u to shut up... I doubt u woult at least be quiet...

about football players making that gestures... u guys should pay more attention for what happens "AFTER" the gestures...

and about the whole NY and PARIS dont make that... now is time: WHAT?!
they bash players!!
Dementieva after defeating Capriati in USO'04 replied after be asked about the whole NY pressure that the crowds makes: "Yeah, they keep saying a lot of bad things for u, during the whole match, but they always do that, u must keep yourself focus"
and paris do cheer after UE...just like NY
and others places.... :rolleyes:

that whole thread has turn into a fight between the Nadal side and the Berdych said
If Nadal was disrespectful to Berdych, Berdych was equal disrespectful to the crowd.
For me is very simple, both were wrong, period.

*Ljubica*
10-20-2006, 09:49 PM
Its called having a good time:p If there were no rules people would act like the american, french and spanish crowd at all times. So when u know u wont bare the consequeces of actions like these then y not??? I was there last year and we just did it for the hell of it

At the risk of sounding biased (as JXNeutron said) - why do they have to be rude and disrespectful to have a good time :confused: The Wimbledon crowd enjoy themselves - and cheer for Tim or Andy Murray - but they don't cheer oponents' double faults or behave like caged animals - and when a Brits' opponent makes a good shot they generally applaud :angel: It's called good manners and respect to someone who is trying their hardest out there - it's a tennis match between two sportsmen - not some nationalistic war.

Billabong
10-20-2006, 09:49 PM
wow that was classy from Nadal, as always:rolleyes:

RickDaStick
10-20-2006, 09:49 PM
Someone tell that monkey to stfu. He must be getting tired of getting beat by a real tennis player, something he will never be no matter where he is ranked. nadal is nothing more then a clay court specialist.

mallorn
10-20-2006, 09:50 PM
If it's true, Rafa definitely shouldn't have said it, even if he felt provoked by Berdych's behaviour. I hope it'll get cleared up asap.
The funny thing is, Nadal did the same "sshhhh" action against Seb at FO 2005 when the French crowd was booing him. Damn hypocrite.
The crowd in Paris was booing the umpire.

muriel
10-20-2006, 09:50 PM
At the risk of sounding biased (as JXNeutron said) - why do they have to be rude and disrespectful to have a good time :confused: The Wimbledon crowd enjoy themselves - and cheer for Tim or Andy Murray - but they don't cheer oponents' double faults or behave like caged animals - and when a Brits' opponent makes a good shot they generally applaud :angel: It's called good manners and respect to someone who is trying their hardest out there - it's a tennis match between two sportsmen - not some nationalistic war.

:worship: :worship:

The Pro
10-20-2006, 09:51 PM
Rational Rafa fan here.

I can understand Berdych's reaction. The crows were being rude. While I would have not responded personally I can understand the mixed euphoria of winning and of being 'abused' would cause him to make a response. I mean, you are alone on the tennis court against a whole stadium, and you win! If they are clapping your faults then a response may be in order.

At the same time though, Nadal has faced many partisan crowds (including perhaps the most partisan of all, the RG bunch and the US Open J-Block) and he has not celebrated his victories with shushing the crowd.

Berdych was being overt. I would not criticise him, but Nadal would have drawn from his own experience in that situation and decided that Tomas over-reacted.

Imagine you are playing at home and someone beats you then shushes your countrymen, you may have trouble seeing their point of view. Neither player was at fault really. All's fair in love and tennis.

mangoes
10-20-2006, 09:53 PM
There was even one point in the match that on the changeover Rafa was still shouting Vamos and I thought that was just an intimidation tactic. The commentators at ESPN Dep even got to counting Rafa's time he took to serve: he has to line up his socks, dig out his ass and then look around before he serves. At one point he seemed exasperated at having to wait and I found that especially hilarious since he's the one who's always making his opponent wait.
.


The best one for me was holding up his hand as Berdych was about to serve. Nadal did try a lot of different antics to distract Berdych. I have to give Berdych a lot of credit for keeping focused especially amid such a crowd.

If Berdych adopts some of this mental strength during other tournaments, he'll be in the top 5 very soon.

ufokart
10-20-2006, 09:54 PM
At the risk of sounding biased (as JXNeutron said) - why do they have to be rude and disrespectful to have a good tme The Wimbledon crowd enjoy themselves - and cheer for Tim or Andy Murray - but they don't cheer oponents' double faults or behave like caged animals - and when a Brits' opponent makes a good shot they generally applaud It's called good manners and respect to someone who s trying their hardest out there - it's a tennis match between two sportsmen - not some nationalistic war.

:worship: :worship:


I'm not going to say that loud cheering is wrong. I love when the crowd is involved and cheering strongly for BOTH players, but when it's one sided just like this one it's starts to get very annoying and disrespectful.


and about the whole NY and PARIS dont make that... now is time: WHAT?!
they bash players!!
Dementieva after defeating Capriati in USO'04 replied after be asked about the whole NY pressure that the crowds makes: "Yeah, they keep saying a lot of bad things for u, during the whole match, but they always do that, u must keep yourself focus"
and paris do cheer after UE...just like NY
and others places....

Saying that Madrid is no better than the us open or the roland garros crowd won't help you make your point i'm afraid. They are rude and annoying, so the madrid crowd should also be rude and annoying?

fefa19
10-20-2006, 09:54 PM
Oh, I like both Rafa and Berdych, and that´s not the first time Berdy has done that kind of gesture to a crowd. It was kinda funny, since spanish crowd was being annoying in a non-sport way. Can´t blame Berdy for keeping his temper through the whole match and then only after the game letting out his anger. Probably not the most kind gesture, but still, I can understand where did Berdy took that from.

And :worship: for him on the amazing game he had today

Wannabeknowitall
10-20-2006, 09:55 PM
and about the whole NY and PARIS dont make that... now is time: WHAT?!
they bash players!!
Dementieva after defeating Capriati in USO'04 replied after be asked about the whole NY pressure that the crowds makes: "Yeah, they keep saying a lot of bad things for u, during the whole match, but they always do that, u must keep yourself focus"
and paris do cheer after UE...just like NY
and others places.... :rolleyes:


I'm sure Dementieva hasn't made a big deal about it.
You don't buy a 2 million dollar condo in NYC if you really think it's that bad.

Madrid, Paris, and NY all cheer after UE this is correct.
The other two don't have the chair requesting they stop cheering after faults though.
Paris and NY would give respect to the best players in the world even if their hometown favorite is playing against them.
I can't say the same for Madrid.
You can just look at the Agassi/Federer US Open final for that reference.

RickDaStick
10-20-2006, 09:55 PM
Nadal was pumping his fist at Berdman when Tomas missed a overhead so Nadal had no right to say anything at the net at the end.

selesfan
10-20-2006, 09:57 PM
I'm sure Dementieva hasn't made a big deal about it.
You don't buy a 2 million dollar condo in NYC if you really think it's that bad.

Madrid, Paris, and NY all cheer after UE this is correct.
The other two don't have the chair requesting they stop cheering after faults though.
Paris and NY would give respect to the best players in the world even if their hometown favorite is playing against them.
I can't say the same for Madrid.
You can just look at the Agassi/Federer US Open final for that reference.


The night time NY crowd is pretty bad during a night match but they don't usualy boo the player after the match is over.

Corey Feldman
10-20-2006, 09:58 PM
Rafa just well pissed of because he got beat at his own game... he and unc toni got PWNED by Berdy again on home soil and the fans as well :D
little twit starting to show his true colours now that he's losing a few matches in a hurry.

should shut up those who moan that Fed always shows his dark side when things are not going well for him... rafa is the same, if not worse.

not that there is anything wrong with that, but it is funny :angel:

*Ljubica*
10-20-2006, 10:00 PM
Nadal was pumping his fist at Berdman when Tomas missed a overhead so Nadal had no right to say anything at the net at the end.

True. Must say it always makes me smile when Hewitt is criticised for making all his "C'Mons" and gestures, but when Nadal does the same thing people talk about his "fighting spirit" and his "character". And - no - I'm not a Hewitt fan - I don't like him - but I don't Nadal either for exactly the same reasons.

El Legenda
10-20-2006, 10:01 PM
nadal is stupid...what a sore loser...:baby:

Corey Feldman
10-20-2006, 10:01 PM
Nadal was pumping his fist at Berdman when Tomas missed a overhead so Nadal had no right to say anything at the net at the end.exactly.. double standards of him are unbelievable.

thats why i havnt been able to stomach him since his "maybe he needs to learn to lose" snide comments about Federer after the rome final.

Denisse
10-20-2006, 10:02 PM
If it's true, Rafa definitely shouldn't have said it, even if he felt provoked by Berdych's behaviour. I hope it'll get cleared up asap.

The crowd in Paris was booing the umpire.

exactly

BlakeJamitis
10-20-2006, 10:02 PM
u would have laughted??
if someone ask u to shut up... I doubt u woult at least be quiet...



It baffles me that you are jumping all over Berdych & not the crowd. Yes, I would have laughed given this scenario. Let me explain it once more since you're kinda slow.

I have been sitting in a crowd all evening cheering not only for my favorite but against his opponent. I have clapped for his faults. I have not given him respect on any of the beautiful shots he's made. I've just shown my butt through out the match because I wanted my guy to win so badly. But since my guy didn't have the game to do it, he loses anyway. At the end of the match, his opponent puts his finger to his mouth to indicate to me & the rest of the crowd that he has conquered both of us - the crowd & our favorite.

Yes, I would have laughed because any good sport sees the humor in it. Like I said before, I would have said, "I guess he told us" and laughed.

My friend - stop acting like Berdych ***** someone. He made a simple emotional gesture. The great thing is that he kept those emotions in check throughout the entire match. Great composure. I loved it!!!

tennisgal_001
10-20-2006, 10:03 PM
Simple. 2 wrongs don't make a right. If the Madrid crowd was disrespectful in every aspect, then Berdych did great to hold his emotions and stay focused on the ball 99% of the time. I think winning was enough to really "shush them up", and I could name a few players who would've hidden their emotions until they left the court, as to not to try and provoke the crowd. What Berdych did wasn't the smartest move, HOWEVER it is in many ways understandable to A CERTAIN EXTENT. Nadal's reaction, on the other hand, is what shocked me. He, of all people, has suffered a lot from rowdy crowds, NY n' Paris being the most significant, so one would expect he would understand Berdych's overjoy. Berdych not only beat Nadal, he beat the Spanish crowd. Nadal has done that over n' over n' over again. He would know. It's just silly on his part to call Berdych "stupid", "disrespectful" etc... when Tomas never really attacked him personally.

Natasc
10-20-2006, 10:03 PM
I'm sure Dementieva hasn't made a big deal about it.
You don't buy a 2 million dollar condo in NYC if you really think it's that bad.

Madrid, Paris, and NY all cheer after UE this is correct.
The other two don't have the chair requesting they stop cheering after faults though.
Paris and NY would give respect to the best players in the world even if their hometown favorite is playing against them.
I can't say the same for Madrid.
You can just look at the Agassi/Federer US Open final for that reference.

so Im getting... this is something with the Madri people?
really men..for me they are pretty much all the same
I never criticize a crowd 'cause I dont know what I would do if I was there cheering for my fav player
so if u gotta understand why the player did what he did u must try to understand why the crowd did what they did

I dont remenber the final... but all I can say about Rogi is that even if u hate him, what Roger can do with a racket is so amazing that u gotta clap him
and do that surprise reaction when he makes his usuals "impossible plays" :lol:

nothing personal here about the players of the nationality of the crowd
I just dont get why the harsh thing here...

cmurray
10-20-2006, 10:03 PM
Interesting. I'm disappointed in Rafa. I know he's disappointed to have come so close to forcing a third set, but this Federer-type behavior is...well....sad. I was the first one to knock Roger for his comments following losses to Rafa. I'm no hypocrite - if Rafa said those things about Tomas, it's sour grapes plain and simple. Damn, what a disappointing day of tennis.

selesfan
10-20-2006, 10:04 PM
It baffles me that you are jumping all over Berdych & not the crowd. Yes, I would have laughed given this scenario. Let me explain it once more since you're kinda slow.

I have been sitting in a crowd all evening cheering not only for my favorite but against his opponent. I have clapped for his faults. I have not given him respect on any of the beautiful shots he's made. I've just shown my butt through out the match because I wanted my guy to win so badly. But since my guy didn't have the game to do it, he loses anyway. At the end of the match, his opponent puts his finger to his mouth to indicate to me & the rest of the crowd that he has conquered both of us - the crowd & our favorite.

Yes, I would have laughed because any good sport sees the humor in it. Like I said before, I would have said, "I guess he told us" and laughed.

My friend - stop acting like Berdych ***** someone. He made a simple emotional gesture. The great thing is that he kept those emotions in check throughout the entire match. Great composure. I loved it!!!

You would have thought Berdych gave them the finger the way they are acting.;)

rofe
10-20-2006, 10:06 PM
Rafa just well pissed of because he got beat at his own game... he and unc toni got PWNED by Berdy again on home soil and the fans as well :D
little twit starting to show his true colours now that he's losing a few matches in a hurry.

should shut up those who moan that Fed always shows his dark side when things are not going well for him... rafa is the same, if not worse.

not that there is anything wrong with that, but it is funny :angel:

Exactly, the Rafatards paint him as this respectful person who does no wrong but you know what - he is a human being as well.

neme6
10-20-2006, 10:07 PM
I was so happy when Berdych did that, the crowd deserved it! As for Nadal, he really needs to think before talking lol! He isn't the best respectful player on the tour!

artlinkletter
10-20-2006, 10:08 PM
Interesting. I'm disappointed in Rafa. I know he's disappointed to have come so close to forcing a third set, but this Federer-type behavior is...well....sad. I was the first one to knock Roger for his comments following losses to Rafa. I'm no hypocrite - if Rafa said those things about Tomas, it's sour grapes plain and simple. Damn, what a disappointing day of tennis.

Oh Wow. "Federer-type behaviour" is what they're calling that nowadays?

Nitefaery
10-20-2006, 10:09 PM
There is nothing wrong with raf's comments IMO. You can say the crowd was unfair but I thought berdych was a total prick and he won the match so he could have easily behaved better. Plus the crowd will be 10000x worse his next match. So don't jump on raffa when berdych was screwing around, even if the crowd was too, you can't say any side was particularly wrong here

El Legenda
10-20-2006, 10:10 PM
if i ever see this ahole..i will spit in his face :rolls:

RickDaStick
10-20-2006, 10:10 PM
There is nothing wrong with raf's comments IMO. You can say the crowd was unfair but I thought berdych was a total prick and he won the match so he could have easily behaved better. Plus the crowd will be 10000x worse his next match. So don't jump on raffa when berdych was screwing around, even if the crowd was too, you can't say any side was particularly wrong here


Berdych was not the player pumping his fist at his oppenent on their errors.

cmurray
10-20-2006, 10:10 PM
To be fair to the crowd, they'd just suffered quite a disappointing loss. Berdych was mocking them, plain and simple. Any crowd would have booed that behavior. Certainly doesn't excuse what Rafi said, but Berdych wasn't exactly Stefan Edberg

WF4EVER
10-20-2006, 10:11 PM
LMAO @ "federer-type behaviour". Talk about coining a phrase; that ought to stick for a bit.

Now the only thing he needs to learn to do is coin Nadal's ass and he'll be good.

Federer-type behavior. I think I've just about heard it all.

zimzim
10-20-2006, 10:12 PM
Tell the crowd to get out the kitchen if they can't stand the heat. If you can cheer against me, why can't I cheer against you (gesturing you be quiet after I win)

People are making this bigger than it is:yeah:

supersexynadal
10-20-2006, 10:12 PM
"El público y el propio Nadal se enfadan con Berdych, que no ha tenido un gesto bonito con la afición madrileña. Nadal lo tiene claro: "Es un jugador un poquito estúpido, que mira mal al rival". También hay que saber ganar."

www.elmundo.es/elmundodeporte/especiales/2006/10/mastersmadrid/envivo/berdych_nadal.html

Here. translation?

oz_boz
10-20-2006, 10:12 PM
nadal is nothing more then a clay court specialist.

Sigh.

Nadal was pumping his fist at Berdman when Tomas missed a overhead so Nadal had no right to say anything at the net at the end.

Is that so? A tiny bit ugly gamesmanship from Nadal. I don't think he's as innocent as some might say. His overdoing celebrations and the constant lingering when he's the returner is getting on my nerves, and probably sometimes on the opponent's as well.

But that's part of the game. Berdman handled it well in the end.

Why the thread title by the way? Is there any confirmation of Rafa saying that?

DDrago2
10-20-2006, 10:12 PM
I lost the tiniest bit of respect I had for Nadal.

Welcome to the club

It's such a good thing seeing so many people opening their's eyes to the truth of Nadal

FERLKE
10-20-2006, 10:12 PM
To be fair to the crowd, they'd just suffered quite a disappointing loss. Berdych was mocking them, plain and simple. Any crowd would have booed that behavior. Certainly doesn't excuse what Rafi said, but Berdych wasn't exactly Stefan Edberg
:worship:

JuchuPati
10-20-2006, 10:13 PM
I don't know in which TV interview rafa said tomas is a stupid, cos the only one I saw after the match, (Canal +) he just said that Berdych had played a great game and that he had some chances in the 2nd set.

really, tell me where he said that ;)

santoroholic
10-20-2006, 10:13 PM
hey I find this from a mallorca online newspaper (of course supporting rafa, but they mention the incident)

Nadal cae ante un ‘estúpido’ Berdych

David Puig

Friday, 20 de October de 2006

http://www.mallorcadiario.com/images/octubre2006/estupidoberdychg.jpg
:eek: :lol: @ the url of the pic

http://www.mallorcadiario.com/images/octubre2006/estupidoberdychg.jpg

MADRID.- Rafa Nadal no podrá revalidar el triunfo en el Masters Series de Madrid. El checo Tomas Berdych ha derrotado al mallorquín por 6-3 y 7-6 y se ha clasificado para las semifinales. Nadal ha caído frente al undécimo jugador del mundo, que parece tener tomada la medida al de Manacor y que le ha derrotado en 3 de las 4 ocasiones en las que se han enfrentado, la última de ellas en el pasado torneo de Cincinnati esta misma temporada.

Berdych ha demostrado no saber ganar y ha hecho callar al público madrileño, que no ha parado de animar al bravo tenista mallorquín en todo momento, cuando ha finalizado el partido. Este gesto no ha gustado nada a Rafa Nadal que no ha dudado en recriminar la actitud de un rival al que ha calificado de “estúpido” por sus continuas gesticulaciones, cuando se han acercado a la red para el saludo protocolario del final del encuentro.

Nadal ha dispuesto de un punto de set para enderezar el encuentro en el ‘tie break’ de la segunda manga, pero no la ha aprovechado. El tenista centroeuropeo que ha ganado en una hora y tres cuartos, disputará las semifinales del torneo madrileño contra el ganador del duelo entre el chileno Fernando González y el serbio Novak Djokovic.

FEDERER DIRECTO A LA FINAL

La otra semifinal del torneo la disputarán el número uno del mundo, el suizo Roger Federer, y el argentino David Nalbandian, que ha eliminado al ruso Marat Safin, que ganó el torneo en 2004, en un disputado encuentro tal y como demuestra el 6-4, 6-7 y 7-6 final.

Federer ha ganado su partido 80 de la temporada, al superar al estadounidense Robby Ginepri, verdugo del español Tommy Robredo, por 6-4 y 7-6.

http://www.mallorcadiario.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=19509&Itemid=33


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TNX1.0E6TOPCA
10-20-2006, 10:13 PM
:haha: :haha: :haha:
quick some fetch the rattle that has went flying from Rafa's pram..
little Mr Sportsmanship does get well pissed afterall then eh :lol: :lol:
yes rafa, someone who slaps you 3 matches in a row is stupid :baby:
LOL

OHH Berdy i fucking love you man... not only beating Rafa but pissing of the fans :haha: :haha: :lol:
this boy will be a legend to me for years to come

:rolls:

Amen http://foolstown.com/sm/pop.gif
couldn't say better... from Interlaken *Berdych blind adorer :cool: * in Switzerland http://foolstown.com/sm/kuku.gif

Escude... u rock! :yeah:

Alvarillo
10-20-2006, 10:13 PM
just came back from the stadium
big clap for the way Thomas played :worship:
but also big boo for the way he celebrated the victory
i felt sorry for him because there in the stadium i thought that he did a gesture like a kiss for the sky but just arrived home and saw what he did so ... i don't feel sorry now, you deserve it Thomas, and tomorrow be sure that your opponent will have the support of the crowd ...!

selesfan
10-20-2006, 10:14 PM
LMAO @ "federer-type behaviour". Talk about coining a phrase; that ought to stick for a bit.

Now the only thing he needs to learn to do is coin Nadal's ass and he'll be good.

Federer-type behavior. I think I've just about heard it all.

Nadal's ass is too big to fit on a coin.;)

tennisgal_001
10-20-2006, 10:16 PM
There is nothing wrong with raf's comments IMO. You can say the crowd was unfair but I thought berdych was a total prick and he won the match so he could have easily behaved better. Plus the crowd will be 10000x worse his next match. So don't jump on raffa when berdych was screwing around, even if the crowd was too, you can't say any side was particularly wrong here

That's the thing. Rafa said Berdych was "stupid". When you call someone an idiot/stupid/dumb you are attacking them PERSONALLY, which as many have already said is unacceptable, no matter how disappointed you are. It's called being professional and accepting that to win you must lose. That is specifically why Berdych was dumbfounded. He didn't expect Rafa would call HIM stupid for simply reacting to app. 2 hours of merciless bashing.

tangerine_dream
10-20-2006, 10:16 PM
Interesting. I'm disappointed in Rafa. I know he's disappointed to have come so close to forcing a third set, but this Federer-type behavior is...well....sad.
Ouch. :lol:

btw, I'm still waiting for someone to confirm that Nadal did indeed call Berdych "stupid."

Fistpumps, yelling vamos, picking his ass, doesn't count.

That tennis kid
10-20-2006, 10:18 PM
Not the wisest move from Berdych. However, the crowd's behaviour during and after the match, and Rafa's behaviour during the match and that comment (if he made it) were unacceptable.

cmurray
10-20-2006, 10:19 PM
Oh Wow. "Federer-type behaviour" is what they're calling that nowadays?

I don't know who "they" are, but it reminds *me* a LOT of Roger's comments after Rome this year. Sour grapes on both counts. Players lose, they get testy. I know it happens, but I don't have to like it.

santoroholic
10-20-2006, 10:21 PM
I don't know in which TV interview rafa said tomas is a stupid, cos the only one I saw after the match, (Canal +) he just said that Berdych had played a great game and that he had some chances in the 2nd set.

really, tell me where he said that ;)



he said that in tv2, not to canal + in the court , tv2, la dos de televisión española

he said something like:

Berdych es un jugador estúpido, que siempre mira mal al contrario cuando cuando yo gané el quinto punto en la rep. checa no mandé callar a nadie/
Berdych is a stupid played who always see in bad manner his opponent, when i won the 5th point in czech republic (Davis Cup) I did not put my finger in my mouth and shhhh the crowd

rofe
10-20-2006, 10:21 PM
Ouch. :lol:

btw, I'm still waiting for someone to confirm that Nadal did indeed call Berdych "stupid."

Fistpumps, yelling vamos, picking his ass, doesn't count.

"El público y el propio Nadal se enfadan con Berdych, que no ha tenido un gesto bonito con la afición madrileña. Nadal lo tiene claro: "Es un jugador un poquito estúpido, que mira mal al rival". También hay que saber ganar."

"He is a player that is a little bit stupid, he doesn't have respect for his opponent."

Happy now, clementine_nightmare? :)

angela
10-20-2006, 10:22 PM
I am sad for him. He don't know to lose.
Berdych is a great player and a beautiful person.

tangerine_dream
10-20-2006, 10:23 PM
Happy now, clementine_nightmare? :)
Not as happy as you Fedtards, apparently. :lol:

oz_boz
10-20-2006, 10:23 PM
I don't know who "they" are, but it reminds *me* a LOT of Roger's comments after Rome this year. Sour grapes on both counts. Players lose, they get testy. I know it happens, but I don't have to like it.

You're right, PLAYERS lose and get testy. So why call it "Federer-type" behaviour instead of the more proper "player-type behaviour"? ;) Or "human behaviour"?

DDrago2
10-20-2006, 10:23 PM
Certainly doesn't excuse what Rafi said, but Berdych wasn't exactly Stefan Edberg

I think Stefan Edberg's head would explode after ten minutes if he had to play this little deamon

Alvarillo
10-20-2006, 10:24 PM
if he hadn't do that he would have recieved a big big clap because i was in the stands and people were amazed by the way he was playing but after that .... he recieved that he looked for ! :sad:

a shame because was an incredible match from Thomas ... and tomorrow ... people are going to stay against him, for sure, he is in spanish medias news and everyone now has seen his gesture ....

rofe
10-20-2006, 10:25 PM
Not as happy as you Fedtards, apparently. :lol:

You can thank me later. :D

MariaV
10-20-2006, 10:26 PM
OK, that was STUPID of Rafa to say such thing. :rolleyes: :o :o :o :o
I didn't expect him to be such a sore loser.
Congrats Interlaken & Co. Berdych played really well! :yeah: And IMO he had every right to that gesture after all the shit from the crowd and Rafa.

cmurray
10-20-2006, 10:26 PM
LMAO @ "federer-type behaviour". Talk about coining a phrase; that ought to stick for a bit.

Now the only thing he needs to learn to do is coin Nadal's ass and he'll be good.

Federer-type behavior. I think I've just about heard it all.

Yes, Federer-type behavior. You know - like how when Roger loses a match that he had in his grasp (Rome) and he goes on camera bitching and moaning about his opponent. Federer-type behavior.

adee-gee
10-20-2006, 10:26 PM
Why was Rafa interviewed on court the second after a defeat? I was hurting, I don't know how he was feeling, I'm surprised he didn't say anything stronger.

artlinkletter
10-20-2006, 10:26 PM
if he hadn't do that he would have recieved a big big clap because i was in the stands and people were amazed by the way he was playing but after that .... he recieved that he looked for ! :sad:

a shame because was an incredible match from Thomas ... and tomorrow ... people are going to stay against him, for sure, he is in spanish medias news and everyone now has seen his gesture ....

Alvarillo, since you have great command of the English language, can you translate what Nadal had said in the interview right after the match?

oz_boz
10-20-2006, 10:26 PM
"
"He is a player that is a little bit stupid, he doesn't have respect for his opponent."


Nadal :smash:

But is that a comment from tonight or is it old? If he sad that the seconds after his loss it's understandable if not very clever - like Tomas' infamous gesture.

mallorn
10-20-2006, 10:26 PM
Again, it was wrong of Rafa to react like he did, but this wasn't right either...

http://upload4.postimage.org/1443317_b504383e7aee700c15182a322d186379/00.jpg http://upload4.postimage.org/1443320_b504383e7aee700c15182a322d186379/000.jpg

Alvarillo
10-20-2006, 10:26 PM
.............................

tangerine_dream
10-20-2006, 10:28 PM
You're right, PLAYERS lose and get testy. So why call it "Federer-type" behaviour instead of the more proper "player-type behaviour"? ;) Or "human behaviour"?
Because both Roger and Rafa have cultivated a false image to the media and their worshipping fans that they're gentlemanly class acts and above such deceitful behavior found amongst the clowns ranked #3-100 but MTFers know better! Nosiree, we're not fooled.

Yes, Federer-type behavior. You know - like how when Roger loses a match that he had in his grasp (Rome) and he goes on camera bitching and moaning about his opponent. Federer-type behavior.
Federer-type behavior would require Rafa to accuse Berdych of cheating, no? ;)

btw, Berdych looks like he's behaving like a sore winner in those photos. Not exactly becoming of him. Even Ginepri handled the crowd far better than that. :)

MariaV
10-20-2006, 10:28 PM
if he hadn't do that he would have recieved a big big clap because i was in the stands and people were amazed by the way he was playing but after that .... he recieved that he looked for ! :sad:

a shame because was an incredible match from Thomas ... and tomorrow ... people are going to stay against him, for sure, he is in spanish medias news and everyone now has seen his gesture ....

Oh what a hot tempered crowd.
That gesture wasn't really anything bad after they had cheered his DFs. :shrug:

Alvarillo
10-20-2006, 10:28 PM
Alvarillo, since you have great command of the English language, can you translate what Nadal had said in the interview right after the match?

i don't know because i was in the staidum and the interview only was listened on tv , sorry!
but stupid, in spanish is a very light adjetive ... i don't know in your countries, but here is more for jokes and is not very .. important!

LLeytonRules
10-20-2006, 10:28 PM
I hate Nadal, i am, glad the birdman shitted on Nadal once again!!!!He took on the madrid crowd and the sore loser all together!!!!!Props too the birdman!!!:clap2:

RickDaStick
10-20-2006, 10:29 PM
Why was Rafa interviewed on court the second after a defeat? I was hurting, I don't know how he was feeling, I'm surprised he didn't say anything stronger.



:haha: What took you so long to say this?

Alexiana
10-20-2006, 10:29 PM
"El público y el propio Nadal se enfadan con Berdych, que no ha tenido un gesto bonito con la afición madrileña. Nadal lo tiene claro: "Es un jugador un poquito estúpido, que mira mal al rival". También hay que saber ganar."

"He is a player that is a little bit stupid, he doesn't have respect for his opponent."

Happy now, clementine_nightmare? :)

there are worse comments like that, but I'm also a bit dissapointed in Rafa. But I don't agree with Berdychs performance either.

Alvarillo
10-20-2006, 10:29 PM
Oh what a hot tempered crowd.
That gesture wasn't really anything bad after they had cheered his DFs. :shrug:

i see tennis every week and in 90% of tournaments people cheers DF when a plyer plays against home favourite ....

LLeytonRules
10-20-2006, 10:30 PM
Nadal is more off a sore loser then Roger ever will be!!!Lets face it, Nadal's second half of the tennis season has been a big dissapointment!!!!!!He has doned nothing, nada, zilch!!!!

cmurray
10-20-2006, 10:30 PM
You're right, PLAYERS lose and get testy. So why call it "Federer-type" behaviour instead of the more proper "player-type behaviour"? ;) Or "human behaviour"?

Oh brother. You Fed-tards are AMAZING! It is Federer-type behavior because they are both guys who are accustomed to winning and get pissy when they don't. I've said it before - getting mad on court is one thing; trash talking your opponent in an interview (like Roger does to Rafa sometimes) is something else entirely.

ufokart
10-20-2006, 10:30 PM
if he hadn't do that he would have recieved a big big clap because i was in the stands and people were amazed by the way he was playing but after that .... he recieved that he looked for !

a shame because was an incredible match from Thomas ... and tomorrow ... people are going to stay against him, for sure, he is in spanish medias news and everyone now has seen his gesture ....

Yeah, they were so amazed that they cheered his double faults, booed him when he saved break points and acted rude since the match started :haha:

adee-gee
10-20-2006, 10:31 PM
:haha: What took you so long to say this?
Umm....if you really want to know I was having my Friday night Jewish meal, recorded the match and only just finished watching :shrug:

WF4EVER
10-20-2006, 10:33 PM
Yes, Federer-type behavior. You know - like how when Roger loses a match that he had in his grasp (Rome) and he goes on camera bitching and moaning about his opponent. Federer-type behavior.

It's a pity how kids always pick up the bad habits first, isn't it?

And maybe Feds can get an uncle to coach him during matches, too.

adee-gee
10-20-2006, 10:34 PM
Amazing how many Federer fans seem to like Berdych all of a sudden :scratch:

Funny that.

jrm
10-20-2006, 10:34 PM
This is Spain - i remember DC when they played Australia ... haven't seen so much hostility in a match!

Berdych is not someone who will just let it go - he will show his emotion (in this case the gesture).

Wonder how the crowd will react in tomorrow's SF

Baby beating Plastic Face :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

Whistleway
10-20-2006, 10:36 PM
The way Berdych played so tatically was amazing. He totally owned Nadal in that match. And against that crowd which basically cheered for every one of his UE. And in the end he just playfully sshhed them. Nothing to write home about.


Nadal on the other hand did every dirty trick in the book. Vamos even during the break. Putting up hand when berydch is about to serve. Slowing it down. And in the end, he said something bad to Berydch that he was shocked and went and asked nadal.

The way Berdych handled nadal and the crowd was really remarkable. As great as Roger is, he would not have done the same.

Berdych bitch-slapped Nadal in his home tourney. And boy, he did it with style. I would actually root for him if he shows up in the final.

Note: I am not a fan of him, I just watched my first game of him today. And he reminded me of the safin.

cmurray
10-20-2006, 10:37 PM
It's a pity how kids always pick up the bad habits first, isn't it?

And maybe Feds can get an uncle to coach him during matches, too.

Why stop at just any uncle? Maybe Roger should just get one of Rafa's uncles?

santoroholic
10-20-2006, 10:37 PM
"El público y el propio Nadal se enfadan con Berdych, que no ha tenido un gesto bonito con la afición madrileña. Nadal lo tiene claro: "Es un jugador un poquito estúpido, que mira mal al rival". También hay que saber ganar."

"He is a player that is a little bit stupid, he doesn't have respect for his opponent."

Happy now, clementine_nightmare? :)

the newspaper is writting a soft version

Nadal said

he is a stupid player

(not a little bit stupid, the "little bit" or "un poquito" phrase is added to the writter of that newspaper to doing soft the nadal comment )

he said

he said something like:

Berdych es un jugador estúpido, que siempre mira mal al contrario y no respeta a sus rivales, cuando yo (Nadal) gané el quinto punto en la rep. checa no mandé callar a nadie/
Berdych is a stupid played who always see in bad manner his opponent,and he doesn't have respect for his opponent. when I won the 5th point in czech republic (Davis Cup) I did not put my finger in my mouth and shhhh the crowd

LilyRoseAva
10-20-2006, 10:37 PM
it's funny because on my homepage, i put this photo

http://www.tomas-berdych.com/images/photo.jpg

and it was after the matchpoint between berdych of course, and Kiefer during the world team cup in germany lol
kiefer was at home too :D

ahlallaalaaaa

Denisse
10-20-2006, 10:38 PM
i don't think rafa's ever insulted any player like that has he?? i don't think his over the top celebrations for every point count. that's why i've always thought of him as at least respectful.

Kalliopeia
10-20-2006, 10:39 PM
Yes, Federer-type behavior. You know - like how when Roger loses a match that he had in his grasp (Rome) and he goes on camera bitching and moaning about his opponent. Federer-type behavior.

But Roger's perfect, didn't you know? If he says something nasty, he's just being refreshing and honest, not a jackass! If he talks about how great he is, he's just stating the facts, not being an arrogant creep. :rolleyes:

I'm pretty disappointed that Rafa said this too. It's very uncharacteristic of him. I'm chalking it up to pressure and frustration.

Oh and if Berdych thinks the crowd was rude today? Tomorrow should be really interesting for him, after all this.

Natasc
10-20-2006, 10:40 PM
hey I thought that those childish "fights" between "fan clubs" only happened on WTAworld :scratch:
guess I was wrong...

cmurray
10-20-2006, 10:40 PM
Amazing how many Federer fans seem to like Berdych all of a sudden :scratch:

Funny that.

But it is MORALLY WRONG to like a player simply because they can beat somebody else! Just ask the Fedtards who just LOVE to accuse Rafa fans of liking him based solely on the fact that he can beat Roger. And it IS a crime of the highest order - at least it is when it involves people wanting Federer to lose.

hypocrites.

Carlita
10-20-2006, 10:41 PM
is there any proof of Rafa saying this? Video, newspaper articles?? Otherwise I seriously doubt he would say this.....

tennisgal_001
10-20-2006, 10:42 PM
the newspaper is writting a soft version

Nadal said

he is a stupid player

(not a little bit stupid, the "little bit" or "un poquito" phrase is added to the writter of that newspaper to doing soft the nadal comment )

he said

he said something like:

Berdych es un jugador estúpido, que siempre mira mal al contrario y no respeta a sus rivales, cuando yo (Nadal) gané el quinto punto en la rep. checa no mandé callar a nadie/
Berdych is a stupid played who always see in bad manner his opponent,and he doesn't have respect for his opponent. when I won the 5th point in czech republic (Davis Cup) I did not put my finger in my mouth and shhhh the crowd

:bs:
Now he's comparing DC to an AMS. Berdych's gesture was toward the CROWD not Rafa. Nadal on the other hand was attacking Berdych himself. Two different things.

santoroholic
10-20-2006, 10:42 PM
i don't think rafa's ever insulted any player like that has he?? .

In one ocassion Nadal called Gaston Gaudio :sudaca de mierda

I don t know how to translate that :lol: but is a despective manner to call sudamerican people in spain

I think the video is in youtube, and was broadcast in the news in Argentina

scarecrows
10-20-2006, 10:43 PM
Oh brother. You Fed-tards are AMAZING! It is Federer-type behavior because they are both guys who are accustomed to winning and get pissy when they don't. I've said it before - getting mad on court is one thing; trash talking your opponent in an interview (like Roger does to Rafa sometimes) is something else entirely.

your arguments really leave me speechless

MariaV
10-20-2006, 10:44 PM
i see tennis every week and in 90% of tournaments people cheers DF when a plyer plays against home favourite ....

Well, I don't think it's usually that extreme. ;) That was pretty rude from the crowd today, I'm sorry to say.
And as a Rafa fan I have no problem admitting he got totally outplayed by Berdych. He should admit that too.

Neverstopfightin
10-20-2006, 10:45 PM
As a Rafa's fan I'm tremendously angry with him after the things he said to spanish TV after the match . He has been very disrespectful to Berdych with that insult " stupid " and has also said more " out of line " things on Tomas . He was very nervous , losing his temper and has had an unacceptable behaviour with a job mate.

I guess he will be very regretful with his behaviour and I hope he apologize to Berdych personally and also in front of mass media at the press conference.

This is the first time he attacks a job mate and I hope is the last time in his career too.


I can understand Berdych's anger with the crowd because they didn't behave properly in some parts of the match but I think that a tennis player should always be more classy than the rude fans and I think his sign shutting up the crowd at the end of a match won by you was unnecessary and unclassy, and for instance I can't imagine a player like Roger making it .

I'm pretty sure that if Rafa had made that sign at the end of any match , he would be bashed no matter if the crowd hasn't behaved well with him .

I don't know what Rafa has exactly said Berdych at the net but if he has commented something about that he shouldn't have made that sign to the crowd because players must always show respect to them , I'm not gonna criticize Rafa because I would have made the same .

After reading some previous messages I see some persons have waited a lot of time a situation like this to talk shit about Rafa . Enjoy your happy day , boys and girls.

MariaV
10-20-2006, 10:46 PM
is there any proof of Rafa saying this? Video, newspaper articles?? Otherwise I seriously doubt he would say this.....

Check previous pages in this thread, here are quotes form papers.

cmurray
10-20-2006, 10:46 PM
But Roger's perfect, didn't you know? If he says something nasty, he's just being refreshing and honest, not a jackass! If he talks about how great he is, he's just stating the facts, not being an arrogant creep. :rolleyes:

I'm pretty disappointed that Rafa said this too. It's very uncharacteristic of him. I'm chalking it up to pressure and frustration.

Oh and if Berdych thinks the crowd was rude today? Tomorrow should be really interesting for him, after all this.


yep. Refreshing and honest. riiiiggghhhhttttt

Metis
10-20-2006, 10:47 PM
I don't know whether Rafa called Berdych stupid or not, but IMO what Berdych did in the end was definitely not intelligent. :smash: After playing such a great match he had to go and turn the crowd against him, a crowd that he will have to face again at least once more. Way to go!!! :rolleyes: Couldn't he realize that the crowd had nothing personal against him? They would have behaved the same way no matter who Rafa's opponent was. If he ends up losing, it will feel even worse because of the satisfaction he will have given the crowd.

Because, as it is common experience in this forum (and so vividly displayed in this thread), people tend to delight more in other people's failures than their own successes.

Carlita
10-20-2006, 10:47 PM
Check previous pages in this thread, here are quotes form papers.
okay

tangerine_dream
10-20-2006, 10:47 PM
Amazing how many Federer fans seem to like Berdych all of a sudden :scratch:
They'll jump off just as quickly should Berdych do the unthinkable and beat Roger. :scared:

is there any proof of Rafa saying this? Video, newspaper articles?? Otherwise I seriously doubt he would say this.....
I'm still not entirely convinced of it, either, mostly because the Fedtards are going apeshit and I never trust their judgement. :lol: I need video confirmation or something.

I think Rafa may be feeling the pressure of performing well on non-clay surfaces.

alberto.pedros
10-20-2006, 10:48 PM
In one ocassion Nadal called Gaston Gaudio :sudaca de mierda

I don t know how to translate that :lol: but is a despective manner to call sudamerican people in spain

I think the video is in youtube, and was broadcast in the news in Argentina

He calls him "sudaca gilipollas", which could be translated something like "fucking latino".

Denisse
10-20-2006, 10:49 PM
In one ocassion Nadal called Gaston Gaudio :sudaca de mierda

I don t know how to translate that :lol: but is a despective manner to call sudamerican people in spain

I think the video is in youtube, and was broadcast in the news in Argentina

haha, yeah, i've seen the video and i understand what it means, but i never heard the sudaca part, all i could hear him say was: yo no hice nada, yo no hice nada....:p

Neverstopfightin
10-20-2006, 10:55 PM
He calls him "sudaca gilipollas", which could be translated something like "fucking latino".

JUST A NASTY AND SHAMEFUL MANIPULATION OF AN ARGENTINIAN TV . HE NEVER SAID THAT AND THE VIDEO PROVES IT

Naranoc
10-20-2006, 10:55 PM
For all those who are loving this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2QIJKM3-Cg

Neverstopfightin
10-20-2006, 10:56 PM
haha, yeah, i've seen the video and i understand what it means, but i never heard the sudaca part, all i could hear him say was: yo no hice nada, yo no hice nada....:p

Something that doesn't exist can't be heard , obviously ;)

tangerine_dream
10-20-2006, 10:57 PM
For all those who are loving this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2QIJKM3-Cg

Damn, what an asshole. He didn't even stop to sign autographs. :p

JuchuPati
10-20-2006, 10:57 PM
He calls him "sudaca gilipollas", which could be translated something like "fucking latino".


actually, latino isn't disrespectful term, but sudaca ;)

WF4EVER
10-20-2006, 10:57 PM
People are so surprised at Rafa's comments because it 'uncharacteristic'? The true Rafa always comes out in his Spanish interviews and it's then that he makes his insulting comments about other players.

Defensing the indefensible is what most of you are doing. You can find all sorts of excuses for the crowd and Rafa's behaviour but blame Berdych for his response. What the hell is a double standard anyway.

I am not a fan of Berdych's but I watched the only match on tv and found it to be quite entertaining, especially at the expense of Rafael jumping-up-and-screaming, pumping-my-fist-and-shouting-in-your-face Nadal. I am sick of his ridiculous on-court behaviour and enjoy seeing him lose, to anyone, especially Federer.

I have no sympathy for him or those crybaby Madrilenos (is that correct?). In fact I'm tired of this pointless topic but feel utter sympathy for the guys who are still on court at this time when it's midnight in Spain and the winner will have to play tomorrow again.

No player is the epitome of class that we'd like to think he is, but as fans I think we should admit that instead of trying to pretend that he is.

Solid_Snake
10-20-2006, 10:58 PM
Nadal is just going thru roid rage.

Alvarillo
10-20-2006, 10:58 PM
For all those who are loving this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2QIJKM3-Cg

you can appreciate, just when the ball goes out people start to clap, is when Thomas makes that stupid thing when everyone starts booing ...
and Thomas please, you can't leave the court asking yourself why they boo you, if you makes that you know how people is going to feel and act ...

Neverstopfightin
10-20-2006, 11:04 PM
People are so surprised at Rafa's comments because it 'uncharacteristic'? The true Rafa always comes out in his Spanish interviews and it's then that he makes his insulting comments about other players.

OMFG

The next thing I will hear tonight is that he's a pedofile , it's just a matter o time :retard:

Though you want to intoxicate telling lies , Rafa has never made insulting comments or arrogant coments in spanish interviews about other players , he's one of the most respectful sportsman you can find at the interviews.

Das pena :silly:

garylanders
10-20-2006, 11:05 PM
come on men, lets be real
Im a brazilian, so...if argentina came here to play the brazil football team... what would u think I would do?!

OF COURSE THAT WE ALL ARE GOING TO CHEER FOR THE BRAZIL TEAM :rolleyes:

whats is wrong with this??
in fact I think that makes the game more interesting... the whole cheer thing

thats why Davis Cup is so funny....


Not necessarily but I guess you havent seen any matches from Stockholm Open or Bastad ? The crowd can cheer for "their" player without heckling their opponent.

/A

morningglory
10-20-2006, 11:05 PM
woohoo! sour grapes from Piggy!
I love it when crowds get silenced

alberto.pedros
10-20-2006, 11:08 PM
actually, latino isn't disrespectful term, but sudaca ;)

Well, here in the UK latino is pretty disrespectful. Don't know about the US though :)

Lee
10-20-2006, 11:10 PM
Well, here in the UK latino is pretty disrespectful. Don't know about the US though :)

Not exactly in US but Latino has a different meaning here, I guess.

UrMomIsMySensei
10-20-2006, 11:10 PM
This is the first time he attacks a job mate and I hope is the last time in his career too.




is that like when two guys are sharing an ePeen ?? :tape:

marcelwks
10-20-2006, 11:10 PM
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20061020/capt.3db80bc625d94fd091f6718456aed65d.spain_tennis _jj818.jpg

santoroholic
10-20-2006, 11:11 PM
I did remember other incident, in Roland Garros of this year, Rafa had an incident with a banana and called a medical time out, well i don t remember in what round was, but the french crowd boooed him

well after the match, again with Televisión española, TVE, the ex tennis player Alex Corretja did do to him a little interview after the match, and he did talk about the incident, and said, I cannot understand why the french crowd boooed at me, I called the medical time out because I had a problem with the banana in my throat, the french crowd are a "sons of bitch", estos franceses son unos hijos de puta

sadly I have not the video interview

PamV
10-20-2006, 11:12 PM
come on guys, lets be real, Berdych put the finger on his mouth like saying SHUT UP for the crowd

that was a stupid thing to do
and then the crowd started to boooed Berd

which he deserved, 'cause u cant do a thing like that!!
make the shut up signal for a 7000 people?!
where's the respect for all those peoples over there??
they pay your money, after all tennis is a show....

so before u say about "Nadal bad behavior"
take a good look at what Thomas did....

I saw that Berdych put his finger to his lips as if to quiet the crowd but he only did that for a few seconds and it didn't look disrespectful. It must have been in reaction to all the flack he was getting from the crowd before. It's hardly a thing that merits Nadal chastising Berdych.

At the net when they shook hands Nadal said something to Berdych that made Berdych do a double take as if he couldn't believe what he heard.
As player antics go......Berdych was extremely quiet and well behaved during the entire match. He never changed his facial expressions or yelled or showed much emotion at all. The one exception was that 2nd to the last point he won in the TB. When he got that point he pumped his fists and ran across the court with his knees pumping up high. .... But that shouldn't be viewed as obnoxious ....right? Something like that shouldn't annoy Nadal, because it was just a show of joyful emotion.

artlinkletter
10-20-2006, 11:13 PM
I've gotta admit, that picture looks pretty evil. lol

kronus12
10-20-2006, 11:13 PM
this is soooo funny all these rafatards coming out with their bullshit spin on what really happen, i doubt half of you clowns even watch the match.
Bottom line is the crowd was rude maybe the rudest yet in the whole tourney,
Nadal was shaken because his topspin was doing nothing against berydch,
Nadal was also taken time during Berydch serve and Berych quite rightly pointing out to the umpire that the server dictates the speed of the game.
Nadal after losing the match said something to Berych that Berych did not like does that sound like a good loser?
Come on if you can diss out the shit to federer about his sportmanship then please take the same shit that nadal gets. If you can't then maybe you have some issues to work out.

TNX1.0E6TOPCA
10-20-2006, 11:13 PM
if he hadn't do that he would have recieved a big big clap because i was in the stands and people were amazed by the way he was playing but after that .... he recieved that he looked for ! :sad:

a shame because was an incredible match from Thomas ... and tomorrow ... people are going to stay against him, for sure, he is in spanish medias news and everyone now has seen his gesture ....

don't worry too much for the crowd tomorrow. Just a little reminder. It was @TMS Toronto: first Berdych beat local hero Nestor, then Nadal.... and people called my darlin' "the villain" :eek:

Berdych reaction: "I don't care what the people say or what they want," he said. "I'm here to play my best tennis." "I have to say that I'm happy that I can beat all of the players. That's my reason for going to every tournament. If it's in the first round and the guy from Canada then in the next few rounds I beat the second player in the world, for me that's perfect. Maybe not for the spectators, but that's their problem."

hahaha keep flying high Berdy! :yeah:

concerning the gesture...me too, i thought it was a kiss he sent to the sky with his finger and the shhhh to the crowd was for claiming finallysome respect cos he played great tennis tonight and he is in semi-final of Madrid.... as told before, i have an excuse, i'm blind when it comes to Berdych.

adee-gee
10-20-2006, 11:14 PM
Well, here in the UK latino is pretty disrespectful. Don't know about the US though :)
WTF are you talking about? :cuckoo:

Latino is in no way direspectful :retard:

disturb3d
10-20-2006, 11:15 PM
The Spanish are extreme nationalist scum. They've gotten enormously fortunate to have TMS, but take no responsiblity.

Berdych should have flipped them off. But he's too nice a guy.

morningglory
10-20-2006, 11:16 PM
Tomas did NOTHING wrong. Nothing.
The crowd deserved it! This is a sweet victory against the odds that he should savor.
I mean cmon... I've seen third fingers up and all other sortsof obscene gestures... Tomas's "Shhhh" is nothing except that it riles up the defeated crowd :lol:

He'll book a place among my faves if he gives Nadal the counterflame in the post-match interview, if there is one.

Alexandy
10-20-2006, 11:16 PM
No player is the epitome of class that we'd like to think he is, but as fans I think we should admit that instead of trying to pretend that he is.

Thank you.

The fact of the matter is this: Rafa was wrong, Berdych was wrong, and the crowd was wrong. It's nobody's fault. They all behaved badly. So let's all move on. :)

marcelwks
10-20-2006, 11:18 PM
"I can understand they want him to win the match and the tournament, but this is not a Davis Cup where you can expect this -- not in this tournament," Berdych said, adding the gesture was in response to the crowd cheering his mistakes throughout the match.

Nadal told Berdych he was "a bad person" for gesturing as he did.

"When I played him in the Czech Republic, the crowd was the same and I didn't say anything," said Nadal, who also referenced the treatment he received at the Swedish Open last week, where he lost to Sweden native Joachim Johansson.

"If you play against a local player, that's normal. That's good for tennis because the public supports you," Nadal said.

tennisgal_001
10-20-2006, 11:18 PM
People just watch the video... talk about blowing it out of proportion... Berdych looked :eek: at the net though.. wonder what could've happened if the umpire hadn't stopped him:devil:

artlinkletter
10-20-2006, 11:19 PM
[QUOTE=Interlaken;4316343]don't worry too much for the crowd tomorrow. Just a little reminder. It was @TMS Toronto: first Berdych beat local hero Nestor, then Nadal.... and people called my darlin' "the villain" :eek: QUOTE]

I was reading about the Nestor/Berdych match in the paper the next day and Nestor spoke about the crowd actually booing him at times. He said they weren't cheering for him much. He also said that there were a lot of Czech fans in the crowd and that he was disappointed with the lack of support. I am paraphrasing here so I might be off a bit. I thought it was weird. But I didn't watch the match so I'm not sure how exactly the environment was.

Seraphim
10-20-2006, 11:19 PM
Amazing how many Federer fans seem to like Berdych all of a sudden :scratch:

Funny that.

It's just as amazing how many roddick/safin fans seem to like Nadal all of a sudden, especially when the h2h was identical (3-1).

Funny that also.

World Beater
10-20-2006, 11:22 PM
lol


people keep talking about federer as an asshole...but i cant recall him actually saying another player is stupid/idiot or whatever. Sure fed has called people out for their supposed injuries etc (djoko), but i dont think he has attacked another players character..this is new territory for the current atp players and its great! :lol:

Neverstopfightin
10-20-2006, 11:22 PM
I did remember other incident, in Roland Garros of this year, Rafa had an incident with a banana and called a medical time out, well i don t remember in what round was, but the french crowd boooed him

well after the match, again with Televisión española, TVE, the ex tennis player Alex Corretja did do to him a little interview after the match, and he did talk about the incident, and said, I cannot understand why the french crowd boooed at me, I called the medical time out because I had a problem with the banana in my throat, the french crowd are a "sons of bitch", estos franceses son unos hijos de puta
sadly I have not the video interview


Welcome to the circus where all the manipulations and lies are allowed :aparty:

He said " los muy cabrones ", nothing comparable to " sons of bitch ", and he was referring to the part of the crowd that was booing him , he didn't say " estos franceses ".

Besides he was laughing when he said that

alberto.pedros
10-20-2006, 11:22 PM
WTF are you talking about? :cuckoo:

Latino is in no way direspectful :retard:

Well, go and tell my Colombian, Mexican & Brazilian friends, when they get abused in clubs or sometimes even in the street.

Denisse
10-20-2006, 11:23 PM
WTF are you talking about? :cuckoo:

Latino is in no way direspectful :retard:

i was just about to say...i mean..i'm a latina, and i really don't think people here think that's disrespectful...AT ALL

Apemant
10-20-2006, 11:25 PM
Being a hypocrite is human. I haven't yet met or heard of any person who wasn't at least a little bit of a hypocrite. That means, to accuse someone of hypocrisy, constitutes hipocrisy itself. We are all hypocrites.
To be angry when you lose is also human. To feel exalted when you win in a hostile environment is also human. Sour grapes are also very much human. Give them both some slack.

On the other hand, arguing over such things is also human, so please, proceed. :devil: Reading this is so much fun if nothing else...

Alexiana
10-20-2006, 11:26 PM
Being a hypocrite is human. I haven't yet met or heard of any person who wasn't at least a little bit of a hypocrite. That means, to accuse someone of hypocrisy, constitutes hipocrisy itself. We are all hypocrites.
To be angry when you lose is also human. To feel exalted when you win in a hostile environment is also human. Sour grapes are also very much human. Give them both some slack.

On the other hand, arguing over such things is also human, so please, proceed. :devil: Reading this is so much fun if nothing else...

:worship: :worship:

santoroholic
10-20-2006, 11:27 PM
Welcome to the circus where all the manipulations and lies are allowed :aparty:

He said " los muy cabrones ", nothing comparable to " sons of bitch ", and he was referring to the part of the crowd that was booing him , he didn't say " estos franceses ".

Besides he was laughing when he said that

no sorry, said los muy hijos de puta, I remember it because i was in a bar watching the match and the people around me were :lol: and comment how courage is rafa saying hijos de puta a los gabachos, gabachos is a despective manner to call the frenchies in spain

alberto.pedros
10-20-2006, 11:29 PM
i was just about to say...i mean..i'm a latina, and i really don't think people here think that's disrespectful...AT ALL

What I mean that "latino" alone isn't disrespectful, but if you call someone "fucking latino" then it's disrespectful. Same way, "sudaca" isn't necessarily disrespectful (I think it's, but many others don't), but "sudaca de mierda" is.

santoroholic
10-20-2006, 11:30 PM
Welcome to the circus where all the manipulations and lies are allowed :aparty:

He said " los muy cabrones ", nothing comparable to " sons of bitch ", and he was referring to the part of the crowd that was booing him , he didn't say " estos franceses ".

Besides he was laughing when he said that

no sorry, he said los muy hijos de puta, I remember it because i was in a bar watching the match and the people around me were :lol: and comment how courage is rafa saying hijos de puta a los gabachos, gabachos is a despective manner to call the frenchies in spain

the gabacho expresion was used to the bar people, not to rafa

gogogirl
10-20-2006, 11:30 PM
Hey All,

Surely - Berd could have sat down quietly and just let it all go - and as it pertains to the crowd - but from the reports here - he acted gentlemanly thru-out the match. By the end of the match is when one could show emotions if one was gonna - and it matters not whether the player won or lost. He held his composure when it mattered. If some feel he lost it after the match - then may haps he did. But in my book - he held on to it when it mattered the most. If the crowd was that hostile to me - I might have done the same thing. It sounds like the crowd was beyond rude.

The New York crowd never booed Nadal at the U.S. Open 2005.

As for Rafa - I too agree with the poster that mentioned Hewitt's c'mons. For years - we've heard how horrible he was for it - and may haps - at times - he went overboard w/it - but surely Nadal has also rubbed some of his opponents the wrong way w/his slow play - his Vamos'es and his jumping up in the air - at times. And oh - how about when he is at the coin toss @ the NET? He jumps around like he is a boxer. That kind of behavior could endear persons to him or turn some off. That's 'Human Nature.'

I read where his camp has declared that Nadal is cutting back on his schedule. He's only played 10 tournies this year.

I also feel like others - that one day soon - he might only be known as a clay court specialist - and even that doesn't mean a thing - when others find out/learn how to play him. He is a great competitor and I like to watch him - but I don't think he'll hold on to #2 for long in 2007.

Nathaliia
10-20-2006, 11:31 PM
No matter who used it and towards who, for the same Crazy Dani Koellerer received a few months ban in Acapulco.

no sorry, he said los muy hijos de puta, I remember it because i was in a bar watching the match and the people around me were and comment how courage is rafa saying hijos de puta a los gabachos, gabachos is a despective manner to call the frenchies in spain

the gabacho expresion was used to the bar people, not to rafa

radics
10-20-2006, 11:32 PM
lol just lol... I didn't expect anything like this when I came on the board a few mitnues ago. Great stuff here.

Now did Nadal really call Berdych stupid for the "finger thing"? If yes... uuuuh... seems like he starts to get pissed about hes losses to Berdych.

Halba
10-20-2006, 11:35 PM
Berdych is a top talent no doubt..especially on the indoor courts...frik he's good

If berdych can play like this against federer, he can beat him...he just seems to lose a bit of confidence against feds recently

Neverstopfightin
10-20-2006, 11:37 PM
no sorry, he said los muy hijos de puta, I remember it because i was in a bar watching the match and the people around me were :lol: and comment how courage is rafa saying hijos de puta a los gabachos, gabachos is a despective manner to call the frenchies in spain

the gabacho expresion was used to the bar people, not to rafa

If you were drunk in that bar is your fault. :shrug:

He said " cabrones " .

Naranoc
10-20-2006, 11:38 PM
Any Spaniards still here? :dance:

http://www.cadenaser.com/player.html?audioFile=20061020csrcsrdep_14.Aes

Translation please :D

TNX1.0E6TOPCA
10-20-2006, 11:38 PM
1h47 of match... you hardly can find 1 or 2 photos of Berdych playing tennis... all others are about his finger. What a circus! :lol:

GlennMirnyi
10-20-2006, 11:41 PM
:haha:

Where's the good boy now? The mr. Sportsmanship.
Whiner, sore loser!!!

Berdych is already a legend to me. Long live Berdych!

santoroholic
10-20-2006, 11:43 PM
If you were drunk in that bar is your fault. :shrug:

He said " cabrones " .

lol I was not drunk,

and he said los muy hijos de puta

but don t worry you can think that you want

regards :wavey:

soraya
10-20-2006, 11:45 PM
Well evidently he was smart enough to beat Rafa in front of an unruly misbehaved crowd.


:D :D

alberto.pedros
10-20-2006, 11:45 PM
Any Spaniards still here? :dance:

http://www.cadenaser.com/player.html?audioFile=20061020csrcsrdep_14.Aes

Translation please :D

To be honest he's a player that, according to my experience, I've played against him several times, is quite stupid. He looks in a bad way to the opponent when he's playing and at the end look at the gesture of "I've won away from home". I won the fifth point in the Czech Republic and I didn't do, I didn't need to do any gesture. Here he shows what's a person.

Quick translation :)

scarecrows
10-20-2006, 11:46 PM
:haha:

Where's the good boy now? The mr. Sportsmanship.
Whiner, sore loser!!!

Berdych is already a legend to me. Long live Berdych!

where were you man?

you missed all the fun

radics
10-20-2006, 11:46 PM
Any Spaniards still here? :dance:

http://www.cadenaser.com/player.html?audioFile=20061020csrcsrdep_14.Aes

Translation please :D

NICE FIND! :worship: :haha:

I didn't think he really said that, but... wow. "Berdych is quite stupid". Harsh words from (formaly known as :devil:) Mr.Sportsmanship.

Naranoc
10-20-2006, 11:47 PM
To be honest he's a player that, according to my experience, I've played against him several times, is quite stupid. He looks in a bad way to the opponent when he's playing and at the end look at the gesture of "I've won away from home". I won the fifth point in the Czech Republic and I didn't do, I didn't need to do any gesture. Here he shows what's a person.

Quick translation :)

Thanks :yeah:

GlennMirnyi
10-20-2006, 11:47 PM
where were you man?

you missed all the fun

I know, I was playing tennis and NOT moonballing! :lol:

I would be banned if I were here.

Chris Seahorse
10-20-2006, 11:50 PM
Berdych is the biggest idiot in tennis. With out a doubt my least favourite player. He obviously has very big groundstrokes and a huge serve. What he does not have is an once of respect for anyone, anything remotely resembling sportsmanship or anything close to dignity. His disgusting behavior that I witnessed during his match against Fabrice Santoro at Wimbledon is still well ingrained in my mind and nothing that idiot could do would ever surprise me. No one knows how to reach the depths of classlessness quite like Berdych. He is a total jerk and tennis would be much better off if he would just dig himself a hole and bury himself in it.

santoroholic
10-20-2006, 11:50 PM
Any Spaniards still here? :dance:

http://www.cadenaser.com/player.html?audioFile=20061020csrcsrdep_14.Aes

Translation please :D




To be honest he's a player that, according to my experience, I've played against him several times, is quite stupid. He looks in a bad way to the opponent when he's playing and at the end look at the gesture of "I've won away from home". I won the fifth point in the Czech Republic and I didn't do, I didn't need to do any gesture. Here he shows what's a person.

Quick translation :)

perfect trans. alberto.pedros

Corey Feldman
10-20-2006, 11:51 PM
stupid little boy..
if he's gonna pulls his vamos vamos shit in the face of berdy when he misses a smash, then what right does he have to complain about Berdy celebrating?

grow up kid.

and at least berdy never even took him up on that... he just keeps he head down, gets on with it and let his tennis do the talking.

and boy did he do that well :devil:

scarecrows
10-20-2006, 11:51 PM
I know, I was playing tennis and NOT moonballing! :lol:

I would be banned if I were here.

I guess it would be worth it to be banned for 2-3 weeks after today, dont you think?

Corey Feldman
10-20-2006, 11:53 PM
I've played against him several times, is quite stupid. He looks in a bad way to the opponent when he's playing and at the end look at the gesture of "I've won away from home".wow rafa

whats the spanish for "pot" "kettle"

:lol:

tennisgal_001
10-20-2006, 11:56 PM
wow rafa

whats the spanish for "pot" "kettle"

:lol:

They really should wait a few hrs before interviewing players after they lose, otherwise it's just :o

rofe
10-20-2006, 11:56 PM
Berdych is a top talent no doubt..especially on the indoor courts...frik he's good

If berdych can play like this against federer, he can beat him...he just seems to lose a bit of confidence against feds recently

It is more than that, Fed does much better than Nadal against power players.

LilyRoseAva
10-20-2006, 11:57 PM
i hate these commentators :mad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pq9KFOmRr4

Sunset of Age
10-20-2006, 11:57 PM
wow rafa

whats the spanish for "pot" "kettle"

:lol:

Escude... I bow to thee... :worship:

TNX1.0E6TOPCA
10-20-2006, 11:57 PM
surprisingly... there is no bad words towards Berdych in the press, on the contrary...

MADRID (Reuters) - Tomas Berdych ended Rafael Nadal's hopes of retaining his Madrid Masters title by producing a near flawless display to beat the world number two 6-3 7-6 in the quarter-finals on Friday.

The Czech number one was in imperious form at the Madrid Arena, holding his serve with confidence and then taking his opportunities to break his opponent's and record his third consecutive win over the Spaniard.

The 21-year-old, who beat sixth-seed Andy Roddick on his way to the quarters, silenced the partisan Spanish fans when he eased his way to the first set.

The 10,000 strong crowd got behind Nadal in the second set, but Berdych kept his cool to keep up the pressure and win through after a nail-biting tie-break.

World number one Roger Federer stayed on target....la routine :p

Kalliopeia
10-21-2006, 12:01 AM
Thank you.

The fact of the matter is this: Rafa was wrong, Berdych was wrong, and the crowd was wrong. It's nobody's fault. They all behaved badly. So let's all move on. :)


Agreed. I'm surprised anyone is defending anyone. It was ugly all around, and I say that as a staunch Nadal fan.

KaxMisha
10-21-2006, 12:03 AM
It is more than that, Fed does much better than Nadal against power players.

Well, seeing as Federer, at least from his forehand side, is every bit the power player anyone else is when he wants to, that's not so strange, because unlike Nadal, he can beat them in other ways than hoping they'll miss.

GlennMirnyi
10-21-2006, 12:04 AM
I guess it would be worth it to be banned for 2-3 weeks after today, dont you think?

I've already been there, so I guess I'd be expelled... :p


The question that's alive is:

Where's neverstopWHINING now to whine about mr. Sportsmanship???? :p

WF4EVER
10-21-2006, 12:05 AM
They really should wait a few hrs before interviewing players after they lose, otherwise it's just :o

That's like watching tennis thru rose-coloured glasses, no? Then we'd think they're all angels.

I'd rather see them for who they really are. The difference in one player to another after a win or a loss demonstrates that some people know how to exercise self-control and some don't.

LilyRoseAva
10-21-2006, 12:07 AM
Reaction of Berdych

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCpkuUL_Uvk

Naranoc
10-21-2006, 12:07 AM
:haha: @ the 'shhh' avatars. They'll became the latest fashion statement in MTF.

Kalliopeia
10-21-2006, 12:07 AM
I'm actually starting to wonder if there's a history here we don't know about. Berdych/Nadal matches never go smoothly, it seems, and they've known each other for quite a long time haven't they? Rafa's usually at least civil regarding opponents when they beat him, but this guy seems to bring out his worst.

Corey Feldman
10-21-2006, 12:08 AM
:lol: just reading back..
some of the typical rafatards/rafa cheerleaders pissing and moaning about 'the federer behaviour' and how all us fedtards are happy..
yes drag our names into it... its only fed fans who didnt like rafa's behaviour tonight.

whats that Berdy?
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20061020/capt.3db80bc625d94fd091f6718456aed65d.spain_tennis _jj818.jpg
"sssshhhhh-ut the fuck up moaners"

:lol: couldnt have said it better myself big man ;)

victory1
10-21-2006, 12:09 AM
Did Rafa not think that his excessive celebration eveytime he won a point might have been annoying to Berdman. Or his delay tactics might have also been annoying and that played a part on why Berdych reacted that way at the end. I saw nothing wrong with what Berdych dis, if you watched on TV, it was very brief and insignificant (not as bad as Nadal's vamos, fist pumps, and kicks everytime he won a point)!

Neverstopfightin
10-21-2006, 12:09 AM
lol I was not drunk,

and he said los muy hijos de puta

but don t worry you can think that you want

regards :wavey:

Thousand of persons listened " cabrones " on TV except that bar :rolls:. You were drunk

And this is the proof http://www.portaltenis.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=7499

Look at the end of the article .

Julio1974
10-21-2006, 12:10 AM
i hate these commentators :mad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pq9KFOmRr4

Quite harsh. They said that Berdych is not liked in the circuit, I never heard that rumour (I thought it was only Coria, haha). What happened between him and Santoro?

World Beater
10-21-2006, 12:11 AM
Reaction of Berdych

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCpkuUL_Uvk

very classy interview:D

mecir72
10-21-2006, 12:11 AM
The match vs JJ in stockholm was different as Nadal didnt win. Had he won the crowd would not boo that you can be sure of.
How Nadal can complain about Berdych in this match is beyond me. Anyone who plays tennis knows how annoying it is to play someone who celebrates as much and as loud as Nadal.

tripb19
10-21-2006, 12:12 AM
Another non issue exploding past 10 pages.

Naranoc
10-21-2006, 12:12 AM
^ It'll reach 20 before long, don't worry.

chicky841
10-21-2006, 12:13 AM
Thank you.

The fact of the matter is this: Rafa was wrong, Berdych was wrong, and the crowd was wrong. It's nobody's fault. They all behaved badly. So let's all move on. :)

Word.