J. Johansson def. Del Potro 6:4, 6:4 [Archive] - MensTennisForums.com

J. Johansson def. Del Potro 6:4, 6:4

Deathless Mortal
10-17-2006, 07:17 PM
Well done!! :crazy: C'mon! I'm glad you're back!

adee-gee
10-17-2006, 07:18 PM
Del Potro 0/8 on break points, that's where the match was lost.

DrJules
10-17-2006, 07:22 PM
Del Potro 0/8 on break points, that's where the match was lost.


How many saved by Johansson aces and service winners.

stebs
10-17-2006, 07:23 PM
How many saved by Johansson aces and service winners.

I'd guess 5 or 6 saved by serves and 1 or 2 saved by points Del Potro could never get into. I suspect only about 1 or 2 real chances.

Jaap
10-17-2006, 07:23 PM
Bang goes the Del Potro hype.

NATAS81
10-17-2006, 07:27 PM
In before the 10 minute mark!

Heja!

In one game, Joachim won at love and all points were aces!

After his first service game he had 2 aces - the same number of aces Mathieu had the whole match vs. JMDP.

tennisgal_001
10-17-2006, 07:28 PM
Bang goes the Del Potro hype.

Oh c'mon now. Del Petro did well enough to get through the quallies and enter the main draw of an AMS. He's 18 n' a few weeks remember. But honestly, not much he could've done today. JJ was serving out of his freakin' mind. 17 aces in a 4&4 win 1h 15min is insane, 70% 1st serve, 80% pts on 1st serve and 60% pts on second serve. Too good today.
Kolya will be blown off court if JJ comes in as prepared as he was today.

Hendu
10-17-2006, 07:28 PM
I didn't see the match, but looking at the stats it seems it was a close one.

17 aces for Pim Pim.

Good tournament for Del Potro, being able to qualify to an AMS tournament for the first time.

Nathaliia
10-17-2006, 07:30 PM
Congrats PimPim :nerner: ;)

yeap I think that JMDP already did his stuff in quallies, hes not used to def. so many class opponents at one tournament

DrJules
10-17-2006, 07:30 PM
I'd guess 5 or 6 saved by serves and 1 or 2 saved by points Del Potro could never get into. I suspect only about 1 or 2 real chances.

Of the 63 points in the match won by Johansson, 17 were won with aces. Del Potro only served 3 aces. I guess that Del Potro struggles returning the serve.

DrJules
10-17-2006, 07:35 PM
Oh c'mon now. Del Petro did well enough to get through the quallies and enter the main draw of an AMS. He's 18 n' a few weeks remember. But honestly, not much he could've done today. JJ was serving out of his freakin' mind. 17 aces in a 4&4 win 1h 15min is insane, 70% 1st serve, 80% pts on 1st serve and 60% pts on second serve. Too good today.
Kolya will be blown off court if JJ comes in as prepared as he was today.

On this form it is not a surprise he beat Nadal last week and is probably capable of other "surprise results".

Hendu
10-17-2006, 07:39 PM
Of the 63 points in the match won by Johansson, 17 were won with aces. Del Potro only served 3 aces. I guess that Del Potro struggles returning the serve.

Del Potro returning serve:

1st serve: 10/44 23%
2nd serve: 8/19 42%

Pim Pim returning serve:

1st serve: 15/45 33%
2nd serve: 3/12 25%

jayjay
10-17-2006, 07:43 PM
Bang goes the Del Potro hype.

Why would that be?:confused:

Hendu
10-17-2006, 07:46 PM
Why would that be?:confused:

He didn't win Madrid in his first participation in a Masters Series Tournament.

*Ljubica*
10-17-2006, 07:48 PM
Of the 63 points in the match won by Johansson, 17 were won with aces. Del Potro only served 3 aces. I guess that Del Potro struggles returning the serve.

JMDP had never played indoors until Saturday when he played his first Madrid quallie match, so it is not surprising he found it hard to return a serve as fast and hard as Johansson under the lights and in a completely different environment than he has ever been used to before. At his age, every game is part of a huge learning curve of experience - this was his first ever attempt at a Masters' Series event - and to get through quallies and play such a close match against the man who beat Nadal last week is nothing at all to be ashamed of. As a matter of interest - I wonder if the poster who says JMDP is "hyped" has ever actually seen him play :angel:

Joaquim
10-17-2006, 07:48 PM
Holla PimPim!

Proved the HATERS wrong.

jole
10-17-2006, 07:56 PM
Way to go Joachim! :D

Good try at least Juan.

KaxMisha
10-17-2006, 07:56 PM
Kolya will be blown off court if JJ comes in as prepared as he was today.

Highly unlikely. Davydenko is no doubt one of the best returners on the tour - possibly the best one. Nieminen, with a much weaker return, just blocked most first serves back when he defeated Pim-Pim here in Stockholm. And when I say blocked, I don't mean a good, solid, deep Federer-type block serve return, but rather just got his racket to it. When these float blocks were deep and a rally was initiated, Pim-Pim was dead. Contrary to popular belief Pim-Pim's forehand isn't that big of a shot. He can hit really hard winners off of short set-ups with it and that is what people see, but in rallies, it's nothing special. Nieminen owned him in the rallies. Now remember, Davydenko will be able to return more serves than Nieminen did and the returns will be better. Davydenko is obviously much, much better a rallier than Pim-Pim - that basically goes without saying. Hence, Pim-Pim's chances in this match do not look very good.

tennisgal_001
10-17-2006, 08:03 PM
Highly unlikely. Davydenko is no doubt one of the best returners on the tour - possibly the best one. Nieminen, with a much weaker return, just blocked most first serves back when he defeated Pim-Pim here in Stockholm. And when I say blocked, I don't mean a good, solid, deep Federer-type block serve return, but rather just got his racket to it. When these float blocks were deep and a rally was initiated, Pim-Pim was dead. Contrary to popular belief Pim-Pim's forehand isn't that big of a shot. He can hit really hard winners off of short set-ups with it and that is what people see, but in rallies, it's nothing special. Nieminen owned him in the rallies. Now remember, Davydenko will be able to return more serves than Nieminen did and the returns will be better. Davydenko is obviously much, much better a rallier than Pim-Pim - that basically goes without saying. Hence, Pim-Pim's chances in this match do not look very good.

First of all w/Nieminen, I seem to recall a certain chokejob that blew 5 set points in a row, which IMO turned the outcome of the match upside down. Del Potro's serve is much more powerful than Davydenko's, and FYI, Del Potro was putting 80% of his first serves in today. Surely, JJ will not have as much difficulty reading/returning Davydenko's serve, as he did today against JMDP. Add to that it would be his second match, and Kolya's first on the court, (i.e. he's already found his rhythm). IF JJ goes into the match as well-prepared as he was today, I consider him the favorite to go through, despite what the ranking/seeding says.

DrJules
10-17-2006, 08:11 PM
Pim Pim returning serve:

1st serve: 15/45 33%
2nd serve: 3/12 25%

Very unusual.

Normally players do better against the 2nd serve than the 1st serve:help:

DrJules
10-17-2006, 08:13 PM
Highly unlikely. Davydenko is no doubt one of the best returners on the tour - possibly the best one. Nieminen, with a much weaker return, just blocked most first serves back when he defeated Pim-Pim here in Stockholm. And when I say blocked, I don't mean a good, solid, deep Federer-type block serve return, but rather just got his racket to it. When these float blocks were deep and a rally was initiated, Pim-Pim was dead. Contrary to popular belief Pim-Pim's forehand isn't that big of a shot. He can hit really hard winners off of short set-ups with it and that is what people see, but in rallies, it's nothing special. Nieminen owned him in the rallies. Now remember, Davydenko will be able to return more serves than Nieminen did and the returns will be better. Davydenko is obviously much, much better a rallier than Pim-Pim - that basically goes without saying. Hence, Pim-Pim's chances in this match do not look very good.

Davydenko is 1st in the list of returners of the first serve. Could be significant against Johansson.

http://www.atptennis.com/en/players/matchfacts/

KaxMisha
10-17-2006, 08:17 PM
First of all w/Nieminen, I seem to recall a certain chokejob that blew 5 set points in a row, which IMO turned the outcome of the match upside down. Del Potro's serve is much more powerful than Davydenko's, and FYI, Del Potro was putting 80% of his first serves in today. Surely, JJ will not have as much difficulty reading/returning Davydenko's serve, as he did today against JMDP. Add to that it would be his second match, and Kolya's first on the court, (i.e. he's already found his rhythm). IF JJ goes into the match as well-prepared as he was today, I consider him the favorite to go through, despite what the ranking/seeding says.

He blew five set points - so what? The point wasn't that he shouldn't have won that match. The point was that even against Nieminen, who is an inferior rallier to Davydenko - and a much inferior returner, of course -, Pim-Pim couldn't stay in the rallies. Now, since Davydenko is a better rallier than Nieminen, Pim-Pim will have even more problems staying in them, and since Davydenko is a much better returner than Nieminen, there will be more rallies in Pim-Pim's service games.

As for Davydenko's serve being weaker than Del Porto's - I'm not too sure. Davydenko had many serves reaching speeds over 210 kilometers per hour in Moscow. Even if it is though, it's notreally relevant, as Pim-Pim is a pretty poor returner and seeing how Davydenko is the much superior rallier, holding won't be too much of an issue to him.

KaxMisha
10-17-2006, 08:18 PM
Davydenko is 1st in the list of returners of the first serve. Could be significant against Johansson.

http://www.atptennis.com/en/players/matchfacts/

My point exactly. :)

World Beater
10-17-2006, 08:20 PM
davydenko is an overrated returner. i mean he's good but not in federer or nalbandian's league. just look at his record against roddick..clearly davydenko owns roddick from the baseline. he must not be returning roddick's serve well.

jj's serve is as good, and probably better than roddicks.

DrJules
10-17-2006, 08:24 PM
Holla PimPim!

Proved the HATERS wrong.

He is making an impressive return from injury

DrJules
10-17-2006, 08:25 PM
jj's serve is as good, and probably better than roddicks.

jj's serve is one of the best on tour, but not as good as the Roddick serve.

KaxMisha
10-17-2006, 08:36 PM
davydenko is an overrated returner. i mean he's good but not in federer or nalbandian's league. just look at his record against roddick..clearly davydenko owns roddick from the baseline. he must not be returning roddick's serve well.

jj's serve is as good, and probably better than roddicks.

JJ is still an inferior rallier to Roddick. Davydenko is a better rallier than Roddick, as you say, but he is in a whole other league than JJ.

landoud
10-17-2006, 08:38 PM
:woohoo: 40 PAW points

musefanatic
10-17-2006, 08:40 PM
Well done Pim Pim :)

rofe
10-17-2006, 08:40 PM
Well done JJ!

World Beater
10-17-2006, 08:41 PM
JJ is still an inferior rallier to Roddick. Davydenko is a better rallier than Roddick, as you say, but he is in a whole other league than JJ.

then please explain to Dr.Jules why jj beat roddick with an inferior serve and an inferior ground game at the uso a while back. roddick still served pretty well from what i remember.

KaxMisha
10-17-2006, 08:56 PM
then please explain to Dr.Jules why jj beat roddick with an inferior serve and an inferior ground game at the uso a while back. roddick still served pretty well from what i remember.

I never said JJ's serve was inferior to Roddicks. They're different. Johansson is better at hitting aces. Whatever, that's not the point. Is there any doubt in your mind that Federer is a superior player to Safin? Please explain how Safin beat him at the Australian Open, then! I never said there was absolutely no chance Pim-Pim would beat Davydenko. All I said was that Davydenko will be the favorite. Same goes for Roddick. He is the favorite against Pim-Pim. Doesn't mean Pim-Pim has zero chance to win.

silverwhite
10-17-2006, 08:56 PM
Pim Pim :yeah:

DrJules
10-17-2006, 08:58 PM
then please explain to Dr.Jules why jj beat roddick with an inferior serve and an inferior ground game at the uso a while back. roddick still served pretty well from what i remember.

You forgot to add that Roddick also won more points in the match, but not the key points. If you look at the ATP site you will notice that Johansson won that match despite winning an incredible 24 fewer points and 45% of the points played.

World Beater
10-17-2006, 08:58 PM
I never said JJ's serve was inferior to Roddicks. They're different. Johansson is better at hitting aces. Whatever, that's not the point. Is there any doubt in your mind that Federer is a superior player to Safin? Please explain how Safin beat him at the Australian Open, then! I never said there was absolutely no chance Pim-Pim would beat Davydenko. All I said was that Davydenko will be the favorite. Same goes for Roddick. He is the favorite against Pim-Pim. Doesn't mean Pim-Pim has zero chance to win.

i know that you didnt say this...thats why i wanted you to corroborate my post because jules said roddick has a better serve. i said it was as good.

safin/federer is totally different. they have played more than once

roddick/pim pim? how many times have they played?

Björki
10-17-2006, 08:58 PM
well done Pim Pim :)

World Beater
10-17-2006, 09:00 PM
You forgot to add that Roddick also won more points in the match, but not the key points.

...that only makes it more a case of jj serving well when it mattered. any, ways, im not going to split hairs and argue why jj's serve is as good as roddicks:)

KaxMisha
10-17-2006, 09:02 PM
i know that you didnt say this...thats why i wanted you to corroborate my post because jules said roddick has a better serve. i said it was as good.

safin/federer is totally different. they have played more than once

roddick/pim pim? how many times have they played?

I don't quite see the relevance of that. Suppose that Safin plays Nadal on clay and wins - will that mean he is better on clay than Nadal? They will only have played once, and Safin would be the winner.

World Beater
10-17-2006, 09:09 PM
I don't quite see the relevance of that. Suppose that Safin plays Nadal on clay and wins - will that mean he is better on clay than Nadal? They will only have played once, and Safin would be the winner.

the only evidence we have of comparing their serves and groundgames against each other is of one meeting between jj and roddick

you cant conclude anything from one match, WHEN there have been other matches to demonstrate the opposite. thats why its silly to use federer/safin because fed has beaten him more times than not. so to pick out one win for safin and make conclusions is not correct.

we only saw one meeting between pim and roddick, and thats all we can conclude...clearly roddick is and was better off the ground in that match. it was pim pim's serve that made the difference.

I know what you are saying but i cant see any matchup issues between pim pim and roddick, that may be present with safin/nadal on any surface.

KaxMisha
10-17-2006, 09:12 PM
the only evidence we have of comparing their serves and groundgames against each other is of one meeting between jj and roddick

you cant conclude anything from one match, WHEN there have been other matches to demonstrate the opposite. thats why its silly to use federer/safin because fed has beaten him more times than not. so to pick out one win for safin and make conclusions is not correct.

we only saw one meeting between pim and roddick, and thats all we can conclude...clearly roddick is and was better off the ground in that match. it was pim pim's serve that made the difference.

That's faulty reasoning. Either we can conclude something from one match or we can't. It doesn't matter whether they have played more than match or not. With your reasoning, the scenario I presented would result in the conclusion that Safin is better than Nadal on clay.

Black Adam
10-17-2006, 09:24 PM
I thought Pim Pim had no ranking that would allow him to play in a Master Series. If he gets past Davy he can go pretty far;)

KaxMisha
10-17-2006, 09:26 PM
I thought Pim Pim had no ranking that would allow him to play in a Master Series. If he gets past Davy he can go pretty far;)

Protected ranking, probably.

Joaquim
10-17-2006, 11:50 PM
PimPim's forehand not a weapon. Lolz.

soraya
10-18-2006, 03:51 AM
JMDP had never played indoors until Saturday when he played his first Madrid quallie match, so it is not surprising he found it hard to return a serve as fast and hard as Johansson under the lights and in a completely different environment than he has ever been used to before. At his age, every game is part of a huge learning curve of experience - this was his first ever attempt at a Masters' Series event - and to get through quallies and play such a close match against the man who beat Nadal last week is nothing at all to be ashamed of. As a matter of interest - I wonder if the poster who says JMDP is "hyped" has ever actually seen him play :angel:

That is good point and I was looking forward to seen him play. Hope the TC will show it again tonight.

TMJordan
10-18-2006, 03:59 AM
:banana:PimPim:banana:

Gotta love this guy :yeah:

Primal
10-18-2006, 07:11 AM
Glad for Pim-Pim ::bigclap:
As about JMDP, I would agree with Rosie :hug:

Sommarsverige
10-18-2006, 10:30 AM
Pim Pim :yeah: :bounce:

I was at the match yesterday and it was pretty close, but Pim Pim took the deciding points and del Potro often got angry after critical decision about line calls and he lost concentration by that.
del Potro had all the support from the crowd, but he did not take his advantages!

Anyway, I am of course very happy Pim Pim won, but I am sure del Potro will have a lot of success in the future!