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Madrid 2006: Berdych takes down Nadal 6-3 7-6(6)

+alonso
10-20-2006, 07:55 PM
Incredible display Berdych!

:worship:

Congrats to him!


sorry for Nadal fans!

Scotso
10-20-2006, 07:57 PM
We knew you would do it, Tomas! :bounce:

MisterQ
10-20-2006, 07:57 PM
:sad:

Shame for Nadal after fighting to get to set point.

rofe
10-20-2006, 07:57 PM
Routine win. ;)

Seriously, well played Birdman! Seems to keep it together whenever he plays Nadal.

FelipeMIA89
10-20-2006, 07:57 PM
great win Berdych! :worship:

Jadranka
10-20-2006, 07:57 PM
Nadal = world number 2 ???? :lol: :lol: :lol:


Bravo Berdych :)

Neverstopfightin
10-20-2006, 07:57 PM
When people find out what Rafa has said about Berdych to spanish tv just after the match , MTF is gonna become shit

Bagelicious
10-20-2006, 07:58 PM
Nice match from Berdych, clearly a bad matchup for Nadal - he did well to beat him in front of a partisan Spanish crowd.

LLeytonRules
10-20-2006, 07:58 PM
Berdych loves piggy roasting:devil: :devil: I am sure Nadal doesnt wanna see the birdman anymore on his draw!!!

Voo de Mar
10-20-2006, 07:58 PM
Berdych is amazingly strong mentally :cool: He will be in Top 5 soon for sure.

oz_boz
10-20-2006, 07:58 PM
Way to go Tomas! :woohoo:

Nadal :wavey: couldn't capitalize on a break up in the 2nd, why?

t0x
10-20-2006, 07:58 PM
Well done Berdych! Brill few points to finish the tiebreak...

Feel a little sorry for Nadal, he has played very well this week compared to what he was playing. But Berdych's height means he's just not bothered too much about the top spin...

artlinkletter
10-20-2006, 07:59 PM
It was a great match. I must say, I loved Berdych's reaction in the end.

silverwhite
10-20-2006, 07:59 PM
Berdy = RafaKilla

SloKid
10-20-2006, 07:59 PM
Awesome stuff Tomas! :worship:

His gesture at the crowd at the end might not have been the most sportsmanlike, but their cheering wasn't either so they have no right to complain. And booing and chanting go out, go out in Spanish was disgraceful too.
And whatever Rafa said to Tomas at the net was unjustified as well as he wasn't innocent today either.

Great for Tomas that he was able to keep his nerve in front of 10000 fans. I thought he blew it, when serving *5-4 up in the tb and making two silly errors, but that BH passing shot to set up the mp was taken very well.

virex
10-20-2006, 08:00 PM
i´m still waiting for the whole fight about that gesture in the end to begin

LocoPorElTenis
10-20-2006, 08:00 PM
Dych to win the title.

Longshot
10-20-2006, 08:00 PM
Nice win by Berdych. Great composure and maturity under a lot of pressure.

scarecrows
10-20-2006, 08:00 PM
time for the roasted pig thread :lol:

virex
10-20-2006, 08:00 PM
i´m still waiting for the whole fight about that gesture in the end to begin

ugotlobbed
10-20-2006, 08:00 PM
why were they booing berdych?

mallorn
10-20-2006, 08:00 PM
When people find out what Rafa has said about Berdych to spanish tv just after the match , MTF is gonna become shit
Was it something about his gestures? They were outrageous! :fiery:

Wannabeknowitall
10-20-2006, 08:01 PM
Berdych didn't let the crowd get to him.
In the end he silenced not only Nadal but the crowd.
I loved it.
Nadal needs to put more spin on his shots when he plays the taller people on tour.
The spin and variety just doesn't effect them like the rest of the players on the tour.

oz_boz
10-20-2006, 08:01 PM
When people find out what Rafa has said about Berdych to spanish tv just after the match , MTF is gonna become shit

Whazzup?

Berdych is amazingly strong mentally :cool: He will be in Top 5 soon for sure.

Erm...I wish :sad:

Godiva
10-20-2006, 08:01 PM
I'll have a slice of loin. I like trotters too, I'll eat 'em if no one else does. ;)

Take the title Bird man!!!!!

Fed-Express
10-20-2006, 08:01 PM
Great match by Tomas.
Pathetic Madrid crowd booed him off the court, talk about sore losers ;)
But he shut them up, did you see his gesture ;)

safinalium
10-20-2006, 08:01 PM
wow....bye bye rafa!

Bagelicious
10-20-2006, 08:01 PM
When people find out what Rafa has said about Berdych to spanish tv just after the match , MTF is gonna become shit

Why don't you enlighten us now?

mangoes
10-20-2006, 08:02 PM
Berdych.........WHAT A MATCH!!!! I'm so sorry the crowd treated you in such a terrible manner........

bluefork
10-20-2006, 08:02 PM
When people find out what Rafa has said about Berdych to spanish tv just after the match , MTF is gonna become shit

What did he say? I saw Nadal and Berdych exchange some words at the net at the end. What happened there?

Anyway, good win for Berdych. He was definitely the better player today.

nobama
10-20-2006, 08:02 PM
When people find out what Rafa has said about Berdych to spanish tv just after the match , MTF is gonna become shit
What did he say?:confused: When I flipped back to the match I heard the commentators complaining about the crowd, but I didn't see what they did. I'm sure they were just bummed that Nadal is out. Nothing personal against Berdych. :shrug:

Sunset of Age
10-20-2006, 08:02 PM
Berdych = Rafa-Killer

Wow, what a match, what a game, Tomas!!!
And besides that: awful, awful audience, clapping and cheering for Tomas' UEs and double faults.
Well, they got what they bargained for.
And for the first time, Rafa showed being a sore loser!

Neverstopfightin
10-20-2006, 08:04 PM
Was it something about his gestures? They were outrageous! :fiery:


Rafa has cocked it up :shrug:

SloKid
10-20-2006, 08:04 PM
why were they booing berdych?
Cause he took out their man, simple as that and he gestured to the crowd to shut up after winning.
Was it something about his gestures? They were outrageous! :fiery:
It works either way, he has every right to do so, it's not like others involved are innocent. :shrug:

BlakeJamitis
10-20-2006, 08:04 PM
I loved the way he silenced that crowd. SORE LOSERS TO THE MAX! I also loved the hush sign at the end. CLASSIC!!!

guga2120
10-20-2006, 08:04 PM
good match for Berdych, he hits really hard,

But of course they booed, he shhh's them after he beats Nadal, what would have happened if Federer had done than in New York after he beat Blake, they proalby would have shot him. You have to expect that booing he deserved, i want to know what Nadal said to him.

WF4EVER
10-20-2006, 08:05 PM
I'm ROTFLMAO at that Spanish crowd (who cleared out of that stadium faster than yuo could say Speedy Gonzalez), and if Berdych made a gesture at the end that offends them they damn well deserve it.

What did Rafa mean by 'very bad, very bad' at the end? Bad that he was beaten in front of his home crowd? Is Tio Tony going to get him or something? What?

Good match by Berdych. I didn't think he could make it in the 3rd but luckily he didn't have to.

I guess Berdych is going to have the shit booed out of him the rest of this tournament.

Edit: The commentators at ESPN Dep said Berdych shocks Nadal. How could this be a shock with their history. Didn't Berdych just beat him during the USOpen Series? Oh well.

Also, all those Federer fans who were scared of Roger playing Nadal in Madrid can now find something else to worry about.

Blue Heart24
10-20-2006, 08:05 PM
Congrats Birdman! :D
Nadal :wavey: :haha: :haha: :rolls:

selesfan
10-20-2006, 08:06 PM
Nadal has a lot of nerve, I couldn't even watch the whole match with his screaming and jumping around. I am surprised at him, deing a sore loser, He usually is nice off court, even though I can't stand him on court.

DrJules
10-20-2006, 08:07 PM
Berdych is amazingly strong mentally :cool: He will be in Top 5 soon for sure.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

If Berdych could solve his mental problems he probably would be world number 2. How many players combine an excellent serve, backhand and forehand combined with a solid volley game. It was great to see the technically more proficient and cleaner hitting of Berdych triumph over Nadal.

Ome
10-20-2006, 08:07 PM
Congratulation, Tomas! :bowdown:

Ariadne
10-20-2006, 08:09 PM
My respect for Berdych right now knows no bounds. Not only did he overcome a tenacious opponent but also his ungracious and hostile home crowd!!! :bowdown: His mental fortitude is AMAZING!!!

The uncouth sportsmanship displayed by Nadal just made whatever respect I have for him dwindle even further.

nobama
10-20-2006, 08:11 PM
ATP website says Nadal's next event is Paris? Did he withdraw from Basel?

Scotso
10-20-2006, 08:11 PM
Will people who saw it please explain:

1) How the crowd was acting during the match.

2) Were they really booing him off the court at the end?

3) What gesture did Tomas make?

4) What was said at the net?

5) What did Nadal say to reporters?

oz_boz
10-20-2006, 08:11 PM
Let the flame war begin, 40+posts in less than no time. MBF, you won't get an objective answer to those questions...

DrJules
10-20-2006, 08:12 PM
Nadal has a lot of nerve, I couldn't even watch the whole match with his screaming and jumping around. I am surprised at him, deing a sore loser, He usually is nice off court, even though I can't stand him on court.

Personally I prefer the way Berdych conducts himself on the court, but have grown to tolerate the conduct of players like Nadal and Hewitt.

rofe
10-20-2006, 08:14 PM
Nadal needs to learn how to lose! :devil:

What goes around, comes around. Loving it.

ChinoRios4Ever
10-20-2006, 08:14 PM
NADAL WITHDRAW FROM BASEL, I DONT KNOW WHY

BERDYCH GOOD WIN :yeah: but i dont like your celebration

artlinkletter
10-20-2006, 08:15 PM
Berdych after winning the match, put his index finger up to his lips to make the "sssshhh" gesture and then took that same index finger and raised it in the air. Nadal said something to him at the net and after they shook hands, Berdych walked towards Nadal maybe to say something or ask Nadal what he had said. The ump put his hand out, sort of to signal to Berdych to drop it.

The crowd booed from the moment Berdych gestured "ssshhh" but they increasingly got louder when Nadal said whatever he said to Berdych. When Berdych sat down, he put his put his arms out like to ask "what?" and then put gave a thumbs up to the crowd still booing. They continued to boo when he was walked off the court and then went on to cheer for Nadal.

supersexynadal
10-20-2006, 08:17 PM
Will people who saw it please explain:

1) How the crowd was acting during the match.

2) Were they really booing him off the court at the end?

3) What gesture did Tomas make?

4) What was said at the net?

5) What did Nadal say to reporters?

1-They werent rude, they were being a home crowd and it was just like the uso or french when the home boys are players. Less arrogent even

2-yes they booed and whistled but some were clapping

3-the gesture he made was the one in that pik posted but im not so sure if it was meant to the crowd as he he was looking in one direction

4-dont know, wont know. Wasnt something rude, didnt seem rude.

5-thats crap. its not true, theres no wa we can hear what he told reporters coz there was no audio. hes not that stpid to day that

SloKid
10-20-2006, 08:20 PM
4) What was said at the net?
I'm not sure, but Rafa did say something and Tomas walked around the umpire's chair next to Rafa's chair apparently exchanging some words with him and then he kinda throw the racquet, when he got to his chair.

When he sat down he was giving the thumbs up, maybe to the crowd for booing, maybe to his camp in the crowd.

allblue
10-20-2006, 08:20 PM
My hero Berdych did it again!!

WF4EVER
10-20-2006, 08:21 PM
Nadal has a bandage(?) on his right knee. I noticed it and wondered if he was getting injured again but it didn't seem to affect his play nor did he draw attention to it.

His shorts are quite long so it may not have been that easy to see.

vincayou
10-20-2006, 08:21 PM
Well done Berdych. Not really a surprise, the only unknown was how he would react to the crowd. We know that now. :lol:

Weebl
10-20-2006, 08:22 PM
i think in uso the crowd was more rude and that ssh-gesture-thingy isn't that bad and Nadal was just frustrated because he really wanted to win this..
No big deal

Corey Feldman
10-20-2006, 08:22 PM
Wow what to say.... Nadal has become so 'ordinary' and losing alot lately that im not even that much in the mood to celebrate about it anymore :shrug:

but his :baby: antics after losing are :haha:
bad Berdy, audacious enough to dare celebrate a great win and upset those fans, you know - the fans that Boo, whistle and treat every non-home player with zero respect anyway.
lol


Nadal needs to learn how to lose!

What goes around, comes around. Loving itGreat comment :devil:

mallorn
10-20-2006, 08:24 PM
Cause he took out their man, simple as that and he gestured to the crowd to shut up after winning.

It works either way, he has every right to do so, it's not like others involved are innocent. :shrug:
He has every right to go and antagonise the crowd like that, not a very smart move though.
Berdych after winning the match, put his index finger up to his lips to make the "sssshhh" gesture and then took that same index finger and raised it in the air. Nadal said something to him at the net and after they shook hands, Berdych walked towards Nadal maybe to say something or ask Nadal what he had said. The ump put his hand out, sort of to signal to Berdych to drop it.

The crowd booed from the moment Berdych gestured "ssshhh" but they increasingly got louder when Nadal said whatever he said to Berdych. When Berdych sat down, he put his put his arms out like to ask "what?" and then put gave a thumbs up to the crowd still booing. They continued to boo when he was walked off the court and then went on to cheer for Nadal.
He also mimicked the crowd booing him when he was sitting, which got them even more angry.

The crowd were just a home crowd during the match, of course there was some clapping at Berdych's mistakes, but nothing outrageous. The umpire kept it pretty much in control. When the match finished they started clapping but then Berdych made the first gesture and they went mad.

Argenbrit
10-20-2006, 08:24 PM
Berdych = Rafa-Killer

:yeah:

Tomas :worship:

mongo
10-20-2006, 08:25 PM
I think I've heard this story before.

Beginning to sound a lot like a kid named Roddick. Follow the formula established by Blake, Berdych and Youzhny and suddenly you've found your pigeon.

VAMOS Berdych!!!!

Natasha2005
10-20-2006, 08:25 PM
OH MAGOES YOU ARE A HOOT...Absolutely hilarious but oh so correct.... As I recall he said how Fed needs to be able to learn to lose graciously....I must say I am shocked at Nadals reaction if what is reported is true because I held him up to be a great example of a TRUE BLUE sportsman...He comes off in his interviews as so intelligent, mature and humble but I guess no one even the saintly Nadal is perfect.

I love both players but Berdyc was clearly the better player tonight but overall the birdman has so much weapons. I think it helps that he and Nadal is of the same generation hence not intimated by him

I am not supporting B's gesture at the end but I can totally understand as the crowd was rude at times in the zeal to ssupport nadal plus Nadal did try to get in B's face...


I ABSOLUTELY LOVED B'S REACTION WHEN NADAL PUT UP HIS HAND WHEN B WAS SERVING. B RIGHTLY SAID TO THE UMPIRE THAT SERVER DICTATES PACE. IF HE CANT COMPLAIN ABOUT NADALS LONG TIME BETWEEN SERVES THEN NADAL HAS TO ACCEPT B'S FAST PACE

I MUST SAY THAT I KINDA SECRETLY LOVED B'S REACTION IN THE END...IT WAS TOTALLY GANSTA BUT NOT MATURE OR SPORTING BUT UNDERSTANDABLE ALL THE SAME

vesanto
10-20-2006, 08:27 PM
Well, I don't want spanish people to be mad at me but these reports don't surprise me. I lived there for some months and you could not imagine the sense of nationalism in sports that exists over there...Athletes like Nadal and Alonso are completely loved in a fanatic way and the comentators and people really tend to be extremely biased. I know that this is normal, in Portugal it happens the same, but it is taken to extremes and I really think that they don't show much respect for the opponents.
Anyway, if Nadal told something to Berdych, it was probably because he didn't like his final attitude, still he should not say anything because Nadal's shouts and jumps on court are not the great example of respect to your opponent.

oz_boz
10-20-2006, 08:28 PM
I don't mind the ssh-gesture if the crowd was really bad, but it's hard to believe the were any worse than in FO or USO and I think every player should be professional enough to cope with that without "getting even". As if beating Nadal wasn't enough to shut the idiots up.

exile
10-20-2006, 08:28 PM
Some of you don't get it ...

That's what happened:

Nadal acted like an idiot during the match, saying vamos when Berdych did a double fault or when they were changing side. That's just unacceptable.
The crowd didn't do better, booing him during the match for no reasons; just because he was getting their boy down.

At the end of the match, Nadal said something to Berdych, Nadal was frustrated and just thrown something to feel better. That's dumb.
Then Berdych asked Nadal to say again but the Umpire stop them before it got wors.

So, the crowd didn't stop booing after the end, they even did it louder ! Saying such things like "get out get out get out" in spanish ! To answer them, Berdych just "shhhhhtt" them in a beautiful way after this...

This was brilliant from Berdych caus with a crowd like this, he could have done much worst than this.

So just a great victory for him and a childish attitude from Nadal and his crowd.

supersexynadal
10-20-2006, 08:32 PM
OH MAGOES YOU ARE A HOOT...Absolutely hilarious but oh so correct.... As I recall he said how Fed needs to be able to learn to lose graciously....I must say I am shocked at Nadals reaction if what is reported is true because I held him up to be a great example of a TRUE BLUE sportsman...He comes off in his interviews as so intelligent, mature and humble but I guess no one even the saintly Nadal is perfect.

I love both players but Berdyc was clearly the better player tonight but overall the birdman has so much weapons. I think it helps that he and Nadal is of the same generation hence not intimated by him

I am not supporting B's gesture at the end but I can totally understand as the crowd was rude at times in the zeal to ssupport nadal plus Nadal did try to get in B's face...


I ABSOLUTELY LOVED B'S REACTION WHEN NADAL PUT UP HIS HAND WHEN B WAS SERVING. B RIGHTLY SAID TO THE UMPIRE THAT SERVER DICTATES PACE. IF HE CANT COMPLAIN ABOUT NADALS LONG TIME BETWEEN SERVES THEN NADAL HAS TO ACCEPT B'S FAST PACE

I MUST SAY THAT I KINDA SECRETLY LOVED B'S REACTION IN THE END...IT WAS TOTALLY GANSTA BUT NOT MATURE OR SPORTING BUT UNDERSTANDABLE ALL THE SAME


Both of the did things they shouldnt have done but if people will understand berydch's behavior then they should understand nadals right?

lucashg
10-20-2006, 08:32 PM
Tomas :banana:
:lol: at the end of the match. Nadal :ras: and Madrid crowd :tape: :p

DDrago2
10-20-2006, 08:33 PM
OH MAGOES YOU ARE A HOOT...Absolutely hilarious but oh so correct.... As I recall he said how Fed needs to be able to learn to lose graciously....I must say I am shocked at Nadals reaction if what is reported is true because I held him up to be a great example of a TRUE BLUE sportsman...He comes off in his interviews as so intelligent, mature and humble but I guess no one even the saintly Nadal is perfect.


HA HA HA you ate somthing realy bad today

I'm so glad that the bully-the-kid lost again. I dislike Nadal almost more then Mike Tyson

supersexynadal
10-20-2006, 08:36 PM
Some of you don't get it ...

That's what happened:

Nadal acted like an idiot during the match, saying vamos when Berdych did a double fault or when they were changing side. That's just unacceptable.
The crowd didn't do better, booing him during the match for no reasons; just because he was getting their boy down.

At the end of the match, Nadal said something to Berdych, Nadal was frustrated and just thrown something to feel better. That's dumb.
Then Berdych asked Nadal to say again but the Umpire stop them before it got wors.

So, the crowd didn't stop booing after the end, they even did it louder ! Saying such things like "get out get out get out" in spanish ! To answer them, Berdych just "shhhhhtt" them in a beautiful way after this...

This was brilliant from Berdych caus with a crowd like this, he could have done much worst than this.

So just a great victory for him and a childish attitude from Nadal and his crowd.


No. he should have done what ginepri did and cted like a MAN, not a cockhead

Corey Feldman
10-20-2006, 08:36 PM
At the end of the match, Nadal said something to Berdych, Nadal was frustrated and just thrown something to feel better. That's dumb.
Then Berdych asked Nadal to say again but the Umpire stop them before it got wors.

So, the crowd didn't stop booing after the end, they even did it louder ! Saying such things like "get out get out get out" in spanish ! To answer them, Berdych just "shhhhhtt" them in a beautiful way after this...

This was brilliant from Berdych caus with a crowd like this, he could have done much worst than this.

So just a great victory for him and a childish attitude from Nadal and his crowd.brilliant aint it :lol:

Corey Feldman
10-20-2006, 08:38 PM
Well, I don't want spanish people to be mad at me but these reports don't surprise me. I lived there for some months and you could not imagine the sense of nationalism in sports that exists over there...Athletes like Nadal and Alonso are completely loved in a fanatic way and the comentators and people really tend to be extremely biased. I know that this is normal, in Portugal it happens the same, but it is taken to extremes and I really think that they don't show much respect for the opponents.
Anyway, if Nadal told something to Berdych, it was probably because he didn't like his final attitude, still he should not say anything because Nadal's shouts and jumps on court are not the great example of respect to your opponent.great comments.... there are a few of those spaniards around MTF.. have you seen Deivid23 before? lol

Clara Bow
10-20-2006, 08:41 PM
From reading what has been said.

Well- it sounds like Rafa should have handled himself better at the end. He normally handles himself better after a loss. I think he really wanted this, and he loves his home crowd. And if he saw Tomas mocking them, that may have made him angry. But- he should have collected himself, likely not have said anything at the net, and not have thrown things at the end. Rafa is one of my faves, but everyone has their faults and it sounds like Rafa was childish here.

And, it sounds like Tomas did try to antagonize the crowd (likely after being frustrated by their behavior.) There were more mature ways to handle it. But- Tomas strikes me as the type who does not give a rat's ass about what folks thing of him. This incident makes me very intrigued to see how he could react playing a hostile crowd in Paris or New York and how those crowds would react.

I do agree that Ginepri showed really how to deal with a crowd. Do your job and let the win be your "nyah nyah."

As and aside- when Berdych is on, he is incredible. I still think his first set at the Paris finals last year was one of the best sets played by any player in 2005. If he and Federer make it to the final and Tomas keeps his head, I really think he could win.

exile
10-20-2006, 08:44 PM
No. he should have done what ginepri did and cted like a MAN, not a cockhead



Come one, did you see the match? And Berdych is the cokhead ??? ahah :eek:

Nadal acted like a cockhead during the match and at the end ... It was pathetic how he didn't accept his lost. You have to say "good match" at your opponent when you come to the net at the end... Even if you're mad or angry, then Nadal would have acted like a MAN !

Instead he just agressed Berdych saying "you're an idiot" or something like that. That was sooooo dumb !

I love Berdych so much for how he acted at the end. He just beat 4000 + 1 people all alone ! Respect to him !

oz_boz
10-20-2006, 08:49 PM
From reading what has been said.
And, it sounds like Tomas did try to antagonize the crowd (likely after being frustrated by their behavior.) There were more mature ways to handle it.

More mature would be to let his racket do the talking - his outgunning the home fav is more than enough to silence the hooligans.

But- Tomas strikes me as the type who does not give a rat's ass about what folks thing of him.

Makes even more of a mini-Safin :lol: & :sad:

As and aside- when Berdych is on, he is incredible.

Effortless power - amazing.

If he and Federer make it to the final and Tomas keeps his head, I really think he could win.

That'd be awesome! But I don't think he's ready yet, he ha taken some nasty beatings the last couple of times.

Billabong
10-20-2006, 08:51 PM
Tomas:yeah: I'm soooooooo thrilled with this win:D!!!!!!!!!

Corey Feldman
10-20-2006, 08:52 PM
Come one, did you see the match? And Berdych is the cokhead ??? ahah :eek:

Nadal acted like a cockhead during the match and at the end ... It was pathetic how he didn't accept his lost. You have to say "good match" at your opponent when you come to the net at the end... Even if you're mad or angry, then Nadal would have acted like a MAN !

Instead he just agressed Berdych saying "you're an idiot" or something like that. That was sooooo dumb !
I love Berdych so much for how he acted at the end. He just beat 4000 + 1 people all alone ! Respect to him !your only new here at MTF but you are one of the best posters ever!!
:rocker2:

supersexynadal
10-20-2006, 09:05 PM
Come one, did you see the match? And Berdych is the cokhead ??? ahah :eek:

Nadal acted like a cockhead during the match and at the end ... It was pathetic how he didn't accept his lost. You have to say "good match" at your opponent when you come to the net at the end... Even if you're mad or angry, then Nadal would have acted like a MAN !

Instead he just agressed Berdych saying "you're an idiot" or something like that. That was sooooo dumb !

I love Berdych so much for how he acted at the end. He just beat 4000 + 1 people all alone ! Respect to him !

Of course ur gonna cheer urself on when u see break points that hardly come! Hes not trying to intimidate his opponents, these are his antics and for some people like federer, its better for him to stay cool. Federer doest stay "cool" out of respect. As i said, what berdych did was completely inappropriate regardless of what the crowd does.Who the f*** does that?!?!?!:eek: Federer beating roddick at the uso final, nadal beating andre in canada (still his home crowd) and ginepri beating lopez. Just to name a few matches. They didnt act like berdych. Whats his problem? u won ur match and the crowd just be happy and leave.

exile
10-20-2006, 09:12 PM
: Federer beating roddick at the uso final, nadal beating andre in canada (still his home crowd) and ginepri beating lopez. Just to name a few matches. They didnt act like berdych. Whats his problem? u won ur match and the crowd just be happy and leave.


During those matchs, did the crowd sing "GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT" at the end ?

...
...

I guess not.

Anyway I'm not waiting for an understanding since your name is "supersexynadal" , so have a good night buddy and for myself, I'll be uploading this match somewhere on the net...

guga2120
10-20-2006, 09:14 PM
gee, i wonder whos going to win the tournament now:confused: ,

artlinkletter
10-20-2006, 09:19 PM
Of course ur gonna cheer urself on when u see break points that hardly come! Hes not trying to intimidate his opponents, these are his antics and for some people like federer, its better for him to stay cool. Federer doest stay "cool" out of respect. As i said, what berdych did was completely inappropriate regardless of what the crowd does.Who the f*** does that?!?!?!:eek: Federer beating roddick at the uso final, nadal beating andre in canada (still his home crowd) and ginepri beating lopez. Just to name a few matches. They didnt act like berdych. Whats his problem? u won ur match and the crowd just be happy and leave.

The US Open final, the crowd was not cheering at Roger's faults (I'm sure there were a few occasions, but for the most part, they didn't). I actually felt they treated Roger appropriately. The Nadal-Andre match, no matter where this was played in the world, besides Spain, chances are the crowd would have been behind Andre. But they were fair to Nadal, giving him his due. The crowds during those two matches aren't comparable to today's crowd, who were 100% for Nadal and 100% against Berdych, even though he played some great tennis.

guga2120
10-20-2006, 09:21 PM
No, that Blake match was crazy in New York, 10times this today.

adee-gee
10-20-2006, 09:23 PM
Very disappointing.

Berdych played well, unsettled Nadal early on and then Rafa's groundies went to pot, totally lost faith in them. He actually did well to keep the match close, Berdych was the far better player but Rafa fought hard and had his chances.

For the record, I didn't like the way Nadal was acting during the match, there's obviously a bit of needle between them and there wasn't much need for the "vamos" when Berdych missed a shot, he doesn't do it when he plays Federer who he clearly respects, but I guess him and Tomas don't get on.

Berdych's reaction at the end was silly, but he'd won a big match and was excited I guess. Strange amounts of double standards on MTF though, apparently we don't want tennis crowds acting like soccer crowds (I actually quite like it), yet we don't mind Berdych inciting a crowd like a soccer player would.

Another bad loss for Rafa, the off-season can't really come quick enough for him, needs to sort out his forehand big time.

Or perhaps he should just retire :)

artlinkletter
10-20-2006, 09:24 PM
No, that Blake match was crazy in New York, 10times this today.

I'm not sure if you're referring to my post or not but I never mentionned Blake. I however do agree that the Quarterfinal match between him and Roger got pretty nasty, but that was mainly because of the J-Block and egging the rest of the crowd on.

angela
10-20-2006, 09:25 PM
CONGRATULATIONS TOMAS ;) :worship:
WELL DONE.

angela
10-20-2006, 09:27 PM
Welll done Tomas.

supersexynadal
10-20-2006, 09:29 PM
During those matchs, did the crowd sing "GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT" at the end ?

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I guess not.

Anyway I'm not waiting for an understanding since your name is "supersexynadal" , so have a good night buddy and for myself, I'll be uploading this match somewhere on the net...


i like my username and its an inside joke coz frankly hes not sexy!!

oz_boz
10-20-2006, 09:31 PM
i´m still waiting for the whole fight about that gesture in the end to begin

Didn't have to wait so long...

supersexynadal
10-20-2006, 09:34 PM
Didn't have to wait so long...
wat last gesture?? he just continued to point at the crowd with an i beat ur man look on his face

oz_boz
10-20-2006, 09:35 PM
gee, i wonder whos going to win the tournament now:confused: ,

My guess is Nalby or Fed, both have beaten Birdie Num-Num badly before.

Allez
10-20-2006, 09:39 PM
Congrats Tomas. Great result.

Mechlan
10-20-2006, 09:41 PM
Tomas!

Beautifully played. Held up under pressure from Rafa and the crowd when it really mattered. I thought for sure he'd crack in the middle of the second when Rafa was putting so much pressure on his serve. But he came up with the aces and big serves at the right times. Methinks he likes playing Nadal. ;)

RickDaStick
10-20-2006, 09:42 PM
I dont know about that but Nadal and Fat Dave are making Ljubo look like Gandhi with their post match comments.

kronus12
10-20-2006, 09:45 PM
this result just tells me that Nadal is Berdych bitch at the moment until he works out his game.
Good result for Berdych now it will make all those posters eat their words when they said that Nadal would easily beat Berdych.
I wonder what you guys are going to say the next time they meet should be really funny.

oz_boz
10-20-2006, 09:45 PM
For the record, I didn't like the way Nadal was acting during the match, there's obviously a bit of needle between them and there wasn't much need for the "vamos" when Berdych missed a shot, he doesn't do it when he plays Federer who he clearly respects, but I guess him and Tomas don't get on.

Is it so? I'm sad to hear that, and hope they will get along with time. Arguably the two best players of their generation (at least so far).

Berdych's reaction at the end was silly, but he'd won a big match and was excited I guess. Strange amounts of double standards on MTF though, apparently we don't want tennis crowds acting like soccer crowds (I actually quite like it), yet we don't mind Berdych inciting a crowd like a soccer player would.

Cheering for home guy is OK, clapping for DFs and UEs not.

adee-gee
10-20-2006, 09:48 PM
Is it so? I'm sad to hear that, and hope they will get along with time. Arguably the two best players of their generation (at least so far).

Cheering for home guy is OK, clapping for DFs and UEs not.
I doubt it, even before the little confrontation at the end they didn't look like the best of pals....Then when Rafa said "very bad, very bad" about the gesture when he shook hands, Berdych looked like he wanted to hit him :lol:

The cheering DFs and UEs happens everywhere, just some places are louder than others.

RickDaStick
10-20-2006, 09:52 PM
Very disappointing.

Berdych played well, unsettled Nadal early on and then Rafa's groundies went to pot, totally lost faith in them. He actually did well to keep the match close, Berdych was the far better player but Rafa fought hard and had his chances.

For the record, I didn't like the way Nadal was acting during the match, there's obviously a bit of needle between them and there wasn't much need for the "vamos" when Berdych missed a shot, he doesn't do it when he plays Federer who he clearly respects, but I guess him and Tomas don't get on.

Berdych's reaction at the end was silly, but he'd won a big match and was excited I guess. Strange amounts of double standards on MTF though, apparently we don't want tennis crowds acting like soccer crowds (I actually quite like it), yet we don't mind Berdych inciting a crowd like a soccer player would.

Another bad loss for Rafa, the off-season can't really come quick enough for him, needs to sort out his forehand big time.

Or perhaps he should just retire :)

No kidding you have no problem with Nadal pumping his fist at Berdman on a missed overhead but if Ljubo did that you'd have about 10 threads already started.

Havok
10-20-2006, 10:09 PM
Nadal is becoming a bit of a joke off the clay this season :o. That fluke Wimbledon finals (which won't ever happen again) and his win in Doha are standing out like sore thumbs :tape:.

Nice stuff from Berdych, he's quickly making Rafa his bitch :lol:, but nice that he followed up his defeat of Roddick with another great performance :). Couldn't have come at a better time since I highly doubt he'll defend his Paris shield.

adee-gee
10-20-2006, 10:16 PM
No kidding you have no problem with Nadal pumping his fist at Berdman on a missed overhead but if Ljubo did that you'd have about 10 threads already started.
I just said I didn't agree with it, but seeing as you're not intelligent enough to read I won't belittle you.

RickDaStick
10-20-2006, 10:18 PM
I just said I didn't agree with it, but seeing as you're not intelligent enough to read I won't belittle you.


Nadal does that pretty much every match but you are too busy admiring the monkey boy to see it and you know if Ivan did that you would have multiple threads started bashing him.

Corey Feldman
10-20-2006, 10:19 PM
and his win in Doha are standing out like sore thumbs Dubai

Havok
10-20-2006, 10:20 PM
Crap, always get those mixed up. Thanks Escude :yeah:.

adee-gee
10-20-2006, 10:23 PM
Nadal does that pretty much every match but you are too busy admiring the monkey boy to see it and you know if Ivan did that you would have multiple threads started bashing him.
I have more than enough stuff to bash Ljubicic about, don't worry.

Nadal doesn't usually celebrate errors by his opponent.

GlennMirnyi
10-20-2006, 10:36 PM
Hey, hey!!! Attention everyone!

Where is the new #1??? Where? I mean, the guy that's supposed to take the 1st place winning Madrid, Paris, the TMC and the AO??? Where???
:haha: :haha: :haha:

Great match from the young Czech. He definetly knows how to play tennis. Incredible power, great serve and even though he struggled a little with his returns of serve, he had a great deal of personality to save the BP and the SP.
The vision of Berdych shutting up the crowd will be in my mind forever...

Berdych = moonballer-killa!

Where's neverstopWHINING now to ask some apology from Berdych? :lol:

GlennMirnyi
10-20-2006, 10:37 PM
I have more than enough stuff to bash Ljubicic about, don't worry.

Nadal doesn't usually celebrate errors by his opponent.

He always does that.

prima donna
10-20-2006, 10:38 PM
Outclassed.

Halba
10-20-2006, 10:39 PM
mowgli go back to the jungle

Regenbogen
10-20-2006, 10:44 PM
wow Bredych :eek: despite the head to head I really didn't think he would win this. Congrats to him :D

Nadal :sad:

rmb6687
10-20-2006, 10:47 PM
mowgli go back to the jungle

ouch...

i don't really like rafa either, and I didn't really know how rude he was during the match but why such insults?

anyway....:dance: for berdych. I was a littl scared for the result of this match only because nadal was at home. but look what happened!!!

this almost makes up for the Marat lost

World Beater
10-20-2006, 10:47 PM
He always does that.

yes, i even saw him do it against federer at RG...its no secret.

Rafa = Fed Killa
10-20-2006, 10:48 PM
mowgli go back to the jungle

Ah, the KKK members are happy with the result.

Yoda
10-20-2006, 10:56 PM
Ah, the KKK members are happy with the result.

Nope.....Nadal just looks like Mowgli, and Mowgli lived in the jungle.

I s'pose, Pigsy get back to your sty would be speciest.:p

RonE
10-20-2006, 11:02 PM
Tomas! :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

I had a gut feeling he might do it again but overcoming the Madrid crowd like he did today- respect! :worship:

Berdman = Piggy Roasta Extraordinaire :banana:

GlennMirnyi
10-20-2006, 11:06 PM
Where are the Nadal-boys?

Corswandt
10-20-2006, 11:07 PM
Dammit. I had to leave the TV just as Berdych missed that easy FH to make it 5-4 (I think) on the TB, and I left thinking "He's just choked it away".

I hope he buys some nice stuff for Lucie with those 90.000+ €€€. Considering how Lucie's season has been as of late, she could use some luv.

rofe
10-20-2006, 11:33 PM
It is interesting that Nadal has been unable to defend his two HC TMS wins from last year due to Berdych. Nadal must surely be pissed off.

gogogirl
10-20-2006, 11:37 PM
All,

I'll say!

http://www.thetennischannel.com/news/NewsDetails.aspx?newsid=2368


Nadal loses, Federer advances at Madrid
10/20/2006 5:56:00 PM


MADRID, Spain (AP) -Thomas Berdych overcame a partisan crowd and defending champion Rafael Nadal in the quarterfinals at the Madrid Masters on Friday, beating the second-ranked Spaniard 6-3, 7-6 (6).

Berdych left the court to jeers after putting his finger to his lips in a silencing motion following his victory.

``I can understand they want him to win the match and the tournament, but this is not a Davis Cup where you can expect this - not in this tournament,'' Berdych said, adding the gesture was in response to the crowd cheering his mistakes throughout the match.

Nadal told Berdych he was ``a bad person'' for gesturing as he did.

``When I played him in the Czech Republic, the crowd was the same and I didn't say anything,'' said Nadal, who also referenced the treatment he received at the Swedish Open last week, where he lost to Sweden native Joachim Johansson.

``If you play against a local player, that's normal. That's good for tennis because the public supports you,'' Nadal said.

The 11th-seeded Berdych controlled from the start, using powerful ground strokes to keep Nadal deep behind the baseline.

``When he's playing his best tennis he is running and everywhere and can hit some incredible shots - but I can't remember him playing any other style of game,'' Berdych said. ``This is the kind of game I like, that he's running behind the baseline and hitting balls just over the net so I could go in and volley or stay back and play from the baseline.''

Berdych will face Fernando Gonzalez after the Chilean won the last five games to rally past Novak Djokovic of Serbia 7-5, 5-7, 7-5.

Nadal's loss prevented a meeting against top-ranked Federer as the Swiss moved a step closer to winning his 10th title of 2006 with a 6-3, 7-6 (4) win over Robby Ginepri that put him though to the semis for the first time since 2003.

Federer - trying to become the first player in the Open era to win 10 titles three straight years - tied Ivan Lendl's 24-year mark of successive 80-win seasons with the victory.

``I've walked off the court as a winner 80 times this season, only five times as a loser - that's a great record for me,'' Federer said.

Federer won the first set in 27 minutes.

Federer will face David Nalbandian, who avenged his defeat in the 2004 final by beating Marat Safin 6-4, 6-7 (6), 7-6 (2).

Though Federer and Nalbandian have split their previous 12 encounters, the Argentine has only beaten Federer once since 2003 - in last year's Masters Cup final.

Nalbandian reached the Madrid semifinals for the third straight year as Safin committed 74 unforced errors - four in the third-set tiebreaker.


Copyright © 2006 Associated Press. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed

wally1
10-20-2006, 11:37 PM
Will people who saw it please explain:

1) How the crowd was acting during the match.

2) Were they really booing him off the court at the end?

3) What gesture did Tomas make?

4) What was said at the net?

5) What did Nadal say to reporters?At the net Nadal said to Berdych "That was very bad, very bad", obviously referring to his sshhh gesture...

mamasue
10-20-2006, 11:58 PM
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/9527/pissldj6.gifhttp://img153.imageshack.us/img153/5469/pissrmk2.gif

NYCtennisfan
10-21-2006, 12:17 AM
Unless Berdy is not serving at a high % or making a lot of mistakes from the baseline, Nadal doesn't really have anything that can push him around. For some reason Berdman is really focused when playing Rafa as he serves well, hits crisply from the back, and looks to volley to put away points.

Merton
10-21-2006, 01:15 AM
Tomas :D :hatoff: It is a pity that the silencing gesture and Rafa's comment took out the attention from the match itself, it was very high quality and much closer than the Toronto match, even though the latter went to a 3rd set. It was nice that Tomas got the last minibreak by a great passing shot down the line when he guessed correctly which way Rafa would go after his short serve return. When he serves well and chooses his moments to attack he is very dangerous, especially indoors.

Rafa played much better than in Toronto but still lost, I think this season he has played better indoors than last year despite his win at Madrid. Today he made some uncharacteristic unforced errors on the forehand side but they looked to me more like the result of trying to play more agressively.

Merton
10-21-2006, 01:16 AM
By the way, if I am not mistaken with this victory Tomas enters the top-10 for the first time in his career, a rewarding result given that he won against two top-10 players the last couple of days.

doris_hdz
10-21-2006, 01:39 AM
Tomas!!!!:hearts::drool::woohoo:

Action Jackson
10-21-2006, 02:23 AM
Nothing wrong with a bit of needle out there and as for Nadal and Berdych they have known each other for a long time, then again this doesn't mean it's love.

Complaining about crowds is always acceptable on MTF, as for the shhh gesture well I am not surprised Berdych did that at all, and the mocking of Nadal with the running on the spot was funnier in my view.

As for the match itself it was enjoyable and Tomas held it together well despite of missing that easy overhead at the start of the breaker and going down the set point when he missed 2 forehands, then again it's an awful match up for Rafa and some people might actually get that now.

Havok
10-21-2006, 02:54 AM
By the way, if I am not mistaken with this victory Tomas enters the top-10 for the first time in his career, a rewarding result given that he won against two top-10 players the last couple of days.

I thought he had already cracked the top 10 at some point this year at #10 for a handful of weeks off and on, though I can easily be wrong :lol:.

Anyways, without any great consistency in his game, as well as his results, I can't see him getting any higher than say 7-8 but he definitely has game to enter the top 5 especially with the current state of mens tennis :tape:.

ezekiel
10-21-2006, 03:20 AM
so Rafa hasn't won a title since RG or since he turned 20, maybe he should ask for a time travel so he can be a teenager 4ever :p

Action Jackson
10-21-2006, 03:25 AM
Berdych is amazingly strong mentally :cool:

:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

vogus
10-21-2006, 03:31 AM
Berdych's game is amazing indoors, too bad for him that there is no Grand Slam played on that surface.

GlennMirnyi
10-21-2006, 03:41 AM
Nothing wrong with a bit of needle out there and as for Nadal and Berdych they have known each other for a long time, then again this doesn't mean it's love.

Complaining about crowds is always acceptable on MTF, as for the shhh gesture well I am not surprised Berdych did that at all, and the mocking of Nadal with the running on the spot was funnier in my view.

As for the match itself it was enjoyable and Tomas held it together well despite of missing that easy overhead at the start of the breaker and going down the set point when he missed 2 forehands, then again it's an awful match up for Rafa and some people might actually get that now.

That was the best thing I've ever seen.

Action Jackson
10-21-2006, 03:46 AM
That was the best thing I've ever seen.

I wish someone would load that part of the match on youtube. As for the mocking gestures, well just makes it more interesting. That Berdych one was funny, he didn't look that graceful and it was almost as funny as Tarango impersonating Muster right down to the walk.

Berdman can play on all surfaces, though grass I think is his weakest.

artlinkletter
10-21-2006, 04:25 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V16Q3En4wDU
Here's the highlights from the match. The run is right near the end. Pretty damn funny.

Action Jackson
10-21-2006, 04:34 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V16Q3En4wDU
Here's the highlights from the match. The run is right near the end. Pretty damn funny.

Thanks for uploading that or whoever uploaded it. Got to love the run.

artlinkletter
10-21-2006, 04:37 AM
Whoops, I should have stated I didn't upload it, but I'm thankful to whomever did.

lordmanji
10-21-2006, 04:53 AM
okay after watching the highlights: it's okay that berdych did the "shh" sign. the madrid crowd was on his case during the match, theres a bit of testosterone in his system and he's happy. immature but okay. it was okay for nadal to say "it was very bad" for berdych for doing that.

what WASNT okay was berdych raising his arms after sitting down and goading on the whistling and angry spanish crowd. that was a bit beyond taste and for nadal to say berdych is a stupid player afterward is also immature. but both these guys are young. they can be both stupid now cuz im sure theyll mature later.

GlennMirnyi
10-21-2006, 05:30 AM
The best answer somebody could give to the nutcases in Madrid Berdych gave: the :shrug:

Johnny Groove
10-21-2006, 05:43 AM
Berdych should be banned from Madrid for the rest of his life :p

~EMiLiTA~
10-21-2006, 05:57 AM
well i have to say full credit to tomas for his win, regardless of all the other shit that went on. i think it's good when these top guys lose every so often

Federer&Hingis
10-21-2006, 06:11 AM
I love that,Berdych.

Thank you for kicking that ugly piggy spanish's ass.

Action Jackson
10-21-2006, 07:15 AM
Berdych should be banned from Madrid for the rest of his life :p

He could always warm up with a T-shirt saying "thanks for the boos' in Spanish.

yomike
10-21-2006, 08:07 AM
No surprise really but I expected an easier scoreline. Thank You Tomas

stebs
10-21-2006, 08:39 AM
Really good second set after a quite good first set. I love the fact that Tomas ended it with a big FH, a big BH and then a big serve. It's kind of representative of how he won the entire match squeezed into the final three points. :)

I loved Tomas giving a big thumbs up when the crowd were booing him. :lol:

stebs
10-21-2006, 08:41 AM
Oh, and I'm sure some people will say Rafa sucks on hardcourts and all this. I still think he's good even on this surface, Berdych was playing seriously good tennis. This match was a hell of a lot better than the match they had in Toronto, Rafa was playing at pretty much his highest level toward the end of the second set and Berdych had to play fantastic to hold serve. Rafa even retreived a really powerful smash.

moon language
10-21-2006, 08:45 AM
It's as if when he's playing Rafa he just calms down because it's like he knows exactly what to do.

Watching the highlights it amazes me just how far behind the baseline Rafa is standing, and how consistently he's back there. A lot of that is due to Tomas, but still.

It's mainly when he's returning. He already about ten feet behind the baseline before the ball is in play. It's one thing about Nadal that really bothers me. It seems like such an obviously bad tactic and if I were him I would force myself to stand closer, even if it meant hurting my game for a while as I adjusted. He's always going to have problems with some players if he keeps starting points from such a position.

Castafiore
10-21-2006, 08:53 AM
It's mainly when he's returning. He already about ten feet behind the baseline before the ball is in play. It's one thing about Nadal that really bothers me. It seems like such an obviously bad tactic and if I were him I would force myself to stand closer, even if it meant hurting my game for a while as I adjusted. He's always going to have problems with some players if he keeps starting points from such a position.
Exactly! It's a bad tactic.
Well, in part...he was "pushed" back by Berdych because of his powerful strokes but in some sections of the match, he did deal with it. If he stands closer to return and remembers to move forward instead of backward, he can win the point because at occassions he was able to do it. He just has to find a way to keep up with it during an entire match against certain players.

stebs
10-21-2006, 08:56 AM
I'm actually going to disagree with all of you and say that Rafa was playing the right tactics that he had to play whenr receiving. His game will never allow him to be a full on attacker but sure, he could attack more. However, other than a few great passing winner and the odd forehand DTL winner most of Rafa's return points were coming off Berdych's forced errors. Rafa was getting things back until Berdych had to miss. If Rafa was standing closer all we would see would be Berdych hitting winner after winner after winner.

Action Jackson
10-21-2006, 09:02 AM
Any major changes to a players game is going to take time to implement them and when things aren't going right, then they will go back to what they know and are comfortable with.

Tactically in this match it didn't matter as Berdych was clearly the better player and imposed his game on Nadal and the stuff Berdych doesn't like for example the Davydenko or the Gilles Simon junk, isn't a type of game that he can play.

stebs
10-21-2006, 09:06 AM
Any major changes to a players game is going to take time to implement them and when things aren't going right, then they will go back to what they know and are comfortable with.

Tactically in this match it didn't matter as Berdych was clearly the better player and imposed his game on Nadal and the stuff Berdych doesn't like for example the Davydenko or the Gilles Simon junk, isn't a type of game that he can play.

Agreed. Nadal may be good but he can't suddenly become an offensive player with the weapons to outgun someone like Berdych. It just isn't going to happen.

Action Jackson
10-21-2006, 09:09 AM
Agreed. Nadal may be good but he can't suddenly become an offensive player with the weapons to outgun someone like Berdych. It just isn't going to happen.

Well he knows he needs to be more offensive on faster surfaces and that will take time for that, as to try and hit a flatter ball more often and for that to succeed, there will be some losses in the process.

As I have said more than enough times, it's the match up issue and tennis has always been about that and Nadal has to find a way within his game to be able to overcome this hurdle.

stebs
10-21-2006, 09:12 AM
Well he knows he needs to be more offensive on faster surfaces and that will take time for that, as to try and hit a flatter ball more often and for that to succeed, there will be some losses in the process.

As I have said more than enough times, it's the match up issue and tennis has always been about that and Nadal has to find a way within his game to be able to overcome this hurdle.

Nadal was close today. He had set point and had he taken that set I don't think Berdych would've been too tough to beat in a third set. Against a guy like Berdych being more offensive is not the answer for someone like Nadal.

Take, as an example, the RG final. Federer lost that partly because of Rafa being a great player but also because he was too proud. He wanted to beat Rafa at his own game but it turned out he couldn't.

In my opinion if Rafa starts trying to beat Berdych at his own game he's going to get beaten because Berdych is better at his game than Rafa.

NeverSayDie
10-21-2006, 09:14 AM
Nadaaaaaaaaaaaaaaal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :sad: :sobbing: :hug: Well done Berdych though. I believe he will now get to the final :yeah:

Lullaby
10-21-2006, 09:16 AM
When Berdych is serving like that you have to have a fantastic return of serve to stay in that match.

I also thought nadal was not hitting with enough depth leaving the ball far too short at times

Action Jackson
10-21-2006, 09:16 AM
Nadal was close today. He had set point and had he taken that set I don't think Berdych would've been too tough to beat in a third set. Against a guy like Berdych being more offensive is not the answer for someone like Nadal.

Take, as an example, the RG final. Federer lost that partly because of Rafa being a great player but also because he was too proud. He wanted to beat Rafa at his own game but it turned out he couldn't.

In my opinion if Rafa starts trying to beat Berdych at his own game he's going to get beaten because Berdych is better at his game than Rafa.

That is what if territory. He was outplayed clearly and he only got in front in the TB cause of Berdman's errors, an easy missed overhead and 2 lazy forehands. Berdych has lost sets to Nadal before and won, well 2 other times even, so I doubt that.

Why would he try and beat Berdych at his own game?

stebs
10-21-2006, 09:23 AM
That is what if territory. He was outplayed clearly and he only got in front in the TB cause of Berdman's errors, an easy missed overhead and 2 lazy forehands. Berdych has lost sets to Nadal before and won, well 2 other times even, so I doubt that.

Why would he try and beat Berdych at his own game?

People are suggesting that he should be standing on the baseline trying to attack. I don't think it is the way to go, no-one is perfect and everyone has a type of game which hurts them. This is it for Rafa.

As for the TB errors, of course he shouldn't be making those mistakes but put them in context. Okay, so one forehand really was a screw up, even if that had gone over it wouldn't have been a good shot. However, the other one was a pressured miss and the overhead was missed as a result of an incredible get by Nadal, he chased down a very decent smash and got it back.

I assume you watched the match as you seem to be able to recall points from it and yes, you are right with your information, Nadal has twice taken a set and still lost. It was a completely different match out there to the other two, you can't use statistics in that kind of situation. Berdych was starting to get outplayed and for the second half of the second set Rafa was the better player, Berdych had to play big to hold serve. Rafa was cruising. It was well done by Berdych but I think if a third set had come about Rafa would have won it fairly easily.

jacobhiggins
10-21-2006, 09:25 AM
Stebs I dont' agree with you, Federer has the ablility to play Nadal differently.

Nadal does not have the ability to play Berdych differently, Berdych is just better then him on hardcourts!

Allez
10-21-2006, 09:31 AM
Tomas Berdych is waaay too cool. We like him very much :yeah: :yeah: :yeah:

stebs
10-21-2006, 09:34 AM
Stebs I dont' agree with you, Federer has the ablility to play Nadal differently.

Nadal does not have the ability to play Berdych differently, Berdych is just better then him on hardcourts!

That is pretty much exactly what I'm saying :lol:

Action Jackson
10-21-2006, 09:37 AM
People are suggesting that he should be standing on the baseline trying to attack. I don't think it is the way to go, no-one is perfect and everyone has a type of game which hurts them. This is it for Rafa.

Well I have already covered this previously and the gradual process of becoming an attacking player, no need to do it again.

As for the TB errors, of course he shouldn't be making those mistakes but put them in context. Okay, so one forehand really was a screw up, even if that had gone over it wouldn't have been a good shot. However, the other one was a pressured miss and the overhead was missed as a result of an incredible get by Nadal, he chased down a very decent smash and got it back.

I did put them context, what Nadal is almost in the Santiago Bernabeu stadium and Berdych wanted to hit the smash on the full instead of letting it bounce, and not wrongfoot him they were clear errors, but that is what Nadal does best to other players, forcing errors through his defensive skills.

I assume you watched the match as you seem to be able to recall points from it and yes, you are right with your information, Nadal has twice taken a set and still lost. It was a completely different match out there to the other two, you can't use statistics in that kind of situation. Berdych was starting to get outplayed and for the second half of the second set Rafa was the better player, Berdych had to play big to hold serve. Rafa was cruising. It was well done by Berdych but I think if a third set had come about Rafa would have won it fairly easily

You still want to play "what if". I don't just use stats for the comments I make. I am capable of using the odd ounce of thought without numbers. I have seen all their matches and so Berdman has concentration lapses.

Does he have a problem playing with Nadal? This was the only time he won in straight sets and I saw nothing in this match to suggest he wasn't winning this match as well and I said that before the match. Did he get broken? It's about winning the big points and who won more of the big points?

I deal with the reality and that is 6-3 7-6(6).

stebs
10-21-2006, 09:47 AM
You still want to play "what if". I don't just use stats for the comments I make. I am capable of using the odd ounce of thought without numbers. I have seen all their matches and so Berdman has concentration lapses.

Yes, it's true but Berdych didn't really have a concentration lapse in those two sets. It is clear from this and many other threads that you don't like what if because it is impossible to tell. I agree in some situations but not in this one, if Rafa had taken second set he would have been big favourite to win the match. It was clear from the way Berdych was playing, I think he was even thinking the same. He put it all in to try and finish the match in two, it's not because he can't win in three but because of the way the first two sets panned out.

Does he have a problem playing with Nadal? This was the only time he won in straight sets and I saw nothing in this match to suggest he wasn't winning this match as well and I said that before the match. Did he get broken? It's about winning the big points and who won more of the big points?

No, he has no problem playing Nadal. That's not what I'm saying, I have no idea where you are getting these thoughts from. He was close to being broken. I know these are all speculative things but Rafa was the better player for most of the second set, you can say all you want about big points and of course it's true but what difference does that make to what I'm saying? I'm not saying Rafa DID win the second set, I don't see why it's an issue for you. Berdych won the second set but that doesn't definitively mean he was the better player.

Sure, Berdych won the big points, well done to him. Again, this is going off from anything I said. I'm not saying Rafa should've won the match. Berdych played a great match, he deserves everything he gets if he can play like that.

What you say makes no difference to the issue in hand, if you don't want to discuss it then don't. I don't mind, I am just stating my opinion.

Exodus
10-21-2006, 09:56 AM
berdych you are awesome you made nadal look like a fool

Action Jackson
10-21-2006, 09:56 AM
Yes, it's true but Berdych didn't really have a concentration lapse in those two sets. It is clear from this and many other threads that you don't like what if because it is impossible to tell. I agree in some situations but not in this one, if Rafa had taken second set he would have been big favourite to win the match. It was clear from the way Berdych was playing, I think he was even thinking the same. He put it all in to try and finish the match in two, it's not because he can't win in three but because of the way the first two sets panned out..

No, he didn't in this match. I am refering to his on court demeanour and his game and he has concentration lapses. Yes, he had no lapses in the TB.
As for whether I like what ifs are not, well I could write 50000 volumes on what if scenarios, but what point would it serve?

Ok, so it's a bad thing to win a match in 2 sets instead of 3. Silly Berdych for trying to win as quickly as possible.


No, he has no problem playing Nadal. That's not what I'm saying, I have no idea where you are getting these thoughts from. He was close to being broken. I know these are all speculative things but Rafa was the better player for most of the second set, you can say all you want about big points and of course it's true but what difference does that make to what I'm saying? I'm not saying Rafa DID win the second set, I don't see why it's an issue for you. Berdych won the second set but that doesn't definitively mean he was the better player.

Yes, it's baseless speculation, but as the MTF law says, speculation must be treated as fact. If Rafa had taken second set he would have been big favourite to win the match, by suggesting that you are pretty much saying that he'd have won the match, irrespective of a lot of unknown factors. What counts is the W, you have been following tennis long enough to get that.

LK_22
10-21-2006, 10:01 AM
Berdych :yeah:

He'll still probably miss out this season, but he would be a great addition to the Masters Cup

Exodus
10-21-2006, 10:01 AM
i hope he will win madrid beating federer

stebs
10-21-2006, 10:02 AM
Ok, so it's a bad thing to win a match in 2 sets instead of 3. Silly Berdych for trying to win as quickly as possible.

:rolleyes: What are you talking about? Of course it's good for Tomas to win it in straight sets. You are not even twisting any words you're just making up this I can't see anywhere were you got an idea of this in my post.

Anyway, hopefully it's just misunderstanding rather than you genuinely trying to make me look stupid for no reason.

Yes, it's baseless speculation, but as the MTF law says, speculation must be treated as fact. If Rafa had taken second set he would have been big favourite to win the match, by suggesting that you are pretty much saying that he'd have won the match, irrespective of a lot of unknown factors. What counts is the W, you have been following tennis long enough to get that.

I'm not saying that, if I was saying that I would have said that exactly. All I'm saying is the very thing that I said, Nadal would've been big favourite. I don't mind if you disagree but stop trying to put words in my mouth because it is of little use, it will just provoke me to come and quote you and say that's not true. It serves no purpose just like speculation.

Anyway, I think you have spent too much time arguing with partisan fans of players, it has affected the way you treat other people's opinions because you're being unduly sarcastic.

dani-fan Belgium
10-21-2006, 10:05 AM
To the idiotic Madrid crowd : you will cry more tomorrow night when barcelona kill real madrid and schumacher takes alonso out of the race :worship:

Castafiore
10-21-2006, 10:10 AM
George, isn't that what you love to do when you talk about match-ups between former players and current players? Toy around with "what IF" scenarios?

Action Jackson
10-21-2006, 10:13 AM
:rolleyes: What are you talking about? Of course it's good for Tomas to win it in straight sets. You are not even twisting any words you're just making up this I can't see anywhere were you got an idea of this in my post.

Anyway, hopefully it's just misunderstanding rather than you genuinely trying to make me look stupid for no reason.

Try and include the whole paragraph next time and come on how could you not tell I was joking with the 2 sets comment? That is actually a problem if you took that seriously.

I'm not saying that, if I was saying that I would have said that exactly. All I'm saying is the very thing that I said, Nadal would've been big favourite. I don't mind if you disagree but stop trying to put words in my mouth because it is of little use, it will just provoke me to come and quote you and say that's not true. It serves no purpose just like speculation.

Anyway, I think you have spent too much time arguing with partisan fans of players, it has affected the way you treat other people's opinions because you're being unduly sarcastic.

Well you don't know that he would have been the big favourite to win in 3, if it went to a 3rd, do you? How do you know this for sure? You don't and no one does. I disagree with baseless speculation and we can keep going with his nonsense if you want.

You are talking about a specific scenario in this match that didn't happen. I have told why I don't like the "what if" game and that should be clear enough to understand.

Action Jackson
10-21-2006, 10:15 AM
George, isn't that what you love to do when you talk about match-ups between former players and current players? Toy around with "what IF" scenarios?

Difference is that I have stated many times that different eras can't be really compared for obvious reasons and it's a fun and useless exercise, that I don' t take seriously.

Or do you want some "what if" scenario volumes?

Castafiore
10-21-2006, 10:23 AM
Difference is that I have stated many times that different eras can't be really compared for obvious reasons and it's a fun and useless exercise, that I don' t take seriously.
You still keep doing it even though it's useless but it's fun so why give others a hard time for a "what if" scenario that's equally as useless since the match is over and done with?

Besides, you do seem to take it very seriously when players you like get involved, though. Talk about Muster and you always take it seriously judging by the way you hunt down people who happen to disagree with your particular "what if" scenario
Rafa had a set point. He could have won that set. Berdych could have very well won the match in three sets as well but it's not set in stone either. Whatever the case....should have, would have, could have....it's pointless.
Berdych won. Rafa didn't but some find it fun to toy around with a what if scenario. You can hardly blame them for doing so if you find toying around with "what if" scenario's fun

Or do you want some "what if" scenario volumes?
No thanks.

stebs
10-21-2006, 10:24 AM
Try and include the whole paragraph next time and come on how could you not tell I was joking with the 2 sets comment? That is actually a problem if you took that seriously.

I didn't take it seriously, I took it for a sarcastic comment. Anyway, that doesn't matter.

Well you don't know that he would have been the big favourite to win in 3, if it went to a 3rd, do you? How do you know this for sure? You don't and no one does. I disagree with baseless speculation and we can keep going with his nonsense if you want.

It's not nonsense. Were Nadal to have won the second set (I know it doesn't matter but I like to discuss things like this, if you don't then don't reply) he would have been favourite. Maybe he would have won but he would have been favourite. If you don't realise why the I am very surprised, you have a great depth of tennis knowledge and of other sports. Nadal would have momentum, he would have the crowd in his pocket and he's the higher seed. At this stage I am no longer trying to say that Nadal would win the set but merely that he would have been favourite at the start of a third set. It is not baseless speculation nor speculation at all, I have told you what I think and why. If you can't see why Nadal would be favourite then I have to ask why and how you can possibly think that.

You are talking about a specific scenario in this match that didn't happen. I have told why I don't like the "what if" game and that should be clear enough to understand.
Then don't disvuss it with me, I don't really care that much about whether you like it. If you don't then don't post as I have said before. Whether or not you like the 'what if' game makes no difference so long as you continue to reply.

It's all a load of rubbish what I'm saying and to a certain extent what you're saying but that doesn't mean to say talking about it is useless, I find it interesting.

Action Jackson
10-21-2006, 10:29 AM
You still keep doing it even though it's useless but it's fun so why give others a hard time for a "what if" scenario that's equally as useless since the match is over and done with?.

Well have Berdych and Nadal played before? No need to answer that one, not the same as the other issue you want to bring up.

Besides, you do seem to take it very seriously when players you like get involved, though. Talk about Muster and you always take it seriously judging by the way you hunt down people who happen to disagree with your particular "what if" scenario.

The only problem I have when people already consider Nadal the greatest claycourt player of all time. Keep up with the assumptions, let me know when you want a serious discussion about that issue.

Rafa had a set point. He could have won that set. Berdych could have very well won the match in three sets as well but it's not set in stone either. Whatever the case....should have, would have, could have....it's pointless.
Berdych won. Rafa didn't but some find it fun to toy around with a what if scenario.

If he was good enough to do it, then he would have. No shit, that is what I said, there is no way of telling either way. It's basically 0+0, but hey I can play for ages with the what if scenario.

Castafiore
10-21-2006, 10:38 AM
Well have Berdych and Nadal played before? No need to answer that one, not the same as the other issue you want to bring up.
I know your take on this and I do take this match-up issue into consideration (that's why I acknowledged the fact that this defeat does not surprise me one bit) but it's not as simple as 1 and 1 is 2. Seeing at how close this match was, I wouldn't be surprised if Berdych won their next match but it wouldn't surprise me if Rafa won it. Yes, they have played before but you can't simply draw a direct line between history and future.




The only problem I have when people already consider Nadal the greatest claycourt player of all time. Keep up with the assumptions, let me know when you want a serious discussion about that issue.:confused:
:lol: the Muster topic always gets you going.
I haven't made the Rafa is the greatest claycourt player assumption so I don't know why you are telling me this.
You are giving posters a hard time over Muster in comparison with Nadal even if those posters have acknowledged that Rafa is not at all the greatest claycourter of all time and you've just proven that point with your rather condescending "Keep up with the assumptions, let me know when you want a serious discussion about that issue". Give posters a hard time when they actually make that assumption, George.



If he was good enough to do it, then he would have. No shit, that is what I said, there is no way of telling either way. It's basically 0+0, but hey I can play for ages with the what if scenario.
That's not the point. I know that you are very capable to play with what if scenarios for ages but you only seem to accept those scenarios on your own terms.

Rogiman
10-21-2006, 10:44 AM
It's not nonsense. Were Nadal to have won the second set he would have been favourite. Maybe he would have won but he would have been favourite. Nadal would have momentum, he would have the crowd in his pocket and he's the higher seed. At this stage I am no longer trying to say that Nadal would win the set but merely that he would have been favourite at the start of a third set. Nadal won the 2nd set of their previous encounter, surely he had the momentum on his side, right?
The result? Berdych ripping him a new one, cave-size, in the 3rd :lol:

Action Jackson
10-21-2006, 11:02 AM
It's not nonsense. Were Nadal to have won the second set (I know it doesn't matter but I like to discuss things like this, if you don't then don't reply) he would have been favourite. Maybe he would have won but he would have been favourite. If you don't realise why the I am very surprised, you have a great depth of tennis knowledge and of other sports. Nadal would have momentum, he would have the crowd in his pocket and he's the higher seed. At this stage I am no longer trying to say that Nadal would win the set but merely that he would have been favourite at the start of a third set. It is not baseless speculation nor speculation at all, I have told you what I think and why. If you can't see why Nadal would be favourite then I have to ask why and how you can possibly think that.

I can only reply to this one, as I have some other things that need to be taken care of. Momentum is a funny thing and can't be predicted with any accuracy, the crowd were always against Berdych, that was not going to change suddenly, was it?

Ok, so Berdych won their last match after he dropped the 2nd set and he is playing on a surface more favourable to him this time around as the weather elements were taken out of his control and he is at his best indoors which is something Nadal isn't.

It's all a load of rubbish what I'm saying and to a certain extent what you're saying but that doesn't mean to say talking about it is useless, I find it interesting.

You made a comment about me not liking the "what if" game so I answered why this was so. As for rubbish which it definitely is, on both parts. We know the result and there is no speculation about that.

oz_boz
10-21-2006, 11:30 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V16Q3En4wDU
Here's the highlights from the match. The run is right near the end. Pretty damn funny.

Watching the highlights; awesome points - particularly the 2nd one with a blasting forehand w from Berdman and the point at 3.45 where Rafa returns the favour ;)

These two and Safin are the players that impress me the most wrt sheer power with seeming ease.

Action Jackson
10-21-2006, 11:46 AM
I know your take on this and I do take this match-up issue into consideration (that's why I acknowledged the fact that this defeat does not surprise me one bit) but it's not as simple as 1 and 1 is 2. Seeing at how close this match was, I wouldn't be surprised if Berdych won their next match but it wouldn't surprise me if Rafa won it. Yes, they have played before but you can't simply draw a direct line between history and future.

The only match that wasn't really close was Toronto, and even then he won a set. The other three have been and when was that disputed? As for their next matches, a lot of it depends on what surface they play on, form etc etc and this will always be a tough match up for Nadal, unless he radically changes his game or finds the solutions to trip up Berdych. The facts in this case speak for themselves as they do when Rafa plays Federer.

:confused:
:lol: the Muster topic always gets you going.
I haven't made the Rafa is the greatest claycourt player assumption so I don't know why you are telling me this. You are giving posters a hard time over Muster in comparison with Nadal even if those posters have acknowledged that Rafa is not at all the greatest claycourter of all time and you've just proven that point with your rather condescending "Keep up with the assumptions, let me know when you want a serious discussion about that issue". Give posters a hard time when they actually make that assumption, George.

Well wasn't it you, that bought up the speculation for matches between players that will never play? If you want condescending we can go there if you want.

That's not the point. I know that you are very capable to play with what if scenarios for ages but you only seem to accept those scenarios on your own terms.

Far from it actually, if someone can state their particular points in a clear manner and back them up, then that's fine. Does it mean I have to agree with it and does that mean they have to agree with mine?

Just for you to make sure you get it. Agassi deserved his 99 RG win against Medvedev. Did the rain delay help him? Yes, but was he good enough to come back and take advantage of the delay? Yes. Medvedev could have won without the rain delay or he might have shat himself, but the facts are he couldn't deal with and therefore wasn't good enough when it counted. Would you like anymore?

Castafiore
10-21-2006, 11:53 AM
Well wasn't it you, that bought up the speculation for matches between players that will never play?.
You're twisting things, George.

I was talking of your fondness of talking about Muster, match-ups and "what if" scenarios. You were the one bringing up the greatest claycourter thing into this debate, remember?

Being condescending is very nice, George, but can you do "condescending" without twisting the words of people? That would be a great trick!

Far from it actually, if someone can state their particular points in a clear manner and back them up, then that's fine
But that's just the point. You can't back up your what if scenarios either since the previous players can't play against the current generation. It's all a game of "could have, should have, would have". You can talk in terms of backhand, forehand, use of the court but a person with such a good tennis knowledge like yourself would know that a match is more complicated than this. It is hardly ever as simple as 1+1=2.

You can't back up your what if scenarios either since you say yourself that it's sheer speculation but fun. You can throw all kinds of little details from previous matches into the discussion but that's never going to back up a fun "what if" scenario with facts.

this will always be a tough match up for Nadal, unless he radically changes his game or finds the solutions to trip up Berdych.
Agreed.

Spes
10-21-2006, 01:02 PM
Tomas. :worship: Well done to keep your nerve at the end.

PamV
10-21-2006, 01:13 PM
Awesome stuff Tomas! :worship:

His gesture at the crowd at the end might not have been the most sportsmanlike, but their cheering wasn't either so they have no right to complain. And booing and chanting go out, go out in Spanish was disgraceful too.
And whatever Rafa said to Tomas at the net was unjustified as well as he wasn't innocent today either.

Great for Tomas that he was able to keep his nerve in front of 10000 fans. I thought he blew it, when serving *5-4 up in the tb and making two silly errors, but that BH passing shot to set up the mp was taken very well.


I agree with you. His gesture actually seemed puzzling to most people watching on TV. It wasn't offensive, but it wasn't a good idea either. Nadal over reacted to chastise Berdych over that and it seems more like he was trying to shift the focus off of his lose by berating Berdych over that silly gesture. Maybe Nadal didn't notice all the noise the crowd had been making while Berdych had been serving....yet they were quiet when Nadal served.

I was surprised when Berdych pulled himself together to win the last 3 points of the TB. That took a lot of mental toughness under the circumstances. It was amazing the power of Berdych's shots in this match. He had Nadal pinned against the back board trying to scramble.

Jogy
10-21-2006, 01:23 PM
Casta, stop waste time and reason, it is use-less to make argueing with Hitler. One day he tells you that what if games are not his stuff and other day he is telling you that "if rain had not come in French Open, Agassi would not have won it" "if 90s was not lull in claycourt tennis, Agassi and Courier would not have won it" "Lendl is the better player because he achieves more than Connors" (but comparing between era is not possible, right? he says...), "Haas sucks and was never #2 if there were better players and not lull in tennis with only Hewitt at #1" "if nobody shouted out in Roddick/Nalbandian match, Roddick would never won US Open" and such thigns he said to me or other. He just presents things how he wants to see it, not bad, but he do not admit that other people have reason to believe what they believe.



About match:
Berdych is ugly match up for Nadal just like Nadal is ugly match up for Federer. You can do nothing about it and I think Nadal not beats him many times the next times when they meat on hardcourt or grass.

Must say congrat to Berdych and hope he or Gonzalez win tournament! :yeah:

shotgun
10-26-2006, 02:45 AM
It was good to see Rafa finally admitting that he has problems when playing against Berdych.

Q. Different styles match up in different ways. Is there something about his style which matches up bad for you?

RAFAEL NADAL: Yeah. He plays very aggressive. He has very good shots, very tough shots. He drives the ball very hard. He plays very long. It's difficult.

I am trying to sometimes returning inside the court. I am trying to sometimes go from the back for a return. I'm trying to play a little bit more aggressive, a little bit more defensive. I'm trying all the time to find a way. But it was very difficult. He was playing very good. I find a way, because I played a very good second set.

I had my chances, and I didn't have good luck in those moments. For me it was a nice match with different styles. He was good. He was playing very, very good. I was playing good, too. The tennis is two points sometimes. Today I had a chance with myself in the 6-5 and after in the 6-6. It was his ball and he had the passing shot, with the back hand, passing shot. At that moment the match changed a lot in one point. That's it.

But the match for me was a very nice match, a very good level with different styles. Both styles were good. His worked a little bit better, but I am trying for next year. I'll work harder for playing next year. And I want to win this match next year for sure. Thank you.

Hard to imagine it was the same Nadal talking the day before:

The two times I've played him, my level was quite low and I was feeling quite tired. Cincinnati was an incredible match. Toronto I didn't play well, it was very windy.

But the funniest comment is this one (about the Berdych-Roddick result):

Si tuviera que apostar habría apostado por Roddick, es mucho mejor jugador, pero era un partido muy, muy abierto.

ugotlobbed
10-26-2006, 05:14 AM
berdych said, u played good, nadal said, veyr bad very bad i think

Allez
05-18-2013, 09:42 AM
This was the last match Berdych won against Nadal. Anyone recall what he did differently to how he's played Rafa since :shrug:

Tennis-Life
05-18-2013, 10:10 AM
Berdy = RafaKilla

:facepalm::superlol:

Gladiator
05-18-2013, 10:18 AM
Dammit, I was worried for a sec

The Fearhand
05-18-2013, 10:18 AM
I am going to be completely honest here.

I thought the match today between Rafa and Berdych was played and this was the score judging from the headline.
I got pissed as a Rafa fan and totally bought it for at least 1 minute. Shame on me.

Having said that Berdych can win today in 2 sets, it wouldn't surprise me.

twoflower
05-18-2013, 10:40 AM
Had a mini heart attack there :p

pierricbross
05-18-2013, 10:43 AM
Because no-one mentioned the event or year it wasn't until I read to the bottom of the first page that I actually looked at the post dates and then I felt dumb. I even checked the atp website and livescore website because I just couldn't believe it. :x

Hilariously good job to the guy who bumped this. Made me laff.

romismak
05-18-2013, 10:52 AM
This was the last match Berdych won against Nadal. Anyone recall what he did differently to how he's played Rafa since :shrug:

Easy - Berdych played more agressive few years ago - had his day and don´t forget that surfaces - or that Madrid was faster than today´s surfaces and also indoors factor always Rafa in disadvantage vs big server - big hitters indoors.

Shanksgiving
05-18-2013, 11:20 AM
Wouldn't mind if it actually happens today. Berdych deserves a win and Rafa needs a break

Chirag
05-18-2013, 11:23 AM
This was the last match Berdych won against Nadal. Anyone recall what he did differently to how he's played Rafa since :shrug:

he was young and so did not bend down like normal :facepalm:

duarte_a
05-18-2013, 11:23 AM
Dammit, I was worried for a sec

I am going to be completely honest here.

I thought the match today between Rafa and Berdych was played and this was the score judging from the headline.
I got pissed as a Rafa fan and totally bought it for at least 1 minute. Shame on me.

Having said that Berdych can win today in 2 sets, it wouldn't surprise me.

Had a mini heart attack there :p

Because no-one mentioned the event or year it wasn't until I read to the bottom of the first page that I actually looked at the post dates and then I felt dumb. I even checked the atp website and livescore website because I just couldn't believe it. :x

Hilariously good job to the guy who bumped this. Made me laff.

:lol:

tyruk14
05-18-2013, 12:17 PM
Lol. Great bump.

superslam77
05-18-2013, 12:32 PM
fooled me for a while i was gonna cheer you trolls :P

LoveFifteen
05-18-2013, 01:26 PM
Berdych is amazingly strong mentally :cool: He will be in Top 5 soon for sure.

:lol:

Topspindoctor
05-19-2013, 09:13 AM
Nice match from Berdych, clearly a bad matchup for Nadal - he did well to beat him in front of a partisan Spanish crowd.

:superlol:

se7en
05-19-2013, 01:09 PM
Berdych is amazingly strong mentally :cool: He will be in Top 5 soon for sure.

:spit:

Fed fordawin
05-19-2013, 01:17 PM
:superlol:

That's true :shrug:
People couldn't predict back then that all surfaces would be turned to clay.