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Madrid Crowd... and the Ginepri's victory over López 6-1, 3-6, 6-3

*Viva Chile*
10-16-2006, 10:31 PM
Currently this public is worst than the French and chilean crowd :o

Ginepri did :rocker2: sign??? that's why the people whine???

Alvarillo
10-16-2006, 10:33 PM
of course we throw the seats to the court like in Chile ;)

Nathaliia
10-16-2006, 10:34 PM
The Swedes were doing it too. Football matches are enjoying nicer public than tennis these days :rolleyes:

Neverstopfightin
10-16-2006, 10:35 PM
Currently this public is worst than the French and chilean crowd :o

Ginepri did :rocker2: sign??? that's why the people whine???

Yeah Ginepri made that obscene gesture to the crowd but the reaction of some part of the crowd ( soccer hooligans :retard: ) has been excessive booing him during the next two or three points without stopping.

Pathetic and passive attitude from Lars Graff only saying " Gracias ":retard:

*Viva Chile*
10-16-2006, 10:38 PM
of course we throw the seats to the court like in Chile ;)

don't take too seriously my affirmation, Alvarillo. But it really surprised me that reaction, I never seen reaction like this before in Spanish crowd, at least in tennis.

Y a todo esto, qué haces aquí en MTF en este minuto si se supone que estás trabajando allá mismo en el torneo? :p

Metis
10-16-2006, 10:39 PM
I think that Ginepri was asking the umpire for a clarification because Lars said deuce although it was the 1st point of the game, but the crowd thought he was questioning the line call challenge and started booing, then Ginepri made that gesture and then all hell broke loose :lol:

mangoes
10-16-2006, 10:39 PM
This Madrid crowd makes France look like a walk in the park. Isn't the hawkeye suppose to be a crowd pleaser?? If anything, it's just provoking this crowd to more nonsense.

Ginepri talked the Lars.........did the crowd have to act like that?? And as for Lars.......Idiot!!

Alvarillo
10-16-2006, 10:40 PM
don't take too seriously my affirmation, Alvarillo. But it really surprised me that reaction, I never seen reaction like this before in Spanish crowd, at least in tennis.

Y a todo esto, qué haces aquí en MTF en este minuto si se supone que estás trabajando allá mismo en el torneo? :p

joe que quieres que me exploten? jajaja
naa, ya he acabado he estado de jueves hasta hoy por la mañana en el aeropuerto y ya acabé, asi que a disfrutar del tenis ;)
:p

Neverstopfightin
10-16-2006, 10:42 PM
This Madrid crowd makes France look like a walk in the park.

Do not compare french crowd reaction in Grosjean-Nadal's match with this one :silly:

I think you have seen very few matches in your life

smucav
10-16-2006, 10:45 PM
I think that Ginepri was asking the umpire for a clarification because Lars said deuce although it was the 1st point of the game, but the crowd thought he was questioning the line call challenge and started booing, then Ginepri made that gesture and then all hell broke loose :lol:That's exactly what happened. Lars had also called the score wrong earlier in the set after a challenge (deuce instead of second serve to Ginepri) & Ginepri had to question him then as well. He wasn't arguing about the Hawkeye either time, just trying to get the right score.

Deboogle!.
10-16-2006, 10:45 PM
what gesture exactly did Robby do?

Metis
10-16-2006, 10:45 PM
If Ginepri eventually holds to win the match, I think that the crowd will not forget. He will probably have them against him all the way...

Sunset of Age
10-16-2006, 10:46 PM
This Madrid crowd makes France look like a walk in the park. Isn't the hawkeye suppose to be a crowd pleaser?? If anything, it's just provoking this crowd to more nonsense.

Ginepri talked the Lars.........did the crowd have to act like that?? At least Ginepri did the geasture:D Well deserved response from him to them. And as for Lars.......Idiot!!

I noticed that at the USO too - the idiotic reactions from the crowd when a player calls a challenge. A great part of the crowd doesn't seem to understand the purpose of the hawkeye. Or is too bloddy RUDE to show any respect to the players in the first place. I think it's a very bad development to have increasingly rude and disrespecting crowds.
It ain't football, por favor! :mad:

If this is the direction tennis fans are heading into than I feel very :sad:

Neverstopfightin
10-16-2006, 10:47 PM
what gesture exactly did Robby do?



Look at the position of the fingers in this smilie :rocker2:

Lee
10-16-2006, 10:49 PM
Look at the position of the fingers in this smilie :rocker2:

The missing one?

Deboogle!.
10-16-2006, 10:49 PM
That's all he did? And that caused the crowd to boo at him? I mean, Robby's not usually an antagonistic player...

Neverstopfightin
10-16-2006, 10:49 PM
Apart from the pathetic attitude of some part of the crowd, also pathetic the lack of manners from Ginepri not apologizing . What a prick :silly:

Lee
10-16-2006, 10:50 PM
Why Ginepri has to apologize?

Deboogle!.
10-16-2006, 10:50 PM
What should he apologize for exactly?


edit: great minds, Lee;)

Neverstopfightin
10-16-2006, 10:52 PM
What should he apologize for exactly?

Because he has made a gesture that the crowd has interpreted it as something like " fuck you morons "

Lee
10-16-2006, 10:52 PM
What should he apologize for exactly?


edit: great minds, Lee;)

I almost add the edit part too :lol:

revolution
10-16-2006, 10:52 PM
Nothing wrong with what he did, I phucking hate crowds like that who have no clue about tennis or why he appeals to the umpire.

Deboogle!.
10-16-2006, 10:52 PM
Because he has made a gesture that the crowd has interpreted it as something like " fuck you morons "So he shoudl apologize for not doing anything wrong? It's not his fault if the crowd misinterpreted it.

LOL Lee! :yeah:

*Viva Chile*
10-16-2006, 10:53 PM
Apart from the pathetic attitude of some part of the crowd, also pathetic the lack of manners from Ginepri not apologizing . What a prick :silly:

He apologized to Lopez after (he holds up the racket), but I think the people just overeacted. I hope he apologize in the press conference ;)

Lee
10-16-2006, 10:54 PM
Well, since the crowd didn't apologize for booing him without good/right reason, I really don't see Ginepri needs to apologize for his reaction.

Neverstopfightin
10-16-2006, 10:54 PM
So he shoudl apologize for not doing anything wrong? It's not his fault if the crowd misinterpreted it.

LOL Lee! :yeah:

I'm sure that if Rafa had been the same gesture at Flushing Meadows against Blake the crowd would have interpreted a gesture of love and peace from Rafa to Newyorkers :rolleyes: .

The problem was the intention of the gesture because it's true that there are gestures much more obscene .

Lullaby
10-16-2006, 10:56 PM
I am not a fan of Ginepri, far from it but was cheering him on after the crowd kept going on like that lol

To be honest I think it made him play better at the end !

Deboogle!.
10-16-2006, 10:57 PM
the :rocker2: hand sign is not seen as something mean in America, so I don't think Rafa would be booed at the USO for doing such, no.

Regenbogen
10-16-2006, 10:58 PM
It was brilliant. I love mad crowds like that :haha:

Does that make me a horrible person :lol:

GlennMirnyi
10-16-2006, 10:58 PM
Hey, that was awful.
Ginepri was totally right for some reasons, here they are:
1 - Costa was talking to Lopez as if they were training. Graff did NOTHING. Ridiculous
2 - The crowd was booing second serves.
3 - Lopez is a moron. Cramps after playing for an hour and twenty-six minutes? You've got to be kidding me.

I'm really glad that Robby won and shut up this ridiculous crowd. Why do they make a MS tournament there? They don't deserve it.

*Viva Chile*
10-16-2006, 11:00 PM
I'm sure that if Rafa had been the same gesture at Flushing Meadows against Blake the crowd would have interpreted a gesture of love and peace from Rafa to Newyorkers :rolleyes: .

The problem was the intention of the gesture because it's true that there are gestures much more obscene .

Exactly.
I think that type of signs doesn't mean the same in every part of the world.

For me, the :rocker2: sign means the same that americans mean. But I'm sure that a lot of people in my country, especially adult people (like dads, moms) don't take it in a good form too ;)

Neverstopfightin
10-16-2006, 11:00 PM
Well, since the crowd didn't apologize for booing him without good/right reason, I really don't see Ginepri needs to apologize for his reaction.

Before the incident it's true that a minimal part of the crowd whistled every time Robby protested to the umpire, but this happens in all the tournaments in the world :shrug: . The problem was after Robby's gesture to the crowd that it began the storm , but before that moment the reaction of the crowd was quite normal

RickDaStick
10-16-2006, 11:00 PM
So what did Ginepri do? i think im missing the post of what gesture he actually made

Yappa
10-16-2006, 11:01 PM
Yeah, sorry for the confusion in the OOP thread. That's the sign he did as you can see on the 4th image.

http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/7765/ginepri1su8.jpghttp://img123.imageshack.us/img123/3084/ginepri2eq8.jpg
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/3260/ginepri3ni4.jpghttp://img123.imageshack.us/img123/2555/ginepri4md5.jpg

Neverstopfightin
10-16-2006, 11:02 PM
.For me means the same that americans mean. But I'm sure that a lot of people in my country, especially adult people (like dads, moms) don't take it in a good form too ;)

Entonces si un dia en medio de un partido de la Davis en Chile Nadal hace ese mismo gesto , cual seria la reaccion de la gente ??. Solo por curiosidad

revolution
10-16-2006, 11:02 PM
I bet Deivid was the only one NOT booing at the end :p

*Viva Chile*
10-16-2006, 11:05 PM
Entonces si un dia en medio de un partido de la Davis en Chile Nadal hace ese mismo gesto , cual seria la reaccion de la gente ??. Solo por curiosidad

Depende. Si una parte del público la toma a mal, el resto del público que no lo vio o que no lo tomó a mal igual le seguiría a los que empezaron con tal de provocar al rival :rolleyes:

Neverstopfightin
10-16-2006, 11:05 PM
the :rocker2: hand sign is not seen as something mean in America, so I don't think Rafa would be booed at the USO for doing such, no.

Then can you translate what was the message of Robby to the crowd with that sign ??

Neverstopfightin
10-16-2006, 11:06 PM
Depende. Si una parte del público la toma a mal, el resto del público que no lo vio o que no lo tomó a mal igual comenzaría a alegar con tal de provocar al rival.

Si un jugador español o mejor aun argentino hiciera ese gesto no sale vivo de alli , dejemosnos de cuentos ;)

Yappa
10-16-2006, 11:08 PM
Hey, that was awful.
Ginepri was totally right for some reasons, here they are:
1 - Costa was talking to Lopez as if they were training. Graff did NOTHING. Ridiculous

At first not, but later he told Lopez to make him stop. According to Lopez, Costa just shouted "Vamos".


2 - The crowd was booing second serves.
3 - Lopez is a moron. Cramps after playing for an hour and twenty-six minutes? You've got to be kidding me.

lol, I agree. He took the timeout just after he got broken in the 3rd set. Good way to try breaking his opponents momentum. :)


I'm really glad that Robby won and shut up this ridiculous crowd. Why do they make a MS tournament there? They don't deserve it.

Oh well, just wait until the AMS in Paris. I am sure the french crowd can do even better :devil:

*Viva Chile*
10-16-2006, 11:09 PM
Si un jugador español o mejor aun argentino hiciera ese gesto no sale vivo de alli , dejemosnos de cuentos ;)

mmm... no lo se, igual siento que el público chileno aprendió después del "asunto de las sillas", gracias al castigo impuesto esa vez por la ITF.

Yappa
10-16-2006, 11:11 PM
Then can you translate what was the message of Robby to the crowd with that sign ??

"Yo, peace homies." :D

But he shouldnt have done that. If you're playing against a home player, it doesnt matter too much what you do.

KoOlMaNsEaN
10-16-2006, 11:13 PM
It was pathetic and embarrasing for the tsnnis community to witness that immature display of patriotism. If I was ginepri I would have sat down and waited for them to shutup or call the supervisor.

Metis
10-16-2006, 11:13 PM
"Yo, peace homies." :D

:haha:

Yappa
10-16-2006, 11:14 PM
It was pathetic and embarrasing for the tsnnis community to witness that immature display of patriotism. If I was ginepri I would have sat down and waited for them to shutup or call the supervisor.

Ginepri didnt look impressed. He served "into the booing". :D
In the rallys the crowd booed when he hit the ball, while they cheered when the Spaniard hit it.

GlennMirnyi
10-16-2006, 11:15 PM
At first not, but later he told Lopez to make him stop. According to Lopez, Costa just shouted "Vamos".


Yeah, he told Lopez to stop, but only after two sets of constant chatter. Referees aren't supposed to ask some stuff. He should warn and then penalty. They don't respect.

Neverstopfightin
10-16-2006, 11:15 PM
mmm... no lo se, igual siento que el público chileno aprendió después del "asunto de las sillas", gracias al castigo impuesto esa vez por la ITF.

Al final me has dado la razon . El publico chileno interpretaria que el gesto del jugador español/argentino habria sido hecho con mala intencion , con la intencion de desprecio al publico y entonces la temperatura corporal del publico se duplicaria .

Por mucho que ese gesto en Estados Unidos tenga diferentes connotaciones, no me creo que su intencion no fuera sino la de mandarle un recadito al publico , y este lo ha entendido como una provocacion y de alli ha nacido todo.

La actitud del publico me ha parecido patetica, pero que el gesto de Ginepri ha sido de muy mala educacion tambien me lo parece, por mucho que nuestros amigos americanos y canadienses quieran justificar lo injustificable .

Con lo facil que hubiera sido disculparse haciendo un gesto de perdon , y ya esta :shrug:

Sunset of Age
10-16-2006, 11:18 PM
VAMOS, Robbie!!!

Lee
10-16-2006, 11:19 PM
If I remember correctly, that hand sign means #7 for Chinese. :tape:

Lee
10-16-2006, 11:20 PM
La actitud del publico me ha parecido patetica, pero que el gesto de Ginepri ha sido de muy mala educacion tambien me lo parece, por mucho que nuestros amigos americanos y canadienses quieran justificar lo injustificable .



If you really have something to say to Deb and me, please address to us.

And it's pretty bad manner talking about someone else using a language that whom you addressed don't know (or you think they don't know)

Neverstopfightin
10-16-2006, 11:21 PM
If you really have something to say to Deb and me, please address to us.

I'm talking to a chilean person

Yeah when I have said " canadienses " , I was referring to you , but nothing offensive to you

Hendu
10-16-2006, 11:23 PM
Al final me has dado la razon . El publico chileno interpretaria que el gesto del jugador español/argentino habria sido hecho con mala intencion , con la intencion de desprecio al publico y entonces la temperatura corporal del publico se duplicaria .

Por mucho que ese gesto en Estados Unidos tenga diferentes connotaciones, no me creo que su intencion no fuera sino la de mandarle un recadito al publico , y este lo ha entendido como una provocacion y de alli ha nacido todo.

La actitud del publico me ha parecido patetica, pero que el gesto de Ginepri ha sido de muy mala educacion tambien me lo parece, por mucho que nuestros amigos americanos y canadienses quieran justificar lo injustificable .

Con lo facil que hubiera sido disculparse haciendo un gesto de perdon , y ya esta :shrug:

Estoy de acuerdo.

Lee
10-16-2006, 11:23 PM
I'm talking to a chilean person

Yeah " canadienses " was for you

Yes, that's very bad manner of you.

nobama
10-16-2006, 11:25 PM
Why bring Nadal into this discussion?

Lee
10-16-2006, 11:27 PM
Why bring Nadal into this discussion?

That's the rule of MTF. No matter what's the topic, it will eventually end up with Nadal and/or Federer in it.

This starts with tournament in Madrid, so Nadal was brought in first but I guess sooner or later, Federer and Switzerland will be involved. :shrug:

revolution
10-16-2006, 11:28 PM
Gaudio got booed last year in Paris so it wouldn't surprise me if someone gets a load of stick there.

Neverstopfightin
10-16-2006, 11:29 PM
Yes, that's very bad manner of you.

:rolls:

Ok , I definitely see english-speaking countries interpretations are very different from latin countries interpretations .

If you think I have shown bad manners only for talking to a person and make a little mention to another person ( in this case you ) without being offensive at all this mention I see our cultures are very different . It's a waste of time to argue :shrug:

JW10S
10-16-2006, 11:32 PM
The crowd acted abhorently. The umpire should have called a let during the 1st point they started to jeer and admonished them. It was embarrassing to watch.

(BTW, this board is SO much better to read now that I've switched off all the signatures.)

nobama
10-16-2006, 11:33 PM
That's the rule of MTF. No matter what's the topic, it will eventually end up with Nadal and/or Federer in it.

This starts with tournament in Madrid, so Nadal was brought in first but I guess sooner or later, Federer and Switzerland will be involved. :shrug:
I don't get it. Giving this crowd a thumbs down for their behavior today has nothing to do with Nadal. It's not like it's his hometown tournament. He's not even from Madrid. :shrug:

Rafa = Fed Killa
10-16-2006, 11:35 PM
I love the new in your face tennis crowds. Might be enough to get some of the pantywaists out of this sport.

Federer vs. Nadal will be great. MTF's god getting humiliated by both Nadal and the crowd.

GlennMirnyi
10-16-2006, 11:35 PM
If you really have something to say to Deb and me, please address to us.

And it's pretty bad manner talking about someone else using a language that whom you addressed don't know (or you think they don't know)

La actitud del publico me ha parecido patetica, pero que el gesto de Ginepri ha sido de muy mala educacion tambien me lo parece, por mucho que nuestros amigos americanos y canadienses quieran justificar lo injustificable .

That's:
The crowd's manner looks pathetic to me, but Ginepri's gesture looks very ill-mannered to me too, as much as our canadian and american friends want to justify the unjustifiable.

Very bad manner indeed talking in another language without the translation.

Neverstopfightin
10-16-2006, 11:36 PM
Why bring Nadal into this discussion?

I see your trolling work doesn't stop ever.

I was only looking for an example using an american and spanish player, as tonight case, but in a match played in USA , and I remembered that some reactions of the crowd during Blake-Nadal's match last year were criticized .

That's all

mangoes
10-16-2006, 11:36 PM
Do not compare french crowd reaction in Grosjean-Nadal's match with this one :silly:

I think you have seen very few matches in your life


Why shouldn't I?? In the very "few" matches I've seen in my life, I've never seen a crowd act the way Madrid did, today, while a point was being played. And I do think the crowd's reaction was rediculous. All Robbie did was ask a question of Lars. Robbie deserves a sorry from the crowd, not the other way around.

Obviamente, usted siente una necesidad de defender su muchedumbre espanola, pero usted parece mudo. La muchedumbre Madrilena no era agradable, el final del sujeto. De este modo, DEJE de actuar ESTUPIDO.

Rafa = Fed Killa
10-16-2006, 11:38 PM
The french crowd was much worse against Nadal.

GlennMirnyi
10-16-2006, 11:39 PM
Why shouldn't I?? In the very "few" matches I've seen in my life, I've never seen a crowd act the way Madrid did, today, while a point was being played. And I do think the crowd's reaction was rediculous. All Robbie did was ask a question of Lars. Robbie deserves a sorry from the crowd, not the other way around.

Obviamente, usted siente una necesidad de defender su muchedumbre espanola, pero usted parece mudo. La muchedumbre Madrilena no era agradable, el final del sujeto. De este modo, DEJE de actuar ESTUPIDO.

You're asking him something impossible.

Lee
10-16-2006, 11:39 PM
:rolls:

Ok , I definitely see english-speaking countries interpretations are very different from latin countries interpretations .

If you think I have shown bad manners only for talking to a person and make a little mention to another person ( in this case you ) without being offensive at all this mention I see our cultures are very different . It's a waste of time to argue :shrug:

Exactly!

But you're the one that saying that gesture is not justifiable no matter what Deb and I interpret it. (I know that's not exactly what you wrote as my Spanish is not good enough to translate it correctly but I do get the meaning)

Peace out!

GlennMirnyi
10-16-2006, 11:40 PM
The french crowd was much worse against Nadal.

He deserves it, as he's always provoking his opponent. Ginepri was quiet 'till that gesture and was being booed between serves.

mangoes
10-16-2006, 11:43 PM
The french crowd was much worse against Nadal.

I don't think so, and that's my opinion:shrug: But, if this had happened in the US, Americans would be bashed from here to kingdom come........ I don't see the need to defend Madrid. What happened wasn't nice and I don't think Ginepri talking to Lars was worthy of such BS. Madrid's crowd wasn't nice today, that's all that needs to be said. End of subject for me.

Pepper LaRue
10-16-2006, 11:43 PM
Suddenly "metal fist" is an insult? Since when?

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/Pepper-LaRue/uptheirons.gif

Lee
10-16-2006, 11:45 PM
Suddenly "metal fist" is an insult? Since when?

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/Pepper-LaRue/uptheirons.gif

Different cultures at different times have a different interpretation of same sign or slang. :shrug:

GlennMirnyi
10-16-2006, 11:49 PM
Wow, so Black Sabbath can't play in Madrid... :lol:

Neverstopfightin
10-16-2006, 11:52 PM
Obviamente, usted siente una necesidad de defender su muchedumbre espanola, pero usted parece mudo. La muchedumbre Madrilena no era agradable, el final del sujeto. De este modo, DEJE de actuar ESTUPIDO.

1) Lo unico que he hecho es dar mi opinion , y esta no ha sido mas que criticar duramente la reaccion del publico , pero tambien criticar el gesto provocador de Ginepri, que por muchas connotaciones diferentes que tenga dicho gesto en los Estados Unidos , no me creo que dicho gesto no haya sido hecho con muy mala intencion .
Es por eso que la mala educacion ha venido tanto por una parte (publico ) como por la del norteramericano .

Como vera , yo no soy un nacionalista como si que parecen ustedes que no critican para nada a su jugador , en cambio yo no tengo ningun problema en criticar a la aficion del pais donde vivo.

Asi que lecciones de objetividad y ecuanimidad ni tu , ni todo tu pais me las va a dar . Entendido ??

2) No tengo ninguna necesidad de defender al publico español , porque a pesar de ser el pais donde vivo no me representa absolutamente para nada , y yo fui el primero en criticar duramente la actitud del publico hace años en el partido entre Ferrero y Wayne Ferreira.

3) Si la aficion de Madrid es agradable o desagradable me importa bien poco , porque no soy de Madrid , pero le vuelvo a repetir que ha visto muy pocos partidos de tenis en su vida , y de cada vez me lo demuestra mas con sus comentarios.

4) " Deje de actuar estupido " ?? . La unica respuesta que tengo para eso , es que deje de actuar y hablar con la bandera de los Estados Unidos a su lado .

Como veo que esta aprendiendo la lengua cervantina, permitame enseñarle un refran ( por si aun no lo conoce ) y que dice " Mira primero la viga en tu ojo y no la paja en el ojo ajeno ".

Kalliopeia
10-16-2006, 11:52 PM
The gesture he made doesn't mean anything bad in the United States, and Ginepri is American after all. He probably just didn't realize that it means something completely different in Spain. Or maybe he did, is he the type who would deliberately antagonize the crowd? I haven't seen enough of him to know, though he doesn't seem to be.

*Viva Chile*
10-16-2006, 11:53 PM
Wow, so Black Sabbath can't play in Madrid... :lol:

neither any metal band, including massacration (brazilean metal-parody band) :lol:

mangoes
10-17-2006, 12:02 AM
1) Lo unico que he hecho es dar mi opinion , y esta no ha sido mas que criticar duramente la reaccion del publico , pero tambien criticar el gesto provocador de Ginepri, que por muchas connotaciones diferentes que tenga dicho gesto en los Estados Unidos , no me creo que dicho gesto no haya sido hecho con muy mala intencion .
Es por eso que la mala educacion ha venido tanto por una parte (publico ) como por la del norteramericano .

Como vera , yo no soy un nacionalista como si que parecen ustedes que no critican para nada a su jugador , en cambio yo no tengo ningun problema en criticar a la aficion del pais donde vivo.

Asi que lecciones de objetividad y ecuanimidad ni tu , ni todo tu pais me las va a dar . Entendido ??

2) No tengo ninguna necesidad de defender al publico español , porque a pesar de ser el pais donde vivo no me representa absolutamente para nada , y yo fui el primero en criticar duramente la actitud del publico hace años en el partido entre Ferrero y Wayne Ferreira.

3) Si la aficion de Madrid es agradable o desagradable me importa bien poco , porque no soy de Madrid , pero le vuelvo a repetir que ha visto muy pocos partidos de tenis en su vida , y de cada vez me lo demuestra mas con sus comentarios.

4) " Deje de actuar estupido " ?? . La unica respuesta que tengo para eso , es que deje de actuar y hablar con la bandera de los Estados Unidos a su lado .

Como veo que esta aprendiendo la lengua cervantina, permitame enseñarle un refran ( por si aun no lo conoce ) y que dice " Mira primero la viga en tu ojo y no la paja en el ojo ajeno ".


Que tienen que ver los Estados Unidos con este? Usted ha perdido la credibilidad en mis ojos. No tengo que ser de espana para reconocer la actitud terrible de la muchedumbre de hoy. Y aviso, no ataco Madrid o espanoles. Hablo de una muchedumbre especifica. Mire usted, solo cerrado. Si la muchedumbre actua como este hacia Roger, entonces tomare el tiempo para ser realmente una perra. Pero por el momento, soy terminado con este sujeto. La muchedumbre no era agradable hoy. Esto es mi opinión.

NYCtennisfan
10-17-2006, 12:06 AM
Wow, so Black Sabbath can't play in Madrid... :lol:

:lol:

GlennMirnyi
10-17-2006, 12:12 AM
neither any metal band, including massacration (brazilean metal-parody band) :lol:

Massacration!!!!! How do you know about that??? :worship: :worship: :worship:

Let's face it guys, heavy metal is forbidden in Spain 'cause it's a :devil: thing and Spaniards are fervorous catholics.

Neverstopfightin
10-17-2006, 12:12 AM
Que tienen que ver los Estados Unidos con este? .

Jajajajaja . ¿ Que tiene que ver ?? .1) Ginepri es norteamericano . 2) Ese gesto parece ser que tiene connotaciones diferentes en Estados Unidos . 3) Las personas que discrepan conmigo son norteamericanas ( en el sentido " continental " )

Que conste, que yo no he criticado para nada a tu pais , pero es inevitable que en una conversacion como esta se tenga que hacer mencion a el


Usted ha perdido la credibilidad en mis ojos. No tengo que ser de espana para reconocer la actitud terrible de la muchedumbre de hoy. Y aviso, no ataco Madrid o espanoles. Hablo de una muchedumbre especifica. Mire usted, solo cerrado. Si la muchedumbre actua como este hacia Roger, entonces tomare el tiempo para ser realmente una hembra. Pero por el momento, soy terminado con este sujeto. La muchedumbre no era agradable hoy. Esto es mi opinión.

Lo tendre que repetir mas alto porque parece ser que no lo entiende QUE YO HE SIDO EL PRIMERO EN CRITICAR AL PUBLICO DE MADRID , PERO QUE POR MUCHOS CUENTOS QUE ME CONTEIS NO ME CREO QUE DICHO GESTO NO HAYA SIDO UN GESTO DESPECTIVO Y CON MALA INTENCION POR SU PARTE. Es muy simple de entender , que yo no hablo mirando banderas como tu si que haces . Te vuelvo a repetir que tu no me vas a dar lecciones de ecuanimidad .

Adios, bye , agur

*Viva Chile*
10-17-2006, 12:13 AM
Que tienen que ver los Estados Unidos con este? Usted ha perdido la credibilidad en mis ojos. No tengo que ser de espana para reconocer la actitud terrible de la muchedumbre de hoy. Y aviso, no ataco Madrid o espanoles. Hablo de una muchedumbre especifica. Mire usted, solo cerrado. Si la muchedumbre actua como este hacia Roger, entonces tomare el tiempo para ser realmente una hembra. Pero por el momento, soy terminado con este sujeto. La muchedumbre no era agradable hoy. Esto es mi opinión.

:confused:

GlennMirnyi
10-17-2006, 12:15 AM
Wanna talk Spanish, go to the Spanish-talking part of the forum.

Sunset of Age
10-17-2006, 12:19 AM
I love the new in your face tennis crowds. Might be enough to get some of the pantywaists out of this sport.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

*Viva Chile*
10-17-2006, 12:21 AM
Massacration!!!!! How do you know about that??? :worship: :worship: :worship:


:topic:
they are very popular here ;) thanks to youtube, google video, ares, torrents, etc. :lol:

Pepper LaRue
10-17-2006, 12:23 AM
Wow, so Black Sabbath can't play in Madrid...

:haha:

I guess Judas Priest is out too, huh? :devil:

Neverstopfightin
10-17-2006, 12:24 AM
Well at least this time Mangoes hasn't bad repped me for religious reasons :lol: . It's nice to see.

Sunset of Age
10-17-2006, 12:24 AM
:haha:

I guess Judas Priest is out too, huh? :devil:

It's getting high time for SLAYER to play Madrid. Heh.
The band, I mean. :devil:

mangoes
10-17-2006, 12:28 AM
Well at least this time Mangoes hasn't bad repped me for religious reasons :lol: . It's nice to see.

Oh you said that in English, didn't you........why didn't you say everything else in English??

:confused:
I corrected it, thanks Viva Chile

Johnny Groove
10-17-2006, 12:30 AM
wow, so now everyone can use the google translator and can speak Spanish? :rolls:

GlennMirnyi
10-17-2006, 12:49 AM
:topic:
they are very popular here ;) thanks to youtube, google video, ares, torrents, etc. :lol:

:haha:
Never thought their reputation would get so far!!! I met those guys, they're great! :worship:

Peoples
10-17-2006, 12:51 AM
I love the new in your face tennis crowds. Might be enough to get some of the pantywaists out of this sport.

Federer vs. Nadal will be great. MTF's god getting humiliated by both Nadal and the crowd.
The only thing this crowd is humiliating is itself and Spanish fans in general. But guys, although this kind of stuff is unacceptable during a tennis match, don't even compare this to the racist Spanish football crowds. They sing monkey chants at even their own team's black players, they're much worse.

buddyholly
10-17-2006, 12:55 AM
Five Spaniards up - five Spaniards down. Hopefully four more will fall tomorrow and then the Madrid Eurotrash can stay home and leave the tournament to the real tennis fans.
A very dignified performance from Ginepri.

idolwatcher1
10-17-2006, 12:56 AM
Trust me when I say that Robby did NOT mean to anger the Madrid crowd.

I have seen Robby gesture in the EXACT same way, and it is when he has won a good point, won a match, or his challenge to a line call is justified!

Here is Robby using the same gesture in Bangkok just a couple weeks ago!

http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/sp/getty/54/full.getty-tennis-tha-usa_6_12_39_am.jpg

Robby is one of the sweetest guys, and has always been respectful to his opponents regardless of what's going on in a match! In fact, the Madrid crowd booed him last year for throwing his raquet down after he had made a string of Unforced Errors in the tiebreak against Nadal and he threw his hands up as if to say "I'm sorry"... :hug:

buddyholly
10-17-2006, 12:57 AM
I am very naive. What does that sign mean? I thought it was the Texas Longhorns.

Deboogle!.
10-17-2006, 01:01 AM
I am very naive. What does that sign mean? I thought it was the Texas Longhorns.Yes, essentially, which is why Andy does it to thank the crowd a lot. I dunno why Robby does it :scratch:

I believe it's also sign language for "I love you" - yes surely something evil :o

disturb3d
10-17-2006, 01:04 AM
Did anyone else notice Robby mouth "fuck you all" after the sign?

I thought it was a nice touch.

Tennis Fool
10-17-2006, 01:08 AM
I haven't read through this whole thread, but I know that when you go to other countries, you have to be careful about throwing signs, as they may mean something different in the place you visit. For example, isn't the "Peace Sign" analagous to "Fuck You" in Australia?

buddyholly
10-17-2006, 01:12 AM
Did anyone else notice Robby mouth "fuck you all" after the sign?

I thought it was a nice touch.

On my TV picture he had his back to the camera when he made the sign.
Oh wait, I suppose in the antipodes he was facing the camera.

buddyholly
10-17-2006, 01:16 AM
Jajajajaja . ¿ Que tiene que ver ?? .1) Ginepri es norteamericano . 2) Ese gesto parece ser que tiene connotaciones diferentes en Estados Unidos . 3) Las personas que discrepan conmigo son norteamericanas ( en el sentido " continental " )



OK, I read the whole thread and can not find one single explanation of the meaning of the sign. So if nobody knows what it means, it can hardly be insulting.

Neverstopwhining: Explica lo que signifique el gesto en Madrid, o mejor, callate.

Rafalution
10-17-2006, 01:21 AM
Spanish fans, do the ultras sur watch rafa play when he's in Madrid? I know Madridistas like becks, raul and iker watch him. I think some ultras support rafa aswell seeing as that he's a madridista aswell

If they do, I advise Ginepri to not anger the madrid crowd when ultras are watching. They will literally stab him

*Viva Chile*
10-17-2006, 01:22 AM
Please, people said to Andy that don't make "the sign" on Madrid :lol:

http://st.blog.cz/a/andreagassi.blog.cz/obrazky/4459911.jpg

buddyholly
10-17-2006, 01:30 AM
Spanish fans, do the ultras sur watch rafa play when he's in Madrid? I know Madridistas like becks, raul and iker watch him. I think some ultras support rafa aswell seeing as that he's a madridista aswell

If they do, I advise Ginepri to not anger the madrid crowd when ultras are watching. They will literally stab him

I suppose that loss to Getafe has put the Madrilenyos in a fouler mood than usual.

*Viva Chile*
10-17-2006, 01:31 AM
I suppose that loss to Getafe has put the Madrilenyos in a fouler mood than usual.

It's not the same to say "Madrileños" que "Madrilistas". RM supporters = Madrilistas

tangerine_dream
10-17-2006, 01:39 AM
Unless I missed someone's answer, has it been comfirmed that this particular hand gesture is indeed considered rude and impolite in Madrid?

Just by looking at that fourth pic Four:Love posted I can almost understand why some people in the crowd would get angry by the gesture: with Ginepri's back to the ump, his hand kind of angled--and depending on where you sat in the stadium--it very well could look like Robby was flipping the chair umpire off.

We know he didn't of course, Robby is not known for such behavior. :)

Deboogle!.
10-17-2006, 01:39 AM
Please, people said to Andy that don't make "the sign" on Madrid :lol:Oh god, he does it all the time :sobbing: But I've never seen him do it DURING a match lol

buddyholly
10-17-2006, 01:47 AM
Unless I missed someone's answer, has it been comfirmed that this particular hand gesture is indeed considered rude and impolite in Madrid?


I read the whole thread and as far as I can see everyone who wants to apologise for the Madrid Eurotrash says that Ginepri made a rude gesture, thus deserving the abuse.
The funny thing is, not one of them has attempted to say what the gesture means in Madrid.

gusman890
10-17-2006, 01:49 AM
Not to be rude, but the spanish crowd, i feel acted a little too "over the top".

SOOO robby made ONE sign, suddenly osama is attacking new york again, i mean come on people, Robby was probally a rocker kid growing up and he does that in celebration when the right descion or peace has been sereved.

if the spanish crowd starts to react to something as little as that, then thats their problem for being judgemental.

they are VERY aware that Robby is american, we have our own perks like they do as well. and if they take offense to ours, they shouldnt open their mouths when they scream vamos and jump around like little monkeys on our home turf.

amen :)

tangerine_dream
10-17-2006, 01:50 AM
I read the whole thread and as far as I can see everyone who wants to apologise for the Madrid Eurotrash says that Ginepri made a rude gesture, thus deserving the abuse.
The funny thing is, not one of them has attempted to say what the gesture means in Madrid.
Exactly. The only one here who seems to have taken offense is Neverstopfighting. :shrug:

buddyholly
10-17-2006, 01:53 AM
I haven't read through this whole thread, but I know that when you go to other countries, you have to be careful about throwing signs, as they may mean something different in the place you visit. For example, isn't the "Peace Sign" analagous to "Fuck You" in Australia?

The peace sign was actually Churchill's V for victory sign, done with the palm facing forward. In Britain, and probably in Australia, the same sign with the back of the hand facing forward, does indeed mean ''F**K YOU"

cath777
10-17-2006, 01:54 AM
According to Wikipedia, Ginepri may have been taunting Lopez with the message that his wife is cheating on him :scratch:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil_horns

GlennMirnyi
10-17-2006, 01:55 AM
Lars tried to fork Ginepri before, in this game.
Ginepri was serving, 40-30 and hit and ace. Lopez challenge and the first serve was out. Lars says "deuce". Had not Ginepri complained, he would have lose the point.

cobalt60
10-17-2006, 01:55 AM
According to Wikipedia, Ginepri may have been taunting Lopez with the message that his wife is cheating on him :scratch:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil_horns

:haha:

buddyholly
10-17-2006, 01:55 AM
Exactly. The only one here who seems to have taken offense is Neverstopfighting. :shrug:

He should have called himself "Neverstopshadowboxing''

GlennMirnyi
10-17-2006, 01:56 AM
According to Wikipedia, Ginepri may have been taunting Lopez with the message that his wife is cheating on him :scratch:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil_horns

Yeah, here that sign means "heavy metal" and "corno" (a nickname for a betrayed husband).

Lee
10-17-2006, 01:57 AM
According to Wikipedia, Ginepri may have been taunting Lopez with the message that his wife is cheating on him :scratch:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil_horns

:spit:

Thanks!

Corey Feldman
10-17-2006, 01:57 AM
:rocker2: :rocker2: to Neverstopfighting

burro.

Lee
10-17-2006, 01:58 AM
If I remember correctly, that hand sign means #7 for Chinese. :tape:

I post this before any pictures and the actual sign. The hand sign for #7 should have the thumb out too instead of the index and little finger.

tangerine_dream
10-17-2006, 02:00 AM
Is giving a black guy the middle finger considered RUDE in France? ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zre20p2L8Gc

ps. I love Jimmy Connors.

buddyholly
10-17-2006, 02:00 AM
:haha:

Well, where have you been, getting over a hangover? If you had posted this Wikipedia at the beginning this thread should have been closed already. You can edit Wikipedia can't you. Maybe I will add that it also means ''Umpire sucks today.''

Was it someone in Alice in Wonderland that said ''It means exactly what I want it to mean.''

Regenbogen
10-17-2006, 02:02 AM
According to Wikipedia, Ginepri may have been taunting Lopez with the message that his wife is cheating on him :scratch:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil_horns

:haha: :haha: :haha:

cobalt60
10-17-2006, 02:05 AM
Well, where have you been, getting over a hangover? If you had posted this Wikipedia at the beginning this thread should have been closed already. You can edit Wikipedia can't you. Maybe I will add that it also means ''Umpire sucks today.''

Was it someone in Alice in Wonderland that said ''It means exactly what I want it to mean.''

I love you too BH :rocker2:
Actually I was at a dinner, then spent time with the family who give me neverendinglove;)

buddyholly
10-17-2006, 02:08 AM
BH :rocker2:


Booooooooooo, hisssssssssssssssss, yowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwl.

cobalt60
10-17-2006, 02:16 AM
Booooooooooo, hisssssssssssssssss, yowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwl.

I suppose depending which country you are in at the moment, you can take it anyway you like. Is this better? :kiss: my.....:p

Daniel
10-17-2006, 02:43 AM
They better behave properly when Roger plays.

Yappa
10-17-2006, 03:09 AM
Is giving a black guy the middle finger considered RUDE in France? ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zre20p2L8Gc

ps. I love Jimmy Connors.

:haha:

Metis
10-17-2006, 03:38 AM
According to Wikipedia, Ginepri may have been taunting Lopez with the message that his wife is cheating on him :scratch:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil_horns

:haha:

Poor Robby. The crowd thought he was calling them cuckolds. (Or maybe he knew what he was doing :devil: ) Anyone knows if the incident was discussed during the press conference?

bad gambler
10-17-2006, 03:46 AM
Solid win by Ginepri

Action Jackson
10-17-2006, 03:50 AM
Hahahahaha, thanks for the entertainment.

Yappa
10-17-2006, 03:53 AM
:haha:

Poor Robby. The crowd thought he was calling them cuckolds. (Or maybe he knew what he was doing :devil: ) Anyone knows if the incident was discussed during the press conference?

Where is the interviews section anyways? Every Masters Series event has one, I think.

Neumann
10-17-2006, 03:53 AM
The sign, showing the back of your hand, originally meant what the omniscient Wikipedia says, but now is considered more or less like f*** you or giving the finger. Not used very often nowadays.

Showing the front :rocker: is used for rock concerts and being cool :cool: he, he.

I don't know what happened with the crowd, but it seems they should learn how to behave.

Pfloyd
10-17-2006, 03:59 AM
They better behave properly when Roger plays.

They better NOT.

;)

Metis
10-17-2006, 04:01 AM
Where is the interviews section anyways? Every Masters Series event has one, I think.
The interviews are in the "News and Images" section under "press conferences". They don't have Ginepri or Lopez though.

RickDaStick
10-17-2006, 04:03 AM
Ginepri = Tool

Yappa
10-17-2006, 04:04 AM
The interviews are in the "News and Images" section under "press conferences". They don't have Ginepri or Lopez though.

thx. :)

16681
10-17-2006, 04:06 AM
The "home crowd" backs the "home player" that's the way it goes.

hanabishi
10-17-2006, 06:45 AM
I only caught the 3rd set, but it was indeed very, very strange.

I think the person most to blame during that 5th game of the 3rd set was the umpire. He clearly let the situation get out of hand. He failed to control the crowd, and he was indecisive with some of the calls.

sanpo
10-17-2006, 06:52 AM
Ginepri didnt look impressed. He served "into the booing". :D
In the rallys the crowd booed when he hit the ball, while they cheered when the Spaniard hit it.

Which I thought was smart, since he didn't give what the Spanish crowd wanted (disruption of play). :yeah:

And pathetic for umpire since he didn't really do anything, and also to Lopez. Lopez could have gestured for the crowd to calm down, as much as how Grosjean did (even how late it seemed to be) when the french crowd booed Nadal.

But we entered Madrid knowing the "tasteful" crowd, so what's there to be disappointed about? :p :angel:

TULY
10-17-2006, 07:02 AM
I didn't find the crowd rude
Ginepri is an asshole
that's all

supersexynadal
10-17-2006, 07:09 AM
Ginepris a real man for whathe did

Deivid23
10-17-2006, 07:09 AM
LaLo = Useless prick

Ginepri = Prick but plays tennis

Graff = :retard:

Nice show, thanks

bokehlicious
10-17-2006, 09:22 AM
They better behave properly when Roger plays.

They won't, but Roger won't be bothered by some brainless morons, he's used to that :)

Neely
10-17-2006, 01:46 PM
Post #108 is right about the other gesture. It can be taken differently in some other countries.

The sign of post #91 is the "okay" sign for divers, if he did it with his index finger and thumb. Because this looks like an "O" which looks similiar to a "0"(zero), this can mean in other countries like "you have no value", "you suck" or such things.

I'm sure the match was great entertainment though! :lol: :yeah:

But in a perfect world the crowd should not hold such a little error of a foreigner against him like that for such a long time and use a bit of common sense that they themselves could fall into the most bizarre and strange traps when visiting other cultures or countries with different customs, too. :)

alfonsojose
10-17-2006, 01:59 PM
Que tienen que ver los Estados Unidos con este? Usted ha perdido la credibilidad en mis ojos. No tengo que ser de espana para reconocer la actitud terrible de la muchedumbre de hoy. Y aviso, no ataco Madrid o espanoles. Hablo de una muchedumbre especifica. Mire usted, solo cerrado. Si la muchedumbre actua como este hacia Roger, entonces tomare el tiempo para ser realmente una perra. Pero por el momento, soy terminado con este sujeto. La muchedumbre no era agradable hoy. Esto es mi opinión.
:haha: :D
perra = whore
harpia, bruja = bitch
Solo cerrado = Only closed :confused:
'm done with this guy = acabe con este sujeto.

The rest is quite good :yeah: :hug:

And that sign means "cachon(a)" in Colombia. (Cachon(a) = a person who is being cheated by his/her partner). You don't show that to a crowd :rolleyes: :scared:

Castafiore
10-17-2006, 02:16 PM
But in a perfect world the crowd should not hold such a little error of a foreigner against him like that for such a long time and use a bit of common sense that they themselves could fall into the most bizarre and strange traps when visiting other cultures or countries with different customs, too.
True but you could also turn this around. If we're really speaking of a perfect world, than the foreigner would know how to use hand signals in every corner of the world or at least those parts of the world he travels to. Right?

It reminds me of the books by Desmond Morris on human gestures and the significance in various parts of the world. It did have the message that you should be careful with hand signals if you travel.

For example, the thumbs up is a good signal in most parts of the world, right?
In much of the world today, the thumbs up means, "O.K.", "Right On!", or "I like this movie, Gene... uh... Gene?" But in Iran, Afghanistan, Nigeria and parts of Italy and Greece it is an obscene insult, especially when combined with a sweep of the arms. It most places it roughly means, "Sit on my phallus, asshole," and carries the same stigmatism as the middle finger. In southern Sardinia, where this gestures is noted for being particularly obscene, a hitchhiker would be well advised not to wave his thumb in the air expecting a car to pick him up, or he may find himself under the wheels of a large truck.
http://www.ooze.com/finger/html/foriegn.html

Sunset of Age
10-17-2006, 02:34 PM
Showing the front :rocker: is used for rock concerts and being cool :cool: he, he.


Me being an avid metalhead myself, I can only confirm this.
There's no bigger compliment for a band when you have some 30,000 people in front of you making EXACTLY this gesture! :rocker: :rocker: :rocker:

Vamos, Robby... :worship:

Metis
10-17-2006, 02:34 PM
For example, the thumbs up is a good signal in most parts of the world, right?

http://www.ooze.com/finger/html/foriegn.html
:lol: at the website. That guy is hilarious.
This is the first time I've heard that the thumbs up sign can be offensive in parts of Greece though. :confused:

Fumus
10-17-2006, 02:36 PM
Vamos Robby!

alfonsojose
10-17-2006, 02:38 PM
Ginepris a real man for whathe did

He's a real macho :lick:

Neely
10-17-2006, 02:42 PM
True but you could also turn this around. If we're really speaking of a perfect world, than the foreigner would know how to use hand signals in every corner of the world or at least those parts of the world he travels to. Right?
Yes true, of course. For sure the person who travels to a foreign country also should pay attention to what he's doing there or be informed about that, at least I would try my best when going somewhere else to avoid such things. Maybe I was just speaking too much from my own perspective ( :angel: ) because I usually first give the benefit of doubt to foreigners, guests from other countries, tourists or exchange students and don't hold every little error immediately against them to make them dislikable for me if they're smoking in areas where they are not allowed to, if they exit suburbain trains on the wrong side, if they're talking in sections of the library where they are supposed to be quiet or don't know other (informal) rules or customarinesses.

supersexynadal
10-17-2006, 02:45 PM
we talk about hoe bad his mentality is but saving 2 reak points in an atmosphere like that is just...:aparty: :aparty:

Its the inconsistency of lopez thats just CRAZY!! How can u be sooooo inconsistent???:confused: Cant believe the amount of break points he wasted and how he didnt use his momentum to win the match

alfonsojose
10-17-2006, 02:49 PM
BTW, Feli looked pale. Was that make-up :eek: ?

User id 7816
10-17-2006, 02:51 PM
so :rocker2: is an offensive gesture in Spain?
or, did the crowd react so harsh because Ginepri dared to make any gesture at all? and why did he really do it (I missed it)? I thought he was only adjusting the score with the umpire - then there were some whistles from people who must have thought he was actually arguing the hawk eye call - but there wasnt exactly need for Ginepri to respond like that, nor there was for the crowd..

alfonsojose
10-17-2006, 02:58 PM
According to Wikipedia, Ginepri may have been taunting Lopez with the message that his wife is cheating on him :scratch:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil_horns

Yes. "Cachones" :rocker2: :tape:

supersexynadal
10-17-2006, 03:09 PM
so :rocker2: is an offensive gesture in Spain?
or, did the crowd react so harsh because Ginepri dared to make any gesture at all? and why did he really do it (I missed it)? I thought he was only adjusting the score with the umpire - then there were some whistles from people who must have thought he was actually arguing the hawk eye call - but there wasnt exactly need for Ginepri to respond like that, nor there was for the crowd..
I didnt know it was offensive in spain but it id here and egypt a mediterranean country. its not exatly rude, its just vulgur but heres stil nothing wrong with it. I still dont know how he got through the match like that!

BTW, Feli looked pale. Was that make-up

nah, I think its just the artificial light in the arena. He straightens his hair tight?? Its usually curlier like nadals

smucav
10-17-2006, 05:22 PM
Tommy Robredo weighs in:

http://tennis-masters-madrid.com/eng/news/NewsDetail_554.htm
Q. Tommy, Ginepri or Ancic, have you seen Ginepri's match against Feliciano the other night? Yeah, that thing he did with his hand to the crowd?

TOMMY ROBREDO: Yeah, he did that. Then he can win. To be honest, then I'd like Ginepri to win. That way I have one rival less for Shanghai. Because if someone here has a chance to be closer to me, like Ginepri, for instance, to win; if he's better than Ginepri, I'll win. If he's better than me, he will win. It's far more comfortable to play against Ginepri than against Ancic. If he did this with his hand, well, I guess the crowd will support me instead of him.

mallorn
10-17-2006, 05:56 PM
I haven't seen the match, but I can easily imagine that the crowd overreacted. I agree though that a player who travels a lot should be aware that gestures mean different things in different cultures and can enrage a crowd that cheers for the home favourite. :shrug:
According to Wikipedia, Ginepri may have been taunting Lopez with the message that his wife is cheating on him :scratch:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil_horns
Not only that. A Barcelona resident wrote this on another board:
OMG !
Any lifted finger is bad enough, two like that could mean 'cornudo' (your partner's been unfaithful), but I think the problem is that the sign he made is close as near it to Barcelona player Ronaldinho's special sign after scoring goals! And Ginepri made it in MADRID!! :eek: :lol:

Neverstopfightin
10-17-2006, 06:07 PM
It isn't my intention to keep debating on this issue but I just wanted to clarify one thing since I see a lot of people wondering if that sign is offensive in Spain.

That sign isn't offensive per se , I mean you can make it in several situations and nobody is gonna feel offended but in the case of yesterday match the crowd ( and the 99% of spaniards who were watching TV ) interpreted Ginepri's sign as a way of mocking the crowd and therefore a provocation to respond to crowd's whistles and some boobs while he was talking to the umpire.

Ronaldinho makes that sign very often and a lot of kids imitate him and there is nothing wrong with the sign .

The problem was the context/situation

Neverstopfightin
10-17-2006, 06:15 PM
OMG !
Any lifted finger is bad enough, two like that could mean 'cornudo' (your partner's been unfaithful), but I think the problem is that the sign he made is close as near it to Barcelona player Ronaldinho's special sign after scoring goals! And Ginepri made it in MADRID!!:eek: :lol:

The part on "cornudo " is true but the mention to Ronaldinho and Real Madrid is just a bad joke

mallorn
10-17-2006, 06:21 PM
The part on "cornudo " is true but the mention to Ronaldinho and Real Madrid is just a bad joke
I don't understand what you mean.

Deboogle!.
10-17-2006, 06:33 PM
okay so they're showing the 3rd set of this match right now so I got to see it all for myself. I have never seen anything like that and I think the biggest embarrassment of it all was Graf, who was absolutely unable to control the crowd and didn't have the balls to take control of the situation.

tangerine_dream
10-17-2006, 06:37 PM
okay so they're showing the 3rd set of this match right now so I got to see it all for myself. I have never seen anything like that and I think the biggest embarrassment of it all was Graf, who was absolutely unable to control the crowd and didn't have the balls to take control of the situation.
No wonder Andy's always chewing him out. :lol:

I have to admire Robby for continuing to play while the crowd booed, which can't be easy to do.

dkw
10-17-2006, 06:51 PM
LOL! You can't take these Americans anywhere :)

scoobs
10-17-2006, 07:24 PM
I didn't think Ginepri did anything wrong, certainly not intentionally.

The way I saw it the crowd were leaping at the chance to get on his back. Lopez was down in the third set and he gave them an excuse to get on his case and try and help their man back into the match. They did so with more gusto than I've ever seen at a tour event, but Ginepri responded perfectly - he big fat won the match anyway.

mangoes
10-17-2006, 07:41 PM
okay so they're showing the 3rd set of this match right now so I got to see it all for myself. I have never seen anything like that and I think the biggest embarrassment of it all was Graf, who was absolutely unable to control the crowd and didn't have the balls to take control of the situation.

I didn't think Ginepri did anything wrong, certainly not intentionally.

The way I saw it the crowd were leaping at the chance to get on his back. Lopez was down in the third set and he gave them an excuse to get on his case and try and help their man back into the match. They did so with more gusto than I've ever seen at a tour event, but Ginepri responded perfectly - he big fat won the match anyway.

Now, now, Deb and Scoobsuk, have you seen enough matches in your life to make such an assertion??? I'm just beating Neverstopwhining to the punch line and asking first :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I really had to admire Ginepri's focus at that point in the match. He even tried to laugh it off. Many other players would have been intimidated.

Deboogle!.
10-17-2006, 07:43 PM
Now, now, Deb and Scoobsuk, have you seen enough matches in your life to make such an assertion??? I'm just beating Neverstopwhining to the punch line and asking first :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:I think I have :lol: for me the difference wasn't the crowd but the fact that Graf did nothing to stop play to help it. Grosjean/Nadal was bad, but the play largely stopped during the crowd's tirade. That point Robby lost when the crowd screeched at his every swing should've been called a let, and the commentators were in complete shock about it. So I don't know if I blame the crowd moreso than any other obnoxious crowd, I just think Graf did nothing to rectify the situation and the commentators even mentioned this today before Andy's match started (which Graf also officiated)

mangoes
10-17-2006, 07:45 PM
I think I have :lol: for me the difference wasn't the crowd but the fact that Graf did nothing to stop play to help it. Grosjean/Nadal was bad, but the play largely stopped during the crowd's tirade. That point Robby lost when the crowd screeched at his every swing should've been called a let, and the commentators were in complete shock about it. So I don't know if I blame the crowd moreso than any other obnoxious crowd, I just think Graf did nothing to rectify the situation and the commentators even mentioned this today before Andy's match started (which Graf also officiated)


During that point, I couldn't believe that Lars didn't stop play. I said it yesterday, and I'll say it today, Lars acted like an idiot yesterday. Of all the referees, I would have put money on Lars being the first to put a stop to such a situation. He seemed afraid to rile the crowd even more :shrug:

alfonsojose
10-17-2006, 08:08 PM
Graf?. WTF is wrong with Steffi :mad: ?

Deboogle!.
10-17-2006, 08:09 PM
Graf?. WTF is wrong with Steffi :mad: ?:lol: Lars Graf the ump, silly alfonso :lol:

Neverstopfightin
10-17-2006, 08:26 PM
Now, now, Deb and Scoobsuk, have you seen enough matches in your life to make such an assertion??? I'm just beating Neverstopwhining to the punch line and asking first :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

If you need to write that message and play with my nickname to laugh at me you only show once again how asshole you have always been at MTF ( the same asshole that a year ago when you were about to make FlashDeb leave MTF after you behaved with her like the idiot you are )

Nothing has changed from yesterday , you don't have a clue about tennis and I doubt you have seen a lot of tennis in your life , and it's obvious your lack of manners , something very different from two persons that I respect , who are Debstah and Scoobsuk.

Sorry but you will have to wait a bit to bad rep me for third time :hug:

nobama
10-17-2006, 08:34 PM
If I was Ginepri I would have stopped playing. I would have gone over to the sidelines and sat down until Lars got the crowd under control. I'm sure it would've riled the crowd up even more, but you shouldn't have to play points under those conditions. This isn't frickin' Davis Cup. :o

Deboogle!.
10-17-2006, 09:00 PM
...( the same asshole that a year ago when you were about to make FlashDeb leave MTF after you behaved with her like the idiot you are )...Well, I appreciate your vote of respect and I have no problems with you whatosever :) But I don't know what you're talking about here, and I would appreciate being left out of whatever your problems with mangoes are :)If I was Ginepri I would have stopped playing. I would have gone over to the sidelines and sat down until Lars got the crowd under control. I'm sure it would've riled the crowd up even more, but you shouldn't have to play points under those conditions. This isn't frickin' Davis Cup. :oWell I agree, but like you said it probably would have just ticked the crowd off even more... Or maybe that wasn't possible ;). Ginepri laughed about it at one point, so maybe it didn't bother him as much as it bothered us? hahaa

Sjengster
10-17-2006, 09:05 PM
I was amazed he managed to keep playing throughout that point and not stop to complain to the umpire, which would have incited further booing of course. Graf was completely hopeless, though - the first time there was a successful challenge earlier on in the set on Ginepri's winning serve at 40-30, he called the score as deuce until Ginepri reminded him it had been a first serve miss, not a second. I particularly like the casual way he says, almost as if chatting to a friend, "Lopez likes to challenge the call on the right sideline... Yeah really, he does!" And that final "Gracias" he announced to the crowd seemed to amuse them mightily, as token a gesture as it was.

alfonsojose
10-17-2006, 09:06 PM
:lol: Lars Graf the ump, silly alfonso :lol:
:p

mangoes
10-17-2006, 09:40 PM
If you need to write that message and play with my nickname to laugh at me you only show once again how asshole you have always been at MTF ( the same asshole that a year ago when you were about to make FlashDeb leave MTF after you behaved with her like the idiot you are )

Nothing has changed from yesterday , you don't have a clue about tennis and I doubt you have seen a lot of tennis in your life , and it's obvious your lack of manners , something very different from two persons that I respect , who are Debstah and Scoobsuk.

Sorry but you will have to wait a bit to bad rep me for third time :hug:

:haha: :haha: :haha: I suppose I need to be offended......ok, hold on.......no........no.....still not offended:shrug: And, I'm not even going to put you on my ignore list because you really do entertain me;) In case I forget, feel free to remind me to bad rep you next week, it'll be my pleasure:hug:

Johnny Groove
10-17-2006, 09:43 PM
:haha: :haha: :haha: I suppose I need to be offended......ok, hold on.......no........no.....still not offended:shrug: And, I'm not even going to put you on my ignore list because you really do entertain me;) In case I forget, feel free to remind me to bad rep you next week, it'll be my pleasure:hug:

O no! NSF is gonna put you on his ignore list! You just gonna take that? :awww: :hug:

you two should :boxing:

mangoes
10-17-2006, 09:46 PM
O no! NSF is gonna put you on his ignore list! You just gonna take that? :awww: :hug:

you two should :boxing:

:haha: :haha: :haha:

Neverstopfightin
10-17-2006, 09:54 PM
:haha: :haha: :haha: I suppose I need to be offended......ok, hold on.......no........no.....still not offended:shrug: And, I'm not even going to put you on my ignore list because you really do entertain me;) In case I forget, feel free to remind me to bad rep you next week, it'll be my pleasure:hug:

:spit:

You have bad repped me two times after feeling offended by two unimportant and ridicolous things and you now you are acting like a tough woman :haha: . Are you serious ?? :retard:


Get a life and don't forget to watch more tennis :wavey:

Johnny Groove
10-17-2006, 09:55 PM
:spit:

You have bad repped me two times after feeling offended by two unimportant and ridicolous things and you now you are acting like a tough woman :haha: . Are you serious ?? :retard:


Get a life and don't forget to watch more tennis :wavey:

are you kidding me? mangoes is a straight G :armed: :p

mangoes
10-17-2006, 10:34 PM
:spit:

You have bad repped me two times after feeling offended by two unimportant and ridicolous things and you now you are acting like a tough woman :haha: . Are you serious ?? :retard:


Get a life and don't forget to watch more tennis :wavey:

Tough :confused: Were you trying to scare me?? I don't see the need to "act tough" and this crap from you is getting old. By the number of times you have told everyone in this thread that I've bad repped you twice, I'm sure everyone has made a note of it. But, say it one more time if it floats your boat. And, quite frankly, I don't have the time to watch more tennis so that I can see more crowds act silly toward players. I'll take your word for it......Madrid's reaction to Ginepri was quite commonplace. Better?? ..........and on that note, I'm done with this nonsense with you. Feel free to offer me another insult and then move on.......but, as you reply to me, feel free to tell me what your old MTF name was....I think I know what it was, but I'd like to know if I'm correct.............oh, and for the heck of it, "I plead guilty to bad repping NEVERSTOPWHINING two times".

Pepper LaRue
10-17-2006, 10:38 PM
Wow you guys are *still* discussing this? Well, give peace a chance homies. LOL!

Hope my new avatar isn't too offensive. :rocker:

MariaV
10-17-2006, 10:40 PM
:lol: Lars Graf the ump, silly alfonso :lol:

I don't wanna play any police here but his name is Lars Graff. :)

Metis
10-17-2006, 11:02 PM
Hope my new avatar isn't too offensive. :rocker:
Your avatar reminds me of a Sphynx cat :D


http://www.vandebald.co.za/Sphynx_photos/sphynx_m.jpg

http://www.vandebald.co.za/Sphynx_photos/sphynx_vv.jpg

Pepper LaRue
10-17-2006, 11:11 PM
Your avatar reminds me of a Sphynx cat

Aww! I love cats! I have three Maine Coons.

DrJules
10-17-2006, 11:20 PM
If you need to write that message and play with my nickname to laugh at me you only show once again how asshole you have always been at MTF ( the same asshole that a year ago when you were about to make FlashDeb leave MTF after you behaved with her like the idiot you are )

Nothing has changed from yesterday , you don't have a clue about tennis and I doubt you have seen a lot of tennis in your life , and it's obvious your lack of manners , something very different from two persons that I respect , who are Debstah and Scoobsuk.

Sorry but you will have to wait a bit to bad rep me for third time :hug:

This post by Neverstopfightin seems to be excessively nasty about Mangoes. Does it breach the code of conduct against other poster? Are you allowed to call other posters asshole's.