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FedEx barely beats Soderling 7-6(5) 7-6(8)

supersexynadal
10-19-2006, 03:53 PM
:eek: :eek:

Clara Bow
10-19-2006, 03:56 PM
I wonder if Federer still thinks Hawkeye is a bad thing. ;)

I have enjoyed a number of Soderling matches that I have seen, they tend to be pretty good contests- although he is often on the losing end.

Adler
10-19-2006, 03:57 PM
a Man who refused to lose the match

Fed-Express
10-19-2006, 03:59 PM
Woah, 7-7... I think Fedex didn't deserve that set!

Regenbogen
10-19-2006, 04:00 PM
I wonder if Federer still thinks Hawkeye is a bad thing. ;)



Yeah he'd better stop saying it is unnecessary now :p

yanchr
10-19-2006, 04:00 PM
Well done Roger, esp in both TBs :yeah: :banana:

:lol: at the last few points...I love hawke-eye :hearts:

Fergie
10-19-2006, 04:00 PM
Well done Rogi! :bigclap:

lordmanji
10-19-2006, 04:01 PM
just saw soderling v federer. 7-6, 7-6 federer. great game. wouldve liked to see robin challenge fed more on his serve but towards the end he was starting to. soderlings service games were very entertaining as they had the most rallies. soderling hits with very little margin for error, clipping the net cord numerous times but luck was on his side today as itd trickle over to feds side. fed seemed agitated at a few of those and some of his ues but he was very mentally tough today weathering soderlings huge fhs.

Yappa
10-19-2006, 04:01 PM
Fed is starting to love the Challenge System, I am sure. :lol:

He made two challenges in a row (at 8:8 and 9:8) and was right both times (Söderlings forehand too long twice). The crowd booed when Fed made the first challenge at 8:8 and it turned out that he was right. Great way to shut off their mouthes! :yeah:

rofe
10-19-2006, 04:03 PM
I wonder if Federer still thinks Hawkeye is a bad thing. ;)

I have enjoyed a number of Soderling matches that I have seen, they tend to be pretty good contests- although he is often on the losing end.

His reasons for saying that weren't due to his doubts about the technology but the cost of implementation. :shrug:

Anyway, tough match for Fed and Soderling came to play. Seems like Fed almost got over-powered but the W against his name is what matters so let us see how he plays against Ginepri.

supersexynadal
10-19-2006, 04:04 PM
im sure at the end of the match he was thinking I LOVE HAWK EYE!! I liked the way soderling kept the pressure on him but what a choke in that first tie break

Monteque
10-19-2006, 04:08 PM
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Monteque
10-19-2006, 04:08 PM
Fed is starting to love the Challenge System, I am sure. :lol:

He made two challenges in a row (at 8:8 and 9:8) and was right both times (Söderlings forehand too long twice). The crowd booed when Fed made the first challenge at 8:8 and it turned out that he was right. Great way to shut off their mouthes! :yeah:

Thanks for the explanation. I will see it tomorrow for delayed tape.

Wow, that's a dramatic match, not so good way to finish the game. 2 challenges for 2 last points in TB.......what a real :eek:

landoud
10-19-2006, 04:10 PM
:woohoo:

Clara Bow
10-19-2006, 04:11 PM
The crowd booed when Fed made the first challenge at 8:8 and it turned out that he was right. Great way to shut off their mouthes!

To be fair- they then applauded when he was right.

RogiFan88
10-19-2006, 04:21 PM
yeah, but you know they wanted the sod to win this one... :haha:

Corey Feldman
10-19-2006, 04:21 PM
good win, but he was blowing BPS all the time in the match.... ok - it can happen indoor against a big server like Sod.
that's probably what he struggles with indoors... but the good side of it is he is harder to break as well :) if he meets Safin in the semis it will be very close, i might even slightly favour Marat.

Corey Feldman
10-19-2006, 04:22 PM
and sort the title out for this thread ... you cant win a set 7-7 can you
:rolls:

supersexynadal
10-19-2006, 04:23 PM
^^^ he didnt waste them. Soderling came up with an ace almost everytime which was shocking since he wasn confident at all in the big points.

Yappa
10-19-2006, 04:25 PM
To be fair- they then applauded when he was right.

True that.
But a Federer-Nadal final could be REALLY interesting. And then the same thing in Basel next week to compare the crowds.

scoobs
10-19-2006, 04:25 PM
Was a good match - Soderling kept it very tight except for the end of both tiebreakers - he saved a lot of bps with terrific serving and had a couple of set points that he could take. Made Roger work very hard for that one.

Good win for Roger though - Soderling indoors in full flight is a very dangerous player to get by - you almost have to get him to a tiebreak then load on the pressure.

Monteque
10-19-2006, 04:35 PM
that's probably what he struggles with indoors... but the good side of it is he is harder to break as well :) if he meets Safin in the semis it will be very close, i might even slightly favour Marat.


With 42 titles overall, Roger just have 1 carpet titles and it is his FIRST carrer title.....it makes sense that carpet even give him bigger nervous than clay.

Safin could be very dangerous with his destruction serve but for the rallies he is weak, i count on Safin in semi to challenge Roger. But of course Nalbandian could be dangerous too.:)

gulzhan
10-19-2006, 04:38 PM
Fed is starting to love the Challenge System, I am sure. :lol:

He made two challenges in a row (at 8:8 and 9:8) and was right both times (Söderlings forehand too long twice). The crowd booed when Fed made the first challenge at 8:8 and it turned out that he was right. Great way to shut off their mouthes! :yeah:


It's so much fun to watch him challenging a call! He feels so embarassed! :haha:

I would boo no mater if he was right or wrong! I am sure most of the crowd wanted to remind him about being so adamant -- tennis must always have a human factor bla-bla-bla....

Don't be so damn sure against something new, Roger, if you might use that in the future! People will boo you every time you challenge! :p

rofe
10-19-2006, 04:39 PM
With 42 titles overall, Roger just have 1 carpet titles and it is his FIRST carrer title.....it makes sense that carpet even give him bigger nervous than clay.

Safin could be very dangerous with his destruction serve but for the rallies he is weak, i count on Safin in semi to challenge Roger. But of course Nalbandian could be dangerous too.:)

But Madrid is hard court.

Andre♥
10-19-2006, 04:41 PM
Soderling would have beaten anybody excluding Federer today.

bellascarlett
10-19-2006, 04:42 PM
and sort the title out for this thread ... you cant win a set 7-7 can you
:rolls:

:lol:

mangoes
10-19-2006, 04:43 PM
Very entertaining match. I'm very happy Fed won, but it was nice to see a determined Soderling. Some very interesting points were played, and, I think Roger has embraced Mr. Hawkeye, especially after this match.

I wouldn't say Federer barely won........it was two straight sets:shrug:

Soderling would have beaten anybody excluding Federer today.

I think he would have beaten most of the members of the top 10 today.

Monteque
10-19-2006, 04:46 PM
But Madrid is hard court.

:scratch: I think i mentioned it to Paris....my bad.

gulzhan
10-19-2006, 04:46 PM
Bellascarlett, your avatar :worship:
Can't send you goodrep-- the system won't let it! :lol:

Neverstopfightin
10-19-2006, 04:48 PM
To beat Roger is necessary something more than to make a great match like Robin today.Another proof of Roger' superiority over the rest of players .

Congrats to both players for offering us great tennis.

Corey Feldman
10-19-2006, 04:51 PM
FIX the title of this thread damnit :(

rofe
10-19-2006, 04:53 PM
FIX the title of this thread damnit :(

Why, do you have OCD? ;)

NYCtennisfan
10-19-2006, 04:55 PM
To beat Roger is necessary something more than to make a great match like Robin today.Another proof of Roger' superiority over the rest of players .

Congrats to both players for offering us great tennis.

So true.

Fed could've made it easier on himself by taking one of his BP's, but props to Soderling for playing well when he needed to. Federer has been really difficult to break since the US Open. He has hardly been challenged on serve in DC, Tokyo, and Madrid.

Corey Feldman
10-19-2006, 04:58 PM
Why, do you have OCD? ;)hehe

i think i do actually :o

nobama
10-19-2006, 05:23 PM
So true.

Fed could've made it easier on himself by taking one of his BP's, but props to Soderling for playing well when he needed to. Federer has been really difficult to break since the US Open. He has hardly been challenged on serve in DC, Tokyo, and Madrid.I like that. Makes it easier on the nerves knowing it's tough to break him. Fed served over 70% today which is amazing for him.

Deathless Mortal
10-19-2006, 05:24 PM
It wasn't 7:7 in the first set! I saw the match. And it was 7:6 in both sets!!! :retard:

sawan66278
10-19-2006, 05:28 PM
I actually only saw the first set, and the problem again, is that the players are buying into the Federer hype created by the media, i.e. that he is the "greatest ever"...Soderling completely self-destructed at 5-2 up in the tiebreak...

At 5-4, he misses his favorite shot on a routine backhand...and then, the unforgiveable error, a double fault to give Roger set point...

Players lose before they go on court, and then...when they have a chance to win...actually don't believe they can...very sad...:sad:

nobama
10-19-2006, 05:30 PM
I actually only saw the first set, and the problem again, is that the players are buying into the Federer hype created by the media, i.e. that he is the "greatest ever"...Soderling completely self-destructed at 5-2 up in the tiebreak...

At 5-4, he misses his favorite shot on a routine backhand...and then, the unforgiveable error, a double fault to give Roger set point...

Players lose before they go on court, and then...when they have a chance to win...actually don't believe they can...very sad...:sad::haha: go on believing this if it makes you feel better.

safinalium
10-19-2006, 05:35 PM
i don't know if he's making experiments with his game or stg else but this isn't federer's best tennis for sure...

KaxMisha
10-19-2006, 05:35 PM
I actually only saw the first set, and the problem again, is that the players are buying into the Federer hype created by the media, i.e. that he is the "greatest ever"...Soderling completely self-destructed at 5-2 up in the tiebreak...

At 5-4, he misses his favorite shot on a routine backhand...and then, the unforgiveable error, a double fault to give Roger set point...

Players lose before they go on court, and then...when they have a chance to win...actually don't believe they can...very sad...:sad:

I'm am amazed at how little people actually know about tennis when I read stuff like this...

nobama
10-19-2006, 05:38 PM
i don't know if he's making experiments with his game or stg else but this isn't federer's best tennis for sure...Um he served over 70%, had more winners than errors and only had two bp against his serve (which both came at the end of the second set). He had 8 bp chances against Soderling but Soderling played those points very well. Soderling played the entire match very well and that's why it went to two tb's.

scarecrows
10-19-2006, 05:38 PM
didnt watch the match but I saw Soderling against Ferrero and I had a feeling it would be tough for Rog

good win

lunahielo
10-19-2006, 05:41 PM
I saw this match and it was a good one.
Robin played very well, but Roger came through in the end..and only 2 sets!
Interesting..there were no breaks.

Yes, I am a Federer fan and sometimes I have been a little worried at the outcome, but today,watching it, I was not at all concerned.

Macbrother
10-19-2006, 05:44 PM
Roger was pushing a few balls out, yes, maybe because of the slight altitude effect, or something else (like Soderling's pace) but Soderling simply played an excellent match, was serving over 140mph on numerous occasions, he was simply playing very, very good. However, at 0/2 bp he barely sniffed break points, Federer was serving equally as well.

When Federer's not playing a slam (where he simply rises his game dramatically) if someone's playing very well they can certainly push Federer to the limit.

lordmanji
10-19-2006, 05:46 PM
Roger was pushing a few balls out, yes, maybe because of the slight altitude effect, or something else (like Soderling's pace) but Soderling simply played an excellent match, was serving over 140mph on numerous occasions, he was simply playing very, very good. However, at 0/2 bp he barely sniffed break points, Federer was serving equally as well.

When Federer's not playing a slam (where he simply rises his game dramatically) if someone's playing very well they can certainly push Federer to the limit.

macbrother, i LOVE your avatar. its my favorite game of all time (the sega cd version)

LaTenista
10-19-2006, 05:50 PM
yeah, but you know they wanted the sod to win this one... :haha:

Sometimes it's good to cheer for the underdog, no?

^^^ he didnt waste them. Soderling came up with an ace almost everytime which was shocking since he wasn confident at all in the big points.

I agree. He got really tight at the end of the first TB, which was a really pity.

Soderling would have beaten anybody excluding Federer today.

Hmmm, I think everyone except Fed and Nadal (since he's at home).

I wouldn't say Federer barely won........it was two straight sets:shrug:


The last time they met Robin won the first set in a TB on grass :p Soderling was 2 points from taking the first set TB and had 2 SPs in the 2nd set - by 'Fed standards' that is just barely winning. :shrug: Basically if 3 points (2 in the TB and one at the end of the 2nd set) had gone Robin's way it would have been a straight sets defeat for Fed.

:haha: go on believing this if it makes you feel better.

I won't say it's the media's hype of Fed that gets into other players' heads, but rather a general attitude that the match was already decided in the lockerroom - no one besides Nadal really believes they can beat Fed - and the proof is every match Roger plays poorly where his opponents always let him off the hook.

Eden
10-19-2006, 06:11 PM
Unfortunately I couldn't watch the match, which seemed to be a great competition between both players. Credit to Robin for pushing Roger to the limit :yeah: and of course congrats to the Swiss for this victory :bigclap:

Good luck for the next match against Ginepri Roger :)

vesanto
10-19-2006, 06:57 PM
Soderling really seems to be one of the players that challenge Federer. I remember some other tight matches between them. Props to him for doing that.

TMJordan
10-19-2006, 06:58 PM
Very nice effort Robin.

07 will be huge for Soderling.

Allez
10-19-2006, 07:04 PM
Roger's standard of play this year is definitely not what it was last year and the year before. No more easy matches for him. :sad:

Corey Feldman
10-19-2006, 07:09 PM
I actually only saw the first set, and the problem again, is that the players are buying into the Federer hype created by the media, i.e. that he is the "greatest ever"...Soderling completely self-destructed at 5-2 up in the tiebreak...

At 5-4, he misses his favorite shot on a routine backhand...and then, the unforgiveable error, a double fault to give Roger set point...

Players lose before they go on court, and then...when they have a chance to win...actually don't believe they can...very sad... :sad: stupid living in the past sampras fan :rolleyes:

Um he served over 70%, had more winners than errors and only had two bp against his serve (which both came at the end of the second set). He had 8 bp chances against Soderling but Soderling played those points very well. Soderling played the entire match very well and that's why it went to two tb's.fed blew 0/8 bps.... see, players lose before they step on the court v Soderling.

:lol:

Eden
10-19-2006, 07:13 PM
Roger's standard of play this year is definitely not what it was last year and the year before. No more easy matches for him. :sad:

Didn't you follow Wimbledon and the US Open? ;)

Netin!
10-19-2006, 07:21 PM
Soderling will be top-10 in next year, yours blows are strongest of the circuit.

scoobs
10-19-2006, 07:25 PM
Soderling won't be top 10 because stick him outside with a bit of wind and direct sunlight and his game goes quite wonky and there's not enough indoors to make that sort of dent.

GlennMirnyi
10-19-2006, 07:27 PM
Why do you all talk about the challenges Federer made? As if he weren't going to win anyway...

cmurray
10-19-2006, 07:31 PM
that was a good match. I liked the way Soderling didn't just roll over when he lost that first set tie-breaker. And Roger didn't play poorly the way he did against Murray in cincy, Robin was just pressing him. Very nice.

I agree with those who said that Marat might give Rogi trouble if they meet. Could prove to be a hell of a match.

GlennMirnyi
10-19-2006, 07:35 PM
Soderling would have beaten anybody excluding Federer today.

Agreed.

rofe
10-19-2006, 07:36 PM
I won't say it's the media's hype of Fed that gets into other players' heads, but rather a general attitude that the match was already decided in the lockerroom - no one besides Nadal really believes they can beat Fed - and the proof is every match Roger plays poorly where his opponents always let him off the hook.

Your argument is disingenuous at best. What kind of proof do you have? I just watched Nadal's match against Haas and I can quite easily say that Haas gave him the second set and the match. Would you agree with me?

nobama
10-19-2006, 07:45 PM
No it's only against Roger that players shit their pants and hand him the match.

nobama
10-19-2006, 07:46 PM
Roger's standard of play this year is definitely not what it was last year and the year before. No more easy matches for him. :sad:
What are you talking about? The guy has three slams and most likely will beat his 81 match wins of last year. :shrug: The tight scoreline today was because of Soderling's excellent play, NOT Federer's poor standard.

Skyward
10-19-2006, 07:47 PM
Your argument is disingenuous at best. What kind of proof do you have? I just watched Nadal's match against Haas and I can quite easily say that Haas gave him the second set and the match. Would you agree with me?

Who needs a proof? Just use your imagination! :rolleyes:

Sunset of Age
10-19-2006, 08:10 PM
All I could conclude - after finally having been so lucky to see both matches LIVE! - that Rogi had a lot more difficulty in his match than Rafa had in his. Not that that really says *anything*, though.

GAME ON, me dears!

Neely
10-19-2006, 10:48 PM
A bit of a surprise that Federer only wins in two tiebreaks, and by such a close score. Then again you have to consider that Söderling already gave him a good fight a year ago on grass and should have won it, but did not. And Federer doesn't play that well in early rounds always. So this explains a bit of the close result.

nobama
10-19-2006, 10:48 PM
All I could conclude - after finally having been so lucky to see both matches LIVE! - that Rogi had a lot more difficulty in his match than Rafa had in his. Not that that really says *anything*, though.

GAME ON, me dears!Soderling played a better match than Haas did.

NYCtennisfan
10-19-2006, 10:52 PM
I won't say it's the media's hype of Fed that gets into other players' heads, but rather a general attitude that the match was already decided in the lockerroom - no one besides Nadal really believes they can beat Fed - and the proof is every match Roger plays poorly where his opponents always let him off the hook.

Federer did NOT play poorly. He played rather well. Soderling played very well. Thus it was a close match. Maybe newbie fans to the game do not realize that there is very little between these players (any practice session will show you this) and that every match between two good players playing well will in all probability be a war like this match.

NYCtennisfan
10-19-2006, 10:55 PM
Roger's standard of play this year is definitely not what it was last year and the year before. No more easy matches for him. :sad:

Federer is twice the player he was in 2004. Much better 2nd serve, much better FH, stronger, better physically....

As for easy scorelines, what about the Moodie and Henman matches in Tokyo? Massu yesterday?

LaTenista
10-19-2006, 11:05 PM
Federer did NOT play poorly. He played rather well. Soderling played very well. Thus it was a close match. Maybe newbie fans to the game do not realize that there is very little between these players (any practice session will show you this) and that every match between two good players playing well will in all probability be a war like this match.

If you'd have bothered to read the context of what I was replying about, you'd see I was not implying Federer played bad today, in fact I thought he was playing well. :rolleyes:

Merely a discussion about why players usually lose.

musefanatic
10-19-2006, 11:08 PM
I'm not sure how this can be a 'barely' win cos it was in 2 sets and not 3 but yeah he was made to work for it but he came through in the end as per usual :) Well done Roger :)

BlackSilver
10-19-2006, 11:25 PM
i don't know if he's making experiments with his game or stg else but this isn't federer's best tennis for sure...

What the hell are you talking about? Federer played one of his best matches of three sets of his live today.

nobama
10-19-2006, 11:42 PM
If you'd have bothered to read the context of what I was replying about, you'd see I was not implying Federer played bad today, in fact I thought he was playing well. :rolleyes:

Merely a discussion about why players usually lose.Yes and not the least bit surprising you'd think players let Federer off the hook. Of course I doubt you'd ever say that about Nadal. :rolleyes:

Sjengster
10-20-2006, 12:01 AM
Terrible Soderling, letting himself be aced on those setpoints he had at the end of the second set.... I agree he screwed up in the first set tiebreak, but then he is a player who goes for his shots and in particular goes for his second serve, which paid dividends at other times in the match; he just went for too much at 5-5 in the breaker and paid the price for it (a double fault that is long rather than in the net is usually a good double, if there is such a thing). I agree with the majority that Federer was playing pretty well, just the backhand pass and all his attempts at dropshots/short angles on the backhand side were failing. He served superbly and he needed to, because Soderling indoors is always a tough proposition.

Convenient that sawan only saw the first set that reinforced his "overrated" perception of Federer, my commentator actually pointed out at the end of the match that the entire second set tiebreak showed how it's not just serves and forehands that make him the world no. 1. He fought hard in the long rallies to stay in the points, not many players would be able to retrieve the bullets Soderling was firing off both wings and manage to turn the rally round in their favour.

World Beater
10-20-2006, 12:44 AM
I actually only saw the first set, and the problem again, is that the players are buying into the Federer hype created by the media, i.e. that he is the "greatest ever"...Soderling completely self-destructed at 5-2 up in the tiebreak...

At 5-4, he misses his favorite shot on a routine backhand...and then, the unforgiveable error, a double fault to give Roger set point...

Players lose before they go on court, and then...when they have a chance to win...actually don't believe they can...very sad...:sad:

yeah like at RG, when soderling missed an easy volley against nadal and missed several forehands when up a break in the second set.

newsflash: soderling has very little margin for error...he has hot and cold streaks .

soraya
10-20-2006, 12:53 AM
Terrible Soderling, letting himself be aced on those setpoints he had at the end of the second set.... I agree he screwed up in the first set tiebreak, but then he is a player who goes for his shots and in particular goes for his second serve, which paid dividends at other times in the match; he just went for too much at 5-5 in the breaker and paid the price for it (a double fault that is long rather than in the net is usually a good double, if there is such a thing). I agree with the majority that Federer was playing pretty well, just the backhand pass and all his attempts at dropshots/short angles on the backhand side were failing. He served superbly and he needed to, because Soderling indoors is always a tough proposition.

Convenient that sawan only saw the first set that reinforced his "overrated" perception of Federer, my commentator actually pointed out at the end of the match that the entire second set tiebreak showed how it's not just serves and forehands that make him the world no. 1. He fought hard in the long rallies to stay in the points, not many players would be able to retrieve the bullets Soderling was firing off both wings and manage to turn the rally round in their favour.


and that sums up! :yeah: Great analysis,

moon language
10-20-2006, 01:43 AM
One thing about Federer that I think is the mark of a tennis "great" is that he can be tested, but still comes out with the win. This seems to make some of his fans nervous but I think that until Federer starts losing some of these matches there's nothing to worry about. He's got that extra something right now that separates him.

Merton
10-20-2006, 02:01 AM
I don't see anything extraordinary on this result, Soderling is certainly dangerous for anybody indoors. It is remarkable how Roger is winning so many close matches this last couple of years.

Action Jackson
10-20-2006, 02:04 AM
The Toad played very well as he does with a roof over his head and he gave Federer something to think about and Federer will be better for the test that the Toad gave him.

cmurray
10-20-2006, 02:14 AM
One thing about Federer that I think is the mark of a tennis "great" is that he can be tested, but still comes out with the win. This seems to make some of his fans nervous but I think that until Federer starts losing some of these matches there's nothing to worry about. He's got that extra something right now that separates him.

Pete used to be able to do that. he could be playing like crap and still manage to win somehow.

moon language
10-20-2006, 02:19 AM
Pete used to be able to do that. he could be playing like crap and still manage to win somehow.

Yeah that's exactly what I mean. It's the same kind of thing. That extra intangible that they have that helps them to pull through these tough matches.

KaxMisha
10-20-2006, 02:53 AM
Yeah that's exactly what I mean. It's the same kind of thing. That extra intangible that they have that helps them to pull through these tough matches.

Yeah, it's either that, or it's the bullshit explanation that their opponents have already given up beforehand. Now, which does seem more likely?

oz_boz
10-20-2006, 09:23 AM
Before the match I actually thought Robin would surprise Roger and could get the win, but as usual Fed handles the situation. But he had to fight a bit for this one.
:hatoff: to both.

Anyway don't fancy Roger's chances of winning this. After Ginepri it's Safin or Nalby :scared: and in the final possibly his nemesis on form and home ground :scared: :scared: (getting ahead of things, I know)

oz_boz
10-20-2006, 09:34 AM
Sometimes it's good to cheer for the underdog, no?

I take it you rooted really hard for Haas yesterday, no?

I won't say it's the media's hype of Fed that gets into other players' heads, but rather a general attitude that the match was already decided in the lockerroom - no one besides Nadal really believes they can beat Fed - and the proof is every match Roger plays poorly where his opponents always let him off the hook.

So? If you are good and win most of your matches opponents will fear you. But they will also feel they have nothing to lose and hence be able to play with less pressure. Both effects are obvious and no less there for Roger than any other player.

bokehlicious
10-20-2006, 09:38 AM
I take it you rooted really hard for Haas yesterday, no?

:yeah:

such Rafatards will argue that Nadal remains the underdog vs Haas on hard :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

oz_boz
10-20-2006, 10:04 AM
such Rafatards will argue that Nadal remains the underdog vs Haas on hard

He's not the underdog against anyone in this tournie, against nonFeds thanks to good form and against Fed thanks to h2h.

buzz
10-20-2006, 10:13 AM
Yeah that's exactly what I mean. It's the same kind of thing. That extra intangible that they have that helps them to pull through these tough matches.

I've got the impression it's got something to do with their serves. When under pressure they are still serving acurate and versatile a little extra I think.