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We're doomed to more culinary blogging! Nalbandian def. Safin 6-4 6-7 7-6

Naranoc
10-20-2006, 04:00 PM
Damn, I so hoped to see a Safin-Federer semi.. :(

Ah well, MTF was once again proven wrong in predicting the outcome of Safin's matches :smash:

Not being able to serve out the match in the third :o

atheneglaukopis
10-20-2006, 04:02 PM
Well, he fought after a truly dismal first set. Nice run, Marat.

Björki
10-20-2006, 04:02 PM
they both choked...

congrats David.

silverwhite
10-20-2006, 04:02 PM
The perfect example of why players should make careful use of their challenges. Marat might have served it out if he had a challenge left to overturn that call at 30-15 (I think). :o

MisterQ
10-20-2006, 04:02 PM
Wow, these two are keeping their matches close lately. :eek:

croat123
10-20-2006, 04:03 PM
bad match from marat :mad:

nalbandian challenged a serve call after playing the return - stupid ump :retard:
and he definately knew that marat got screwed on a call on mp at 6-5, he was right on top of the ball and shot spot showed the ball was inside the line. guess he's a scumbag too then :o

stebs
10-20-2006, 04:03 PM
I love the title :)

I doubt Safin will be loving hawkeye anymore after this. Without hawkeye Safin would've served it out in the third. Poor guy.

Congrats to Nalbandian, after getting tight and playing horribly at 5-5 he played really good to break Safin. Standard of play was okay for most of the match, Safin was relying on his serve a bit too much and too many UE's.

Good match guys. :) :) :worship:

artlinkletter
10-20-2006, 04:03 PM
The game in the third set at 6-5 Marat serving for the match was one of the weirdest games I have seen recently.

Argenbrit
10-20-2006, 04:04 PM
:haha: at the thread title.

Well done, David :yeah:

Please make your blog more interesting today.

Blue Heart24
10-20-2006, 04:05 PM
Marat was robbed at 6-5 in third

stebs
10-20-2006, 04:06 PM
The game in the third set at 6-5 Marat serving for the match was one of the weirdest games I have seen recently.

Agree. First Nalby challenges the serve and gets it right, from then on I never really knew what the score was because it wasn't at all clear until suddenly Nalbandian had BP.

admiralpye
10-20-2006, 04:06 PM
Darn!

Must be true what they say about blogging being a lucky charm.

I feel bad for Marat. Two bad calls during crucial moments and no challenge left.

atheneglaukopis
10-20-2006, 04:06 PM
The perfect example of why players should make careful use of their challenges. Marat might have served it out if he had a challenge left to overturn that call at 30-15 (I think). :oThis is exactly why I don't like the limited challenge system and never have. Getting accurate line calls should not depend on how good your eyesight/wishful thinking was earlier in the set. Plus, he & others wouldn't spend so much time arguing with the chair ump trying to get him to overrule so a challenge doesn't have to be used.

Broomie
10-20-2006, 04:06 PM
Marat's 1st set was just :smash: :rolleyes: :tape: :help: (74 UEs in the match!!!)
I can't even believe he managed to get to a 3rd set TB considering his game today! 3rd set was better, but that mess when he served for the match, he got screwed with no challenge left! :mad:

stebs
10-20-2006, 04:07 PM
Darn!

Must be true what they say about blogging being a lucky charm.

I feel bad for Marat. Two bad calls during crucial moments and no challenge left.
One bad call, the other call which seemed as though it might have been bad was shown to be correct by hawkeye. Still, his forehand which went 'long' was a shame. Mistake for him to lose that point.

atheneglaukopis
10-20-2006, 04:07 PM
Agree. First Nalby challenges the serve and gets it right, from then on I never really knew what the score was because it wasn't at all clear until suddenly Nalbandian had BP.I know! It was really awful not knowing what the score was when Marat was serving for the match, and all I could see was the unchallenged line call. :sobbing:

sawan66278
10-20-2006, 04:07 PM
Nalbandian is pathetic...Marat played a match where he had almost 75 unforced errors!!!!!! And still barely won...

And the umpire completely messed up at 6-5 in the third...Nalbandian played the serve at 6-5, and only after the ball landed out did he attempt to challenge...Yes, the serve was out, but he played the ball...It should have been 40-15 because, according to my understanding, he should not have been able to challenge the serve after playing the point!!!

These umpires need to understand what the rules are...And then, the umpire seemed to be calling out the wrong score...what a crock for a match at this level!!!:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Flibbertigibbet
10-20-2006, 04:08 PM
Agh. This was such an intense match to watch, and I just started watching in the third set. That game at 6-5 was just so odd, I thought Safin had match point, but he didn't, the challenges... And the tiebreak was all Nalbandian. I didn't know how to feel at the end of the match, it was just weird. Though I guess they both have something left out there - Safin was quite calm and focused and fought though he probably deserved to lose in straights, and he came close to winning, while Nalbandian should be more safe for Shanghai and once again has fought out a close match. I just hope Safin can start winning some of these close matches near the ends of these tournaments now. :shrug:

stebs
10-20-2006, 04:08 PM
This is exactly why I don't like the limited challenge system and never have. Getting accurate line calls should not depend on how good your eyesight/wishful thinking was earlier in the set. Plus, he & others wouldn't spend so much time arguing with the chair ump trying to get him to overrule so a challenge doesn't have to be used.

I want players to be able to request a challenge whenever they want one and it is up to the umpire to decide whether the call was close enough to warrant the use of hawkeye.

silverwhite
10-20-2006, 04:08 PM
Marat was robbed at 6-5 in third

On the other hand, he shouldn't have wasted his challenges so early on in the set. :smash:

r2473
10-20-2006, 04:08 PM
The game in the third set at 6-5 Marat serving for the match was one of the weirdest games I have seen recently.

What happened? Can someone go through it please?

orderlycommotion
10-20-2006, 04:09 PM
I was pretty sure he was gonna win the 3rd set coz he was also serving for that set :sad::sad: AAHHHH!!!!!!!! Marat!!! :sad:

artlinkletter
10-20-2006, 04:09 PM
Agree. First Nalby challenges the serve and gets it right, from then on I never really knew what the score was because it wasn't at all clear until suddenly Nalbandian had BP.

Yeah partly due to the ump confusing the score, then like you said, all of the sudden Nalbandian had BP.

LocoPorElTenis
10-20-2006, 04:09 PM
Well, Marat had no challenge left because of wrong challenges before. Using the hawkeye effective is now part of the match strategy, for good or for bad. So saying "he was robbed" is not correct. It's his fault to get to the decisive point of the match without challenges.

garylanders
10-20-2006, 04:10 PM
YES! :D :worship: :D

/GL

Sakura 0101
10-20-2006, 04:11 PM
David :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:

silverwhite
10-20-2006, 04:11 PM
The weirdest thing of all to me was that Marat remained calm despite the horrible umpiring when he served for the match. :lol:

Flibbertigibbet
10-20-2006, 04:13 PM
The weirdest thing of all to me was that Marat remained calm despite the horrible umpiring when he served for the match. :lol:

Yes! He was almost way too calm in that third set, especially near the end. I kept expecting him to mutilate a racket, but he never did.

GonzoFan
10-20-2006, 04:13 PM
:sobbing:

artlinkletter
10-20-2006, 04:13 PM
Nalbandian is pathetic...Marat played a match where he had almost 75 unforced errors!!!!!! And still barely won...

And the umpire completely messed up at 6-5 in the third...Nalbandian played the serve at 6-5, and only after the ball landed out did he attempt to challenge...Yes, the serve was out, but he played the ball...It should have been 40-15 because, according to my understanding, he should not have been able to challenge the serve after playing the point!!!

These umpires need to understand what the rules are...And then, the umpire seemed to be calling out the wrong score...what a crock for a match at this level!!!:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Yeah, I noticed during the US Open, they were very strict on when you can challenge. If you returned the ball and kept it in play even if you thought the serve was out, you couldn't challenge. But I notice/d in Moscow last week as well now in Madrid, players were/are challenging calls even after the ball was hit a couple of times after.

atheneglaukopis
10-20-2006, 04:13 PM
The weirdest thing of all to me was that Marat remained calm despite the horrible umpiring when he served for the match. :lol::lol: Yeah, Marat was pretty mentally tough today. Can't judge the third-set tiebreak due to the livestream's sudden death, but I was proud and shocked by the way he stayed so calm today.

orderlycommotion
10-20-2006, 04:13 PM
Nalbandian is pathetic...Marat played a match where he had almost 75 unforced errors!!!!!! And still barely won...

And the umpire completely messed up at 6-5 in the third...Nalbandian played the serve at 6-5, and only after the ball landed out did he attempt to challenge...Yes, the serve was out, but he played the ball...It should have been 40-15 because, according to my understanding, he should not have been able to challenge the serve after playing the point!!!

These umpires need to understand what the rules are...And then, the umpire seemed to be calling out the wrong score...what a crock for a match at this level!!!:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

I totally agree with you!

Voo de Mar
10-20-2006, 04:13 PM
The perfect example of why players should make careful use of their challenges. Marat might have served it out if he had a challenge left to overturn that call at 30-15 (I think). :o

At 6:5 in final set, Safin served ace for 40-15 and referee said "30-15"...
Romano Grillotti is embarrassing :o The same situation was in semi-final Roland Garros between Gaudio & Nalbandian but then Nalbandian lost point.
Safin should won that match :rolleyes:

Dushenka
10-20-2006, 04:15 PM
The weirdest thing of all to me was that Marat remained calm despite the horrible umpiring when he served for the match. :lol:

Ah, but that should be a good sign for the tournaments to come. If he can keep his calm and stay on top of his tennis then.... we'll see what happens.

smiles,
D.

bellascarlett
10-20-2006, 04:16 PM
:crying2: :crying2: :crying2:

MARAAAATTTT!!!!!!! missed chance...it was too good to be true...:sobbing: :sobbing:

That umpire!!! I hate him! How stupid!!!!! :smash: :retard: I still don't understand what happened when Marat was serving for the match. Huh???

atheneglaukopis
10-20-2006, 04:16 PM
At 6:5 in final set, Safin served ace for 40-15 and referee said "30-15"...
Romano Grillotti is embarassing :o The same situation was in semi-final Roland Garros between Gaudio & Nalbandian but then Nalbandian lost point.
Safin should won that match :rolleyes:I was so confused. I was convinced he had match point but I didn't have the volume up that loud (roommate sleeping) and I thought I must have missed a let or something, because it felt like more points had been played than the score was reflecting. Oh well, congrats to Nalbandian and a big :hug: to Safin.

Flibbertigibbet
10-20-2006, 04:16 PM
At 6:5 in final set, Safin served ace for 40-15 and referee said "30-15"...
Romano Grillotti is embarrassing :o The same situation was in semi-final Roland Garros between Gaudio & Nalbandian but then Nalbandian lost point.
Safin should won that match :rolleyes:

...Wait, what? Did that really happen? I was thinking that, too, but then I thought there was some overrule that changed it around. Did the referee botch up the score, or was it due to the challenges?

Neely
10-20-2006, 04:18 PM
nalbandian challenged a serve call after playing the return - stupid ump :retard:
If he only returned the serve and did not play further, indicated he wants to stup and did not try to reach the next shot, this was within the rules because "stopping play" does not mean you may not touch the ball anymore. Same practice as stopping play on clay to have a mark checked.

s.m.
10-20-2006, 04:18 PM
safin was robbed today
grillotti should leave after this pathetic display
and take your bald buddie with you

atheneglaukopis
10-20-2006, 04:18 PM
...Wait, what? Did that really happen? I was thinking that, too, but then I thought there was some overrule that changed it around. Did the referee botch up the score, or was it due to the challenges?I hope somebody recorded this, because it seems we're all lost! :lol: But it's weird that all of MTF would mistakenly think it was match point, even with wishful thinking because I was being pessimistic and assuming everything doubtful went Nalby's way...I think the ump and/or ref must have messed up.

Hendu
10-20-2006, 04:19 PM
Marat was robbed at 6-5 in third

:rolleyes:

artlinkletter
10-20-2006, 04:19 PM
I was so confused. I was convinced he had match point but I didn't have the volume up that loud (roommate sleeping) and I thought I must have missed a let or something, because it felt like more points had been played than the score was reflecting. Oh well, congrats to Nalbandian and a big :hug: to Safin.

It really did seem that way. After David's first challenge, I completely got confused on the score.

its.like.that
10-20-2006, 04:21 PM
As far as I'm aware, if the challenge rules are the same as those on clay, you are allowed to play one shot before challenging the call.

bellascarlett
10-20-2006, 04:23 PM
I was so confused. I was convinced he had match point but I didn't have the volume up that loud (roommate sleeping) and I thought I must have missed a let or something, because it felt like more points had been played than the score was reflecting. Oh well, congrats to Nalbandian and a big :hug: to Safin.

Me and my brother were both confused as hell... It should have been 40-15 but then 30-30?????

If it's proven that the umpire fucked up, my god that old guy should be fired.

This is so frustrating...:sad:

Hendu
10-20-2006, 04:23 PM
Nalbandian is pathetic...Marat played a match where he had almost 75 unforced errors!!!!!! And still barely won...

And the umpire completely messed up at 6-5 in the third...Nalbandian played the serve at 6-5, and only after the ball landed out did he attempt to challenge...Yes, the serve was out, but he played the ball...It should have been 40-15 because, according to my understanding, he should not have been able to challenge the serve after playing the point!!!

These umpires need to understand what the rules are...And then, the umpire seemed to be calling out the wrong score...what a crock for a match at this level!!!:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

:eek:

The serve was out, Nalbandian hit the return, and then asked for the machine to do its work.

There is nothing wrong with that. Its not like the game went on.

Nalbandian returned the serve... what did you expect him to do? to pull the racket away?

Voo de Mar
10-20-2006, 04:24 PM
...Wait, what? Did that really happen? I was thinking that, too, but then I thought there was some overrule that changed it around. Did the referee botch up the score, or was it due to the challenges?

"Leading 5-2, Gaudio served from the wrong side of the court and won the point, giving him four set points.
Nalbandian pointed out the mistake to the umpire and spoke to the tournament referee after Gaudio had taken the set but to no avail."

news.bbc.co.u

croat123
10-20-2006, 04:24 PM
If he only returned the serve and did not play further, indicated he wants to stup and did not try to reach the next shot, this was within the rules because "stopping play" does not mean you may not touch the ball anymore. Same practice as stopping play on clay to have a mark checked.

he only challenged it after the return was called out

marcelwks
10-20-2006, 04:25 PM
Safin's dive in match against Nalbandian
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvSOok5J-mE

very spactacular

s.m.
10-20-2006, 04:26 PM
grillotti let nalbandian challenge 2 of safin´s serves
once he played the whole point, once he played the ball
and than he dosen´t overulle a basline call which was clearly on the line
umpires are becoming sloppy
they don´t get the rules, ot they are just dumb

safinalium
10-20-2006, 04:26 PM
nalbandian didn't deserve to win the match. :sad: :sad: :sad: safin played so awful and still nalbandian was waiting for him to make a mistake and didn't attack. miserable. anyway, safin showed that even with 100 unforced errors, he still can be a danger for every top seeded player. then we can only imagine what'll happen if he had a day. keep on fighting marat, cause you aren't like any other player in the world, you're special. :hug: :hug: :hug:

Nalbandian!!!
10-20-2006, 04:26 PM
:worship: safin was robbed today
grillotti should leave after this pathetic display
and take your bald buddie with you

Oh poor Ljubo .... no more number 3 for him!:wavey:


Instead of whinning accept the fact : David Nalbandian is a fantastic Tennis Player.:worship: :worship: :worship:

VAMOS DAVID !

TMJordan
10-20-2006, 04:26 PM
:sad:

atheneglaukopis
10-20-2006, 04:28 PM
It really did seem that way. After David's first challenge, I completely got confused on the score.

Me and my brother were both confused as hell... It should have been 40-15 but then 30-30?????

If it's proven that the umpire fucked up, my god that old guy should be fired.

This is so frustrating...:sad:This needs to be put on YouTube.

its.like.that
10-20-2006, 04:28 PM
he only challenged it after the return was called out

Doesn't matter. You're allowed 1 shot.

LocoPorElTenis
10-20-2006, 04:29 PM
Safin's dive in match against Nalbandian
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvSOok5J-mE

very spactacular

:worship:

Hendu
10-20-2006, 04:29 PM
he only challenged it after the return was called out

:lol:

And what did you want him to do???

to tell the umpire to use the hawkeye, when the ball was still in the air???

Thats just impossible to do.

It was a fast serve and a fast return.

artlinkletter
10-20-2006, 04:29 PM
nalbandian didn't deserve to win the match. :sad: :sad: :sad: safin played so awful and still nalbandian was waiting for him to make a mistake and didn't attack. miserable. anyway, safin showed that even with 100 unforced errors, he still can be a danger for every top seeded player. then we can only imagine what'll happen if he had a day. keep on fighting marat, cause you aren't like any other player in the world, you're special. :hug: :hug: :hug:

Regardless of how he won, at the end of the day, he won. He did what he had to do to win and thus, deserved it. Every winner did something or another to deserve it.

its.like.that
10-20-2006, 04:29 PM
Nice win by David, but it will remain clouded.

its.like.that
10-20-2006, 04:32 PM
Regardless of how he won, at the end of the day, he won. He did what he had to do to win and thus, deserved it. Every winner did something or another to deserve it.

Not necessarily.

What if Marat had had a heart attack on court, or if somebody had shot Marat, would that be a deserving win to Nalbandian?

artlinkletter
10-20-2006, 04:32 PM
Doesn't matter. You're allowed 1 shot.

I have a question. Say you are in the middle of a rally and your opponent hits what you think is a long ball but it's not called out, so you decide to continue playing to be safe. You return the ball and your opponent's next hit is an outright winner. Can you go on to challenge that ball that you thought was out?

Julio1974
10-20-2006, 04:33 PM
grillotti let nalbandian challenge 2 of safin´s serves
once he played the whole point, once he played the ball
and than he dosen´t overulle a basline call which was clearly on the line
umpires are becoming sloppy
they don´t get the rules, ot they are just dumb

:haha: :haha: :haha:

I understand your frustation, really. First, you were very skeptical about Bennetau but suddenly he was serving for match and you couldn't believe your luck. But he failed. Then, you were cheering for Tim to do it and he was so damm close. But he failed too. Then, you thought "Marat is gonna do it, he always beat this fat bastard". And when Marat was serving for match you were already jumping. And then, it happened again. David fought back and the whining Croat cannot believe it. Good luck tomorrow with Roger. He'll probably beat David.

artlinkletter
10-20-2006, 04:33 PM
Not necessarily.

What if Marat had had a heart attack on court, or if somebody had shot Marat, would that be a deserving win to Nalbandian?

Oh you know what I meant!:p

Hendu
10-20-2006, 04:34 PM
nalbandian didn't deserve to win the match. :sad: :sad: :sad: safin played so awful and still nalbandian was waiting for him to make a mistake and didn't attack. miserable. anyway, safin showed that even with 100 unforced errors, he still can be a danger for every top seeded player. then we can only imagine what'll happen if he had a day. keep on fighting marat, cause you aren't like any other player in the world, you're special. :hug: :hug: :hug:

Nalbandian served for the match in the second set.

Had a match point in the tie break of the second set (Safin served an ace).

Won with a big deference the tie break of the third set.

Nalbandian was up in the scores the whole match.

Nalbandian attacked a lot, and was the better player in this match, as the result shows.

Voo de Mar
10-20-2006, 04:34 PM
I don't know what is with the rules...

Gaudio served to Nalbandian from the wrong side of the court and won the point.
Safin served to Nalbandian from the wrong side of the court and won the same point second time!

This is ridiculous! :mad:

allblue
10-20-2006, 04:34 PM
I hope someone can have the 6-5 game recorded and put it on Youtube. The game is over, but I wanted to know what happened...

Safin_Lova
10-20-2006, 04:35 PM
Nalbandian got lucky in the thrid set when marat was serving for the match, besides marat wasnt even playing 100%- how many errors did he make?
and he still served for the match.
Yes nalbandian is a good player , but safin is far better than him ( sorry nalbandian fans)- david just barley won this match with marat making many mistakes. Besides marats not even in full form yet, can you imagine if he was? he would have killed nalbandian like he has done many times already- pitty, marat was so close to winning and didnt even have to do much just hit 75 errors.
Good luck marat your getting there , all these close matches, his gotta win some day.

fadou
10-20-2006, 04:37 PM
i watched the match whitch was so frustating for my nerves
the last set was just incredible and i didn't understand nalbandian who didn't say the marat ball was "in" (like roddick did against verdasco) because this ball was clearly OK ( i think this umpire deserve some glasses after this match)

it's really sad because safin should won this match (in my opinion)

Hendu
10-20-2006, 04:40 PM
Nalbandian got lucky in the thrid set when marat was serving for the match, besides marat wasnt even playing 100%- how many errors did he make?
and he still served for the match.
Yes nalbandian is a good player , but safin is far better than him ( sorry nalbandian fans)- david just barley won this match with marat making many mistakes. Besides marats not even in full form yet, can you imagine if he was? he would have killed nalbandian like he has done many times already- pitty, marat was so close to winning and didnt even have to do much just hit 75 errors.
Good luck marat your getting there , all these close matches, his gotta win some day.

Just imagine if Fernando Gonzalez didn't miss... he would be unbeatable.

Putting the ball in is part of being a great player. Nalbandian puts them in.

fadou
10-20-2006, 04:41 PM
Nalbandian served for the match in the second set.

Had a match point in the tie break of the second set (Safin served an ace).

Won with a big deference the tie break of the third set.

Nalbandian was up in the scores the whole match.

Nalbandian attacked a lot, and was the better player in this match, as the result shows.

i won't say safin deserved this match
but i'm sorry, safin made 76 UE and they played both 3 sets during 3 hours so that 's proving that nalbandian didn't deserve this match also :o

Sakura 0101
10-20-2006, 04:43 PM
I like Safin too !!!!
but...... some of Safin fans in here are ........:retard:

gillian
10-20-2006, 04:48 PM
This result is just.....upsetting.

Nalbandian!!!
10-20-2006, 04:49 PM
I like Safin too !!!!
but...... some of Safin fans in here are ........:retard:

They can´t accept David is a FANTASTIC tennis player.

Let them cry , they voted for benneteau and BANG , the they voted Henman and BANG again , then Marat and BANG BANG BANG...........

David is Again the Number 3 in the world , deservedly. And they cant change that fact.

Keep whining !

Vamos David !

safinalium
10-20-2006, 04:50 PM
Nalbandian served for the match in the second set.

Had a match point in the tie break of the second set (Safin served an ace).

Won with a big deference the tie break of the third set.

Nalbandian was up in the scores the whole match.

Nalbandian attacked a lot, and was the better player in this match, as the result shows.
Nalbandian won because Safin gave him the victory. He didn't win because he played great but because Safin played bad. If the person in front of you has a forhand of a boy which touches a tennis raquet for the first time, it should have been easy for Nalb to win in 2 sets but still Safin served for the match.

i don't want to excuse MARAT but you cannot give all the credit to Nalbandian. He wasn't a real winner on the court (and i'm not talking about the results).

*Viva Chile*
10-20-2006, 04:52 PM
Bad loss for Marat IMO :o I've never expected that he will lose to Nalbandian.

Always losing to a player that you owned will be always a bad lose. At least the score shows that it was a pretty close match.

Go your fourth crown in Paris, Marat ;)

safinalium
10-20-2006, 04:54 PM
Regardless of how he won, at the end of the day, he won. He did what he had to do to win and thus, deserved it. Every winner did something or another to deserve it.
sometimes tennis is more than just results and statistic. at least i consider it in that way. safin proved that he has a heart which gave him the power to win the second set. and i'm proud of the way he fought even though he played so bad.

Fed-Express
10-20-2006, 04:55 PM
Lol, these excuses are ridiculous and pathetic. Stop being so immature and accept the result, your man lost, period. I am sure he would not talk such rubbish as he knows, what a great player Nalbandian is.
He, Safin and Federer are widely regarded as the most talented top players and all have beaten each other numerous times. This time Nalby was the better man, so stop crying.

Hendu
10-20-2006, 04:58 PM
Nalbandian won because Safin gave him the victory. He didn't win because he played great but because Safin played bad. If the person in front of you has a forhand of a boy which touches a tennis raquet for the first time, it should have been easy for Nalb to win in 2 sets but still Safin served for the match.

i don't want to excuse MARAT but you cannot give all the credit to Nalbandian. He wasn't a real winner on the court (and i'm not talking about the results).

Safin made lots of errors. But served very well, thats why it was a close match.

Nalbandian was the better player and won deservedly.

Voo de Mar
10-20-2006, 05:00 PM
Nalbandian trailed in the third set 2-5 with Benneteau, 3-5 with Henman and 5-6 with Safin. And I think Argentinian was two points away from defeat with Benneteau & Safin. Impressive performance.

Nalbandian!!!
10-20-2006, 05:03 PM
Lol, these excuses are ridiculous and pathetic. Stop being so immature and accept the result, your man lost, period. I am sure he would not talk such rubbish as he know, what a great player Nalbandian is.
He, Safin and Federer are widely regarded as the most talented top players and all have beaten each other numerous times. This time Nalby was the better man, so stop crying.
:bigclap: :bigclap: :bigclap:

fco253
10-20-2006, 05:05 PM
I was taping the game for my brother and I have just rewatched that game...

This is what happened at 6-5 in the 3rd set:

Marat served, attacked, to the net, long lob from David: 15-0
Lost ball Marat, 15-15
Ace Marat 30-15
Till here, all normal... David had 1 challenge left ... Marat, none (burned last few moments before)

Marat served a deep, close 2nd serve, Davis missed the return and challenged the serve (which he is allowed, so in this Grilloti was right).

The serve was indeed quite long (horrible no call), so 30-30. But TV scoreboard is stuck at 30-15.

Marat misses 1st serve, hits an open Ace with his 2nd, 40-30, but TV scoreboard still frozen... So Marat had a MP, that won't stay on record.

Marat serves there is a rally, and Marat hits a ball right on the line, linesman calls it out (horrible call), Marat couldn't challenge, so the call stays and is 40-40 (it wasn't GSM, the point should have been played again at 40-30)

At that moment, I can't hear Grilloti's score but TV shows 30-30 instead of 40-40.

There is a rally, David comes to the net, Marat plays BH DTL passing that looked out, but very close... no call at first ... David shouts, and either Grilloti (it was on his side) or the linewoman rectify and call the ball out ... TV shows it was indeed out .. and Grilloti says 30-40 so he makes the wrong score official ...

David wins the next point, breaks, and the rest is history...


Grilloti shouldn't umpire anymore, he is lazy, and often wrong ... and linesmen are making horrible mistakes...

oz_boz
10-20-2006, 05:06 PM
Dammit :( but props to Nalby. I think he's in killer mood right now. Mabye we'll finally get to see the awaited Nadal-Nalby clash.

kuniochi
10-20-2006, 05:07 PM
OK, statistics says Marat has one double fault in the 3rd set. And he made it in the Tiebreak. :rolleyes:

oz_boz
10-20-2006, 05:09 PM
Don't bother the wrong calls, they're part of the game (although it's sad when they appear often and at crucial moments). What is really bad is that the umpire got the score wrong. Anyway it seems as if didn't affect the number of balls played; 30-30 and deuce are effectually the same score.

Voo de Mar
10-20-2006, 05:10 PM
Grilloti shouldn't umpire anymore, he is lazy, and often wrong ...

Right! He is old. It's time to retire :D

Ales_Alessandra
10-20-2006, 05:10 PM
Well!! A huge discussion going on!! I haven't seen the match, but from what I heard it seems that both players had their moments during the match, each one of them had a opportunity to win the match. Therefore I believe that none of them played at 100% and other factors were important, saying that lucky was the main one. It seems that both fighted until the last and at end one had to win! Congrats to David and congrats to Marat both did great considering that both weren't that good lately. And that is ok, now it is 6/2 to Marat, 1/1 this year, December if it happen it will be the decisive match!!
Well I bet on Marat of course!!! :p :)

Nalbandian!!!
10-20-2006, 05:11 PM
please STOP crying.

:wavey:

GlennMirnyi
10-20-2006, 05:11 PM
That's absurd!!! Marat was cheated! :rolleyes:

edit: as people can't understand sarcastic remarks without the smilie, I put it now.

GlennMirnyi
10-20-2006, 05:12 PM
please STOP crying.

:wavey:

You will cry tomorrow, don't worry! :haha:

Julio1974
10-20-2006, 05:13 PM
We don't worry. We are celebrating !!!!!

Broomie
10-20-2006, 05:13 PM
Marat was struggling so much today... :o
By the beginning of the 2nd set, I was thinking: "he's playing like crap! he doesn't deserve to win because his tennis is so poor"
But Marat did something he usually doesn't do: he fought through a bad day. The funny part is he almost won!!
I don't care about marat losing now as long as he wins in the DC :cool:

Congrats to Nalby for keeping his head together in that last TB, something marat did not manage to do.
Unluckily the mess at 6-5 happened, but maybe it will make them understand that if the video is used, it should be used at any crucial point then, not just when you have calls left. :banghead: (and they're not just against marat, the line judges were so bad in that match , it was weird :eek: )

Nalby deserved to win :bowdown: , Safin, with his 74 UE suffered on the court to get to a 3rd set, good for him too :bigclap: .
Just keep the good work Marat, you have to make these bad days a little better, because boy, they are dismal!

Dancing Hero
10-20-2006, 05:13 PM
Well, I don't know about the guys who got it wrong, but I had Nalbandian down to win. :cool:


:devil: :wavey:

atheneglaukopis
10-20-2006, 05:13 PM
I was taping the game for my brother and I have just rewatched that game...

This is what happened at 6-5 in the 3rd set:

Marat served, attacked, to the net, long lob from David: 15-0
Lost ball Marat, 15-15
Ace Marat 30-15
Till here, all normal... David had 1 challenge left ... Marat, none (burned last few moments before)

Marat served a deep, close 2nd serve, Davis missed the return and challenged the serve (which he is allowed, so in this Grilloti was right).

The serve was indeed quite long (horrible no call), so 30-30. But TV scoreboard is stuck at 30-15.

Marat misses 1st serve, hits an open Ace with his 2nd, 40-30, but TV scoreboard still frozen... So Marat had a MP, that won't stay on record.

Marat serves there is a rally, and Marat hits a ball right on the line, linesman calls it out (horrible call), Marat couldn't challenge, so the call stays and is 40-40 (it wasn't GSM, the point should have been played again at 40-30)

At that moment, I can't hear Grilloti's score but TV shows 30-30 instead of 40-40.

There is a rally, David comes to the net, Marat plays BH DTL passing that looked out, but very close... no call at first ... David shouts, and either Grilloti (it was on his side) or the linewoman rectify and call the ball out ... TV shows it was indeed out .. and Grilloti says 30-40 so he makes the wrong score official ...

David wins the next point, breaks, and the rest is history...


Grilloti shouldn't umpire anymore, he is lazy, and often wrong ... and linesmen are making horrible mistakes...Okay, thank you.

allblue
10-20-2006, 05:14 PM
I see. Thank you FCO 253, that was very helpful.

hanabishi
10-20-2006, 05:14 PM
Thanks for this play-by-play. I watched that game, and it left me confused about what was happening.

Mistakes do happen in tennis, and Nalbandian was within his rights to challenge. It wasn't his fault that the umpire and the linespeople made several mistakes. Thus, Nalby did deserve to win that match.

However, here's a question I'd like to ask everyone (this does NOT apply to the Safin-Nalby match). Suppose a player (Player A) lost a point where he is at match point where the call was obviously wrong (based on TV replays). The two players then continue the match and eventually, Player B wins the match. Could Player A hypothetically challenge the result later, if all the TV replays would show that he deserved to win the match on that match point, but was a victim of a wrong call? Your thoughts on this...?

LocoPorElTenis
10-20-2006, 05:15 PM
Thanks for the clear explanation!

The umpire was awful but it's clear David used his challenges a lot more wisely than Marat. Props to him in this hawkeye times.

Hendu
10-20-2006, 05:15 PM
That's absurd!!! Marat was cheated!

You crossed the line, my friend.

You are not annoying anymore. You are funny.

:D

atheneglaukopis
10-20-2006, 05:16 PM
Thanks for this play-by-play. I watched that game, and it left me confused about what was happening.

Mistakes do happen in tennis, and Nalbandian was within his rights to challenge. It wasn't his fault that the umpire and the linespeople made several mistakes.

However, here's a question I'd like to ask everyone. Suppose a player (Player A) lost a point where he is at match point where the call was obviously wrong (based on TV replays). The two players then continue the match and eventually, Player B wins the match. Could Player A hypothetically challenge the result later, if all the TV replays would show that he deserved to win the match on that match point, but was a victim of a wrong call? Your thoughts on this...?Probably A'll be lucky to get an apology ten years later. :rolleyes:

GlennMirnyi
10-20-2006, 05:16 PM
You crossed the line, my friend.

You are not annoying anymore. You are funny.

:D

I forgot the :rolleyes: on that one....;)

ChinoRios4Ever
10-20-2006, 05:19 PM
ROMANO GRILLOTTI IS THE WORST UMPIRE EVER :mad:

MarieS
10-20-2006, 05:19 PM
please STOP crying.

:wavey:

If Nalbandian can cry about getting cheated out of a first serve in a match that he fuckin' won, why can't we whine about Marat getting cheated out of a SF berth and 7 ranking spots?

Broomie
10-20-2006, 05:21 PM
Thanks for this play-by-play. I watched that game, and it left me confused about what was happening.

Mistakes do happen in tennis, and Nalbandian was within his rights to challenge. It wasn't his fault that the umpire and the linespeople made several mistakes. Thus, Nalby did deserve to win that match.

However, here's a question I'd like to ask everyone (this does NOT apply to the Safin-Nalby match). Suppose a player (Player A) lost a point where he is at match point where the call was obviously wrong (based on TV replays). The two players then continue the match and eventually, Player B wins the match. Could Player A hypothetically challenge the result later, if all the TV replays would show that he deserved to win the match on that match point, but was a victim of a wrong call? Your thoughts on this...?
It won't change anything, it's happened in the past, and there is nothing to do about it.
If marat is frustrated over something, it should be his play of today (even though he had some fantastic shots).

Both players were screwed in that match. Marat was just screwed at the wrong moment.

But Grillotti, well...

GlennMirnyi
10-20-2006, 05:21 PM
If Nalbandian can cry about getting cheated out of a first serve in a match that he fuckin' won, why can't we whine about Marat getting cheated out of a SF berth and 7 ranking spots?

Nalbandian never whines, and we are always wrong. That is the mindset of the "hugeDavetard". Get used to it.

fco253
10-20-2006, 05:22 PM
That's absurd!!! Marat was cheated!

In a strict sense, no, he wasn't cheated ... the score was wrong but it didn't affected either player

There was one bad line call against him, which used to happen a lot to all players before hawkeye, but he run out of challenges in a previous ball in the 3rd set he shouldn't have, because it was cleary out...

BTW, there was another controversial play in a tight moment in the 2nd, when Marat dived at net and his racket touched net between the 1st and second touch on the floor, so he should have lost the point, but didn't (another bad mistake of Grilloti)...

It was a close match that could go either way, the things that should be worked on are Grilloti's continuous lame performances and the huge number of times David and Marat challenged calls and were right...

LocoPorElTenis
10-20-2006, 05:24 PM
In a strict sense, no, he wasn't cheated ... the score was wrong but it didn't affected either player

There was one bad line call against him, which used to happen a lot to all players before hawkeye, but he run out of challenges in a previous ball in the 3rd set he shouldn't have, because it was cleary out...

BTW, there was another controversial play in a tight moment in the 2nd, when Marat dived at net and his racket touched net between the 1st and second touch on the floor, so he should have lost the point, but didn't (another bad mistake of Grilloti)...

It was a close match that could go either way, the things that should be worked on are Grilloti's continuous lame performances and the huge number of times David and Marat challenged calls and were right...

fco253, thank you for bringing some balance and sanity to MTF. Unfortunately most people here can't see a fact even with a 10000X magnifier. It's all prejudice and hate. Sad.

MarieS
10-20-2006, 05:24 PM
Nalbandian never whines, and we are always wrong. That is the mindset of the "hugeDavetard". Get used to it.

I'll keep that in mind :lol:.

kuniochi
10-20-2006, 05:25 PM
I don't know why there is only one DF in the statistics then...if it was 30-30 it means a DF. :rolleyes:

MarieS
10-20-2006, 05:27 PM
In a strict sense, no, he wasn't cheated ... the score was wrong but it didn't affected either player

I didn't see the match, but from what I understand he hit a winning shot on a MP but it was called out. How is that not getting cheated out of the match?

GlennMirnyi
10-20-2006, 05:27 PM
In a strict sense, no, he wasn't cheated ... the score was wrong but it didn't affected either player

There was one bad line call against him, which used to happen a lot to all players before hawkeye, but he run out of challenges in a previous ball in the 3rd set he shouldn't have, because it was cleary out...

BTW, there was another controversial play in a tight moment in the 2nd, when Marat dived at net and his racket touched net between the 1st and second touch on the floor, so he should have lost the point, but didn't (another bad mistake of Grilloti)...

It was a close match that could go either way, the things that should be worked on are Grilloti's continuous lame performances and the huge number of times David and Marat challenged calls and were right...

I told in another post I forgot the :rolleyes:

artlinkletter
10-20-2006, 05:30 PM
I didn't see the match, but from what I understand he hit a winning shot on a MP but it was called out. How is that not getting cheated out of the match?

I think it was called in and David challlenged and showed that it was long.

Ales_Alessandra
10-20-2006, 05:34 PM
Well looks like it was pretty bad indeed!! Our TV that are broadcasting the MASTERS will show the whole game again after Federer's match. I'll finally see what happened and let's see what they will say about!!! :eek:

GlennMirnyi
10-20-2006, 05:35 PM
They will show the game again on TV now and I'll make a clinical observation. The commentary here is that there was a mistake in counting.

hanabishi
10-20-2006, 05:35 PM
I didn't see the match, but from what I understand he hit a winning shot on a MP but it was called out. How is that not getting cheated out of the match?

It was a match point, and it was a bad call, but it wasn't a winning shot.
Had Safin had another challenge remaining, they would have replayed the point.

tripb19
10-20-2006, 05:37 PM
I love how a few months ago everyone was saying how bad it would be if a player had challenges, now the problem is when a player is stranded with no challenges.

atheneglaukopis
10-20-2006, 05:41 PM
It was a match point, and it was a bad call, but it wasn't a winning shot.
Had Safin had another challenge remaining, they would have replayed the point.Ah, but if it hadn't been called out in the first place...who knows. But silly to argue about that; line judges do make mistakes--I wouldn't want to be one--and that's why players should have recourse to Hawkeye, regardless of their previous use of it. I said this before it cost Safin, I said it when the challenge system was first implemented, and I will still say it the day it works in his favor. On clay this wouldn't have happened.

MarieS
10-20-2006, 05:44 PM
It was a match point, and it was a bad call, but it wasn't a winning shot.
Had Safin had another challenge remaining, they would have replayed the point.

forget hawkeye, :shrug: he was cheated out of it by the linesperson. Look, I'm not trying to take away anything from Nalby, because obviously after that call it was deuce and marat still had a chance to serve it out. It's just heartbreaking to see him lose like this after the abysmal season he's had.

Natasc
10-20-2006, 05:46 PM
The whole thing is:

when SAFIN HAD THE MP, if he knew that was a MP
he would have chanllenger that call, thats for sure
in a MP he would, and once that the ball was IN
the judge would make him REPLAY the MP
and that my friends, could be a GSM (game, set and match) for MARAT SAFIN....

Ales_Alessandra
10-20-2006, 05:48 PM
Now I got the whole thing!! And despite not having influence on the result, it seems that, according to our commentors, Marat didn't know he was playing match point, thus, didn't ask for hawkeye at the moment, when the ball was in and he coudl win! So it had a influence on Marat's atitude. To bad that it happen!! Marat could win it, like Roger won yesterday against Soderling. Now, the way they said Marat still had a challange, now who watch the match, is that true?
Tks!!

Broomie
10-20-2006, 05:49 PM
The whole thing is:

when SAFIN HAD THE MP, if he knew that was a MP
he would have chanllenger that call, thats for sure
in a MP he would, and once that the ball was IN
the judge would make him REPLAY the MP
and that my friends, could be a GSM (game, set and match) for MARAT SAFIN....
But he didn't have any challenge left, he wasted them before

tripb19
10-20-2006, 05:49 PM
Congrats Nalby you loveable fatarse.

Broomie
10-20-2006, 05:50 PM
Now I got the whole thing!! And despite not having influence on the result, it seems that, according to our commentors, Marat didn't know he was playing match point, thus, didn't ask for hawkeye at the moment, when the ball was in and he coudl win! So it had a influence on Marat's atitude. To bad that it happen!! Marat could win it, like Roger won yesterday against Soderling. Now, the way they said Marat still had a challange, now who watch the match, is that true?
Tks!!
I repeat, he didn't have any challenge left...
But it's true he might not have known it was a match point, not that it would have change much...

GlennMirnyi
10-20-2006, 05:51 PM
Ok, here is what just happened. I wrote it down.
6/5 Safin serving for the match.
1st point: 15-0 -- Nalbandian misses a lob
2nd point: 15-15 -- long BH from Safin
3rd point: 30-15 -- ace
4th point: 30-30 -- 1st serve fault -- Nalbandian challenges 2nd serve, out
The score isn't changed...
5th point: 40-30 -- ace on 3nd serve for Safin
NOW, GRILOTTI SAYS 30-15 when Marat is serving. Marat didn't know it was a MP.
6th point: 40-40 -- linesman call Safin's BH out, graphic shows in. The commentator recalls Safin would have challenged if he knew that it was MP.
7th point: 40-ad -- BH down the line out
8th point: Nalbandian breaks.

Man, that is WTA stuff. I hope Grilotti is punished.

GlennMirnyi
10-20-2006, 05:53 PM
I repeat, he didn't have any challenge left...
But it's true he might not have known it was a match point, not that it would have change much...

If you think that a player not knowing when he's playing a MP makes no difference, you have never played tennis.

bluefork
10-20-2006, 05:54 PM
This match makes me want unlimited challenges. The challenge system is in place because we don't want matches decided by bad calls. But is it really any better that a match could be decided simply because a player's challenges are used up? I know that maybe it's Safin's fault for wasting his challenges before this game, but at the end of the day, a tennis match is about who wins the points, not who uses their challenges most strategically.

Anyone else in favor of unlimited challenges?

Natasc
10-20-2006, 05:54 PM
Now I got the whole thing!! And despite not having influence on the result, it seems that, according to our commentors, Marat didn't know he was playing match point, thus, didn't ask for hawkeye at the moment, when the ball was in and he coudl win! So it had a influence on Marat's atitude. To bad that it happen!! Marat could win it, like Roger won yesterday against Soderling. Now, the way they said Marat still had a challange, now who watch the match, is that true?
Tks!!

exactly!!
if the commentators noted the count error...I dont think that they would make a mystake about the challengers thing....

and PS guys, lets be real, WHAT THE F*&K THAT LINE GUY WAS DOING THERE?!
he got any call right? at least one?!
jeez!! someone shoot him please!! :o

Flibbertigibbet
10-20-2006, 05:55 PM
It's true that if he did have a challenge and it was a match point, it would have made a difference, but in this case, I'm pretty sure Marat didn't have any challenges left. And yes, unlimited challenges might be good - or at least have the umpire use it as well?

GlennMirnyi
10-20-2006, 05:56 PM
This match makes me want unlimited challenges. The challenge system is in place because we don't want matches decided by bad calls. But is it really any better that a match could be decided simply because a player's challenges are used up? I know that maybe it's Safin's fault for wasting his challenges before this game, but at the end of the day, a tennis match is about who wins the points, not who uses their challenges most strategically.

Anyone else in favor of unlimited challenges?

I'm against any kind of challenge. Unlimited challenges would disrupt the game and limited challenges have the problems you observed.

gulzhan
10-20-2006, 05:57 PM
Ok, here is what just happened. I wrote it down.
6/5 Safin serving for the match.
1st point: 15-0 -- Nalbandian misses a lob
2nd point: 15-15 -- long BH from Safin
3rd point: 30-15 -- ace
4th point: 30-30 -- 1st serve fault -- Nalbandian challenges 2nd serve, out
The score isn't changed...
5th point: 40-30 -- ace on 3nd serve for Safin
NOW, GRILOTTI SAYS 30-15 when Marat is serving. Marat didn't know it was a MP.
6th point: 40-40 -- linesman call Safin's BH out, graphic shows in. The commentator recalls Safin would have challenged if he knew that it was MP.
7th point: 40-ad -- BH down the line out
8th point: Nalbandian breaks.



Perfect, Gustavo! :yeah: Thanks for accurate report! :)

I only think Safin knew it was a mp, because he did go to the net for hand-shake... :sad: IT WAS THE WORST!!!!!!! :crying2: I don't know if he had a challenge left or not, but he did not do the challenge, he was lost, maybe felt embarrassed, maybe thought missed time for the challenge, no idea! :mad: I can't even imagine how a player feels after such a loss...

hanabishi
10-20-2006, 05:58 PM
This match makes me want unlimited challenges. The challenge system is in place because we don't want matches decided by bad calls. But is it really any better that a match could be decided simply because a player's challenges are used up? I know that maybe it's Safin's fault for wasting his challenges before this game, but at the end of the day, a tennis match is about who wins the points, not who uses their challenges most strategically.

Anyone else in favor of unlimited challenges?

Well said, bluefork. Yup, I'm in favor of unlimited challenges. Granted, we'll see a lot of players completely wasting everyone's time by challenging every other call, but then, at the end of the day, it will only ruin his reputation if he does this.

At the end of the day, I would rather see a tennis match where calls are decided accurately, even if it means a lot of challenges.

Flibbertigibbet
10-20-2006, 05:59 PM
I'm against any kind of challenge. Unlimited challenges would disrupt the game and limited challenges have the problems you observed.

Well, don't you technically have unlimited challenges on clay courts? And this is faster. Though I could see it being misused - perhaps the umpire should have it, and use it at his discretion?

Ales_Alessandra
10-20-2006, 06:03 PM
Well, the umpire just made a horrible work! ATP should be aware of it and send him for some training!!

GlennMirnyi
10-20-2006, 06:04 PM
Well, don't you technically have unlimited challenges on clay courts? And this is faster. Though I could see it being misused - perhaps the umpire should have it, and use it at his discretion?

Things are different in a clay court, because the linesman and the umpire can see the match, even during play.

hanabishi
10-20-2006, 06:09 PM
Here's Marat Press Conference, and while he seemed disappointed with the bad calls, he doesn't seem to be that upset about it. Kudos to him for having a mature attitude about this.

Press Conference of Marat Safin
Madrid, 20th October


Q. You fight back, but it was not enough. How frustrating is it?
MARAT SAFIN: Well, I'm actually more happy than frustrated because it's already my fifth week. I've been playing some great matches, a lot of matches, a lot of three‑set matches. And of course out there I was completely flat. And in order to defeat players like Nalbandian, you have to be 100 percent fit and strong. Even though I had my chances, it didn't work my way. The referee made a couple of mistakes, and I didn't have any challenges left. I heard they were both in the last game they were in. The thought was upsetting with me, but what can I do. I'm pretty happy. My situation was much worse months ago. I was 104, now I am fighting into the Top30.

Q. That was the third match in a row your opponent has been serving for the match and he increased his level markedly toward the end, didn't he?
MARAT SAFIN: Him?

Q. Yes.
MARAT SAFIN: He didn't serve many first serves. But it's excuses, but still it's a lot has to do with paying attention to even though you can't just deal with the HawkEye without paying attention and making over rules. Even though the balls were in and I heard about it, and unfortunately it's sad, but I don't think it really matters right now. But of course ; so what's the story here? It's a little bit disappointing. Nalbandian, he kept his mind on the court, and he was calm during the whole match. He had his chances. I had my chances. He was a little bit luckier at the end. That's how it is. I cannot say that he raised his level. He was just there. I made a couple of mistakes and let it slip away.

Q. You did seem to get your act together about halfway through the match. And you seemed to improve a lot after that. We thought that you mentally improved a lot through the course of that match?
MARAT SAFIN: But also I don't have a lot of energy left, so I cannot just be shouting and discussing with everybody. There were a lot of things really pissed me off today, but I tried to stay calm. Of course it's tough. But like I said, five weeks in a row is difficult to keep the energy. So you need to save on anything you can and just keep yourself calm and whatever comes, comes.

Q. I'm not updated with your coaching status these days. We talked about the situation with your coach after the U.S. Open. You've been with Sasha. What is your coaching status these days?
MARAT SAFIN: We decided to work with Sasha until the end of the year, and then I'll see was going to happen next year. I don't know. I definitely don't want to travel with 100 percent coach during all the weeks because it's a little bit tough. Especially I'm not 19;20 years old who needs the babysitter and somebody to bring the rackets and the sandwiches. It's somebody to come with me for 20 weeks to the most important tournaments and travel with the fitness coach and make it a little easier. I think that will be the better situation for me.

Q. How do you rate your level of game right now overall?
MARAT SAFIN: It's much better. Like I said I've been struggling all the year. It looked like nothing was going my way. I lost a lot of matches 7‑6 in the last set. And it was pretty disappointing. But I was fighting. My situation was even worse. Before the U.S. Open. I was 104 in the world, right now I'm fighting to get into the Top‑30. It's a pretty good situation. I managed to have make all these points in the last four and a half months. I hope I can be seeded in the Australian Open. I'm just hoping for next year. For this year I'm not expecting anything anymore.

Q. Are you going to play Bercy?
MARAT SAFIN: Of course.

Q. But you need a wild card?
MARAT SAFIN: No.

Q. You're in?
MARAT SAFIN: Protect.

Q. Davis Cup Finals, are you going to play the Argentineans? Do you think about it during the course of this match? And will the surface be faster than this one?
MARAT SAFIN: No. It's going to be the same because Nalbandian, he beat me today doesn't mean anything. It's still 6;2 for me. I had so many chances, if I were fresher, I would have won in two sets without any problems. I'd like to play against him. He's a very comfortable player for me. It's going to be as fast as here. And I think we have pretty good chances. Hopefully the other players will be in good shape, me and Davydenko. I hope I can continue the same way for another two months so not to lose my game, even though that Europe is finishing in two weeks.

hanabishi
10-20-2006, 06:11 PM
Here's Marat Press Conference, and while he seemed disappointed with the bad calls, he doesn't seem to be that upset about it. Kudos to him for having a mature attitude about this.

Press Conference of Marat Safin
Madrid, 20th October


Q. You fight back, but it was not enough. How frustrating is it?
MARAT SAFIN: Well, I'm actually more happy than frustrated because it's already my fifth week. I've been playing some great matches, a lot of matches, a lot of three‑set matches. And of course out there I was completely flat. And in order to defeat players like Nalbandian, you have to be 100 percent fit and strong. Even though I had my chances, it didn't work my way. The referee made a couple of mistakes, and I didn't have any challenges left. I heard they were both in the last game they were in. The thought was upsetting with me, but what can I do. I'm pretty happy. My situation was much worse months ago. I was 104, now I am fighting into the Top30.

Q. That was the third match in a row your opponent has been serving for the match and he increased his level markedly toward the end, didn't he?
MARAT SAFIN: Him?

Q. Yes.
MARAT SAFIN: He didn't serve many first serves. But it's excuses, but still it's a lot has to do with paying attention to even though you can't just deal with the HawkEye without paying attention and making over rules. Even though the balls were in and I heard about it, and unfortunately it's sad, but I don't think it really matters right now. But of course ; so what's the story here? It's a little bit disappointing. Nalbandian, he kept his mind on the court, and he was calm during the whole match. He had his chances. I had my chances. He was a little bit luckier at the end. That's how it is. I cannot say that he raised his level. He was just there. I made a couple of mistakes and let it slip away.

Q. You did seem to get your act together about halfway through the match. And you seemed to improve a lot after that. We thought that you mentally improved a lot through the course of that match?
MARAT SAFIN: But also I don't have a lot of energy left, so I cannot just be shouting and discussing with everybody. There were a lot of things really pissed me off today, but I tried to stay calm. Of course it's tough. But like I said, five weeks in a row is difficult to keep the energy. So you need to save on anything you can and just keep yourself calm and whatever comes, comes.

Q. I'm not updated with your coaching status these days. We talked about the situation with your coach after the U.S. Open. You've been with Sasha. What is your coaching status these days?
MARAT SAFIN: We decided to work with Sasha until the end of the year, and then I'll see was going to happen next year. I don't know. I definitely don't want to travel with 100 percent coach during all the weeks because it's a little bit tough. Especially I'm not 19;20 years old who needs the babysitter and somebody to bring the rackets and the sandwiches. It's somebody to come with me for 20 weeks to the most important tournaments and travel with the fitness coach and make it a little easier. I think that will be the better situation for me.

Q. How do you rate your level of game right now overall?
MARAT SAFIN: It's much better. Like I said I've been struggling all the year. It looked like nothing was going my way. I lost a lot of matches 7‑6 in the last set. And it was pretty disappointing. But I was fighting. My situation was even worse. Before the U.S. Open. I was 104 in the world, right now I'm fighting to get into the Top‑30. It's a pretty good situation. I managed to have make all these points in the last four and a half months. I hope I can be seeded in the Australian Open. I'm just hoping for next year. For this year I'm not expecting anything anymore.

Q. Are you going to play Bercy?
MARAT SAFIN: Of course.

Q. But you need a wild card?
MARAT SAFIN: No.

Q. You're in?
MARAT SAFIN: Protect.

Q. Davis Cup Finals, are you going to play the Argentineans? Do you think about it during the course of this match? And will the surface be faster than this one?
MARAT SAFIN: No. It's going to be the same because Nalbandian, he beat me today doesn't mean anything. It's still 6;2 for me. I had so many chances, if I were fresher, I would have won in two sets without any problems. I'd like to play against him. He's a very comfortable player for me. It's going to be as fast as here. And I think we have pretty good chances. Hopefully the other players will be in good shape, me and Davydenko. I hope I can continue the same way for another two months so not to lose my game, even though that Europe is finishing in two weeks.

Ales_Alessandra
10-20-2006, 06:18 PM
Thank you hanabishi!! :) I posted your post at Marat's forum.

Cervantes
10-20-2006, 06:24 PM
That was a really strange game.

First things first: was Nalbandian even allowed to challenge that 2nd serve on 30-15? It seemed to me he didn't stop play immediately and waited until his return was called out (also a very close call) to challenge the serve. :confused:

Second, what score did Grilotti call after David's challenge? Should have been 30-30, but what did he say?

Third, did Marat believe he won the match after serving that 2nd serve ace at 30-30? He was walking to the net for a moment I believe.

Fourth, why didn't the players know the correct score? That dumbass Italian might have called it wrong, but still I expect the players to know a little bit about the score as well. (Reminds me of that match Venus played at Wimbledon a couple years ago.)

And finally,Safin used his final challenge at 40-0 on Nalby's serve a couple of games before. Why why why? Maybe he deserved to lose the match the way he did after using up his challenges at such an unimportant moment.

Oh, and another one, in this tournament's evaluation they should fire all linespersons cause they are truly horrible all tournament long. I'd like to see the statistics for challenges over the entire season compared with this tournament, I think the results will be shattering.

revolution
10-20-2006, 06:32 PM
I notice Nalbandian isn't complaining about being cheated this time eh?

GlennMirnyi
10-20-2006, 06:36 PM
I notice Nalbandian isn't complaining about being cheated this time eh?

Exactly what I've been thinking.

ufokart
10-20-2006, 06:37 PM
In my opinion both played terrible :o, but Marat sucked even more :lol:

I'm a fan of both, but i really wanted Safin to win, especially after the idiotic remarks of Nalby after the Henman match :o.

Nalby served for the match in the second set and had a match point on the tiebreak. Safin served for the match in the third so it was a contested match, albeit a very mediocre one :lol:. And the umpire and linespeople were absolutely worthless.

I still don't know exactly what happened when Marat was serving for the match. I suppose i'll have to wait and see the highlights to see that again.


First things first: was Nalbandian even allowed to challenge that 2nd serve on 30-15? It seemed to me he didn't stop play immediately and waited until his return was called out (also a very close call) to challenge the serve.

As far as i know you can hit it once before challenging the call, so i don't think there was an error there.


when SAFIN HAD THE MP, if he knew that was a MP
he would have chanllenger that call, thats for sure
in a MP he would, and once that the ball was IN
the judge would make him REPLAY the MP
and that my friends, could be a GSM (game, set and match) for MARAT SAFIN....

Marat didn't have any challenges left


I don't understand something. Some people say that he didn't know he had a match point, so why he started going to the net to congratulate his oponent thinking he had won?

GlennMirnyi
10-20-2006, 06:38 PM
In my opinion both played terrible :o, but Marat sucked even more :lol:

I'm a fan of both, but i really wanted Safin to win, especially after the idiotic remarks of Nalby after the Henman match :o.

Nalby served for the match in the second set and had a match point on the tiebreak. Safin served for the match in the third so it was a contested match, albeit a very mediocre one :lol:. And the umpire and linespeople were absolutely worthless.

I still don't know exactly what happened when Marat was serving for the match. I suppose i'll have to wait and see the highlights to see that again.




As far as i know you can hit it once before challenging the call, so i don't think there was an error there.




Marat didn't have any challenges left


I don't understand something. Some people say that he didn't know he had a match point, so why he started going to the net to congratulate his oponent thinking he had won ???


Grilotti said 30-15 before that point.

ufokart
10-20-2006, 06:41 PM
I may be dumb, but i still don't understand what exactly happened there :lol:

But it sucks for Marat :o, nalby deserved a spanking after the "Henman is scum" remarks.

Ales_Alessandra
10-20-2006, 06:41 PM
Well, I said that because of what the commenters said! i didn't watch the match, but they showed the whole game again, and I haven't seen him going until the net. I mean, I saw him walk towards, but not that much! :shrug:
Anyway, it is past already!! Over!! :sad:

DrJules
10-20-2006, 06:41 PM
For a player often called fat and unfit he is doing very well this week. Now winning 3 long matches in a row.

ufokart
10-20-2006, 06:44 PM
Well, I said that because of what the commenters said! i didn't watch the match, but they show the whole game again, and I haven't seen him going until the net. I mean, I saw him walk towards, but not that much!
Anyway, it is past already!! Over!!

Mind you, maybe i'm wrong, i was watching the match at work and with the constant phone ringing i didn't pay that much attention to it :lol:

GlennMirnyi
10-20-2006, 06:44 PM
I may be dumb, but i still don't understand what exactly happened there :lol:

But it sucks for Marat :o, nalby deserved a spanking after the "Henman is scum" remarks.

Read the post I made... I watched the game and wrote down what happened. The thing is Grilotti made a counting mistake.

DrJules
10-20-2006, 06:45 PM
Should they allow more than 2 challenges a set?

ufokart
10-20-2006, 06:45 PM
Read the post I made... I watched the game and wrote down what happened. The thing is Grilotti made a counting mistake.

Oh, i think now i get it :lol:
Thanks :)

Deboogle!.
10-20-2006, 06:48 PM
Regardless of the fact Marat was out of challenges I agree that if he knew it was a MP he almost surely would've have played it differently. But even if it didn't ultimately affect the outcome of the match, it's still a pretty egregious error and i hope someone figures it out and the ump is sanctioned. Missing a close line call is one thing, humans aren't perfect, but blatantly missing the score is just awful.

Broomie
10-20-2006, 06:54 PM
If you think that a player not knowing when he's playing a MP makes no difference, you have never played tennis.
The reason I say it wouldn't have changed much, is that Safin's ball was clearly in, whether he knew it was MP or not, he did not make any mistake, the line judge did. Had he known it was MP, maybe he would have done another shot, but a mistake from the line judge might have happened anyway, that's what I mean.

Grillotti is the main problem there. And it's not the 1st time he screws up, I don't know what he's still doing there...

trixtah
10-20-2006, 06:54 PM
They can´t accept David is a FANTASTIC tennis player.

Let them cry , they voted for benneteau and BANG , the they voted Henman and BANG again , then Marat and BANG BANG BANG...........

David is Again the Number 3 in the world , deservedly. And they cant change that fact.

Keep whining !

Vamos David !

you're retarded, stop generalizing, idiot. I'm a Safin fan, but I was pulling for Nalby up until this match. You need to get off of that Argentinean cock

Jimnik
10-20-2006, 08:08 PM
I told you guys, the blog is too powerful. ;)

safinalium
10-20-2006, 08:19 PM
it was a pretty stupid situation. anyway, what happened, happened. it's in the past now. we cannot change it. :sad:

denibas77
10-20-2006, 08:31 PM
Safin also was robbed yesterday with the Belgian .I don't know what game was but I noticed that he won the first point,the ball was on the line there was no call for out and tv repeticion show that ball was good,he won the second point but the score was 15-15.I wonder does he pay attention on the score or he doesn't think about that .

Socket
10-20-2006, 08:40 PM
Was the TV scorecard showing something different than the on-court scoreboard or what the chair umpire was announcing? That's what I can't tell from the posts. The chair is supposed to enter the score on his handheld device BEFORE he announces it, and it's the chair's responsibility to change the score on his handheld after a successful challenge and then announce the revised score.

Blue Heart24
10-20-2006, 09:48 PM
You will cry tomorrow, don't worry! :haha:

Oh YES :devil: :devil:

keqtqiadv
10-20-2006, 10:05 PM
Grillotti :lol: :smash:

Corey Feldman
10-21-2006, 12:50 AM
Some typical Safin comments after the match :p ...

“He had his chances, I had mine, and he was a little bit luckier,” Safin said. “If I were fresher, I would have won in two sets without any problems.”

tripb19
10-21-2006, 01:17 AM
Some typical Safin comments after the match :p ...

“He had his chances, I had mine, and he was a little bit luckier,” Safin said. “If I were fresher, I would have won in two sets without any problems.”
Because Nalbandian was super fresh, coming off two 3rd set comebacks :rolleyes:

Dragula.mp3
10-21-2006, 01:23 AM
Ah who the fuck cares. Nalbandian was robed a lot against Federer in Shangai, against Roddick in the USOpen, Agassi in Houston... may I continue?
I didn't know safin's fans were so pussy (at least some here).

Croats, you have some very pretty ladies, but the majority (at least here on mtf), are so fucking stupid and boring's.

I hate all that bitching and moaning.

disturb3d
10-21-2006, 01:40 AM
Ridiculous play by Nalbandian. He cowered whenever he had a slight lead and just pushed the ball into the middle of the court.
But even if he plays like a coward, Safin's footwork is total crap and allowed him to get away with it.

He buckled down in the tiebreak. And the superior class burdened Safin.

Whenever he plays Federer, he plays without fear. If he could instill that attitude against the tour's mediocre players, he'd be near impossible to break.

NYCtennisfan
10-21-2006, 01:52 AM
I was taping the game for my brother and I have just rewatched that game...

This is what happened at 6-5 in the 3rd set:

Marat served, attacked, to the net, long lob from David: 15-0
Lost ball Marat, 15-15
Ace Marat 30-15
Till here, all normal... David had 1 challenge left ... Marat, none (burned last few moments before)

Marat served a deep, close 2nd serve, Davis missed the return and challenged the serve (which he is allowed, so in this Grilloti was right).

The serve was indeed quite long (horrible no call), so 30-30. But TV scoreboard is stuck at 30-15.

Marat misses 1st serve, hits an open Ace with his 2nd, 40-30, but TV scoreboard still frozen... So Marat had a MP, that won't stay on record.

Marat serves there is a rally, and Marat hits a ball right on the line, linesman calls it out (horrible call), Marat couldn't challenge, so the call stays and is 40-40 (it wasn't GSM, the point should have been played again at 40-30)

At that moment, I can't hear Grilloti's score but TV shows 30-30 instead of 40-40.

There is a rally, David comes to the net, Marat plays BH DTL passing that looked out, but very close... no call at first ... David shouts, and either Grilloti (it was on his side) or the linewoman rectify and call the ball out ... TV shows it was indeed out .. and Grilloti says 30-40 so he makes the wrong score official ...

David wins the next point, breaks, and the rest is history...


Grilloti shouldn't umpire anymore, he is lazy, and often wrong ... and linesmen are making horrible mistakes...

This is just ridiculous and unacceptable at this level. How can this happen?

hammett
10-21-2006, 03:08 AM
ESPN+ is repeating this match now (it just started). Can someone record that last game and post it??

marti_228
10-21-2006, 03:23 AM
ESPN+ is repeating this match now (it just started). Can someone record that last game and post it??

Thanks, I'm going to watch it since I was at school when they were playing

Vass
10-21-2006, 06:56 AM
Ah who the fuck cares. Nalbandian was robed a lot against Federer in Shangai, against Roddick in the USOpen, Agassi in Houston... may I continue?


Please do.
All mistakes by umpires should be penalized.

yomike
10-21-2006, 09:16 AM
Yeeh! David, your not very popular in MTF but its nice to see a lot of dissapointed people here today.