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problem with top-spin backhand

Hokit
10-19-2006, 06:04 AM
i've got two problems with my backhand so far:

one, i can't seem to do an aggressive slice. ok, i use the continental grip (same grip i use for serves and volleys) to execute a slice, but for some reason i keep moonballing those shots. for example, i was playing against a guy on sunday and because he was hitting hard flat shots from left to right all freakin match the i couldn't hit some back myself (i'm mostly a defensive player - trying to change that now). anyway, he got me cornered with a pretty good forehand and he hit it to my backhand side. when i "sliced' it, it hit it so high that he could come towards the net and hit a winner with a drive volley.

my coach says i should swing the racquet fast and make sure i hit from low to high, but that's bs since hitting from low to high gets either a top-spin shot or a lob - two shots that flat shot players love to smack.

i try to keep the racquet face open but...aw what the hell, can someone just give me a step-by-step guide on hitting a slice?

two, i've got a one-handed backhand, but for some reason i can't hit a top-spin back-hand shot. i try, but it always comes out as a lob.

and before anyone asks, no, i'm not prone to dirtball style of tennis since i haven't played on any surfaces other than painted cement or indoor carpet ;)

can someone help me out here? :confused:

PTR_Professional
10-25-2006, 11:59 PM
Ok I`ll tackle this one at a time.....from what you described because
you naturally play a defensive game and then when under pressure
because of a good shot from your oppenent you sky the ball when
trying slice.

What is happening is one of 2 things.....

one....Because they`ve hit a good shot your not hitting into the ball
with your body weight moving into the direction of where you want
the ball to go.

To hit a successful slice....a slice that really penetrates court...I`m
not talking about those slow balls that float in the air...I mean slice
with zip!! You gotta lean INTO the shot....almost like your trying to
lean towards the net....then your slice....(hit high to low)...you
hit a effective shot!

two...your hitting too much underneath the ball. Hit a slice in slow
motion without hitting a ball....see how your racket strings are facing about
45 degrees up to the sky.....well thats where the balls gonna go if
you don`t chop down into the ball while leaning forward.



The backhand...

At first the top spin single handed backhand can be frustrating. Simply
put check you have the correct grip (common problem)....then with your
swing starting low.....imagine you are brushing up the back of the ball.....
NOT hitting directly into the middly of the ball........or the underside of the ball.....

You need your low racket whipping up the back of the ball leading to a nice
high finish for your follow through....keep a relaxed wrist and you hit your
first topspin backhand with minutes guaranteed!!

Hope this helps you

:)

Hokit
10-27-2006, 02:16 PM
Ok I`ll tackle this one at a time.....from what you described because
you naturally play a defensive game and then when under pressure
because of a good shot from your oppenent you sky the ball when
trying slice.

What is happening is one of 2 things.....

one....Because they`ve hit a good shot your not hitting into the ball
with your body weight moving into the direction of where you want
the ball to go.

To hit a successful slice....a slice that really penetrates court...I`m
not talking about those slow balls that float in the air...I mean slice
with zip!! You gotta lean INTO the shot....almost like your trying to
lean towards the net....then your slice....(hit high to low)...you
hit a effective shot!

two...your hitting too much underneath the ball. Hit a slice in slow
motion without hitting a ball....see how your racket strings are facing about
45 degrees up to the sky.....well thats where the balls gonna go if
you don`t chop down into the ball while leaning forward.



The backhand...

At first the top spin single handed backhand can be frustrating. Simply
put check you have the correct grip (common problem)....then with your
swing starting low.....imagine you are brushing up the back of the ball.....
NOT hitting directly into the middly of the ball........or the underside of the ball.....

You need your low racket whipping up the back of the ball leading to a nice
high finish for your follow through....keep a relaxed wrist and you hit your
first topspin backhand with minutes guaranteed!!

Hope this helps you

:)

Ah so it's my body position that's doing the damage :p I tend to lean back when serving and hitting shots because I tend to set myself up way too late.

What tips do you have on taking a ball early? I guess doing that's much better than leaning backwards and not having enough time to do the proper technique ;)

And thanks for the help! :) Really appreciate it! :)

PTR_Professional
10-27-2006, 04:00 PM
When you say you want help in taking a ball early thats not
what you need......don`t confuse taking a ball early with
getting yourself (body and racket) prepared early.

To take the ball early means coming to hit the ball quicker
off the bounce.....even taking it in the air as a drive volley.

What would really help you is to get you prepared early....
then you`ll have time to get your body weight going forward
into the slice.

Good way to think of this is if you wait for the ball to bounce
on your side of the net and then you turn your shoulders and
put your racket back and down.......its too late!!


Instead as soon as they hit the ball...

* Decide forehand or backhand


While the ball is in the air coming towards you...

* Turn your shoulders to side you need to
(depending on f/h or b/h)
As you turn shoulders get the racket back and ready...


This will help you get your body and racket ready in good
time for you to execute more effective groundstrokes


:)


P.S. Little tip....remember split steps between shots! And as
you move/run to the ball.... get the racket back while your
moving....when you get to ball all you gotta do is
release the swing and smile at your early preparation!

eizmed
10-28-2006, 04:24 PM
hmmm.... maybe your coach means "brushing" the ball.....imagine the ball hitting the string offcentre and you "brush" it from low to high... this may given you a ball enough spin just just go over the net and then dip down again... so opponent have to pick up a low volley... not a high one

Just practice with different racket face angle.. some will go up, some will go into net.....

Good luck...

Hokit
11-04-2006, 01:22 PM
When you say you want help in taking a ball early thats not
what you need......don`t confuse taking a ball early with
getting yourself (body and racket) prepared early.

To take the ball early means coming to hit the ball quicker
off the bounce.....even taking it in the air as a drive volley.

That's what I wanna do! It's hard to hit a flat shot consistently (could be my rubbish racquet) and I guess the only way to compete well against those :fiery: :smash: power players is hitting the ball at about halfway after it bounces (did I get the taking-the-ball-early definition right here? :confused: )

What would really help you is to get you prepared early....
then you`ll have time to get your body weight going forward
into the slice.

That's one thing I noticed a player like the Williams sisters do. Too bad for me they can hit flat hard shots like there's no tomorrow; I've got to rely on luck :o :o :o

P.S. Little tip....remember split steps between shots! And as
you move/run to the ball.... get the racket back while your
moving....when you get to ball all you gotta do is
release the swing and smile at your early preparation!

Thanks a lot! :D

Last thing: could you give me a low-down on the angle my racquet face is supposed to be for:
- top-spin
- flat-shot
- slices
- sliced serve?

I know I hit top-spins more often than not, but sometimes I find there's way too much errors and I'm starting to suspect it's the racquet angle.

Thanks again! :wavey:

Hokit
11-04-2006, 01:26 PM
hmmm.... maybe your coach means "brushing" the ball.....imagine the ball hitting the string offcentre and you "brush" it from low to high... this may given you a ball enough spin just just go over the net and then dip down again... so opponent have to pick up a low volley... not a high one

Just practice with different racket face angle.. some will go up, some will go into net.....

Good luck...

Thanks for the tip :) Yeah my coach does say "brushing" and doing that makes the racquet give out this "woosh" sound when striking the ball. Unfortunately that means perfect timing, perfect body position, perfect racquet angle and just being perfect overall :fiery: Those power players aren't generous and don't give me enough time to hit a killer top-spin :devil:

One thing that confuses me is the direction of my shots. I can't seem to hit at the exact place I want to! If I want to hit it straight across a line when someone's at the net (and is too tall to hit a lob over), my shots always go about 50 kms away from the line :o :o :o How do I control the direction of my shots?

Thanks heaps! :D

master935
01-07-2007, 08:37 AM
when you slice the ball you need to keep the face more closed. Your problem with the topspin is that you want to hit the ball to far behind you, this is the perfect place to hit the slice... but it is the worst place to hit the topspin. you need to look at your own topspin backhand(without hitting a ball) and find the spot where it starts to go up and into you follow thru, this may not seem like the best place to hit a backhand but when you hit it here you will get the upward "brush" that you are looking for.

dannysspieler85
02-05-2007, 10:28 AM
i don't give u any suggestions concerning ur technique, but i can tell u what helped ME with that: just try out another string/string thickness.
with a 1.35 no-name string u will never be able to play a good slice :D
the thinner a string is, the better the ball accepts slice or top-spin. the disadvantage is that thin strings of course don't last that long. find the best compromise... :)